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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I

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Speaker 1: am Ryan Warmley, joined today by Jake Seey from The

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Speaker 1: Athletic and by Pat Fitzmorris. We are doing some draft

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Speaker 1: or past. We did an episode similar to this earlier

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Speaker 1: in the summer, kind of talking about general positions. This

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Speaker 1: is going to be running back specific. We're gonna throw

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Speaker 1: out some running backs here and decide if we are drafting,

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Speaker 1: we're passing on these guys at their current adp ec

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Speaker 1: R kind of where they are going in the early rankings.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder for everybody, you can find all of

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Speaker 1: our twenty twenty five consensus rankings and tiers at fantasypros

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Speaker 1: dot com slash rankings. Again, that's Fantasypros dot Com slash rankings. Jake,

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Speaker 1: Before we dive in, what do you have going on

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Speaker 1: at the Athletic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got final part of the series coming out

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Speaker 2: of the breakouts for twenty twenty five tight ends, the

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Speaker 2: one that everybody's been waiting for, Woo tight ends. But

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Speaker 2: I then it'll spin on different spin on the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Running backs quate all four positions. I did the case

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Speaker 2: four and case against so it's not just like here

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Speaker 2: are my breakouts because I love them, like there's just

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Speaker 2: how things go sideways too, So I thought it was

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Speaker 2: a little bit deeper of a dive this year.

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Speaker 1: Fits If I made you do a list of your

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Speaker 1: favorite breakout tight ends this year, who's the first name

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Speaker 1: you're thinking of.

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Speaker 3: Favorite breakout tight ends? Would Tucker Craft count or did

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Speaker 3: we get the Tucker Craft breakout already?

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Speaker 2: No? You could? I mean because who was inconsistent last year?

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Speaker 3: He was?

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Speaker 2: Actually I had him on the list last year. I

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Speaker 2: was thinking about putting him back again because you look

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Speaker 2: at tight ends and you're like, man, I gotta come

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Speaker 2: up with five. I could do that.

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Speaker 3: There aren't many, And you know, I'm starting to warm

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Speaker 3: to the idea of a Tyler Warren breakout in your one.

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Speaker 3: I know we'll see about that. I know everyone hates.

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Speaker 2: I'm not big on rookies, but there is one that

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Speaker 2: I think that you might not be thinking of. That's

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Speaker 2: a big one I'll give. I gave him one more shot, warm,

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Speaker 2: give one more shot to think of somebody like who

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Speaker 2: might be a breakout?

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Speaker 3: Don't tell me it's Kate On No okay, Jacksonville, Oh okay,

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Speaker 3: Brenton Strange sure.

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Speaker 2: There you go, probably gonna be number one on my list.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. That that's a really good call. Actually, like plenty

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Speaker 1: All Right, that's enough tight end talk. Let's get into

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Speaker 1: the running backs what people clicked on this episode for.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start kind of at the top of the

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Speaker 1: rankings as usual and work our way from the earlier

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Speaker 1: on guys to more of the mid round guys. So again,

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Speaker 1: you guys are just going to tell me you are

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Speaker 1: drafting or passing at this ranking as of right now

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Speaker 1: here in early July. We'll starting with Devon ah Chan

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Speaker 1: and Fits. I want to start with you because I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming I know the direction you're going with this, given

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Speaker 1: your long history with this player. But Devon ah Chan

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Speaker 1: is RB six fourteenth overall, are you drafting or passing?

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Speaker 3: I am drafting him. I wasn't quite as enthusiastic about

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Speaker 3: a Chan a few weeks ago as you might have

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Speaker 3: little bit. And then the trade that sent John new

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Speaker 3: over the top with a Chan. I guess What worried

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Speaker 3: passing game might rediscover the Prince Bull of verticality that

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Speaker 3: it might not matter if Tyrek and Waddall are more

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Speaker 3: other thing to consider, Tua does not steal rushing touchdowns

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Speaker 3: And I just I think a Chan can be basically

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Speaker 3: the spinning image of early career Alvin Kamara in terms

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Speaker 1: Do you think, like, so you're you're drafting him in

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Speaker 1: this range fourteenth overall? Do you think RB six is

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Speaker 1: the right number because there's a lot of names in

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Speaker 1: RB six the right spot for cham just amongst the position.

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Speaker 3: I think it is. I have moved him up to

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Speaker 3: RB five, and I'm fine with RB six, Like I'm

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Speaker 3: fine with people who want to put Derrick Henry, Christian

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Speaker 3: McCaffrey ahead of him. Yeah, but for me, he's RB five.

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Speaker 1: Jake, what do you think I'm RB six.

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Speaker 2: I actually moved him up one spot recently with that

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Speaker 2: change that Fitz was talking about. I am okay taking

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Speaker 2: But nothing Fitz said I disagree with. This is why

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Speaker 2: we're drafting him. They upside the excitement for HM, especially

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Speaker 2: But if all three were gonna be healthy, then we

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Speaker 2: and this is just something to understand when you do

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Speaker 2: here is that a Chan without Tua this might be messy.

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Speaker 2: And I know they have like you could argue a

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Speaker 2: know we're talking running back, but just to put that

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Speaker 2: I don't mean like RB one like that obviously at six,

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Speaker 1: I feel like for me personally, like amongst the position,

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Speaker 1: And I'd rather have McCaffrey because I think he has

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Speaker 1: But that does feel like the right range. So while

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like he's you know, some kind of

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Speaker 1: it's the right spot and I'm willing to draft him

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Speaker 3: You're still taking Henry over hn I would with.

