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Speaker 1: I just love that I can hit any shot I

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pink proven Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane

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Speaker 1: Bacon in red is Marty Jerks and if you're watching,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're just listen. If you're listening, you have absolutely

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Speaker 1: no idea what we're wearing, no clue. That's true. We

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Speaker 1: could be wearing Halloween costumes, we could be wearing New

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Speaker 1: Year's Day costumes, or it could be on our ping

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Speaker 1: stuff like we are. We got a pretty exciting guest today, Marty. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Jacob Clark is with us. He's kind of become the

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Speaker 1: wedge guru at ping.

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Speaker 3: Is that fair to say? Yeah, I guess by default.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what else you call me.

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Speaker 1: When did you get into wedges? When did wedges become

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. So I started paying actually

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Speaker 3: as an intern under Marty in twenty twelve, so it

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Speaker 3: was the summer intern in twenty twelve. In twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 3: start a full time after I graduated in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 3: and my first project was Glide two point zero.

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Speaker 1: Okays, Like growing up, I was always.

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Speaker 3: my first project to do the ping Glide to Wedge lineup,

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Speaker 3: And basically since then, I've kind of carved out a

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Speaker 3: little niche in that space. It's cool within our design team,

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Speaker 1: Can you evaluate Marty's boss just the goods and the

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Like what is this like YELP review going to be

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Speaker 3: We go a five stars? Right, my professor, are you

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Speaker 3: gonna Oh? Absolutely? I think what's cool about Marty is

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Speaker 3: you just be like, hey, Marty, go tell me what

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Speaker 1: Well. I mean, Marty, you've talked a lot about that.

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Speaker 1: Marty, something you've told me is rarely do you have

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Speaker 2: So be wide but low angle correct exactly. That's kind

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, Marty, this is a lot of information.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awesome. This app we made, Shane is to

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Speaker 2: So we tried to solve that. So you answer a

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Speaker 1: Marty. Gapping is something we've talked a lot about on

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Speaker 2: we can actually go out and say, okay, eighteen handicappers,

439
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,480
Speaker 2: twelve handicappers, scratch golfers, what is their kind of probability

440
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,639
Speaker 2: distribution of where they hitting a lot of shots on

441
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 2: the course in the peak for everybody starts around that

442
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 2: one twenty range and peaks out around one forty five.

443
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,239
Speaker 2: Then it starts a level out around one sixty one

444
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 2: sixty five. So the answer to your question is yes,

445
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,120
Speaker 2: pitching wedge nine iron gap wedge is where you want

446
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 2: to make sure you don't have an enormous game gap

447
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 2: because you're gonna have a lot of those shots and

448
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 2: they're very important for scoring. That's that range where you

449
00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,959
Speaker 2: can stuff it in there and make a birdy one

450
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Speaker 2: in a while.

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think kind of speaking to that gapping and

452
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 3: working with tour players, especially like in that transition from

453
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 3: their iron set into their wedges. I remember very clearly

454
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,919
Speaker 3: working with the player a couple of years ago, and

455
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 3: it's Wednesday morning before the tournament starts, and just getting

456
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 3: numbers confirmed on track man before we get going, and

457
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 3: going through pitching wedge. Pitching wedge is going let's say

458
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 3: one forty two, the fifty degree is going one twenty nine,

459
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 3: and then the fifty four degree is going like one

460
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 3: to twelve, and they're like, this isn't acceptable. So it's

461
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 3: down to the level of like, okay, we need to

462
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 3: bend this a half degree strong. So we can get

463
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 3: another two yards out of it. So those players on

464
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 3: a week to week basis that are playing for their livelihood,

465
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 3: they understand how important it is, especially in that section

466
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 3: of their set, to have that high level of precision,

467
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 3: because a lot of them kind of work off the

468
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 3: systems of Okay, I know, my full goes this number

469
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 3: for this club, and then they have a three quarter

470
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 3: and a half shot or whatever percentage of and they

471
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: have those numbers exactly dialed, and they have a system

472
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 3: formulated to where they have every yardage covered from let's

473
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 3: say sixty five to one hundred and thirty five yards.

474
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 3: So just seeing that that level of precision that they require,

475
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 3: I think it highlights the importance of the gapping app,

476
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: especially kind of how it's linked in with the new

477
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: Fine My Grind wedge app and our recommendations when you

478
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 3: get into that portion of the set. And we've also

479
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 3: added a new wedge in that space too, So typically

480
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 3: we'd go from a forty six to a fifty degree,

481
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 3: but based on the demands of some of our consumers

482
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 3: and how iron sets have changed over time, we decided

483
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 3: to add a forty eight degree, so that could be

484
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 3: a new gap weedge for somebody. I mean, I remember

485
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 3: growing up, everybody's gap wedge was a fifty two degree.

