WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Who's Calling the Plays? 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:04.480 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.640 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:12.280 a break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely ready 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.160 for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. It's 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.680 time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com wall 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:27.400 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.320 It is Wednesday, January thirty, of the two thousand nineteen 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.559 season fourteen, episode number one hundred and fourteen. Welcome to 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.800 another edition of The Break. We are live nest WBC 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.720 Mortgage Studios at the Star and it's good to be 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.320 back on the year with you guys, talk a little 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.000 Cowboys football for an hour. This is our normal schedule 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.760 for the offseason. We'll be every Wednesday at eleven am. 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.320 Of course, on Monday we have Hanging with the Boys 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.280 at eleven. On Tuesdays we have Talking Cowboys will be 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.960 on Wednesdays, and then on Thursdays the highly Rate It 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.760 Now Draft show that Dave is also a party. I 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.760 mean now, well, I mean, you guys are now at 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.480 the top twenty five on on iTunes. That's pretty good, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.960 thank you. Pretty good. I would argue we've been pretty 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.080 highly rated for TWI okay, all right, whatever draft I 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.160 need to get cocky here Draft Show, give a compliment 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.800 without him breaking it apart like fiercely defensive of the 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.280 draft show. I'm sorry. All right, Well, good work to 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.240 you guys. Shout out to my boy A K. Hill 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.280 for starting that whole thing up. So let's just let's 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:26.960 talk a little cowboys. But how are you day? Nick? 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.840 I'm great? Thank you? Good? All right? Amber, Good to 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.640 have you back in the building. Hey, the three of us, 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.720 what are you talking? Oh that's true? Well yeah, I 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:40.280 guess Yet where where were you? Where did you go 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:45.840 working on my side businesses making commercials art? I was 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:50.080 in Mobile, Alabama? So yeah, very different than one yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.520 All right. So we got a lot to talk about today. Um, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.840 I want to talk first. I'm about this coaching staff, 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.360 and then a little later in the show. I have 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.200 some questions for you guys, and those questions will kind 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.400 of give us a good bow or put a good 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.440 bow on this season. It will be a little bit 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.040 of a season in review. We'll go around the table 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:09.960 and get some answers on some of those questions. But 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.840 let's start first with the coaching coaching staff. What we 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.200 know right now is that Scott landa hands out. Jason 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.160 Garrett said as much a week and a half ago. 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.519 I think it was at this point we know that 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.440 John Kittner is maybe in. Do we know that? What 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.520 was gonna say. What we know is he was at 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.720 the Pro Bowl with the coaching staff. We know he 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.000 operating right operating with the coaching staff. But there's been 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.040 nothing official that says that he's in and that he 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.320 has a role. Those are the things that we know 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.280 right now with this coaching staff. So what I figured 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.119 we would do is let's talk a little bit about assumptions, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.880 and let's make an assumption first that there will be 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.680 no new members added to this coaching staff. I want 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.400 you guys to tell me what you think of these 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.040 people in these roles. John Kitten as your quarterback coach, 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.560 I love it. I think he's a good coach. Number 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:00.560 Number one, he's a coach. I mean, he he has 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.240 no good He's done it, though, but he's done it. 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.000 He's been a coach before, and he's when you're a 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:13.840 backup quarterback for sixteen years, which sounds familiar. But Jason Garrett, 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.800 I'm just saying, but but you you've been coaching way 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.760 longer than when you started, you know, becoming a coach. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.640 I mean, he was coaching Carson Palmer at Cincinnati. He 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.079 was coaching Tony Romo when he was here, So he's 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:30.280 a quarterback coach. He's he's gonna be very, very valuable 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.760 for Dak And I love it. If that's the move. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.520 I really like it, MP, I don't mind me it 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.480 at all. It's I know, I did some research on 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.360 his whole experience, and I know one of y'all wrote 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:45.880 an article about him and his whole story, which is, like, 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.080 you know, the experience from college and all that stuff 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.280 obviously helps a lot, and he can do a lot 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:55.000 of things that I haven't. I mean, it's so hard. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.120 It's so hard to evaluate Kelen because you're not there 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.880 listening to what he's saying to Dack. But at the 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.880 same time, just watching from the outside, you feel that 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.520 he's not really doing much to help him. But it's 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.520 just going back and forth. But I have a feeling 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.000 that this is a great addition and it's gonna add 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.680 rather than subtract or not do anything. Dave. Everything they 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.039 just said, I agree with. I do like it. Overall, 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:24.200 part of me is just kind of leery because it's 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.120 such a Jason Garrett higher, Like, like, who do I know? Who? 