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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, January thirty, of the two thousand nineteen
Speaker 1: season fourteen, episode number one hundred and fourteen. Welcome to
Speaker 1: another edition of The Break. We are live nest WBC
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Speaker 1: you guys. Shout out to my boy A K. Hill
Speaker 1: for starting that whole thing up. So let's just let's
Speaker 1: talk a little cowboys. But how are you day? Nick?
Speaker 1: I'm great? Thank you? Good? All right? Amber, Good to
Speaker 1: have you back in the building. Hey, the three of us,
Speaker 1: what are you talking? Oh that's true? Well yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess Yet where where were you? Where did you go
Speaker 1: working on my side businesses making commercials art? I was
Speaker 1: in Mobile, Alabama? So yeah, very different than one yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: All right. So we got a lot to talk about today. Um,
Speaker 1: I want to talk first. I'm about this coaching staff,
Speaker 1: and then a little later in the show. I have
Speaker 1: some questions for you guys, and those questions will kind
Speaker 1: of give us a good bow or put a good
Speaker 1: bow on this season. It will be a little bit
Speaker 1: of a season in review. We'll go around the table
Speaker 1: and get some answers on some of those questions. But
Speaker 1: let's start first with the coaching coaching staff. What we
Speaker 1: know right now is that Scott landa hands out. Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett said as much a week and a half ago.
Speaker 1: I think it was at this point we know that
Speaker 1: John Kittner is maybe in. Do we know that? What
Speaker 1: was gonna say. What we know is he was at
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl with the coaching staff. We know he
Speaker 1: operating right operating with the coaching staff. But there's been
Speaker 1: nothing official that says that he's in and that he
Speaker 1: has a role. Those are the things that we know
Speaker 1: right now with this coaching staff. So what I figured
Speaker 1: we would do is let's talk a little bit about assumptions,
Speaker 1: and let's make an assumption first that there will be
Speaker 1: no new members added to this coaching staff. I want
Speaker 1: you guys to tell me what you think of these
Speaker 1: people in these roles. John Kitten as your quarterback coach,
Speaker 1: I love it. I think he's a good coach. Number
Speaker 1: Number one, he's a coach. I mean, he he has
Speaker 1: no good He's done it, though, but he's done it.
Speaker 1: He's been a coach before, and he's when you're a
Speaker 1: backup quarterback for sixteen years, which sounds familiar. But Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but but you you've been coaching way
Speaker 1: longer than when you started, you know, becoming a coach.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was coaching Carson Palmer at Cincinnati. He
Speaker 1: was coaching Tony Romo when he was here, So he's
Speaker 1: a quarterback coach. He's he's gonna be very, very valuable
Speaker 1: for Dak And I love it. If that's the move.
Speaker 1: I really like it, MP, I don't mind me it
Speaker 1: at all. It's I know, I did some research on
Speaker 1: his whole experience, and I know one of y'all wrote
Speaker 1: an article about him and his whole story, which is, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the experience from college and all that stuff
Speaker 1: obviously helps a lot, and he can do a lot
Speaker 1: of things that I haven't. I mean, it's so hard.
Speaker 1: It's so hard to evaluate Kelen because you're not there
Speaker 1: listening to what he's saying to Dack. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, just watching from the outside, you feel that
Speaker 1: he's not really doing much to help him. But it's
Speaker 1: just going back and forth. But I have a feeling
Speaker 1: that this is a great addition and it's gonna add
Speaker 1: rather than subtract or not do anything. Dave. Everything they
Speaker 1: just said, I agree with. I do like it. Overall,
Speaker 1: part of me is just kind of leery because it's
Speaker 1: such a Jason Garrett higher, Like, like, who do I know? Who?
Speaker 1: Who do I know that? Who have I worked with
Speaker 1: that could maybe do this? Okay? Yeah, John, Like he's older,
Speaker 1: he's coached in high school, Like I know him? Okay, Like,
Speaker 1: and I know you know that's something I know frustrates
Speaker 1: fans because I read my mentions every day, like you
Speaker 1: want new, you want different, you want conflicting ideas and ideologies,
Speaker 1: And that's probably not this because it's a guy that's
Speaker 1: played here that knows Jason Garrett really well. Familiarity is
Speaker 1: a big deal to him. He's never told me that,
Speaker 1: but every higher he's ever made, suggesting that there was
Speaker 1: a big higher that they made last year and christ
Speaker 1: Chard stepped outside of enter and the results were right,
Speaker 1: maybe great, awesome, And I think you hit the nail
Speaker 1: on the head that when you look at this and
Speaker 1: the ability for someone to come in and create, to
Speaker 1: create clash, I guess that's the best way to put
Speaker 1: it into in debate. That's kind of the thing, to
Speaker 1: be able to come in and create a different viewpoint,
Speaker 1: to be able to come in and challenge things that
Speaker 1: everybody just thinks are facts, which really aren't facts. They're
Speaker 1: more opinions. But it takes somebody from the outside sometimes
Speaker 1: it doesn't think like that to say that's not really
Speaker 1: a fact, that's an opinion. And I think there's another
Speaker 1: opinion that might be better is Byron Jones a corner.
Speaker 1: If Christoh Chardon Wright higher, he might be, but you
Speaker 1: can't say for certainty that he would write yeah, stuff
Speaker 1: like that, And so at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I think it's a solid hire. Actually, you know, I
Speaker 1: looked this up for the story I wrote, like kitt
Speaker 1: and I had success as a high school coach, Like
Speaker 1: he took over his alt right. Well, he started at
Speaker 1: his alma mater and Tacoma, Washington. They were like, I
Speaker 1: think they were like two and eight and he went
Speaker 1: eleven and one and you know, like they were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he turned him into a pretty good team. And then
Speaker 1: he went back to the Cowboys for a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he actually left it. Yeah, they hired him. They hired
Speaker 1: him back. And I think that's important because because they
Speaker 1: needed somebody on the fly who knows it and who
Speaker 1: can come in and be smart and figure things out. Quickly.
Speaker 1: And you know that was just a one game option.
Speaker 1: But he obviously just proves just how much he's still
Speaker 1: with it. I mean, as far as what this offense is,
Speaker 1: he can come in, he can adapt quickly. Was he
Speaker 1: as a player, He was a He was a pretty
Speaker 1: good player, A solid quarter. Yeah, he was solid. He
Speaker 1: was never a great athlete looking guy, you know, but
Speaker 1: it's like he wasn't the fastest, didn't have a great arm,
Speaker 1: but he was good enough to be a backup. And
Speaker 1: I'll say that he had some pretty good years as
Speaker 1: a starting Cincinnati in Detroit, he had some pretty fantastic years.
Speaker 1: When they drafted Carson Palmer, I know he sat all
Speaker 1: year because Kittna played, and he was good enough to
Speaker 1: play and keep the first round to pick on the bench,
Speaker 1: which was what the philosophy was. But he obviously was
Speaker 1: good enough to keep him there and then and then
Speaker 1: he better than anything. He handled it of like, all right, now,
Speaker 1: you're the guy. I get it. I know that he
Speaker 1: understands the dynamics of things. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I think it's a good hire. But the the the
Speaker 1: familiarity of it gives me pause a little bit. But
Speaker 1: that's okay, and that, to be honest with you, think
Speaker 1: any coach in the league is any different. I really
Speaker 1: think that a lot of coaches higher than people they do.