486
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 3: You always went fifty two to fifty six sixty. And

487
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 3: that's even probably new school for a lot of people listening.

488
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,719
Speaker 3: But then, like when I started at Ping, it was

489
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 3: everybody was fifty to fifty four to fifty eight, Like

490
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 3: it's everything's moved that way. So I think kind of

491
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 3: the new wave is kind of here where in order

492
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: for somebody to properly gap into their iron set, a

493
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: forty eight degree option might be the best one for them.

494
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Speaker 1: Do most tour players play four wedges? And when I

495
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 1: say four wedges, I'm saying kind of not the wedge

496
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: out of their set, but four actual wedges wedges. Yeah,

497
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: there's a pretty good mix where you have I don't

498
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: know the percentages off the top of my head, I

499
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: can definitely think of a handful of guys that would

500
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: play that specialty forty six degree wedge that we have

501
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: right now, because because Marty you play, you play the blueprint.

502
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: Wedge, right yeah.

503
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I find it so interesting that there are

504
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: there's such kind of a I don't want to say debate, yeah,

505
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: but I mean it's really what you prefer. I remember

506
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: the first time I put a pitching wedge in the

507
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: bag that was like from the wedge set and not

508
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: from the I guess iron set if you will, it was.

509
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: It was life changing for me because I felt like

510
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: I could do a lot more with it around the

511
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: greens than I could previously.

512
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, when we talked to Joaquin, I think he

513
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,479
Speaker 2: was the same way as like, oh, when I hit

514
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: my wedge, I just wanted to be like, have the

515
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: psychology of his Yeah, totally didn't like your specialty, Jacob.

516
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: Let's talk about about some of our tour players and

517
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: some of the new grinds. Who's been a good matchup.

518
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you've worked hands on with a lot of

519
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: our players, doing a lot of testing, evaluation on course

520
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: at facilities, at PG tour events, and a couple of

521
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: the new grinds, the B and the H grind are

522
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: kind of catered towards a few spots in terms of

523
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: performance we are missing there. So can you give a

524
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 2: few examples there?

525
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think looking at when we just added the

526
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: new Grinds to the line, definitely trying to just solve

527
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: a problem that we have, whether it's out on the

528
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 3: truck of it. We want to be able to pull

529
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 3: a wedge straight out of the drawer and it be

530
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: built for the player. Most of them have some slight

531
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 3: refinements to theirs, but we want to have great starting points,

532
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: so by adding the h grind in particular, one of

533
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: the areas that we saw a lot of opportunity was

534
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: for the player that might play in kind of softer

535
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: or even more grain year turf. So think of a

536
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 3: guys at play in Florida Sea Island, et cetera. They

537
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: were kind of struggling where they're like, Oh, I really

538
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: like to have this tea grind and open up the face,

539
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: but then I get into these heavy Florida bunkers and

540
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 3: it's hard to get enough speed on it.

541
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: So we would we were.

542
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: Doing the half Moon grinds pretty frequently for these players,

543
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 3: and the more and more we've tested the H grind,

544
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 3: I worked with players at Quayle Hollow earlier this year

545
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: to do some testing get initial feedback. That was like

546
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 3: the first immediate bit that jumped out. I remember was

547
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 3: working with Tyrrell Hatton and we had hit some little

548
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 3: chips around the grains, got some good feedback and for him,

549
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: like bunker shots are really important with his lob wedge,

550
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: and we get in the bunker and he gets in there,

551
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 3: hit opens it up. He's getting settled in, hits this

552
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 3: perfect thump one hot and.

553
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: He turns around. He goes, we've got it. There you go,

554
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: and so it takes one.

555
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, so that one is almost there. Just to

556
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: soft a problem. Like I said of softer sand players

557
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: want to open the face. He still manipulates face a

558
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: lot around the green, so that versatility allows him to

559
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: do that. And I think the bee Grind's gonna work

560
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: really well with a lot of our LPGA tour staff.

561
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 3: So one of the most common things that we do

562
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: out there is taking their iron sets and taking a

563
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: little bounce off the soul. It helps them get into

564
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: the turf a little bit more so they can generate

565
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 3: more height. And we see a lot of similar things

566
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 3: that they do in their wedge shut up because their

567
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 3: techniques are usually pretty shallow, a little more neutral in

568
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: their delivery. So with that new bee grind, they're gonna

569
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 3: be able to hit a lot of their shots around

570
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: the green, generate more height and spin, and get that

571
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: nice feedback off the turf and they still have that

572
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 3: forgiveness through the width of the soul, where in the

573
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 3: past they might have struggled to find a great option

574
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: for them. So excited to take that out to them

575
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: here in the next couple weeks.

