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Speaker 1: Reality to King. It's me Carlos Kings, the King of

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Speaker 1: Reality TV and one of the most sought after executive

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Speaker 1: Twice a week on Reality with the Kings, we'll sit

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Speaker 1: down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our

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Speaker 1: favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are

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Speaker 1: still talking and tweeting about.

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Speaker 2: Ray Drop.

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Speaker 1: She's here and, in the words of Caroline from Polta, guys,

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Speaker 1: she's bad. I'm here with my friend, y'all favorite. She

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Speaker 1: is the one who y'all love when we recap. She

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Speaker 1: is Mike Virgin of Kelly Rippa and I'm her Marcus

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Speaker 1: Filas give it all, casey baby.

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Speaker 3: Would we have a passionate marriage if we were together

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Speaker 3: and straight? But I mean, I'm straight, but you're not

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Speaker 3: so if we wait.

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Speaker 1: Those straight listen, I think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: we have a passionate dinner conversations, We'll have passionate shopping experiences.

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Speaker 1: You will be smiling from air to air for the

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Speaker 1: rest of your life.

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Speaker 2: Would you be satisfied? Not sure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to tell you that as a as

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Speaker 3: a girlfriend, wife, I hate when someone's like, can you

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Speaker 3: pay attention to me that I'm a girlfriend. That our

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Speaker 3: wife who's like, I'm really busy right now, she's take

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Speaker 3: a chase. You have to chase me, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 2: What's your sign, Kate?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I know with like a heisty's rising moon or something.

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Speaker 3: So that means I'm like, I'm a fiery person, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah no.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, you are a woman who is

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Speaker 1: so self assured about yourself. Yes, like you know you

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Speaker 1: and no one else can tell Kate Kasey, Who the

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Speaker 1: fuck Kate Casey is.

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Speaker 3: Back the fuck off? Yeah, you're damn right. That's why we're.

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Speaker 2: Getna lock so well.

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Speaker 1: So, Kate, we have a lot to catch up on,

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Speaker 1: uh before we get into part one. Of the Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives of Ors County reunion. I want to do some

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Speaker 1: housekeeping with a few housewife franchises and just to get

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on it. The first thing first, it was

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Speaker 1: recently revealed that The Real Housewives of Dubai is on

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Speaker 1: Paul's after two seasons.

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Speaker 2: Are you surprised.

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Speaker 3: No. I think it's a real snooze fest. But I

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Speaker 3: also think that the industry is scrambling right now. No

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Speaker 3: we're probably going to see more stuff like Q three

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Speaker 3: TikTok for up to ten minutes. I have been telling

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Speaker 3: I'm crazy. I would if you can't get a job

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Speaker 2: Smart like business model.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I would do. Or I would be

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Speaker 1: No, it's super smart because listen, kay, you're accurate at

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Speaker 1: what I have heard is the fact that it's a

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Speaker 3: It was a snooze fest. Yeah it was snoozy.

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Speaker 3: Don't think you felt like there were authentic friendships. I

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Speaker 3: to see more about their culture. If you're going to

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Speaker 3: I want to see what makes their what is their

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Speaker 3: you one time said to me, Real Housewives the Salt

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't know any different. Yes, it's like that with

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Speaker 2: Bron When is killing it.

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Speaker 2: And it was when, oh my god, this is so bad.

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Speaker 1: And then you had like this mafia guy walking to

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Speaker 3: And then this the episode after this is why you're

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Speaker 3: and we know that Bronwyn had a daughter when she

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Speaker 3: Now you know how they do this when they join

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Speaker 1: Okay, So my thing is this lead with that as

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Speaker 3: I don't think I think it makes you realize the

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Speaker 2: I'm not interested. What I am interested is exactly what

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Speaker 2: Kate said. So if you lead with that, you'll have.

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Speaker 1: Someone like Carlos King talk about your show on Twitter

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Speaker 1: and on my podcast, because that's the ship that I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, real story, personal.

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Speaker 2: Story, which is what you and I love.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Victory's triumphs, pain, bitterness, regret.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay. Because of you, I'm gonna tap back

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know do you're gonna. I just need you

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Speaker 3: to watch last week's Episode's I want to go back

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Speaker 3: I don't need to go you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: You don't have to, like okay, So my mistake was

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Speaker 2: No, and that's why I agree with you. I And

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Speaker 3: What it else makes me and you, I know you're

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Speaker 3: Why are we doing that?

