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Speaker 1: at least publish this it on open day? Right? A

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Speaker 1: That's the third standing army that is such a bullshit.

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Speaker 1: It's been going on every year. This is the third

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Speaker 1: what ducks tap about? When you go to hunt deer

427
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, you it typically happens two ways. You

428
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: ambush them, so you sit somewhere away for the year

429
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: to come to you, or you drive them. And the

430
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: way you do drives generally is get a handful of

431
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: dudes that go to a spot where the most likely

432
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: route of travel to be taken by a fleeing deer.

433
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: Then you get a handful of other dudes to go

434
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: in there and line up and push them out. So

435
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: it's like when you imagine the Revolutionary War, like everybody

436
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: lined up, you know, like the red coats are coming

437
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: all lined up. You line up like that and march

438
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: into a chunk of deer cover and bust them out.

439
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: And they go heading out that way, and the interceptors

440
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: try to get him. So you got pushers and standards,

441
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: dog and his crew out here. They have a thing

442
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: called which they have come to call mooching. What mooching

443
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: means if both sportsmen, if you ask them what the

444
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: mooch was. It's a way to catch salmon where you

445
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: run your mainline down to a bananimate then off that bannily. Wait,

446
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: you got a leader in a couple of octopus hooks

447
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: and you cut a harring's head off in such a

448
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: way that you can put it on there in a

449
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: herring spins and your mooch and salmon. But explain what

450
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: you guys say a mooches. Well, so everybody goes out

451
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: in the morning to their pre chosen or pre exciting stands.

452
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: Ambush spots, ambush spots. Can you name a bunch of

453
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: ambush spots? Uh? Sure, New Power? Uh? Uh? Two man

454
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: stand that's there's a boring one. Dad's woods. Uh. We

455
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: were we were on Brittany and I were at uh

456
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: matt stand. Um, there's the Ranella ravine shot on a stick,

457
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: ship on a stick. Did you hear that Ranella ravine

458
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: he got renee aimed on the podcast? It's the first

459
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: Well the dump uh fool on the hill. Isn't there

460
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: a standard? New standard standard? New standard? That the thing

461
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: is is that the standard stand. It wasn't really a stand.

462
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: It was just something that I put up in a

463
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: elm tree near a betting area where I had seen

464
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: this deer and uh, I just strapped a ladder to it,

465
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, it's the ladder stick to that elm

466
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: tree and then kind of got a hangar stuck up

467
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: in there. And it was about I don't know, fourteen

468
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: inch diameter elm tree that two hundred seventy pound dude

469
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have been crawling up into, but I was

470
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: gonna kill that deer, and uh, I crawled up in

471
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: there and I sat it in the stand long enough

472
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: to kill that deer and never used it again. So

473
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: new standards just a better place to sit that spot. Yeah, well,

474
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: and a better stand, you know on the tree that

475
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: I uh shot hit that deer out of. Uh. It

476
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: was an elm, a white elm tree that has since

477
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: died and actually found real mushroom sounder a couple of

478
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: for a couple of years in a row. Congratulations. Yeah,

479
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: well it's you know, it's a tree that keeps on giving.

480
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: And uh so yeah, standard news Standard the rock, the rock,

481
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: and that one's name because there's a big rock there.

482
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: I just know you wouldn't get that connection otherwise, so

483
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: all right, so yeah, that's what it's a jump in there.

484
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: So the mooch. Everybody goes out to their stand. So picture,

485
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: we're on a We're on a chunk of ground, a

486
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: sizeable chunk of ground. Hunters acre is a ground mixed

487
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: woodland farmland. These stands are all over the place, covering

488
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: areas and it depends on how many people you have UM.

489
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: But the idea is that one person is designated to

490
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: start the mooch at the assigned time in the morning,

491
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: and especially with the people who hunted here before, and

492
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, our our core group, there's you know, four

493
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: or five of us that I know it really well

494
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: and they so the moocher starts moving, still hunting very

495
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: slowly through UM gets to a designated spot. Another stand

496
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: gets in that stand and the next guy starts to move.

497
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: If it nothing's happened. But the idea is that you'll

498
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: bump a deer and it may go past everybody else

499
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: or or someone else, and if it doesn't, it may

500
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: do something as simple as turn around and go back

501
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: and lie down. Um. My, my brother's here, Uh was

502
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: in uh the bent oak stand one time, and I

503
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: went mooching up near him near the ravine and and

504
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: he watched, Dear, I didn't see a little forky buck

505
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: get up, move away from me, turn around like a rabbit,

506
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: swing all the way back around me. I was going

507
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: slow enough that it wasn't excited. Its circled back around

508
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: and laid back down pretty much in the same spot

509
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: after I had passed. So that idea that you know,

510
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: you're not getting the deer all excited, and it's more

511
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: or less natural movement. Um. And we really like that

512
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: part of it. And then there is the element you're

513
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: not running it out, you know, somewhere else, and when

514
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to do some buck management, and you know,

515
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: maybe some folks around you aren't. Uh, you know, I

516
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: feel like that's a way of keeping deer on your place. Um.

517
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: But it's also way of moving them and kind of

518
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: seeing what you you have and getting some good hunting opportunities,

519
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not a big fan of shooting

520
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: at a running deer, a walking deer, or you know,

521
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: quickly moving deer, but you know, where's a deer drive.

522
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: When you push them out, they come up carrying the

523
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: mail we like to call it. Yeah, on a mooch,

524
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: you do get a chance like the bump deer off

525
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: and when you're in the standing spot, the bump deer.

526
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: By the time they get to you are pretty chilled out. Yeah,

527
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: they're kind of like watching their back trail a little bit,

528
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: but they're down to a normal that's exactly right, normal

529
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: plug yep, you know, as opposed to a drive where

530
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: there haul and asked to the next big patch of

531
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: woods or or you know, they'll blow across the field

532
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: and keep right on going. Although today, um, I went

533
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: out to try to move a few deer for folks,

534
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: and uh, Helen and John were in a blind and

535
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: I knew they were deer around there to chow and

536
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: and uh and Cho's boyfriend John's here. Yeah, and uh,

537
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: they needed another deer because they didn't have enough to Butcher.

538
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: Apparently they thought they had a lot of time on

539
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: their hands. It's something for butcher. And uh so I

540
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: went out and took a walk, and uh I moved

541
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, and the deer moved really quickly. When they

542
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: came out, I mean they stopped. They were standing in

543
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: the woods looking at me, and then I moved to

544
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: try to get them to go past Helen and they

545
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: carried the mail across that field. There was no stop

546
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: in them. You never you couldn't get a crack out

547
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: of him. They were running like hell, just like what

548
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: happened up there? You try to stop. Yeah, we're like,

549
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: oh you're classic y not having it? What's your like?

550
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: Getting hell? And give me your just give me your whole.

551
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Like let's say you went home and do you have

552
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: a grandma. Let's see your grandma said, what were you

553
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: doing in Wisconsin? What's up with that? What would you say? Like,

554
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: how would you explain? Like what are your impressions about

555
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: opening day? Deer hunting and all that? Like everything you've

556
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: seen here, seen and done here Christmas or war? The

557
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: morning sounds like a war zone, I mean just NonStop

558
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: gun shots. Then the second day was just completely quiet.

