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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here. My name is Garrison Davis.

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Speaker 2: I am joined by James Stout and Nia Wong to

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Speaker 2: talk about some of our favorite people to hate, the

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Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation. Hello everybody, Hi Garrison.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Oh god, I got brought in talk the Heritage Foundation.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, what a week? What a week? So I mean,

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Speaker 2: people have been talking a lot about the Heritage Foundation's

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Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five because it is a massive, massive

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Speaker 2: document that is honestly too long to actually read, but

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Speaker 2: it does. It does focus on LGBTQ issues for a

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Speaker 2: decent a decent chunk of the book, mainly finding different

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Speaker 2: ways to both legalize and protect discrimination against LGBTQ people

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Speaker 2: and like banning the public presence of LGBTQ materials deemed

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Speaker 2: deemed pornographic in public life, especially a schools, libraries, all

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Right, It's kind of this nationwide

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Speaker 2: don't say gay bill type thing, along with legalizing it

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Speaker 2: and protecting people's people's right to discriminate against for people.

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of the bulk of the of the

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Speaker 2: of the tactics that are laid out in the Heritage

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Speaker 2: Foundation's Project twenty twenty five. But Trump and a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of Republicans have been doing a lot of work

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Speaker 2: to distance themselves from this document. At the RNC, I

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Speaker 2: was kind of surprised that, like, I did not hear

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Speaker 2: a single, a single mention of Project twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: unless I was the one to bring it up when

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Speaker 2: talking with people. They didn't. They didn't like talking about

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Speaker 2: it because they know it's kind of this, like this

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Speaker 2: toxic thing.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: They kind of showed their power level to use an

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Speaker 2: ancient phrase.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who could possibly have guessed for the document where

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Speaker 3: they talk about bringing back the gold standard was going

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Speaker 3: to be unpopular with literally everyone, including their own base.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I don't think that's the reason why

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Speaker 2: it's unpopular. I think it's all of like the dictator

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Speaker 2: fascism stuff. But the gold standard bit's pretty funny. Even

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Speaker 2: at the Heritage Foundation booth, not a peep about Project

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. It's like the biggest thing they've done

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Speaker 2: in like the in the last decade. Arguably, not a

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Speaker 2: single peep. But they did have a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: other like merch, a whole bunch of little pamphlets. Papers.

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Speaker 2: I love papers, I love little documents.

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Speaker 4: Little ephemera, printed epemera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love collecting all this little stuff. And it

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Speaker 2: just sits on a pile on my desk for like,

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Speaker 2: way too long. And in this case, it's set on

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Speaker 2: a pile on my desk for about two months and

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Speaker 2: the pile became too big and too unruly. And now

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Speaker 2: we're going to actually go through the pile of stuff,

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Speaker 2: right and talk about the types of things that the

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Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation actually did have out on their table, specifically

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Speaker 2: relating to gender identity. Oh good, which is their term

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Speaker 2: of choice for these issues. Now, Like gender identity quote

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Speaker 2: unquote transgender ism were were frequent talking points at the

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Speaker 2: Republican National Convention, way more so than the Democratic National Convention,

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Speaker 2: in which they were kind of just brushed aside as

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Speaker 2: a political inconvenience. But at the R and C these

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Speaker 2: things were front and center. Almost every single person giving

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Speaker 2: gender ideology in some way to receive thunderous applause from

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Speaker 2: the crowd. So it certainly was a very common topic

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Speaker 2: brought up. And here's what the actual literature that was

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Speaker 2: proliferating at the event had to say about it. So

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Speaker 2: let's start. Let's start penphlet number one, how to speak

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Speaker 2: up about gender identity, Questions and answers driving the debate,

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Speaker 2: so it's a debate. Is the first thing we want?

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Speaker 2: We need to know about gender identity? Again, I'm not

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Speaker 2: just reading out all of their propaganda. I think there

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Speaker 2: is some use in actually learning what they're saying in

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Speaker 2: like their biggest convention and then actually not like debunking

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Speaker 2: because like, come on, I know who are audiences, but

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Speaker 2: at least actually laying out what they're saying and how

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Speaker 2: it relates to like the actual information I think does

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Speaker 2: does have sub use. So will I will be quoting

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Speaker 2: from the Heritage Foundation saying some pretty stupid things, but

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Speaker 2: then we will kind of springboard discussion, and I do

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Speaker 2: these very common lies that you're now seeing like get

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Speaker 2: into thinking that they are real. So we're going to

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Speaker 2: tackle the quote unquote the big questions, what are sex,

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Speaker 2: gender and gender identity. I'm sure this five page pamphlet

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Speaker 2: topics of what our sex gender, gender identity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't wait to learn.