Speaker 1: Oh and you're right, you know, or at least somebody
Speaker 1: that they know knows him, you know, refer to him.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Let's talk about now the
Speaker 1: role of play caller. And I'm gonna throw three names out,
Speaker 1: and I want you to tell me of those three names,
Speaker 1: put them in priority order of which one you'd want
Speaker 1: to see first, second, and third. Now, again we're assuming
Speaker 1: we want to see that you think should be the
Speaker 1: play caller in order of one. This is the guy
Speaker 1: definitely want, down to three, this is the guy don't want,
Speaker 1: all right, And again we're assuming that there are now
Speaker 1: no new people that are going to be added into
Speaker 1: this mix. The people that are already on the staff
Speaker 1: are presumed to be on the staff, will be the
Speaker 1: people that will they will be choosing from. All right,
Speaker 1: So it's Kellen Moore, Jason Garrett, Doug nuss Meyer, and
Speaker 1: one other qualification. We're talking specifically about play caller, not
Speaker 1: necessarily just offensive coordinator, but the person that's going to
Speaker 1: be calling the plays on Sundays. I think that you know,
Speaker 1: this isn't to mess up your game or anything. I'll
Speaker 1: give my answer because I don't you know all I've
Speaker 1: seen really call plays as Jason Garrett. But I think
Speaker 1: we know who it's going to be, you know, Jason Garrett. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he did talk at the Pro Bowl, not to us,
Speaker 1: not to the media, but he talked to Jason Witten
Speaker 1: and the crew of the of the Monday Night crew
Speaker 1: that did the game. And if you listen to the game,
Speaker 1: if you if you put yourself through that misery and
Speaker 1: watch that and listen to it, they said, you know,
Speaker 1: Moore is gonna have a good year. You know he's
Speaker 1: gonna be able to call the plays, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: have a different style. And it wasn't like this is
Speaker 1: what they think is going to happen. This is what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. So I think Jason Garrett told them
Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen. I really believe that. So
Speaker 1: I that being said, Kellen Moore will probably be the
Speaker 1: play caller. I've only seen Jason Garrett do it. He
Speaker 1: did a nice job. You think should be calling place.
Speaker 1: I'd like seeing Smarr honestly, really why Um? I think
Speaker 1: Dak is the closest thing to a college quarterback. UM
Speaker 1: college type system. I think that will work with him here,
Speaker 1: and I think he's got the best experience when different
Speaker 1: college systems. I think it'd be interesting to see what
Speaker 1: he does. What do you know about his because I
Speaker 1: haven't researched it much, but just in reading little articles
Speaker 1: and tweets here and there, it sounds like he wasn't
Speaker 1: a guy that was beloved by a lot of college
Speaker 1: fans at the stops where he was an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: What do you know about his career there? I guess
Speaker 1: as a college offensive coordinator, I know he did. He
Speaker 1: did win a national title with Alabama as their play call.
Speaker 1: Everybody exactly that's so yeah, I mean, pig that for
Speaker 1: what it's worth. And uh, his stint at Florida was
Speaker 1: not very memorable when you could. I mean that has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with talent. Michigan to the Alabama
Speaker 1: was his best results also probably his best talent. I
Speaker 1: think he got there right after McCarron left. I think
Speaker 1: I think he was there the year Jacob Coker one,
Speaker 1: which is like the worst quarterback Alabama's one a national
Speaker 1: title with he did something with a little less well,
Speaker 1: he had all Americans at every other position. He might
Speaker 1: have been there with Amari Cooper, but don't quite me.
Speaker 1: Maybe no, yeah he was, because that's they talked about
Speaker 1: it when they traded for and they're like, yeah, nus
Speaker 1: knows amar from Alabama. Um, well good because he's got
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl receiver, Pro Bowl running back, Pro Bowl quarterback,
Speaker 1: and two offensive linemen. If if these are saying this
Speaker 1: is bamma, I'm saying, you've got some guys that if
Speaker 1: you need talent, they got here. You're right, You're right.
Speaker 1: If these are my options, I'd just as soon go
Speaker 1: with Kellen Moore, to be honest with you, because I
Speaker 1: don't think any of them are great options. But this
Speaker 1: is the route the Cowboys have decided to go with.
Speaker 1: But why would you defer to Kellen Moore with those
Speaker 1: other two? Because I'm going to and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that I should, but I'm going to choose to believe
Speaker 1: the glowing praise about him from every direction. You know,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick talked about it, His coaches at Boise have
Speaker 1: talked about it. Since all this kind of started to leak.
Speaker 1: Dak has been effusive in his praise for Kellen from
Speaker 1: the get you know, in the time since he kind
Speaker 1: of emerged as an offensive coordinator candidate. His John Gruden
Speaker 1: quarterback camp videos have surfaced where he's breaking down tape
Speaker 1: with John Gruden and you can see that he's a
Speaker 1: smart guy. You can see the type of offense that
Speaker 1: he ran at Boise State, and you know, they incorporated
Speaker 1: things that I think a lot of Cowboys fans would
Speaker 1: like to see, you know, when it comes to misdirection
Speaker 1: and making simple things look complicated and things like that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna be good at it. I
Speaker 1: have no idea, but I'll take the young unknown who
Speaker 1: has the chance to be really good at it over
Speaker 1: the guys that we've already seen doing. Like I said,
Speaker 1: no idea if it'll be worth it, but if these
Speaker 1: are my three choices, I'll just go with that. That's
Speaker 1: and it just absolutely blows my mind that that's even
Speaker 1: an option. Like, no disrespect to Kellen Moore, absolutely no
Speaker 1: disrespect and keeping in mind that I know very very
Speaker 1: very little compared to what they know over there on
Speaker 1: the football side and what they do in those meetings.
Speaker 1: But I just cannot comprehend how you go from being
Speaker 1: in charge of one guy basically Dak Prescott training him,
Speaker 1: you still didn't really see growth. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I saw any growth and difference from Dak compared to
Speaker 1: previous years. Just something not impressive, you know. And I
Speaker 1: just feel that you get one person that you're looking after,
Speaker 1: it wasn't successful. Now you're given now you're being promoted,
Speaker 1: and you give him the role to kind of manage
Speaker 1: a bunch of different guys in a way in coordinate everything.
Speaker 1: And again we haven't seen that, but we know we
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in this role. But we know the
Speaker 1: relationship he had with Scott Linehan. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they're one person, but we know how similar or from
Speaker 1: what we heard, how similar they were, and how how
Speaker 1: connected they were. So I'm thinking, in my mind, my
Speaker 1: assumption is where they must be very alike, and their
Speaker 1: train of thought and their methods must be very alike.
Speaker 1: You know something. I've heard of other people say that,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a little bit unfair. Here's why
Speaker 1: I'd say that. I'll give you an example. Nick and
Speaker 1: I have worked together a very very long time, and
Speaker 1: for most of that time I've been a supervisor. A
Speaker 1: lot of people think me and Nick think alike because
Speaker 1: of that. I would guarantee you that if I were
Speaker 1: no longer in this position and Nick was running this department,
Speaker 1: there will be a lot of things that will be
Speaker 1: done very differently. I don't think it's fair to assume
Speaker 1: that's true. It's very true, true, a lot of things
Speaker 1: would be done different I don't think it's fair to
Speaker 1: assume that us two people are connected and have been
Speaker 1: connected for years, and have known each other for a
Speaker 1: long time, and have worked together for a long time,
Speaker 1: and work in a relationship where they were kind of
Speaker 1: doing similar jobs or doing the same kind of work,
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, if one would have the
Speaker 1: ability to make the call over the other, that things
Speaker 1: would stay the same. I don't think that's fair to say.
Speaker 1: And Stephen Jones did his best to put that idea
Speaker 1: to the torch at the Senior Bowl. He he didn't
Speaker 1: say Kellen Moore's name once, but he just he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, you work under a coach, you have a
Speaker 1: lot of respect for him. That doesn't mean you agree
Speaker 1: with everything. And he was like, you know, we've got
Speaker 1: young coaches on this staff who we think can implement
Speaker 1: change if they're the ones calling the shots, which again
Speaker 1: no idea if that will come to pass, but that
Speaker 1: is what they are hoping for, and and it's again
Speaker 1: it's it's right in line with the way Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: has done things like they yea, I'm sorry, you don't
Speaker 1: want to hear this listening at home. Like they don't
Speaker 1: want radical change. They want minor tweaks that feel familiar
Speaker 1: that will help them to be more efficient. They don't
Speaker 1: want to completely overhaul everything. They just want it to
Speaker 1: be a little bit better. Do they need a radical change?
Speaker 1: I mean, because you can hear the arguments on both sides.
