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Speaker 1: still talking and tweeting about.
Speaker 2: Ray Drop.
Speaker 1: She's here and, in the words of Caroline from Polta, guys,
Speaker 1: she's bad. I'm here with my friend, y'all favorite. She
Speaker 1: is the one who y'all love when we recap. She
Speaker 1: is Mike Virgin of Kelly Rippa and I'm her Marcus
Speaker 1: Filas give it all, casey baby.
Speaker 3: Would we have a passionate marriage if we were together
Speaker 3: and straight? But I mean, I'm straight, but you're not
Speaker 3: so if we wait.
Speaker 1: Those straight listen, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we have a passionate dinner conversations, We'll have passionate shopping experiences.
Speaker 1: You will be smiling from air to air for the
Speaker 1: rest of your life.
Speaker 2: Would you be satisfied? Not sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to tell you that as a as
Speaker 3: a girlfriend, wife, I hate when someone's like, can you
Speaker 3: come and sit down and rub my arm and like
Speaker 3: pay attention to me that I'm a girlfriend. That our
Speaker 3: wife who's like, I'm really busy right now, she's take
Speaker 3: a chase. You have to chase me, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: What's your sign, Kate?
Speaker 3: Oh, I know with like a heisty's rising moon or something.
Speaker 3: So that means I'm like, I'm a fiery person, but
Speaker 3: can be empathetic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, you are a woman who is
Speaker 1: so self assured about yourself. Yes, like you know you
Speaker 1: and no one else can tell Kate Kasey, Who the
Speaker 1: fuck Kate Casey is.
Speaker 3: Back the fuck off? Yeah, you're damn right. That's why we're.
Speaker 2: Getna lock so well.
Speaker 1: So, Kate, we have a lot to catch up on,
Speaker 1: uh before we get into part one. Of the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Ors County reunion. I want to do some
Speaker 1: housekeeping with a few housewife franchises and just to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts on it. The first thing first, it was
Speaker 1: recently revealed that The Real Housewives of Dubai is on
Speaker 1: Paul's after two seasons.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Are you surprised.
Speaker 3: No. I think it's a real snooze fest. But I
Speaker 3: also think that the industry is scrambling right now. No
Speaker 3: one's buying shows, no one's making shows. I think that
Speaker 3: we're probably going to see more stuff like Q three
Speaker 3: A twenty twenty five. They're still trying to catch up
Speaker 3: from COVID, you know, and listen, we're in a social
Speaker 3: media landscape where people create their own reality shows on
Speaker 3: TikTok for up to ten minutes. I have been telling
Speaker 3: my friends that work behind the scenes, and they think
Speaker 3: I'm crazy. I would if you can't get a job
Speaker 3: on a TV show, I would have influencers pay you
Speaker 3: to create their reality shows. That's the future.
Speaker 2: Smart like business model.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I would do. Or I would be
Speaker 3: you know, I would work with like athletes who to
Speaker 3: for them to curate their own media channels. Professional athletes.
Speaker 3: That's what I would do.
Speaker 1: No, it's super smart because listen, kay, you're accurate at
Speaker 1: somebody whose job is to create shows, as I on
Speaker 1: my own production company. It is the sort of crisis
Speaker 1: that's going on to where networks aren't buying in volume
Speaker 1: like they used to, and you're seeing that with one
Speaker 1: program airing and then after it goes off, it's just
Speaker 1: a bunch of repeats, whereas back in our day you
Speaker 1: could watch the real house spots at Billy Hills, then
Speaker 1: that had the pump rules, then another show, then the
Speaker 1: watch What Happens Live. You're lucky if you get anything
Speaker 1: to air after a show that comes on a nine
Speaker 1: o'clock It is a crisis. And when it comes to buy,
Speaker 1: what I have heard is the fact that it's a
Speaker 1: very expensive show, which.
Speaker 3: Is no surprising anybody question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is an international show, unlike other shows in different
Speaker 1: cities where you have a local crew and it's not
Speaker 1: that expensive to fly a crew member to do pickups,
Speaker 1: to do interviews when the season raps. Imagine flying producers
Speaker 1: and a camera crew to the buy after the season
Speaker 1: raps to do interviews like it's not cost effective. Not
Speaker 1: only that the show unfortunately never met its mark. And
Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you, Kate, I haven't
Speaker 1: watched any of season two.
Speaker 3: It was a snooze fest. Yeah it was snoozy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what went wrong?
Speaker 1: You think in terms of people not really being engaged
Speaker 1: with that show, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think you felt like there were authentic friendships. I
Speaker 3: don't think their their stories were that compelling. I think
Speaker 3: they leaned into watch into dumb fights, and I wanted
Speaker 3: to see more about their culture. If you're going to
Speaker 3: go a different pocket of the world with the completely
Speaker 3: different viewpoint of lifestyle, culture, et cetera, like lean into that.
Speaker 3: I want to see what makes their what is their
Speaker 3: day like? Where do they go shopping, what do the
Speaker 3: grocery stores look like? Where do they hang out? And
Speaker 3: they focused on like like Potomac. I felt like for
Speaker 3: many seasons it was just like fighting at a dinner table.
Speaker 3: I think they adopted that and they lost what really
Speaker 3: makes each franchise so unique and special. You know how
Speaker 3: you one time said to me, Real Housewives the Salt
Speaker 3: Lake City could be called Real Housewives of Sedona and
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know any different. Yes, it's like that with
Speaker 3: Dubai and what a shame if you're going to go
Speaker 3: all the way to that part of the world.
Speaker 2: No, it is so true. And speaking of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched this season, so this week in Kate,
Speaker 1: one of my rain drops, tweeted me and said, you
Speaker 1: have to watch this season.
Speaker 2: Bron When is killing it.
Speaker 1: And I've seen clips online of Brama being great, and
Speaker 1: I was like, let me just watch it. I tried
Speaker 1: to watch it, Kate. In fifteen minutes, I cut it
Speaker 1: back off. And I think it's because what you said.
Speaker 1: I feel like that. Listen, this is my opinion. This
Speaker 1: is my opinion. When I'm watching Salt Lake City. I
Speaker 1: was watching an episode that aired two weeks ago because
Speaker 1: I want to catch up in at least bench three.
Speaker 2: And it was when, oh my god, this is so bad.
Speaker 1: Was Angie Angie k was throwing some like party whether
Speaker 1: it being was like the Greek.
Speaker 3: Gangster something mafia, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then you had like this mafia guy walking to
Speaker 1: the door putting up wanted signs and I was like,
Speaker 1: this does not happen in real life, Nobody, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you what happens.