576
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Speaker 1: How about Sawhith because I know he's kind of got

577
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: free can I don't want to say all the shots,

578
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: but probably has all the shots. Oh, it's unbelievable.

579
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: Working with him is so much fun because one, he's

580
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 3: a guy that in practice he will try these absolutely

581
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 3: absurd shots, but you look and you go watch him

582
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: play a tournament and it's like, oh my gosh, he's

583
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: pulling these shots off in the tournament. I remember working

584
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: with him earlier this year out of Bayhill and earlier

585
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: at the Phoenix Open too, and just watching the variety

586
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: of shots that he hits where he's got the face

587
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: like pointing backwards by set up, swinging ten degrees left,

588
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: and it's all over the place, hitting these just crazy

589
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: high spinners, low hookers. He'll flip it over, hit it

590
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: cross handed, so much variety. And I remember watching him

591
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: at Players and I can't is it eight, that's the

592
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: par five, nine, the par five and he was on

593
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 3: one of those big mounds short right of the green brutal.

594
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody gets that up and down.

595
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the pen was like front left

596
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: and he's on this down slope and I'm still like

597
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: sitting there watching on the TV and I'm like, oh

598
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: my gosh, what's he gonna do? And he's leaning with

599
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: the slope and he takes this quick at it and

600
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: like snaps it back up like a whip. It takes

601
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: one bounce and just skids right next to the pen.

602
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: I was like, only this guy can pull that shot off.

603
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: But then not only to like actually be able to

604
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: pull it off, to think, like, you know what, I

605
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: can pull it off right in tournament play too, so to.

606
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: Have the shot in your brain to step into that

607
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: shot and try it. Yeah.

608
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 3: So he's He's one that's so fun to evaluate wedges

609
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: with because he's looking for something that he can do

610
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: absolutely everything with and he hits a sixty everywhere.

611
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: Do you guys lean into that? I mean, if you

612
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: have somebody like sawhith On, you know that's an ambassador

613
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: and the staff member and does so well with ping,

614
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: do you guys lean into that and say, hey, can

615
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: you try this grind or can you hit these types

616
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: of shots or what would you like to see that

617
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: you think would benefit you with X, Y and Z.

618
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's something that our staff is really great

619
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: at of. Even if they have something that they love

620
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: and has been working really well for them, they're always

621
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: very receptive to try something because at the end of

622
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 3: the day, all of them are trying to get better.

623
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: Always like, so, what Marty would you guys were talking

624
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: about early with Marty, it's it's designing clubs too and

625
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: prove everybody who's overall game, but it improves your game

626
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: as well.

627
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacob, compare and contrast a couple of players on

628
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: our staff that have very different techniques like maybe somebody steeper,

629
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: somebody shallower, somebody ball for somebody a little you know,

630
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: maybe pick up a little turf, a little you know,

631
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: ground impact before they hit the ball.

632
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think so we'd be remiss not to

633
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: talk about Victor right now. Yes, and the huge changes

634
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: that he's made to his technique in his short game

635
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: had a pretty good twenty twenty three. Yeah, it worked

636
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: out right for him. So Victor and a lot of

637
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: his changes has definitely switched more to being very steep

638
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: with his attack angle. But what's cool about Victor's technique

639
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: is the way he opens the face so much. Yes,

640
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: he leans the handle, but he's got the face so

641
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 3: open that he's able to still have bounce at the bottom.

642
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: He's he's definitely trying to get it more into the turf,

643
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: but as he's opening the face so much, he's adding

644
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: bounce to the golf club. Sure, he's leaning the shaft

645
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: to deloft it a little bit to hit his windows.

646
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: So he's kind of on one end of the spectrum

647
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: where if you look at most of his chip and

648
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: pitch shots, he kind of plays more ball forward in

649
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: his stance, leans it a bit more, gets his sternum

650
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: working forward, so he'd kind of be like in one camp,

651
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: and then on the other side of things, Harris English

652
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: is a good one where he'll play a little bit

653
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: of variety and ball position to alter his trajectory, and

654
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: he's worked well in the past with something that has

655
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: a little bit of width in the center. Victor tends

656
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 3: to gravitate more towards something that's a little bit narrower

657
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: up front, and with Victor's technique, he uses a narrower

658
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: soul that has a little bit more lead edge angle