Speaker 1: On one side, you could say, well, this is a
Speaker 1: team that has talent, this is a team that got
Speaker 1: to the divisional round the playoffs, you don't need to
Speaker 1: make radical change. But then on the flip side, you
Speaker 1: can say, yeah, this is a team that over the
Speaker 1: last few years has been perpetually in this position to
Speaker 1: get as far as a divisional round and can't seem
Speaker 1: to get over the hump. So maybe you need radical
Speaker 1: change in order to see something different. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 1: I think they need a change in philosophy on this.
Speaker 1: You know, we do what we do because yep, teams
Speaker 1: look at the teams are they have five or six
Speaker 1: guys on their staff that are looking at what the
Speaker 1: cowboys are doing all weeks. So they know what the
Speaker 1: cowboys do. It's their job to be better than that
Speaker 1: and say, you know, oh, well they think we might
Speaker 1: do this or we you know, we might do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, they need to be one step ahead of things.
Speaker 1: And you know, look no further than Dak when they
Speaker 1: win games when he runs the ball. When he doesn't
Speaker 1: run the ball, they don't win. We need to think
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff and and just try to
Speaker 1: be better in and there, you know, play calling and
Speaker 1: just and being you know, an imaginative a little bit.
Speaker 1: And they don't do that as well. It's very vanilla.
Speaker 1: And as to Amber's point, you know here, but the
Speaker 1: only reason Kelen Moore has ever been an NFL quarterback
Speaker 1: is because Scott Linahan pulled him from Detroit and put
Speaker 1: him on the team and the team was so bad
Speaker 1: because Romo got hurt that he got to play, and
Speaker 1: he's played. He's probably the only reason he was on
Speaker 1: the staff. So yeah, I think there's something to be
Speaker 1: said for you. They must have something, you know, that
Speaker 1: that's linked together. I just hope he may think that
Speaker 1: he's just smart and he's a good coach, I hope,
Speaker 1: and he understands a sport. That doesn't necessarily mean that
Speaker 1: if he were calling the plays he would do it
Speaker 1: the same way, right, it doesn't, But it's just it's
Speaker 1: just something that doesn't really get you excited at this point.
Speaker 1: It's not as such a drastic change to where you
Speaker 1: would expect a big change in the whole offense and
Speaker 1: the play calling. So I do wish him the best,
Speaker 1: and I hope he's if he is given that promotion,
Speaker 1: I do hope he's able to turn things around. But
Speaker 1: at this point, it's nothing that gets me off my
Speaker 1: chair jumping around and doing anything different. And one a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago I had asked Nick, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: when you start analyzing teams in the NFL, example, the
Speaker 1: Patriots and what they've been able to do for so
Speaker 1: many years, be so constant, and that's keeping in mind
Speaker 1: that players come and go. I was asking you, what
Speaker 1: what are they doing? Because I don't watch enough games
Speaker 1: but you know that, um, they got a great quarterback
Speaker 1: over there, there's absolutely no doubt exactly. But aside from that,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are some of the guys some of
Speaker 1: the things that from you watching the Patriots that they
Speaker 1: they've been able to accomplish year after year and just
Speaker 1: kind of make it happen what he just said, which first,
Speaker 1: it's so it's a waste of time to try to
Speaker 1: if we could all be the Patriots would be a
Speaker 1: great example in a bad example. It's very very everybody
Speaker 1: can't know. Nobody in the league can't. I will you know,
Speaker 1: there's a thousand reasons why they are the way they are.
Speaker 1: But going back to Nick's point, the one thing that
Speaker 1: they do so well that any team could learn from,
Speaker 1: and a lot of teams do, is that they adapt
Speaker 1: themselves to their opponent's weaknesses. And that's per game and
Speaker 1: per season, like six years ago, within games yeah well no, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean six years ago they were winning with
Speaker 1: two tight ends and they you know that everybody thought
Speaker 1: that was going to be like a revolution in the league,
Speaker 1: and it was for a little bit, and then they
Speaker 1: were like, okay, one of these guys as a murderer. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll switch our team up. That's fine, and now like
Speaker 1: now they're back in the super Bowl. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: what I mean, Am I wrong? No, it's absolutely right, Dave.
Speaker 1: So just your way of saying it. I love the
Speaker 1: way you see it. They go. They go from dominating
Speaker 1: the league with two tight ends and now now now
Speaker 1: what are they doing. They're they you know, they can
Speaker 1: line you up five wide with Brady and the shotgun,
Speaker 1: or they've now got a stable of running backs when
Speaker 1: from Corey Dillon all the way until now, like they
Speaker 1: were running forty year old Kevin Falk out there for
Speaker 1: like six years. Like they just adapt and they ever
Speaker 1: look the same. Like I said, week by week they
Speaker 1: switch that up. They can go power at you, they
Speaker 1: can go spread at you. And they do it based
Speaker 1: upon This goes back to Nick's original point too. They
Speaker 1: do it based upon what you do well. Because if
Speaker 1: you watch it Patriots game every single week, the first
Speaker 1: one thing you can count on every single time you
Speaker 1: watch the Patriots, whoever the opposing player is that's really
Speaker 1: really good. He's not gonna have a great day. I
Speaker 1: know that from watching from playing fantasy, like they're gonna
Speaker 1: shut that guy down and say, now you gotta beat
Speaker 1: us with your second guy. That guy's not gonna have
Speaker 1: a great day. Can you do that? And that means
Speaker 1: every week they have to adapt their game plan and
Speaker 1: their personnel to be able to stop a particular player
Speaker 1: and then say, now, with what's left, can you figure
Speaker 1: it out? And most teams cannot consistently figure it out.
Speaker 1: So basically, not we do what we do, name it faceless.
Speaker 1: It's exactly the opposite. It's exactly the opposite of philosophy
Speaker 1: that the coach says publicly. Now I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: behind the scenes they do something differently, but what he
Speaker 1: says publicly it's exactly a different philosophy than what they
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's mantra is like, if we do what we
Speaker 1: want to do, you know, to the best of our abilities,
Speaker 1: they can't stop us, whereas Belichick is like, hasn't worked out,
Speaker 1: they're pretty good at stopping that. So we're gonna do
Speaker 1: something completely different. And that's I mean, that's that's the
Speaker 1: essence of football, in my opinion. It's like having a
Speaker 1: countermeasure to their best, Like that's like the essence of
Speaker 1: the game really, So that rules, Like the Patriots I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if there be. They've been though. They've
Speaker 1: broken a few, they've broken, they've broken a few, miss
Speaker 1: broken a few. Miss me, miss me with the cheating talk,
Speaker 1: like you don't. I'm sorry. You know that's fine that
Speaker 1: you don't have to buy into it. But it'sn't true.
Speaker 1: It's true cheating talk. I should they've been rules, they
Speaker 1: figure out ways to get around stuff. They've broken rules. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's documented at least twice. At least twice. Everybody cheats,
Speaker 1: but he's done, but not every doing grazing nine super bowls,
Speaker 1: and you can cheat on accident. The quarterback, not the
Speaker 1: quarterback cheat on accident. Also, Tom Brady, you don't find
Speaker 1: him in like the guy that makes the most money
Speaker 1: in the league. No, because he's past all that. He's
Speaker 1: like okay, I know. And they also got a very
Speaker 1: wealthy wife, like there are help. It helps the whole family.
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, it's like wife, it's bringing in
Speaker 1: a little too. There's a hundred thousand trust me, here's
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand reasons why the Patriots are where they are.
Speaker 1: Like it's dumb to even try to compare it step
Speaker 1: by step, but you can start with big, obvious examples
Speaker 1: like the one we just talked about that could probably
Speaker 1: help you be more successful. Who's next? Though, Like, who's
Speaker 1: after that? You know, people always like to say, well,
Speaker 1: look at the Patriots are well who's next? Who does it?
Speaker 1: Who has been consistent like that? Who? No, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, let's take a break and then come back.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. We'll do that when we come
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Speaker 1: second segment of The Break Live at the s WBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage studios at the Star We're talking Cowboys football. We've
Speaker 1: been talking about this coaching staff and Nick, just before
Speaker 1: the break, you had a question you wanted to throw
Speaker 1: out there. What's your question? Well, we were just talking
Speaker 1: about obviously what the Patriots have done on a completely
Speaker 1: a different level. But you know, when you're talking about
Speaker 1: other teams that have done it well on a consistent basis,
Speaker 1: continuity is also a big deal. And and and Jerry loves continuity,
Speaker 1: you know. And don't think it doesn't matter. Don't think
Speaker 1: it doesn't This team hasn't has drafted well because there
Speaker 1: is continuity in what Will McClay wants to do. He
Speaker 1: knows what Jason Garrett wants, and their staff they know
Speaker 1: what they want. It's working as far as drafting goes.