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Speaker 1: An early pick like that, I just would rather have

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Speaker 1: the floor. And even if full point PPR, like, if

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Speaker 2: Derek Henry, he garently hasn't had a massive drop off,

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Speaker 1: I just think Henry's gonna score so many touchdowns if

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Speaker 1: even in full PPR. But I can totally understand the

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Speaker 1: Kyen Williams. He is RB eleven and he's twenty fourth

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Speaker 1: But like I said, RB eleven, and I'll start with

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Speaker 1: you this time, Jake, are you drafting or passing a chuckle?

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Speaker 2: Because I have him at RB eleven and I actually

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Speaker 2: have Tier two of running backs. I go further than that.

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Speaker 2: I go down to thirteen. So Kyen sally in the

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Speaker 2: same tier as McCaffrey and Henry and all the rest.

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Speaker 2: Because let's be honest, we've seen Kyen Williams finish as

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Speaker 2: a top five running back. The risk is everything that

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Speaker 2: you say about Kyraen Williams is valid. And I mean

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Speaker 2: you guys, I mean just everybody out there who the

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Speaker 2: naysayers should be about. You know, volume, reliant, efficient lack

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Speaker 2: of it just has to do with the McVeigh system.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. What if McVeigh starts using somebody else.

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Speaker 2: Although I've been on this podcast, you guys both know this.

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Speaker 2: I think we did it together a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: where it's like every single year Sean McVay is drafting

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Speaker 2: a running back on day two or day three, and

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Speaker 2: every single year he's talking somebody else up. You can

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Speaker 2: copy paste Blake Korum for Jarquez Hunter, and you can

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Speaker 2: talking to the next man up, the next man up,

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Speaker 2: the next man up. I don't think mcveigh's all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden going to start going to a committee. Is

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Speaker 2: there a chance that the contract situation doesn't work itself out,

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Speaker 2: because that's the positive is that it sounds like they

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Speaker 2: want to get a contract done. But if not, then

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Speaker 2: does that lead to potentially two bad games in a

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Speaker 2: row and then McVeigh does pull the rugout, because that's

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Speaker 2: the one thing that I will say. It's like, I

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Speaker 2: don't believe he's going to go to a committee. But

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Speaker 2: the one risk with McVeigh is that after two or

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Speaker 2: three bad performances, he might turn to the next person.

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Speaker 3: I mean Kyron is going around that round two three turn,

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Speaker 1: I'm in at that two three turn. Jake, are you

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Speaker 2: Most likely if I'm at the two three turn, probably

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Speaker 1: It's a good point by you guys, and fits on

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Speaker 1: the idea of like, even if I might like Walker

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Speaker 1: Wizard app. All right, next running back up here, somebody

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Speaker 1: who I think, Well, there will just be a lot

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Speaker 1: and fits that's Brise Hall. Are you drafting or passing

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Speaker 3: Even though the price coming down, I'm passing. I don't

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Speaker 3: love fading talented players, but I'm just not that interested

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Speaker 3: in spending a third round pick on Brisall. Aaron Glenn

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Speaker 3: just a collection of things about Breshall that are kind

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Speaker 1: Ryan Heath on the show You and I taped with

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Speaker 1: they do you have drafting Breesehall? Do you lean more

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Speaker 2: Here at cost with fits. That's actually why I chuckled

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Speaker 2: I actually have him a few spots back at running back,

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Speaker 2: not by much, but because of that, there's other wide receivers,

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Speaker 2: I actually have more as like a back fourth round

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Speaker 2: It's Hall, so does he become Gibbs and Alan becomes

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Speaker 2: And there's that conversation too, is like, is it the

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Speaker 2: just not even accounting for all. So pifits is right,

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Speaker 1: I feel like and fits. I'm curious if you think

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Speaker 1: this is a sound strategy, Like I will be comfortable

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Speaker 1: I'll be okay with that. I forget where you said

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Speaker 3: And you know you're gonna get one of Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Let's go to a running back that I feel like

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Speaker 2: At this spot? I am drafting is almost right in

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Speaker 2: you want to put out there, have put enough out

433
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,879
Speaker 2: that James Cook is not going is what he just

434
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,880
Speaker 2: finished as not even close, you know. I mean you're

435
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,520
Speaker 2: talking about almost a full two rounds later than what

436
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 2: he should. If you just replicated last year, you'd be like, well,

437
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,440
Speaker 2: he's a second rounder, but nobody's taking them there. Which

438
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 2: is why I'm kind of okay with this, because what

439
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 2: if James Cook still rushes for ten and then I'd

440
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 2: get him the same rushing touchdown even eight, He's still

441
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 2: a mid to top end RB two. So I think

442
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,119
Speaker 2: we've talked up enough, and I say we as on

443
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 2: this show and everybody else out there, have talked up

444
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 2: enough that, like we understand math, we understand football, we

445
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 2: understand regression, it's likely that he doesn't come close to

446
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 2: last year. But at the same time, even if you

447
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 2: chopped off six rushing touchdowns and I said this when

448
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 2: we were talking to Ryan Heath, you're still talking about

449
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 2: a top end RB two top six touchdowns is a

450
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 2: big drop off. So at this cost, I'm okay. Now,

451
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 2: if we're talking a month from now and it starts

452
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 2: to pull back up because everybody's like saying the same

453
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 2: thing and contracts and everything's fine with James Cook, and

454
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,880
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he's going back inside the top ten,

455
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 2: then I'll probably be out. But I think right now

456
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 2: we've associated enough like this, Kyraent, We've associated enough risk

457
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,479
Speaker 2: to say it's okay to take him here.

458
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's what do you think?