659
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: and that works well with his technique as he's liking

660
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: to lean the handle little bit more forward, gets the

661
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: ball captured in the right spot on the face. But

662
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: Harris has responded really well to souls that have a

663
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: little bit more wit to him, not saying it's a

664
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: wider soul by any stretch, but a little bit wider,

665
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: a little bit flatter soul where his technique has worked

666
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: really well on some of those shots. So there's such

667
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: a huge array of techniques and that I think that's

668
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: one of the things I love the most about Wedges

669
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: is that you go watch PGA Tour, LPGA Tour players,

670
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: brand ambassadors, all the people within the pingdom, as we

671
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: like to say, so many vastly different techniques and to

672
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: be able to match up a soul grind that's going

673
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: to work the best for them to have the best

674
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Speaker 3: chance of success.

675
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: Jacob, what advice do you have for the club golfer

676
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: out there. They're listened to this pod, they're losing spin,

677
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: they're questioning if they have the right gapping in the

678
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: right grind. What advice do you have for them when

679
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: they go out and start looking for wedges. Yeah, evaluating wedges.

680
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: Sure, So I think the first thing that we've talked

681
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: about all the different grinds face friction, et cetera. But

682
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: when it comes down to getting a set of wedges

683
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: and getting fit for wedges and trying new wedges, all

684
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: we want to do is get the ball contact and

685
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: the correct location on the face. So with the different

686
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: soul grinds, it's going to match up with different technique.

687
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: So as you're hitting little chips and pitches around the greens,

688
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: we want to see ball contact somewhere around groove three

689
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: grow four on the face. So what that does in

690
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: that location it gives you a nice combination of height

691
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: and spin. If you get it lower on the face

692
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: than that, you can maybe generate a touch more spin,

693
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: But it comes off with a lot of ball speed.

694
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: It's a flat land angle. You're gonna have a big

695
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: first bounce and not really be able to stop it effectively.

696
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: It gets higher on the face and you're gonna lose friction,

697
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: the ball might slip a little bit, it's gonna be

698
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: pretty chaotic. So as you're hitting different shots after you've

699
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: gone through the wedge, app really pay attention to where

700
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: your ball impact is on the face, because that's going

701
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: to be a huge driver of performance. Another thing that

702
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: can't stress enough is play a premium golf ball. Using

703
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: a premium golf ball, it's going to be hard. Press

704
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: to spin it without one and clean your club face,

705
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: club face.

706
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: Please.

707
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: Grooves, groom every time, get it and roll out of

708
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: that well. I mean like, not everybody has a track

709
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: man or or device at their house, but if you're

710
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: ever around one, hit a couple of shots with a

711
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: dirty lob wedge.

712
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: And see what the numbers are versus a clean one.

713
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: It is crazy. It's in life.

714
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: Need to see it, yeah, for sure. And I think

715
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: too when you go approach a wedge fitting, and we

716
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: kind of cover this in our app is before you

717
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: go look at actual wedges, think about what you want

718
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: each one to do. So, I mean Marty personally, like

719
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: when he's working on his lob wedge, his sixty degree

720
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: or is it even.

721
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: Sixty one one?

722
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not optimizing that thing to hit ninety yarders

723
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: from the middle of the fairway. There's sure he might

724
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: have to pull off that shot from time to time.

725
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: If he's got a tucked pen over a bunker or whatever.

726
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: But the vast majority of those shots he's going to

727
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: hit with that club are going to be around the green.

728
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: So when Marty and I are working on when he's

729
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: getting a new lob wedge and we're hitting some different shots,

730
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: you put weight on the most important things to you

731
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: and then think about your next wedge in the set.

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00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: For most people they're fifty four fifty six, that's going

733
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: to be kind of more distance control focus as they're

734
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: getting out to the rest of their iron set, and

735
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: really pay attention to the gaps within that space as well.

736
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: Marty, do you manipulate your shafts and your wedges. I'm

737
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: recently switched to that, and I'm doing softer shafts in

738
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: sixty and fifty six and then kind of the same

739
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: shafts I do in my iron. Said, do you do

740
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: that all? Yeah?

741
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: So I play X one hundreds of my irons, and

742
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: I play s fours.

743
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: I do the same thing.

744
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: So just a little bit softer gives me a little

745
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: more feel. I feel like I could be a little

746
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: bit more artistic, not rush the tempo as much, you know,

747
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: apply the force, spike the force quite as much there,

748
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: but it still keeps the weight. I think the one

749
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: of the biggest things we've done in shafts is, you know,

750
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: make sure you have a good weight progression, not too

751
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: heavy and also not too light, right, I mean, I

752
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: think the weight and balance of the wedge is super important.