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Speaker 2: They figured it out. They figured it out, there's this

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Speaker 2: Centuries long discussions have been resolved. What do gender dyspory

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Speaker 2: and transgender mean? And how do gender identity policies affect

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Speaker 2: me and my community? I think this is largely targeted

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Speaker 2: towards like I mean, it's turned towards people at the RNC,

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Speaker 2: so like people in like their sixties, like grandparents.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is this so how to talk to your friend

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Speaker 4: about the transgenders book? Kind of?

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Speaker 2: Kind of it's more so like, oh, no, your grandkids

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Speaker 2: are maybe a little gay with it?

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Speaker 4: Grandchild?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? What does that mean? What is that about? I

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Speaker 2: think that's kind of what the main the main demographic is. Okay, anyway,

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Speaker 2: here we go. The common understanding that there are only

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Speaker 2: two sexes and human beings male and female, determined by

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Speaker 2: each person's biology, has been the cultural norm and the

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Speaker 2: basis for our laws since our nation's founding. Though, has it?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to do this because I will take

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Speaker 4: fucking an hour, but this isn't true.

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Speaker 2: It will? I know. Obviously they're not going to mention

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Speaker 2: intersex people. They're not going to mention any any of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or that like every indigenous culture has multiple gender words.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, no, no, we'll just leave that out because

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Speaker 2: only recently have we seen a shift away from this

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Speaker 2: objective and scientific no citation understanding towards an ideology that

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Speaker 2: says a person's gender is determined by what they believe

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Speaker 2: they are parenthesis gender identity rather than their biological sex,

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Speaker 2: and should be legally recognized. The transgender movement has rapidly

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Speaker 2: advanced laws and policies that give special rights and protections

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Speaker 2: to some people while infringing on the rights of others. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is a talking point that was brought up a

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Speaker 2: lot when I was a kid around trans people. How

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Speaker 2: they have special laws that give them more rights than

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Speaker 2: your average person. And that's why, like a good like

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Speaker 2: conservative basis should be opposed to them, even if you're like,

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Speaker 2: you know, an accepting you may not like agree with them,

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Speaker 2: but you're not going to kill them, but they shouldn't

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Speaker 2: have like extra rights. That was a big thing is framing,

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Speaker 2: Framing things that either protect trans people from discrimination or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like a huge thing with just the

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Speaker 3: basis of all political conservatism is they all believe that,

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Speaker 3: like like, they all believe that immigrants have like a

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Speaker 3: like black people have like welfare, and that like indigenous

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Speaker 3: people get into schools for free.

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Speaker 2: And it's just like yep, No, it's all based on

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Speaker 2: never talking to anyone who isn't like you. Yeah, in

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Speaker 2: addressing the conflicts that emerge. In addressing the conflicts that emerge,

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Speaker 2: what are you talking about? The government must protect everyone's

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Speaker 2: rights and fundamental freedoms. The introduction of the concept of

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Speaker 2: gender identity into recent legislation raises concerns about privacy, safety, fairness, liberty,

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Speaker 2: and its impact on children. It threatens the freedom of

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Speaker 2: religion and conscience. What the freedom of conscience?

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Speaker 4: What is mean?

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Speaker 2: Because it's not just a religious objection. My conscience tells

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Speaker 3: Tells me I should have this person's house. Is that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, my gons just tells me a whole lot

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Speaker 2: Is that what they mean? I think they are legitimately

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Speaker 2: scared of that. Yeah, okay, but it also threatens freedom

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Speaker 2: of speech, equal protection, and parental rights. This radical redefinition

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Speaker 2: for some, particularly women and girls. Okay, all right, so

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Speaker 2: there we go. There that's that's that is. That is

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Speaker 2: the introduction. Now onto page two. All individuals have human

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Speaker 2: those who identify as transgender and know they're very careful

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Speaker 2: people who identify transgender, and there's there's transgender activists and

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Speaker 2: doing this, right, increates this degree of separation. That's one

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Speaker 2: kind of a little rhetorical tactic that I noticed when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's this also kind of a legacy

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Speaker 2: I don't mean this to take people then say like

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Speaker 2: coming to rape your dog or something. Yeah, yeah, anyway.