459
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, so, I guess this is our first

460
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,199
Speaker 3: point of disagreement, Jake and I. But it's a pretty

461
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 3: mild point of disagreement because he's just kind of a

462
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: gentle fade for me. And you know, Jake just made

463
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 3: the point about touchdown regression. I think we all know

464
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 3: that's coming. So that's that's fine, but you know, like

465
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 3: one of the reasons I think he's getting nowhere near

466
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 3: eighteen touchdowns and it is probably going to be closer

467
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: to the six he had in his second year, is

468
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 3: that Josh Allen calls his own number near the goal

469
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 3: line so much. And it kind of amazes me still

470
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 3: that Cook was able to score eighteen touchdowns last year

471
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: when you consider how much Josh Allen likes to run

472
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 3: and scored quite a few rushing touchdowns himself last year.

473
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Speaker 3: There's also another way in which Josh Allen could limit

474
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Speaker 3: James Cook, Like Alan just does not throw to his

475
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 3: running backs all that much, and that's so often the

476
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 3: case with the mobile QBS. They just don't check down

477
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: when they can run on their own. And even though

478
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 3: Cook is a really good pass catcher who might have

479
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: fifty or sixty reception upside in different circumstances, his single

480
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 3: season high in receptions is thirty eight. So we know

481
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,479
Speaker 3: Cook isn't going to be a workhorse rusher because he

482
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 3: weighs under two hundred pounds and his single season high

483
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 3: rushing attempts is two hundred and thirty seven, And at

484
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Speaker 3: least for the time being, we also have to worry

485
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 3: about this contract in pass Cook has where he wants

486
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 3: a new deal and the Bills don't seem inclined to

487
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 3: give him one. But even if that gets squared away,

488
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to be out on Cook this year.

489
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Speaker 2: You completely chop his touchdowns in half. He's still RB

490
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Speaker 2: sixteen to eighteen and RB sixteen overall, RB eighteen of

491
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Speaker 2: points per game. So that's why I'm saying, like, maybe

492
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 2: he needs to go another spot or two later, but

493
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: that's like even dropping in half, he's still top eighteen.

494
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 2: Whatever you want to count him.

495
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Speaker 1: Ass, what is the point Fits that you would take Cook,

496
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Speaker 1: because I know you've been fading him throughout draft season.

497
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Speaker 1: At what point would you say, no, this is the

498
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Speaker 1: time to pull the trigger.

499
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not that far off. So he's RB

500
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Speaker 3: fourteen thirty nine overall. I've got him RB fifteen forty

501
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: two overall. It's just I like a few other guys

502
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: in that range a little better, and I'm probably picking, Like,

503
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 3: let me see who I've just in front of him.

504
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: There's a group of five I feel like and for

505
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: while you're looking Fits kind of like Cook, Kamara, Hubbard, Hall,

506
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: and Connor like, I feel like those five are all

507
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: like kind of that group of Wow, if everything goes right,

508
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: they could be top ten, but they have the risks

509
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: to fall to like into the twenties.

510
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I mean I think the guys

511
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 3: I'm taking just ahead of him in that range are

512
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: like Kamara, you know, Terry McLaurin, Tyreek, Hubbard, or Cook.

513
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Speaker 3: I would take Cook. I've got Cook rank just ahead

514
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's go to the mid round running

541
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: backs here. Fitz James Connors first up, just kind of

542
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: alluded to by Jake bare He's RB nineteen fiftieth overall

543
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: drafting or passing.

544
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 3: I'm drafting Connor there. He was RB eleven and overall

545
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 3: half point PPR fantasy scoring last year year RB fourteen

546
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 3: in fantasy points per game. I mean maybe there's a

547
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: greater injury risk with Connor than with other backs, but

548
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: he did play sixteen games last year. Cardinal's offensive line

549
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: is actually pretty good. They ranked ninth in the run

550
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: Blocking Metric adjusted lineyards. Connor contributes as a pass catcher.

551
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 3: He had forty seven receptions last year, and I don't

552
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 3: think Trey Benson has any chance to steal Connor's job

553
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 3: on the merits. I don't think we even't really know

554
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: yet whether Benson is any good to be honest, and

555
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: Connor is a pretty favorable schedule, which is what I like,

556
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: especially early in the season. Cardinal's opened with the Saints,

557
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 3: Panthers and forty nine Ers, who were among the six

558
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 3: worst teams as far as fantasy points allowed to running

559
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: backs last season, and Connor's matchups and weeks four through

560
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: seven are bad either Seahawks, Titans, Colts, Packers, so he

561
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: could get off to a really fast start. I'm drafting Connor.

562
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: Jake James Connor are nineteen fiftieth overall. Like I said,

563
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: any worry about Trey Benson or are you drafting him here?

564
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about Trey Benson. I think Trey Benson

565
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: is a nice pick to take as a late round flyer.

566
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: With the excitement that people had for Benson last year

567
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: was all baked into the fact of James Connor could

568
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: miss time like he does every single year. He actually

569
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: James Connor had one of the healthiest seasons in a

570
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: long time and came the closest I think he hasn't

571
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: a long time also to play in a full season.

572
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 2: But that's why he's going this late. You're telling me

573
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: James Connor is my RB two and I can take

574
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: him at the four or five turn. As Fitz just said,

575
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: he was an RB one in points per game. When

576
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: James Connor is on the field, James Connor's producing the

577
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 2: risk of him missing time. We all know it's real.

578
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: But let me ask everybody out there watching this and

579
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 2: listening to somebody that I've brought up before on this

580
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: very show. Everybody's like, oh my god, I'm scared of

581
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: James Connor. Let's push him all the way down here.

582
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying to push this guy as far,

583
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: but at what point is Jonathan Taylor not in the

584
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: same conversation of three years straight, we're talking about injuries

585
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: and we still want to take Jonathan Taylor a top

586
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: twenty pick, possibly pushing the first round. Like again, I'm

587
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: not saying push Jonathan Taylor that far, but Jonathan Taylor

588
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: should be down a little bit further and James Connor

589
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: should be up a little bit further because we're doing

590
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: the same thing. They're both talents that can finish top

591
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: ten points per game, both with injury risks, except one's

592
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: coming in my opinion, as supreme value. We are back

593
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: to it in full agreement here.

