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Speaker 1: are we going? First? Let's go to Paul in Wisconsin. Paul, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: How are you today, sir? How can I help?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Ron, thanks for taking m call my problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I have my dad's nineteen seventy three Opal Manta rally cool.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get that. I'm trying to get that

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Speaker 2: It smoothed out after a few, you know, maybe a

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Speaker 2: And I worked on a little bit last fall and

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Speaker 1: So give me, give me the list. What have you

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Speaker 2: Okay, I know you hate me. I'm throwing parts at

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Speaker 2: I put a new Weber thirty two slash thirty six

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Speaker 2: DGV carburetor in it, right, Okay, I put a new condenser,

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Speaker 2: rotor distributor cap and cleaned, checked the plugs. Let's see

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Speaker 2: that's about it right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to make you buy tools. But you

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Speaker 1: like doing that, right because you like you like tinkering.

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Speaker 1: It's in your nature.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't help myself, okay, So.

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Speaker 1: Go down to your local Ota parts store and ask

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Speaker 1: them for a spark tester. Now, the difference between using

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Speaker 1: The laws of physics dictate that if you've done a

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Speaker 2: On this engine, I'm getting around one hundred and twenty okay.

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Speaker 1: Is one hundred and twenty psi more than the atmospheric

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Speaker 1: So is it easier for an ignission system that's designed

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Speaker 1: And understand, and I say this a thousand times. Diagnosing

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Speaker 1: And you know, you want to know what's good. You

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Speaker 1: Fuel pressure, all right? You know where where is fuel

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Speaker 1: So I tell you what sit tight real quick? Paul.

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Speaker 1: ron Hey, let's uh, Paul, you're still there, Sir Paul.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's let me just finish up with you.

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Speaker 1: Put a vault meter? You own a vault meter? Yes,

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Speaker 1: This engine will sit there and run correct.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well that's good. No, that's good brother. All right,

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Speaker 1: And then and then last thing, how about if we

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Speaker 1: Remember this it's only a car, and when it came

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Speaker 1: out of the factory it worked perfectly, so it's not unrepairable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm going to touch base with you again,

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Speaker 2: all right, if, if, and when I get this figured out.

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Speaker 1: for us, and we'll talk about your twenty jeep Grand Cherokee.

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Speaker 1: I'm ronnin Andy and the Car Doctor. A five five

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Speaker 1: five six zero nine nine zero zero is the phone number.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this. Don't go away.