Speaker 3: And then this the episode after this is why you're
Speaker 3: gonna hang on for just with one one finger on
Speaker 3: the cliff. Okay, Okay, Bronwyn is married to this older guy,
Speaker 3: and we know that Bronwyn had a daughter when she
Speaker 3: was like nineteen. That birth father said, I'm out. She
Speaker 3: had some meeting with the grandparents, and the grandparents and
Speaker 3: the birth father were like, we don't want you to
Speaker 3: have the baby, I think, sadly, a situation that happens
Speaker 3: a lot in this country. So she decided to be
Speaker 3: a single mother. That birth father died I think two
Speaker 3: years later. She her daughter has never known anyone in
Speaker 3: the birth father's family. So because or So, she goes
Speaker 3: to the airport after the trip with Lisa Barlowe and
Speaker 3: they're sitting in at the airport. It's not filmed, we talk.
Speaker 3: We hear about this later they figure out that Lisa's
Speaker 3: Lisa's family is close friends with the birth father's family.
Speaker 3: So She's like, no, they're really good people and you
Speaker 3: should get to know them. And Bron's like, really, because
Speaker 3: they have not helped me raise my child at all,
Speaker 3: so they can suck it. So, because she's frustrated, she
Speaker 3: projects her frustration with that family onto Lisa and that
Speaker 3: spills over into this trip they take to Palm Springs.
Speaker 3: Now you know how they do this when they join
Speaker 3: the show and they're like, we want to show you
Speaker 3: how much money do we have. They take them on
Speaker 3: a private jet which they rented probably, and they go
Speaker 3: to Palm Springs and it says thirty thousand dollars a
Speaker 3: night for this big home. And she's got this older
Speaker 3: husband and she keeps telling us it's she's not a
Speaker 3: gold digger. They've got this real love story. But he's
Speaker 3: a total curmudgeon. And she and Lisa start fighting because
Speaker 3: of the projection issues, and he walks in and tells
Speaker 3: Lisa's husband that, you know, they got to stop fighting.
Speaker 3: We're going to have to go. But there's a scene
Speaker 3: that's very Erica tom Girardi where Curmudge and husband goes
Speaker 3: into the kitchen and he's like, I don't like this.
Speaker 3: I don't And the way she looks at the floor,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, there's a lot to unpack. Also should
Speaker 3: note they pull this pretty woman scene where they have
Speaker 3: a jewelry person drive up from la to the Palm
Speaker 3: Springs rental to show them two pieces of jewelry, one
Speaker 3: a pair of diamond earrings and a diamond necklace with
Speaker 3: the price tag of four million dollars. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of unpack You're like, are you a gold digger?
Speaker 3: What's going on with your marriage? Did you marry Tom Girardi?
Speaker 3: Why are you so angry at Lisa? Why did you
Speaker 3: get this rentaled? Can you guys actually reford this? Are
Speaker 3: you spending way too much money? And what's really going
Speaker 3: on with your husband? And did you do this al
Speaker 3: La Camille Grammar because you want a life after this
Speaker 3: marriage goes to put see.
Speaker 1: Okay, So my thing is this lead with that as
Speaker 1: somebody who is a housewife fanatic. I am I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in this sort of like caricature of how you know,
Speaker 1: a mafia bodyguard pulls up the people's homes and least
Speaker 1: wanted posters on their door.
Speaker 3: I don't think I think it makes you realize the
Speaker 3: angie it doesn't really have much. She just like she
Speaker 3: just can't be over the top outfits. That's it. That's
Speaker 3: all she's giving to the show.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested. What I am interested is exactly what
Speaker 2: Kate said. So if you lead with that, you'll have.
Speaker 1: Someone like Carlos King talk about your show on Twitter
Speaker 1: and on my podcast, because that's the ship that I
Speaker 1: want to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real story, personal.
Speaker 2: Story, which is what you and I love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Victory's triumphs, pain, bitterness, regret.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay. Because of you, I'm gonna tap back
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know do you're gonna. I just need you
Speaker 3: to watch last week's Episode's I want to go back
Speaker 3: to square one. You don't need to. It's like a
Speaker 3: soap opera. You dip in and you go, I got it.
Speaker 3: I don't need to go you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: The General Hospital. You haven't seen it for twenty years,
Speaker 3: and you know exactly what's going on exactly.
Speaker 1: You don't have to, like okay, So my mistake was
Speaker 1: I was trying to like watch previous episodes before last week,
Speaker 1: so like, no, it's like General Hospital. Just catch up
Speaker 1: and in two months it's the same shit.
Speaker 2: Got it, same got it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So I'll watch that tonight and I'll report
Speaker 1: back to you. Now we have to get into the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York City.
Speaker 3: Why that's a born show too. I mean why I
Speaker 3: was seen with like Jenna Lyons in a closet with
Speaker 3: her girlfriend's mother. I can't see the girlfriend. I don't
Speaker 3: see any of her friends. I don't go to work
Speaker 3: with her. Why why is she on the show? What's happening?
Speaker 2: I want to ask you this?
Speaker 3: And what's going on with Abe and Aaron Ave and Aaron.
Speaker 3: I feel like they're going to be Slitzville. Uh, Jessel,
Speaker 3: I love j justl's a person, but I don't like
Speaker 3: her on the show because she's like acting.
Speaker 2: They're all acting.
Speaker 1: To me, it feels like bad auditions, Like all of
Speaker 1: them are auditioning to be on Merro's place.
Speaker 2: It's over acting. It's horrible.
Speaker 1: You are a woman who lives in Orange County prior
Speaker 1: to this show, did you have any idea who jenn
Speaker 1: Alliance was?
Speaker 3: Yes? I did. I'm a nerd. I actually interview.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: She also like she had a documentary series which was
Speaker 3: excellent on HBO that was more her speed. It was
Speaker 3: about her business.
Speaker 2: So she needs to be a shark tank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not This is not the place for her.
Speaker 3: She also is with somebody who doesn't want to be
Speaker 3: on TV, just like the girl Braun went on Real
Speaker 3: Housewives of Salt Lake City. Like you brought your curmudge
Speaker 3: and husband who doesn't want a film? Why are you
Speaker 3: on the show?
Speaker 2: And more importantly, why were they let on this show
Speaker 2: knowing that?
Speaker 3: Thank you? Okay, can we jump? And then we need
Speaker 3: to jump for one second to real housewis Orange County
Speaker 3: Because Katie, I feel like that was a casting miss step,
Speaker 3: and I'll tell you why. Because she can't talk about
Speaker 3: the previous relationship with the ex husband, which sounds very volatile.
Speaker 3: So then it leaves room for people to start poking
Speaker 3: at your stories because you can't tell the full story
Speaker 3: because it's too legally complicated. I don't I think that's
Speaker 3: a swing in a miss You can't do that. You're
Speaker 3: gonna have somebody to tell the story about, like a
Speaker 3: previous marriage which ended with children living in other states.
Speaker 3: You have to tell the full story.