Speaker 1: Other teams doing it, I mean other teams that consistent.
Speaker 1: We mentioned well, Saints, well, we mentioned we mentioned teams
Speaker 1: like the Steelers, like the Packers, like Seahawks, And to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, there's one thing that I think
Speaker 1: is in common with all of those. It is number one,
Speaker 1: they've got a really good quarterback. And number two, the
Speaker 1: continuity is between the quarterback and the head coach. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of other pieces that change. They'll change coordinators.
Speaker 1: They'll change other skill players on the team, They'll change
Speaker 1: other you know, other pieces on the team. But what
Speaker 1: stays consistent on all three of those teams is their
Speaker 1: quarterback and their head coach have stayed pretty much the same.
Speaker 1: Now the Packers are changing their head coach, we'll see
Speaker 1: if that if that kind of reasserts their their consistency,
Speaker 1: because obviously this year was a little bit of an
Speaker 1: anomaly for them. But that all being said, again, the
Speaker 1: quarterback the head coach makes a difference. I mean, sorry,
Speaker 1: I was going to ask a different question. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what I was going to ask one two that
Speaker 1: I've been thinking for the last few weeks. You said,
Speaker 1: quarterback and head coach. Can you think of the greatest
Speaker 1: head coaches in the history of the game? Belichick? Okay,
Speaker 1: the best coaches, every name, best coaches, A Lombardi All Sorry,
Speaker 1: not of course, Landry Landry Law Yeah, every coach, Uh Parcels,
Speaker 1: forget that, I'm getting there. But the thing about it
Speaker 1: is he's the only one. Bill Parcels is the only
Speaker 1: coach that is considered a great coach that didn't really
Speaker 1: have a Hall of Fame quarterback. Everybody that you would
Speaker 1: ever call it to be a great coach has had
Speaker 1: a great quarterback. Maybe it's the other way around, maybe
Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks because it's a great coach either way.
Speaker 1: The classic that is a really good parselves now blo.
Speaker 1: Now he also moved around a lot to he made
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career out of kind of jumping.
Speaker 1: I know that he didn't. I know he didn't play
Speaker 1: in that Super Bowl. But Parcels had sims for a while.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a Hall of Fame He's pretty
Speaker 1: good though. He's a good player. He's good. He was
Speaker 1: a really really good player. But he wasn't. He wasn't
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame worthy and Bledsoe has all these other
Speaker 1: guys were talking about, sure their quarterbacks were in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I get it. Yeah. So it's just
Speaker 1: they kind of go hand in hand. That's what I
Speaker 1: was trying. It's a good point for Parcels. What was
Speaker 1: the drop? What was he saying? Mickey, Mickey? What would
Speaker 1: you what would you okay, not including the Patriots, what
Speaker 1: would you say? What would you say of in the
Speaker 1: most consistently good teams in the NFL over the last
Speaker 1: like ten or so years, Pittsburgh, I got, I got Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Green Bay, and Denver pulled up right now,
Speaker 1: I would say Seattle, oh, oh, Seattle is a good one.
Speaker 1: Hang on because ten years yeah, last ten years say yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I'm missing anybody would missing anybody here? Mean the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks are probably a good example because so all right,
Speaker 1: starting when Carol and them took over, they had two
Speaker 1: losing seasons and they haven't had one since. Everybody else
Speaker 1: is a good resume, everybody else is Uh. Pittsburgh's gone
Speaker 1: eight and eight two times in that span. They went
Speaker 1: nine six and one. This year Green just went six
Speaker 1: nine and one. They had an eight seven and one
Speaker 1: when Rogers got hurt. Uh. Point being like, the best
Speaker 1: teams in the league are going to have down years, well,
Speaker 1: they pale in comparison to what the Patriots have done.
Speaker 1: Absolutely freaking The Patriots have been to the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: nine of the last eighteen years. Half I'm talking in
Speaker 1: a late in a league of thirty two teams, half
Speaker 1: of the last eighteen years they've been to the top,
Speaker 1: to the game to win a championship. And if you
Speaker 1: go back to the last fifteen or seventeen years, eighteen years? Um,
Speaker 1: how many Hall of Famers are going to be from
Speaker 1: the Patriots? One for sure out of Son? Well two okay,
Speaker 1: Brady Gronk Bronk for sure. That's it? Unill well, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: are we we're talking technically? Randy Moss is a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame? Is lawyer Malloya in the finalist this year?
Speaker 1: Maybe he might be a guy that can get in, saying,
Speaker 1: um n they all was there for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison count No, he's charger. Rodney Harrison's probably not
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame, or is he? Uh no, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: if Darren Woodson's not a Hall of Fame, No, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. They don't have the offensive lineman. They
Speaker 1: just William mc ginnis might get in maybe at some point.
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's another defensive lineman that's finals too. Um no, no,
Speaker 1: no defensive lineman. Umm, will might get into. Yeah. Still
Speaker 1: not going to be a super long list. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you're right, And it's a good point. It's a good point.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just the and that's what they've done
Speaker 1: in the free agency era is unbelievable. It just really is.
Speaker 1: It's it's remarkable, and it's it puts all these other
Speaker 1: coaches of like, why can't you be like that? I
Speaker 1: mean they're just they're just on a different level. But yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they guess something else going on. Okay, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: good for them. I mean it's working right whatever that word?
Speaker 1: You know what I would win? I was driving down
Speaker 1: the highway yesterday and you know those signs that that
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you'd buckle up and all that. You know what?
Speaker 1: They tweeted it out. Yeah, and then Darren Velt picked
Speaker 1: it up and and tweeted it and what is it?
Speaker 1: Finished the sentence? Then what does your tires flat? As
Speaker 1: a Patriots football call? Whatever the number is? How that
Speaker 1: just seems in Dallas? But seven years later, five years later, No,
Speaker 1: it's just people. It's just people that are looking at
Speaker 1: the super Bowl like the super Bowl is a big event.
Speaker 1: I want to get my piece of it. So here's
Speaker 1: my going to cause a wreck? Because you're like, what
Speaker 1: what did I Why don't they do that? Like they
Speaker 1: I the one that I don't drink and drive and
Speaker 1: just move on. No, but no, I think it's great.
Speaker 1: Like during the holidays, they were like the sign said
Speaker 1: was like you don't want to see your in laws anyway,
Speaker 1: slow down, drive safe or something. And I was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: smart not for me, but it's a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But they have jokey jokes like that. No, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's running those I got one good, I got good.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they ever step over the line, you
Speaker 1: know how you a social media person, like you step
Speaker 1: over the line where it's like, oh, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: five whoa, whoa. No, don't don't say that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you like I'm gonna put this around right. No. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a bad idea. It just speaks I don't think
Speaker 1: it speaks to the Super Bowl. I really think it
Speaker 1: just speaks to how much people hate the Patriots, Like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody hates the Patriots. If you're not a Patriots fan,
Speaker 1: you hate the Patriots. But guess what, I don't hate that.
Speaker 1: That's the same thing that you that most people say
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys and would say about most big franchises
Speaker 1: that have had a sustained period of success. It's because
Speaker 1: over that period people start to say, I just don't
Speaker 1: want I want to see anybody win but them, And
Speaker 1: so if you're not a fan, then you become an
Speaker 1: anti fan, you know. So it is what it is,
Speaker 1: all right? Let me let me ask this real going
Speaker 1: back to what you started talking about, Nick, the whole
Speaker 1: correlation between the head coach and the quarterback. Now that
Speaker 1: you got Dak Prescott and in three of his first
Speaker 1: years here, they've made it to the playoffs. Three in
Speaker 1: the first years, two of those they made it to
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Does this start a new clock for Garrett?
