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Speaker 1: season fourteen, episode number one hundred and fourteen. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of The Break. We are live nest WBC

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Speaker 1: All right. So we got a lot to talk about today. Um,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk first. I'm about this coaching staff,

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Speaker 1: know right now is that Scott landa hands out. Jason

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Speaker 1: it's documented at least twice. At least twice. Everybody cheats,

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Speaker 1: but he's done, but not every doing grazing nine super bowls,

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Speaker 1: and you can cheat on accident. The quarterback, not the

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Speaker 1: in the league. No, because he's past all that. He's

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Speaker 1: like okay, I know. And they also got a very

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Speaker 1: Like it's dumb to even try to compare it step

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Speaker 1: Who has been consistent like that? Who? No, I was

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Speaker 1: the break, you had a question you wanted to throw

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Speaker 1: about obviously what the Patriots have done on a completely

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Speaker 1: you know. And don't think it doesn't matter. Don't think

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Speaker 1: it doesn't This team hasn't has drafted well because there

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Speaker 1: is continuity in what Will McClay wants to do. He

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Speaker 1: Other teams doing it, I mean other teams that consistent.

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Speaker 1: We mentioned well, Saints, well, we mentioned we mentioned teams

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Speaker 1: like the Steelers, like the Packers, like Seahawks, And to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, there's one thing that I think

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Speaker 1: they've got a really good quarterback. And number two, the

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Speaker 1: continuity is between the quarterback and the head coach. There

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Speaker 1: are a lot of other pieces that change. They'll change coordinators.

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Speaker 1: They'll change other skill players on the team, They'll change

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Speaker 1: other you know, other pieces on the team. But what

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Speaker 1: stays consistent on all three of those teams is their

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Speaker 1: quarterback and their head coach have stayed pretty much the same.

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Speaker 1: Now the Packers are changing their head coach, we'll see

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Speaker 1: if that if that kind of reasserts their their consistency,

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Speaker 1: because obviously this year was a little bit of an

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Speaker 1: anomaly for them. But that all being said, again, the

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Speaker 1: quarterback the head coach makes a difference. I mean, sorry,

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask a different question. Well, you

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Speaker 1: know what I was going to ask one two that

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking for the last few weeks. You said,

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Speaker 1: quarterback and head coach. Can you think of the greatest

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Speaker 1: head coaches in the history of the game? Belichick? Okay,

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Speaker 1: the best coaches, every name, best coaches, A Lombardi All Sorry,

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Speaker 1: not of course, Landry Landry Law Yeah, every coach, Uh Parcels,

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Speaker 1: forget that, I'm getting there. But the thing about it

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Speaker 1: is he's the only one. Bill Parcels is the only

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Speaker 1: coach that is considered a great coach that didn't really

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Speaker 1: have a Hall of Fame quarterback. Everybody that you would

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Speaker 1: ever call it to be a great coach has had

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Speaker 1: a great quarterback. Maybe it's the other way around, maybe

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Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks because it's a great coach either way.

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Speaker 1: The classic that is a really good parselves now blo.

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Speaker 1: Now he also moved around a lot to he made

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career out of kind of jumping.

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Speaker 1: I know that he didn't. I know he didn't play

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Speaker 1: in that Super Bowl. But Parcels had sims for a while.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a Hall of Fame He's pretty

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Speaker 1: good though. He's a good player. He's good. He was

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Speaker 1: a really really good player. But he wasn't. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame worthy and Bledsoe has all these other

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Speaker 1: guys were talking about, sure their quarterbacks were in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I get it. Yeah. So it's just

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Speaker 1: they kind of go hand in hand. That's what I

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Speaker 1: was trying. It's a good point for Parcels. What was

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Speaker 1: the drop? What was he saying? Mickey, Mickey? What would

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Speaker 1: you what would you okay, not including the Patriots, what

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Speaker 1: would you say? What would you say of in the

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Speaker 1: most consistently good teams in the NFL over the last

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Speaker 1: like ten or so years, Pittsburgh, I got, I got Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: New Orleans, Green Bay, and Denver pulled up right now,

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Speaker 1: I would say Seattle, oh, oh, Seattle is a good one.

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Speaker 1: Hang on because ten years yeah, last ten years say yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: I'm missing anybody would missing anybody here? Mean the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks are probably a good example because so all right,

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Speaker 1: starting when Carol and them took over, they had two

567
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Speaker 1: losing seasons and they haven't had one since. Everybody else

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Speaker 1: is a good resume, everybody else is Uh. Pittsburgh's gone

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Speaker 1: eight and eight two times in that span. They went

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Speaker 1: nine six and one. This year Green just went six

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Speaker 1: nine and one. They had an eight seven and one

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Speaker 1: when Rogers got hurt. Uh. Point being like, the best

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Speaker 1: teams in the league are going to have down years, well,

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Speaker 1: they pale in comparison to what the Patriots have done.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely freaking The Patriots have been to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: nine of the last eighteen years. Half I'm talking in

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Speaker 1: a late in a league of thirty two teams, half

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Speaker 1: of the last eighteen years they've been to the top,

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Speaker 1: to the game to win a championship. And if you

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Speaker 1: go back to the last fifteen or seventeen years, eighteen years? Um,

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Speaker 1: how many Hall of Famers are going to be from

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Speaker 1: the Patriots? One for sure out of Son? Well two okay,

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Speaker 1: Brady Gronk Bronk for sure. That's it? Unill well, I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: are we we're talking technically? Randy Moss is a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame? Is lawyer Malloya in the finalist this year?