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Speaker 1: We are just getting started. This is reality with the

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Speaker 1: in front of the story.

442
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 3: Probably trying to get in front of the story. Yeah,

443
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 3: because I think when you're friends with someone that long

444
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 3: and they've been through this unique experience, and you have

445
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 3: a friend who is struggling and doesn't want to get help,

446
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 3: you don't suddenly turn the switch off and then become

447
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: all zen and meditation. You just don't. There's too much

448
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: anger resentment, which I think is a problem with the

449
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 3: show right now, because you want to watch a show

450
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 3: about a group of friends who actually care about each other,

451
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 3: and I think it's to the point of no return

452
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 3: with those two.

453
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Speaker 1: I think so too, And listen, I love Tamara and

454
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: Tama's great for this show, and I think we all

455
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: can agree Kate that Tamarra is needed for the show.

456
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: I do think tamar went too far, and if I

457
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: could offer some grades to Tamara, I said this to

458
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: my podcast too. Obviously, Tamra and Shannon were best friends,

459
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: and Tamarra has seen more things about Shannon, or no

460
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: more things about Shannon than you and I could ever

461
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: think of based on what we're.

462
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: Watching on the show.

463
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: But that doesn't make an excuse for yelling out your

464
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: drunk and I don't care if you dislike Shannon or

465
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: like Shannon. I'm not the biggest fan of Shannon, but

466
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: I don't dislike her.

467
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: I love Tamarra.

468
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: However, when tamar yelled that at her across the table,

469
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: I felt so bad for Shannon.

470
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: I felt horrible for her because.

471
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Speaker 1: Like you said at at the end of the days,

472
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: it's humiliating and she's struggling.

473
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: Alcoholism is a disease.

474
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: It's a disease, and it's easy to say stop drinking. However,

475
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: it's not that easy for a person who's struggling with that.

476
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 3: It's like saying, as somebody who's struggling with their weight,

477
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 3: just go on a diet. What's your problem?

478
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, it is. It is. Now. Speaking of

479
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: the meeting, let's get into the k thing. Okay, So Katie, who.

480
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: I thought you meant me? I was like, wait, what,

481
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: I'm on the show.

482
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Katie, to correct myself, Katie.

483
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: Emily Esquire decided to read up on everything that all

484
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: these women are going through, and Katie is up next

485
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: on the docket. So Katie is a new housewife where

486
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: till this listen, as of today, I don't dislike Katie

487
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't love her.

488
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: I think she's okay. And the reason why I think

489
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: she's okay.

490
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 1: Is that cast is so strong, and Katie does not

491
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: do a good job at defending herself. She does have

492
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: answers to everything. I think she my opinion, I think

493
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: Katie is very prepared. I think her answers are so

494
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: carefully chosen because she studied it the way Emily had

495
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: to teach Shane how to study for the bar exam.

496
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: Right, you know.

497
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: You are mother and you are with your children every day,

498
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: and obviously you have a great marriage to your husband.

499
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: When a woman doesn't have well a mother, when a

500
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: mother doesn't have full cousin of her kids and the

501
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: son and Katie said, it's not me, and the son

502
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: decides to stay with his dad. And it was revealed

503
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: at this reunion Kate that Katie decided to.

504
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: Let her children be with their dad.

505
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: Because she said at the time she couldn't afford to

506
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: have a lifestyle for them, which I understand too. What

507
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: do you make of all of because a lot of

508
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: people are like Katie, something else is going on to

509
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: where this story still isn't making sense to a lot

510
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: of people.

511
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 3: Well, I think that she is legally prevented from disgusting

512
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: certain aspects of it, So that's why there are all

513
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: these missing pieces and she can't address them. So I

514
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: think she should have been actually been a friend of

515
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: the show, because then you have the luxury of like

516
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: going and participating in things, but you don't have to

517
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: crack yourself all the way open. And it doesn't seem

518
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 3: like she's comfortable doing it, and I think it really

519
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: makes it difficult for production to follow her because you're

520
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: never going to get access to that piece of the puzzle.

521
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: Yes, and to me, it's such a strong piece to

522
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: the puzzle because if you're going to bring up the

523
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: fact that your daughter lives with you but your son doesn't,

524
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: any person would be like, wait a second, you don't

525
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: have your.