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Speaker 2: But by labeling realistic concerns and scientific objections as oppressive,

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Speaker 2: transgender activists have shut down open, robust dialogue over the

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Speaker 2: consequences of gender ideology and gender identity policies. The serious

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Speaker 2: real world effects of gender identity policies on individuals and

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Speaker 2: at an increasing rate ever since Matt Walsh's documentary. This

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Speaker 2: invent specifically that like quote unquote like puberty blockers cause

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Speaker 2: like sterilization and like, yeah, you can't reproduce when you're

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Speaker 2: on them, obviously, but you can when you go off them.

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Speaker 2: But that's something that like they never talk about. They

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Speaker 2: frame it as like this permanent thing. Samantha Rosenthal has

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Speaker 2: like the very long history of trans healthcare in the

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Speaker 2: and hormone therapy has been used to assist cisgender children

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Speaker 2: for children back in nineteen ninety three. We've been using

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Speaker 2: these for quite a long time, and these false claims

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Speaker 2: are actually causing some like significant harm. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: quote from ABC News here. Quote. England's National Health Service

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Speaker 2: with eligibility criteria yet to be decided unquote. So they

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Speaker 2: are just like starting to ban these. And of course

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Speaker 2: a really a really big organization that's only banning it

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Speaker 3: literally every day, Like come on, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 2: But I find it interesting that they take this line

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Speaker 2: of approach.

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Speaker 3: I will say, this pamphlet feels like a much more

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Speaker 3: sort of moderate So this feels like a gateway thing

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Speaker 3: versus like the stuff that they're so that they actually believe,

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Speaker 3: or like the sort of like more hardcore stuff that

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Speaker 3: they they distribute.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure how to how to segue to

444
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Speaker 2: an ad break from this one. I'll be honest, you know,

445
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: what else the Heritage Foundation supports. Oh well, that is

446
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: true capitalism and these ads that help fuel the turning

447
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: machine of death and suffering. Haha, Okay, we are back.

448
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about fairness. Gener Entity creates an unfairness when

449
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Speaker 2: biological males. Biological males compete against females in sports and

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Speaker 2: other activities. It also reduces girdle chances of winning athletic scholarships.

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Speaker 4: The idea fucking title nine defense every.

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Speaker 2: Time scholar I'm sure all those trends girls are taken

453
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Speaker 2: of all the scholarships.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's just let's just see where the Heritage Foundation

455
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Speaker 4: stood on fucking title nine, shall we when that came in.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they were totally supportive. Already, several high school

457
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Speaker 2: girls have lost state championships. Is to quote boys who

458
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Speaker 2: were allowed to compete against them. These two boys have

459
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: won fifteen girls state championships that were held by ten

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Speaker 2: females in the previous year. I tried to search some

461
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Speaker 2: of these keywords to find exactly what they were talking about.

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Speaker 2: The first result was from the reputable news publication the

463
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Speaker 2: Daily Signal, which is a Heritage Foundation puppet site, and

464
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Speaker 2: the article is just listing like a handful of like

465
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Speaker 2: trans girls across the country who participated in school sports.

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Speaker 2: And that's like, that's like all it is. And then

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Speaker 2: of particular interest to James this next sentence, Oh, god,

468
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Speaker 2: fucking man who identifies this some transgender? Well that's that's

469
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Speaker 2: an interesting one. A man who identifies as a transgender

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Speaker 2: has also won the women's cycling World's title.

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Speaker 4: I know who they're talking about here. This is someone

472
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Speaker 4: called for Runica Ivy. She was formerly known as Raychel

473
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Speaker 4: mccannon when she won the world title. Okay, she won

474
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Speaker 4: a UCI Women's Master's Track World Championship. If you want

475
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Speaker 4: to find an event where gender affirming hormones are used

476
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Speaker 4: on a regular basis, I suggest you check out the

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Speaker 4: Men's Masters World Championship because every fucking year one of

478
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Speaker 4: those dudes gets popped for using testosterone. And like, I

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00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: don't see that in the Heritage Foundation's complaints, Like this

480
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Speaker 4: is just asshole, really, they've she has been a particular