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Speaker 1: Maybe he might be a guy that can get in, saying,

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Speaker 1: um n they all was there for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison count No, he's charger. Rodney Harrison's probably not

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame, or is he? Uh no, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: if Darren Woodson's not a Hall of Fame, No, I

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Speaker 1: don't think so. They don't have the offensive lineman. They

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Speaker 1: just William mc ginnis might get in maybe at some point.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, there's another defensive lineman that's finals too. Um no, no,

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Speaker 1: no defensive lineman. Umm, will might get into. Yeah. Still

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Speaker 1: not going to be a super long list. Yeah, no,

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00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: you're right, And it's a good point. It's a good point.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's just the and that's what they've done

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Speaker 1: in the free agency era is unbelievable. It just really is.

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Speaker 1: It's it's remarkable, and it's it puts all these other

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Speaker 1: coaches of like, why can't you be like that? I

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Speaker 1: mean they're just they're just on a different level. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe they guess something else going on. Okay, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: good for them. I mean it's working right whatever that word?

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Speaker 1: You know what I would win? I was driving down

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Speaker 1: the highway yesterday and you know those signs that that

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, you'd buckle up and all that. You know what?

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Speaker 1: They tweeted it out. Yeah, and then Darren Velt picked

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Speaker 1: it up and and tweeted it and what is it?

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Speaker 1: Finished the sentence? Then what does your tires flat? As

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Speaker 1: a Patriots football call? Whatever the number is? How that

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Speaker 1: just seems in Dallas? But seven years later, five years later, No,

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Speaker 1: it's just people. It's just people that are looking at

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl like the super Bowl is a big event.

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Speaker 1: I want to get my piece of it. So here's

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Speaker 1: my going to cause a wreck? Because you're like, what

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Speaker 1: what did I Why don't they do that? Like they

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Speaker 1: I the one that I don't drink and drive and

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Speaker 1: just move on. No, but no, I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: Like during the holidays, they were like the sign said

620
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Speaker 1: was like you don't want to see your in laws anyway,

621
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Speaker 1: slow down, drive safe or something. And I was like, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: smart not for me, but it's a good one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But they have jokey jokes like that. No, I think

624
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Speaker 1: it's it's running those I got one good, I got good.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they ever step over the line, you

626
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Speaker 1: know how you a social media person, like you step

627
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Speaker 1: over the line where it's like, oh, you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: five whoa, whoa. No, don't don't say that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can guarantee you like I'm gonna put this around right. No. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a bad idea. It just speaks I don't think

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Speaker 1: it speaks to the Super Bowl. I really think it

632
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Speaker 1: just speaks to how much people hate the Patriots, Like, oh, yeah,

633
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Speaker 1: everybody hates the Patriots. If you're not a Patriots fan,

634
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Speaker 1: you hate the Patriots. But guess what, I don't hate that.

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Speaker 1: That's the same thing that you that most people say

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Speaker 1: about the Cowboys and would say about most big franchises

637
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: that have had a sustained period of success. It's because

638
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: over that period people start to say, I just don't

639
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: want I want to see anybody win but them, And

640
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: so if you're not a fan, then you become an

641
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: anti fan, you know. So it is what it is,

642
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: all right? Let me let me ask this real going

643
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: back to what you started talking about, Nick, the whole

644
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: correlation between the head coach and the quarterback. Now that

645
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: you got Dak Prescott and in three of his first

646
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: years here, they've made it to the playoffs. Three in

647
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: the first years, two of those they made it to

648
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Does this start a new clock for Garrett?

649
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: Or you're still running the same clock? Wait? Say again,

650
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: they explain that to me, Explain to me what you're asking. Well,

651
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: now that he got a young quarterback, new one, he's

652
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: proven in three years out of those three he's they've

653
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: been able to get to the playoffs twice. And whether

654
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: you'd like Dak or not, or you hate him and

655
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: you think he sucked, they still made it to the

656
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: playoffs twice. Does having this and seeing what they've been

657
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: able to do in three years start a new different

658
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: clock on Jason Garrett? Or you're still running they asked me? Yeah,

659
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: ask me, has gotten a new contract yet? Yeah, that's

660
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: a good point. If if he starts a new contract,

661
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: then yes, But which well that it's fascinating because you know,

662
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: before the season even ended, the rappaports of the world

663
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: were reporting that those conversations were going to ramp up

664
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Speaker 1: and maybe they will, like Jeff Sullivan had Yeah, you're right,

665
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: he did. Uh Jeff Sullivan had it in October yea, um,

666
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: maybe he does. And there's no and he's nobody still

667
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: believes that too. He's like, hey, this is happening. There's

668
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: no parameters for coaches. You know, we know when DeMarcus

669
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: Lawrence needs to have a new contract by like, there's

670
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: no time limit on Jason Garrett, but other than by

671
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: the end of next year, right, No, I'm just like,

672
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: they could sign it today, they could do it in

673
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: three months, so I don't know. But if he goes

674
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: in the next season without a deal, then hell no,

675
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: that's where he's win or you might not be. Right now,

676
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: we're having the same conversation we were having last year.