594
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: What do you think about that comparison fits to Jonathan Taylor?

595
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: I agree? I mean, I love JT. You know, I'm

596
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: a Wisconsin guy, so I will cape up for him.

597
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: I do think he's one of the best peer runners

598
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: in the game. But yes, like these ankle injuries have

599
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: become problematic for JT, and I'm sort of baking that

600
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 3: into where I rank him.

601
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: The next mid round running back here, David Montgomery. He's

602
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: OURB twenty one, fifty fifth overall, so very similar range

603
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: to James Connor. Jacob's start with you on this one.

604
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: Are you drafting or passing David Montgomery?

605
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll make mine a little bit quick this time,

606
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: because we just talked about him on the previous show

607
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: that you mentioned with Ryan Heath and this range. I'm

608
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: out on David Montgomery. I'm in the mid twenties and

609
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: I know everybody in the comments they're coming for it, like, ah,

610
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's good you. Dave Montgomery was actually top

611
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: fifteen in points per game, which is fine, and I like,

612
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: I get it, I understand, but like we're just assuming

613
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: that everything's going to be just as good as it's

614
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: always been for the Lions. Rag Now one of the

615
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: best in the league is gone. They have issues to

616
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: concern with with the coaching staff and the offensive line.

617
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they can't be the Lions again, but

618
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: you have to accept the fact that there is some

619
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: risk and you're talking about some risk for the second piece,

620
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing is, he's the RB two on

621
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: the team. He's not the RB one. So I'm just

622
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: never going to take a time share running back, which

623
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: as great as he is, I'm not discounting Dave Montgomery

624
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: and how great he's been at all, but I'm just

625
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: never going to take a two as a near top

626
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: fifteen price. Similar to like I think, well, Devontae Adams

627
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: is a great value a wide receiver because he can

628
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: be or wide receiver one with Puka Nakua. I'm not

629
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: going to aft DeVante Adams as a top twelve vide

630
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: receiver just because he can do it. So I'm just

631
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: out at this cost. If he was going where I

632
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: have him in the mid twenties, I would take him.

633
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: But I have clear I have starters in front of

634
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: him and Isaiah Pachecko and stuff like that. And if

635
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: somebody wants to argue Pacheck go behind Montgomery, I get

636
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: it because of the risk there. But at my point

637
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: being is I'm going to take a started running back

638
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: over the second piece of a time share.

639
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: What do you think about this one, Fitz? How good

640
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: does this offense need to be for the RB two

641
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: to be a successful fantasy pick where Montgomery is going.

642
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: You nailed at worm because so much of Montgomery's value

643
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: has been touchdown related the last two years. He scored

644
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: twenty five touchdowns in twenty eight regular season games, and

645
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: the Lions led the NFL in scoring last year, and

646
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: I believe they were fifth two years ago, so they

647
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: would need to be top five in scoring again. I

648
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: think for Montgomery to hit double digits in touchdowns again

649
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: most likely? And do we expect this Detroit offense to

650
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: continue its high flying waves with no more Ben Johnson,

651
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: no more Frank rag Now as Jake just mentioned. And look,

652
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: if you guys were in charge of the Detroit offense

653
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: and head Jamier Gibbs at your disposal, would you be

654
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: giving some other running back almost as many touches as Gibbs?

655
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: Like I just I wonder if Campbell and new offensive

656
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: coordinator John Morton might allocate the backfield touches a little

657
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: differently than Johnson did because Gibbs is such a special player.

658
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Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about record ish setting type of

659
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: offense last year. And if everybody wants to come for

660
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: James Cook, then why aren't we coming from Dave Montgomery

661
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: just pointing out even you copy paste last year's Lions

662
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: even then, like that's Ben Johnson still with the team,

663
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: Ragner has it retired? Even then, we should be acknowledging

664
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: there's some touchdown inherent regression risk that's just got to

665
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: be part of it.

666
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Speaker 1: I also wonder if, like the Cats kind of out

667
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: of the bag on Gibbs, not that we really ever

668
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: thought he needed a one bee for him to be

669
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Speaker 1: a successful one. A. But we saw when Montgomery hurt

670
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: last year that he has absolutely no problems handling a

671
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: large workload and being an absolute superstar. And I wonder if,

672
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Speaker 1: like the Lions just look at that and say, like,

673
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: kind of what you just said fits, Like, Hey, we're

674
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: running this thing. We don't have to defer to the

675
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Speaker 1: genius of Van Johnson. Why wouldn't we just give more

676
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: all the touches to Jamior Gibbs, Like it seems so

677
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: obvious right for us at least, So I wonder if

678
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Speaker 1: they kind of have more faith in his ability to

679
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Speaker 1: handle just a full time workload and not need David

680
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Speaker 1: Montgomery to spell him. And again, not that we were

681
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Speaker 1: like worried about that before, but just now that we've

682
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: seen it, maybe it makes it easier for them, I guess,

683
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Speaker 1: All right, next player here fits Tyrone Tracy RB thirty two,

694
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: ninetieth overall. So moving further down in ADP here and

695
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: in the rankings, is he somebody that you're drafting or passing?

696
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: Ninetieth overall RB thirty two.

697
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: Oh man, you're starting with me. I mean, I know

698
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: Jake has forsworn his allegiances to the Giant, but still

699
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: I know he's got his finger on the pall, so

700
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: I'm anxious to see what he said. I think I'm

701
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: drafting Tyrone Tracy here just because ambiguous backfields can be

702
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: a rich source of fantasy value potentially, like the ambiguity

703
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: holds down prices, and if you've got the right guy

704
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: in an ambiguous backfield, you can turn a big profit.