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.240 Who do I know that? Who have I worked with 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.520 that could maybe do this? Okay? Yeah, John, Like he's older, 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.720 he's coached in high school, Like I know him? Okay, Like, 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.280 and I know you know that's something I know frustrates 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.880 fans because I read my mentions every day, like you 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:47.119 want new, you want different, you want conflicting ideas and ideologies, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.840 And that's probably not this because it's a guy that's 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.760 played here that knows Jason Garrett really well. Familiarity is 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.000 a big deal to him. He's never told me that, 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.400 but every higher he's ever made, suggesting that there was 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.240 a big higher that they made last year and christ 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.320 Chard stepped outside of enter and the results were right, 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.360 maybe great, awesome, And I think you hit the nail 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.359 on the head that when you look at this and 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:14.440 the ability for someone to come in and create, to 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.800 create clash, I guess that's the best way to put 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:18.719 it into in debate. That's kind of the thing, to 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.400 be able to come in and create a different viewpoint, 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.400 to be able to come in and challenge things that 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.440 everybody just thinks are facts, which really aren't facts. They're 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.480 more opinions. But it takes somebody from the outside sometimes 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.039 it doesn't think like that to say that's not really 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.159 a fact, that's an opinion. And I think there's another 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.560 opinion that might be better is Byron Jones a corner. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.800 If Christoh Chardon Wright higher, he might be, but you 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.640 can't say for certainty that he would write yeah, stuff 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.280 like that, And so at the end of the day, 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.360 I think it's a solid hire. Actually, you know, I 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.440 looked this up for the story I wrote, like kitt 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.120 and I had success as a high school coach, Like 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.640 he took over his alt right. Well, he started at 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.279 his alma mater and Tacoma, Washington. They were like, I 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.200 think they were like two and eight and he went 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.240 eleven and one and you know, like they were. Yeah, 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:01.960 he turned him into a pretty good team. And then 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.240 he went back to the Cowboys for a game. Yeah, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.160 he actually left it. Yeah, they hired him. They hired 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:12.440 him back. And I think that's important because because they 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.000 needed somebody on the fly who knows it and who 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.000 can come in and be smart and figure things out. Quickly. 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.000 And you know that was just a one game option. 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.720 But he obviously just proves just how much he's still 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.240 with it. I mean, as far as what this offense is, 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.400 he can come in, he can adapt quickly. Was he 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.560 as a player, He was a He was a pretty 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.320 good player, A solid quarter. Yeah, he was solid. He 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.159 was never a great athlete looking guy, you know, but 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.640 it's like he wasn't the fastest, didn't have a great arm, 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.520 but he was good enough to be a backup. And 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.200 I'll say that he had some pretty good years as 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:51.479 a starting Cincinnati in Detroit, he had some pretty fantastic years. 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.120 When they drafted Carson Palmer, I know he sat all 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.320 year because Kittna played, and he was good enough to 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.279 play and keep the first round to pick on the bench, 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.000 which was what the philosophy was. But he obviously was 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.680 good enough to keep him there and then and then 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.440 he better than anything. He handled it of like, all right, now, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.360 you're the guy. I get it. I know that he 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.760 understands the dynamics of things. At the end of the day, 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.680 I think it's a good hire. But the the the 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.560 familiarity of it gives me pause a little bit. But 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:22.680 that's okay, and that, to be honest with you, think 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.680 any coach in the league is any different. I really 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.680 think that a lot of coaches higher than people they do. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.000 Oh and you're right, you know, or at least somebody 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.960 that they know knows him, you know, refer to him. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.360 All right, let's move on. Let's talk about now the 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.040 role of play caller. And I'm gonna throw three names out, 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.200 and I want you to tell me of those three names, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.280 put them in priority order of which one you'd want 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.360 to see first, second, and third. Now, again we're assuming 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.240 we want to see that you think should be the 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.680 play caller in order of one. This is the guy 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.840 definitely want, down to three, this is the guy don't want, 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.360 all right, And again we're assuming that there are now 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.240 no new people that are going to be added into 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.640 this mix. The people that are already on the staff 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.560 are presumed to be on the staff, will be the 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.560 people that will they will be choosing from. All right, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.160 So it's Kellen Moore, Jason Garrett, Doug nuss Meyer, and 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.960 one other qualification. We're talking specifically about play caller, not 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.280 necessarily just offensive coordinator, but the person that's going to 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.920 be calling the plays on Sundays. I think that you know, 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.400 this isn't to mess up your game or anything. I'll 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.840 give my answer because I don't you know all I've 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.440 seen really call plays as Jason Garrett. But I think 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.760 we know who it's going to be, you know, Jason Garrett. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.800 he did talk at the Pro Bowl, not to us, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.240 not to the media, but he talked to Jason Witten 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.640 and the crew of the of the Monday Night crew 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.800 that did the game. And if you listen to the game, 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.680 if you if you put yourself through that misery and 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.920 watch that and listen to it, they said, you know, 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:48.679 Moore is gonna have a good year. You know he's 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.520 gonna be able to call the plays, and he's gonna 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.360 have a different style. And it wasn't like this is 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.440 what they think is going to happen. This is what's 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.880 going to happen. So I think Jason Garrett told them 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.200 that's what's going to happen. I really believe that. So 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.400 I that being said, Kellen Moore will probably be the 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.760 play caller. I've only seen Jason Garrett do it. He 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.360 did a nice job. You think should be calling place. 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:16.480 I'd like seeing Smarr honestly, really why Um? I think 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.320 Dak is the closest thing to a college quarterback. UM 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.200 college type system. I think that will work with him here, 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.199 and I think he's got the best experience when different 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.760 college systems. I think it'd be interesting to see what 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:30.199 he does. What do you know about his because I 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.800 haven't researched it much, but just in reading little articles 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.200 and tweets here and there, it sounds like he wasn't 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.520 a guy that was beloved by a lot of college 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.640 fans at the stops where he was an offensive coordinator. 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.280 What do you know about his career there? I guess 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.080 as a college offensive coordinator, I know he did. He 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.120 did win a national title with Alabama as their play call. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.199 Everybody exactly that's so yeah, I mean, pig that for 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.679 what it's worth. And uh, his stint at Florida was 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.720 not very memorable when you could. I mean that has 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.360 a lot to do with talent. Michigan to the Alabama 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.120 was his best results also probably his best talent. I 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.920 think he got there right after McCarron left. I think 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.760 I think he was there the year Jacob Coker one, 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.080 which is like the worst quarterback Alabama's one a national 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.920 title with he did something with a little less well, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.040 he had all Americans at every other position. He might 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.319 have been there with Amari Cooper, but don't quite me. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.240 Maybe no, yeah he was, because that's they talked about 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:26.800 it when they traded for and they're like, yeah, nus 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.360 knows amar from Alabama. Um, well good because he's got 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.480 a Pro Bowl receiver, Pro Bowl running back, Pro Bowl quarterback, 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:37.080 and two offensive linemen. If if these are saying this 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.760 is bamma, I'm saying, you've got some guys that if 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.319 you need talent, they got here. You're right, You're right. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.400 If these are my options, I'd just as soon go 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.480 with Kellen Moore, to be honest with you, because I 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.400 don't think any of them are great options. But this 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.280 is the route the Cowboys have decided to go with. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.079 But why would you defer to Kellen Moore with those 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:58.160 other two? Because I'm going to and I'm not saying 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.640 that I should, but I'm going to choose to believe 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.800 the glowing praise about him from every direction. You know, 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.560 Travis Frederick talked about it, His coaches at Boise have 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.800 talked about it. Since all this kind of started to leak. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.520 Dak has been effusive in his praise for Kellen from 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.920 the get you know, in the time since he kind 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.959 of emerged as an offensive coordinator candidate. His John Gruden 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.760 quarterback camp videos have surfaced where he's breaking down tape 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.280 with John Gruden and you can see that he's a 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.560 smart guy. You can see the type of offense that 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.359 he ran at Boise State, and you know, they incorporated 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.400 things that I think a lot of Cowboys fans would 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.440 like to see, you know, when it comes to misdirection 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.680 and making simple things look complicated and things like that. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.600 I'm not saying he's gonna be good at it. I 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:49.320 have no idea, but I'll take the young unknown who 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.400 has the chance to be really good at it over 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.240 the guys that we've already seen doing. Like I said, 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.120 no idea if it'll be worth it, but if these 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.720 are my three choices, I'll just go with that. That's 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.679 and it just absolutely blows my mind that that's even 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.439 an option. Like, no disrespect to Kellen Moore, absolutely no 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:16.280 disrespect and keeping in mind that I know very very 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.680 very little compared to what they know over there on 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.560 the football side and what they do in those meetings. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:27.400 But I just cannot comprehend how you go from being 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.839 in charge of one guy basically Dak Prescott training him, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.959 you still didn't really see growth. I don't feel like 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.880 I saw any growth and difference from Dak compared to 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:45.200 previous years. Just something not impressive, you know. And I 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.319 just feel that you get one person that you're looking after, 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.640 it wasn't successful. Now you're given now you're being promoted, 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.040 and you give him the role to kind of manage 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.480 a bunch of different guys in a way in coordinate everything. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:04.640 And again we haven't seen that, but we know we 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.480 haven't seen him in this role. But we know the 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.600 relationship he had with Scott Linehan. And I'm not saying 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:15.280 they're one person, but we know how similar or from 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.640 what we heard, how similar they were, and how how 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.800 connected they were. So I'm thinking, in my mind, my 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.880 assumption is where they must be very alike, and their 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.840 train of thought and their methods must be very alike. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.400 You know something. I've heard of other people say that, 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.200 and I think that's a little bit unfair. Here's why 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.520 I'd say that. I'll give you an example. Nick and 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.000 I have worked together a very very long time, and 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.880 for most of that time I've been a supervisor. A 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:44.880 lot of people think me and Nick think alike because 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.640 of that. I would guarantee you that if I were 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.920 no longer in this position and Nick was running this department, 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.280 there will be a lot of things that will be 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.040 done very differently. I don't think it's fair to assume 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.760 that's true. It's very true, true, a lot of things 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.320 would be done different I don't think it's fair to 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.040 assume that us two people are connected and have been 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.120 connected for years, and have known each other for a 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.280 long time, and have worked together for a long time, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.440 and work in a relationship where they were kind of 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.640 doing similar jobs or doing the same kind of work, 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:13.600 that all of a sudden, if one would have the 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.120 ability to make the call over the other, that things 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.040 would stay the same. I don't think that's fair to say. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.160 And Stephen Jones did his best to put that idea 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.880 to the torch at the Senior Bowl. He he didn't 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.520 say Kellen Moore's name once, but he just he was like, 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.880 you know, you work under a coach, you have a 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.680 lot of respect for him. That doesn't mean you agree 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.720 with everything. And he was like, you know, we've got 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.760 young coaches on this staff who we think can implement 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.280 change if they're the ones calling the shots, which again 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.160 no idea if that will come to pass, but that 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.720 is what they are hoping for, and and it's again 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.880 it's it's right in line with the way Jason Garrett 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.440 has done things like they yea, I'm sorry, you don't 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.400 want to hear this listening at home. Like they don't 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:59.360 want radical change. They want minor tweaks that feel familiar 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.360 that will help them to be more efficient. They don't 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.120 want to completely overhaul everything. They just want it to 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.720 be a little bit better. Do they need a radical change? 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.400 I mean, because you can hear the arguments on both sides. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.200 On one side, you could say, well, this is a 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.880 team that has talent, this is a team that got 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.560 to the divisional round the playoffs, you don't need to 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.560 make radical change. But then on the flip side, you 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.000 can say, yeah, this is a team that over the 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.800 last few years has been perpetually in this position to 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.560 get as far as a divisional round and can't seem 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.680 to get over the hump. So maybe you need radical 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.080 change in order to see something different. What are your thoughts. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.280 I think they need a change in philosophy on this. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.400 You know, we do what we do because yep, teams 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.280 look at the teams are they have five or six 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.280 guys on their staff that are looking at what the 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.200 cowboys are doing all weeks. So they know what the 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.480 cowboys do. It's their job to be better than that 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.600 and say, you know, oh, well they think we might 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.600 do this or we you know, we might do that. 