677
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: Now a week from now, he might be on a

678
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: five year deal and that's a pretty telling indicator that

679
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: he's got more time. And by the way, let's also

680
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: remember they did an improbable thing this year. They got

681
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: to the playoffs after starting three and five. If they

682
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: didn't turn that around. It's my personal belief that we

683
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: would have already seen them make a move at the

684
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: head coach. I don't I don't think Garret would have

685
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: stuck around if they would have continued on the track

686
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: they were on at three and five. Let's say they

687
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: end at six and ten, I don't think he comes back.

688
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: So that to me says that it didn't set a

689
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: new clock. It's about what are you doing right now?

690
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: And I think he probably bought himself a year or

691
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: two with what they did this year getting back three

692
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: and five. Well, but let them let them blow it

693
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: next year. And I think all bets are we should

694
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: have We should have talked about this when we were

695
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: more knee deep in the Kellen Moore stuff, because hey,

696
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: maybe he is getting maybe he is getting a new deal.

697
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: But it's interesting that that's they're higher because I mean,

698
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: if Jason Garrett's getting a new contract, then you can

699
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: go get whoever you want. If Jason Garrett's going to

700
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: play out the rest of this deal and he doesn't

701
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: have a long term future, it hinders your ability to

702
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: go get some oc to come in here and not

703
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: know what it's Yeah, and I don't know this for sure.

704
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised at all if Jason Garrett

705
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: gets an extension this offseason. But to me, it kind

706
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: of says, all right, let's let's try this young hotshot out,

707
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: see what y'all can do, and hope for your sake

708
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: that it's good. Like that doesn't Isn't that hope? Hope

709
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: it works out? Guys? Isn't that kind of how that

710
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: sounds to you? Like? Am I crazy for thinking that?

711
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: That's logical to me? And so we'll see im And

712
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe Garrett will get an extension, but

713
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like we would have heard more

714
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: about it. Maybe not though well that I think there's

715
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: still is that possibility, mainly because I believe him talking,

716
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: him not talking to Nick. You were there last week.

717
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: I believe him not talking last week. I think there

718
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: are a lot of layers to that, and I think

719
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: one of those layers could be he doesn't know what

720
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: his own status is, and I don't mean from the

721
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: standpoint of necessarily getting fired, but he doesn't know like

722
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: he might be getting a contract extension. If he gets

723
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: to contract extension, maybe it changes how he looks at

724
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: being able to go and get a new OC. If

725
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't, then he's sticking with the options that he

726
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: has here. No, that's the point, like they don't have

727
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: there is no timetable other than by the end of

728
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: next season, by the end of nineteen is is contract

729
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: is up right, So at that point then there's a

730
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: timetable because he's basically free agent and you don't have

731
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: you don't have franchise tax for head coaches, so he's

732
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: a free aging do whatever where he wants to. But

733
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: before he didn't get his last extension until after the

734
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: conclusion of his last year, which was fourteen. Like we right,

735
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: But the point, but the point is, at that point

736
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: he could walk. He doesn't have to take your off right,

737
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: so he can go out and just bid this services out.

738
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: And if and if what Jerry said earlier this offseason,

739
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: which is if he'd have been out on the market

740
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: this year, he'd have gotten five offers. And how you're

741
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: bidding against other teams, maybe it's a lot harder to

742
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: get him back for the money that you want to

743
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: get him back for because some team is just like, hey,

744
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: we'll throw more money at him because we feel like

745
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: we really can get some value of what he brings,

746
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, all right, here we go. Let's talk

747
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of season and review. We're gonna go

748
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: back and look at twenty nineteen, and I have a

749
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: list of questions here. There are six questions, And feel free,

750
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: as we do in all of these instances, if there's

751
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: a name that you want to throw in, feel free

752
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: to throw it in for discussion sake. But I'd like

753
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: to stick with the names I have here because I

754
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: thought about him and I think I have a good

755
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: list here. All right, Okay, so let's start a question.

756
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: Number one player who most exceeded expectations in twenty eighteen

757
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: Byron Jones or Layton Vanderesh. Layton Vanderesh exceeded my expectations.

758
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: But I don't know how you can't say Byron Jones.

759
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm Layton played great. I think there was

760
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: a lot of doubt about that pick. He deserves a

761
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: lot of credit, But I mean, you know, we were

762
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: we were labeling buyer and a bust or a disappointment

763
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it, and he got

764
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: to a Pro Bowl. I've answered this and after a

765
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: position change, Yeah, I'm gonna go. I think it's Laton though,

766
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: I really do. I at first when you said Byron,

767
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: I was like, how's it gonna be anybody else? But

768
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: but the fact that that Layton is like an All

769
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: Pro player, he was second team All Pro and as

770
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: a rookie, he he was just unbelievable and he had

771
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. Now, he's played linebacker two

772
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: years in his life and one year Boys State in

773
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: one year, and the year of Boys State got him

774
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: to a first round pick, the year the Coloys got

775
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: him to All Pro. I just think that was at

776
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: the limit. I don't have a problem with that. But

777
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, again, you know, he's a first round pick.