559
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: You know, many gun shots I heard this morning from

560
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: I heard one prior to eight am. Then I heard

561
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: some cracking because my thing was cracking away twice. Yeah,

562
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: but I think by eight am I heard a shot. Yeah,

563
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: but there was the guy I thought you shot, because

564
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: there was the guys that shot by you. That was

565
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: the dude that was sitting by me on the other

566
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: side of the fence. Well, the first day I was like, Wow,

567
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: this is intense or everywhere, and then the second day

568
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is what deer hunting was. Actually,

569
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: like the cold you found did did plenty of opportunities

570
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: in an opening day. I just couldn't pull together but

571
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: not but but not relaxed deer. The Bucky got was

572
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: feeding the Bucky got was not like he was feeding deer. No,

573
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: he had no idea. But we had dear five the

574
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: through and you're trying to just talk about that, like

575
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: what the challenges I don't know. It was just there's

576
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: so many deer. But it was frustrating because you couldn't

577
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: get you couldn't get set up quick enough, or at

578
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: least I couldn't get set up quick enough to find

579
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: a window. I mean, it was Trino that it was

580
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: pretty thick with brush and so you'd have to you know,

581
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: literally be moving in your blind um and then you know,

582
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: quickly finding your scope the one window between trees that

583
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: you might be able to get a shot, and then

584
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: by that point they're already moving. So it was just frustrating. Yeah,

585
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: exciting because you're constantly seeing deer so even though you're cold,

586
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, but it was, yeah, very frustrating. Is this

587
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: something you'd go do more of? Yeah, for sure, because

588
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: you guys experienced, I mean your experience is from big

589
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: game hunting. You went on elk hunt like full balls,

590
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just they're both challenging in very

591
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: different ways. Like el elk hunting is very challenging, but

592
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean in the way that it's very physically demanding

593
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: and you're constantly searching and walking and I mean there's

594
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: some sitting too, but I feel like there's a lot

595
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: more moving, whereas this kind of hunting you're sitting in

596
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: a blind for ten eleven hours, being cold as hell,

597
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: and then you know having quickly holdings together. So I

598
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: don't know, there are parts of like after having got

599
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: on the elk hunt, parts of this where you would

600
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: see deer runoff out of your shooting range and the

601
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: like you just wanted to go after them, Yeah, thinking

602
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: that you could. Yeah. Yeah, Like well as soon as

603
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: we left are blind deer came out everywhere, and that

604
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: felt like a little bit like the elk hunt. Yeah,

605
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: so Helen like talk about get talking about getting your like,

606
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: tell what happened there? I don't know, I blocked out.

607
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I'm like actually really like grateful that we

608
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: have this on camera because sometimes I'm like, what happened

609
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: that day? It all blends together. Um. I was sitting

610
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: on the right side, you were sitting on the left side,

611
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: and your stump, and we kept seeing deer on the

612
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: left side. Right. So every time you see a deer

613
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: and be like, okay, quickly switch spaces with me. And

614
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: the concept of having to move quickly but having to

615
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: do it slowly so the deer can see you, it

616
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: was like very frustrating. Yeah, it's a certain kind of quicktion. Um,

617
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just I don't know that. Well, there

618
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: are two other was there two doughs behind it and

619
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: the dougs oak trees killing killing dogs, red oaks? No,

620
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was like the perfect shot,

621
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to take a shot that wasn't

622
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: for me as someone who doesn't have much experience hunting.

623
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: I felt like I needed a shot that was broadside. Yeah,

624
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: I want to point out that need you guys gave

625
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: a ship if you got a buck or dough hell

626
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: have been trying like hell to shoot the does that

627
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: were rolling through, but they were all kind of in

628
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: a hurry and just had you gotta buck just because

629
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: that had to be the first. Yeah. I mean that

630
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: thing was nice shot, just feet and chilled out. It

631
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: was perfect. So there were two bucks. This is the

632
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: first time I've heard this part of the Yeah, what

633
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: was the other buck? Like the same looked just like

634
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: his buddy. The other bucket I had in the camera lens.

635
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: And when Joe shoots hurt buck, the other one goes

636
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: huh and then it keeps right on eating, right, he

637
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: goes right on eating those He kind of hopped a

638
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: little bit, said they just apparely. He lifted his head

639
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: and was like h And I was like, yeah, okay, okay,

640
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm good. They had it was a button. It was

641
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: three bucks. It was in two bucks that were twins. No,

642
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: not twins just so I don't want to get out

643
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: of the blind right away. No, I was like, he's

644
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. Um, he just ran aways and got

645
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: woozy and tipped over in a ve thought I missed him. Remember,

646
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: I looked over, like did I miss I was? She said?

647
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: I think I missed him. I was like, if you

648
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: missed him, he's gonna have to visit a cardio because

649
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: there's blood streaming out of him. Um, he um piled up.

650
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: And I don't want to go down the right wicks.

651
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: I wanted it because there's so much happening that's just

652
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: like just dear every which way, and I don't want

653
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: to go down there and blow it. So we sat

654
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: a long while and eventually, I mean's just like it

655
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: was just horribly cold and finally got calm, and we

656
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: start picking our way down to that damn deer and

657
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: just freaking deer everywhere. We shouldn't left the blind man.

658
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: We shouldn't left the blund You WoT this deer like

659
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: across the field, biggest buck I saw, the old trip

660
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: comes down across the thing. I don't want dog to

661
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: get mad at me, So I mean, I could have

662
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: taken a hail Mary out of that best. But we

663
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: saw five deer when we moved. But wait, you said

664
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: to me that you just passed on a passed the

665
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: shooting opportunity on the top roebuck. No, I said, an

666
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: almost top rollbuck, almost top roebuck. I'll pull down, Okay,

667
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: I had passed made song like, hey there he was,

668
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: Well he's not quite he was there. The deer was

669
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: probably about a hundred and seventy yards away. I had arrest.

670
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: He was in my crosshairs. He was between two trees

671
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: with a big gap exposing his rib cage, his head

672
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: sticking out the other side of the tree. I'm not

673
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: gonna tell you that. Like absolutely he was standing there

674
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: for an hour feeding twenty yards away on public land.

675
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: I would have touched off a shot at that bar. Uh. Well,

676
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: and you had a better shot. We saw that same deer.

677
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: That's that was an accurate And well, how can you

678
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: not say anything? What do this? What do you what

679
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: do you want me to say about it? That's what happened. Yeah,

680
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: he was there not I mean, just like the whole

681
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: general subject. But you give me an the impression that

682
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: it was really fast, Like so now I get I

683
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: get it now, I get it now. Okay, you had

684
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: a better shot at that deer than I did. I

685
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: saw him. I had a legitimate shot at the day,

686
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: and I asked you. I asked you afterwards. I was like,

687
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: did you have a shot? Did you have a shot?

688
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: And you said yeah, But you thought Doug would be

689
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: mad at you, so you didn't take it. You didn't

690
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: think it was quite really tired of him playing that

691
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: car that Doug will be mad at the first time

692
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: I ever came to this farm. No, I've been in

693
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 1: this farm seventies. Good. Okay, I've been in this farm

694
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: seven times. Yeah, it's good. He didn't take that shot

695
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: the first time farm. Okay. In this room where the

696
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: buck racks are hanging, these bucks are all off this property,

697
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: is that right? Yeah? Okay, these bucks are off anymore

698
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: during the same time period. But yeah, and it's some

699
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: guys buddies will come and shoot a buck, but then

700
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: they want to take the thing home with him. So

701
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: then dog just has a put a little photograph on

702
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: the wall. Which, really, if I kill a buck here,

703
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: m worthy of the room. It's gonna live in the room.

