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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob left Tess Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is the King of Vinyl himself, Michael Kremer,

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Speaker 1: also Audio Equipment Viewer Extraordinaire. Michael. Good to have you.

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Speaker 1: Great to be here with you, Bob, really great. Okay,

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Speaker 1: first question is we're reading all about these issues of

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Speaker 1: vinyl production. You know, plants being burned up, shutting down.

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Speaker 1: Is there an issue with vinyl production? Well, the big

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Speaker 1: issue was supposedly when the Apollo lacquer fire happened. So

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Speaker 1: Apollo is it was the major supplier. We thought of lacquers.

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Speaker 1: Lacquers are needed to make records. So you take a

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Speaker 1: lacquer and you put it on a lathe and the

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Speaker 1: lacquer gets cut and the grooves are in the lacquer.

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Speaker 1: Then that gets plated and it turns into a stamper

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Speaker 1: and you make records. So there was a company called

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Speaker 1: Transco that was right near me in Elizabeth, New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: like in the early nineties, and I went to visit

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Speaker 1: them and saw they make lacquers. Then Apollo in California

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Speaker 1: bought trans Go and put the two plants in one

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Speaker 1: plant in California, and I said at the time, what

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Speaker 1: if there is an earthquake, What if something happens, then

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Speaker 1: you lose everything. So they didn't have an earthquake. But

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Speaker 1: what happened was there was a huge fire there and

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Speaker 1: it burnt the place almost to the ground. And everybody

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Speaker 1: wondered where the lacquer is gonna come from? And that's

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Speaker 1: gonna stop the whole industry from making records. But in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, there was a Japanese company that was making

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Speaker 1: laquers and they were making more than we thought, and

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Speaker 1: so they stepped up to the plate and there was

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Speaker 1: no problem with laquers. The big problem today is not

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Speaker 1: enough pressing plants, not enough capacity, because the record business,

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Speaker 1: the vinyl business has just gone gangbusters this year. It's

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Speaker 1: been it's amazing what's happened this year? Okay, so to

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Speaker 1: what degree does the means of production lagged the demand? Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's not enough presses and so UH for example, Verve

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Speaker 1: and UH and Acoustics Sounds got together and did a

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Speaker 1: whole reissue series of great records on the Impulse and

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Speaker 1: and Verve record label. So they ordered X number of

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Speaker 1: records of let's say, John Coltrane's a love supreme and ballots.

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Speaker 1: That was one month's output. They put two records out

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Speaker 1: a month, so they pressed up X number of copies.

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Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to say how many they were, but

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Speaker 1: there were a lot, a lot more than I thought. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Those sold out almost immediately, and so Verve asked for

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Speaker 1: another pressing and they couldn't press them because they had

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Speaker 1: other commitments. The guy that owns the pressing plant, which

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Speaker 1: is q RP in Salina, Kansas, um he said he

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Speaker 1: could press doors and beatles seven and keep the praise going.

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Speaker 1: But he can't do that, of course, because there are

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Speaker 1: orders for other things. So the problem now is there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of big pressing plants, but they're they're

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Speaker 1: completely booked. So how many pressing plants are there in

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Speaker 1: the world. Well, there's a number of really big ones.

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Speaker 1: Uh So this record industry in the Netherland. In the

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Speaker 1: early two thousands, well probably the early nineties, Sony decided

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Speaker 1: Were records are going away, we have this huge plant.

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Speaker 1: The infrastructure of a record pressing planet includes giant boilers,

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Speaker 1: the heat water piping presses that are big, heavy things.

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Speaker 1: And they said we've got to get rid of this

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Speaker 1: came along and said to Sony, I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 1: estate and the building. I'll take care of getting all

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Speaker 1: the rest of this junk out of here. And Sony

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Speaker 1: figured they had a sucker on the line and they

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Speaker 1: made the deal with him, and that guy, Taan Vermillion,

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Speaker 1: now owns a free pressing plant in Harlem, the Netherlands,

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Speaker 1: and it's one of the biggest in the world. So

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Speaker 1: So that's a big one. There's a u RP in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: they press a lot of records. There's MPO in France.

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Speaker 1: There's um so, there's a There's a dozen plants, and

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Speaker 1: then a lot of small ones that have opened up.

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Speaker 1: You know. Jack White, a third man, has a pressing

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Speaker 1: There's Furnace in Virginia. He just opened a big, big plant. Uh.

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Speaker 1: last year. I didn't get the participation that I desired

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Speaker 1: twenty million records were pressed easily last year. Okay, you

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Speaker 1: six presses. How many records can six presses produce? Well, again,

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Speaker 1: is because some of the presses work faster on the others.

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Speaker 1: Some of them work slower than others. A pressing cycle

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Speaker 1: should be a couple of minutes, so you know, do

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Speaker 1: the math. A couple of minutes to press a record.

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Speaker 1: You keep the pressed running eight hours a day. Um,

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Speaker 1: some presses, some presses are running running three three shifts

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Speaker 1: do the math. I'm ath lexics. Don't expect me to

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Speaker 1: do the math and add that up for you. I

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Speaker 1: can't do it. Just to be clear, I've been to

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Speaker 1: a pressing plant Rainbow Records. It used to be in

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Speaker 1: Santa Monica. When you talk about a minute, it didn't

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Speaker 1: seem like it was a minute just to make one record.

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Speaker 1: Are you talking about the whole process? You're literally saying

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Speaker 1: a minute to make both sides. Well, it's both sides

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Speaker 1: get pressed at the same time. So so what happens

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Speaker 1: at least a minute, then it opens up. Then the

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Speaker 1: a machine that slices the flash away from a on

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Speaker 1: or slides down a thing into into a pile of records.

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Speaker 1: It's over a minute. Let's go back to the heyday

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Speaker 1: of vinyl. There was a big issue whether it was

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Speaker 1: virgin vinyl re grind uh. Some labels like Atlantic were

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Speaker 1: is the issue of purity still in the mix, and

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Speaker 1: to what degree does thickness affect the ultimate recording. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, records got bad in the seventies when there

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Speaker 1: So a lot of bad records. But it's not fair

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Speaker 1: that so you could buy a led Zeppelin record press

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Speaker 1: pressing plans. But at any rate, most today our virgin vinyl.

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Speaker 1: But there are some presses that believe that some of

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Speaker 1: the regrind should be used it makes a better record.

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Speaker 1: But what they do is if their record is badly pressed,

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Speaker 1: they don't throw it away. They take the record and

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Speaker 1: that's still virgin vinyl. Essentially, it's not it's not really

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Speaker 1: used vinyl. Okay, Now, is anybody making new pressing machines. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there are a number of new pressing machines. So there's

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Speaker 1: a company in Canada making new presses. There's a company

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Speaker 1: in Germany making new presses too. Lex Alpha was one

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Speaker 1: getting requests for parts and will you maybe make a

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Speaker 1: new press, and so he organized the company. He got

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Speaker 1: And those are not called Phoenix Alpha. So there are

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Speaker 1: many many new presses you can buy, and there are

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Speaker 1: a boutique press. So local bands can go in there

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Speaker 1: and get their albums pressed on vinyl. And these places

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Speaker 1: are all really busy right now. Everything everybody's booked up solid.

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Speaker 1: How about lathes to actually cut the lacquers, Well, that's

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Speaker 1: that's an issue. Uh. There are no new lathes being made,

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Speaker 1: but right now there are a sufficient number around uh,

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Speaker 1: of record pressing, from the beginning to the end, there

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Speaker 1: are hitches in the line. But so far right now

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Speaker 1: everything's everything's fine, everything's coming along. Just find plenty of laquers,

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Speaker 1: plenty of PVC, uh, plenty of presses. They're very, very busy.

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Speaker 1: And the ones that have room to from more presses,

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Speaker 1: they're hesitant to to buy new presses and start pressing

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Speaker 1: going to go away at some point. But I don't

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Speaker 1: see it happening now, Bob. I think this is this

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Speaker 1: is here to stay and growing. Okay, little backfield. How

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Speaker 1: much does the press cost? It's pretty expensive. I don't

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Speaker 1: At the end of the tenure of Vinyl, there were

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Speaker 1: big debates whether the Neuman lathe although the standard was

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Speaker 1: What's your view on the different competition in lathes. Well,

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Speaker 1: at this point, you know, the Annyman SX seventy four

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Speaker 1: other you know, there are other cutting systems. There's a

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Speaker 1: the older Scully machines, That's what Rudy van Gelder had,

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Speaker 1: That's what Bernie Grunman uses. He's got a Skully lathe,

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Speaker 1: which is actually the device you know, plays the lack

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Speaker 1: but he uses a Hayko cut her head. The Annoyment

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Speaker 1: And then of course there's d M M. The direct

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Speaker 1: Deck in the at the end of the vinyl era.

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Speaker 1: And so when another thing that happens, when lacquers started,

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Speaker 1: Czech Republic that I visited them. That's a huge place.

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Speaker 1: They make their own PVC, they rebuild their own presses. Uh,

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Speaker 1: not forgive For those of us who really remember the record,

426
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: it was rare that you got a perfect copy. They warped,

427
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: they had surface noise. So is the thickness just an

428
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: image or does that help? Well? Two things. First, you

429
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: know Japanese pressings are the finest pressings in terms of

430
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: the quality, and they really are. However, they didn't always

431
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 1: get the best source, so it will be a third

432
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: generation taped that they would use. And their EQ was

433
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: kind of weird. They would roll off the base. It

434
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 1: was kind of like, because you know, the walls are

435
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: thin and people are packed together, you don't have to

436
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: much basic going through people's apartments. So yeah, the quality

437
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: was about heavier vinyl if it's properly done, can sound better.

438
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: But doing it well, pressing a hundred a gram record

439
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: is very difficult to do correctly. Uh So I don't

440
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: want when they say it's a hundred eighty gram record,

441
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: the record label say it's pressed on a hundred gram vinyl.

442
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm not as much interested in that as a how

443
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: it was cut, where it's being pressed. Why is it

444
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: so difficult to gram vinyl because it's a it's a

445
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: larger biscuit of warm vinyl that's on the press that

446
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: has to be pushed and spread across the surface of

447
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: the stamper, and it can start to harden before it

448
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: gets all the way out to the outer edge of this.

449
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: Pressing a perfect record is a miracle, it's almost a miracle.

450
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: But pressing a good record is not that difficult, and

451
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: pressing a flat record is not that difficult. But getting

452
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: it to flow evenly over the surface of the stamper

453
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: and not begin to harden before it gets to the edge,

454
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: it's difficult. And so what you get is what's called nonfill.