778
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: He's a rookie, like he's a fresh you know, he's

779
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: a he's a block of clay that hasn't been molded.

780
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: Like who knows what your expectations are? Like some people

781
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: had low expectations, some people had high where as a Byron,

782
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: he got benched at the end of the last season

783
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: and then they changed his position and a lot of

784
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: people thought it wasn't gonna work out. And he's a

785
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: pro bowler now. So I'm fine with either one. Garcia, Yeah,

786
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: either one or good options. And I would I would

787
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: go with Byron though, because like and he was new,

788
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: he's something new, exciting. You have all the high expectations

789
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 1: and hopes for him, and he exceeded them, which was great.

790
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: But at the same time, when you go back to

791
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: looking at Byron and his status playing corner, then back

792
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: to safety, then back to corner. So the fact that

793
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: he was able to turning it around, yeah, okay, and

794
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: that's that's true. But if I had to tell you

795
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: one of those two guys is gonna kind of have

796
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: a drop off next year, I think everyone would probably

797
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: say Byron because you actually started to see a little

798
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: bit of it. Yeah, he didn't play as well towards

799
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: the earl year, So I don't like calling the fluke

800
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: or one year deal. I don't like calling that at all.

801
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I feel like Layton is kind

802
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: of here to stay a little bit, and that is

803
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: just surprising after one year that he is just so

804
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: dominant like that. But two great choices though we don't

805
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: know well, I mean, if you will name me a

806
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: guy finally, the guy that played well, yeah, no, but

807
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: I still want him on the field for my most

808
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: important play of the season on third and eight. Yeah,

809
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I'd like to have kind of you, the kind I

810
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: mean and not to me. We don't know what the

811
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: long term future holds for Byron, but I would fair

812
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: to guess that we've got four more years of Layton

813
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: playing at a pretty good level. So at least, yeah,

814
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: at least all right, let's take our final break. We

815
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Speaker 1: come back. We'll go to that next question, which is

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00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: going to be which player's absence was a greater loss,

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00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,480
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Speaker 1: Back to the break, Welcome back to the final segment

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Speaker 1: of the show, Live from the s WBC Bortgage Studios.

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00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: At the Start, Nick tell us about Tommy John you know,

867
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Speaker 1: Tommy John is not like an offensive coordinator because Tommy John,

868
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: there's no adjustment needed. You don't really need to make

869
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: these on the fly. So this would be perfect for

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00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. Yeah, because you just go in to just

871
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: go and do what we do, do what you doing.

872
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: We don't adjust anything. We're gonna be good. We're meaning

873
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: so Tommy John Army dot com for Yeah, he went there.

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00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: I was just talking about in any offensive coach, offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator David Hellman might be one. Tommy John dot com

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Speaker 1: Forward Slice Cowboys. You get twenty percent off your first order,

877
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Speaker 1: and we've been doing this for a while, so I

878
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Speaker 1: wonder what it's like for the second and third order,

879
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: because I bet you we have some listeners that have

880
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Speaker 1: gone back to the well yep, making some adjustments there.

881
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: There you go mark adjustments to your underwear order, but

882
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: not your underwear themselves. Exactly know what I mean. You're like,

883
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: I need more of these, I'm gonna adjust, but not

884
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: my actual underwear. Yeah, and we can make an adjustment too.

885
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: Maybe Dave can read these from now on. So why

886
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, I like, because I'm why don't we

887
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: wait till the beginning of the of the the coundar

888
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: or the NFL year, And yeah, we'll flip it and

889
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: then you start back over from one on your show count. Yeah,

890
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: and when we do that, we're at one fourteen where

891
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: we get to eighteen. Uh. The year will be up

892
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: at the end of March, so you mid March going

893
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: two rounds in the playoffs, probably you know, spiked it

894
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Huh uh. Yeah, we did a

895
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: few more shows, and we probably would do otherwise. Ask

896
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: me some questions. All right, we go our next question,

897
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: which player's absence was a greater loss? Travis Frederick or

898
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Jason Witten. It has to be Travis Frederick because as

899
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: much as I love Jason Witten, by the end of

900
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: his career he was not the best player in the

901
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: NFL at his position. Travis Frederick was. And I love

902
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Joe Looney, He's one of the feel good stories of

903
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: the season for how well he played. But we're talking

904
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: about a team that like you, We're gonna line up

905
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: and run right at you and do what we do well.

906
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: You need a guy like Travis Frederick to do that.

907
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: He gets to the second level unlike anybody I've ever seen.

908
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: He cuts defenses in half. He takes linebackers out of

909
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: plays effortlessly, and for the Cowboys to run things the

910
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: way they want to, you need him. I mean that's Hey.