Speaker 1: Or you're still running the same clock? Wait? Say again,
Speaker 1: they explain that to me, Explain to me what you're asking. Well,
Speaker 1: now that he got a young quarterback, new one, he's
Speaker 1: proven in three years out of those three he's they've
Speaker 1: been able to get to the playoffs twice. And whether
Speaker 1: you'd like Dak or not, or you hate him and
Speaker 1: you think he sucked, they still made it to the
Speaker 1: playoffs twice. Does having this and seeing what they've been
Speaker 1: able to do in three years start a new different
Speaker 1: clock on Jason Garrett? Or you're still running they asked me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: ask me, has gotten a new contract yet? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. If if he starts a new contract,
Speaker 1: then yes, But which well that it's fascinating because you know,
Speaker 1: before the season even ended, the rappaports of the world
Speaker 1: were reporting that those conversations were going to ramp up
Speaker 1: and maybe they will, like Jeff Sullivan had Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: he did. Uh Jeff Sullivan had it in October yea, um,
Speaker 1: maybe he does. And there's no and he's nobody still
Speaker 1: believes that too. He's like, hey, this is happening. There's
Speaker 1: no parameters for coaches. You know, we know when DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence needs to have a new contract by like, there's
Speaker 1: no time limit on Jason Garrett, but other than by
Speaker 1: the end of next year, right, No, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: they could sign it today, they could do it in
Speaker 1: three months, so I don't know. But if he goes
Speaker 1: in the next season without a deal, then hell no,
Speaker 1: that's where he's win or you might not be. Right now,
Speaker 1: we're having the same conversation we were having last year.
Speaker 1: Now a week from now, he might be on a
Speaker 1: five year deal and that's a pretty telling indicator that
Speaker 1: he's got more time. And by the way, let's also
Speaker 1: remember they did an improbable thing this year. They got
Speaker 1: to the playoffs after starting three and five. If they
Speaker 1: didn't turn that around. It's my personal belief that we
Speaker 1: would have already seen them make a move at the
Speaker 1: head coach. I don't I don't think Garret would have
Speaker 1: stuck around if they would have continued on the track
Speaker 1: they were on at three and five. Let's say they
Speaker 1: end at six and ten, I don't think he comes back.
Speaker 1: So that to me says that it didn't set a
Speaker 1: new clock. It's about what are you doing right now?
Speaker 1: And I think he probably bought himself a year or
Speaker 1: two with what they did this year getting back three
Speaker 1: and five. Well, but let them let them blow it
Speaker 1: next year. And I think all bets are we should
Speaker 1: have We should have talked about this when we were
Speaker 1: more knee deep in the Kellen Moore stuff, because hey,
Speaker 1: maybe he is getting maybe he is getting a new deal.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting that that's they're higher because I mean,
Speaker 1: if Jason Garrett's getting a new contract, then you can
Speaker 1: go get whoever you want. If Jason Garrett's going to
Speaker 1: play out the rest of this deal and he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a long term future, it hinders your ability to
Speaker 1: go get some oc to come in here and not
Speaker 1: know what it's Yeah, and I don't know this for sure.
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised at all if Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: gets an extension this offseason. But to me, it kind
Speaker 1: of says, all right, let's let's try this young hotshot out,
Speaker 1: see what y'all can do, and hope for your sake
Speaker 1: that it's good. Like that doesn't Isn't that hope? Hope
Speaker 1: it works out? Guys? Isn't that kind of how that
Speaker 1: sounds to you? Like? Am I crazy for thinking that?
Speaker 1: That's logical to me? And so we'll see im And
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe Garrett will get an extension, but
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like we would have heard more
Speaker 1: about it. Maybe not though well that I think there's
Speaker 1: still is that possibility, mainly because I believe him talking,
Speaker 1: him not talking to Nick. You were there last week.
Speaker 1: I believe him not talking last week. I think there
Speaker 1: are a lot of layers to that, and I think
Speaker 1: one of those layers could be he doesn't know what
Speaker 1: his own status is, and I don't mean from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of necessarily getting fired, but he doesn't know like
Speaker 1: he might be getting a contract extension. If he gets
Speaker 1: to contract extension, maybe it changes how he looks at
Speaker 1: being able to go and get a new OC. If
Speaker 1: he doesn't, then he's sticking with the options that he
Speaker 1: has here. No, that's the point, like they don't have
Speaker 1: there is no timetable other than by the end of
Speaker 1: next season, by the end of nineteen is is contract
Speaker 1: is up right, So at that point then there's a
Speaker 1: timetable because he's basically free agent and you don't have
Speaker 1: you don't have franchise tax for head coaches, so he's
Speaker 1: a free aging do whatever where he wants to. But
Speaker 1: before he didn't get his last extension until after the
Speaker 1: conclusion of his last year, which was fourteen. Like we right,
Speaker 1: But the point, but the point is, at that point
Speaker 1: he could walk. He doesn't have to take your off right,
Speaker 1: so he can go out and just bid this services out.
Speaker 1: And if and if what Jerry said earlier this offseason,
Speaker 1: which is if he'd have been out on the market
Speaker 1: this year, he'd have gotten five offers. And how you're
Speaker 1: bidding against other teams, maybe it's a lot harder to
Speaker 1: get him back for the money that you want to
Speaker 1: get him back for because some team is just like, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll throw more money at him because we feel like
Speaker 1: we really can get some value of what he brings,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, all right, here we go. Let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit of season and review. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: back and look at twenty nineteen, and I have a
Speaker 1: list of questions here. There are six questions, And feel free,
Speaker 1: as we do in all of these instances, if there's
Speaker 1: a name that you want to throw in, feel free
Speaker 1: to throw it in for discussion sake. But I'd like
Speaker 1: to stick with the names I have here because I
Speaker 1: thought about him and I think I have a good
Speaker 1: list here. All right, Okay, so let's start a question.
Speaker 1: Number one player who most exceeded expectations in twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: Byron Jones or Layton Vanderesh. Layton Vanderesh exceeded my expectations.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how you can't say Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm Layton played great. I think there was
Speaker 1: a lot of doubt about that pick. He deserves a
Speaker 1: lot of credit, But I mean, you know, we were
Speaker 1: we were labeling buyer and a bust or a disappointment
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it, and he got
Speaker 1: to a Pro Bowl. I've answered this and after a
Speaker 1: position change, Yeah, I'm gonna go. I think it's Laton though,
Speaker 1: I really do. I at first when you said Byron,
Speaker 1: I was like, how's it gonna be anybody else? But
Speaker 1: but the fact that that Layton is like an All
Speaker 1: Pro player, he was second team All Pro and as
Speaker 1: a rookie, he he was just unbelievable and he had
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. Now, he's played linebacker two
Speaker 1: years in his life and one year Boys State in
Speaker 1: one year, and the year of Boys State got him
Speaker 1: to a first round pick, the year the Coloys got
Speaker 1: him to All Pro. I just think that was at
Speaker 1: the limit. I don't have a problem with that. But
Speaker 1: I mean, again, you know, he's a first round pick.
Speaker 1: He's a rookie, like he's a fresh you know, he's
Speaker 1: a he's a block of clay that hasn't been molded.