455
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: There are a number of issues involved in a bad record,

456
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: and one of them is is non filled. But we

457
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't get too technical here because you know, well, you know,

458
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,719
Speaker 1: we got some people who are actually very interested in this. Okay,

459
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go back to analog versus digital. One

460
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: of the big things when c ds came out, they

461
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: had the codes on the back of the product. They

462
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: would be like A A D D D D you know,

463
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,239
Speaker 1: D at the end would represent the final iteration like

464
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: the c D, but their first D would represent it

465
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: was cut on a digital machine. Second would be was

466
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: mixed on a digital machine. So the first question I

467
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: have for you is if something is cut analog. I

468
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: totally understand an analog and product, but if something is

469
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: cut digitally originally, tell me why vinyl would be good

470
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: as opposed to a great file of that quality. That's

471
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: a very good question. So first of all, let's say

472
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: you're buying a CD made from a four bit master.

473
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: You're going down in quality from K four bit to

474
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: six K, so you're losing quality right there. If you

475
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: cut a record, a vinyl record from a four bit file,

476
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: and the dacoder that's used to create the analog signal

477
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: from the digital is the highest quality dacoder you can buy,

478
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: which is very costly and can be found in some

479
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: great studios. The chances of that record sounding better than

480
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: a CD version is great. It's it should sound better

481
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: than a CD version. Streaming high resolution can sound really good.

482
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is the d d

483
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: A conversion is critical. The resolution of how you convert

484
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: it back at home is critical. I met just last week.

485
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: I met a man who I can't mention his name,

486
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: and I can't tell you the company that he founded

487
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: and into high resolution digital. And he said to me

488
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: last week, he said, you know, I invented the blankety blank.

489
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: But I still think records sound better. He says, even

490
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: if a record is cut from a digital source, I

491
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: think it sounds better if the converter is better than

492
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: what than when a kid has at home to turn

493
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: it into into analog to play at home, it can

494
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: sound better. And let's talk. Let's talk at the super

495
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: high end, which you're very familiar with. If we have

496
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: a file at one two that easy equivalent to the

497
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: original master, and you have the appropriate equipment to play

498
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: it back, you have the right converters, it should sound

499
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: better than the analog version. Well, it'll say, it's just

500
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: sound different, now, you know. Better is a subjective thing.

501
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: Everything we listen to is all a distortion of reality.

502
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: Nothing sounds like, you know, live, when you're a live

503
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: and nothing. I have a stereo that's stupidly costly. It

504
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: sounds great. But if if someone's playing live upstairs in

505
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: my house, I know it's live. I know it's that

506
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: my system, you know. So that's the first thing. Every

507
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: step in the process of making it into a record

508
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: or making it into a CD, or making it into

509
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: a high resolution fround. This distortion involved in it. If

510
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: adding the distortion of cutting a lacquer and making a

511
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: record out of it adds something that makes it sound

512
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: more real, I'm okay with that. I'm okay. You know,

513
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: when digital recording started, what's the first thing that happened

514
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: in the microphone business. The studio said, this sounds so

515
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: harsh and so drabbed, we better start putting some tube

516
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: warmth into our recording. So Noyman microphones, which you could

517
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: buy for a song at first, no pun intended, started

518
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: getting more costly as as studios and engineer started buying

519
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: all of these devices that are noisy and distortion producing,

520
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: because adding that added a certain kind of warmth that

521
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: was pleasing to the ear. So yeah, theoretically, if I

522
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: had a high resolution file that was for a bit

523
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: and I played it back on my deck, which is

524
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: one of the best acts you can get, that file

525
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: should sound as good as it's going to get. If

526
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: it's converted to a record and played back on my system,

527
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: it should sound very close to the to the file,

528
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: and it does because my analog playback system is let's

529
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: go back, because I was heavily invested in this emotionally

530
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: in dollars. Wise, okay, there were a lot of issues

531
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: in vinyl, all of which are still in the game.

532
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: One is the balance of the cartridge to the angle

533
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: of the needle three and I hate to bring this

534
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: up because it was innovative, but it had way too

535
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: much friction. The Garrard turntable where the needle moved perpendicularly

536
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: to the record. Ultimately, Piana Sonic Techniques they did that.

537
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: Then there's the issue with skating. What those all those

538
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 1: issues still exist today to what degree to those affect

539
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: the ultimate sound? All of those issues still exist, but

540
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: we are learning, you know, a lot about how to

541
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: solve those problems. And so, for example, I'm involved in

542
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: a stylists rake angle um zoom conference on Saturday where

543
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: there will be people from all over the world there

544
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: to how do you set the stylist rake angle of

545
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: your playback system? And all this sounds completely anachronistic. I know,

546
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: it's sort of like deciding how to make your Steam

547
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: engine run better. But when you have all these records

548
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 1: that thank god didn't get thrown away, old records that

549
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: can sound unbelievable today, and and new records too, and

550
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 1: playing it back correctly. We're learning a lot about how

551
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: to do this better. And there are better and better

552
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: turntables and better and better cartridges, and all of the

553
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: material science that's involved in everything we do today UH

554
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: is now applied to this subject because there's a market

555
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: for it. There's a business in it. Um tangent. Still

556
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: tracking is overrated and not really necessary. I'm I'm in

557
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: the nine inch pivoted arm camp. I still think them

558
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: added distortion that that adds, when properly done, is less

559
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: than gets added by the rest of your stereo system.

560
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: So all these issues are there, but properly played back,

561
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: there's nothing like a record. And I I say that,

562
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: and I have people coming over with total skeptics, and

563
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: when they leave, they go, I had no idea. I remember,

564
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: is a c D C. The original c D was

565
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: well mastered, never mind the subsequent iterations and which was

566
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: not the case in the late eighties. And I remember

567
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: putting on that c D and I have plenty of power, etcetera.

568
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: Because I never want to hit the stortion and then

569
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: whipping out the vinyl, which I take very good care

570
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 1: of but Back in Black had been played so many times.

571
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: If I put on the c D and cranked it up,

572
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: eventually my ears would start to bleed, so to speak.

573
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: If I put on the VIR, I would feel something

574
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: with my body. It would like shake, it would like

575
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: being at a live show. It definitely sounded different, definitely

576
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: sounded better to my ears. But then there are other

577
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: people who say, hey, we've made so many advances in

578
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: digital that all your complaints of the eighties and nineties

579
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: no longer exist. Well, it's certainly gotten better, and no

580
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: thanks to the people. At the beginning he said it

581
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: was perfect, and that just drove me crazy. Every time

582
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: I would hear a CD if something it was horrible

583
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: compared to the original record. In fact, there's a very

584
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: famous mastering engineer that I met. I met her through

585
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: old sobs. Actually that's all another funny story. And uh,

586
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: he said, I've just remastered the Peter Gabriel catalog. Can

587
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: I come over to your place and listen? This is

588
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: nine in their early nineties. This was And so he

589
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: came over and we started playing. It was either so

590
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: or one of the early ones, and to me it

591
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: sounded horrible. I said, now, I'm gonna play for you

592
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: the original British Charisma pressing, and I put it on

593
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 1: and in three seconds his face fell in. You went,

594
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: what happened? What? What? What happened? I said, I don't know.

595
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: You heard what I just heard. That's something that has

596
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: to be worked out if this is gonna ever sound

597
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, there's no noise, there's no has All

598
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: the problems with analog are solved, but the music itself

599
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: doesn't sound right. And now today it's sounding better, but

600
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: it's still there's still something you can't measure. But you know,

601
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: I have I have a fifteen year old kid writing

602
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: for me, Bob. He's a vinyl fanatic, and what he

603
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: says is that when you listen to digital, there's noise.

604
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: And it's not noise on the disc in the groove,

605
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: but it's something about the process that creates noise in

606
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: your brain. And then when you put a record on,

607
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: your whole body drops and relaxes, and you start bringing

608
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: the music into your body and your brain relaxes. I

609
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: can't measure that, but I know I can hear it. Okay,

610
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: let's go to the equipment itself. Uh, when we're talking

611
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: about turntables. There's been this endless war between direct rye

612
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: the belts. Belts look like they want now direct drive

613
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: is coming back. What's your take on that. I'm currently reviewing. Um,

614
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: I think I sent you a picture of it. Is

615
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: it's a half a million dollar turntable. It's crazy. It's

616
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: belt drive. And then there's another two others that are

617
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: direct drive. Again, it's a matter of how the technology

618
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: is accomplished. So the idea of having a motor that's

619
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: attached to the platter is problematic because anything that's that's vibrating,

620
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: that's not smooth, or that's cogging, is going to create

621
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: problems in what you hear. The best direct drive turntables

622
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: today are really really good. And when Techniques got back

623
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: in the turntable business, they after stopping they had to

624
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: retool everything over again and they redesigned their turntables even

625
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: though they look like the old disc jockey turntables, and

626
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: they're much much better, they sound much much better, and

627
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: they're already a file quality now, whereas at the beginning

628
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: they were not. They made they have all kinds of problems.

629
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: So both technologies are good. You can have techniques. I

630
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: still have my SLT hundred. People don't really remember. There

631
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: was the twelve hundred hundred and four hundred twelve hundred,

632
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: which is legendary for DJ's fully manual. Fourteen hundred you

633
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: drop the needle, but it would return it. Thirteen hundred

634
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: would both drop the needle and return it, and you

635
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: could dial up a certain number of plays. Our automatic turntables,

636
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about stacking. We all know that's ridiculous.

637
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: But there are automatic turntables just dead. There are very

638
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: few being made anymore. Um. There are a few that

639
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: pick up at the end. That's about it. But it's

640
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: not really an important part of the market. You know.

641
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: It's like my my father wants to play his records

642
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: and he falls asleep before it ends. Can we can

643
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: you get me a turntable to pick somebody? So? Yeah,

644
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: you do that? Well, I mean I must say that,

645
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, it bothers me because the turntable they tend

646
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: to use now is bell drive. And of course this

647
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: is another issue how much you can fit on one side.

648
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: So I'm listening to the new UH Peter Green tribute

649
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: album and it's on two c d s and UH

650
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: six vinyl records. Okay, so there's not much music on

651
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: each record. See it's going to be released soon. It's

652
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: not much music on each record. But I'm constantly having

653
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: to get up, which is one thing if I'm only

654
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: sitting on a couch, but if I'm working at the computer,

655
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's a pain in the ass. I tell

656
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: the people in my industry, you need to get up

657
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: every twenty minutes. It's good for you, it's good for

658
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: your heart, it's good fear legs, good fear joints. Get

659
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: up every twenty minutes. Twenty minutes, as it turns out,

660
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: is a perfect amount of It's like eating a meal.

661
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: How much food can you eat in in one sitting?

662
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: Twenty minutes is a nice amount of listening time before

663
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: you have to break from what you're doing and turn

664
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: it over. But you know, the big problem with music

665
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: over the past forty years is it's become a background source,

666
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: and listening to music has become almost like like vampireism.