704
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take it home with me. But some

705
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: guys will take it home and then you're here. Now

706
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: you've got some pictures of bucks that aren't they belong here,

707
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: that aren't even in here. Those two nailed to that

708
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: tree there. I gather they're from here. They took him

709
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: home with him. Yeah, so, yeah, I came here. I

710
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: couldn't blame him for that. No, no no, I'm not blaming hi.

711
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the one of the one of the

712
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: walls here has uh like thirteen buck racks on it,

713
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: and there's what's called top rollbucks. So the not the

714
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: bigger bucks are along the top row and he's got

715
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: them all done. Were you in the old way? We

716
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: used to cut a board a plaque out kind of

717
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: half acidly shaped like an Indian arrowhead. Maybe is that

718
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: was supposed to resemble. I just think those are different shapes.

719
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: They're all the different, but they're kind of supposed to

720
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: resemble an Indian narrowhead. Like the old way. You think

721
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: it's a shield whatever the hell plaque, but but it's

722
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: not a random shape. The amount of plaques and you

723
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: do velvet or a skull cap. And I came here

724
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: many many years ago, and Doug said, if you shoot

725
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: a buck here, it should knock one of the bucks

726
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: on the top row out, up shelf baby, top shelf buck. Yeah,

727
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: and it just seems like the well, I don't want

728
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: to get into my disappointment the last time that's happened

729
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: that somebody's knocked one off the top last year. Last

730
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: year I shot that, dear. So it's just it's just

731
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: a way where um, it's a way to encourage it's

732
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: it's a friendly way to encourage people to harvest dose

733
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: and to encourage people to allow younger bucks to ask

734
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: and let him grow bigger, having some kind of guideline.

735
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: And because you're responding to the way you used to

736
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: be in the old days right right that you. Yeah,

737
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: as I was telling Helen and Brittany, I couldn't have

738
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: been prouder in the first buck that I shot, and

739
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: it had one horn or one antler, you know. And uh,

740
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: we had one of our guys this weekend shooting with

741
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: one antler. I'm not going to say his name. We

742
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: found a dead one with one an We found a

743
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: dead one with one antler up in the up in

744
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: the up in the big woods by one of the stands.

745
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: It's called the wet spot, and if Steve ever opens

746
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: a bar, that's what I'm gonna name it. But that's

747
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: a whole interesting story about the dead deer. But go

748
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: on with what you're gonna say, uh and uh. What

749
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: What this requ wres is to take enough time to

750
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: look at a buck and these and say yeah, or

751
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: that it was a good hunt or you know whatever.

752
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: But you need to take that time and be willing

753
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: that I didn't. I didn't have enough time, so he

754
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: got a pass opening day. I didn't. We saw that

755
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: same buck, and I didn't get a real good look

756
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: at him. I think it was the same buck by

757
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: the way we described him, the one that you saw.

758
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: And I didn't get a real good look at him.

759
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: But I could have thrown a shot at him. I

760
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: mean I had a shot at him. I didn't have

761
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: as good a shot as it sounds like that you did. Um.

762
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: But I think I've said before that I'm never not

763
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: taking a shot that I regretted. If I you know

764
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: that sounds well, I've taken shots that I've regretted but

765
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: I wish I wouldn't have taken. But I've never said no,

766
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take that shot. And then regretted

767
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: it later. Really, yeah, I have that problem. Why didn't

768
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: I take that shot? You never looked bad and go

769
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: I should just taking the damn shot. No, I should

770
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: have maybe taken a better shot. But speak to the

771
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: to just try to quickly speak to what you're saying

772
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: about the management, because because because you were saying a

773
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: minute ago that that I keep saying that I didn't

774
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: do X, Y or Z, because I've been trying to

775
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,959
Speaker 1: do some of the some of that. I've been trying

776
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: to play along with some of the guidelines that you

777
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: have on your property to try to encourage you. And

778
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: I've been just really uh impressed this too strong word,

779
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: but really happy with the fact that you have done that.

780
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: Like not shooting the button bucks, Well, that's even even

781
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: more impressive. I mean that is impressive. That's and the

782
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: time to be able to look at him and go, okay,

783
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean you see a small deer you're looking at uh,

784
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, a small deer. A small buck looks different.

785
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: Another button buck looks different than a doe fawn. Um

786
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: Martin did the same thing today. He said, can I

787
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, should I shoot a fawn? And I said,

788
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: is it a doll? And he goes yes, I said, yes,

789
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: I should have said both of them and we would have.

790
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: We still hurt. But the first of all, just as

791
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: it was just a miss. But uh to take that

792
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: time and go, okay, that's a small deer. I'm gonna

793
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: make sure it's not a button buck um and I'm

794
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: not convinced that. Uh well, anyway, I'm impressed by that,

795
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: and the fact that, uh, you know, you you have

796
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: the patients, you're you're taking the time, and you have

797
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: the patients to do that. It probably helps to be hunt,

798
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 1: you know, getting the opportunity to um hunting as many

799
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: places that you do. Uh. So sometimes I try to

800
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: cut some of my guys a little slack when I

801
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: think about this is this is their hunt, this is it,

802
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: you know. But now the other day I was commenting,

803
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: we're kind of laughing about Dougs, the way that Doug

804
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: wants to manage deer on his place and the things

805
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: that prevent him from carrying that out and all the

806
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: ways he'd like to. And I was saying, how some

807
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: people have you know that like cartoon image of a

808
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: person with a devil and an angel on their shoulders

809
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: and like in their whispering these contradictory things and now

810
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: saying that dog like essentially has two angels on his

811
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: shoulders because one of the angels wants him to manage

812
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: deer for like a good buck, to do ratio and

813
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: allowing some bucks to get to you know, maturity and

814
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: to grow big, healthy deer, and the other angels saying

815
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: you should just let your friends have a good time. Man,

816
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: just let him get it here. Yeah, and Doug granted

817
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: that two. I've taken four friends here um for hunts,

818
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: and each one of them they were all beginning beginner hunters,

819
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: and each one of them got like any deer you

820
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: are happy with, go ahead. And and they're not the

821
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: only ones who have been other you know, first time hunters.

822
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: Uh my nephew Jack here, you know, first time hunter

823
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: happened to kill a very nice uh buck with it

824
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: for his first year, My nephew, uh Sam, his first

825
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: year here was a little spike. His second year was

826
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: that big old hog in the corner over there. But

827
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's pretty big jump up. But uh so, yeah,

828
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's not I shouldn't make it just about

829
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: the horns. And I've had some discussions really recently with

830
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: my neighbor. I don't think you make it just about

831
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: the horns well, because like I think, the longer you're here,

832
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: the longer I know you, or the longer you're involved

833
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: with the program, the more it becomes about it and

834
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: and and maybe it should or that I think that

835
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: you ought to have a little more discretion the longer

836
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: that you you know that you longer you've been here.