705
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: And if you get the wrong guy, you either keep

706
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: him on the bencher or waive him, and it's not

707
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: that painful because you didn't pay much. So I really

708
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: have no idea how Brian Dable is going to divide

709
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 3: the work between Tracy and Cam Scatibo, and the Giants

710
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: do still have Devin Singletary, I guess. But Tracy's versatility

711
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: should keep him involved and give him multiple paths to

712
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: fantasy value. He's a good pass catcher, he was college

713
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: wide receiver to start off his career, and he was

714
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: pretty good as a runner last year too, other than

715
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: the fumbling issue. So yeah, I think I'm on Tracy

716
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: at RB what thirty two? RB thirty two?

717
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thirty two. Jake, what do you think? What

718
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: do you make of the backfield with Skataboo there? Now?

719
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: Does RB thirty two sound right for Tracy ninetieth overall?

720
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: Are you drafting or passing?

721
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: So I'm going to save the second part of your

722
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: question because I'm going to start it off with saying

723
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: that people by now if they've been watching these shows, No,

724
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: I am on Scataboo more than I am on Tracy

725
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: because I think what he brings. And I know some

726
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: people will draw the comparison to their size, and that's

727
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: very true. They are similar signs, but that doesn't mean

728
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: there's similar styles. Like you can be the same size

729
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: and just differently basketball players, like size doesn't always mean everything.

730
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: And I know they talk about the explosiveness for Tracy

731
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: and that I'm not taking that away from him. But Skataboo,

732
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: despite their being similar size as Scott was gotten by

733
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: what five or ten pounds, he is between the tackles,

734
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: better runner. He is somebody that when you watch him play,

735
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: you can see the difference between how they run, you

736
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: can also see the difference of how their legs are used,

737
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: and they turn that being Scataboos. So I do think

738
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: the Giants need more of that. I think that you

739
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: saw Tracy as good as he was last year, as

740
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: surprising as he was to some people, and this is

741
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: coming from somebody that was in on Tracy last year,

742
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: is that you still went back to single that not you,

743
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: as in Brian Dables, still went back to Singletary at times,

744
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: just to bring that other dimension. It's not like Singletary

745
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: is amazing between the tackles. It was just kind of

746
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: another complimentary piece to each other. And then also the

747
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: fact that Tracy fumbled like that, that's something that Dable

748
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: is not going to put up with. So I say

749
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: all that to say is that I do have Skataboo

750
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: in front of Tracy, and Tracy was going higher just

751
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: a month ago. But I find it interesting something to

752
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: lean into what fits said here is that if we're

753
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: going to start having Tracy's ADP drop, two things needed

754
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 2: to happen. Is one, it shouldn't be happening. If everybody's

755
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: going to stick on Tracy and say that he has

756
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: all this explosiveness after the touch blah blah blah, then

757
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: he shouldn't be dropping or too. If we're going to

758
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: drop him, why isn't Scatabuu going up like somebody is

759
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: going to finish inside the top thirty probably the top

760
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: twenty five? Can't be both ways, Like you can't drop

761
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: Tracy and just leave Scataboo way down there by like

762
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: RB thirty nine or forty. That makes no sense. So

763
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: I'm presenting all that to say is as much as

764
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: somebody that's on Scataboo over Tracy at this price, I'll

765
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: draft Tracy too. I think it's very similar that you

766
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: can make the argument to the Steeler situation, where heck,

767
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 2: it's going to frustrate sometimes, but maybe both of them

768
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: just have fringe rby two value and you're starting either

769
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: one of them as your flex running back a lot of.

770
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: Weeks, Jake, Just to be clear, like you would not

771
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: ever want to have both of these guys on your ross.

772
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: Want to?

773
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because it doesn't seem like it's gonna

774
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: be an either, or it seems like it's gonna be

775
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: both to some degree.

776
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: But at least Tracy at thirty two. For Tracy and

777
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 2: Scottaby is gonna sit down at thirty nine or forty.

778
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: I'm not aiming to do it. I don't want to

779
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: do it, but I would take both at the cost

780
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: and then hey, guess what, Maybe one hits and then

781
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: the other doesn't, but at least at that cost. You're

782
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: talking about two round separation of them that in that range,

783
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: as you brought up as one of your main points,

784
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying you're arguing me, I'm echoing your

785
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: point is they are bench pieces. If one of them

786
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: ends up taking a clear lead, even if it's Tracy,

787
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: you're gonna benefit because they're bench pieces.

788
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to one more mid round running back

789
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: Travis etn He's RB thirty four, Jacob starth you on

790
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: this one ninety fifth overall drafter.

791
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 2: Pass I'm drafting. I've been on Travis Etn saying that

792
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: he was a top five running back just two years ago,

793
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of that happened in the

794
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: first half of that season and hasn't been very pretty since.

795
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: But I also look at this backfield and there's gonna

796
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: be a running back that we talk about at some

797
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: point that I'll say for this that I don't think

798
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 2: is a factor in this backfield. But also, as much

799
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: as Tutin's involved here, it's the Tyrone Tracy thing all

800
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: over again. Is there's already fumbling issues that we knew

801
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 2: about that are already presenting themselves in camp. And there's

802
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: already been talk of Liam Cohen coming to this team

803
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: and whatever he does with this backfield. And I know

804
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: a lot of people want Tuton to be the Bucky Irving,

805
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that's a non zero chance of happening.