526
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: And the audience is mostly made out of moms, so

527
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: let's to be honest.

528
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and so is this audience too. And that's

529
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: the reason why listen, I'm not judging any situation, especially

530
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: when I don't know the full details up. But it

531
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: did raise the question, and when she gave the answer,

532
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: obviously she was leaving things out. And you're right, perhaps

533
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of legalities to it.

534
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: But outside of that, even.

535
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: The story, wait, let me put let me put it

536
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: this way. If you have a cast member and they

537
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: have a business and that business was sued and they

538
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 3: were on the cover of Wall Street Journal and they

539
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: were sued, and then they started to build another business

540
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: up in their cast for the show, and you're like,

541
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 3: holy shit, we got this person who was in the

542
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal uxpose on the show. And then you

543
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: start filming and that person's like, well, because of legal issues,

544
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: I really can't talk about it. Why were you hired? Yeah,

545
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: you can't. It doesn't work.

546
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we don't. And and as as an audience,

547
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: we don't care. The reason why we are invested in

548
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: Shannon's personal story with John Janson Alexis is because we

549
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: saw the history of all all the parties.

550
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 3: Involved and her and her credit. She bled for us,

551
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 3: and that's why and that's why, Yeah, we're not down

552
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: with Alexis. She bled for us.

553
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: One thousand percent, one thousand percent. Shannon was the MVP

554
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: this season. She gave a lot to it. Yeah, she

555
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: ran away from a lot of dinner tables, but nonetheless

556
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: she bled for us. She was able to give us

557
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: receipts and conversations about what she was going through and

558
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: even the moments with her daughter. The thing with Katie

559
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: that I'm struggling with is I just don't know what

560
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: to believe. Let's get into the situation that happened with

561
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: the police officer.

562
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: So bravo.

563
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: Docat has an Instagram post today with the slides and

564
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: they did all the digging so people can go there

565
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: and kind of read it. But the net is it

566
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: was from over a decade ago, and you don't get

567
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: her side of the story in the police report, so

568
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: you don't the end The end result was they were

569
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: sort of on the fence. They didn't know who to believe,

570
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: so it was dropped.

571
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: Okay. So when she okay, so.

572
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: You're just as confused as I am. And with solves

573
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: the problem, you will be in a perpetual state of confusion.

574
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: So let's let's let's let us talk about this Kate

575
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: and stopping when I'm wrong.

576
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: So allegedly and there was in Georgia, correct, Yes, it

577
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: was in Georgia, the state of Georgia.

578
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: So let's driving on the highway in Georgia.

579
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Okay, Katie's driving, and she's allegedly texting while

580
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: he's driving with the carpool kids. Yeah, a guide in

581
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: another car sees this and pretty much yells at her

582
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: to get.

583
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: Off the phone.

584
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: According to him, yes, okay, they.

585
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: Get in to a little she Katie's alleging that this

586
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: guy is pretty much chasing her in the car, correct, right, right, okay.

587
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: But it was revealed that Katie followed him to his home.

588
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: According to the story, yes, and.

589
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: Then he called the cops because she was on his property.

590
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: That's well, that's what I gather.

591
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: And then the cops shows up, they arrested him.

592
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 3: Well, he was acting erratic, Okay, acting another part of it,

593
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: So that there you go. This is like one of

594
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: those things where you're like, okay, it's like a ping

595
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: pong match and you're like, oh, okay, oh what are

596
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: we all right? So at the end of it, if

597
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: you go to the last side of the Bravo doc

598
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: a Instagram, it's like, well, the charges were like were

599
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: never there were no charges because the police could not

600
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: make heads or tails of it, like who instigated it,

601
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: what happened? So that's my problem. But this whole thing

602
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: is I can't go season after season trying to figure

603
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: it out. I have enough documentaries. I need to figure

604
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: out time jobs. This is too much.

605
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out Dallas. Yes, exactly, go ahead.

606
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: She and she's just not very forthcoming, so it's hard.

607
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: But I think it's a lot of legal issues that's.

608
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: A problem, and their lives are problem is the legal

609
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: issues with her first husband, who obviously is not signing

610
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: the release to be mentioned on the show, nor his son.