667
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: You put the record on, it's in the background while

668
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: you cook, while you eat, while you exercise. But artists,

669
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: they don't, They didn't make music for that. They make

670
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: music for you to sit down and pay attention to

671
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and records are really good for that,

672
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: not just because of the physical nation off you have

673
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: to sit and listen to it and it's only twenty minutes,

674
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: but there's something about it. And I've always said this,

675
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: when you put a record on and young people are

676
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: discovering this, it draws you in in a certain way

677
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: where you want to pay attention to it, whereas digital

678
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: your brain says, I don't like this, I'm not comfortable

679
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: with this. I must do something else while this is on.

680
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: And I really believe that, And I think if it

681
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: hasn't been proven yet, it will eventually be proven. But

682
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: certainly the way people consume music has demonstrated that to

683
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: be true. Okay, now, in the early sixties, all of

684
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: us tended to listen on one box radios. Your appearance

685
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: at a bigger system. The Beatles came in. We went

686
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: from one track to two track, to four track, to

687
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: eight track to sixteen to thirty two unlimited, and there

688
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: was a concommoned explosion in stereo such that everybody wanted

689
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: to have a better stereo, and the landscape was riddled

690
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: with stereo shops. In the nineties, they were somehow replaced

691
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: by all in one boom boxes. And now except for

692
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, some stuff that you're familiar with, it is

693
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: seeded back into the marketplace. We have the tweaks as

694
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: they call them, with super high end stuff. They can

695
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: spend a hundred k no problem. On the other hand,

696
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: we have a lot of people are listening to digital

697
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: through earbuds. But if you want to get into vinyl,

698
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: how much money do you have to spend to cross

699
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: the threshold of quality. You can get a satisfying system

700
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: for twelve or fifteen hundred dollars, which, if you think

701
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: about inflation, is not that your money you can get.

702
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: It's a small pair of speakers, they won't have a

703
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of base. You can get a turntable that's gonna

704
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: play back well and not distort and not ruin your records,

705
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: and it will sound quiet. And you can get a

706
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: small receiver or integrated amplifier that will have enough power

707
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: to drive the speakers. And there are systems that you

708
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: can You can go on the right websites and find

709
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: those systems and they sound great. And when a young

710
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: person who has only heard earbuds and only heard his

711
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: phone play music, when they hear something like that they

712
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: respond to it naturally because it sounds great. It sounds

713
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: really good. Okay. As you mentioned earlier, it was a

714
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: big issue in the seventies. You don't want the turntable

715
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: to ruin the records first. The thought back then was

716
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: you should not You should need to let the vinyl

717
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: rest before you play it again. What's your theory on that. Well,

718
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, in my job, I have to play a

719
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: record over and over against to get to know the

720
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: music well enough to write about it. I don't think

721
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: it's a problem on a clean record with a clean

722
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: stylists tracking at the right tracking force. I don't think

723
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: and record where is another is another thing I hear

724
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: a lot about records really don't wear if you take

725
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: care of them, and I can go back and play

726
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: any like I had these guys. I went to cross

727
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: the street to my neighbors when I moved in here

728
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, and my neighbor introduced me by saying,

729
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: you see this guy. This guy plays records still. He

730
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: thinks records sound better when these guys are laughing at me,

731
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: and I said, we're in a hot up. I said,

732
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: what do you like rolling stones? I said, get dry

733
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: it off, come on, of course the street. I'll play

734
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: some Rolling Stones. So I had just gotten the S

735
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: A C D s of the Rolling Stones catalog, and

736
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: those are better than CD quality, and I brought them in.

737
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: I sat them down. I said, all right, let's let's

738
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: play Aftermath nineteen sixty seven. So we put the S

739
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: A C D of Aftermath on and these guys have

740
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: never heard a really good stereo and they were like,

741
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's It's like wow, I'm hearing all

742
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: these instruments separated in space. It's really incredible. You're telling

743
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: me the records better? All right? Now playing Merbers Pressing

744
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: I've been playing since nineteen seven, and I'm gonna play

745
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: that for you. And I put it on and in

746
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: two seconds the first guy goes, Okay, I get it.

747
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: It's like the other was good. But Mick Jaggett was like,

748
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: standing right in front of me in three dimensions, I

749
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: can see him and everything is. I hear all the

750
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: instruments and yeah, that's much better. How is that possible?

751
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: I said, let's go back in the hot tub. We'll talk.

752
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: You know, no one ever comes down here. Okay, let's

753
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: go back to turntables. You mentioned earlier that there are

754
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: these cheap turntables that are good enough. Hey, let's go

755
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: back to the price point. Be what are the brand names? See?

756
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: Is that enough? Or really, if you're interested, you should

757
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: you buy something better that will last you longer, or

758
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to replace this initial cheap turntable. If

759
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: a young person comes to me, I tell them the

760
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: least expensive turntable that you can get that's going to

761
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: do the job is made in Americas by a company

762
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: called you Turn. And you can start at with a

763
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy nine dollar turntable and you can upgrade

764
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: it as you go. But if you start with that

765
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: and buy their phono pre imp which is a Pluto,

766
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: which is you're getting started with something that's well made,

767
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: relatively well made, and it's gonna take care of your

768
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: records because you're gonna want to upgrade as you go

769
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: over time. And those kids are funny. They their tough

770
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: university graduates. They got their degrees and they told their

771
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: parents that they're gonna they decided they're gonna open up

772
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: a turntable manufacturing company. And their parents were so disappointed

773
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: with the money, the advantage and these kids did it,

774
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: and they have like fifteen or sixteen employees now in Wuburn,

775
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: and they sell a lot of turntables and a lot

776
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: of phono pre imps and upgrades. That's the basic minimum,

777
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: and then you can go up to a project or

778
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: even an audio technica that costs about two and seventy

779
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: nine dollars. And I spoke to a dealer in in

780
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: Louisiana a couple of weeks ago who told me that

781
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: he had back order of these Audio Nicko turntables. He

782
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: finally got them in and then he had to wait

783
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: like months, he found so he called audio technic. He said, look,

784
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: I want to get more of these, so I have

785
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: a stock of them and they said, sorry, we're back

786
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: ordered that that I can't. That blows my mind. And

787
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: those are being bought by young people. That's not like

788
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: my generation or even a generation younger than mine. Those

789
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: are kids buying that. And this is spreading. It's it's

790
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: like a virus. It spreads because once okay, let's get

791
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: down to the bolts though relevant of the pnumbra. Okay,

792
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: so those audio technicals cost how much to seventy nine? Okay,

793
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: what's the step beyond that? Uh. Step beyond that is

794
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: getting rid of the plastic body and getting a project.

795
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: Um A debut carbon is like three, and that's made

796
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: in the Czech Republic. That will really get you up

797
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: there to a to a pretty good turntable and you

798
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: can that arm is good enough. You can put any

799
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: cartridge you want, and you can start with an inexpensive

800
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: order font and then get a more expensive order on

801
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: and keep improving the cartridges as you go and the

802
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: sound gets better and then you're hooked. Okay, if I

803
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: spend three, is that enough or forever? Or one day

804
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wake up said no, I need something better.

805
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: But that's like saying what a key Is that going

806
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: to settle it for me? Or do I want to get? Okay,

807
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: let's talk cars, BMW, Mercedes, Bins, Lexus, Maserati. Those are

808
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: premium cars. Okay. Now I don't want to make it

809
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: totally an analogy, but if you're buying the best Japanese

810
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: regular car, the best American car without going into the stratosphere,

811
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: how much money is what you should spend? Okay? If

812
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: you if you want to put some serious money into

813
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: a stereo but not go you know, crazy like uh,

814
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: five thou dollars for a turntable is you're hitting a

815
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: point of a really really fine product, well made, that's

816
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: gonna sound really good it and then the cartridge you

817
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: can put in there should be a couple of thousand dollars,

818
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: and so that's about seven or eight. Let's go cheaper

819
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: than that. Okay, I started at three d and twenty dollars.

820
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: If I is it worth it spending twelve hundred or

821
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: two thousand, or I have to go all the way

822
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: to five. A two thousand dollar turntable will definitely perform

823
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: better than a four in a dollar turntable. It will

824
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: be quieter, it will extract more information from the grooves,

825
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: and mechanically it will perform better. So in all ways

826
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: it will it will sound quieter, which is important. You know.

827
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: One of the things that you records work, it's it's

828
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: a velocity based thing. The stylust goes through the groove

829
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: and it's reading the grooves. If the turntable is well designed,

830
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: it will suppress the pops and clicks and you won't

831
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: hear them. If it's poorly designed, the whole thing is

832
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 1: gonna resonate like in a canyon. So the more you spend,

833
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: the better performance. So, but you have to spend that

834
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: much money for a couple of thousand dollars, you're you're

835
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: getting a turntable that's going to do a really, really

836
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: good job for you, and you can put anything. What

837
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: are the brand names that are? What are the models?

838
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: In that case, Project makes turn tables starting at nine

839
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: going up to fifteen thousand or something like that. So

840
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: that would be a good brand to look at. Um,

841
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: you know what, you gotta go on a website and

842
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: look at different brands. Clear Audio makes some reasonably price turntables. Also,

843
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: that's a German company. They make good turntables starting at

844
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: a reasonable price. You have to look around. There's so

845
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: many different brands. I don't even you know, I'm not

846
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: good at Let's go to the cartridge. Back in the

847
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: hey day in the mid seventies, you had to match

848
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: everything in your system. You have to match the cartridge

849
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: to the amplifier, to the speakers. But today, even turntables

850
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: in four figures they come with a cartridge. What's up

851
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: with that? Well, some do, but but actually most most don't.

852
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: You know. Some will come with the cartridge, but not

853
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: a great cartridge. They want to get you started. But

854
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: cartridges today ranging price from ars to a fifteen thousand dollars,

855
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: believe it or not, And the technology that's in these

856
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: cartridges is amazing. But you don't have to spend a

857
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: lot of money to get a decent cartridge. Company like

858
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: order Fon makes cartridges from to above ten thousand dollars,

859
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: and you know, anybody that would sit down and listen

860
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: can hear the difference between them. So, yeah, you can

861
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: spend a lot of money on a cartridge or you

862
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: can spend a little month. Okay, let's just assume I

863
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: have a set dollar plus a thousand dollar turntable. How

864
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: much should I spend on the cartridge? I would start

865
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: out at around five, and then you can go up

866
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: because a turntable at that price point should have an

867
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: arm that's sufficiently well built with sufficiently good um bearings

868
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: in it that it can handle the energy that will

869
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: come out of a more expensive cartridge. So that's one

870
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: of the reasons why you do want to buy a

871
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: turntable that has an arm on it that can be

872
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: allow you to upgrade your cartridge. Okay, so like five,

873
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: what are the brands I'm looking at? Their Um, Order Fun,

874
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: sound Smith, Clear Audio, Um just just an endless number

875
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: of brands, but Order Fun and sound Smith, which is

876
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: made in America. Uh, they've got a whole range of

877
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: cartridge that very good ones at five UM Audio Technically

878
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: makes a whole line of great cartridges. I visited them

879
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: once and they've been in this business for decades and

880
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: they've they've got really good quality control and they're the

881
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: best value. I mean, you can get a fifty dollar

882
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: Audio Technically that really performs surprisingly well. So okay, how

883
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: about moving magnet moving coil, Well, I think moving coil

884
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: moving called cartridges offer higher resolution there they have lower

885
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: mass so they can react in the groove faster. So

886
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: Order Fund makes a two M black for seves. That's

887
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: pretty much the epitome of moving magnet cartridges. It's very

888
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: very good. You can put that cartridge in most decent

889
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: turntables and you'd be surprised how good it sounds. They're

890
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: moving coil line starting at a thousand dollars and up.