Speaker 2: One, one hundred percent. So let's get right in two bays.
Speaker 1: Oh say so, if we're going to recap right now,
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, I'm gonna watch last week's episode today Dubai.
Speaker 1: We're not surprised and we don't think the show deserves
Speaker 1: to come back.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I love I love the girls.
Speaker 3: Caroline Stanbury should move back to London and do the
Speaker 3: Ladies or a Real Housewives of DC excuse me, Real
Speaker 3: Housewives of London film or a show that they're filming.
Speaker 3: They're just going to be on HEYU because literally no
Speaker 3: one's buying stuff, So that's where it's going to go to.
Speaker 3: Hey you.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Kate. And when it comes to
Speaker 1: the Royal House wash of New York City, I strongly
Speaker 1: believe this would be their last season.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with yeah, yep, last one.
Speaker 2: And and let me know if you agree with me.
Speaker 1: I think with the failure of this reboot, they're not
Speaker 1: going to reboot Jersey in this magnitude.
Speaker 3: I hope not. I think it's bad.
Speaker 2: Agreed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At this point, Carlos King exclusive it kay Casey gets
Speaker 1: it first because the Royal House Wasp of New York
Speaker 1: City is Michael Jackson bad like horrible. This this reboot
Speaker 1: is not great, Carlos, Kate is telling the world exclusively.
Speaker 1: I do not want Jersey to suffer and I would
Speaker 1: rather live for another season of Teresa Melissa on Jersey.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Danny Plagreno said to me last week, and
Speaker 3: I think he's right. What they should have done was
Speaker 3: keep leg see and thrown in some new people that
Speaker 3: may have worked. It's but whatever, Listen, we can't fix
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 2: We can't fix the world.
Speaker 1: But what we can't fix is what's going on on
Speaker 1: the OC reunion.
Speaker 2: So let's get right into it. Let's talk about Katie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Katie is a mystery to me, and they did
Speaker 1: a great well.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: I felt like Emily Simpson was the host of the
Speaker 1: reunion because the way she sort of hijacked Andy C
Speaker 1: and his microphone and his que cards.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Emily was on.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Emily was told that she had
Speaker 1: to give tons of commentary or her job was in jeopardy.
Speaker 1: But Emily to me, and I like Emily a lot,
Speaker 1: and I thought, Jedda.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what happened, she was insufferable. Go ahead,
Speaker 3: let's tell you what happened.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: I think that they all get mad when certain people
Speaker 3: get attention where they're like this fool. You guys love
Speaker 3: her and why so you think she got mad about
Speaker 3: the Jennifer stuff because she's saying he's totally fine, he
Speaker 3: got immunity. But she's a Dodo brain and doesn't really understand,
Speaker 3: and so I think Emily jumped in because she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're seriously never gonna address this. So it's like two things.
Speaker 3: It's like Andy doesn't want to like go too into
Speaker 3: it too much because it's a legal issue that has
Speaker 3: that is off the show right right, So there's only
Speaker 3: so much you can do as a host. So we're
Speaker 3: gonna throw him some flowers. But Emily's probably also mad.
Speaker 3: This is what my assumption is, and I think I'm
Speaker 3: always right, is that they all get mad when the
Speaker 3: show airs and they think, oh, everyone's gonna hate that person,
Speaker 3: and then when they get praised, they're like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: this shit's not happening on my watch. Because they've been
Speaker 3: on the show for years and they go through seasons
Speaker 3: where they're like, everyone's gonna love me, and then they
Speaker 3: hate them, and then they're like, you're gonna take me
Speaker 3: down for doing X y Z. But then we're gonna
Speaker 3: let this fool get get through. What the show is
Speaker 3: really about what happens off the show, And I think.
Speaker 2: That that's what's happening. No, I can say to you
Speaker 2: A lot of people thought.
Speaker 1: That Katie Jen and Shannon were going to be disliked
Speaker 1: this season Shannon courtesy of having a dui, Katie because
Speaker 1: she's new and she does have a voice. And Jim
Speaker 1: because you know, people think her boyfriend Ryan is like
Speaker 1: a scammer. And what's been interesting is it totally flipped
Speaker 1: the other way, like people love those three.
Speaker 3: Because everybody hates cameras so much. So if you hate
Speaker 3: one person, then the pendulum has to swing back to
Speaker 3: the other side. But you know, if you come back
Speaker 3: next season and you don't take you take Alexis out,
Speaker 3: that changes everything up.
Speaker 2: Was Alexis a flop to you?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why? Uh?
Speaker 3: The only thing that I think she brought well, I
Speaker 3: think in terms of like who is each person there,
Speaker 3: what's their singular story? And then how do they add value?
Speaker 3: The only value they had is creating a television situation
Speaker 3: where you see someone who has been on the show
Speaker 3: for quite some time literally unravel, literally unravel on camera.
Speaker 3: It seemed very nasty, pointed, mean and conniving to do that.
Speaker 3: I didn't learn anything more about her personal story. I
Speaker 3: would have liked to have her say, wow, some of
Speaker 3: the things that I said when I was on the show,
Speaker 3: when I was with a seemingly misogynistic person. I do
Speaker 3: not believe in that anymore. I have found my own power.
Speaker 3: Never addressed it. She just seems like she just got
Speaker 3: a different relationship and took on that guy's personality. So
Speaker 3: what have I learned about you? Where's the evolution? What
Speaker 3: our value did you bring to the show as a
Speaker 3: singular person and your evolution and as a cast member?
Speaker 3: Like I think half the people were like, why are
Speaker 3: you on the show. That's why I did like Emily
Speaker 3: because she was like, you're dumb, dumb, and uh, I'm
Speaker 3: not bringing I'm not here for what you're bringing. We
Speaker 3: need that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I know, I said to you. I loved
Speaker 1: Emily up until this reunion part one. I want to
Speaker 1: give her some grades part one.
Speaker 2: Part one.
Speaker 1: She did too much prior to part one, I said
Speaker 1: my podcast, there was like this sort of like protest.
Speaker 3: She's right, She's always like that. Emily always shows up
Speaker 3: at the reunion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I loved her so much this season because
Speaker 1: I felt like she stepped in when she had to.
Speaker 2: I love me. She read Alexis birth filth.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, I love it, she said, shut up,
Speaker 1: don't talk like I loved everything.
Speaker 2: I listen. I like Alexus a lot.
Speaker 1: I thought it was great that she was cast because
Speaker 1: obviously she's dating John Janssen, and I want I want
Speaker 1: to I want to see that story.
Speaker 2: I believe two things happen.
Speaker 1: I'll give Alexus some grace in the sense of she's
Speaker 1: a friend of and we are friend up to the show.
Speaker 1: You do not get as much airtime to tell your
Speaker 1: personal story, right, So she was out of deficit, so
Speaker 1: I want the world to know that.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, but she.