837
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: But you know, everybody makes a mistake, but you know

838
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: you kind of go, really, you made that mistake. Um,

839
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: you know there was a mistake made on Saturday that

840
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm still not buying, you know. So he knows who

841
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: he is. Um, uh no, he's not here, but he'll

842
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: be listening to this. He sent me a picture of

843
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: himself with the sombrero. Today we're in the sombrero because

844
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: nobody put it on him and made him take pictures.

845
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: So you think he was, you know, wanting to So

846
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, I did wear the sombrero and here's the picture.

847
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: And my response to him in the text message was

848
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: that should be your screen saver for the next year.

849
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: Do you think about all this? I don't understand. How

850
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: could you be like all the sun struck dumb. I'm

851
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: not at all. There's just a lot of people here talking,

852
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I like to let everybody else get

853
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: there words out. What's your thought on all? That's all.

854
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm a part of it, the Big Buck management. I

855
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: wish more people did more of it. I tell you

856
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: what's interesting to me is my dad and I were

857
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: sitting around, well, first he came up and met the gals,

858
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: and we were skinning in their box and we're looking

859
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: at the antlers and he's like, oh, yeah, you know,

860
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: like you know nice basketbacks, you know, two and a

861
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: half year olds. I'm like, no, those bucks here are

862
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: one and a half year olds, and they're probably one

863
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: and a half year olds everywhere, but everybody thinks that

864
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: they're two and a half year old. And I just

865
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: think that, like across the board, everybody is shooting the

866
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,919
Speaker 1: here they think. I guess what I've learned is that

867
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: bucks just don't even get a chance to make it

868
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: to be two and a half. They just don't can

869
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: just pass on like one year all of a sudden.

870
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: You're just gonna see, like, so Steve had an interesting

871
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: thought about that new management plans. I'm gonna copyright d Well,

872
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: the way I understand it is you get everybody together,

873
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: all the neighbors and everybody in the in the region

874
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: that that you know you can reach out to and

875
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: get to agree with, you know, some kind of management

876
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: and have how many meetings. Well you go, I'm gonna

877
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: invite them all to a luncheon. First, um luncheon. Luncheon,

878
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: he said to not you know, for drinks or anything.

879
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a luncheon. And I just so anyway,

880
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: and and you get everyone to agree that all we're

881
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: shooting our nubs and year and a half holds. Yeah,

882
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: any but any any any buck that has made it

883
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: to two and a half years of age gets a pass. Yeah,

884
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: because you know what you're doing. You're making a plan

885
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: to have a great two thousand eighteen. Right. You're saying,

886
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: any buck that is two and a half year old buck,

887
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna just have a moratorium killing those bucks, and

888
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: in three years we're gonna have a bunch of five

889
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: year old bucks running round. But instead people think that

890
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: a management plan is to cease killing year and a

891
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: half old bucks. And the problem with that plan. And

892
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: I wonder if if you guys from Elroy, would agree

893
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: with this that the problem with that plan is a

894
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: year and a half old buck is gonna stay on

895
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: your farm. He's gonna get moved out. He's gonna be

896
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: then you're gonna get someone else's because where they're all going,

897
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: it's not like an there's not like a new land

898
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: being created. Well but yeah, yeah, but um that they're

899
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: the ones that get. If you've got it, If you've

900
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: got a two and a half year old buck, he's

901
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, you could get him to stay. Uh that

902
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: buck over there that I shot last year, two and

903
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: a half year old buck, d of you know, a

904
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: hundred nine pointer big deer, two and a half year

905
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: old buck. I shot him because he had a lake

906
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: shot off. Well, i'd probably shot that deer anyway. I'm

907
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: not gonna say, well, I just shot him. That's you know,

908
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: that's um. But we hunted him all day. He got

909
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: was wounded, and we hunted him all day and then

910
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: and I finally killed him and we took him down

911
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: to him tested for c w D and the guy

912
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: did the aging and he said, two and a half

913
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: year old, I can't believe it. He couldn't. The guy

914
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: who was doing the aging couldn't believe it. He sawt

915
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: three and a half year old, and we had so

916
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: when I started looking at even some of those top

917
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: row bucks over there, well all those bottom row bucks

918
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: are probably two and a half year olds. Um, but

919
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: that group of four over there, those were were there

920
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: was three year old, dear, I don't know. So the

921
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: standard was aged at four and that was a hundred

922
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: nine two inches a horn, you know, um and it

923
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: was a huge deer. I mean, you look at that

924
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: picture and how you know how big that deer is?

925
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds ridiculous on our podcast, but we

926
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: talked about the standard before, so um so the whole

927
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: aging of things and so then what about the rack

928
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: and you know and what all that and you get

929
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: all kind of tied up and all that. So yeah,

930
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: that idea that well, let's shoot the smaller ones. A

931
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: guy um our our friend who was here to ony

932
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: pal skill his cousin who I've had the occasion to

933
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 1: meet and hang out with a little bit uh down

934
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: by the Mineral Point area where they have some really

935
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: big bucks down there. He said, I'd rather have a

936
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: guy in our area shoot a year and a half

937
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: old than a two and a half or three and

938
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: a half year old, because us you're getting that you're

939
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna have that bigger buck. And they're all about big

940
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: buck management, whereas I think you all have learned that

941
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: what my management is about is trying to have a

942
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: balance out there of what's the best thing for the

943
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: for the ecosystem and the habitat for everything, and my

944
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: oak trees, you know, and growing the oak trees, trying

945
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: to regenerate those oak trees. So uh, buck management isn't

946
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: necessarily in some areas, isn't about deer numbers. And what

947
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: I could think our management is more more about deer numbers,

948
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: and that's something we we took a big step forward

949
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: in the last couple of days with a number of

950
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: of dozes. But you made an interesting point. We were

951
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: talking their day. We're kind of talk with this whole

952
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: thing like me, you know, hunting for me, hunting for antlers,

953
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: and how this all fits in and what it all

954
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: means for everybody. And we're talking about a body of

955
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: mine who came out a couple of years ago, and

956
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: why don't shoot a buck? And shot a buck, shotty

957
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: young buck, and then we uh roasted the buck's head

958
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: antlers and everything just to get the head meat off

959
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: it and then putting in the oven, ruin the antlers.

960
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: Dug and I had I never thought about it, but

961
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: Doug had a great point was if you can put

962
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: the head in the oven, put a damn does head

963
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: in the oven. But there's a thing about that, people

964
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: want to shoot bucks. I think that it's two things.

965
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: People want to shoot Bucks because culturally we're still responding

966
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: to whim. We didn't have that many deer. It's been

967
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. We've had good numbers of deer, increasing

968
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: numbers a deer for over fifty years now, Like I'm

969
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: just talking in a national sense, a lot of deer um.

970
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: I guess you know. The deer years were in the

971
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: nineties and that was too many. Dear from from the

972
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: way from many definitions. Definition not if all you want

973
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: is dear, no, but forth from the looking at it

974
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: from a perspective of highway safety, UM, agriculture, landscaping, forest regeneration,

975
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: disease transmission. There's a lot of damn deer in the nineties.

976
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: But people I still like, you don't shoot, And I've

977
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: been trying to incourage you say something, But I'm just

978
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 1: trying to fish the point. Trying to fish my point.

