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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hi, everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte?

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Speaker 1: I am back with the incredible, knowledgeable, brilliant Alina Waite

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Speaker 1: for part two of Are You a Charlotte? Rewatching No

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Speaker 1: ifs ands or butts. All right, now, we have not

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Speaker 1: talked about all the different things. Let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit more because you know, we like talk about the

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Speaker 1: macro here.

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Speaker 2: I love that about you.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to get your point of view on

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Speaker 1: Aiden and Carrie. But Aiden especially because obviously at the

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Speaker 1: time that Aiden showed up, he was like the anti

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Speaker 1: big yes right when I see his little baby.

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Speaker 2: Face, Oh my gosh, hair, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Just so adorable. And he was always wearing what he wanted.

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Speaker 1: I just want to go on record about this because

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Speaker 1: people really criticized what he wore on just like that.

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Speaker 1: And I was at his fitting. I had pulled out

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Speaker 1: some things I had fitting right before him, and they

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Speaker 1: were like John is coming. I was like, oh, these

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Speaker 1: clothes are beautiful. So I pulled out all the beautiful things.

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Speaker 1: I put them together like I was picking outfits for Corbett, right,

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Speaker 1: and he got there and he was like no, And

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, all right, I'm leaving goodbye, right,

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Speaker 1: and I left Molly with him and he wanted that

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Speaker 1: narrow jacket thing. That's what he wanted to wear, right,

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Speaker 1: And then everybody was like, why did Molly Rogers put

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Speaker 1: him in that? She did not put him in that, right,

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Speaker 1: Like when he was wearing the double jean in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: that is Corbett right with the rings. This is Corbett, right,

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Speaker 1: No one put that on him.

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Speaker 3: Well, the child he is supposed to be, like, is

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Speaker 3: he like a Midwestern type guy?

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Speaker 2: I mean, ever say?

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 2: Where Maybe he doesn't say that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because remember he had been on the

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Speaker 1: Northern Exposure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I remember that show.

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Speaker 3: I mean what I what I liked was the voiceover

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Speaker 3: is that he's very all American, right, so he's also

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Speaker 3: something that's been out of a rap Lauren ad you know,

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Speaker 2: They're wearing the dinner on dinner the turquoise way.

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Speaker 1: And he's got his longer hat. The dogs babyface, and

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Speaker 1: the dog who wants to hunt carry's legs about this.

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Speaker 1: And he makes.

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Speaker 3: Furniture, literally makes furniture, which is so dreamy a chair

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Speaker 3: that lives in the show long pastes him.

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Speaker 1: I had forgotten all of this.

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Speaker 3: His chair survives him. I think, you know, I think

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Speaker 3: I love the introduction of that character. I love how

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Speaker 3: has to choose to see him and cigarettes. And I

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Speaker 3: even googled. I said how addictive are cigarettes? And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I just googled because I'm not a smokeer, but I saidtive, like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there was like there is addictive as

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Speaker 2: So you really feel for her, you know, trying to think.

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Speaker 1: About and everything right.

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Speaker 3: But what I do appreciate is that she's willing to

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Speaker 1: We all hate that I forgot about or were like

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Speaker 1: he's right, yeah, like we put up with it, Like

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Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, you should listen to him.

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Speaker 3: Well, but doesn't even listen. It's more about it's not

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Speaker 3: that's what's so great about that argument is because you

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Speaker 1: Definitely, absolutely. I mean I feel like.

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Speaker 3: Also, if anybody's ever kissed somebody who just tooked a cigarette.

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Speaker 1: And he goes, you know, I can't date a smoke her.

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Speaker 1: Throw's character like he plays two writers. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: the writers? His first rider is like kind of an ick, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Like all night long, you're just in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot. There was a lot. I know.

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Speaker 1: I just want to talk about Aiden some more. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of Aiden when I

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think I think Aiden is actually quite old fashioned.

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Speaker 2: In a good way. Yeah, I mean, I think just

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's good or bad, you know,

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Speaker 3: but I think, and obviously I love I started. It's Netflix,

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Speaker 3: so the next episode begins, and you know, just kind

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Speaker 3: of let it all a little bit. But I do

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Speaker 3: love the episode where he waits to have sex with Carrie.

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Speaker 1: I've forgotten about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, She's a little like what is happening?

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Speaker 3: And I think that to me again, what's cool about

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Speaker 2: Interesting because for.

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Speaker 2: I want to really continue to get to know you.

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Speaker 3: And it shows his maturity and that he's like, look,

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Speaker 2: Their own people. How much micro manager do you need

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Speaker 3: You have to have conflicts in TV, not complaining. But

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Speaker 3: I do think there's this idea if he hadn't been

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I like that so much. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: That little little baby face of his is so adorable,

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Speaker 3: Or is this what I actually want? And I think

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Speaker 3: we as individuals have to really decipher what is what

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm grateful to not have had that experience.

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Speaker 1: They're like it. Please go ahead, go ahead, as you

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Speaker 3: Even like, we're all humans having a human experience? Absolutely

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't don't let it get in the way.

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Speaker 1: Be open minded, open you live a better life.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely true. I'm a testament to that.

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Speaker 1: I think I am too. Yeah, in my own way.

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Speaker 3: you don't.

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Speaker 2: We all are. Yes.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to be partnered, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: That's right, Lena. We want you every week. We love

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Speaker 2: You're amazing, You're amazing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having so wise and wonderful. I'm just

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Speaker 2: Twice person, to come a second time, and.

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Speaker 1: Rightly so you should have a place of honor.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm honored. You know. I study the show you

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Speaker 2: studied in real time. I continue to study.

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Speaker 1: I know it.

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Speaker 2: I love it. You know, it's a joy, and it's

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Speaker 2: it's a time capsule for us.

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Speaker 1: And also I never know what you're going to say,

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Speaker 1: and I love that so much. You know, I love

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Speaker 1: that you have a point of view that's unique in

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Speaker 1: your own and so well studied. Right, It's not like

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Speaker 1: you're like knee jerk. You're you have a lot of evidence,

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of deep thought, and I appreciate

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Speaker 1: that so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm gratefully that you'rereciate it.

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Speaker 1: When I first as Lena before we started the podcast,

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Speaker 1: she was like, I say, I wrote to her, you're

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Speaker 1: an encyclopedia and she was like, well, thank god, someone

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Speaker 1: wants that.

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Speaker 2: That was like, I do I want everybody does?

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Speaker 1: I get it? But whatever, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love you. I love you too.

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Speaker 2: I know they have to wrap us up.

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Speaker 1: We just be here,