891
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: They've got a line that the Cadenza line is around

892
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: and that takes you to a different level of sophistication

893
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: and timboroil balance and UH and high frequency response. So

894
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: there's no endto this. Okay, let's go to the amplification. Yes,

895
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: in the seventies the big thing was the receiver. Most

896
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: people were unaware there were three elements. There was the

897
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: pre amp, there was the amp, and the receiver the

898
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: FM tunor needle. Say, no one needs an FM tun anymore.

899
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: In terms of the amp in the preamp a what

900
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: do you say integrated versus separates? What do you say

901
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: in terms of price? What do you say in terms

902
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: of power? Give me some wrap on that. Yeah, you know,

903
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: one thing that's happened. We've moved to Class D amplifiers

904
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: at the lower end of the market, and now it's

905
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: moving up. These are extremely efficient amplifiers that use a

906
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: different kind of what's called a switch mode power supply,

907
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: so they don't require big transformers. You remember the big

908
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: heavy receivers of the day had these big transformers in it.

909
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: So like, I've got a PS audio sprout here. It's

910
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: made in Colorado. It's very very small, very very lightweight.

911
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: Yet it's got plenty of power. It's got well over

912
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: a hundred watts of channel. It's got it built in

913
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: phono preamp. It's beautifully made and it's it's like under

914
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars. So there's a lot of good things

915
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: for not that much money right now. If you you know,

916
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: if separates are the way to go, if you have

917
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: a big sophisticated system, you can buy an integrated amplifier

918
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: now that it's got the pre amplifier and the amplifier

919
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: in one box. And some of them have phono pre

920
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: umps built in. But I think you're better off having

921
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: the phono primp as an outboard device and adding your own.

922
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: That way you have more flexibility and what you're ending

923
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: up with. But and also all of this stuff is

924
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: out there. I know. I love reading your column where

925
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: you say, oh, no one does this anymore, or it's

926
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: hardly there. It's still You go to the show in

927
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: Munich is four days and thousands and thousands of manufacturers

928
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: are there. It's it's packed and the crowds are huge.

929
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: Hi Fi is still a big thing. Okay, so there

930
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: are many people. And this now gets into the tube question.

931
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: Who believe all these amplifiers have a different sound. What

932
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: do you think about the sound of the amplifier and

933
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: what do you think about tubes? So I'm in the

934
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: solid state camp now tube camp. I still review tube gear.

935
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: I like some of the sound of that. I think

936
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 1: mixing and matching is a good way to go. So,

937
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: like I was saying, a lot of the noyment microphones

938
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: that are in the study videos today, a lot of

939
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: them use two pre EMPs. Pre EMPs two pre EMPs

940
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: have more distort, more harmonic distortion, but there's something about

941
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: them that makes them sound more musical. And so you

942
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: could have a solid state amplifier and a solid state preamp,

943
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: and maybe you want to bring a tube phono preamp

944
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: in there just to warm things up a little bit,

945
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: depending upon It's like cooking a meal. You know, you

946
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: make a make a meal, and the first time you

947
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: cook it it maybe it comes out a little bit

948
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: too dry, or it comes out a little bit too

949
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: hot or a little bit too a stringent. So you

950
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: change the balance of the ingredients. So as you assemble

951
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: a system and you listen to it, you can make

952
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: changes over time. If you want a little warmer, you

953
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: can add a tube preamp. If you want your speakers

954
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 1: to be fuller sounding, you can add a tube vamp.

955
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: And I don't get into a fight with people over

956
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: what they what they like. Whatever you like in hi

957
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: fi is fine. That that's the best part about it.

958
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: You got to a hi Fi show, every room is

959
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna sound different. So if you want a warm sound,

960
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: you can get with tubes. If you want something that's

961
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: a little more punchy, go with solid state. Whatever you like. Okay,

962
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: now let's go to speakers. You know on the low end.

963
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: What are you getting? And one are the brand names there?

964
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: There are some great inexpensive speakers now uh KIF and

965
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: eLAC and clips, and there's a whole bunch of companies

966
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: making small, little two way speakers for under under eights

967
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: that sound incredibly good. I reviewed a pair of Lex

968
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: and those are designed by a guy named Andrew Jones,

969
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: who I think is a speaker designing genius. He used

970
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 1: to design very expensive studio monitors for a company called

971
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: T A D in Japan that were seventy dollars, and

972
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: he went the other way, said I'm going to design

973
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: inexpensive speakers that are engineered correctly. So I reviewed these

974
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: b fives that were three nine a pair, and I wrote,

975
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: these speakers are not good for the money, They're just good.

976
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: And that's what my fifteen year old reviewer uses a

977
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: pair of eLAC B five's, and if you set them

978
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: up correctly and take into account in the room acoustics,

979
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: you don't get a lot of bottom in, but everything

980
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: else that's there in terms of three dimensionality and transient

981
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: response and just the presentation of the timberl balance, it's

982
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: quite good for five bucks a pair. Okay, uh, going

983
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: back to that era, which is now crazy, there's the

984
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: two way, there's the three way, there's the base reflex.

985
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: If you want to get a full representation of the music,

986
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: what do you need? Full representation of the music? Full?

987
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: You need a speaker that goes down to twenty hurts

988
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: that gives you the all the base that's possible. So

989
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: you can do that one of two ways. You can

990
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: either have a par of satellite speakers that go down

991
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: to a limited response that say, fifty hurts and then

992
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,959
Speaker 1: add the supwiffer that covers the bottom of the rest

993
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: of the spectrum. Or you can get a big, full

994
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: range speaker that does all of it. And that's going

995
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: to cost your money. You know, base costs money. Good

996
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: base costs money. That's where you put the money in. Okay,

997
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: how much money? Oh? Well, Let's say you could get

998
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: a pretty almost speaker that sounds good for um, fifteen

999
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: thousand a pair. Okay, before we get to fifteen thousand,

1000
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: you talk about elocs of four, Right, what do I

1001
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: get in a thousand or and I'm not getting into

1002
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: the ones of four. You're gonna get a better tweeter,

1003
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: a tweeter that has better or if access response that

1004
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: that sounds smoother over a wide range. You're gonna get

1005
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: a flatter frequency response, I fewer lumps and bumps, and

1006
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: maybe you'll get more power handling so you can play

1007
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: it loud before it starts distorting, which we all like,

1008
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: so you get more of everything. It's like handling on

1009
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: a car. Okay, let's go back. Let's assume you're a

1010
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: rock fan, or even a hip hop fan, which has

1011
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: heavy base. Okay, how much do I have to spend

1012
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: so I can get speakers that will give me all

1013
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: the sound, fill up a living room, and I won't

1014
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: have to worry about clipping. Again, it depends on how

1015
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: big your room is and how loud you play your music.

1016
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: Let's just assume I'm playing it loud. Playing it loud, well,

1017
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: then you can probably want a base reflex speaker that's

1018
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: fairly efficient, so you don't need a lot of power

1019
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: to drive it. Um you could get some some clip

1020
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: shorings which should be nice for that if you like

1021
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: it really allowed and they sound good. Again, there are

1022
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: so many varieties. Okay, but most people, many people are listening.

1023
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: We have people who know everything and people know nothing.

1024
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: So when you say for system, they understand that. But

1025
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: today there are a lot of people. We know twelve

1026
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: hundred maybe better as an entry system than all the

1027
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: systems of your But there are many people who want

1028
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: to invest a little bit more. They don't want to

1029
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: invest five thousand for turntable. They have five thousand dollars

1030
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: for speakers if they want something better than twelve. So

1031
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: there's this company. eLAC is among a few companies that

1032
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: makes floor standing speakers that go pretty low that are

1033
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: under fifteen hundred dollars a pair. There, they go low,

1034
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: they're well designed, they'll play fairly loud, and I think

1035
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a reasonable price point to get nearly

1036
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: full range response and get the SPLs that you want

1037
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: without distortion, and get the broad coverage in a room

1038
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 1: that you want. And I've heard many many good systems

1039
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: based run upon speakers from eLAC and KIF and UH

1040
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: and some of the others, and Monitor and some of

1041
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: the other companies that make floor standing moderately priced speakers.

1042
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: And then you can always add a subword for later

1043
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: if you want to just get that list. Okay, so

1044
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: let's say I'm buying I got fifteen, but I also

1045
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: have I don't want to waste my money if I

1046
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: go from fifteen hundred to twenty five or three. What brands?

1047
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: What am I getting that I don't get with those elocks? Well,

1048
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: all of these brands that I've mentioned UH all have

1049
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: speakers that go up in price from the very bottom,

1050
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: and so the more you spend again, you're gonna get

1051
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: more better base response, smoother treble, UH, a smoother mid range.

1052
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: They'll add a mid range driver. Instead of a two

1053
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: way speaker where the where the lower speaker handles the

1054
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: base and the mid range, you have a three way

1055
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: speaker where there's a separate mid range driver. You get

1056
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: better crossover networks, so the response is smoother from bottom

1057
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: to top. Again, you get more of everything. So what

1058
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: you really want to do when you go shopping for

1059
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: this stuff if you can find a store is start

1060
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: at the best that they got, listen to the best

1061
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: thing in the store, and then go to the price

1062
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: point that you can afford and find the thing that

1063
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: has the performance as close as you can hear to

1064
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: the top. That's the best way to do it. The

1065
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: stupidest thing is to go on and listen to what

1066
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: you can afford because you don't really know what what

1067
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: you're doing. Okay, let's go back to those law speakers.

1068
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: What how much amplification do I need to make sure

1069
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: I get a loud enough sound without clipping or distortion.

1070
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: I think you need least seventy five to watts the channel,

1071
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: regardless of the of the efficiency of the speaker. And

1072
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: that's why it just cheap. Why did it just cheap today?

1073
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: Bob Okay, explain the difference between class A class D

1074
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: and why you need a certain amount of wantage. All right,

1075
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: So a Class A amplifier, and you really want to

1076
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: get into this Class I amplifier is one where it's

1077
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: constant bias all the time on the transistors, and it

1078
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: gets warm, and it's inefficient and it's got a very

1079
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: smooth sound. Class A B is a more typical amplifier.

1080
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: But I don't really think this is relevant for this conversation.