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Speaker 4: target for these people. Cycling has been a particular target

482
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Speaker 4: for these people for a very long time, and it's

483
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Speaker 4: very funny that they continue to like put out this

484
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Speaker 4: propaganda which completely misunderstands, like the things that let you

485
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Speaker 4: win the Master's track World Championship are having money and

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Speaker 4: having time, Like it is inherently unfair. It's it's a

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Speaker 4: hobby sport, right, thirty five to forty four. There are

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Speaker 4: not professional athletes in that age group, like the people

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Speaker 4: doing this. So the people who have the time and

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Speaker 4: the money, they buy the fancy bikes, they travel to

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Speaker 4: the race. It's if you care, If you care about

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Speaker 4: fairness in master's cycling, there are a million other places

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Speaker 4: to go after it.

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Speaker 2: This is bullshit. Well it's so it's so transparent because

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Speaker 2: now the biggest trans sports controversy has been over a

496
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Speaker 2: cist gender woman who just is appearing too masculine, right

497
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Speaker 2: like, like the biggest thing, the biggest controversy in this whole

498
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Speaker 2: trans women and sports thing at the Olympics ear earlier

499
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Speaker 2: this year is just actually a cist gender woman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's the whole thing, right Like, policing the

501
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Speaker 4: way people present their gender is what this is about

502
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Speaker 4: for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're willing to throw anyone under the bus

504
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Speaker 2: as long as it like puts forward like whatever disinformation

505
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Speaker 2: they want with the soul purpose of just changing public opinion,

506
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Speaker 2: not actually like caring about any of the people involved here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but like a return to like I don't even

508
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Speaker 4: think traditional gender roles, but like, let's just say nineteen

509
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Speaker 4: thirties gender roles, not even nineteen thirties, right, women fighting

510
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Speaker 4: in the spanishl War in the nineteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: It's Victorian England gender rules.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, Like it is what they want, and like

513
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Speaker 4: they're not throwing imonically funded a bus so much. She

514
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Speaker 4: is part of a target because she's not a girly

515
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Speaker 4: enough girl, right, she's a woman who punches other people

516
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Speaker 4: in the face, and like that's not collateral damage to me.

517
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Speaker 4: Like that is part of their thing, right, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: not coincidental, but it was a boxer.

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Speaker 2: It's part of their larger political project. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously it's also their conception of womanhood is

521
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: also highly racialized, yes, obvious reasons.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not coincidental there's an African woman, right.

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Speaker 2: No, many of the trans girls who are listed in

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Speaker 2: the Daily Signal article or transgirls of color that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is who they're going after. They're going after like

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Speaker 2: the most oppressed person and you can be in the country. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now onto onto one of our final chapters how transgenderism

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Speaker 2: affects your personal liberty transgenderism. That's a good one. Trans

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Speaker 2: Gender policies also violate our freedom of speech and freedom

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Speaker 2: of conscience by forcing people to speak or act in

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Speaker 2: ways contrary to their personal judgment and deeply held beliefs.

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Speaker 2: In New York City, you can be fined up to

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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for misgendering. What's the

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Speaker 2: citation that they do have a citation? Okay, hit me,

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Speaker 2: they do, go to the NYC Commission, and this isn't true.

536
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Speaker 2: Despite the citation, they're trying to take like a city

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Speaker 2: ordinance and twist it to make it sound like you

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Speaker 2: will be fined a quarter of a million dollars for

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Speaker 2: calling someone the wrong pronouns. And that's not what the

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Speaker 2: audience is. Yeah, it's employment law, right correct. It was

541
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Speaker 2: first written in the early two thousands. It was then

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Speaker 2: revised in twenty fifteen. I'm going to quote from Snopes

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Speaker 2: quote discrimination it gets a transgender individual could resultant finds

544
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Speaker 2: to up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But

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Speaker 2: these fines won't be handed out for accidentally misusing pronouns.

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Speaker 2: According to the new guidelines, the Commission can impose civil

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Speaker 2: penalties up to one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: for violations of the law, and extreme circumstances two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty thousand for violations that are the result of wilful,

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Speaker 2: wanton and malicious conduct. Yeah, this is for like employment discrimination.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, employment discrimination happens literally all the time, and it

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Speaker 3: never there's almost ever conspluses for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's where this number comes from, right.