611
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: The reason why the daughter's able to be mentioned on

612
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: the show is because the daughter's are eighteen, so she's

613
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: able to sign off her own rights to appear on

614
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: the show too. So that's why audience Katie's daughters able

615
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: to do it, but her son isn't. Then you have

616
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: this legal situation where look, Heather Debro said, you are

617
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: you're used to falsely accusing somebody.

618
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: Do you know how long this man was in jail?

619
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: Was like a few hours?

620
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, because that's.

621
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: The other piece of the puzzle was seeing Jael for days.

622
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I think what was interesting about it is she followed

623
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: him to his home.

624
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: With her kids in the car.

625
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why there are people who are

626
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: like it's wild.

627
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: So I think that that's why the audience is frustrated

628
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: because they want more information to figure out like what

629
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: is really happening here, because we live in a time

630
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: where there are questions about like legal issues, police issues.

631
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: I think the audio house audience require or they want

632
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: more information than they've ever wanted it, Like, you know,

633
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 3: things may have happened in the earlier seasons where it's

634
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: just sort of like it gets like kind of passed over.

635
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: The sophisticated twenty twenty four audience wants to know every

636
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: single piece of the puzzle. And if you can't, then

637
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: people jump to jump to assumptions that's jack me dangerous.

638
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: No, and it is, and it makes a lot of

639
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: sense based on that. You know, when she talked about.

640
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: Her kids, and this was the first time we saw

641
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: Katie get emotional, and it propelled Heather Debre to walk

642
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: up to her and give her condolences what happened, apologize

643
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: to her.

644
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: What do you make of that?

645
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: Do you think Heather realized, oh shit, this could go

646
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: back for me. If the audience, you know, sees this

647
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: as a minority woman who was profile by the police,

648
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: or do you think Heather was sincere And.

649
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: Who really knows, But Heather strikes me as somebody who's like,

650
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: this isn't worth it, Like, I don't even know if

651
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: she's gonna be on the show next season, so why

652
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: are we bothering? I think that's the way Housewife think.

653
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: I don't think they think in broad scopes like that. Seriously.

654
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm laughing because it's true.

655
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: Do you think most of them are like, Wow, I

656
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: really didn't think about the cultural implications of blah bla

657
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: blah blah. No, so like you're gonna be fire next season?

658
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: So kissing ship.

659
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: What do you make of Katie's husband?

660
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 3: He's lovely. I've spent time with him. I really love him.

661
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: He's a wonderful cutie.

662
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 2: He's so cute.

663
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. I went to the beach one day and they

664
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: were there, and I was walking up with you know,

665
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: a lot of kids and a lot of ship, and

666
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 3: he walked all the way out and picked up all

667
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: this stuff and carried it all the way. Real gentleman,

668
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 3: very nice.

669
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: Oh he's a great guy.

670
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, really really nice person.

671
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: Do you think Katie will come back next season? Yeah?

672
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: I do. I do because I think real friendship is

673
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: important for the for the loituvity of these shows and

674
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: jenn Is staying because she's got these this crazy story

675
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: chasing her and she's going to need a friend. But

676
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 3: I don't I think she'll come back to Katy go

677
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: come back to the show. But I don't know if

678
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: it's better. I feel like it may be better to

679
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: have her as a as a friend of only because

680
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: the story with her ex seems very complicated and if

681
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 3: you can't tell it, I wouldn't put it out there

682
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: for the protection of the other kids too.

683
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and and I think to not have

684
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: the confusion between us and the audience. I think, Look,

685
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: I think Katie deserves to come back as a friend.

686
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm listen, I'm just being honest. I'm not invested in

687
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: her personal story. It's because it's it's it's it's not

688
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: a lot that she's able to say because of legal situations.

689
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: And I get that her husband seems like the nicest

690
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: guy in the world.

691
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: I I don't want to see them argue. You know

692
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: what I mean?

693
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: You know, you get the sensor like happy.

694
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I yeah, and I and I and I

695
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: like that.

696
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: And I think I think Look, based on the fact

697
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: that Sutton allegedly told Heather that Katie used her to

698
00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: get on the show.

699
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: By the way, I think if you're on any housewb show,

700
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: people are using you to get on the show.

701
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: Oh one, Just like Tammer said, jin you've heard it

702
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: on the show. Look if right, if you're a housewife

703
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: and somebody befriends you, they want to get on the show.

704
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's.

705
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: A bad thing. I think I think is playing chess.