911
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: This offense doing a lot of the same stuff with

912
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: the same offensive coordinator was top five in the league

913
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, and a lot of that is because

914
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: their offensive line play was far and away better than

915
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: it has been the last two years. So Arca, Travis Frederick,

916
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: it has to be Jason, okay, and I don't disagree.

917
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with everything that Dave said, but at

918
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: the same time, I mean they were able to do

919
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: a good job still handle the situation with Joe Looney

920
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: in there as a backup, and he gave me everything

921
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: I would expect from a backup. He was able to

922
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: hold it down and Jason wouldn't. Although he was declining

923
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: towards the end of last year, he was still I

924
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: think he would have still be able to provide you

925
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: some some production on the field, especially with the connection

926
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: that he had with Dak. Dad would be able to

927
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: find him and it was always like a how do

928
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: you say this? A comfortable throw, you know, And I

929
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: think he would have definitely helped in the red zone.

930
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys would have struggled as much.

931
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: And aside from having him there, I mean, even with

932
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: having him there, that would have also opened things up

933
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: for them in the red zone to whether if it

934
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: was not a shot directly to Jason, it could have

935
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: been to Amari or somebody else, or maybe Zeke would

936
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: have been better at running the ball in there, even

937
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: though the Cowboys didn't really put much effort in that.

938
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I would say

939
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: Jason both great points red zone as he wouldn't would

940
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: have helped there. Frederick would have helped there as well. Um,

941
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: I I think it's Frederick, though it's close. I think

942
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: Frederick because just how great he was and Looney he

943
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: played well, but they did give up a lot of sacks,

944
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: and so gun to your head. Who's more likely to

945
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: be named in All Pro if they'd played twenty eighteen?

946
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: I mean, why, why would have to be aggressive? All right?

947
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: Forget your imagine your gun to my head, forget the gun.

948
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: Just with as few words as possible, Yeah, it was

949
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: more likely. Yeah, Okay, Frederick was a better player at

950
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: that point in his career. I get that. Yeah, I

951
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: get that. That's not always the answer because it's like,

952
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: how much was how much was the drop off? Joe

953
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: Looney had been an All Pro, but he, you know,

954
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: was the drop off greater? I mean with jar One

955
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: and Schultz running around trying to make plays. Given the chance.

956
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: I Travis Frederick, if fully healthy and not dealing with

957
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: with gian Barre is probably he's no worse than the

958
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: fourth best player on this entire team, or fifth. I

959
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: mean Tyrn, Zach, DeMarcus, Zeke, and Travis like that, those

960
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: are probably the five. So give me one of the

961
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: five best players on my roster. I'll okay, Yeah, I'm

962
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go with Travis there, all right, Next question,

963
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: more underutilized weapon Cole Beasley or Tavon Austin. Oh, well,

964
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: it's got what. I haven't check Tavon's Twitter, but it's

965
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: it's cold. I know how cold would vote him. It's

966
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: Tavon by default, but that's he was just out for

967
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: so long. No, I get that. I guess I'm the

968
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: point of what I'm saying because even even before he

969
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: went out, they forgot how much did we talk about

970
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: every week? Like how do they get this guy get

971
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: more involved. They need to use in more in offense.

972
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: What are they doing. I'm gonna remember that. I'm just

973
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember. And it's not necessarily Tavon's fault. I

974
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: don't have any beef with him. I would resign him

975
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: for the right price. I would too. I'm gonna remember

976
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: this when people get up in arms about offseason talking points,

977
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: because we were talking about how Tavon could theoretically touch

978
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: the ball anywhere from eight to twelve times a game. Yeah,

979
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: he might have touched at twelve times all year. It

980
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 1: felt like, so just keep all that stuff in mind

981
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: when we're going over Ota storylines. You know, the reality

982
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: is often not the offseason hype. We were talking about

983
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: this before the show, like kole Yah. Yeah, he disappeared

984
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: at times. In half of their games, he got targeted

985
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: left less than five times, which seems far too few,

986
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: especially to say that his average for the year was

987
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: five targets per game, which means if he was under five,

988
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: there was a lot of games where he was probably

989
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: in the eight to ten range, or at least half

990
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: the games where he's in that range. At the same time,

991
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: in a run happy offense with an all Pro running back?

992
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: How many? And as the third receiver? How many more?

993
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: He finished? Sixty five catches? Like? How many more does

994
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: he reasonably expect to get? Right? So I do agree

995
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: that he disappeared at times, but that's about the resume

996
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: that I would expect him to have in this all

997
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: in that role. Yeah, I don't mean to like change

998
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: your your different answer there. Oh yeah, it's a jazz answer. Yeah,

999
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: but um, I think the most underutilized aspect was Dak's running.

1000
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: I would go with that. Did I say underutilized aspect?

1001
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: Would you say Nick plays by his own? What did

1002
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: you play? Play? Well? Then? That that press here? Now

1003
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: he said if we could find a better one, we

1004
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: could go ahead. Okay Tavon, yeah he could have been.

1005
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: He was hurt for what five games? Yeah? So oh

1006
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I like your point. That's a

1007
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: good one. Um, but both of them are good. I mean,

1008
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: I just don't it got to the point where nobody

1009
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: trusted that they were going to use Tavon that way.