753
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: Marty.

754
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: Do you want to talk about what you do in

755
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: your labledge? That's a little bit special.

756
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So my my lab edge, I kind of play

757
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: the uh uh anti or reverse of the single link set. Right,

758
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: So starting at my seven iron, my irons get instead

759
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: of a half inch longer per iron, they get three

760
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: quarters of an inch longer, so that my fore iron

761
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: is really kind of like three iron lengths, so to speak.

762
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: And we've kind of built that in. So I get

763
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: a little more club at speed, a little bit more

764
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 2: dynamic loft. With more ball speed, I get more peak

765
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 2: high generally a little bit more spin in my long iron,

766
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: so they go higher. Why do the opposite on the

767
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: wedges I get? I have my wedges, my fifty five

768
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: degree fifty six to fifty five a quarter inch short,

769
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: and then my lob wedge is a half inch short,

770
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: and I leave the headweight the same. So the swing

771
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: weight is quite light and so that lighter swingweight gives

772
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: the lob wedge a little less momentum, which is mass

773
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: time's velocity for the physics folks out there. And because

774
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: you have a less mass, then the ball comes off

775
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: with a little bit less velocity, so you can swing harder.

776
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the things Joe Mayo said. Yep,

777
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: the good player can learn how to slow the ball

778
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 2: down around the greens and speed the ball up off

779
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: the tee. And so that's been one little tweak that's

780
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: really helped me. Payne Stewart used to do it for

781
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 2: light long wedge. Bubba Watson with his bill he's always

782
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: played a really light long budge as well.

783
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: Jacob. One last thing on the new wedges, it's not

784
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: just the wedges we're talking about. You guys also manipulated

785
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: the grips a bit, is that right.

786
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, So looking at the wedges, it's not necessarily just

787
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: the head that we're working, right, We're looking at the

788
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: whole system. The golfer's going to interact with the grip.

789
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: And so one of the things with our dialo weedge

790
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: grip that we developed a couple of years ago is

791
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: it's three quarters of an inch longer than your standard

792
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: grip and it has a reduced taper rate. So what

793
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: that means is that as you get closer to the

794
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: bottom of the grip, the diameter of the grip in

795
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: your hands feels is pretty similar to what it does

796
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 3: up the top end of the grip where you're normally

797
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: holding it. And then also on the grip there's a

798
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: couple indicator three indicator marks at the bottom that give

799
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: you some reference points if you're choking down to hit

800
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: different shots. So that works really well for somebody who

801
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: kind of says, I want to make the same swing,

802
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: but I want it to go five and ten yards shorter.

803
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: They I think they're one.

804
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: Inch cremit's at the bottom, and you can have some

805
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: different yardages that you can work off simply by just

806
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: moving your hand further down the grip and you're gonna

807
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: have that consistent hand place.

808
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: But it's a reference point, Marty. I mean, it's like

809
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: a simple thing for golfers to do. They can't spend

810
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: the you know, six hours on the driving range.

811
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I Shane, I grew up playing the

812
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: ping Dialer grip which had the vertical lines, and I

813
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: remember specifically as a kid learning to hit a flop shot,

814
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: where I would turn the dial over and be like, Okay,

815
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna the faces clock to open this amount

816
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna hit my my flop shot right day one.

817
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, there's a reason you do this, Marty.

818
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: You get dialing.

819
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: You now you got the modern day dialing grip. There

820
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 4: dial a weedge grip. Dial it up, Jacob. It's it's

821
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: fascinating to hear. Are you already working on the next

822
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: iteration of wedges already?

823
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: Or oh yeah, time we're a few months in l

824
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: are you really? Goodness it stops?

825
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: Do you get like a week off when the launch

826
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: happens and you know you're like, all right, you don't

827
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: have to think about wedges for a week or is.

828
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: That just vacation.

829
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: Uh, that's usually when I get to go out to

830
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: the golf course and hit weaves.

831
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: Exactly. That's exactly.

832
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate the inside Marty.

833
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: Got anything else for him, No, I just appreciate everything

834
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: you've done in the wedge category, Jacob. And Uh, I'm

835
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: looking forward to having a lot of folks out there

836
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: check out if if they go through the app, do it,

837
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: do what Marty saying, I'm not joking. It's like getting

838
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: the start of your fitting from Jacob himself.

839
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: Yes, twenty twelve to now senior design engineering intern for Marty. Anymore,

840
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: get out of here, Marty Jameson, thank you Jacob for

841
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: your time. This is the Pink Proving Grounds Podcast