706
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: It's like, I want to be on the show. I

707
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: understand it's my friendships. And at the end of the day,

708
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: this is no shade Housewives. You also know bringing on

709
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: somebody on the show helps you because your thought process

710
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: is you have to be loyal to me because.

711
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: I got you on the show. That's the game that

712
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: was played.

713
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: It's essentially like I am an executive member of a

714
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 3: television or excuse me, of a company and I took

715
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: a risk and let them hire you. And this, you know,

716
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: this affects my job moving forward, So you better bring

717
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: it and be respectful. Don't cross me because it stuck

718
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: my head my neck out for you, because it could

719
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: affect the way that I'm compt stated in the future.

720
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: The opportunities I get how the audience looks at me.

721
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: How comfortable filming is?

722
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

723
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And that's the reason why Jen was shocked

724
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: that Tamarra came for her her first season, because I

725
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: think Jen felt like, I'm indebted to Tamra and Tamra

726
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: is the one who threw the napkin and Jin space

727
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: and you saw the shock with Jen light I thought

728
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: we were friends ocause of that reason.

729
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: Do you hear what you just said when she threw

730
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: the napkin? Like they're acting like it was like World

731
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: War three? She threw a napkin, that's song like dumb

732
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: stuff in oca is. I couldn't believe that she threw

733
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 3: a napkin. I'm like, what those are you serious? And

734
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: the fact that she's surprised that someone crossed her, I'm like,

735
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: have you ever watched the show before? Do you know

736
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: what you signed up for? What do you think this was?

737
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 3: Like everybody goes to a duffy boat ride and wears

738
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: scarves and has a cigarette extenders and they eat sharcuteries, Like,

739
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: this is not what you're signed up for, stupid god.

740
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: So that leads me into Jin.

741
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: So Jen was in the hot seat because Emily Esquire

742
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: decided to really take over the reunion and help Andy

743
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: out by being the legal ego, understanding every single legality

744
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: of Ryan's situation. So when it comes to Jen and Ryan,

745
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: the girls seem to be very concerned about this relationship,

746
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: and they think Jen is an airhead who doesn't understand

747
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: that she's in a very bad situation.

748
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: Should we be concerned for.

749
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: Jin, yes, right, Like if I were a friend, I

750
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 3: would be concerned, like why are you with this guy?

751
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: And he seems to be the way he was joking

752
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: in the season finale, like, oh, it's the like someone

753
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: about the money his friend, the money launder. I'm like,

754
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: you're flying too close to the sun. You're Icarus and

755
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: you're flying way too close to the sun front. So

756
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: I think she should have worked mission and get out.

757
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: But I think she has been taught in her life

758
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: that you should like have a man take care of you.

759
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: And I just think, you know, in the year twenty

760
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: twenty four, if you're almost fifty years old and you

761
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: have five children, you need to stand on your own

762
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: two feet. And I don't know if this is the

763
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: way to figure out how to do that.

764
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: I want to ask you this because one thing about you.

765
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: You're such a scholar and a deep thinker and a

766
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: woman who understands a lot of women in the situations.

767
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: You live in Orange County.

768
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: You are a mother of five children, so you and

769
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: Jen have similarities in that regard, right, What are your thoughts.

770
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: On Jin as a mother with five.

771
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: Kids, shuffling her children from house to house and still

772
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: relying on her dad to give her money and now

773
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: relying on Ryan.

774
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: To keep a roof over the head for her children.

775
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: It said so much to me in that scene where

776
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: she's in Ryan's house. She hasn't paid the bills. She

777
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: seems like, Oh, I thought my ex husband would be

778
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: paying the rent, and like, why you're not together? Girl?

779
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: Like what you First of all, she should probably not

780
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: be living here. If it's too expensive, you have to

781
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: get up and move. She confuses me because she's got

782
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: all these bills that she has to pay, but she

783
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 3: seems to have like a lot of nice clothing and

784
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: a lot of upkeep, which is very expensive. She's got

785
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: the kids and they're at Ryan's house and she's in

786
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: the kitchen with her parents, and she turns to her

787
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 3: father and says, thank you, Daddy. D A d d

788
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: Why da d D? Why think you daddy for basically

789
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: bailing me out? Doesn't address her mom says to me

790
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: so much like what, well, her father's taking care of

791
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: her whole life. They have a marriage where the father

792
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: is the some people I address that, and some people said, well,

793
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: he's the one that makes all the money. What the

794
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: hell does that a couple in a marriage, The money

795
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 3: is the same, The woman raised the children, that's the same.