979
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: People are still in this mindset that you don't shoot

980
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: those because those make dear. You know a friend of

981
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: mine Alaska, old guy, he feels like if you shoot

982
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: a door, you should have your fingernails pulled out or worse. Yeah,

983
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: So there's that, And there's also the thing that like

984
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's manly to kill a buck, right,

985
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: you just want to see, like whose dick is bigger. Basically, well,

986
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: so that's what I want to know about because we've

987
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: had talks about antlers with you two before. You know,

988
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: I talked about it in my garage while you're following

989
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: some mule the antlers off my wall there. So you guys,

990
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: like what your thoughts on antlers are, and then like,

991
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: do you guys feel any of that this weekend? Like

992
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: you at all? Where you like, I kind of want

993
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: to shoot a buck. My opinion was like I want

994
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: to shoot the first thing that I see that I

995
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: can get a good shot on, and then I want

996
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: to shoot the next thing that I can that's whatever

997
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: is the opposite of what I shot already. Because both

998
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: not just out of like appreciation for opposites. Oh no,

999
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean I I guess I'm still you know, a

1000
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: new hunter. So I'm in the in the place where

1001
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: like I'll take whatever I can get, and to me

1002
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: like that buck is gonna taste much better than like

1003
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: a bagel, you know, older. But one thing about but here,

1004
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: I got a question. But there's nothing to keep in

1005
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 1: mind when you shoot a year and a half old buck.

1006
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: You can look at a buck hand like you see

1007
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: a buck run by. He's a spike, he's a forky

1008
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: like you just know he's a year and a half old.

1009
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: Let's he's got some kind of problem or broke his

1010
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: antlers off or something. But typically it's a safe assumption

1011
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: that that's what you're looking at. That's gonna be a

1012
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: great eating deer. To say that, like a dough is

1013
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: better eating you don't know, you might be shooting some

1014
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: eight year old dough. That's very true. But with a

1015
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: year and a half old buck, it's like you see

1016
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: that little spike rack coming through you like that's gonna

1017
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: be you know, it's a safe assumption that's a young deer.

1018
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: Those you don't know, right, But my point was, like

1019
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to shoot it the first thing, the first

1020
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: opportunity that I get, and it's for in it that

1021
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: I got that smaller buck for me, because I think

1022
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: the meat is going to taste better. So how did

1023
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: it play out? Because you got two deer in one day? Yeah, um,

1024
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. So we saw a fair amount I

1025
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: mean fairly sporadically coming through. You couldn't have asked the

1026
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: deer to be spread out any better. We only saw

1027
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: sixteen or eighteen deer over the course of opening day.

1028
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: And I say only because in the Wisconsin guys, you

1029
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: see sixteen or eighteen deer, especially like in the early

1030
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: two thousand's, you'd see them in fifteen minutes, but in

1031
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: like bigger groups and people got used to that and

1032
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: so that was part of the problem. But anyway, but

1033
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: so the deer were kind of spaced out. I can't

1034
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: even replay it in my head. It would be interesting

1035
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: to see, but they were like one or two and

1036
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: we're like okay, you know, I'm like okay, Well, then

1037
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: what happened was we saw them go into this betting

1038
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: area and then all of us were staring in this

1039
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: one spot and then for whatever reason, out of the

1040
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: corner of my eye. I spotted something to my right

1041
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: and I look over and there's a buck that's like

1042
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: thirty yards away from us, just walking right in us.

1043
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: If like, you know, we weren't even there, and it

1044
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: was just it was like too much. I don't know,

1045
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: I like, I wasn't Yeah, you were not going to

1046
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: be able to pick up the tripod move it over,

1047
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: and that was not going to shoot it off hand,

1048
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: because it's just not there yet. You could at that distance,

1049
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,479
Speaker 1: you probably could have John wayned it, but I don't

1050
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: think that would be very good. But no, but then

1051
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: he took off and then but yeah, that's how we

1052
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: sat there for a little while. And then, uh, I'll

1053
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: give Adam the credit for spotting the dope behind us

1054
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: that you know, we weren't really looking behind us. Every

1055
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: once in a while I look back there, but um,

1056
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: he spotted it and set up, and I remember like,

1057
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: you're like, come here, can here take the shot. I

1058
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: was like, I want to wait for it to like

1059
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: walk into my window. I'm going, oh my god, Okay,

1060
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: And then I look and I look at the deer

1061
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: in the binoculars and well, well it is just feed

1062
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: along in there. It was us yeah, And I would

1063
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: say about the guys who are with us, the camera operators,

1064
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: it's weird for someone who doesn't do it all the

1065
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: time to have people like that with you, and you

1066
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: get used to it pretty quick. I mean, we build

1067
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: a big ground blind so all four of us could

1068
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: be in there, and you think, God, I want to

1069
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: be sitting out here in the woods of four people

1070
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: for people, you know, twitching and making and are we

1071
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: gonna see anything? And first of all, those guys are

1072
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: really good at sitting still, and and Brittany was super

1073
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: good at sitting still. That was probably the twitchiest one

1074
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: in the blind. And so for there is that downside

1075
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: of having those people in there, but the upside of

1076
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: it is you do have more than just your eyes.

1077
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: And my eyes are getting worse all the time, so

1078
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: it is really nice to have the extra sets of eyes.

1079
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: Um and Adam saw it anyway. Yeah, so no, I

1080
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: was able to you know, wait, like get set up

1081
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: really well and wait for her to walk into my

1082
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: perfect window I had and then shot, and I mean

1083
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: she pretty much just just piled right up. So you

1084
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: got the dope before the buck. I knew that, Yeah,

1085
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: because the buck is the buck that ran that buck

1086
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: that just looked up and said, I'm gonna go back

1087
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: to browsing. That's the same Yeah, that's the same buck

1088
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: that ran away from us and ran over to you guys.

1089
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: Different buck, different buck. This buck came in from the north.

1090
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: Didn't come from you guys from the south. He looked

1091
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: very different. Oh we didn't. So yeah, buck comes in.

1092
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: Well that was so that was Sam drove him to us.

1093
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 1: That was a little bit. That was actually the only

1094
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: two hours. Yeah, so Sam Sam mooched moved him to

1095
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: us because he had already killed a buck. Uh yeah,

1096
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: so we what we were, you know, I guess the

1097
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: way it went down was we knew that there were

1098
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: two bucks up there and maybe that dough and her

1099
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: fon potentially, and uh Sam said he was going to

1100
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: come and and mooch them to us, and kind of

1101
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: like you know, took a while, and so we were

1102
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: kind of like comming in home and we were all

1103
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: hungry and that maybe we'll go my dough and uh

1104
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, maybe you went to the bathroom or

1105
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: like then go to the bathroom. I went over up

1106
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: next to a tree, so um, but yeah, I got

1107
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: up so right, No, that was Sam had uh been

1108
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: in contact with me, and he goes, well, I'll mooch

1109
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: that side hill and I said, well, you know, take

1110
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: your take your time. And I've lectured him so many

1111
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: times about doing it. And you say too fast, that

1112
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: you moved too fast. Well, we're waiting for quite a while,

1113
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: and then finally I know that he's he's through. He

1114
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: lets me know that he's through doing what he's doing,

1115
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: and at least I understood that to be the case.

1116
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, well another ten minutes. You know,

1117
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: we can have we're going to take care of the dough,

1118
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: or we'll have a sandwich and then we'll go and

1119
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: take care of the dough. And uh ten minutes goes by,

1120
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I'm gonna go peek. So I

1121
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: get up and walk down over the over to the

1122
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: designated pe area by our stand. How far were you guys?