1081
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: What's relevant is do you want a Class A B

1082
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: amplifier and solid state amplifier or do you want a

1083
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: Class D amplifier? And the Class D amplifiers are where

1084
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: you get more power, more of aitiency, smaller size, and

1085
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: more low end umph. So I reviewed a pair of

1086
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: amplifiers from ps Audio in Maide in Colorado. At first

1087
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: class the amplifiers sounded horrible. They're getting much better. These

1088
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: are I think six thousands a pair and they have

1089
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: hundreds of watch there and the bottom end is as

1090
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: good as I've heard from any amplifier at any price.

1091
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: That's how good they are. Am I sacrificing anything by

1092
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: getting Class D instead of the A B, you're sacrificing

1093
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: a finesse in the upper mid range. There's a kind

1094
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: of a in all of these products that I've heard.

1095
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: There's a kind of an upper mid range ringing sound,

1096
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: unpleasant sound to me, which you can work around with

1097
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: the rest of the gear that Jubai. But you're getting

1098
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: a lot for your money at that rate. I mean,

1099
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: that's that's the best value there is that I've heard

1100
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: let's talk about the landscape of audio. Yes, you have

1101
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: younger people who are say is my price point? Okay?

1102
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: Where is most of the action? As you say, it

1103
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: is very hard to find a store. And if you

1104
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: do find a store, generally speaking, they are appealing to

1105
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: the upper edged customer. You know, how are the dollars

1106
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: or the units spread along the spectrum. You know, the

1107
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: foolish store owners are the ones that don't welcome in

1108
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: young people and let them get a taste of the

1109
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: best that there is, because those are your future customers

1110
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: for the for the expensive stuff. And most of the

1111
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: stores that do exist, I go visit and I see

1112
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: what they're what they're doing, and the smart stores have

1113
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, I did a piece for MTV in the

1114
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: early nineties and they we took a woman, a young girl,

1115
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: shopping at the stores of New York City, and you

1116
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: know what they did. They took that this woman and

1117
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: they never let her hear the good stuff. It took

1118
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: her to the front and said, oh, you want a

1119
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: rack system, Oh you want you know, it's the stupidest

1120
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 1: thing you can possibly do, So you want to take

1121
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: them into the back, let me hear the good stuff,

1122
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: and then say how much can you spend? All of

1123
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: these stores have these smaller systems set up, usually in

1124
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: the front of the store, in the entryway or someplace

1125
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: close to the front, not in the big rooms. And

1126
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: if you can't go to a store, you know, all

1127
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: of retail is challenged right now, Bob, And you know

1128
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: that everything is challenged with Amazon and everything. You can

1129
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: buy a good stereo on Amazon and you can trade

1130
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: it in, or you can go to crutch Field, or

1131
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: you can go to Music direct or you can go

1132
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 1: to Elusive disc or Acoustic Sounds. All these websites will

1133
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: sell you something and then if you're not happy, you

1134
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: can return it. And they have people on staff who

1135
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: will talk to you and try to walk you through

1136
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: and do what we're doing now in a less good

1137
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: way because I'm not a retailer really good at retailing.

1138
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: But they'll do that. They'll they'll they'll give you the

1139
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: service and help you find a system that works well together. Okay,

1140
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna mention certain brand names. I want

1141
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: your take. In the old days, Macintosh was a standard.

1142
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: Even the grateful dead use them. Where's Macintosh today? They're

1143
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: still in being in New York and uh. They are

1144
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: still making two amplifiers and solid state amplifiers. They make

1145
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot of really good things. They make some things

1146
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm not such a big fan of, but they have

1147
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: They're still around, and they still do it the way

1148
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: they always did it, and they're big all over there.

1149
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 1: They are a brand ambassador for high fire around the world.

1150
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: And some of their great stuff is still great. What

1151
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: is what is there? What is there? Great stuff? The

1152
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: big m C two seventy five, which is their classic amplifier.

1153
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a good list giver, and I

1154
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: certainly you know, wasn't okay that I don't even we

1155
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: don't need to go that deep. Bows I have, I

1156
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: have big problems Bose. First of all, Bows tried to

1157
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: get me thrown off a w B C n in

1158
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: in the nineties seventies. They tried to get me thrown off.

1159
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: They I'll tell you that your Bows to me is

1160
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: a litigating company that happens to make some sound products

1161
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: on the side. They the original speaker that they made

1162
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: the Bows nine O one was a terrible speaker in

1163
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: my opinion, just an awful speaker. And that's what I

1164
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: went on the radio and talked about because I went

1165
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: to Tech Hi Fi and they were selling the nine

1166
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: oh ones. I wanted to hear them. And you know,

1167
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: Dr Bowse said, he's he's a he's a professor of

1168
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: acoustics and he invented this speaker that bounces sound off

1169
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: the back wall on a ratio of eight to one,

1170
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: because that's what he heard at Boston Symphony Hall. But

1171
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: what does that have to do with any records? You

1172
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: play nothing, and I want to hear them. And when

1173
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: I went there, there was a salesman had a little

1174
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: sticker on his on his lapel, had said, asked me

1175
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: about Bows. And I had never seen anything like that,

1176
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: because Hi Fi in those days was a gentleman's game.

1177
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: There was There was Edgar Wilture from Acoustic Research, Henry

1178
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: Close from from kl H, and these guys were not

1179
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: mercantile based guys. They were like inventors and and idealists.

1180
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: I said, why do you why do you have a

1181
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: bows sign on your lapel? There are you're pushing one brand?

1182
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: He goes, well, if I sell enough nine oh ones,

1183
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: I get a free trip to Hawaii. And I went

1184
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: on the radio and talked about that, and they tried

1185
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: to get me thrown off, but they didn't get me

1186
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: thrown off. But you know, Bows to Me is a

1187
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: company that is a brilliant marketing company. You'll see there

1188
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: their microphones all over the NFL, all over television. I

1189
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: don't think their products sound very good. I think I

1190
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: refute for The New York Times Cambridge sound Works, Bows

1191
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: and an esoteric brand of computer speaker. That was the assignment.

1192
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: And they said to me, pick one expensive esoteric computer speaker,

1193
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: which was an eminent technology of planar magnetic pick an

1194
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: inexpensive one on under a couple hunderd alls. I picked

1195
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: the Cambridge sound Works, which was Henry Closes company, and

1196
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: they made me do the Bow's acousta mass and I

1197
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: cut them some slack because I didn't, you know, it

1198
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: was a mainstream publication. I tried to say as many

1199
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: good things about it as they could. But they're speaker

1200
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: protection device, and their speaker is a light bulb in

1201
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: series with the output that that saves the money, so

1202
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: all the energy goes into the light bulb so it

1203
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: can never blow up the speaker. Because when too much

1204
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: energy goes into bulb glows, it's ridiculous. Anyway, I wrote

1205
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: the review, and I tried to be I didn't mention

1206
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: that I tried to be a younger. I said, it's

1207
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: not too bad, but the Cambridge sound Works was half

1208
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: the price and twice as good. But I didn't say that. Nonetheless,

1209
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: I never wrote for The New York Times again, even

1210
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: though they told me it was very good copy. And

1211
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: I'll have more work. Okay, if I'm buying computer speakers,

1212
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: what's the price point that I need to pay and

1213
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: what's the equipment to get adequate sound. I have a

1214
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: pair of the of speakers called by a company called

1215
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,479
Speaker 1: Van two V A N A T O O. They're

1216
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: self powered, they're really good for the money, and they're

1217
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: under firefront at allars. But A Z Fox makes some good,

1218
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: good computer speakers. I don't consider myself to be a

1219
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: computer speak expert, so I can really give you much

1220
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: information on that. But you can get great little speakers

1221
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: and put them next to your computer and get good

1222
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: sound powered speakers. Okay, let's go back to the brand names.

1223
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: H J B L. You know, back in the day,

1224
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: we you know what J B L stod for. Back

1225
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: in the day, it's stood for junk. But but they

1226
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: make great speakers. Obviously, that's that's the West Coast, you know.

1227
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: Jb L was the West Coast Sound and Acoustic Research,

1228
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: and kh for the East Coast Sound and j b

1229
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: L and Harmon they still make great speakers. They've got

1230
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: a retro speaker that looked like the old Orange Cube speakers.

1231
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: They're really good. Those are great speakers. So that's a

1232
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: good company still making good stuff. Harmon makes. Let's say

1233
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm going vintage Henry Klaus went from company to Acoustic

1234
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: Research to kl H to Advent to Cambridge Sound Works.

1235
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: If I'm laying my money down, which are those products?

1236
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: Do I want? Get a pair of Advent one hundreds

1237
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: that are where the foam is still good? Uh, And

1238
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: you can get him on eBay or wherever. Those are

1239
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: great speakers by any definition, at any time. And I

1240
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: think the same is true of of original A R

1241
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: speakers if you can get them where the foam hasn't gone.

1242
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: And the same with Boston Acoustics. That's another company that's

1243
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: still in business making great speakers that are not that expenses.

1244
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: And Polk makes the genius of Matthew Polk. They still

1245
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: make some good speakers, Okay, Now, there were companies and

1246
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: technologies that seemed to have fallen by the wayside. Doll

1247
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: Quist and Lick should be electrostatic, what's up with that.

1248
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: Doll Quist made great speakers in the day, and those

1249
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: were not electrostatic speakers. Those are like flat kind of speakers,

1250
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: but they were an electrostatic They went out of business. Uh,

1251
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: there are companies making electrostatic speakers now and and good ones.

1252
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: If if you like that sound, um, it's not my thing.

1253
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: But Martin Logan still in business making electrostatic speakers. And

1254
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: the problem with electrostatic speakers is that the mid and

1255
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: high frequencies sound phenomenal, but then you have to chip

1256
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: with a whoofer that's gonna be a big cone and

1257
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be slower than the rest of the speakers

1258
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: that they have to finesse that in. And the big

1259
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: ones they make sound pretty good. But it's not my sound.