Speaker 3: Had previously been on, so there's a history, so you
Speaker 3: have to address that stuff.
Speaker 2: No, and that's why I agree with you. I And
Speaker 2: so my second.
Speaker 1: Point agree with you is because she was a familiar
Speaker 1: faith Alexis should have came on and said, Hi, last
Speaker 1: time you saw me, I wait, you know a Stepford
Speaker 1: wife in suburbia and I was married to this guy
Speaker 1: and I I was I was in control of my boys. However,
Speaker 1: since then, things have changed and you're meeting the new
Speaker 1: Alexis and get to know me whatever. I also think too,
Speaker 1: it was too much of the Shannon thing. And that's
Speaker 1: the reason why I think Alexis and we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens this week.
Speaker 2: In Part two, you know.
Speaker 3: What it else makes me and you, I know you're
Speaker 3: going to feel this because you're from a big family.
Speaker 3: It's not fun to watch someone shit on somebody who's
Speaker 3: trying to get themselves out of a hole. We always
Speaker 3: say we want the best for every housewife. She's clearly
Speaker 3: really struggling. Why are we gonna be the worse for her?
Speaker 3: Why are we doing that?
Speaker 2: Yes? And that brings me to Tamra Child.
Speaker 1: We are just getting started. This is reality with the
Speaker 1: King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 1: Tamar clearly listened to everybody, whether it was a tweet, me,
Speaker 1: the producer who said to her, you have to calm down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just have to calm down. I thought tam
Speaker 2: did a.
Speaker 1: Good job immediately apologizing as Shannon, because even Tamar was
Speaker 1: too much, and I enjoyed the fact that she said
Speaker 1: it immediately. The problem is this, Shannon has been on
Speaker 1: the show for ten years, and Shannon could see right through, like,
Speaker 1: you're only doing this because social media is right, you
Speaker 1: fulfilled And I don't believe your apology for a second.
Speaker 2: Do you believe Tamar really is.
Speaker 1: Apologetic or do you think she was trying to get
Speaker 1: in front of the story.
Speaker 3: Probably trying to get in front of the story. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I think when you're friends with someone that long
Speaker 3: and they've been through this unique experience, and you have
Speaker 3: a friend who is struggling and doesn't want to get help,
Speaker 3: you don't suddenly turn the switch off and then become
Speaker 3: all zen and meditation. You just don't. There's too much
Speaker 3: anger resentment, which I think is a problem with the
Speaker 3: show right now, because you want to watch a show
Speaker 3: about a group of friends who actually care about each other,
Speaker 3: and I think it's to the point of no return
Speaker 3: with those two.
Speaker 1: I think so too, And listen, I love Tamara and
Speaker 1: Tama's great for this show, and I think we all
Speaker 1: can agree Kate that Tamarra is needed for the show.
Speaker 1: I do think tamar went too far, and if I
Speaker 1: could offer some grades to Tamara, I said this to
Speaker 1: my podcast too. Obviously, Tamra and Shannon were best friends,
Speaker 1: and Tamarra has seen more things about Shannon, or no
Speaker 1: more things about Shannon than you and I could ever
Speaker 1: think of based on what we're.
Speaker 2: Watching on the show.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't make an excuse for yelling out your
Speaker 1: drunk and I don't care if you dislike Shannon or
Speaker 1: like Shannon. I'm not the biggest fan of Shannon, but
Speaker 1: I don't dislike her.
Speaker 2: I love Tamarra.
Speaker 1: However, when tamar yelled that at her across the table,
Speaker 1: I felt so bad for Shannon.
Speaker 2: I felt horrible for her because.
Speaker 1: Like you said at at the end of the days,
Speaker 1: it's humiliating and she's struggling.
Speaker 2: Alcoholism is a disease.
Speaker 1: It's a disease, and it's easy to say stop drinking. However,
Speaker 1: it's not that easy for a person who's struggling with that.
Speaker 3: It's like saying, as somebody who's struggling with their weight,
Speaker 3: just go on a diet. What's your problem?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, it is. It is. Now. Speaking of
Speaker 2: the meeting, let's get into the k thing. Okay, So Katie, who.
Speaker 3: I thought you meant me? I was like, wait, what,
Speaker 3: I'm on the show.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Katie, to correct myself, Katie.
Speaker 1: Emily Esquire decided to read up on everything that all
Speaker 1: these women are going through, and Katie is up next
Speaker 1: on the docket. So Katie is a new housewife where
Speaker 1: till this listen, as of today, I don't dislike Katie
Speaker 1: I don't love her.
Speaker 2: I think she's okay. And the reason why I think
Speaker 2: she's okay.
Speaker 1: Is that cast is so strong, and Katie does not
Speaker 1: do a good job at defending herself. She does have
Speaker 1: answers to everything. I think she my opinion, I think
Speaker 1: Katie is very prepared. I think her answers are so
Speaker 1: carefully chosen because she studied it the way Emily had
Speaker 1: to teach Shane how to study for the bar exam.
Speaker 2: Right, you know.
Speaker 1: You are mother and you are with your children every day,
Speaker 1: and obviously you have a great marriage to your husband.
Speaker 1: When a woman doesn't have well a mother, when a
Speaker 1: mother doesn't have full cousin of her kids and the
Speaker 1: son and Katie said, it's not me, and the son
Speaker 1: decides to stay with his dad. And it was revealed
Speaker 1: at this reunion Kate that Katie decided to.
Speaker 2: Let her children be with their dad.
Speaker 1: Because she said at the time she couldn't afford to
Speaker 1: have a lifestyle for them, which I understand too. What
Speaker 1: do you make of all of because a lot of
Speaker 1: people are like Katie, something else is going on to
Speaker 1: where this story still isn't making sense to a lot
Speaker 1: of people.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that she is legally prevented from disgusting
Speaker 3: certain aspects of it, So that's why there are all
Speaker 3: these missing pieces and she can't address them. So I
Speaker 3: think she should have been actually been a friend of
Speaker 3: the show, because then you have the luxury of like
Speaker 3: going and participating in things, but you don't have to
Speaker 3: crack yourself all the way open. And it doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like she's comfortable doing it, and I think it really
Speaker 3: makes it difficult for production to follow her because you're
Speaker 3: never going to get access to that piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 1: Yes, and to me, it's such a strong piece to
Speaker 1: the puzzle because if you're going to bring up the
Speaker 1: fact that your daughter lives with you but your son doesn't,
Speaker 1: any person would be like, wait a second, you don't
Speaker 1: have your.