1123
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: You're going pretty far away to pete. Well, I mean,

1124
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's a mixed blind. So I wanted to,

1125
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, if we were here, because I was peeking

1126
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: pretty much out the back door. Where were you going?

1127
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get overrun by deer, so you know,

1128
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to pee for like how many yards were going? Well,

1129
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: she was going behind because I was in the tree

1130
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: stand behind guys all you guys were right down. She

1131
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: was the only you were going out. Even more, Martin

1132
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: couldn't see it from his little perch up there at

1133
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: the Yeah, shee deer back there. We did well, we

1134
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: and we had those doughs that ran through that valley.

1135
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: The first batch of dolls came up there that you

1136
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 1: couldn't You didn't see them. They were right on the

1137
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: trail behind this. So that's where you're pem back there.

1138
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Brittany's, you know, because

1139
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: I was there and I could relive it now. Uh yeah,

1140
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It was like sort of a

1141
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: commotion because we saw it. Ridiculous. Yeah, ran out of

1142
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: the woods and that was like, I mean, they were gone.

1143
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: And then he ran out ran down into that little

1144
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: I guess ravine if there's a little ravine, and uh,

1145
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: Sam had come around the side hill and they've just

1146
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: been sunning themselves in that betting area on the other side.

1147
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: You guys may have you can see that betting, or

1148
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. They'll see the deer and they came over,

1149
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: came down in the ravine and there because of where

1150
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: we set up the ground blind to have a better

1151
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: vantage point three sixty degrees, and we couldn't see that

1152
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: good over that side hill. And I'm done my business

1153
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: over there, and I turned around and came back, and

1154
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm they're all going like this, and so I get

1155
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: over and what's going on. There's a buck in a

1156
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: dough and they're down on the hill over here. So well, okay,

1157
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: gets set up and you know she's and she had

1158
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: done most of that by the time I got there,

1159
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: but and boom, this deer just watched No no, no,

1160
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: but not about yet, but surprised. Here's this buck right

1161
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: in front of us. I mean he was really close

1162
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: to thirty or forty yards a little bit. No, not

1163
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: when you shot, not when you shot, but when he

1164
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: when he came up, and it's like, holy moly, he's

1165
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: just right there. And you know, she's taking her time

1166
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: getting set and that's kind of hard to do when

1167
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, they just up. So

1168
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: she's trying to get set and he drots away. So

1169
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 1: I had my brother, my brother's old uh grunt, calling

1170
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: it bart and and he stops and turns around and

1171
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: see I'm doing the call there and he's coming back.

1172
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: I was really proud of that. And she's getting set

1173
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: again and taking a little time. Come on, the little

1174
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: the one angel on my shoulder was getting horns and

1175
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: the trigger and doesn't and then he starts trotting away again,

1176
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 1: and he turns around and looks, boy, am I good

1177
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: at I am so good at this? And he turns around.

1178
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: He's between these two trees, and she pulls the trigger

1179
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: and down he goes, and then the dough comes up.

1180
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you know, he didn't want to leave

1181
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: the dough. I had nothing to do with my little calls.

1182
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: I suppose he thought maybe it was another buck coming

1183
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: for that though, but he wasn't going to go very

1184
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: far because she was still standing down just over the

1185
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: edge of the hill. So it kind of deflated my

1186
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: call her ego. Um, but we did have a little

1187
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: bit of a different experience with that deer than the first.

1188
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: And the first one just buckled up and I was dead.

1189
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 1: That one hit in the spine. So what did it do?

1190
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: I didn't die right away, um, but he, I guess

1191
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: kind of crawled and we went after him to go

1192
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: put him down again, and I was going to shoot it.

1193
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: I went over to you know, because it was one

1194
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: of those things, and she goes stuck, duck stop, I

1195
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: want to finish it. And so because I kind of

1196
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: just you know, my reaction was to run over to

1197
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: the deer and kill it. And so I stopped, and

1198
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: so she came over and was kind of getting real

1199
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: set to do it. The dear expired. I mean it

1200
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: was and it wasn't a minute. It was a few

1201
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: seconds really. That all happened very quickly. Yeah, but you

1202
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,919
Speaker 1: felt terrible about it though, you know that you didn't

1203
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: make the perfect shot. When you guys get when you

1204
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: got your when you get your dear, do you feel

1205
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: like jumping up and down, hooting and hollering or do

1206
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: you like it? How like we're generally look kind of

1207
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: not a lot a whole lot of jumping around. It's

1208
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: still like a I don't know, for me, it's still

1209
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: like a feeling of like this like weird physical reaction

1210
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: that's not like wanting to jump up and down. But

1211
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it's like this weird like rib

1212
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: it regret. No, it's not like an emotional reaction. It's

1213
01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: like a physical reaction. It's just like, h like just

1214
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: like this wave of energy that I like, I can't

1215
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: describe and I don't know how to like put into words,

1216
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:11,799
Speaker 1: and I don't like definitely emotional in in a sense,

1217
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's still I'm still not able

1218
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: to It's I don't know, what would you say. When

1219
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: I walked up to that book, I think I still

1220
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: had a similar feeling of when I killed that elk.

1221
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: Was just kind of a loss for words. But it

1222
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: was weird this time because back to the Antwin thing,

1223
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: I think I looked at and I was like, wow,

1224
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: those are really cool, you know. Um, but yeah, there,

1225
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, there's a sense of loss. So you're it's

1226
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: not you feel bad because you know that you know

1227
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: that you're you're going to do this animal right, and

1228
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, you just took this animal's

1229
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: life that you just saw walking these like beautiful creatures

1230
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: you just saw, you know, through your scope very close up,

1231
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: and then you see it dead on the ground, so

1232
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: it's very you know, and then after that you're like

1233
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 1: pulling its guts out, so it's just very It's it's

1234
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: hard to explain experience coming out to me like honestly,

1235
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: maybe more shocked because like I think I was telling

1236
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 1: you honest the next day, like I it wasn't until

1237
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: I was like in bed along with my own thoughts

1238
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: that I really kind of processed like how kind of

1239
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, sad that I felt for the deer

1240
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: and and like and I was just even taking too

1241
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: deer in one day. There was like part of me

1242
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: that was like, man, like was that gratuitous to take

1243
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: to kill two animals in one day? Like you know,

1244
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was just like it's still sort

1245
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: of new where I'm still sort of trying to define,

1246
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: like you know what my hunting experience is going to be,

1247
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, yeah, I feel that that kind of

1248
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,040
Speaker 1: regret for something, but I have a hard time of

1249
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: feeling it for deer because I feel that dear. I

1250
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,799
Speaker 1: think of deer almost more in the in the vegetable world.

1251
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: I think of there they're there's they're not that old.

1252
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: Um in large measure, they are they they live as

1253
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: a result of people. Um it's our habits are practices

1254
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: of clearing the land, industrial agriculture. Um it allows some

1255
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: many deer to exist. You know, we have far more

1256
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: deer now than than during Columbus's time. So when you

1257
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: when you when you take it dear his life, I

1258
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: feel like it's some way like it's not take You're

1259
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: not like takeing on this like you gave it to

1260
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: him anyways, do you know what I mean? Some of

1261
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: like like from a people's perspective, a truly wild thing

1262
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: that gets old, like when like when you kill a doll,

1263
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: like a doll ram, a doll sheep ram. He's probably

1264
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: a minimum of eight. He's not gonna be in the

1265
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: older than twelve, but he's going to be at least eight.