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Speaker 4: And it's completely misleading to suggest it like the work

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Speaker 4: police to get to find you.

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Speaker 2: Correct, And it's not for misusing pronouns. It's for like

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Speaker 2: extreme cases of like continuous harassment or like like like

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Speaker 2: legal discrimination. The next sentence is, quote, both a high

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Speaker 2: school teacher and a college professor have been sanctioned by

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Speaker 2: their employers for using biologically correct terms with their students.

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Speaker 4: Se Jordan Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Now, obviously those terms are not biologically correct because you

563
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Speaker 2: can scientifically change your biological sex. And what they're talking

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Speaker 2: about here is no just teachers who are just like

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Speaker 2: harassing their students, who are like calling them by like

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Speaker 2: the wrong name, calling them by the wrong pronouns, like

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Speaker 2: if you did that like assist person over time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you would also get in trouble because that's just like harassment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and like you're just a shit teacher. If

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Speaker 4: you're fucking going after your students for who they are,

571
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Speaker 4: then yeah, you probably shouldn't be a teacher.

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Speaker 2: They then talk about how transactivists are trying to get

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Speaker 2: medical providers to provide like gender firming health care. They're

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Speaker 2: complaining how Catholic hospitals are getting in trouble for not

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Speaker 2: wanting to do gender firming health care. They talk about

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Speaker 2: like an Obama mandate that forces health care plans to

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Speaker 2: cover gender firming health care and making sure that physicians

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Speaker 2: actually have to do it even if they personally like

579
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Speaker 2: don't want to be like no, this is like your job.

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Speaker 2: You have to provide health care. So they complain about

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Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and then the last section

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Speaker 2: of the pamphlet is on child development. TRANSNT ideology is

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Speaker 2: now promoted in schools where children are taught that gender

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Speaker 2: is fluid, falls along a spectrum, and is detached from

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Speaker 2: bodily sex. In addition, activists seek to punish anyone who

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Speaker 2: expresses anyone'serveces about radical treatment plans for gender dysphoric children.

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Speaker 2: These plans can include socially transitioning children as young as four,

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Speaker 2: administering puberty blocking drugs as young as nine, cross sex

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Speaker 2: hormones as a young as fourteen, and surgery as young

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Speaker 2: as eighteen. This ideology threatens parental rights. In Ohio, a

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Speaker 2: Catholic family lost custody of their daughter when they oppose

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Speaker 2: treatment of gender dysphoria with cross sex hormones. So, actually,

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Speaker 2: this is actually a pretty good breakdown of like how

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Speaker 2: gender like affirming healthcare could work. Is Yeah, if a

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Speaker 2: kid wants to like socially start transitioning very young and

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Speaker 2: they want to, yes, that's great, there's no harm in that.

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Speaker 2: If getting on puberty blockers at around nine, that makes sense,

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Speaker 2: hormones as a teenager, yeah, and surgery maybe a little

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00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: bit later. Yeah, that all seems quite quite reasonable. And

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Speaker 2: in terms of this Catholic family, So a transfer of

601
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Speaker 2: parents lost custody of their seventeen year old trans son

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen after inducing suicidal idea for refusing to

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Speaker 2: let their child receive hormone therapy prescribed by a medical

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Speaker 2: team who had been treating the child for two years.

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Speaker 2: Custody was transferred to his grandparents. So this wasn't the

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Speaker 2: state just like stealing this child away. It's like, no,

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Speaker 2: you're like basically abusing this kid, So we're going to

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Speaker 2: move custody over to the grandparents. Also, like you're opposing

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Speaker 2: this for a seventeen year old, this is almost like

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Speaker 2: a full legal adult. I'm going to qute from CNN here. Quote.

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Speaker 2: The parents' attorney had argued that the child was not

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Speaker 2: even quote close to being able to make such a

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Speaker 2: life altering decision at this time. Unquote. The county prosecuting

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Speaker 2: attorney argued that the parents wanted to stop the treatment

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Speaker 2: because it violated their religious beliefs unquote. So yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: so scared that this seventeen year old is going to

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Speaker 2: make a choice that you personally find a little bit icky,

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Speaker 2: Like ka'bah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can legally I emantipate yourself

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Speaker 4: at seventeen, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and usually you have like medical freedom, at least

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Speaker 2: in an Oregon you have medical freedom at sixteen. I

623
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Speaker 2: don't know what the case by case basis is in

624
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Speaker 2: a lot of states. Yeah, but that's that's pretty fucked up. Now,

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00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: there is nothing in coverage about this family being Catholic

626
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: heritage might be conflating this other story from Indiana where

627
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Speaker 2: Catholic family lost custody of their transkid in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one for alleged child abuse, and then earlier this year,

629
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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court declined to hear the parents' case. So

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Speaker 2: so there you go, big health for them. They then

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Speaker 2: talk about quote unquote research, what the research says about transition.