806
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: But there's also a non zero chance that Etn just

807
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: goes back to being good and is the lead, and

808
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: that Tutans know more of a complimentary third down passing

809
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: game piece, who, by the way, would also have to

810
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: do most of his without the pass blocking piece of

811
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 2: being in on third downs, because that's a major concern

812
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: for Tutin to begin with, where this could be an

813
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: entire committee. But again as a bench piece, if EATN

814
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: gets two hundred and fifty touches, I mean, if we're

815
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: all excited about Colen and what he can do for

816
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: this offense, and two hundred and fifty touches, even if

817
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: they're not the prettiest, two hundred and fifty touches is

818
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 2: going to be a boost to his value. At this cost,

819
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: it starts to we get more bad news about TOOT

820
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: and we get more of ETN looks like he does

821
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: two years ago, and ETN starts creeping inside the top

822
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: twenty five RUnni max. That's a different story, but at

823
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: this price, again, it's a bench piece. I'm going to

824
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: gamble on the bench piece that as of right now

825
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: is the leader in this backfield.

826
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: What do you think fits h.

827
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: You know what I said about leaning into ambiguous backfields, Well,

828
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: I'm really not doing that here with ETN. And it's

829
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: weird because, I mean, man like Jake said it, there

830
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: was that sort of cutoff point for ETN in twenty

831
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: twenty three where he was fabulous for the first half

832
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: of that season, he was averaging like twenty PPR points

833
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: a game, I think through the first seven or eight weeks,

834
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 3: and then just kind of a downturn, like not a

835
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: go over the cliff downturn, but just clear downturn. He

836
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 3: went to like thirteen PPR points.

837
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: He was sliding down a hill.

838
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And like last year, he was just objectively bad,

839
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 3: like three point seven yards per carry. He only fourd

840
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: seventeen missed tackles all season. He averaged minus zero point

841
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: two eight rushing yards over expected per carry, so he's

842
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 3: getting less than was expected of him given the circumstances.

843
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: On average, averaged just one yard per route run in

844
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: the passing game, which is, you know, pretty bad for

845
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: a running back. He is a free agent after this year,

846
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: and the Jaguars drafted not one, but two running backs.

847
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: They got Tooting in the fourth and Leaquin Allen in

848
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: the seventh. The Jaguars still have Tank Bigsby is coming

849
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: off a pretty strong year where Tank's efficiency metrics just

850
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: blew etns away. And this looks like a backfield by committee,

851
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 3: and Tank Bigsby is really the only guy whose role

852
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: looks somewhat predictable because he's the best inside runner in

853
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: this backfield, and I think it's a safe bet that

854
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: Bigsby gets a pretty healthy share the early down snaps,

855
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: But like who gets the rest of those early down

856
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: snaps and who plays on passing downs? Because I think

857
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: the two rookies pulls a much bigger threat to Etn's

858
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: role than they do to Bigsby's role.

859
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: Want to let everybody know that they can join us

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Speaker 1: every player debate. All right, guys, let's do a quick

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Speaker 1: lightning round. This will be would you rather? I'll throw

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Speaker 1: two names your way. You can give me a quick

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Speaker 1: thought and why you're going one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: A couple of these names have come up already just

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Speaker 1: in talking about some of the other players that we've

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Speaker 1: dove a little more deep into, got a handful of

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Speaker 1: would you rather hear though? Fits Josh Jacobs or Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Packers ran the ball really effectively. Last year, Jacobs looked

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Speaker 3: terrific in that offense, and I worry about the ankle

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Speaker 3: issues with Jonathan Taylor. Also, just not much pass catching

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Speaker 3: up side there. He had eighteen catches in fourteen games

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Speaker 3: last year.

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Speaker 1: Jake Jacobs or Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacob's one spot in Taylor and just basically what

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Speaker 2: fits said, but especially the passing game. And everybody's going

881
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Speaker 2: to be talking about how miserable the quarterbacks are going

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Speaker 2: to be for the Colts. Well, then let's just take

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Speaker 2: the one thing we know in Jordan Love.

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Speaker 1: How about Aaron Jones or DeAndre Swift?

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Speaker 2: Jake, can I pass at cost? I'm going to take

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Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift. I think that Jordan Mason is a serious

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Speaker 2: threat to Aaron Jones. I don't mean just like if

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Speaker 2: Aaron Jones gets hurt. I think we're seeing Aaron Jones

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Speaker 2: kind of downturn at this point of his career, where

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Speaker 2: I think Swift is a risk, but at least and

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Speaker 2: I don't expect Swift to get sixty five percent of

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Speaker 2: the touches. I think like Swift is just going to

893
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Speaker 2: be the lead of a time share, whether it's Johnson.

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Speaker 2: I'm a non guy with him, but I think I'll

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Speaker 2: take Swift given off the fact of the cost between

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Speaker 2: the two.

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Speaker 3: Fits, I'll take Jones. I think he's still good, and

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Speaker 3: you know, he gets a boost playing in Kevin O'Connell's

899
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: offense running behind a refurbished offensive line. The Vikings really

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Speaker 3: made some major repairs in the middle of that line.

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Speaker 3: I'm still not entirely sure how good DeAndre Swift is,

902
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Speaker 3: and it seems like we should know that by now,

903
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Speaker 3: and they're just a lot of unknowns with the Chicago

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Speaker 3: offense under Ben Johnson. So I'll take Jones. But yeah, like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, do you do you guys feel like

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Speaker 3: definitively that Swift is good. I don't think we know.

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Speaker 2: No, I think he's above replacement, but I do think

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Speaker 2: that Ben Johnson. Look, I know everybody talks about what

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00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: happened with him with the Lions, but the one thing

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Speaker 2: that was telling is at least he's gonna be the

911
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Speaker 2: pass catcher. That that's the good news here. That's why

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Speaker 2: I would take Swift.