1266
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: And he's never seen a person before, you know, So

1267
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: that feels different to me. That feels like you've stepped

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01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: in and undone something. You know. But then and then

1269
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: and the other side of it is that you know, yeah,

1270
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,799
Speaker 1: these do you have seen people? So then you almost

1271
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: start thinking like, oh, did this this year knew I

1272
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,839
Speaker 1: was gonna kill? You know, like it felt that pressure.

1273
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: I mean the buck that I shot in particular, I

1274
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: don't think did, but no, that's what I like, That

1275
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: buck had no idea. I wait that like that's the

1276
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: thing that's the whole other thing you can do. Like

1277
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: people go like if you just categorize just antlers, antlers

1278
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: is all that matters. Big buck equals good, no matter

1279
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 1: how you got it. You know, I don't know many

1280
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: people that actually subscribe to that, but there's plenty to do,

1281
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure. But to me, I think you be. I

1282
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: think you should add in some other factors. The deer

1283
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: had no idea, completely unaware of your presence feeding away.

1284
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: That's worth something. You know, if it's a giant buck

1285
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: staring at you as you get out of your truck

1286
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: and and roll down the window so you can rest

1287
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: your rifle over the edge of the window frame, is

1288
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: that more valuable because it's a bigger buck. No way.

1289
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: But the size also, I think has something to do

1290
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: with it, because we want squirrel hunting. A couple of

1291
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 1: days ago, and I did definitely didn't have I mean

1292
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: I definitely felt a little bad and kind of again

1293
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 1: the sense of loss of it. You know, I just

1294
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: took this animal's life. But I did not have the

1295
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: same feeling as when I came up to the deer

1296
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: or came up to the elk, which is weird because

1297
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: it shouldn't, you know, you're still taking animal's life. But

1298
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 1: for some reason, the size, I mean a size size

1299
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: plays I agree, size plays into it. The all thing

1300
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: is the thing I think when I hunt squirrels is

1301
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: they're so fecund. A female, like a mature female man,

1302
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: you can put off I don't know, sixteen of them

1303
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: in the year, a two year old squirrels ancient? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: can I ask you a question on this subject, just

1305
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: like in hunting for how many years now? Do you

1306
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: have a ritual of when you take in dear's life?

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Speaker 1: Of what you do in the next five minutes, ten minutes? Oh,

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Speaker 1: Meat Now, Doug, your ritual do you have one? Don't

1338
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: bullshit us. I used to more than I do now. Uh.

1339
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: The feeling that Helen and Brittany were both describing is

1340
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: probably more. Uh, I probably feel it more now than

1341
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: I used to, where I kind of, I don't want

1342
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 1: to say, forced myself, but felt like I should have

1343
01:22:54,720 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: a ritual. UM. So now when I shoot an animal, UM,

1344
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: it tends to be you know, I'm usually alone, so

1345
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: it just tends to be uh, more of a longer,

1346
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 1: quiet moment of like feeling at all. Yeah, and so

1347
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 1: if that's the ritual, that's the ritual. I mean I

1348
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: used to. I mean I just sit there and look

1349
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: at the animal. I pad it. I you know that,

1350
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 1: but there's nothing you know specific. It's more of a

1351
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: UM the feeling that I have that um, it's hard

1352
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: to describe. I think a lot of it. You have

1353
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: to UM, if there is a ritual or or a

1354
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 1: set of things you go through, I think you have

1355
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: steps you need to take that remind you to do it.

1356
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: Like the same way as if someone you've never met

1357
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: walks into the door, you might in the back of

1358
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: your head it might be like, oh man, I better

1359
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: stand up and shake the guy's hand. You know, you

1360
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: become you remind yourself of your obligation. It might not

1361
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: always happen. Actually, like you sometimes are being like, oh,

1362
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: I better do X right right. You see someone drop

1363
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: their driver's license in the airport, you know he'd be like,

1364
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 1: I better picked that up and go run into the person.

1365
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 1: Not that you just instinctively automatically do everything you're supposed

1366
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: to do. I find myself now and then saying, you

1367
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: know what, you better just take a minute to recognize

1368
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: what's going on. You know it does. It doesn't always

1369
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: happen without me going like, you know what, like the

1370
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 1: moment deserves some the moment deserves acknowledgement. Do you find

1371
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 1: that it happens with certain animals and not others? Bears?

1372
01:24:52,240 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 1: It's real hard for me with bears, dear, like whitetail dear. Um.

1373
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 1: I have to remind myself, did you did you ever

1374
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 1: cry taking a life? No? Never, I've seen it happen

1375
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: so many times. Never. But I started hunting I was

1376
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: so young. It's like I I missed all these you know,

1377
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: I missed all these things. I think so oftentimes when

1378
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 1: I've taken people out and have them get their first

1379
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: animal and they have their you know that they're overwhelmed

1380
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: with some motion. I just see that's something that I

1381
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: probably would have been the same way. But I just

1382
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 1: I was young, you know, and it was an accomplishment.

1383
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I remember about shooting my first dear.

1384
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: I was fourteen, and I accomplished. I did that, and

1385
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: I was really proud of it and excited and all

1386
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: of that. But this is maybe a weird comparison. But

1387
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 1: I still the cow on Monday, and I felt bad

1388
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,839
Speaker 1: putting her on the trailer. I mean, you know, I

1389
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: speak about acknowledging it. I mean I talked to her

1390
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: the whole time as we were putting her on, and

1391
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: you know, I knew where she's gonna, know where she's going,

1392
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 1: and you know, through no fault of her own, you know.

1393
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, she had a medical problem that wasn't gonna

1394
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: get fixed, and so this is what happens. Um. So

1395
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just getting a little more reflective in my

1396
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: old age or something, but um, I used to be, Uh.

1397
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: I used to have a real ritual where i'd actually,

1398
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, talked to the animal and all that, and

1399
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't, Uh, there's a lot of things that go

1400
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: through my head even while this hall went on, uh

1401
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: with Brittany. Uh, I'm thinking to myself, Okay, well I'm

1402
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: excited for um, I'm thinking about my management program. And

1403
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: she took a you know, the dough first and and

1404
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 1: that's helping that and this place produced that, and you know,

1405
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: here's another person who's doing this now and all that's

1406
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 1: going on at the same time. And um. Then when

1407
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: we got over there, I just kind of stood back

1408
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: and you know, sort of watched or let her have

1409
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: her time with the with the whole thing. And UM,

1410
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: I thought about that too, you know, like, okay, well

1411
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 1: you know what, as you said, you think about it,

1412
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: what did I you know, what do I do when

1413
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 1: when I do this? Um? When you asked me that question,

1414
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: I looked up at that deer and that was just

1415
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: a whole Uh. When I killed that deer last year,

1416
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 1: that deer had to be killed. I mean that was

1417
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:47,719
Speaker 1: that was sort of the thing. So I was finishing

1418
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 1: a job, you know, and that was so that was

1419
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: a whole different you know, emotion and and there's a

1420
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: bunch of other people around, because a bunch of other

1421
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: people there are three other people around, and um, you know,

1422
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: we talked about it, but I mean it wasn't like

1423
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: give it. It's a little moment or something. But anyway, yeah,

1424
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: well I had the same experience today where with those doughs, right,

1425
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: because I looked back and I saw those doughs and

1426
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: they were little, and they're how old was the dough?