Speaker 1: Like who knows what your expectations are? Like some people
Speaker 1: had low expectations, some people had high where as a Byron,
Speaker 1: he got benched at the end of the last season
Speaker 1: and then they changed his position and a lot of
Speaker 1: people thought it wasn't gonna work out. And he's a
Speaker 1: pro bowler now. So I'm fine with either one. Garcia, Yeah,
Speaker 1: either one or good options. And I would I would
Speaker 1: go with Byron though, because like and he was new,
Speaker 1: he's something new, exciting. You have all the high expectations
Speaker 1: and hopes for him, and he exceeded them, which was great.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, when you go back to
Speaker 1: looking at Byron and his status playing corner, then back
Speaker 1: to safety, then back to corner. So the fact that
Speaker 1: he was able to turning it around, yeah, okay, and
Speaker 1: that's that's true. But if I had to tell you
Speaker 1: one of those two guys is gonna kind of have
Speaker 1: a drop off next year, I think everyone would probably
Speaker 1: say Byron because you actually started to see a little
Speaker 1: bit of it. Yeah, he didn't play as well towards
Speaker 1: the earl year, So I don't like calling the fluke
Speaker 1: or one year deal. I don't like calling that at all.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I feel like Layton is kind
Speaker 1: of here to stay a little bit, and that is
Speaker 1: just surprising after one year that he is just so
Speaker 1: dominant like that. But two great choices though we don't
Speaker 1: know well, I mean, if you will name me a
Speaker 1: guy finally, the guy that played well, yeah, no, but
Speaker 1: I still want him on the field for my most
Speaker 1: important play of the season on third and eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like to have kind of you, the kind I
Speaker 1: mean and not to me. We don't know what the
Speaker 1: long term future holds for Byron, but I would fair
Speaker 1: to guess that we've got four more years of Layton
Speaker 1: playing at a pretty good level. So at least, yeah,
Speaker 1: at least all right, let's take our final break. We
Speaker 1: come back. We'll go to that next question, which is
Speaker 1: going to be which player's absence was a greater loss,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick or Jason Witten. When we come right back,
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Speaker 1: At the Start, Nick tell us about Tommy John you know,
Speaker 1: Tommy John is not like an offensive coordinator because Tommy John,
Speaker 1: there's no adjustment needed. You don't really need to make
Speaker 1: these on the fly. So this would be perfect for
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. Yeah, because you just go in to just
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Speaker 1: We don't adjust anything. We're gonna be good. We're meaning
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Speaker 1: I need more of these, I'm gonna adjust, but not
Speaker 1: my actual underwear. Yeah, and we can make an adjustment too.
Speaker 1: Maybe Dave can read these from now on. So why
Speaker 1: I don't know, I like, because I'm why don't we
Speaker 1: wait till the beginning of the of the the coundar
Speaker 1: or the NFL year, And yeah, we'll flip it and
Speaker 1: then you start back over from one on your show count. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and when we do that, we're at one fourteen where
Speaker 1: we get to eighteen. Uh. The year will be up
Speaker 1: at the end of March, so you mid March going
Speaker 1: two rounds in the playoffs, probably you know, spiked it
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Huh uh. Yeah, we did a
Speaker 1: few more shows, and we probably would do otherwise. Ask
Speaker 1: me some questions. All right, we go our next question,
Speaker 1: which player's absence was a greater loss? Travis Frederick or
Speaker 1: Jason Witten. It has to be Travis Frederick because as
Speaker 1: much as I love Jason Witten, by the end of
Speaker 1: his career he was not the best player in the
Speaker 1: NFL at his position. Travis Frederick was. And I love
Speaker 1: Joe Looney, He's one of the feel good stories of
Speaker 1: the season for how well he played. But we're talking
Speaker 1: about a team that like you, We're gonna line up
Speaker 1: and run right at you and do what we do well.
Speaker 1: You need a guy like Travis Frederick to do that.
Speaker 1: He gets to the second level unlike anybody I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: He cuts defenses in half. He takes linebackers out of
Speaker 1: plays effortlessly, and for the Cowboys to run things the
Speaker 1: way they want to, you need him. I mean that's Hey.
Speaker 1: This offense doing a lot of the same stuff with
Speaker 1: the same offensive coordinator was top five in the league
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, and a lot of that is because
Speaker 1: their offensive line play was far and away better than
Speaker 1: it has been the last two years. So Arca, Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: it has to be Jason, okay, and I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with everything that Dave said, but at
Speaker 1: the same time, I mean they were able to do
Speaker 1: a good job still handle the situation with Joe Looney
Speaker 1: in there as a backup, and he gave me everything
Speaker 1: I would expect from a backup. He was able to
Speaker 1: hold it down and Jason wouldn't. Although he was declining
Speaker 1: towards the end of last year, he was still I
Speaker 1: think he would have still be able to provide you
Speaker 1: some some production on the field, especially with the connection
Speaker 1: that he had with Dak. Dad would be able to
Speaker 1: find him and it was always like a how do
Speaker 1: you say this? A comfortable throw, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think he would have definitely helped in the red zone.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys would have struggled as much.
Speaker 1: And aside from having him there, I mean, even with
Speaker 1: having him there, that would have also opened things up
Speaker 1: for them in the red zone to whether if it
Speaker 1: was not a shot directly to Jason, it could have
Speaker 1: been to Amari or somebody else, or maybe Zeke would
Speaker 1: have been better at running the ball in there, even
Speaker 1: though the Cowboys didn't really put much effort in that.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I would say
Speaker 1: Jason both great points red zone as he wouldn't would
Speaker 1: have helped there. Frederick would have helped there as well. Um,
Speaker 1: I I think it's Frederick, though it's close. I think
Speaker 1: Frederick because just how great he was and Looney he
Speaker 1: played well, but they did give up a lot of sacks,
Speaker 1: and so gun to your head. Who's more likely to
Speaker 1: be named in All Pro if they'd played twenty eighteen?
Speaker 1: I mean, why, why would have to be aggressive? All right?
Speaker 1: Forget your imagine your gun to my head, forget the gun.
Speaker 1: Just with as few words as possible, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: more likely. Yeah, Okay, Frederick was a better player at
Speaker 1: that point in his career. I get that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get that. That's not always the answer because it's like,
Speaker 1: how much was how much was the drop off? Joe
Speaker 1: Looney had been an All Pro, but he, you know,
Speaker 1: was the drop off greater? I mean with jar One
Speaker 1: and Schultz running around trying to make plays. Given the chance.
Speaker 1: I Travis Frederick, if fully healthy and not dealing with
Speaker 1: with gian Barre is probably he's no worse than the
Speaker 1: fourth best player on this entire team, or fifth. I
Speaker 1: mean Tyrn, Zach, DeMarcus, Zeke, and Travis like that, those
Speaker 1: are probably the five. So give me one of the
Speaker 1: five best players on my roster. I'll okay, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go with Travis there, all right, Next question,
Speaker 1: more underutilized weapon Cole Beasley or Tavon Austin. Oh, well,
Speaker 1: it's got what. I haven't check Tavon's Twitter, but it's
Speaker 1: it's cold. I know how cold would vote him. It's
Speaker 1: Tavon by default, but that's he was just out for
Speaker 1: so long. No, I get that. I guess I'm the
Speaker 1: point of what I'm saying because even even before he
Speaker 1: went out, they forgot how much did we talk about
Speaker 1: every week? Like how do they get this guy get
Speaker 1: more involved. They need to use in more in offense.
Speaker 1: What are they doing. I'm gonna remember that. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember. And it's not necessarily Tavon's fault. I
Speaker 1: don't have any beef with him. I would resign him
Speaker 1: for the right price. I would too. I'm gonna remember
Speaker 1: this when people get up in arms about offseason talking points,
Speaker 1: because we were talking about how Tavon could theoretically touch
Speaker 1: the ball anywhere from eight to twelve times a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he might have touched at twelve times all year. It
Speaker 1: felt like, so just keep all that stuff in mind
Speaker 1: when we're going over Ota storylines. You know, the reality
Speaker 1: is often not the offseason hype. We were talking about
Speaker 1: this before the show, like kole Yah. Yeah, he disappeared
Speaker 1: at times. In half of their games, he got targeted
Speaker 1: left less than five times, which seems far too few,
Speaker 1: especially to say that his average for the year was
Speaker 1: five targets per game, which means if he was under five,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of games where he was probably
Speaker 1: in the eight to ten range, or at least half
Speaker 1: the games where he's in that range. At the same time,
Speaker 1: in a run happy offense with an all Pro running back?
Speaker 1: How many? And as the third receiver? How many more?
Speaker 1: He finished? Sixty five catches? Like? How many more does
Speaker 1: he reasonably expect to get? Right? So I do agree
Speaker 1: that he disappeared at times, but that's about the resume
Speaker 1: that I would expect him to have in this all
Speaker 1: in that role. Yeah, I don't mean to like change
Speaker 1: your your different answer there. Oh yeah, it's a jazz answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but um, I think the most underutilized aspect was Dak's running.