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Speaker 1: Joe Mixon or Kenneth Walker fits a Walker.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if he can stay healthy, he is going

915
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Speaker 3: to thrive in Clint Kubiak system. It gets a system

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Speaker 3: that's heavy on outside zone and that is right up

917
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Speaker 3: Walker's alley. The Mixon is just a total stay away

918
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Speaker 3: for me this year, Like Houston's offense, one might be

919
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Speaker 3: the worst in the league. And now mixing as competition

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Speaker 3: for touches with the signing of Nick Chubb and the

921
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Speaker 3: drafting of Jiquavius Woody Marks, Jake.

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Speaker 2: I like that you included his entire name, and this

923
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Speaker 2: is a Walker by a mile for me. This is

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Speaker 2: super like you said, by the way, staying healthy, Well,

925
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Speaker 2: somebody's not healthy right now. And between the two of them,

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Speaker 2: it's Joe.

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Speaker 1: Mixon, Traveon Henderson or Caleb Johnson, A couple of rookies, Jake,

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Speaker 1: who would you rather?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I got Trevion Henderson by a big gap. Actually,

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Speaker 2: there's a section we're going to talk about the players

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Speaker 2: that were targeting heavy in draft, and I would have

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Speaker 2: said Travian Henderson, but I've set them way too much

933
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Speaker 2: at this point. I'm going to have a ton of

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Speaker 2: Travion Henderson this year. You know, I feel I do

935
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Speaker 2: think he's explosive. I think he can do so much.

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Speaker 2: And I know people are worried about a time share

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Speaker 2: I'm not that worried about Rimondre Stevenson, Antonio Gibson and

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Speaker 2: the rest, and even if I brought it up before

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Speaker 2: James White. Oh, by the way, the last player without

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Speaker 2: a two hundred and ten touch season to finish as

941
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Speaker 2: a top fifteen running back and what the Patriots offense

942
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Speaker 2: with a very similar system to what they were running

943
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Speaker 2: back there because they're all back again, McDaniels. So I

944
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Speaker 2: don't need Trevion Henderson to have two hundred and seventy

945
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Speaker 2: touches to have top fifteen value fits.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it's much closer. I also have

947
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: Henderson ranked higher, but only by one spot because I

948
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Speaker 3: could see Caleb thriving like they're just going to cast

949
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Speaker 3: him into this make now Yeah exactly, and it's a.

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Speaker 2: Does it make it feel better that I have him

951
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Speaker 2: in the same tier. I just have Henderson as the

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Speaker 2: first in a tier in killing Johnson the last of

953
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Speaker 2: is the.

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Speaker 3: Tier totally fair? Jake, Yeah, I mean, like I do

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Speaker 3: feel this could go either way. I could see Caleb

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Speaker 3: having a ten touchdown season, but I have to give

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Speaker 3: Trevion an edge because they think he's going to be

958
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: much more involved as a pass catcher than Caleb Johnson

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Speaker 3: will be.

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Speaker 1: How about Quinn Shawn Judkins another rookie obviously, or Isaiah Pacheco.

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Speaker 3: Fits oh Man another tight one for me. I've got

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Speaker 3: Pacheco ranked RB twenty eight, Quinn Shawn RB twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: I'm giving Pacheco a mull again for last year. Came

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Speaker 3: back from a fractured leg in less than three months,

965
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Speaker 3: so surprising that he was kind of a shell of

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Speaker 3: himself when he came back. I just I have so

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Speaker 3: many questions about the Cleveland offense, and I actually think

968
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 3: Dylan Sampson like it annoys me to no end that

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00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: the Browns took like two running backs I loved from

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Speaker 3: this class and uh, you know they they might be

971
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Speaker 3: competing for toushes.

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Speaker 2: Jake, Yeah, I'm the same on this one, mostly because

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Speaker 2: Judkins not only has Samson, but we're just already casting

974
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Speaker 2: his side drume forward, which release. So if you're gonna

975
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Speaker 2: talk about pure talent, but it's not like he can't

976
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Speaker 2: be a factor. But let's also just go back to

977
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Speaker 2: one thing. If you're gonna take the leaders of both teams,

978
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: assumably Pichecko and Juckkins, who you're gonna take you're gonna

979
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Speaker 2: take the better offense. So if we're gonna risk on

980
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Speaker 2: Pachecko bouncing back. Everybody knows that I like Brashard Smith

981
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: as a passing game weapon. But if Pacheco looks anything

982
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Speaker 2: like he did pre injury and for fits, weren't you

983
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: the one that even said that, Like, if Pacheco would

984
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: have never played last year, wouldn't we be ranking him

985
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: higher because it would be the unknown of the optimism,

986
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: like we we would have rather not see him look

987
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: bad last year then to see him. So I would

988
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: take Pacheco just because if he's anything like he was

989
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: pre injury, you're gonna take him on that team.

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00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: Last one here in the lightning round, Jakes, starting with

991
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Speaker 1: you Remandre Stevenson or Javante Williams Javonta Williams.

992
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: Like I just brought up is mostly because of the

993
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: Trevon Henderson thing. I think that they've been looking for

994
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 2: a reason to get away from Stevenson, and Stevenson looked

995
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: pretty awful for good portions of last season, not the

996
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: entire year, but good portions of it, so much so

997
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: that Antonio Gibson was getting to start over him. We

998
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: saw when that happened, So I'm going to take the

999
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: chance at Javonte Williams. We brought it up with the

1000
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: show that we did with Ryan Heath if if if

1001
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: he's anything like he was pre injury. But the good

1002
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: news is he's not even going as a top thirty

1003
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: running back, So he doesn't look good in the first

1004
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: two or three weeks, you drop him and move on.

1005
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: The worst thing that's gonna happen with from Andre Stevenson

1006
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: is he stays part of the time share and then

1007
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: you're just holding him on your bench and like, well,

1008
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: maybe he can pull back. No, you can just draft

1009
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: Davonte and either you get the answer or you move on,

1010
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: which is probably the more appealing part of not having

1011
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: to deal with Martros Stevenson.