Speaker 3: And the audience is mostly made out of moms, so
Speaker 3: let's to be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and so is this audience too. And that's
Speaker 1: the reason why listen, I'm not judging any situation, especially
Speaker 1: when I don't know the full details up. But it
Speaker 1: did raise the question, and when she gave the answer,
Speaker 1: obviously she was leaving things out. And you're right, perhaps
Speaker 1: there's a lot of legalities to it.
Speaker 2: But outside of that, even.
Speaker 3: The story, wait, let me put let me put it
Speaker 3: this way. If you have a cast member and they
Speaker 3: have a business and that business was sued and they
Speaker 3: were on the cover of Wall Street Journal and they
Speaker 3: were sued, and then they started to build another business
Speaker 3: up in their cast for the show, and you're like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, we got this person who was in the
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal uxpose on the show. And then you
Speaker 3: start filming and that person's like, well, because of legal issues,
Speaker 3: I really can't talk about it. Why were you hired? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can't. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we don't. And and as as an audience,
Speaker 1: we don't care. The reason why we are invested in
Speaker 1: Shannon's personal story with John Janson Alexis is because we
Speaker 1: saw the history of all all the parties.
Speaker 3: Involved and her and her credit. She bled for us,
Speaker 3: and that's why and that's why, Yeah, we're not down
Speaker 3: with Alexis. She bled for us.
Speaker 1: One thousand percent, one thousand percent. Shannon was the MVP
Speaker 1: this season. She gave a lot to it. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: ran away from a lot of dinner tables, but nonetheless
Speaker 1: she bled for us. She was able to give us
Speaker 1: receipts and conversations about what she was going through and
Speaker 1: even the moments with her daughter. The thing with Katie
Speaker 1: that I'm struggling with is I just don't know what
Speaker 1: to believe. Let's get into the situation that happened with
Speaker 1: the police officer.
Speaker 2: So bravo.
Speaker 3: Docat has an Instagram post today with the slides and
Speaker 3: they did all the digging so people can go there
Speaker 3: and kind of read it. But the net is it
Speaker 3: was from over a decade ago, and you don't get
Speaker 3: her side of the story in the police report, so
Speaker 3: you don't the end The end result was they were
Speaker 3: sort of on the fence. They didn't know who to believe,
Speaker 3: so it was dropped.
Speaker 2: Okay. So when she okay, so.
Speaker 3: You're just as confused as I am. And with solves
Speaker 3: the problem, you will be in a perpetual state of confusion.
Speaker 2: So let's let's let's let us talk about this Kate
Speaker 2: and stopping when I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: So allegedly and there was in Georgia, correct, Yes, it
Speaker 1: was in Georgia, the state of Georgia.
Speaker 3: So let's driving on the highway in Georgia.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Okay, Katie's driving, and she's allegedly texting while
Speaker 1: he's driving with the carpool kids. Yeah, a guide in
Speaker 1: another car sees this and pretty much yells at her
Speaker 1: to get.
Speaker 2: Off the phone.
Speaker 3: According to him, yes, okay, they.
Speaker 1: Get in to a little she Katie's alleging that this
Speaker 1: guy is pretty much chasing her in the car, correct, right, right, okay.
Speaker 2: But it was revealed that Katie followed him to his home.
Speaker 3: According to the story, yes, and.
Speaker 1: Then he called the cops because she was on his property.
Speaker 3: That's well, that's what I gather.
Speaker 1: And then the cops shows up, they arrested him.
Speaker 3: Well, he was acting erratic, Okay, acting another part of it,
Speaker 3: So that there you go. This is like one of
Speaker 3: those things where you're like, okay, it's like a ping
Speaker 3: pong match and you're like, oh, okay, oh what are
Speaker 3: we all right? So at the end of it, if
Speaker 3: you go to the last side of the Bravo doc
Speaker 3: a Instagram, it's like, well, the charges were like were
Speaker 3: never there were no charges because the police could not
Speaker 3: make heads or tails of it, like who instigated it,
Speaker 3: what happened? So that's my problem. But this whole thing
Speaker 3: is I can't go season after season trying to figure
Speaker 3: it out. I have enough documentaries. I need to figure
Speaker 3: out time jobs. This is too much.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out Dallas. Yes, exactly, go ahead.
Speaker 3: She and she's just not very forthcoming, so it's hard.
Speaker 3: But I think it's a lot of legal issues that's.
Speaker 1: A problem, and their lives are problem is the legal
Speaker 1: issues with her first husband, who obviously is not signing
Speaker 1: the release to be mentioned on the show, nor his son.
Speaker 1: The reason why the daughter's able to be mentioned on
Speaker 1: the show is because the daughter's are eighteen, so she's
Speaker 1: able to sign off her own rights to appear on
Speaker 1: the show too. So that's why audience Katie's daughters able
Speaker 1: to do it, but her son isn't. Then you have
Speaker 1: this legal situation where look, Heather Debro said, you are
Speaker 1: you're used to falsely accusing somebody.
Speaker 2: Do you know how long this man was in jail?
Speaker 2: Was like a few hours?
Speaker 3: I don't know, because that's.
Speaker 2: The other piece of the puzzle was seeing Jael for days.
Speaker 1: I think what was interesting about it is she followed
Speaker 1: him to his home.
Speaker 2: With her kids in the car.
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why there are people who are
Speaker 1: like it's wild.
Speaker 3: So I think that that's why the audience is frustrated
Speaker 3: because they want more information to figure out like what
Speaker 3: is really happening here, because we live in a time
Speaker 3: where there are questions about like legal issues, police issues.
Speaker 3: I think the audio house audience require or they want
Speaker 3: more information than they've ever wanted it, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: things may have happened in the earlier seasons where it's
Speaker 3: just sort of like it gets like kind of passed over.
Speaker 3: The sophisticated twenty twenty four audience wants to know every
Speaker 3: single piece of the puzzle. And if you can't, then
Speaker 3: people jump to jump to assumptions that's jack me dangerous.
Speaker 2: No, and it is, and it makes a lot of
Speaker 2: sense based on that. You know, when she talked about.
Speaker 1: Her kids, and this was the first time we saw
Speaker 1: Katie get emotional, and it propelled Heather Debre to walk
Speaker 1: up to her and give her condolences what happened, apologize
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 2: What do you make of that?
Speaker 1: Do you think Heather realized, oh shit, this could go
Speaker 1: back for me. If the audience, you know, sees this
Speaker 1: as a minority woman who was profile by the police,
Speaker 1: or do you think Heather was sincere And.
Speaker 3: Who really knows, But Heather strikes me as somebody who's like,
Speaker 3: this isn't worth it, Like, I don't even know if
Speaker 3: she's gonna be on the show next season, so why
Speaker 3: are we bothering? I think that's the way Housewife think.
Speaker 3: I don't think they think in broad scopes like that. Seriously.
Speaker 2: No, I'm laughing because it's true.