796
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: That was her job, same income, same tax, all same thing.

797
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: But she only addressed her father. So she grew up

798
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: in a home where dad goes out and pays the

799
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: bills and mom raises the children and you have to

800
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: ask dad for money all the time. And she's still

801
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: like operating in that same space like it's nineteen fifties,

802
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 3: and I think that's dangerous in the year twenty twenty four, fascinating.

803
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: Do you think jen is going down.

804
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: Or maybe she has by the way, maybe she has

805
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: issues with her mom. Maybe she feels like her mom

806
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: pushed her to do certain things in life, and she

807
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: didn't address her. But it was weird to do that

808
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: on camera. I don't know. I feel like she moves

809
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: through life. She she listens she's just different than me.

810
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: I feel like she moves through life waiting for a

811
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: man to tell her what to do, and I moved

812
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: through life figuring out to do it myself. Am I married, Yes,

813
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: but I grew up where I always had to make

814
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 3: decisions on my own, So I come from it from

815
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: a totally different perspective. We grew up in a very

816
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: different way. And I just think you're still living in

817
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: like the nineteen fifties thing, and don't you want to

818
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: show your kids the And maybe this is her way

819
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: of doing it, is to be on the show and

820
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: to be a TV personality and to make some income,

821
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 3: like you have to share your children that you can

822
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: do things on your own. It's hard for me to

823
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: watch because I don't have friends that are like that.

824
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 3: I choose to be around people that are like, really

825
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: independent and strong. And I just think she's like a Waffler,

826
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: and Waffler's driving insane.

827
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: So is that the reason why you think?

828
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: If we look at the opposite couch and we see

829
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: Emily Tamra and Heather tried to reason with her, do

830
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: you think that's how they're feeling. I mean, obviously you

831
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: are way more equipped to articulate it in a different way.

832
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: But do you think.

833
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: Those women feel how you feel and that's why they're

834
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: struggling to get through to her.

835
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. It's hard to say.

836
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: I just feel like that's my viewpoint. I think we

837
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: all look through a different lens. That's that's the way

838
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 3: I look at it. I don't don't, I don't know.

839
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: Maybe Tamor is looking at like I was married to

840
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: somebody like Simon who made me make like he made

841
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 3: all the decisions, and it got me to the point

842
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: where I'd just say I wanted a divorce while driving

843
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: in a limo while being filmed for a television show.

844
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: I had to say enough of this. So maybe she

845
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: looks at her and sees a younger version of herself,

846
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: like two dependent on man. I don't really know the

847
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: details of Emily's marriage. I'm supposed to interview her soon

848
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: so I could ask her. But I suspect, you know,

849
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: she probably didn't grow up with it. Didn't sound like

850
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: a dominant father in her life. She had to like

851
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: a single mother. Maybe I could be wrong, but she

852
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: had to kind of figure out things on her own.

853
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: And Heather Dubro doesn't strike me as somebody who looks

854
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: to Terry for all the answers.

855
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: No, this is a thing.

856
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about your marriage, Kate. You strike

857
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: me as Heather de bro in your marriage.

858
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: I yeah, yeahs.

859
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: Yes, your partners and I get the sense that you

860
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: make the decisions. Obviously you run up by your husband,

861
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: but I think he looks to you like you are

862
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: the decision maker.

863
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we in mind. You know, there are

864
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 3: certain things where I'm like, trust me on this one,

865
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: Like a lot of the school stuff with my kids,

866
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: where he's like, are you sure, You're like, what are

867
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: you talking about? I'm like, no, she should go to

868
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: this school and we need to get them tested and

869
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: we need to do that, and I, you know, kind

870
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: of look to him for other things. But it's equal.

871
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: And my frustration and my hope for Jen, because I

872
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: always wish the best for everybody, is that she gets

873
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 3: a place where she feels equal in her partnerships, because

874
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: right now it seems like it's certainly the one that

875
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: she's in that she's hoping that he takes care of everything.

876
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: She's admitted she didn't even have her name on a

877
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: credit card until recently that's something that would I would

878
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Speaker 3: hope that she would want her kids to see this.