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Speaker 2: The view that social medical transition is the appropriate treatment

633
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Speaker 2: for people, including children, who feel at odds with their

634
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Speaker 2: biological sex, is becoming more widely accepted. However, transitioning treatment,

635
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Speaker 2: including puberty blocking hormones for children and sex change surgeries

636
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: for teens and adults, come with serious consequences. Today, parents

637
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: are told that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones may

638
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Speaker 2: be the only way to prevent their child from committing suicide. However,

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00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: according to the DSM five, as many as ninety eight

640
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: percent of gender confused boys and eighty eight percent of

641
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Speaker 2: gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally

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Speaker 2: passing through puberty. Okay, let's go over this because there's

643
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Speaker 2: some weird phrasing here, Because no, that's not it. That's

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Speaker 2: all with the DSM, actually, says A writer named Micah

645
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Speaker 2: b broke down this claim in a medium post from

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. This exact sentence has been reusing a lot

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Speaker 2: of like writing publications over time, so accept their biological

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Speaker 2: sex after naturally passing through puberty. It's a very like

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Speaker 2: loaded phrase. Like a child who suffers from genitusphoria may

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Speaker 2: receive like treatment, whether that's through like like speech therapy

651
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: like talking about it with with the therapist, or hormone blockers,

652
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: and they may then choose to cease treatment and go

653
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: through their natural puberty. Right like that is, but yeah,

654
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: that's not them like like qu one unquote like naturally

655
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: passing through puberty. Like no, that that also involves a

656
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: degree of treatment. Now, the reason why these numbers are

657
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: might be a little bit kind of odd and also

658
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: they're just false, like the way that they're like being

659
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: framed here. But in particular for kids, like the criteria

660
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: for children and having genitysphoria is different from the criteria

661
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: for teens and adults, right, those mean different things. They

662
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: also say as many as ninety eight percent as many

663
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: reason I'm saying because the DSM five actually says that

664
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: quote in natal males, persistence has ranged from two point

665
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: two percent to thirty percent. In natal females, persistence has

666
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: ranged from twelve percent to fifty percent. So they took

667
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: the lowest possible number and switched the stat around by

668
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: saying that as many as ninety eight percent eventually accept

669
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: their quote unquote biological sex. So that's that's a cute

670
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: little little flip around. And then also, according to the DSM,

671
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: a majority of boys sixty three to one hundred percent

672
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: who quote unquote grow out of gend dysphoria just later

673
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: turn out to be gay. Right, there is a difference

674
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: between like gender dysphoria versus like gender deviance. That's why you, yeah,

675
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: you should like work with an actual medical team if

676
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: you have like a kid who's like pre puberty, who

677
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: has a degree of gender variance, because yeah, that could

678
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: result in a whole bunch of a whole bunch of things,

679
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: and the fact that some of them just grow up

680
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: to be like gay kids is like the result of

681
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: like successful medical treatment, and like it's like like a

682
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: loving family, Like that is a good outcome. Similarly, the

683
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: DSM says that thirty two to fifty percent of girls

684
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 2: whose gender dysphoria does not persist later identify as gay.

685
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 2: So there we go. That's pretty pretty pretty average stuff.

686
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: They then go onto list all of the quote unquote

687
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: side effects of gender affirming treatment, saying quote meanwhile, radical

688
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: gender affirming therapies post serious medical risks, including disfiguring acne,

689
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: high blood pressure, weight gain, abnormal glucose tolerance, breast cancer,

690
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: liver disease, thermioprosis, and cardiovascular disease. These are all the

691
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: consequences of just puberty. Yeah, like, depending on what puberty

692
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: you go through, Yeah, it's gonna have different effects. That's

693
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: just how puberty worries. They also include uh, and of

694
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: course sterility, and this is this is still a hotly

695
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: debated topic. There are some recent studies that show that

696
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: there's actually a pretty good chance of people who go

697
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: on estrogen being able to like regain fertility after after

698
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 2: like a six months of ceasing treatment. It's not consistent, right,

699
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: everyone who everyone who goes on like HRT has an

700
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: understanding that it can affect how they reproduce in the future.