Speaker 3: Do you think most of them are like, Wow, I
Speaker 3: really didn't think about the cultural implications of blah bla
Speaker 3: blah blah. No, so like you're gonna be fire next season?
Speaker 3: So kissing ship.
Speaker 2: What do you make of Katie's husband?
Speaker 3: He's lovely. I've spent time with him. I really love him.
Speaker 3: He's a wonderful cutie.
Speaker 2: He's so cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I went to the beach one day and they
Speaker 3: were there, and I was walking up with you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of kids and a lot of ship, and
Speaker 3: he walked all the way out and picked up all
Speaker 3: this stuff and carried it all the way. Real gentleman,
Speaker 3: very nice.
Speaker 2: Oh he's a great guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really really nice person.
Speaker 2: Do you think Katie will come back next season? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I do. I do because I think real friendship is
Speaker 3: important for the for the loituvity of these shows and
Speaker 3: jenn Is staying because she's got these this crazy story
Speaker 3: chasing her and she's going to need a friend. But
Speaker 3: I don't I think she'll come back to Katy go
Speaker 3: come back to the show. But I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's better. I feel like it may be better to
Speaker 3: have her as a as a friend of only because
Speaker 3: the story with her ex seems very complicated and if
Speaker 3: you can't tell it, I wouldn't put it out there
Speaker 3: for the protection of the other kids too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and and I think to not have
Speaker 1: the confusion between us and the audience. I think, Look,
Speaker 1: I think Katie deserves to come back as a friend.
Speaker 1: I'm listen, I'm just being honest. I'm not invested in
Speaker 1: her personal story. It's because it's it's it's it's not
Speaker 1: a lot that she's able to say because of legal situations.
Speaker 1: And I get that her husband seems like the nicest
Speaker 1: guy in the world.
Speaker 2: I I don't want to see them argue. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 3: You know, you get the sensor like happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I yeah, and I and I and I
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: And I think I think Look, based on the fact
Speaker 1: that Sutton allegedly told Heather that Katie used her to
Speaker 1: get on the show.
Speaker 3: By the way, I think if you're on any housewb show,
Speaker 3: people are using you to get on the show.
Speaker 2: Oh one, Just like Tammer said, jin you've heard it
Speaker 2: on the show. Look if right, if you're a housewife
Speaker 2: and somebody befriends you, they want to get on the show.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's.
Speaker 1: A bad thing. I think I think is playing chess.
Speaker 1: It's like, I want to be on the show. I
Speaker 1: understand it's my friendships. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: this is no shade Housewives. You also know bringing on
Speaker 1: somebody on the show helps you because your thought process
Speaker 1: is you have to be loyal to me because.
Speaker 2: I got you on the show. That's the game that
Speaker 2: was played.
Speaker 3: It's essentially like I am an executive member of a
Speaker 3: television or excuse me, of a company and I took
Speaker 3: a risk and let them hire you. And this, you know,
Speaker 3: this affects my job moving forward, So you better bring
Speaker 3: it and be respectful. Don't cross me because it stuck
Speaker 3: my head my neck out for you, because it could
Speaker 3: affect the way that I'm compt stated in the future.
Speaker 3: The opportunities I get how the audience looks at me.
Speaker 3: How comfortable filming is?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And that's the reason why Jen was shocked
Speaker 1: that Tamarra came for her her first season, because I
Speaker 1: think Jen felt like, I'm indebted to Tamra and Tamra
Speaker 1: is the one who threw the napkin and Jin space
Speaker 1: and you saw the shock with Jen light I thought
Speaker 1: we were friends ocause of that reason.
Speaker 3: Do you hear what you just said when she threw
Speaker 3: the napkin? Like they're acting like it was like World
Speaker 3: War three? She threw a napkin, that's song like dumb
Speaker 3: stuff in oca is. I couldn't believe that she threw
Speaker 3: a napkin. I'm like, what those are you serious? And
Speaker 3: the fact that she's surprised that someone crossed her, I'm like,
Speaker 3: have you ever watched the show before? Do you know
Speaker 3: what you signed up for? What do you think this was?
Speaker 3: Like everybody goes to a duffy boat ride and wears
Speaker 3: scarves and has a cigarette extenders and they eat sharcuteries, Like,
Speaker 3: this is not what you're signed up for, stupid god.
Speaker 2: So that leads me into Jin.
Speaker 1: So Jen was in the hot seat because Emily Esquire
Speaker 1: decided to really take over the reunion and help Andy
Speaker 1: out by being the legal ego, understanding every single legality
Speaker 1: of Ryan's situation. So when it comes to Jen and Ryan,
Speaker 1: the girls seem to be very concerned about this relationship,
Speaker 1: and they think Jen is an airhead who doesn't understand
Speaker 1: that she's in a very bad situation.
Speaker 2: Should we be concerned for.
Speaker 3: Jin, yes, right, Like if I were a friend, I
Speaker 3: would be concerned, like why are you with this guy?
Speaker 3: And he seems to be the way he was joking
Speaker 3: in the season finale, like, oh, it's the like someone
Speaker 3: about the money his friend, the money launder. I'm like,
Speaker 3: you're flying too close to the sun. You're Icarus and
Speaker 3: you're flying way too close to the sun front. So
Speaker 3: I think she should have worked mission and get out.
Speaker 3: But I think she has been taught in her life
Speaker 3: that you should like have a man take care of you.
Speaker 3: And I just think, you know, in the year twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, if you're almost fifty years old and you
Speaker 3: have five children, you need to stand on your own
Speaker 3: two feet. And I don't know if this is the
Speaker 3: way to figure out how to do that.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you this because one thing about you.
Speaker 1: You're such a scholar and a deep thinker and a
Speaker 1: woman who understands a lot of women in the situations.
Speaker 2: You live in Orange County.
Speaker 1: You are a mother of five children, so you and
Speaker 1: Jen have similarities in that regard, right, What are your thoughts.
Speaker 2: On Jin as a mother with five.
Speaker 1: Kids, shuffling her children from house to house and still
Speaker 1: relying on her dad to give her money and now
Speaker 1: relying on Ryan.
Speaker 2: To keep a roof over the head for her children.
Speaker 3: It said so much to me in that scene where
Speaker 3: she's in Ryan's house. She hasn't paid the bills. She
Speaker 3: seems like, Oh, I thought my ex husband would be
Speaker 3: paying the rent, and like, why you're not together? Girl?
