WEBVTT - Lip Service with Lena Waithe… (S3 E5 "No Ifs, Ands or Butts") 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:10.760 you a Charlotte? Hi, everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:16.079 I am back with the incredible, knowledgeable, brilliant Alina Waite 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:20.919 for part two of Are You a Charlotte? Rewatching No 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.520 ifs ands or butts. All right, now, we have not 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.680 talked about all the different things. Let's talk a little 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:28.680 bit more because you know, we like talk about the 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:29.240 macro here. 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:30.560 I love that about you. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:33.920 But I wanted to get your point of view on 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:38.600 Aiden and Carrie. But Aiden especially because obviously at the 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.760 time that Aiden showed up, he was like the anti 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.000 big yes right when I see his little baby. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.440 Face, Oh my gosh, hair, I mean. 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.080 Just so adorable. And he was always wearing what he wanted. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:52.720 I just want to go on record about this because 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.400 people really criticized what he wore on just like that. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.520 And I was at his fitting. I had pulled out 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.600 some things I had fitting right before him, and they 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.200 were like John is coming. I was like, oh, these 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.560 clothes are beautiful. So I pulled out all the beautiful things. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.760 I put them together like I was picking outfits for Corbett, right, 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:09.520 and he got there and he was like no, And 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.280 I was like, okay, all right, I'm leaving goodbye, right, 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.400 and I left Molly with him and he wanted that 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.280 narrow jacket thing. That's what he wanted to wear, right, 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.600 And then everybody was like, why did Molly Rogers put 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.399 him in that? She did not put him in that, right, 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.840 Like when he was wearing the double jean in the beginning, 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:32.080 that is Corbett right with the rings. This is Corbett, right, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:33.880 No one put that on him. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:35.679 Well, the child he is supposed to be, like, is 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.199 he like a Midwestern type guy? 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:38.600 I mean, ever say? 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:39.160 I mean. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.560 Where Maybe he doesn't say that. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.040 I don't know, because remember he had been on the 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:44.920 Northern Exposure. 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.640 Okay, I remember that show. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.400 I mean what I what I liked was the voiceover 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.120 is that he's very all American, right, so he's also 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.840 something that's been out of a rap Lauren ad you know, 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:55.720 think about it. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.040 They're wearing the dinner on dinner the turquoise way. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.160 And he's got his longer hat. The dogs babyface, and 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.280 the dog who wants to hunt carry's legs about this. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:06.000 And he makes. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.200 Furniture, literally makes furniture, which is so dreamy a chair 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.520 that lives in the show long pastes him. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:13.400 I had forgotten all of this. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:18.080 His chair survives him. I think, you know, I think 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.680 I love the introduction of that character. I love how 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.480 they introduce him. I love that she says she has 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.840 a crush. I love that she has to There's always 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:28.400 going to be a conflict, so I love that she 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:32.240 has to choose to see him and cigarettes. And I 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.880 even googled. I said how addictive are cigarettes? And I'm like, 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:40.120 I just googled because I'm not a smokeer, but I saidtive, like, 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:41.960 I mean, yeah, there was like there is addictive as 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.000 heroin and like you know, like all other kinds of 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:45.640 the hard drugs. 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.720 So you really feel for her, you know, trying to think. 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:50.000 About and everything right. 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.040 But what I do appreciate is that she's willing to 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.560 say you know what, and all of the girls who 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:56.600 are like, we all hate it. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:01.000 We all hate that I forgot about or were like 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.560 he's right, yeah, like we put up with it, Like 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.200 that's so rare that we're like some guy we've never met. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.040 We're like, yeah, you should listen to him. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.120 Well, but doesn't even listen. It's more about it's not 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.880 a great habit. You know, it's tough, and so I thought, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.080 that's what's so great about that argument is because you 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:17.920 can say, oh, he's being controlling, and so I can 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.840 say or he's trying to say, yo, it's not healthy. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.359 Definitely, absolutely. I mean I feel like. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.800 Also, if anybody's ever kissed somebody who just tooked a cigarette. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.920 I'm with you. That's so funny to me. When she 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.240 so she gets the cigarette out and he goes, oh, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.600 we have a problem, and then she's like, what she 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.760 thinks it's about that she lied that she was a designer, 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.920 right to get the chair, but it's not. It's a cigarette. 