1260
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: What I like doesn't I always tell people, But what

1261
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: I like doesn't matter. What My job is just to

1262
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: tell you what something sounds like. And that may be

1263
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 1: your sound and not my sound, So you know it

1264
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me. Okay, Now, if all the stereo

1265
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: magazines that our mainstream merged into one sound Envision. We'll

1266
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: see how long that last. But you cannot open the

1267
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: magazine without seeing an ad for Golden Air. What's up

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01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: with Golden Air? Right? So, Golden Air is is a

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01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: company that was owned by a fellow named Sandy Gross,

1270
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: who I know very well, who's a very serious audiophile

1271
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: and loves music and he's an art collector too, and

1272
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: he he was involved with um with Polk from any

1273
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: years and then he started Golden Year. And Golden Year

1274
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: is a high value, high quality, relatively inexpensive brand of speakers. So, uh,

1275
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: if you can hear Golden Ear speakers, by all means,

1276
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: listen to them. It's it's a serious brand that makes

1277
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: good products overseas well designed and they sound good. I

1278
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: have only good things to say, but not because I

1279
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: know Sandy Gross, but because it's good. Where does that

1280
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: leave us in terms of speakers? Well, I just finished

1281
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: reviewing a pair of Wilson x v X speakers that

1282
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: sell for three dollars a pair, and you know, Bob,

1283
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: I bought them, And you could say, where do I

1284
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 1: get the money for that? Okay, So you know I

1285
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: was I was an expert witness in the trial of

1286
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones versus the state of Michael Jackson. And if

1287
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: I got fass, which side were you on? I was

1288
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,799
Speaker 1: on Quincy side. And uh, I was really well paid

1289
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: for that. And and that's the whole story. I don't

1290
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: know if you have to have time for that story,

1291
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: but I put that money away and in the meantime,

1292
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: I've been buying and upgrading my system. So my last

1293
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: speakers were Wilson Alexis, which sells for selling about a

1294
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: hundred and five and I get an industry discount. And

1295
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: if anybody has a problem with that, too bad. I

1296
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: work in the business and I think I'm entitled to

1297
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: get the same price that a dealer gets. But that's all.

1298
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't think anything for free. I don't get free bees,

1299
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: I don't get stuff given to me. And over time,

1300
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 1: I keep investing. And yeah, I had the money to

1301
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: get these speakers at the dealer cost minus the trade

1302
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: in for the speakers I had. And yes, it's taking

1303
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: a chunk out of my my out of my retirement account,

1304
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: but you know what, I can look at my bank

1305
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: account and hear nothing. These speakers are so incredible. I'm

1306
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: up every night to two in the morning. I do

1307
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: this for a living and I'm up every two in

1308
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: the morning and listening to this these records I thought

1309
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: I knew and like, do you know there's an eighth

1310
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,879
Speaker 1: note handclap on the birds? Mr tambourine man in the background.

1311
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: I've never heard it before. All of a sudden, put

1312
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: Mr Tamboin on here an eighth note. Now that's not

1313
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: important musically, but there it was. And uh so, yeah,

1314
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: if you if you can spend a couple under thousand

1315
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 1: dollars on my pair of speakers, there's lots of good brands,

1316
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: lunch Reiker, Magico, Um Endless Numbers are well designed speakers

1317
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: that give you everything. And if you've got the money,

1318
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: you should take a chance and do it. And I

1319
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: talked I go around the world to meet these people,

1320
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: and they're well, I've been to the Philippines, I've been Japan.

1321
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: I've been all over the world listening to people's stereos

1322
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: and they love their music and they love their stereos

1323
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,560
Speaker 1: and it's the great pleasure they get in life. And

1324
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: then close recording engineers too. So okay, when you look

1325
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: at these Wilson's, they're very expensive, but they look like

1326
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: items for children. They have a plastic surfaces. Can you

1327
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: explain what makes a Wilson so great? Okay, so it's

1328
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: not it's not plastic, it's automotive paint finishes. So it's

1329
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: very well finished. So Dave Wilson, who passed away a

1330
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, his his whole idea was that

1331
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,759
Speaker 1: he you know, sound reaches you at different points in time,

1332
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: and we are very sensitive to when sound gets to us.

1333
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: That's one of the issues with digital that was bad

1334
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,799
Speaker 1: at first. So we're very sensitive where things are in space.

1335
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: That's how we survived. You gotta know where that tiger

1336
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: is if is it behind here, in front of you,

1337
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,839
Speaker 1: to the sides of you? Uh he His his position

1338
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: was that the transgance coming off of various drivers, the

1339
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: transgiance should reach your ear at the same time, which

1340
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: is different than phase response, is transient response. And so

1341
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: the bigger Wilson speakers have the driver's in separate boxes

1342
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: aligned in time so that the transgiance from each speaker

1343
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: reaches your ears at the same time, and that's moves

1344
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: out the frequency response as well as producing this sense

1345
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: of overall coherence. The cabinet has to be totally inert.

1346
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: The more that a cabinet vibrates when you put low

1347
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: frequencies into a cabinet, and it's vibrates that produces boom

1348
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: and boomy base. And that's that's the worst of all worlds.

1349
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: So these speakers are inert, essentially inert. They made out

1350
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: of this this phenomic and other kinds of material that's

1351
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: very inert, and then they're stacked up in this device

1352
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: that allows you to adjust each of the drivers, the

1353
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: mid range, the midrange, and the tweeter in three dimensional space,

1354
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: both forward and back and um rake angle towards you.

1355
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: And it's all mathematically aligned and delne you sit down

1356
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: and no one who sat down and heard these My

1357
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: wife sat down and said to me, you have to

1358
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 1: have these? What does that happen? It never happens, but

1359
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: it happened. Okay, they send someone from the company to

1360
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: adjust them. Correct. If you buy a pair of speakers

1361
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: for three and thirty thousand dollars, they better send somebody

1362
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: from the company to set them up because you can't

1363
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: do it yourself, and they do. That's part of what

1364
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: you get when you when you buy a speaker for

1365
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: that kind of money. Okay. You also talked about trading.

1366
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: That's a big thing amongst high audio. Uh purchaser's high

1367
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: end plenty of it. You know, what kind of return

1368
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: on a dollar does one get in a trade in.

1369
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: It's very similar to cars you's driving at the lot.

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01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: It's worth half of what you paid. You don't buy

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01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: hi fi as an instrument of investment. You buy it

1372
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: for the listening pleasure and um so, yeah, you're not

1373
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: buying it for its investment value. But if you buy

1374
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: the right stuff, it'll still have hold its value pretty well.

1375
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: So a company like Wilson has a has a division

1376
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: now that does what BMW and Mercedes do with used cars.

1377
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: You know, they both have programs where you trade your

1378
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: car and they send it back, they refurbish it and

1379
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: they say it's it's like new now and you get

1380
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: a aren't with it. They do that and they can't

1381
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: get enough of their old speakers back to do that

1382
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: to everyone that they get back and refurbished gets sold

1383
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: immediately because there's a market for it. So if you

1384
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: buy a good brand, and a brand that's gonna be

1385
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: in business in twenty years that's been in business for

1386
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: a long time, like McIntosh or even Morants, which is

1387
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, traded hands numerous times. If it's a company

1388
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: that's been in business a long time, UM, it will

1389
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: if the product is good to begin with, and the

1390
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: company services what it sells, Like like Audio Research that

1391
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: the company in Minneapolis that makes tube gear, they've got

1392
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: stock of every product they've ever made. If you need

1393
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: a knob for an sp one, they got it. If

1394
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: you need a capacitor that's no longer made, they've got it.

1395
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: So before you buy any of this stuff, you should

1396
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: know whether it's a company that's been around and it's

1397
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: going to continue to be around, and whether you can

1398
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 1: still get service for what you're buying. Okay, in audio,

1399
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: there tends to be one genius. Sometimes their name is

1400
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: on the product. So if Dave Wilson died, is what

1401
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: is keeping the innovation and quality uh moving forward? That's

1402
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: such a great question, and it's always an issue because

1403
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 1: you go to a high fi show and there's one

1404
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: man who started the company whose name is on the product.

1405
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: When the guy dies, So the guy is at a

1406
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: high F show, he shows it to you, and after

1407
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: a couple of years he passes away and the company

1408
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: gets sold the next year, you go back and there's

1409
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: twenty guys in suits walking around and they have no

1410
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: idea what they're doing. They don't know any think about music.

1411
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: They know what they bought the company because it had

1412
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: a name. In the case of um Wilson, Dave passed away,

1413
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: but his son, Darryl, turns out is at least as

1414
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: good a designer as Dave, if not better as it

1415
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: turned out, and he's designing the products now, and their

1416
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: line of products is stronger than it's been in in years.

1417
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: And so you can buy a pair of Sabrina's for

1418
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand. Now. Rick Rubin did not like Wilson speakers forever.

1419
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: He he didn't like them. We go to high fight

1420
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: shows together and he sit there and he wouldn't like them.

1421
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: But the Sabrina came out and he actually bought them

1422
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: because he really liked them. So the bottom of their

1423
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: line at about seventeen dollars, and that's a lot of money.

1424
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to, you know, say it's not a

1425
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: lot of money. But what you get for the money

1426
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: is a speaker that goes down down low and has

1427
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: really good base and goes up the ladder smoothly, and

1428
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: it's a great speaker. And if you were a pair

1429
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: of those, you'd like them. Okay. What's the markup in

1430
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,959
Speaker 1: high end stereo. It's usually forty points or fifty points.

1431
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 1: It's high. Okay. So a company like Wilson, you know

1432
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: there'll be people at home saying if I sold one

1433
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: pair of three thousand dollar speakers, I don't have to

1434
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: work the rest of the year, if not longer. How

1435
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: many units can these companies sell. That's an interesting question,

1436
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: more than you might think. For example, the speakers I

1437
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: got the x v x is I got to review

1438
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: because of COVID. They were met, they were built and

1439
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: then built in the over the over last summer, and

1440
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: then they sat at the factory and uh, they couldn't

1441
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: be delivered to me until the fall. And they were

1442
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: serial number seventy nine and eighty. But their way into

1443
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: into the hundreds and hundreds. Now they've sold hundreds of

1444
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: pairs of the speakers. Hundreds. It's a bigger market than

1445
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: you think, and and uh, and it's growing, especially with

1446
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: the pandemic. What happened to our industry over this past year.

1447
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: I started getting in Boks clogs with people saying I

1448
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: want to upgrade my speakers. I want to upgrade my

1449
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: turn table. I got nothing to do but sit around

1450
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 1: and listen to music. I wanted to sound better than

1451
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: I got. What can I do? So okay? So you

1452
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: personally in the system, you want what are you using

1453
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: for amplification and reproduction at the turn table? Land? Okay?

1454
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: So uh. The amplifiers I owned are called dart Zeals.

1455
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: They're made in Switzerland and their solid state and they're

1456
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: very beautiful and they're very good. Um the pre amplifier

1457
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: has a dart Zeal pre amplifier, which is battery powered

1458
01:18:56,360 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: and it sounds very good. And the phono priump I

1459
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,879
Speaker 1: have have to phono priumps. One is called c H Precision.

1460
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: It's also made in Switzerland, and it's a current amplifier.

1461
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: It amplifies the current that that a low up moving

1462
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: coral cartridge puts out and that I don't want to

1463
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: talk about prices because it's it's all ridiculously costly. Um well,

1464
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned the price of the speakers. You gotta mention

1465
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: the prices of this other stuff. You're killing me. You're

1466
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: gonna kill me. I'm gonna hate mail, you know, there's

1467
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: a there's a video on the STERIFI did a video

1468
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: of my room a couple of years ago and the

1469
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: prices as I went through the room, and I said,

1470
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: I I own this. Because people think that audio reviews

1471
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: are on the take and they get the stuff or nothing.