Speaker 3: Like what you First of all, she should probably not
Speaker 3: be living here. If it's too expensive, you have to
Speaker 3: get up and move. She confuses me because she's got
Speaker 3: all these bills that she has to pay, but she
Speaker 3: seems to have like a lot of nice clothing and
Speaker 3: a lot of upkeep, which is very expensive. She's got
Speaker 3: the kids and they're at Ryan's house and she's in
Speaker 3: the kitchen with her parents, and she turns to her
Speaker 3: father and says, thank you, Daddy. D A d d
Speaker 3: Why da d D? Why think you daddy for basically
Speaker 3: bailing me out? Doesn't address her mom says to me
Speaker 3: so much like what, well, her father's taking care of
Speaker 3: her whole life. They have a marriage where the father
Speaker 3: is the some people I address that, and some people said, well,
Speaker 3: he's the one that makes all the money. What the
Speaker 3: hell does that a couple in a marriage, The money
Speaker 3: is the same, The woman raised the children, that's the same.
Speaker 3: That was her job, same income, same tax, all same thing.
Speaker 3: But she only addressed her father. So she grew up
Speaker 3: in a home where dad goes out and pays the
Speaker 3: bills and mom raises the children and you have to
Speaker 3: ask dad for money all the time. And she's still
Speaker 3: like operating in that same space like it's nineteen fifties,
Speaker 3: and I think that's dangerous in the year twenty twenty four, fascinating.
Speaker 2: Do you think jen is going down.
Speaker 3: Or maybe she has by the way, maybe she has
Speaker 3: issues with her mom. Maybe she feels like her mom
Speaker 3: pushed her to do certain things in life, and she
Speaker 3: didn't address her. But it was weird to do that
Speaker 3: on camera. I don't know. I feel like she moves
Speaker 3: through life. She she listens she's just different than me.
Speaker 3: I feel like she moves through life waiting for a
Speaker 3: man to tell her what to do, and I moved
Speaker 3: through life figuring out to do it myself. Am I married, Yes,
Speaker 3: but I grew up where I always had to make
Speaker 3: decisions on my own, So I come from it from
Speaker 3: a totally different perspective. We grew up in a very
Speaker 3: different way. And I just think you're still living in
Speaker 3: like the nineteen fifties thing, and don't you want to
Speaker 3: show your kids the And maybe this is her way
Speaker 3: of doing it, is to be on the show and
Speaker 3: to be a TV personality and to make some income,
Speaker 3: like you have to share your children that you can
Speaker 3: do things on your own. It's hard for me to
Speaker 3: watch because I don't have friends that are like that.
Speaker 3: I choose to be around people that are like, really
Speaker 3: independent and strong. And I just think she's like a Waffler,
Speaker 3: and Waffler's driving insane.
Speaker 2: So is that the reason why you think?
Speaker 1: If we look at the opposite couch and we see
Speaker 1: Emily Tamra and Heather tried to reason with her, do
Speaker 1: you think that's how they're feeling. I mean, obviously you
Speaker 1: are way more equipped to articulate it in a different way.
Speaker 2: But do you think.
Speaker 1: Those women feel how you feel and that's why they're
Speaker 1: struggling to get through to her.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. It's hard to say.
Speaker 3: I just feel like that's my viewpoint. I think we
Speaker 3: all look through a different lens. That's that's the way
Speaker 3: I look at it. I don't don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe Tamor is looking at like I was married to
Speaker 3: somebody like Simon who made me make like he made
Speaker 3: all the decisions, and it got me to the point
Speaker 3: where I'd just say I wanted a divorce while driving
Speaker 3: in a limo while being filmed for a television show.
Speaker 3: I had to say enough of this. So maybe she
Speaker 3: looks at her and sees a younger version of herself,
Speaker 3: like two dependent on man. I don't really know the
Speaker 3: details of Emily's marriage. I'm supposed to interview her soon
Speaker 3: so I could ask her. But I suspect, you know,
Speaker 3: she probably didn't grow up with it. Didn't sound like
Speaker 3: a dominant father in her life. She had to like
Speaker 3: a single mother. Maybe I could be wrong, but she
Speaker 3: had to kind of figure out things on her own.
Speaker 3: And Heather Dubro doesn't strike me as somebody who looks
Speaker 3: to Terry for all the answers.
Speaker 2: No, this is a thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about your marriage, Kate. You strike
Speaker 1: me as Heather de bro in your marriage.
Speaker 2: I yeah, yeahs.
Speaker 1: Yes, your partners and I get the sense that you
Speaker 1: make the decisions. Obviously you run up by your husband,
Speaker 1: but I think he looks to you like you are
Speaker 1: the decision maker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we in mind. You know, there are
Speaker 3: certain things where I'm like, trust me on this one,
Speaker 3: Like a lot of the school stuff with my kids,
Speaker 3: where he's like, are you sure, You're like, what are
Speaker 3: you talking about? I'm like, no, she should go to
Speaker 3: this school and we need to get them tested and
Speaker 3: we need to do that, and I, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of look to him for other things. But it's equal.
Speaker 3: And my frustration and my hope for Jen, because I
Speaker 3: always wish the best for everybody, is that she gets
Speaker 3: a place where she feels equal in her partnerships, because
Speaker 3: right now it seems like it's certainly the one that
Speaker 3: she's in that she's hoping that he takes care of everything.
Speaker 3: She's admitted she didn't even have her name on a
Speaker 3: credit card until recently that's something that would I would
Speaker 3: hope that she would want her kids to see this.
Speaker 3: I didn't make the best choice, and I think she's
Speaker 3: alluded to that. So here's my wish next season season
Speaker 3: after she really takes like charge of her own life,
Speaker 3: and she says two seasons from now, like I really
Speaker 3: was phoning it in for a while, and now I'm really
Speaker 3: proud of who I am, and I know my kids
Speaker 3: are proud of me too. That would be great, but
Speaker 3: right now I can't relate to her.
Speaker 1: So Emily had a rehearth read calling her Tammy white
Speaker 1: Net stand by your man, right, which I was like, Emily.
Speaker 2: I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I give Emily a f at this reunion only because
Speaker 1: I expected her to be normal and I expect her
Speaker 1: to just be a little bit more present instead of
Speaker 1: like trying to like make fetch happen.
Speaker 2: But I'll give her pass because she had a great season.
Speaker 2: So to say that to Jen, I mean, look, I
Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, this is where
Speaker 2: things are.
Speaker 1: Jen's gonna stand by Ryan and that's just where you
Speaker 1: know their relationship is. Right Then Jen claps back in
Speaker 1: her at Emily and says, well, your entire in laws
Speaker 1: take care of you and and your situation, to which
Speaker 1: Emily did not deny in the moment she didn't which
Speaker 1: I watched OC and I felt like Emily admitted that,
Speaker 1: am I wrong case?