1010
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: And who did they play at the end? Oh Seattle,

1011
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, seeing locket and you're like, man, that's what

1012
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: you want Tavon to be. But they just don't use it,

1013
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: and you're right. I mean, when Cole caught seventy five passes,

1014
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: it was like, look what he can do. He needs

1015
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: more money and all that. Now I caught sixty five passes.

1016
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, that's I mean, you got Coop, you

1017
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: got Zeke, and then you probably won't Gallup came on.

1018
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: But then they say Beasley is the third option. Sixty

1019
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: five catches. I think in twenty sixteen when he was

1020
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: so good, I think he only had seventy five, so

1021
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: he had ten more catches. I think ten and eleven

1022
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: are open next year. I think I think those jerseys

1023
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: are both. Okay, well, that's actually the next question. That's

1024
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: actually that's actually the next question. I will say this,

1025
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: I think hindsight, I don't need your had Ward. I

1026
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: would rather have Switzer. I've come full circle. I'm saying

1027
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: I would I would rather have Bryan Switzer on the

1028
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: on the team he got. Beasley got targeted eleven more

1029
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: times in sixteen, so over the court. So what that's

1030
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: like one extra target a game? Yeah, a little less? Yes?

1031
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: All right, So both those guys being considered, do you

1032
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: want if they're both gonna be a free agent, they're

1033
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: both gonna be free agents. Do you want to keep

1034
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: one both or neither. But let me also clarify the switcher.

1035
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: He's not better player than Cole Beasley. I'm not saying

1036
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 1: that at all. What I'm saying is Cole's a free agent.

1037
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: He obviously has made it clear he wants to get

1038
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and I think it might be

1039
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: a time to kind of move on. They had Switzer

1040
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: here and they wanted to get better with Tavon. They

1041
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: didn't really do that. And now you know, I thought

1042
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: Switzer was kind of a decent role player for for Pittsburgh.

1043
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: So to answer the question, I'm not bringing Tavon back

1044
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: Beasley really, no, why, I just I don't not even

1045
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: as a return guy. No, I don't remember what I mean.

1046
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: I just said it a few a few minutes. The

1047
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: dancing just really bothered That bothered him all. I thought

1048
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: y'all would catch. But I said he was hurt for

1049
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: five games this year. I know he missed ten, but

1050
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: I said he's hurt for five and he I just know.

1051
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: I don't think he's I don't think no. And yes,

1052
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: you know what, where they're smoked, there's fire literally, so

1053
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: I don't sing bothered now it did, It's fine, it

1054
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: absolutely bothered. I think they're you know, the alarms went

1055
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: off at the end of the season on that situation.

1056
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: I think I hear you. I hear you loud and clear. Ah.

1057
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,959
Speaker 1: I feel it feels harsh to say I don't want

1058
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley back. I think he's the hell of a player.

1059
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: I think he's underrated. I think he could be outstanding

1060
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: in another offense. Like there's I have no doubt about that,

1061
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: and I think there's a better chance he comes back

1062
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: with Lenehan being gone. Like, there's no beef between him

1063
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: and Dak that I'm aware of. They love each other.

1064
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: The thing Like, so you're applying that there is beef

1065
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: between him and Lenehan. I think he made that pretty obvious,

1066
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: didn't he. I mean, I'm just I'm from like October onward.

1067
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: That's so. I did a radio hit yesterday with somebody

1068
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: in DC and they're like, oh, Beasley was on Twitter

1069
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: last week. I was like, Beasley's been on Twitter since September.

1070
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: Man like his whole career. He went back from London.

1071
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, he was. He's at some moments, some

1072
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: memorable moments until his wife too. Yeah, they go in.

1073
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: He's been a waiter for a while. If you can get,

1074
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: if you can get the god I can't. I can't.

1075
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: So I just caught that after you said it. It

1076
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: took me a second, But go ahead, if you could

1077
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: get if you could get him back on a team

1078
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: friendly deal, I'd be fine with it. And I feel

1079
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: harsh saying this because I do think he's a good player,

1080
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: but like I'm I'm down to upgrade that position. And

1081
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: basically what I mean by that is like there's no

1082
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: rule in the NFL that says your slot receiver is

1083
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: only effective within ten yards of the line of scrimmage.

1084
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: Like that's not that's not a thing. Like I know

1085
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys have had that guy for so long it feels

1086
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: like a thing. Juju Smith Shuster is a slot receiver.

1087
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry is a slot receiver. Like these guys exist

1088
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: who can be dynamic within ten yards of the line

1089
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: or downfield, and I'm all about getting one of those.

1090
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: But that's also precisely why, in my opinion, I don't

1091
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: think you go out and get a slot receiver. I

1092
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: think what you give is you can play in a

1093
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: slot and outside. Cooper here you go and move them

1094
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: around and make defenses have to adjust to the fact

1095
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: that you don't know what they're gonna lie, which is

1096
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: why I sorry. If they they'll draft a tight end,

1097
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: they will do it, But I don't care about getting

1098
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: him in the second round. Just get one, because I'll

1099
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: take Jarwin and Schultz and they can do their thing.