1472
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: I bought everything in my system. And then the anti

1473
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: semitism starts on there. You would not believe the things

1474
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 1: that are on on the other that I have to

1475
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: respond to. But or they say I look like Jerry Springer,

1476
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: or oh Jerry Spinker as a stereo, or oh Lou

1477
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 1: Reed has it's it's pretty ugly, but um, okay. The

1478
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: amplifiers are about a hundred and seventy K a pair,

1479
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: and the pre ampts, so you're saying, yeah, because you

1480
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: have one reach channel, Yeah, pair up mono blocks. The

1481
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: c H precision phono preamp is another fifty thousand. Uh.

1482
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: Then I have another one called yip Salon, which has

1483
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: made in grease, which has got tubes in it. It's

1484
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: got military grade tubes in it at last, almost forever.

1485
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: And that's probably another fift K. And this is stuff

1486
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: I have acquiet over thirty years of doing this job

1487
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: and putting all my all my spare money into this

1488
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: because I love this. This is all I do. It's

1489
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, I drive the same car I've driven for

1490
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: the last twelve years, which I love, but I don't

1491
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: have a new car, and this is where my money

1492
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: goes into into my high fight and into records. So

1493
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: and if I sound defensive, it's because the amount of

1494
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: guff I get online from people. Where does your money

1495
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: come from? Well, you know, okay, inherited some money. It's

1496
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: not of your business. Um. The turntable I had was

1497
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: to Continuum CALIBERN which sold for a hundred and fifty K.

1498
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: And now I'm going to get a new turntable. I'm

1499
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: not sure of what I'm going to get at, but

1500
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: I have a couple of them that I'm considering, but

1501
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: not the half million dollar one. That's too much for me.

1502
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: The arm I have started at thirty thou dollars. And

1503
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, I have a lot of people around the

1504
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: world that depend upon me for my advice and what

1505
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:22,520
Speaker 1: I hear, and I take my job very seriously. And um,

1506
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: I got this arm sent to me by this designer

1507
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: in Sweden who has graduate degrees in material science and

1508
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 1: mechanical engineering, and his other work was working on the

1509
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: Ariana rocket project for the European Union, and UM he

1510
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:44,919
Speaker 1: was involved in designing parts for Volvo and other car companies.

1511
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: And he set his sights on designing a great tone arm.

1512
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: And it was thirty thou dollars and I got one

1513
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: to review. I stuck it in my system, and the

1514
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: performance was better than anything I'd ever heard by a

1515
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: wide margin. They I've never heard a bottom in like that.

1516
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: I mean, like Donovan Live. There's an uncle Donovan Live,

1517
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: which I've known for years, and it opens up and

1518
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: there's a person playing the viola or a cello in

1519
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: that album. I never heard it. I thought it was

1520
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 1: just a little low frequency noise. And all this other

1521
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: musical revelations happened from listening to this arm, and I

1522
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: made sure I knew I was hearing what I thought

1523
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: I heard, and I reviewed it and said what I heard,

1524
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 1: and he sold seventy of them off that review for

1525
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: thirty thod dollars apiece, and everybody that bought one sent

1526
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: me email saying thank you. I wouldn't have known to

1527
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: buy that. I heard about it, but I wasn't. I

1528
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: wasn't spending thirty thousand dollars and something I didn't know

1529
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 1: you wrote what you wrote. I trust you. I bought it.

1530
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 1: It's what you said it was. And thank you very much.

1531
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 1: You know that's important to me. Yes, And the cartridge,

1532
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: the cartridge. I I have a number of cartridges. I

1533
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 1: have a Lyra Atlas LAMB to s L that's uh,

1534
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: that's about thirteen thousand dollars. I'm very careful with it.

1535
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,799
Speaker 1: I have a orderfon and a D which is about

1536
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: eleven thousand, and I have a an exquisite cartridge from

1537
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: um Switzerland that sells for about that much too. I

1538
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: just I just reviewed that a couple of months ago,

1539
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: and I wrote a great review of it, and people

1540
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: that bought it emailed me and said, you're right, it's

1541
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: just what you said it sounded like, and that's the

1542
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,879
Speaker 1: sound I like, so thank you. And what about headphones.

1543
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: I live in a house and I can play music

1544
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: as loud as I want, and I think headphone listening

1545
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,799
Speaker 1: is you know. And I have a pair of Jerry

1546
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: um what's his name, I can't remember his name, a

1547
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: guy in Florida that makes these headphones for any year.

1548
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: He makes a lot of studio monitors. Uh, I forget

1549
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: his last name. Unfortunately, he's gonna kill me. And those

1550
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: are great. You put him in your ear and they're

1551
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 1: molded to my ear. And so when I travel on

1552
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: an airplane and I do ice do a hundred thousand

1553
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: miles a year, uh, and I hope to do that again,

1554
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: and I put those in my ear with a good

1555
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: I have an Astlin Current player that has high res

1556
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: and and DSD quality files on it, and that sounds

1557
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: fantastic to travel with. Can't beat it. But okay. Then

1558
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: there are many people who say the people at the

1559
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: super high end are more into the equipment than the music.

1560
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 1: What's your take on that? You know, that's like every prejudice,

1561
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 1: every racial prejudice you've ever heard, and it's really awful

1562
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: and it's not true. It is really not true. There

1563
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 1: was a time, I'll admit, there was a time when

1564
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:41,799
Speaker 1: having a big stereo was your you know, fatique, Philip

1565
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: watch or whatever it is. You know, it was your

1566
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 1: status symbol. Uh. And there were people that had that

1567
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: and they weren't that into music as they should have been.

1568
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: But that's gone now because there are other things. You

1569
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: can have a status symbols, and you can actually wear

1570
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: them on your wrist, or you can walk around with them.

1571
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: I travel around the world, Bob, and every home I

1572
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: go into, it's people who love music and that is

1573
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: the passion of their life. And it's true here when

1574
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 1: I go visit people I got. I was in Bulgaria

1575
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: and I visited a lawyer and he has a room

1576
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 1: full of records and tapes and he's got these big

1577
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 1: Wilson speakers that had to be carried up by hand

1578
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: five flights of stairs by piano movers on their backs.

1579
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: And these people are all deady, and it's the most

1580
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: fun to meet people who love music. That's what they love,

1581
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: and they have the means and and they have the

1582
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: wherewithal to have really fine stereos, and they especially in

1583
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: this pandemic, it's been a lifesaver for a lot of

1584
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: people to be able to sit there and turn the

1585
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,879
Speaker 1: lights out and uh. Like people say to me, your stereo.

1586
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: I could have live music and your house for the

1587
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: same kind of money. I said, you get Miles Davis

1588
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 1: to come to your house. I'll be there. But I

1589
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: could put on Miles Davis live at the Black Hook,

1590
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: And it doesn't take much for my say, wow, I'm

1591
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: in the black hook and Miles Davis is right there

1592
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 1: in front of me, and I see his horn and

1593
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: I see it moving around the microphone, and it's as

1594
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 1: thrilling to me now as it was forty years ago. Okay,

1595
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,759
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the music you recently

1596
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: reviewed varying iterations of Aqualung And what is interesting to

1597
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,480
Speaker 1: me is having talked to Steven Wilson, who recently remixed

1598
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: the album and also said the original was uh, master

1599
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: tape was stretched and not representative of the sound. Hey,

1600
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: did you hear the Steven Wilson version and found it inferior?

1601
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: Or was it not on your landscape? And what's going

1602
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: on there? Um? That wasn't on my landscape. And because

1603
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: that record has never been a good sounding record, and

1604
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, after a while you don't want to hear

1605
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: it anymore. I have I have a big problem with

1606
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: all of these reissues at a certain on a certain level,

1607
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: some of them deserved to be reissued, and some of

1608
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: them do we have to hear that again? And that

1609
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:01,759
Speaker 1: one never sounded good. I have an original British chrystalis pressing.

1610
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: I have the original French Pink label Island. I have

1611
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: the American reprise was never good, and I have the one,

1612
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,839
Speaker 1: the recent one done in the box, which is probably

1613
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: as good as the original can sound. And that's it.

1614
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: I haven't heard Stephen Wilson's thin any of that. This

1615
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 1: is one of the rare cases where there's a problem,

1616
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: and Ian Anderson agreed to be interesting to get your

1617
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:26,839
Speaker 1: take on that. What if someone has a high end stereo.

1618
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: What are some of the great records? You know, all

1619
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: these records are And there's so many elements in the

1620
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 1: chain of a record, the recording studio, the matate machine,

1621
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: the master, the reproduction. But I used to always say,

1622
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 1: you know, super Tramp, Crime of the Century, half speed Master.

1623
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: That's that's how I bought my n Camici five eighty

1624
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: two because I was comparing it against some more expensive Iowa.

1625
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: That was the top line MUTI. But I could hear

1626
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: things I couldn't hear reproduced. So what are your go

1627
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: to records? The first one I tell people to buy

1628
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: and is to buy Duke Ellington Masterpieces. It's a mono

1629
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 1: recording from N and it was reissued by Analog Productions

1630
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 1: and I got an original pressing of that. I was

1631
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: at a at a record fair, and you know when

1632
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: there's a guy at the record fair who looks like

1633
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley and he's selling rock and roll on on

1634
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: the top tables, and then there were tables underneath where

1635
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: he puts the junk. That's where I go, because that's

1636
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: the stuff he doesn't know anything about. And that's where

1637
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: I found this Masterpieces and I didn't know what it was.

1638
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: I looked at it and I thought it was gonna

1639
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: be a bunch of seventy eight's that were strung together

1640
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: to make an LP at the beginning of the LP era.

1641
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: And I bought it and I put it on and

1642
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: I hate to use the expression of my jaw dropped

1643
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: because I don't like that. I don't use it, but

1644
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: I almost wet my pants. It was like, what is this?

1645
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 1: And then I read more carefully, and what it was

1646
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: was it was the first one of the first times

1647
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,799
Speaker 1: that Duke Ellington could go into the studio and record

1648
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: to tape and not do a three minute dance single,

1649
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: which is all he could do previously. So he was

1650
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: traveling the world with this incredible orchestra and doing these

1651
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 1: long suites, these twenty minutes suites and people were hearing

1652
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: this incredible music, but there was no way that you

1653
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: could hear it at home because it was three minutes

1654
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: singles on a seventy eight. And they said, Duke, bring

1655
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: the orchestra into the studio. We're gonna record this on

1656
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: a tape at the thirty Street studio and we can

1657
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: now sell your your suits. So they made that record.

1658
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: Was at a time when nobody had a thirty three

1659
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 1: and a third record player. So it came and it went,

1660
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: and that's what I found, and I called it. Chad

1661
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: Cassip at Analog Productions and I said, Chad, you have

1662
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: to reissue this mono record from Duke Gillington. And Chad,

1663
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: who was, you know from New Orleans? He goes, He goes,

1664
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, he is old, regged Duke Gillington mono.