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:40.200 And he goes, you know, I can't date a smoke her. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:41.920 And then she's like, oh, I'll just put away. She 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.360 turns her back. Then she turns back to him. She's 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.120 taken a puff. And then he gets her and then 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:47.400 he goes and it doesn't. 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.360 Even occur to her that she took away. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.000 She's yeah, And I think some of that is the 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:56.720 nineties New York, like everybody was just smoking. Like when 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.920 you see the first season and she goes to that 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:04.120 book party of the justin what's his name? Thank You 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.560 Throw's character like he plays two writers. Do you remember 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.000 the writers? His first rider is like kind of an ick, like, oh, 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:12.560 now I'm gonna say name, but I shouldn't say name. 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.160 He's like one of those, like, you know, super cool 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.000 young guy writers. And every one of that party is smoking. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.720 That's what I remember. Yeah, you know, and like on 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.039 our set, everybody would smoke. So we'd be in that 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.240 small like the sound stage at Silver Cup. I feel 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.280 like the ceiling was this low, and like our first 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.080 a d would smoke like a chimney start just with smoking. 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:33.920 Everyone there's just. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:35.920 A cloud of smoke, do you know what I mean? 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.280 Like all night long, you're just in there. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.880 You be like outside to breathe. Whoa. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.440 Yeah, it was a lot. There was a lot. I know. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.040 I just want to talk about Aiden some more. Okay, 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:57.760 I don't know what to make of Aiden when I 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:58.320 look back. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:03.800 Oh, I think I think Aiden is actually quite old fashioned. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.599 In a good way. Yeah, I mean, I think just 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:08.359 in many ways. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.520 I don't know if it's good or bad, you know, 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.320 but I think, and obviously I love I started. It's Netflix, 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.400 so the next episode begins, and you know, just kind 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.480 of let it all a little bit. But I do 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.560 love the episode where he waits to have sex with Carrie. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:23.240 I've forgotten about that. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:27.560 Yeah, She's a little like what is happening? 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:28.280 Yeah? 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.599 And I think that to me again, what's cool about 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.719 the Second the City is that that's why I don't 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.960 get too concerned about the politics around certain things, because 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.719 it's more about how do I age with the show 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:41.480 rather than how does the show age? 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.360 Interesting because for. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.800 Me, you know, in my early forties now and watching 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.560 a character say, you know what, I want to hold 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.800 off on like just jumping in the bed right away. 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.120 I want to really continue to get to know you. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.520 I want to make sure we have a foundation that's 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.440 something now that you can look at and go, oh, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.600 I relate to this. I understand the idea of not 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.240 sitting terring sex. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:01.919 In a relationship. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.640 And it shows his maturity and that he's like, look, 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.640 I've done the we have sex early and it hasn't 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.560 quite worked out, and so he's like, I want this 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.000 to work. And I love that She is like, huh now, 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.560 I'm like nervous to have because because there's there's an 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:22.880 investment definitely, and I just sort of think that and also, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:25.920 you know, Ai, I'm talking about Aiden later too, like 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.800 when he there's a breakup obviously, and then he comes 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.760 back and it's a willingness to forgive, there's a willingness 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.400 to keep trying. But I also think because look, I'm 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.800 childless by choice, and I think some Aiden was very 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.760 determined to be a father, and we see how that 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:51.000 choice affects his life later with Carrie. Yeah, and sometimes 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.520 it can be frustrated because you're look at You're like, okay, bruh, 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.839 your kids are practically grown, like they're. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.680 Their own people. How much micro manager do you need 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:58.840 to do? Again? 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.440 You have to have conflicts in TV, not complaining. But 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.360 I do think there's this idea if he hadn't been 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.560 so concerned with being a father, he might have been 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.760 able to be a better partner and a for sure 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.160 you know, free version of himself. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.240 That's so interesting. I like that so much. Yeah, I mean, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.560 I'm gonna, I'm gonna now that I'm back in the 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.440 old Aiden, right, Yeah, No, we're early Aiden. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:23.680 Early Aiden with. 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.680 That little little baby face of his is so adorable, 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.840 and he is so different and the just the energy 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.920 that he brings is so different, just it himself. It's 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.680 very it's specific and interestingly different. 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.840 Yeah, he's a bit of a hippie and you know, 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:40.640 a free spirit. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.480 He's got a strength. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:47.400 Very grounded, yeah, very comfortable in his skin, yes, yeah, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:51.400 which is so nice for her, absolutely, Like he wants 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.200 her to meet his parents and she's all like what right. 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.520 So it's that thing of I love how he's offering 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:01.200 obviously everything Big didn't. And what I really appreciate about 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.200 the difference between the two is that Biggest who women won. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.920 Aiden's almost like the person you need and so you 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.920 because because Aiden's concerned about her health, right, Big is 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.160 like I smoke too, definitely, Big like, I'm not really 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.000 trying to commit and she's like, well that's frustrating. And 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.720 Aiden's like, how about I buy the apartment next to us. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.560 We can break down that wall and make this a home, right, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.120 And she's like what you know? So it does kind 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:31.000 of push, you know, Carrie or a woman to ask themselves, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.360 wait a minute, what do I actually want? Because the 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:40.040 thing I said I want right right, And that is 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.959 something I'm so fascinating. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:42.839 And it's so real. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:44.920 It's so real, so real. 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.800 Because she literally is having a panic attack with the 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.280 with the gag with the wedding gown with him coming 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.360 through the wall, and it's like she can't, you know, 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.360 keep the track of his dog for the enough time. 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.520 So it's just sort of like Carrie. And I think 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.880 that's the that's it's interesting because it's a question I 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.600 ask in my work on the page and also in 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.360 life a lot is what do you actually want? And 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:10.000 I think you know in life, in a relationship, in 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.200 your career, and I think people are almost afraid to 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.600 say it out loud because then you can't you can't 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.160 unsay it. And once you've put it out there, and 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.040 also you have to ask yourself, is this what I want? 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.599 Or this is what I've been taught to want? Is 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.400 this what my parents want? Or is this what society 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.600 is telling me I should want what my friends want? 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:34.040 Yeah? 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.120 Or is this what I actually want? And I think 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:43.240 we as individuals have to really decipher what is what 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.080 because you've been fed something your whole life, particularly if 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.559 you're a woman, particularly if you have a certain class, 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.080 if you're a woman of color, because a lot of 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.360 times you're raised to be straight, you're raised to be 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.640 of a certain religion, you're raised to make money, you're 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.360 raised to be successful, and we don't even have our 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.040 own definitions what success, what is success and so, And 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.360 that's why I even say it goes back to like 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.960 how do we handle this? I'm like, you handled it 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:08.400 the best way you could at the time. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.440 I mean, that's true, that's true. I guess for me, 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.160 I I you know, because I'm in it, right, I 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.200 was in it then, and I always want us to. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.720 I guess sometimes when I watch it, I'm like, Wow, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.480 it's so great, it's so much better than I remembered. 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.080 Sometimes I feel that right, which is of course so 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:31.520 rewarding and amazing. And then sometimes I'm like, hmmm, I 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.040 don't know. I know the idea maybe, but I don't 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.679 know exactly how that got how that got got fleshed 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.040 out well. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.040 As a person who's on the other side of it, 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.319 where we're writing, a lot of times we're under in 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.160 terms of like, yeah, we're kind of. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.880 Stress, so stressed, or an actor can't. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.200 Do a thing, wants something, and we're trying to do 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:52.520 this and we have to do it quickly. We have 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.760 to lose a scene, and you know, and oftentimes with 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:57.280 TV people on us, it's quick. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:58.560 Like you have to hurry up and turn the script 0:10:58.600 --> 0:10:59.839 around to get it out. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.560 Third season we did like twenty something or whatever, and 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.000 we were you know, it was like kind of the 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.319 end of that era in a way. Like I don't 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.760 think after that we ever did that many. I think 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.880 we did a lot for season, but not that many. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.160 And I think it HBO very rarely said that much 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.080 to us, So it wasn't so much that though I 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.400 know obviously normally do have notes and yeah, different things, right, 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.880 But I think also, and I'm curious your thoughts on this. 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.200 You know, the way that we're living now, the way 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:32.439 that we're able to immediately critique everything, line and everything 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:37.040 is kind of like open season, open season and compounded, right, 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:41.839 So like if someone starts complaining about something, everyone kind 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.120 of jumps on that bandwagon in a way where they 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:50.000 somehow feel community with each other. Right, what do you 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.040 make of that in terms of what we do for 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:52.480 a living. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.920 Well, I think here's the deal. As artists. We if 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.320 a Bob isn't chasing you, you're not doing it job. 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.640 Wow, love it, I'm going to try to. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.959 Art isn't meant to be kind or to coddle. It's 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.800 good point pointople feel comfortable that's a good point. 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.560 A lot of the art that I that has changed 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.000 me or has pushed me to want to be a 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:24.280 better artist often comes in very uncomfortable, uneasy packages, and 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.360 there's no right or wrong way to handle sensitive content 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:33.480 or material. I think also, I think the real test 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.720 is not where a piece of art sits right now, 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:38.960 but how we examine it ten years from now or 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.400 twenty years from now. And I think the reason why 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.120 you can do a podcast about the show is because 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:47.040 it's still relevant. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.839 Absolutely, it's such a gift. It's amazing, it's amazing. But 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:50.480 who knew then? 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.080 We didn't really know, because that's how it goes, you 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.000 know what I'm saying. I love what you said too. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.360 You said, Oh when when Carrie wound up with Big, 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.319 people were outraged, she wound up along people were outraged. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.120 It's so true. It's so true, so true. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.800 The truth is an artist has to do what feels 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.720 right to them right in that moment, right right right. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.160 I mean the kissing. All I remember is this. It 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:26.240 was Nicole holoffson Er. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.000 Do you know her, I mean I know of her, Yes, yeah, 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:29.760 she would come. 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:31.360 I don't know how we got her to do so 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.280 many episodes because she was always trying to do her 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.200 own films, right, yeah, exactly, but we would just deal 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.880 her in between, and she was so funny and kind 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.000 of light about it all, but also sometimes she would 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:45.000 just give crazy direction. And I remember her telling that 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.280 guy whose name I could never remember. We would run 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:48.960 into him and said they would be there's that guy, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.200 and I'd be like, which one you like? The one 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.040 who licked your face? He's over there. I'd be like, 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.000 oh my god, what's his name? We could look up 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.480 his name right now, but I just remember standing. That 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.360 was before I married Kyle, so I hadn't moved to 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.959 Park Avenue. So I'm actually on Central Park West at 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.960 an apartment building that I actually looked for an apartment in, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:11.240 not realizing it was Charlotte's apartment building. This is very meta, 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.200 so meta, and I was like, oh god, I can't 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:14.000 live here. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.480 Like like it's too much. 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:18.640 If I was just going to work out the door 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.280 with that that frilly iron work, this door looks familiar, 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.280 and they were like, yeah, you filmed, yeah, the door, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.960 So sorry that you and a number of other things. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.320 I think like other other men have been standing at 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.880 that door with me in the beginnings out there, the 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.760 husband I know, and just just sampling all kinds of 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.040 different people. Wait, was it is it? No Brad the 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.000 bad yet Ross Gibby. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.240 Rosy say in real life he's like, I'm not that bad. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.600 This is I'm sure he was acting that almost. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.000 Like just like liquor liquor and I would just be like, ah, 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.560 it was hard to watch it. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.880 It was it, yeah, because you're like, yeah, man, that's bad. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:01.240 It was bad. It was. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.160 You need coaching, though I thought was nice because you 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.760 were always trying to like you were really trying to 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:09.800 get the guys to. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.520 Let me help. Yeah, just just like that unless you're. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.280 Not giving up on the guys straight away. The girls 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:19.120 got like dump. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.640 Kiss because he does seem really nice. We never see 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.720 him other than when he's like my face. But previous 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.680 to that, in real life, I had there's a guy 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.360 and he had a prominent chin, and I have a 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.000 prominent chin, and I had gone to work with like 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.600 a like a rug burn on my chin. Wow, you 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.280 know when you just really kissed a lot. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.440 Okay, I've never had rugbun on my chin. 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.840 I couldn't find okay, but you know when you've kissed 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.000 a lot, right, sure, yeah, and it's fun. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:53.760 for sure, for sure, for sure it was like that. 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.200 But I had like a like a scrape on my 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.720 chin like a kid would get if they fell down. 0:15:58.880 --> 0:15:59.160 Wow. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.120 Yeah. And it was fun, it was worth it. But 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:03.960 then it was bad at work, do you know what 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.320 I mean, to the point where I think they had 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.800 to go in and post and fix it. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.160 Really yeah, it was. 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.480 It's the really embarrassing. It's second season. It's when the 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:24.240 old Man the sex Charlotte has a guy who falls 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.120 asleep while she's having sex with him, so she goes. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:27.800 She gets the girls to go with her to a 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.200 workshop given by this older lady who demonstrates on her husband. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.200 Right, and then that's when bad episode. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:35.640 I had like a scab on my chin. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:36.200 Wow. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.360 And I sit in the episode like this, oh see. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.880 So then Michael Patrick had me sit in the coffee 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:46.280 shop of the Kissings with my you don't see it 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.560 for the longest time. So I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm listening, 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.320 and then I take my hand down there. 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.360 Like wow, I know it's very It was. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.800 Him writing in something from life, which is bad behavior 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:57.320 on his part. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:02.040 I mean it too. Everything is come on, we all 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.000 decend us some NOI efron. We just wanted to put 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.800 it all in there. That is the goal. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:07.560 So embarrassed. 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.320 Real life is better than fiction, that's true. That's true. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.280 Sometimes it is, but it's so embarrassing when you have 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.560 to play something that was your own thing. Which another 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.080 time that that happened. I did a play about people 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.359 wrongfully convicted and put on death row. Wow, and it 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.960 was all based on true stories. And we were downtown 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.359 off Broadway, and this interviewer came down to interview me 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.239 for the New York Times. I was so excited, right, 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.160 and they take your picture like they're not a photo shoot, 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:36.399 like while you're rehearsing, right, And when that piece came 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:37.840 out in the New York Times, there was like a 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:39.639 smudge on my upper lip and it looked like a 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.359 like a Hitler little mustache. So Michael Patrick wrote it 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.400 in for my engagement pictures. Do you remember this? 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:47.000 WHOA? 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.480 I like, open the paper and I'm like, oh, oh yeah, 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:51.959 that was from real life. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:53.919 Oh wow. You can't tell him anything. 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:54.639 I know it. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.600 He'll use it, right, But that's what good writers do, 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:57.919 I know. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.520 But we learned that. So then if you'd walk over, 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.359 we'd be like, get in there, right, and then we 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.359 told everybody that was always the writers, which usually it 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.720 was the writers right there and there, yeah, but occasionally 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.080 it would be so when that. But the thing that 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:15.000 was funny was that Nicole's direction to the guy was like, liquor, 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.119 How would I get a rug burn from the tongue? 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:17.800 I don't. 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:19.240 I don't think that would happen. 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.160 I just feel like there is a frame where he's 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:22.520 legit sucking on your chance. 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.640 Okay, but eye witness, do you feel like i'd have 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.000 like an open wound from that? You didn't bother you? 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.800 Okay, it didn't, But it's very given TV a. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:38.159 TV storyline, Yes, yes, yes, on the street even like 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.119 we're on the street, what would we be doing? I 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:45.840 mean yeah, yeah. And also I got my actual rug 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.480 burn from like a lot of kissing, right, not a 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.960