1100
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: And again, a badass slot receiver or a badass receiver

1101
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: who can play in the slot will be far more

1102
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: of a friend to Dak than a tight end in

1103
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: my opinion. Ye in my opinion, yep, Amber one boat,

1104
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: one vote or neither. Who's in free agency. They're just

1105
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: so close to each other. I mean, I don't know,

1106
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing else to say than everything they've said already.

1107
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: But one of the like cold Bleasley, he doesn't want

1108
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: to be here anymore. He's over it. He's ready to

1109
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: move on. Tavon. I would love to have him back,

1110
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: but unfortunately did not see anything this season to where

1111
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: it would give me hope that the Cowboys would be

1112
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: able to Utili. Yeah, but let me ask you this,

1113
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: because I think you guys are kind of glossing over

1114
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: the idea that he was a much better option as

1115
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: a return guy than anything else you had on this team.

1116
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: And even if you brought him back for the purposes

1117
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: of being your main return guy, that still has value

1118
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Now, maybe he's not willing to take

1119
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: that contract that comes with that, but I think that

1120
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: has value, and I would, at the very least, if

1121
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm the Cowboys try to resign him for that purpose alone,

1122
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: I will. I don't think it's fair to say Beasley

1123
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be here. I think about that. I

1124
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: think Beasley wants to be appreciated, Like Beasley wants to be,

1125
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: maybe not a focal point, but a guy who is

1126
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: not an afterthought. And he could maybe be that here

1127
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: if the money's right or maybe not. Yeah, but at

1128
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: this time, if it doesn't feel I appreciate it, doesn't

1129
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: he's got it. He's got a better chance of getting

1130
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: what he wants somewhere else. I will, And I actually,

1131
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: I personally believe there will be other teams out in

1132
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: the free agent market that are willing to pay him

1133
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: closer to what he wants than the Cowboys. Where's a

1134
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: list out there somewhere that says he's one of the

1135
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: top five available free agents in the Cole Beasley in

1136
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: my opinion, and I think the Cowboys let him go

1137
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: do that. I agree with that, which is why I

1138
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: and I'm all about bringing Tavon back mainly because of price.

1139
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: Like he could he's the closest thing you have to

1140
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: a dynamic returner. He can do some of that slot stuff.

1141
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: Not going to command huge money on the free agent one.

1142
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: That's I think you can get him back relatively cheaply.

1143
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: His injury history, his lack of really being able to

1144
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: find a true position, bring him back very cheaply to

1145
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: be my fifth or sixth receiver slash return guy. I'm

1146
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: fine with that. Ye all right, um, next question, who's

1147
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: more in need of backup support? Rod Smith? And I'm

1148
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: talking about the position and the player, right running back

1149
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: with Rod Smith, linebacker with Damian Wilson, or safety with

1150
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier. Were they more in need of backup support?

1151
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: They need to upgrade the backup person? Oh boy, well

1152
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: you know safety? Well? Actually starting go ahead, Nick, Well,

1153
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean I still this is about time you want

1154
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,959
Speaker 1: to talk about the starter. I want to talk about

1155
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: the backup they don't need. They don't need backup help

1156
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: at safety. They need starter because they're going to get

1157
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: a good backup. Okay, so let's weed that one, that

1158
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: one out or Heath Yeah, let's okay, good point. Let's

1159
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: leave leave that one out because I know where you're

1160
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: going with that. We'll talk about that later. They need

1161
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: to running back, running back or linebacker. With Damian Wilson

1162
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: and Rod Smith running back running back. One look at

1163
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I mean, look, who's who's gonna be

1164
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: the best running back in the game. Girly, girly you think, yes,

1165
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm out at his back up? I'm putting my house

1166
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: on it. Yes, okay, but no, I'm not who's the

1167
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: best running No, who's gonna be the best one in

1168
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: that game? It will be Girly. Girly has two weeks

1169
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: to be He'll be fine, he'll be ready. I get it.

1170
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying C. J. Anderson has a role.

1171
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: The Patriots have seventeen backs that they were they run

1172
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: got it. But I'm saying you got it, Okay. They

1173
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: don't get there without it, don't get there. They don't

1174
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: get there. To say is that it's okay to have

1175
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: the best running back in the game, and and I

1176
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: also have a good backup. And the saying, what are

1177
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: you saying, I'm saying, he's not a running back? Oh,

1178
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: he's really not, Like what is he? He's a good player,

1179
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: but he's he's he's tall, He's not really a dynamic

1180
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: type of running back. I know I want to get

1181
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: I want to draft one in the fifth round. And

1182
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: he wanted him to be earlier than that third. Yeah,

1183
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: I'll do that. I got other needs for that, Sure

1184
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: you do. But honestly, I believe it by the end

1185
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: of this season, I believe they had beaten up, They'd

1186
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: beaten Zeke to death. I think I think Zeke was.