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.840 I mean, they need to be one step ahead of things. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.160 And you know, look no further than Dak when they 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.400 win games when he runs the ball. When he doesn't 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.160 run the ball, they don't win. We need to think 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.720 about that kind of stuff and and just try to 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.360 be better in and there, you know, play calling and 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.040 just and being you know, an imaginative a little bit. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.960 And they don't do that as well. It's very vanilla. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.360 And as to Amber's point, you know here, but the 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.360 only reason Kelen Moore has ever been an NFL quarterback 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.680 is because Scott Linahan pulled him from Detroit and put 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:20.280 him on the team and the team was so bad 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.400 because Romo got hurt that he got to play, and 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.040 he's played. He's probably the only reason he was on 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.800 the staff. So yeah, I think there's something to be 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.160 said for you. They must have something, you know, that 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.160 that's linked together. I just hope he may think that 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.200 he's just smart and he's a good coach, I hope, 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.240 and he understands a sport. That doesn't necessarily mean that 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.360 if he were calling the plays he would do it 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.280 the same way, right, it doesn't, But it's just it's 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.000 just something that doesn't really get you excited at this point. 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.120 It's not as such a drastic change to where you 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.080 would expect a big change in the whole offense and 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.640 the play calling. So I do wish him the best, 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.840 and I hope he's if he is given that promotion, 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.200 I do hope he's able to turn things around. But 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.200 at this point, it's nothing that gets me off my 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.359 chair jumping around and doing anything different. And one a 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.480 few weeks ago I had asked Nick, I'm like, okay, 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.840 when you start analyzing teams in the NFL, example, the 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.120 Patriots and what they've been able to do for so 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:19.320 many years, be so constant, and that's keeping in mind 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:23.280 that players come and go. I was asking you, what 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.600 what are they doing? Because I don't watch enough games 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.360 but you know that, um, they got a great quarterback 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:35.280 over there, there's absolutely no doubt exactly. But aside from that, 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:36.919 I mean, what are some of the guys some of 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.199 the things that from you watching the Patriots that they 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.119 they've been able to accomplish year after year and just 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.600 kind of make it happen what he just said, which first, 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:48.960 it's so it's a waste of time to try to 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.680 if we could all be the Patriots would be a 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.040 great example in a bad example. It's very very everybody 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.199 can't know. Nobody in the league can't. I will you know, 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.439 there's a thousand reasons why they are the way they are. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.080 But going back to Nick's point, the one thing that 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.840 they do so well that any team could learn from, 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:09.159 and a lot of teams do, is that they adapt 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.600 themselves to their opponent's weaknesses. And that's per game and 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.920 per season, like six years ago, within games yeah well no, yeah, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.199 but I mean six years ago they were winning with 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.040 two tight ends and they you know that everybody thought 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.000 that was going to be like a revolution in the league, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.360 and it was for a little bit, and then they 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.000 were like, okay, one of these guys as a murderer. Well, 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.679 we'll switch our team up. That's fine, and now like 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.760 now they're back in the super Bowl. Matter of fact, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.080 what I mean, Am I wrong? No, it's absolutely right, Dave. 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:38.879 So just your way of saying it. I love the 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.360 way you see it. They go. They go from dominating 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.480 the league with two tight ends and now now now 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.720 what are they doing. They're they you know, they can 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.320 line you up five wide with Brady and the shotgun, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.920 or they've now got a stable of running backs when 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.199 from Corey Dillon all the way until now, like they 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.000 were running forty year old Kevin Falk out there for 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.200 like six years. Like they just adapt and they ever 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.920 look the same. Like I said, week by week they 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:04.920 switch that up. They can go power at you, they 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.560 can go spread at you. And they do it based 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.720 upon This goes back to Nick's original point too. They 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.479 do it based upon what you do well. Because if 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.200 you watch it Patriots game every single week, the first 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.600 one thing you can count on every single time you 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.760 watch the Patriots, whoever the opposing player is that's really 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.080 really good. He's not gonna have a great day. I 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.480 know that from watching from playing fantasy, like they're gonna 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.360 shut that guy down and say, now you gotta beat 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.480