Speaker 3: I think what's different, though, is I don't get the
Speaker 3: suns that she turns to him in bed every morning
Speaker 3: and says, so, like, what's our plan for today? What's
Speaker 3: our life like? Or can I have money to go
Speaker 3: buy this? I don't get. I feel like they're they're
Speaker 3: equal in the way they you know, they operate in
Speaker 3: their family. It's an assumption based on what I see
Speaker 3: on TV. I don't know them personally, but yeah, I
Speaker 3: feel like jenn is like, you know, I really need
Speaker 3: this help for I would hate to be in a
Speaker 3: position where I'm asking a boyfriend like I want to
Speaker 3: sign my child up for soccer camp? Can you help me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: That's where I'm like, I want. I want her to
Speaker 3: have more because when you have let that financial stability,
Speaker 3: you have more control. I don't know, it's just worries
Speaker 3: me because.
Speaker 1: That's the difference. So obviously, and I agree with you
Speaker 1: about Emily. I don't think Emily asked permission to Shane
Speaker 1: to spend money.
Speaker 2: I think Emily just spends it.
Speaker 1: I think Emily obviously has built this life for herself
Speaker 1: with her marriage to yes up the benefits of her
Speaker 1: husband being this extremely I mean having this extremely successful.
Speaker 1: Lets I can see of a family, right, and she
Speaker 1: reads the benefits of it, because yes, she is an
Speaker 1: attorney and she let us know thirteen times more times
Speaker 1: than Daniel Stopp got.
Speaker 2: Engaged, so we're we're aware of that, right.
Speaker 1: But she hasn't practiced law in a in a long time,
Speaker 1: unless I'm not seeing again, I'm seeing the subway sandwiches
Speaker 1: in the sauna that I did three years ago. But
Speaker 1: a lot of it is because you are definitely reaping
Speaker 1: the benefits of being in a marriage to where you
Speaker 1: don't have to practice law, and you're.
Speaker 2: Age get that.
Speaker 3: But also Jen did stand in the kitchen. She did
Speaker 3: stand at her kitchen and say or Ryan's kitchen and
Speaker 3: say thank you, Dad for bailing me out. So it
Speaker 3: isn't even someone bailing you out.
Speaker 2: Well, see, so let's have a question, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: I feel like Jen Emily are the same person, except
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think Jen acts permission I
Speaker 1: think Emily just does it, but there's yeah right, yeah, yeah, yah.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason why Jen looks at
Speaker 1: Emily like, girl, we're not that different. But I think
Speaker 1: to your point, Kate, I think Emily looks at Jen
Speaker 1: like we're not the same because you are with somebody
Speaker 1: who you have to ask permission for and at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, that's not your husband.
Speaker 3: And do you also think the element of Emily's like
Speaker 3: you don't have a pot to piss in, but you've
Speaker 3: spent a lot of money. I don't think Emily has
Speaker 3: this like a crazy lifestyle. I think that's some of
Speaker 3: it too.
Speaker 2: Fascinating.
Speaker 1: This is why I love talking to you, because we
Speaker 1: break it down to a science in a very intellectual way.
Speaker 3: I feel like people were listening to this and driving
Speaker 3: off the road. They were like yelling at you and
Speaker 3: me and the weed and whatever, like, what are you
Speaker 3: talking about? Yeah, listen, it's a jumble of emotions and observations,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's like a puzzle piece try to
Speaker 3: figure it out every episode.
Speaker 2: Well, look, it's the reason why you and I both
Speaker 2: love oh see, and we're not into the other shows.
Speaker 4: We talked about the top on this this particular episode
Speaker 4: because listen, you and I are obsessed with personal story
Speaker 4: and OC is doing a great job at giving us
Speaker 4: that and these women.
Speaker 2: Listen, it's a great cast.
Speaker 1: And the reason why the cast is great is because
Speaker 1: each woman is showing up being their authentic selves. And
Speaker 1: we may not agree with it or whatever, but at
Speaker 1: least they're being authentic to who they are. And you
Speaker 1: and I are able to look at that and say
Speaker 1: got it, whereas we look at the other shows we're like.
Speaker 2: Of bad actors.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, we have two more parts
Speaker 1: of the OC reunion and you need to come back
Speaker 1: on my show.
Speaker 2: Well the other two. I'm putting you on the spot.
Speaker 3: I'll be there waiting for Look.
Speaker 2: Save here, all right, Kate. Let the world know they
Speaker 2: can find you, follow your support you. And this week
Speaker 2: you have an amazing guest coming us. So I want
Speaker 2: everyone to download your episode listen to it, because I
Speaker 2: am going to because I'm obsessed.
Speaker 3: Director. I'm the director R J. Cutler of the Martha
Speaker 3: Stewart doc oh. I also Ashley Banfield from News Nation.
Speaker 3: She was on like MSNBC and CNBC. She ended up
Speaker 3: a News Nation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I have heard too. Okay, so listen to Reality
Speaker 3: Life with Reality Life with Kate Casey podcasts everywhere where
Speaker 3: you listen to podcasts. I've got six episodes a week.
Speaker 3: Also what to Watch List, I tell you what to
Speaker 3: watch each week. Go to Kateksey dot substack dot com.
Speaker 3: I also bonus episodes. You can find me on Instagram
Speaker 3: at kkseca, TikTok It's Kateksey, Twitter and threads at Kiksey.
Speaker 3: I'm basically like your best friend who's going to tell
Speaker 3: you what to watch.
Speaker 1: And guys, she has great recommendations. So the Martha Stewart
Speaker 1: doc on Netflix is so effing good. If you haven't
Speaker 1: watched it, watch it before you listen to Kate's in
Speaker 1: to be with the director because you're going to see
Speaker 1: Martha in a very resting light and and and and
Speaker 1: it's such a well done doc.
Speaker 2: And and Martha is Martha.
Speaker 1: And she's one of those people to where you other
Speaker 1: lover or hate her, and I do think there's some
Speaker 1: in between. But I have to say she would have
Speaker 1: made a great housewife because she shows up as authentic
Speaker 1: as who she is, and I I love a woman
Speaker 1: who does that. And who's not trying to be what
Speaker 1: society thinks a woman should be. And I do think.
Speaker 2: A lot of what she went through in her life
Speaker 2: had a lot to do with the fact that she
Speaker 2: was a woman who was And I didn't know this, Kate,
Speaker 2: she's the first female billionaire. I didn't know that she was.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a Oprah truly truly self made,
Speaker 3: like self made.
Speaker 2: So listen to Kate's episode with a Director.
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to and make sure you guys
Speaker 1: listen to Reality Life with Kate Casey. She's an iconic,
Speaker 1: legendary podcast host that's been for so many years, and
Speaker 1: she also does unscripted shows, documentaries everything I.
Speaker 3: Do, all the sports docuseries too, Yeah, what athletes on?
Speaker 3: And it's good stuff.
Speaker 2: No, it's great stuff. Kay. I love you.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for popping on.
Speaker 1: And she'll be back next week to recap part two
Speaker 1: it of the Real House Vice Orts County Reunion rain Drop.
Speaker 2: I'll catch you on the next one. Bye. Thank you
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