1187
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: He was kind of at the point where it just

1188
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: he didn't have the same juice I think by the

1189
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: end tough and but and it's because of the mouth

1190
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: that they used him. And I think that if you're

1191
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: smart in today's NFL, you need to have two quality

1192
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: backs that can that you can take one out and

1193
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: put the other one in and you don't lose a

1194
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: whole lot by doing it. And fact the matter is,

1195
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: you look at some of the really good teams and

1196
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: you brought up in the break the Saints. Saints got

1197
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: really good again when they got Kamara. They already had

1198
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: a running back that was a really good running back,

1199
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: Roll Bowl Running, Yes, exactly. But they went out and

1200
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: got Kamara, and Kamara added a whole different dimension to

1201
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: their offense. To me, that's how I look at this.

1202
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: You can have a great running back, you give me

1203
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: another another running back that has that kind of dynamic ability,

1204
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: and you will make your offense infinitely better. I bet,

1205
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: I'll bet, I'll bet a paycheck that they upgrade their

1206
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: backup running back position the offseason. And that's a key

1207
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: position for him, Like we know, when they don't have

1208
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: a good running back in there, they just completely crash yep.

1209
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: Which and I wrote about that actually yesterday shameless plug.

1210
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: They do have other needs, but I really think this

1211
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: roster is uniquely positioned, like they have enough talent in

1212
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: enough places that they can afford to do that. If

1213
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: the best guy on their board in the third round

1214
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: or even the second round is a running back, I

1215
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 1: think they would do it, because this is as few

1216
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: holes they have on the starting lineup as they've had

1217
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: in a long long time. Yep. And I think I

1218
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: think if he had another backup spot that needs to

1219
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: be addressed, and maybe he'll be a starter, But I

1220
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: think defensive tackle is something they need to be looking

1221
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: at as well, just because you know, they didn't have

1222
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: Irving's not going to be a part of this, and

1223
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: they had the Daniel Rosses and guys like that. But

1224
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, not too early to start, you don't. You

1225
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: don't know what the future is going to be the

1226
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: next few years, about Tyrone Crawford and Malite Collins and

1227
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods and all that. Just keep them coming, keep

1228
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: getting these young guys in there a defensive tackle. How

1229
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: many more questions do you have? I just I had

1230
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: guessing we only got to like three out of ten. No, no, no,

1231
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: we got to five of the six, and there was

1232
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: one that was gonna be like multiple questions, So we'll

1233
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: save that one. Okay, we gotta We're already over time.

1234
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: But I do want to ask this last question. Hopefully

1235
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: done too long, but a better chance of being here

1236
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: three years from now, Taco Charlton or Jordan Lewis. Oh

1237
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: did I just introduced a whole new show? Maybe? Well?

1238
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: I think I think Taco has the better chance just

1239
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: because of his contract, Like he's got the first and

1240
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick. You're probably not gonna cut

1241
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: a first round pick, you could trade him. Not that

1242
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna cut Jordan, but I said three years,

1243
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: so that would be at the time when they would

1244
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: give him a fifth year option, and all that kicks in, right,

1245
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: So it's it's that would have said Byron Jones is out,

1246
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: but right options, so you never know. You never know,

1247
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: and that's that's why it's it is not fair or

1248
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: right to call Taco a bust based on what we

1249
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: just saw with Byron. It is fair to say he

1250
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: is not a hit. You know what I like you see, Well, no,

1251
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: he's not a hit because if you hit Layton vander

1252
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: Esch just made a Pro Bowl as a rookie. Zach

1253
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: Martin has never not been all Pro. So you're saying

1254
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: Byron's not a hit. Byron's not a Hittitron just salvaged

1255
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: his draft stock, he became a good player. He's not

1256
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: a hit. You only got one Pro Bowl season out

1257
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: of him in four years. Like that's he's not a hit.

1258
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: Zach Martin is a hit, a Grand Slam. So Taco

1259
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: is not a hit. That doesn't mean he's not a bust.

1260
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't mean he's a bust, but he's

1261
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: got Work's got to be an in between between a

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Speaker 1: bust and a hit. I mean a little touch butt,

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Speaker 1: a butt like a butt. He's a walk right now.

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Speaker 1: He looks double a single. I don't know, triple whiff

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Speaker 1: right now, the whiff, he's a strikeout. If you're a

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Speaker 1: first round pick and you're a healthy scratch in your

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Speaker 1: second year, there's I can't defend that. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: was a big defender of Taco, But that means that

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Speaker 1: means they didn't want you on the field. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: not that they didn't just give you a few like

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Speaker 1: they didn't want if they made you a healthy strategy,

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Speaker 1: didn't want you on the field. Although I will say,

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Speaker 1: and I think the world of Jordan Lewis as a

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Speaker 1: guy and as a player, but the guy that's calling

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Speaker 1: the defense does not favor his style of play, for

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Speaker 1: lack of a better way to phrase it. So it's

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Speaker 1: an interesting question. I don't I don't really know for sure.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. I would not be surprised if

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Speaker 1: one or both of them doesn't finish their contract here. Yeah, wait,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know anything, Like I don't mean to

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Speaker 1: speculate it, but we'll see. They're both in a precarious

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Speaker 1: situation right now. You would think just because of the

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Speaker 1: lack of opportunities that they got this year, that does

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Speaker 1: signal something, right. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: You on us. We're back next week on Wednesday, Wednesday

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