701
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: You're definitely encouraged to, like, if you want to have

702
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: kids or think you might want to have kids in

703
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: the future, Like you can save your sperms, you can

704
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: save your eggs, you can you can get that stuff

705
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: ahead of time. Yeah, but this is also something that

706
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: people are like working on of being able to like

707
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: maintain the ability to have kids even like during or

708
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: like after. Gender affirming health care treatment has like commenced.

709
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: So that's cool. Finally, quote puberty blocking therapies and cross

710
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: sex hormones non reversible, largely untested, and highly dangerous, especially

711
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: for children. We've already we've already talked about how all

712
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: of that is not true. We've already gone through all

713
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: of that. Sex assignment surgeries have not been shown to

714
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: reduce the extraordinarily high rate of suicide attempts among people

715
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: who identify as transgender forty one percent compared to the

716
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: general population's four point six percent. So this is also

717
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: just like not true, Like everything, it's just not true. Also,

718
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: there's no there's no citation here. A pear of you

719
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 2: studying the Journal of adlast in Health found that hormone

720
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: therapy for trans youth reduced the rate of depression and

721
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: suicide by forty percent. It also found that having like

722
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: parental support during this process also like heavily impacts the

723
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: effectiveness of this treatment, specifically on depression and suicide. Like

724
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: if if you're going through this treatment and your parents

725
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: still hate you, yeah, that's going to actually, it's going

726
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: to hurt the ability of this healthcare to actually be

727
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: effective mentally. An investigation by doctors of the University of

728
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: Washington found that trans youth who received gender if herming

729
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: healthcare reduced their risk of suicide by seventy three percent

730
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: compared to those who do not receive care, and a

731
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: policy brief in the VA wrote quote. Since in nineteen

732
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: seventy five, more than two thousand scientific studies have examined

733
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: gender affirming care, supported by over thirty leading medical associations,

734
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: including the World Health Organization and the American Medical Association,

735
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: gender affirming care is deemed evidence based and effective at

736
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: reducing suicide rates. This is all widely understood. This is

737
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: such like a non objectionable stance that even famous woke institution,

738
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: the VA, is like, yeah, no, it's actually really effective. Okay,

739
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 2: And now actually, finally, for this pamphlet quote, the most

740
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: helpful therapies for children experiencing gender dysphoria do not try

741
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: to remake the body to conform with thoughts and feelings,

742
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: which is impossible, not impossible, but rather but rather to

743
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: help people find healthy ways to manage their tension and

744
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: move towards accepting the reality of their bodies. Unfortunately, fifteen

745
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: states have passed laws of banning talk therapy for miners

746
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: who struggle with gender dysphoria, and there's a bill in

747
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: Congress which would do the same. There's no bill banning

748
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: talk therapy. This is a conversion therapy, bann This isn't

749
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: This isn't like actual talk therapy, which is a part

750
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: of like actual healthcare treatment. This is against like conversion therapy.

751
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: That is what they're actually talking about. So that is

752
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: the bulk of the pamphlet. I also got given this

753
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: this other kind of I think it's called a fact sheet,

754
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: which is ironic by the Heritage Action Group, which is

755
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: the kind of lobbying activist arm branch of Heritage. It

756
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: goes over a whole bunch of like the same stuff.

757
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: They particularly don't like that the Department of Education released

758
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: a report banning the use of offensive and inappropriate terms

759
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: like mother and father in school. This isn't true. What

760
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: they're talking about is that there's been a push to

761
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: include this more gender neutral language, like instead of saying

762
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: your mom and dad, just say parents. Like, yeah, that

763
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: makes sense. That's specifically what they're complaining about. They complain

764
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: about like books and schools. They call The Gender Queer

765
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 2: a graphic novel, a book riddled with pornographic and pedophilic content.

766
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: Not true. It's just simply isn't true. All these kind

767
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: of old lies that we have talked about on the show,

768
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 2: like many times before. And then they also just rehash

769
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of the claims from the other pamphlet.