1012
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I am all over Javonte Williams at his

1013
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: current cost. Fits would you rather have Javante or Remandre?

1014
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 3: Javante? I mean, Remandre is now clearly the second best

1015
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: guy in the New England backfield, behind Treveon and Javante.

1016
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 3: He says he's just starting to feel like his old

1017
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 3: self after that knee injury in twenty twenty two where

1018
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: he tours ACL and lcl if he's back to one

1019
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: hundred percent. It's possible he takes the lead our b

1020
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: job in Dallas and just runs with it.

1021
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Speaker 1: All right, We're going to wrap up the show with

1022
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Speaker 1: one running back from each of you that you are

1023
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: drafting everywhere, and one running back from each of you

1024
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: that you are fading everywhere. Fits Who is your must

1025
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: have that you are drafting everywhere?

1026
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: All right?

1027
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna get an amen from Jake on

1028
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: this because it's Jordan Mason. Just heard Jake say that

1029
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: he'd rather have Mason at costs than Aaron Jones. I'm

1030
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: actually interested in both of the Vikings running backs, but

1031
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 3: at their respective costs. I do think I like Mason

1032
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: a little bit more. His ADP last I checked was

1033
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: RB thirty five. Mason is just a really good fit

1034
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: for the Vikings team that runs a lot of outside zone,

1035
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 3: which is totally in Mason's wheelhouse. And let's not forget

1036
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 3: how good Mason was filling in for the injured Christian

1037
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: McCaffrey in San Francisco early last season before getting hurt himself.

1038
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: Mason averaged one hundred and seven rushing yards for the

1039
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: forty nine ers over their first five games, and I

1040
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: think Mason could have some standalone value this year, and

1041
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: he would absolutely become a winning lottery ticket if anything

1042
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: happened to Jones.

1043
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake, who's you must have running back? You're drafting everywhere.

1044
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: Somebody also got hurt last year, but also a lot

1045
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: of people were excited for and then just didn't hit

1046
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: for multiple reasons. But Jalen right, like, we're all just

1047
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 2: you know, Ray Mostert's gone. The backup job is his,

1048
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: and it's not just going to be a backup job.

1049
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: If everything's right at the Dolphins, right is going to

1050
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: be used weekly where you know, maybe you fill him

1051
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: in at a flex spot depending on your buys or

1052
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: injuries or whatever. And if anything were to happen to

1053
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: a Chan at this point, which she's been nicked up

1054
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: a few times already through his career, I think Jalen writes,

1055
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: excitement from last year should not have been forgotten for

1056
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 2: this year. Where he's going right now is honestly criminal,

1057
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: Like it's just the upside for him is clearly top twenty.

1058
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: If not more something were to happen to.

1059
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: A chance fits, who are you fading everywhere?

1060
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: Oh?

1061
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: We touched on him a little bit earlier.

1062
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: He took the layup.

1063
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: It is a layup. It's Joe Mixing. I mean, it's

1064
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: just the Texans have a bad offensive line, Like they

1065
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: have not gotten that line much help. In the offseason.

1066
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: They brought in Nick Chubb, they drafted Woody Marx. Mixon

1067
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 3: is about to turn twenty nine, so the age cliff

1068
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 3: is starting to loom. I'm just staying away.

1069
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: Jake, who are you fading everywhere?

1070
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: It's funny, you know earlier Fits brought this player up

1071
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: and he topped positively, but we disagree on the final

1072
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: player a little bit. I'm just out on Tank Bigsby,

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Speaker 2: and mostly because I just don't know that if everything

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Speaker 2: even hits, you know, like people bring up the holes

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Speaker 2: changing of the coaching situation, the pass catching option. Well,

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Speaker 2: even as bad as Rashad White was, he was still

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Speaker 2: used in the passing game for that being for the Bucks,

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Speaker 2: where I just don't see a lot of value in

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Speaker 2: the non pass catching running back. Bigsby's role might be secure.

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Speaker 2: You might be completely right about that, Fits, because la

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Speaker 2: Quinn Allen, I think, actually has some Rashad White similarities

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Speaker 2: to his game to bring him up in the fact,

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Speaker 2: but I think that you're seeing that it's the ETN

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Speaker 2: that can do it all. But basically we haven't seen

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Speaker 2: that ETN in a while.

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Speaker 3: But you have the.

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Speaker 2: Explosiveness in the passing game of Twoton, you have a

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Speaker 2: Rashad White type of player and l Quinn Allen and

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Speaker 2: watch him be the answer to this entire quagmire here.

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Speaker 2: But the one role that I just have no appeal

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Speaker 2: in is the one that isn't going to be used

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Speaker 2: in the passing game, that is just the runner because

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Speaker 2: it is the Cohen offense. So I'm just kind of

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Speaker 2: out on Bigsby because I just don't see a ceiling

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Speaker 2: with him, even though he's right that being fits, he

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Speaker 2: did look better than ETN did last year.

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Speaker 3: But I agree with you, Jake, like I'm not really

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Speaker 3: necessarily like I think Bigsby is going to have a

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Speaker 3: set role in the offense. I just don't think it

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Speaker 3: it's really a fantasy relevant role because he is a

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Speaker 3: complete zero as a pass catcher And we don't know

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Speaker 3: that he's going to be like a ten touchdown guy either,

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Speaker 3: Like we can't assume that he's going to get a

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Speaker 3: lot of touchdown opportunities.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we'll go ahead and wrap things up. There

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Speaker 1: a lot of different running back names we hit on

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Speaker 1: in this episode. Hope everybody appreciated it. For Jake and Fitz,

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