1665
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: I said, Chad, just do it. And he did it

1666
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: and it became the biggest selling record for a while

1667
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: that he ever had, Bigger than T for the Tillerman,

1668
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: which is another one you should get as as a

1669
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: great sounding record to tone and it's an amazing I

1670
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: bring this record, this reissue that he did, which is

1671
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: better than the original much better, and I bring it

1672
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: around the world. I brought it to Japan and played

1673
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: it and in front of a large crowd of people

1674
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: at the end of the mood Indigo, they stood up

1675
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 1: and they applauded as if Duke was right there. It's

1676
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,759
Speaker 1: the most amazing sounding record. So I recommend that first.

1677
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 1: Then uh T for the Tillerman, the Supertramp record. Um

1678
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: if you can find of the original think label Island

1679
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Traffic albums are amazing, the first one, especially Elvis and

1680
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: Roy Orbison records. The originals are absolutely stunning, and I

1681
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 1: can recommend those any of the Blue Notes that are

1682
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: coming out now. You know this Tone Poet series they

1683
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: were doing on Blue Note. The whole catalog was well

1684
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: record well. Rudy Van Gelder recorded those things, and those

1685
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: tapes of Scotch one eleven and Scotch one eleven is

1686
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 1: like bulletproof. It doesn't shed, it doesn't stretch, It's Joseph bulletproof.

1687
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 1: And those records are amazing and they're selling in numbers

1688
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: that just blow the minds of the Universal executives. They

1689
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 1: just had no idea that this could happen, because once

1690
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 1: you hear one and that's classic, you know that's classical

1691
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,799
Speaker 1: music of the of the twenty of the twentieth century

1692
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: is jazz, and those records so those are incredible. Whatever

1693
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: whatever still exists of the Impulse catalog, all the jazz

1694
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: records of the fifties were wonderfully recorded. And if you

1695
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: can buy go on discois and buy used copies, that's great.

1696
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 1: By the reissues, if they're cut from tape, those are great. Um,

1697
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: Chad just reissued Tony Joe White's Black and White. You know, Tony,

1698
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 1: are you familiar with Tony Joe White? Of course, Posy,

1699
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 1: of course, that's that's the one song. But this record

1700
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: that he did, Tony Joe White black and White. Black

1701
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: and White refers to the cover, but it really refers

1702
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 1: to him doing a song about racial harmony at a

1703
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: time when no one was doing songs about racial harmony

1704
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: down South. And it's a wonderful song and it's a

1705
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: beautifully recorded album and it just came out and he's

1706
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: such a natural singer. You feel like you know him

1707
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: and he and the recording is so good. You sit

1708
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: there and it's Tony Jerrowhite sitting in front of you

1709
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: playing these songs. So that's a great one. What else

1710
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: I bring? I brought some other new records here. But

1711
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 1: brether Than talk about particular records, the just categories of records,

1712
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: you know this stuff that. Yeah, So why are records

1713
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: so expensive today? Is it pure markup or is that

1714
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,799
Speaker 1: what it costs? I mean, I remember Tom Petty bitching

1715
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: about the increase of the by universal of the price

1716
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: of his record and all of them the list prices

1717
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: below ten dollars. Now records list price seems to be

1718
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: twenty five or thirty dollars. Okay, So first of all,

1719
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: take out your old copy of Sam Goody's Sunday New

1720
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: York Times supplement and look at the prices in the

1721
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 1: in the sixties, and then extrapolate to what it caught.

1722
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,839
Speaker 1: What that isn't in terms of inflation. And you're talking

1723
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: that's and it's hard for some of us older people

1724
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: to say, what, how can that be? But that's what

1725
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 1: it is. So it is that the actor that I buy,

1726
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: whether it's on Amazon or whatever, that's not an audio

1727
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:17,640
Speaker 1: quality record, is eighteen dollars twenty dollars. Like I just

1728
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:19,839
Speaker 1: got the new Black Puma's record. It was like eighteen

1729
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 1: dollars double record set nicely packaged. So that's that's reasonable

1730
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: in my world. And you know the audio follow records

1731
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: are more costly. But okay, let's go back to the

1732
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 1: other side of Michael Frehmer. What exactly is your job?

1733
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: Where are you talking about all this traveling these reviews.

1734
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: How is it that you make money? What are you providing?

1735
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: Is it something with corporations and magazines or is it

1736
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: one on one? How does it go? Alright? So, so

1737
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm a senior editor at stereofallaw magazine, and I run

1738
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: this website, Cold Analog Planet, and I have a YouTube channel,

1739
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: and I used to publish magazine and I decided not

1740
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:03,719
Speaker 1: that I wanted to make a living, so I stopped

1741
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: doing that. But I actually make a living at this,

1742
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: not that many do make a living at this. And

1743
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason why I do make

1744
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: a living at it is because I think I have

1745
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 1: a good sensibility about what things sound like and I

1746
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: can describe it well. And uh, and so I become

1747
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: valuable to the company, and companies respect me and they

1748
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: run advertising around my column. And you know, I don't

1749
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: pay any attention to that. I really don't. And somehow

1750
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: I've been able to make a living. I made a

1751
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: DVD on how to set up a turn table? Did

1752
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 1: I ever send you a copy of that? Uh? You

1753
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: can send me another one, but I think you did,

1754
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 1: but a long time ago. So I'll tell you what

1755
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: I said to myself, and I started pushing vital in

1756
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:49,599
Speaker 1: the eighties when it was really what are you crazy?

1757
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 1: Is going away? Shut up? I told Universal to keep

1758
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: the pressing plan open, and they wouldn't listen to me.

1759
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: I went to I went to Specialty Records in olif

1760
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, which is the Warner Brothers plan. Went and

1761
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 1: they had this big pressing plant and they had they

1762
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 1: had c D duplication and they were just getting started

1763
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 1: in DVD duplications like early nineties. And the guy who

1764
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: ran the plant set to us, see those press record presses.

1765
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna scrap those that's going away. We're gonna make

1766
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: room for the DVDs. I said, don't do that. Record

1767
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 1: is gonna come back. And it looked at me like

1768
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: I was crazy. Crazy at any rate, I made the DVD.

1769
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 1: I borrowed twenty thousand dollars to make this DVD, and

1770
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: I figured if I sold a couple of thousand copies.

1771
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 1: I maybe i'd make my money back. But I did

1772
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,640
Speaker 1: it not for the money. I did it because I

1773
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: thought you should see how it's done rather than reading

1774
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: about it, because you can't really follow it reading about it.

1775
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 1: So I spoke to a educational DVD how to Company,

1776
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: and I said, what what do I What can I

1777
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,759
Speaker 1: expect to make on? How many copies can I expect

1778
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 1: to sell of an instructional DVD? He said, unless you're

1779
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,839
Speaker 1: Jane Fonda, you can figure on a couple of thousand,

1780
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 1: and the shelf life will be like three or four

1781
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: years for something like that. I see. He said, what's

1782
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 1: the subject. I said, it's how to set up a

1783
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 1: turn table? And he said, well, half that number. So

1784
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: I said, all right, I'm doing this anyway. So I

1785
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: did it and I've sold and in order to make

1786
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 1: my money back, I felt I had to sell it

1787
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: for thirty dollars a disc wholesale fifteen and if I

1788
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: sold three thousand copies, I make my money back and

1789
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 1: make a couple of bucks on it, which I thought

1790
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:22,480
Speaker 1: I was entitled to make. Thank you very much, Capitalist Society.

1791
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,440
Speaker 1: So it's still in print and I've sold like seventeen

1792
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: and a half thousand copies. So do the math. You know,

1793
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: it cost a dollar to press up a DVD, so

1794
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 1: I make like fifteen or sixteen bucks a piece time,

1795
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand. That's where my stereo came from, a lot

1796
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:42,759
Speaker 1: of it. So good for me, okay. And so mostly

1797
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 1: your money comes from reviewing or is there consulting to

1798
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: companies or is there consulting to individuals? I can't do that.

1799
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to do that. I cannot consult. I

1800
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,800
Speaker 1: can't do beta testing for anybody. So you know, I

1801
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,080
Speaker 1: make a nice salary. My wife, she works in I

1802
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: T for back clearing of stock trading. She makes a good,

1803
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 1: good living, and I make a nice living, and the

1804
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: two of us together, you know, I I do not

1805
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: live extravagantly. All my money goes into my stereo and records,

1806
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: and and some nice clothes for when I travel. And

1807
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: when I travel, my expenses sometimes get picked up sometimes,

1808
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,640
Speaker 1: but most of the time the company pays for my

1809
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: travel and I take no I do no consulting. I

1810
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 1: don't get paid anything extra because I'm not a journal

1811
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: I am a journalist, but I know that how The

1812
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 1: New York Times New York Times is like you have

1813
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 1: to wear a hair suit to come listen to stereo.

1814
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 1: I had a writer for The New York Times over

1815
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: here and he said he got records sent to him

1816
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 1: from the electric recording company in in England, but he

1817
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 1: had to send the records back. And if you're work

1818
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: for consumer reports, you can't even sit and have a

1819
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 1: meal with other people. I mean, it's just it's that's

1820
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 1: a level of separate you know journalism that I but

1821
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Fine in my business because it's

1822
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: a small business. I can get taken out for a meal.

1823
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,679
Speaker 1: That's allowed. Now if anybody thinks that I will review

1824
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: something positively in exchange for a meal, it's crazy. I wouldn't.

1825
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 1: My capital is my credibility, and I have credibility because

1826
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:15,759
Speaker 1: I write what I think. I don't give all positive reviews.

1827
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I've given negative reviews. I'm not afraid of giving a

1828
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: really negative review and then walking into a hi fi

1829
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: show and having someone screaming yell at me. That's okay,

1830
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't mind, And that's where my credibility comes from.

1831
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: And so I get well paid and my DVDs still

1832
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 1: make money for me and whatever, So I do, Okay,

1833
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 1: sounds great. I know that as much as we've talked

1834
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 1: on some level, we've only scratched the surface. Don't you scratch.

1835
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 1: But for those people who are new to frem Her,

1836
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: you can go to his site, Analog Planet, and you

1837
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,719
Speaker 1: can go down the rabbit hole. As you can tell,

1838
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 1: he's a verbal guy with opinions. You can get caught

1839
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:56,719
Speaker 1: up in his word text to your benefit. Michael, thanks

1840
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 1: so much for doing this. Thank you so much for

1841
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 1: having me about I love reading your newsletter. It's on.

1842
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: It's one of my highlights of my days when it

1843
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: shows up. Whether I agree with you or not on everything,

1844
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 1: but I agree with you more than you think, and

1845
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 1: you're a treasure to yourself. Wow. Thanks so much, Michael.

1846
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 1: Until next time, this is the Bob Left Sex Podcast