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Speaker 3: I didn't make the best choice, and I think she's

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Speaker 3: alluded to that. So here's my wish next season season

881
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Speaker 3: after she really takes like charge of her own life,

882
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 3: and she says two seasons from now, like I really

883
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: was phoning it in for a while, and now I'm really

884
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: proud of who I am, and I know my kids

885
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Speaker 3: are proud of me too. That would be great, but

886
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Speaker 3: right now I can't relate to her.

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Speaker 1: So Emily had a rehearth read calling her Tammy white

888
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Speaker 1: Net stand by your man, right, which I was like, Emily.

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Speaker 2: I I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I give Emily a f at this reunion only because

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Speaker 1: I expected her to be normal and I expect her

892
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Speaker 1: to just be a little bit more present instead of

893
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: like trying to like make fetch happen.

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Speaker 2: But I'll give her pass because she had a great season.

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Speaker 2: So to say that to Jen, I mean, look, I

896
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Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, this is where

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Speaker 2: things are.

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Speaker 1: Jen's gonna stand by Ryan and that's just where you

899
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Speaker 1: know their relationship is. Right Then Jen claps back in

900
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Speaker 1: her at Emily and says, well, your entire in laws

901
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Speaker 1: take care of you and and your situation, to which

902
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Speaker 1: Emily did not deny in the moment she didn't which

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Speaker 1: I watched OC and I felt like Emily admitted that,

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Speaker 1: am I wrong case?

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Speaker 3: I think what's different, though, is I don't get the

906
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Speaker 3: suns that she turns to him in bed every morning

907
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 3: and says, so, like, what's our plan for today? What's

908
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: our life like? Or can I have money to go

909
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: buy this? I don't get. I feel like they're they're

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Speaker 3: equal in the way they you know, they operate in

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00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 3: their family. It's an assumption based on what I see

912
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: on TV. I don't know them personally, but yeah, I

913
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Speaker 3: feel like jenn is like, you know, I really need

914
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 3: this help for I would hate to be in a

915
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Speaker 3: position where I'm asking a boyfriend like I want to

916
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Speaker 3: sign my child up for soccer camp? Can you help me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: That's where I'm like, I want. I want her to

919
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Speaker 3: have more because when you have let that financial stability,

920
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Speaker 3: you have more control. I don't know, it's just worries

921
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Speaker 3: me because.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference. So obviously, and I agree with you

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Speaker 1: about Emily. I don't think Emily asked permission to Shane

924
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Speaker 1: to spend money.

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Speaker 2: I think Emily just spends it.

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Speaker 1: I think Emily obviously has built this life for herself

927
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Speaker 1: with her marriage to yes up the benefits of her

928
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Speaker 1: husband being this extremely I mean having this extremely successful.

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Speaker 1: Lets I can see of a family, right, and she

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Speaker 1: reads the benefits of it, because yes, she is an

931
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Speaker 1: attorney and she let us know thirteen times more times

932
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Speaker 1: than Daniel Stopp got.

933
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Speaker 2: Engaged, so we're we're aware of that, right.

934
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Speaker 1: But she hasn't practiced law in a in a long time,

935
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Speaker 1: unless I'm not seeing again, I'm seeing the subway sandwiches

936
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Speaker 1: in the sauna that I did three years ago. But

937
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Speaker 1: a lot of it is because you are definitely reaping

938
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Speaker 1: the benefits of being in a marriage to where you

939
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Speaker 1: don't have to practice law, and you're.

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Speaker 2: Age get that.

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Speaker 3: But also Jen did stand in the kitchen. She did

942
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Speaker 3: stand at her kitchen and say or Ryan's kitchen and

943
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: say thank you, Dad for bailing me out. So it

944
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Speaker 3: isn't even someone bailing you out.

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Speaker 2: Well, see, so let's have a question, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Jen Emily are the same person, except

947
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think Jen acts permission I

948
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: think Emily just does it, but there's yeah right, yeah, yeah, yah.

949
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Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason why Jen looks at

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Speaker 1: Emily like, girl, we're not that different. But I think

951
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Speaker 1: to your point, Kate, I think Emily looks at Jen

952
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: like we're not the same because you are with somebody

953
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: who you have to ask permission for and at the

954
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: end of the day, that's not your husband.