770
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: They talk about the claim that in Virginia a girl

771
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: was actually assaulted by a teen boy pretending to be

772
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: a girl, and this is not an isolated incident. We've

773
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: talked about that claim before. This was a fake story

774
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: invented by the Daily Wire. This person was not trans.

775
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: This was someone who was in a relationship with this

776
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: girl who's actually assaulted her in a bathroom. Not a

777
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: trans person, just a regular CIS gender male. And then

778
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: they talk about sports. They talk about how men have

779
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: more upper body mass and that puberty blockers do not

780
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: change height, organ sized, skeletal structure, muscle mass or any

781
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: of the biological characteristics that make men unequal. Opponents absolutely

782
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: do hormones. Literally, they just list all the things that

783
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: hormones actually change, like, they actually famously do change all

784
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: of those things, height, skeletal structure, organ size, and muscle mass.

785
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: Those are the main things. Yeah.

786
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: I mean, if that wasn't the case, you could just

787
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 4: take testosterone and it wouldn't affect you.

788
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 2: Apparently, Yeah, famously testosterone never changes your muscle mass.

789
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, just and sounds stronger man who never benefited.

790
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: They also complained about how the biing administration is want

791
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: of people to use preferred pronouns if you work in government,

792
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: which again is just trying to stop people from like

793
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: harassing by using the wrong pronouns. It's it's all just

794
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: ways to prevent harassment. And they complain about all that

795
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: kind of stuff as well. So it's a lot a

796
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 2: lot of the same stuff from the pamphlets. A it's

797
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: a pretty fun little fact sheet. Those are the two

798
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: main pamphlets that were going around the R and C

799
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: about gender ideology. That was kind of the most in

800
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 2: depth it ever got. Most of the speeches did not

801
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: even get into any specifics. They just like threw out

802
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: keywords fractual like discussion, this is, this is this is

803
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: the most in depth stuff they have, So this is

804
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: largely like the bulk of like the average RNC attendees knowledge.

805
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: This is actually probably more in depth than most average

806
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: RNC attendees, at least in terms of what Heritage is

807
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: putting out publicly, that is, their talking points, Any any

808
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: kind of closing thoughts.

809
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 4: Here, just dog shit. I don't know what to say.

810
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really quite bad. It's not my favorite. But honestly,

811
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 2: I think it's just so poorly written, and I don't

812
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: know how effective this is. It could be a lot

813
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: more transphobic. Oddly enough, they have a lot of like

814
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: the same lies that the right has been like workshopping

815
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: around certain claims around like trans healthcare and specifically how

816
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: it relates to like kids. But I honestly don't see

817
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: this as a very effective messaging for Heritage. Yeah, I

818
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: think it is that like.

819
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 4: It's that pathway to hate thing, you know that, like

820
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 4: your grandchild has a nose pacing.

821
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: How do you deal with this? Yes, that like it.

822
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 4: It's it's not if you come at it too hard,

823
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 4: people are going to be like what the fuck, but

824
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 4: it gets people.

825
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mosto want to go over this because like

826
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: we're gonna be entering the holiday season pretty soon, so

827
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: whatever whatever Thanksgiving or Christmas dinners you're forced to attend. Yeah,

828
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: you know, if if people start talking with that kind

829
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: of stuff, it's probably gonna be claims that are similar

830
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: to some of the stuff in here. And these things

831
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: are like very easy to like research, especially all of

832
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: the like puberty blocking stuff like that. There's that's it's

833
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: so easy to be like this just isn't true. And

834
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: most of them just have no idea because if the

835
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: information they're getting is in line with this kind of thing,

836
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: it's it is just an alternate reality that that they

837
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: are living in. Yeah, and some of them are fueled

838
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: by like actual ideological hatred, and some of them are

839
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: just actually like legitimately just like misinformed. And that's something

840
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 2: like I can't tell you how your family thinks because

841
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: I don't know your family, but it is it is

842
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: a good thing to to like keep in mind that

843
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: there is ways to talk about some of the sort

844
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 2: of things. There's also if you just want to avoid

845
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: avoid it all together and play Nintendo in the basement

846
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: during Thanksgiving dinner with your cousins. That's also yeah sometimes

847
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: the move yep support that. Well, this has been exciting.

848
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: We will see you again probably tomorrow for more breaking news.

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00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: And it is news that breaks you slowly that that

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