Speaker 1: I would go with that. Did I say underutilized aspect?
Speaker 1: Would you say Nick plays by his own? What did
Speaker 1: you play? Play? Well? Then? That that press here? Now
Speaker 1: he said if we could find a better one, we
Speaker 1: could go ahead. Okay Tavon, yeah he could have been.
Speaker 1: He was hurt for what five games? Yeah? So oh
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I like your point. That's a
Speaker 1: good one. Um, but both of them are good. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't it got to the point where nobody
Speaker 1: trusted that they were going to use Tavon that way.
Speaker 1: And who did they play at the end? Oh Seattle,
Speaker 1: you know, seeing locket and you're like, man, that's what
Speaker 1: you want Tavon to be. But they just don't use it,
Speaker 1: and you're right. I mean, when Cole caught seventy five passes,
Speaker 1: it was like, look what he can do. He needs
Speaker 1: more money and all that. Now I caught sixty five passes.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, that's I mean, you got Coop, you
Speaker 1: got Zeke, and then you probably won't Gallup came on.
Speaker 1: But then they say Beasley is the third option. Sixty
Speaker 1: five catches. I think in twenty sixteen when he was
Speaker 1: so good, I think he only had seventy five, so
Speaker 1: he had ten more catches. I think ten and eleven
Speaker 1: are open next year. I think I think those jerseys
Speaker 1: are both. Okay, well, that's actually the next question. That's
Speaker 1: actually that's actually the next question. I will say this,
Speaker 1: I think hindsight, I don't need your had Ward. I
Speaker 1: would rather have Switzer. I've come full circle. I'm saying
Speaker 1: I would I would rather have Bryan Switzer on the
Speaker 1: on the team he got. Beasley got targeted eleven more
Speaker 1: times in sixteen, so over the court. So what that's
Speaker 1: like one extra target a game? Yeah, a little less? Yes?
Speaker 1: All right, So both those guys being considered, do you
Speaker 1: want if they're both gonna be a free agent, they're
Speaker 1: both gonna be free agents. Do you want to keep
Speaker 1: one both or neither. But let me also clarify the switcher.
Speaker 1: He's not better player than Cole Beasley. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that at all. What I'm saying is Cole's a free agent.
Speaker 1: He obviously has made it clear he wants to get
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and I think it might be
Speaker 1: a time to kind of move on. They had Switzer
Speaker 1: here and they wanted to get better with Tavon. They
Speaker 1: didn't really do that. And now you know, I thought
Speaker 1: Switzer was kind of a decent role player for for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: So to answer the question, I'm not bringing Tavon back
Speaker 1: Beasley really, no, why, I just I don't not even
Speaker 1: as a return guy. No, I don't remember what I mean.
Speaker 1: I just said it a few a few minutes. The
Speaker 1: dancing just really bothered That bothered him all. I thought
Speaker 1: y'all would catch. But I said he was hurt for
Speaker 1: five games this year. I know he missed ten, but
Speaker 1: I said he's hurt for five and he I just know.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's I don't think no. And yes,
Speaker 1: you know what, where they're smoked, there's fire literally, so
Speaker 1: I don't sing bothered now it did, It's fine, it
Speaker 1: absolutely bothered. I think they're you know, the alarms went
Speaker 1: off at the end of the season on that situation.
Speaker 1: I think I hear you. I hear you loud and clear. Ah.
Speaker 1: I feel it feels harsh to say I don't want
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley back. I think he's the hell of a player.
Speaker 1: I think he's underrated. I think he could be outstanding
Speaker 1: in another offense. Like there's I have no doubt about that,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a better chance he comes back
Speaker 1: with Lenehan being gone. Like, there's no beef between him
Speaker 1: and Dak that I'm aware of. They love each other.
Speaker 1: The thing Like, so you're applying that there is beef
Speaker 1: between him and Lenehan. I think he made that pretty obvious,
Speaker 1: didn't he. I mean, I'm just I'm from like October onward.
Speaker 1: That's so. I did a radio hit yesterday with somebody
Speaker 1: in DC and they're like, oh, Beasley was on Twitter
Speaker 1: last week. I was like, Beasley's been on Twitter since September.
Speaker 1: Man like his whole career. He went back from London.
Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, he was. He's at some moments, some
Speaker 1: memorable moments until his wife too. Yeah, they go in.
Speaker 1: He's been a waiter for a while. If you can get,
Speaker 1: if you can get the god I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: So I just caught that after you said it. It
Speaker 1: took me a second, But go ahead, if you could
Speaker 1: get if you could get him back on a team
Speaker 1: friendly deal, I'd be fine with it. And I feel
Speaker 1: harsh saying this because I do think he's a good player,
Speaker 1: but like I'm I'm down to upgrade that position. And
Speaker 1: basically what I mean by that is like there's no
Speaker 1: rule in the NFL that says your slot receiver is
Speaker 1: only effective within ten yards of the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Like that's not that's not a thing. Like I know
Speaker 1: Cowboys have had that guy for so long it feels
Speaker 1: like a thing. Juju Smith Shuster is a slot receiver.
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry is a slot receiver. Like these guys exist
Speaker 1: who can be dynamic within ten yards of the line
Speaker 1: or downfield, and I'm all about getting one of those.
Speaker 1: But that's also precisely why, in my opinion, I don't
Speaker 1: think you go out and get a slot receiver. I
Speaker 1: think what you give is you can play in a
Speaker 1: slot and outside. Cooper here you go and move them
Speaker 1: around and make defenses have to adjust to the fact
Speaker 1: that you don't know what they're gonna lie, which is
Speaker 1: why I sorry. If they they'll draft a tight end,
Speaker 1: they will do it, But I don't care about getting
Speaker 1: him in the second round. Just get one, because I'll
Speaker 1: take Jarwin and Schultz and they can do their thing.
Speaker 1: And again, a badass slot receiver or a badass receiver
Speaker 1: who can play in the slot will be far more
Speaker 1: of a friend to Dak than a tight end in
Speaker 1: my opinion. Ye in my opinion, yep, Amber one boat,
Speaker 1: one vote or neither. Who's in free agency. They're just
Speaker 1: so close to each other. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing else to say than everything they've said already.
Speaker 1: But one of the like cold Bleasley, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be here anymore. He's over it. He's ready to
Speaker 1: move on. Tavon. I would love to have him back,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately did not see anything this season to where
Speaker 1: it would give me hope that the Cowboys would be
Speaker 1: able to Utili. Yeah, but let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: because I think you guys are kind of glossing over
Speaker 1: the idea that he was a much better option as
Speaker 1: a return guy than anything else you had on this team.
Speaker 1: And even if you brought him back for the purposes
Speaker 1: of being your main return guy, that still has value
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Now, maybe he's not willing to take
Speaker 1: that contract that comes with that, but I think that
Speaker 1: has value, and I would, at the very least, if
Speaker 1: I'm the Cowboys try to resign him for that purpose alone,
Speaker 1: I will. I don't think it's fair to say Beasley
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be here. I think about that. I
Speaker 1: think Beasley wants to be appreciated, Like Beasley wants to be,
Speaker 1: maybe not a focal point, but a guy who is
Speaker 1: not an afterthought. And he could maybe be that here
Speaker 1: if the money's right or maybe not. Yeah, but at
Speaker 1: this time, if it doesn't feel I appreciate it, doesn't
Speaker 1: he's got it. He's got a better chance of getting
Speaker 1: what he wants somewhere else. I will, And I actually,
Speaker 1: I personally believe there will be other teams out in
Speaker 1: the free agent market that are willing to pay him
Speaker 1: closer to what he wants than the Cowboys. Where's a
Speaker 1: list out there somewhere that says he's one of the
Speaker 1: top five available free agents in the Cole Beasley in
Speaker 1: my opinion, and I think the Cowboys let him go
Speaker 1: do that. I agree with that, which is why I
Speaker 1: and I'm all about bringing Tavon back mainly because of price.
Speaker 1: Like he could he's the closest thing you have to
Speaker 1: a dynamic returner. He can do some of that slot stuff.
Speaker 1: Not going to command huge money on the free agent one.