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Speaker 3: And do you also think the element of Emily's like

956
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: you don't have a pot to piss in, but you've

957
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 3: spent a lot of money. I don't think Emily has

958
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: this like a crazy lifestyle. I think that's some of

959
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: it too.

960
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Speaker 2: Fascinating.

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Speaker 1: This is why I love talking to you, because we

962
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: break it down to a science in a very intellectual way.

963
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: I feel like people were listening to this and driving

964
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: off the road. They were like yelling at you and

965
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: me and the weed and whatever, like, what are you

966
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 3: talking about? Yeah, listen, it's a jumble of emotions and observations,

967
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: and you know, it's like a puzzle piece try to

968
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: figure it out every episode.

969
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: Well, look, it's the reason why you and I both

970
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 2: love oh see, and we're not into the other shows.

971
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Speaker 4: We talked about the top on this this particular episode

972
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 4: because listen, you and I are obsessed with personal story

973
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 4: and OC is doing a great job at giving us

974
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 4: that and these women.

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Speaker 2: Listen, it's a great cast.

976
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Speaker 1: And the reason why the cast is great is because

977
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: each woman is showing up being their authentic selves. And

978
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: we may not agree with it or whatever, but at

979
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: least they're being authentic to who they are. And you

980
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: and I are able to look at that and say

981
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: got it, whereas we look at the other shows we're like.

982
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: Of bad actors.

983
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: So with that being said, we have two more parts

985
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: of the OC reunion and you need to come back

986
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: on my show.

987
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: Well the other two. I'm putting you on the spot.

988
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 3: I'll be there waiting for Look.

989
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Speaker 2: Save here, all right, Kate. Let the world know they

990
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: can find you, follow your support you. And this week

991
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Speaker 2: you have an amazing guest coming us. So I want

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Speaker 2: everyone to download your episode listen to it, because I

993
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Speaker 2: am going to because I'm obsessed.

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Speaker 3: Director. I'm the director R J. Cutler of the Martha

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Speaker 3: Stewart doc oh. I also Ashley Banfield from News Nation.

996
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: She was on like MSNBC and CNBC. She ended up

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Speaker 3: a News Nation.

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00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I have heard too. Okay, so listen to Reality

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Speaker 3: Life with Reality Life with Kate Casey podcasts everywhere where

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Speaker 3: you listen to podcasts. I've got six episodes a week.

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Speaker 3: Also what to Watch List, I tell you what to

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Speaker 3: watch each week. Go to Kateksey dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 3: I also bonus episodes. You can find me on Instagram

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Speaker 3: at kkseca, TikTok It's Kateksey, Twitter and threads at Kiksey.

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Speaker 3: I'm basically like your best friend who's going to tell

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Speaker 3: you what to watch.

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Speaker 1: And guys, she has great recommendations. So the Martha Stewart

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Speaker 1: doc on Netflix is so effing good. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: watched it, watch it before you listen to Kate's in

1011
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: to be with the director because you're going to see

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Speaker 1: Martha in a very resting light and and and and

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Speaker 1: it's such a well done doc.

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Speaker 2: And and Martha is Martha.

1015
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Speaker 1: And she's one of those people to where you other

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Speaker 1: lover or hate her, and I do think there's some

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Speaker 1: in between. But I have to say she would have

1018
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: made a great housewife because she shows up as authentic

1019
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: as who she is, and I I love a woman

1020
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: who does that. And who's not trying to be what

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Speaker 1: society thinks a woman should be. And I do think.

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Speaker 2: A lot of what she went through in her life

1023
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Speaker 2: had a lot to do with the fact that she

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Speaker 2: was a woman who was And I didn't know this, Kate,

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Speaker 2: she's the first female billionaire. I didn't know that she was.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a Oprah truly truly self made,

1027
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Speaker 3: like self made.

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Speaker 2: So listen to Kate's episode with a Director.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm going to and make sure you guys

1030
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: listen to Reality Life with Kate Casey. She's an iconic,

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00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: legendary podcast host that's been for so many years, and

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Speaker 1: she also does unscripted shows, documentaries everything I.

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Speaker 3: Do, all the sports docuseries too, Yeah, what athletes on?

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Speaker 3: And it's good stuff.

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Speaker 2: No, it's great stuff. Kay. I love you.

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00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for popping on.

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Speaker 1: And she'll be back next week to recap part two

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Speaker 1: it of the Real House Vice Orts County Reunion rain Drop.

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