Speaker 1: That's I think you can get him back relatively cheaply.
Speaker 1: His injury history, his lack of really being able to
Speaker 1: find a true position, bring him back very cheaply to
Speaker 1: be my fifth or sixth receiver slash return guy. I'm
Speaker 1: fine with that. Ye all right, um, next question, who's
Speaker 1: more in need of backup support? Rod Smith? And I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the position and the player, right running back
Speaker 1: with Rod Smith, linebacker with Damian Wilson, or safety with
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier. Were they more in need of backup support?
Speaker 1: They need to upgrade the backup person? Oh boy, well
Speaker 1: you know safety? Well? Actually starting go ahead, Nick, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I still this is about time you want
Speaker 1: to talk about the starter. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the backup they don't need. They don't need backup help
Speaker 1: at safety. They need starter because they're going to get
Speaker 1: a good backup. Okay, so let's weed that one, that
Speaker 1: one out or Heath Yeah, let's okay, good point. Let's
Speaker 1: leave leave that one out because I know where you're
Speaker 1: going with that. We'll talk about that later. They need
Speaker 1: to running back, running back or linebacker. With Damian Wilson
Speaker 1: and Rod Smith running back running back. One look at
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I mean, look, who's who's gonna be
Speaker 1: the best running back in the game. Girly, girly you think, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm out at his back up? I'm putting my house
Speaker 1: on it. Yes, okay, but no, I'm not who's the
Speaker 1: best running No, who's gonna be the best one in
Speaker 1: that game? It will be Girly. Girly has two weeks
Speaker 1: to be He'll be fine, he'll be ready. I get it.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying C. J. Anderson has a role.
Speaker 1: The Patriots have seventeen backs that they were they run
Speaker 1: got it. But I'm saying you got it, Okay. They
Speaker 1: don't get there without it, don't get there. They don't
Speaker 1: get there. To say is that it's okay to have
Speaker 1: the best running back in the game, and and I
Speaker 1: also have a good backup. And the saying, what are
Speaker 1: you saying, I'm saying, he's not a running back? Oh,
Speaker 1: he's really not, Like what is he? He's a good player,
Speaker 1: but he's he's he's tall, He's not really a dynamic
Speaker 1: type of running back. I know I want to get
Speaker 1: I want to draft one in the fifth round. And
Speaker 1: he wanted him to be earlier than that third. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do that. I got other needs for that, Sure
Speaker 1: you do. But honestly, I believe it by the end
Speaker 1: of this season, I believe they had beaten up, They'd
Speaker 1: beaten Zeke to death. I think I think Zeke was.
Speaker 1: He was kind of at the point where it just
Speaker 1: he didn't have the same juice I think by the
Speaker 1: end tough and but and it's because of the mouth
Speaker 1: that they used him. And I think that if you're
Speaker 1: smart in today's NFL, you need to have two quality
Speaker 1: backs that can that you can take one out and
Speaker 1: put the other one in and you don't lose a
Speaker 1: whole lot by doing it. And fact the matter is,
Speaker 1: you look at some of the really good teams and
Speaker 1: you brought up in the break the Saints. Saints got
Speaker 1: really good again when they got Kamara. They already had
Speaker 1: a running back that was a really good running back,
Speaker 1: Roll Bowl Running, Yes, exactly. But they went out and
Speaker 1: got Kamara, and Kamara added a whole different dimension to
Speaker 1: their offense. To me, that's how I look at this.
Speaker 1: You can have a great running back, you give me
Speaker 1: another another running back that has that kind of dynamic ability,
Speaker 1: and you will make your offense infinitely better. I bet,
Speaker 1: I'll bet, I'll bet a paycheck that they upgrade their
Speaker 1: backup running back position the offseason. And that's a key
Speaker 1: position for him, Like we know, when they don't have
Speaker 1: a good running back in there, they just completely crash yep.
Speaker 1: Which and I wrote about that actually yesterday shameless plug.
Speaker 1: They do have other needs, but I really think this
Speaker 1: roster is uniquely positioned, like they have enough talent in
Speaker 1: enough places that they can afford to do that. If
Speaker 1: the best guy on their board in the third round
Speaker 1: or even the second round is a running back, I
Speaker 1: think they would do it, because this is as few
Speaker 1: holes they have on the starting lineup as they've had
Speaker 1: in a long long time. Yep. And I think I
Speaker 1: think if he had another backup spot that needs to
Speaker 1: be addressed, and maybe he'll be a starter, But I
Speaker 1: think defensive tackle is something they need to be looking
Speaker 1: at as well, just because you know, they didn't have
Speaker 1: Irving's not going to be a part of this, and
Speaker 1: they had the Daniel Rosses and guys like that. But
Speaker 1: you know, not too early to start, you don't. You
Speaker 1: don't know what the future is going to be the
Speaker 1: next few years, about Tyrone Crawford and Malite Collins and
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods and all that. Just keep them coming, keep
Speaker 1: getting these young guys in there a defensive tackle. How
Speaker 1: many more questions do you have? I just I had
Speaker 1: guessing we only got to like three out of ten. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we got to five of the six, and there was
Speaker 1: one that was gonna be like multiple questions, So we'll
Speaker 1: save that one. Okay, we gotta We're already over time.
Speaker 1: But I do want to ask this last question. Hopefully
Speaker 1: done too long, but a better chance of being here
Speaker 1: three years from now, Taco Charlton or Jordan Lewis. Oh
Speaker 1: did I just introduced a whole new show? Maybe? Well?
Speaker 1: I think I think Taco has the better chance just
Speaker 1: because of his contract, Like he's got the first and
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick. You're probably not gonna cut
Speaker 1: a first round pick, you could trade him. Not that
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna cut Jordan, but I said three years,
Speaker 1: so that would be at the time when they would
Speaker 1: give him a fifth year option, and all that kicks in, right,
Speaker 1: So it's it's that would have said Byron Jones is out,
Speaker 1: but right options, so you never know. You never know,
Speaker 1: and that's that's why it's it is not fair or
Speaker 1: right to call Taco a bust based on what we
Speaker 1: just saw with Byron. It is fair to say he
Speaker 1: is not a hit. You know what I like you see, Well, no,
Speaker 1: he's not a hit because if you hit Layton vander
Speaker 1: Esch just made a Pro Bowl as a rookie. Zach
Speaker 1: Martin has never not been all Pro. So you're saying
Speaker 1: Byron's not a hit. Byron's not a Hittitron just salvaged
Speaker 1: his draft stock, he became a good player. He's not
Speaker 1: a hit. You only got one Pro Bowl season out
Speaker 1: of him in four years. Like that's he's not a hit.
Speaker 1: Zach Martin is a hit, a Grand Slam. So Taco
Speaker 1: is not a hit. That doesn't mean he's not a bust.
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't mean he's a bust, but he's
Speaker 1: got Work's got to be an in between between a
Speaker 1: bust and a hit. I mean a little touch butt,
Speaker 1: a butt like a butt. He's a walk right now.
Speaker 1: He looks double a single. I don't know, triple whiff
Speaker 1: right now, the whiff, he's a strikeout. If you're a
Speaker 1: first round pick and you're a healthy scratch in your
Speaker 1: second year, there's I can't defend that. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: was a big defender of Taco, But that means that
Speaker 1: means they didn't want you on the field. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: not that they didn't just give you a few like
Speaker 1: they didn't want if they made you a healthy strategy,
Speaker 1: didn't want you on the field. Although I will say,
Speaker 1: and I think the world of Jordan Lewis as a
Speaker 1: guy and as a player, but the guy that's calling
Speaker 1: the defense does not favor his style of play, for
Speaker 1: lack of a better way to phrase it. So it's
Speaker 1: an interesting question. I don't I don't really know for sure.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. I would not be surprised if
Speaker 1: one or both of them doesn't finish their contract here. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: and I don't know anything, Like I don't mean to
Speaker 1: speculate it, but we'll see. They're both in a precarious
Speaker 1: situation right now. You would think just because of the
Speaker 1: lack of opportunities that they got this year, that does
Speaker 1: signal something, right. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys.
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