1427
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: What do you think? Like six months? Yeah? It was little.

1428
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: And I looked at it and I looked, there's two

1429
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: of them, and I saw him and I was like, wow,

1430
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: that's a small animal. Compared to the elk I shot,

1431
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: you know about ago. It was tiny. And my first

1432
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: reaction was those things are gonna go. I'm gonna let

1433
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: him walk. And then I texted you and I said

1434
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: should I shoot these little doughs? Should shoot a fun

1435
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 1: And I do? And I said yeah because I had

1436
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: already looked because I was I was really focused on,

1437
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, having my binoculars, making sure that they didn't

1438
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: have little buttons on them. And you said yeah. I

1439
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: didn't say yeah, I didn't. Yes, I said kill it.

1440
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: You said kill it. That was your response. And from

1441
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, well, I had this reaction

1442
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 1: to this little dough, but I'm part of this management

1443
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: plan for Doug's farm, and at that point I was

1444
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: like all right, I'm gonna take that thing, and so

1445
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: I shot it. But then when I got there, then

1446
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: it turned back to not Dougs management plan, and my

1447
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: own experience was taking that life and it became an

1448
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: entirely different thing again. So it's a very interesting like

1449
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: back and forth of no, I'm gonna let it walk,

1450
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: No I'm gonna kill it. I'm having this experience with it,

1451
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: you know, and all that. What is it that makes

1452
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: people want to let that makes people want to let

1453
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: a fawn walk? Other than that you don't want to that,

1454
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: you want to get the maximum yield of meat off

1455
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 1: your tag? Is it like preserving innocence somehow? Like the

1456
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 1: older dear guilty of something? And yeah, that's a really

1457
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: interesting question. Yeah, there was something like that today. Was

1458
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: like I looked at those things, was like that is

1459
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: so small, Like it seems like they were so close

1460
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 1: at the first shot that I had at him was

1461
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: like forty ft because they crept up behind the deer

1462
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 1: behind the stand, and it was like wow, I like

1463
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 1: that's like too easy. I was like, what is mom

1464
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: gonna walk around the corner? Like I should take a

1465
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: bigger dough, you know, have more meat. Yeah, that I

1466
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 1: can understand. The first elk I killed the boat. I

1467
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: killed a calf with my boat, and the whole time

1468
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 1: out elk countin for took a few years before I

1469
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 1: got one, and I finally get one, and I thought, like,

1470
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: when you get to elk, you're eating big. Oh year,

1471
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: it's like here's this thing, you know, you know? Get Yeah,

1472
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: you almost two pounds, and I will say once Doug

1473
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 1: was like kill it. My next thought was when we

1474
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot during elk camp, right, is

1475
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: when you see that animal on day one and you

1476
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 1: ask yourself the question of do I want meat in

1477
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: the freezer at the end of this hunt? Yeah? And

1478
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: if the question if the answer is yes, then you

1479
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: shoot that animal on day one and your hunt is done. Right,

1480
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 1: and don't pass up. How's it going? Yeah, No, it wasn't.

1481
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: Was it your thing or not your thing? Yeah, it's

1482
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: not my original thing. Don't pass up on the first day.

1483
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: What you'd be happy to have on the whatever? Ten

1484
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,719
Speaker 1: So and I thought to myself, I'd love to have that.

1485
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I'd love to have that meet in the freezer. I

1486
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: wasking about it completely from the standpoint, well not completely,

1487
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: but much from the standpoint of if you kill a

1488
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: dope font you just took a huge step in the

1489
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:47,560
Speaker 1: management of you know, reducing the herd right here. Oh absolutely,

1490
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: and that's why that's why I said kill it, and

1491
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 1: had you said kill it. And by the way, I

1492
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: need one too, and we can party hunt kill the

1493
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: other one that was with it. And as soon as

1494
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: I saw you and you were like, yeah, the mom

1495
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 1: probably got hild there was two fonds left. You were

1496
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: doing that animal of favor because like they may not

1497
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: have made the winner. You know, who knows there are

1498
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,719
Speaker 1: two little fonds is like we could have just taken both.

1499
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: And that went out there all by itself. Yeah, lonely,

1500
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 1: I know, right, a little lonesome animal. Anyway, it was

1501
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 1: an interesting back and forth, you know that whole thing. Yeah, yeah,

1502
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: and and and so I mean you all did, uh,

1503
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: you know, did good work in the management plan. I

1504
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: need to well, Helen, just not me like it just

1505
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 1: fine work in the management plan. Uh. But you know,

1506
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: we took a number of what did we take We

1507
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: took twelve deer eight does uh? And uh that's a

1508
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 1: big deal. But that doesn't diminish you know, the life

1509
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 1: of the animal or anything like that. But there's a

1510
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: certain matter of factness about it that you have to

1511
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 1: have or you're not gonna You're not gonna do it.

1512
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're sitting there getting all emotional about it.

1513
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: So it reminds me of the thing that you said

1514
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: to Uh, that Steve said to the to the vegan

1515
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 1: when you had the Uh confronted, but when you had

1516
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 1: that discussion with him, that that book signing that's on

1517
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: on YouTube and stuff, you said, Um, I know more

1518
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: about dear or I care more about dear than you

1519
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 1: ever will. And it may not have to do I

1520
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,600
Speaker 1: may not care as much about an individual dear but

1521
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 1: about deer in general. And I'm totally hacking it up.

1522
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 1: But the idea of dearness, yeah, there are and there's

1523
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 1: lots of them, and so, uh, I don't know that

1524
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 1: I could go out and kill a doll sheep. I

1525
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,759
Speaker 1: couldn't go cut a redwood tree. And I know guys,

1526
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: you know, I know other guys who do it every day.

1527
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 1: I can go and kind a hundred fifty year old

1528
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 1: oak tree because it's time for it to go. Yeah,

1529
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to saw a redwood. Yeah, And

1530
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, so it says that, but if I lived

1531
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: around him and knew about him, I might and that. Yeah,

1532
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: so I feel like an interloper. So all of that

1533
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: is a part of the thought process, that and the

1534
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: emotions and everything that go with it. For me, that

1535
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: was another big thing today. The best past couple of

1536
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: days was more than anything, I felt like I learned

1537
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: a lot about deer, you know, just watching them and

1538
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,679
Speaker 1: seeing how they behave, the stop and go miss of them,

1539
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: how they interest, they can run silently, they can through

1540
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 1: the woods and you don't hear. Yeah. I thought about

1541
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: that quote to actually when I was sitting they're just

1542
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 1: learning more about deer. I was like, Okay, if you

1543
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: want to hunt them, you have to know how they move,

1544
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: how they you know, how they behave with you know.

1545
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: That's got it. That's the that That's a thing that

1546
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: baffles me about people who um are perplexed by hunting

1547
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: is that they think that you have animal that they

1548
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:26,520
Speaker 1: think hunters have animosity towards animals. People who have animosity

1549
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: towards animals are horrible hunters you never will get you

1550
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 1: never get good at it, or are serial killers. Yeah,

1551
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: it's like the asp that oh you like to hunt

1552
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: and kill animals because you somehow like violence on animals.

1553
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 1: But be like the people I know who are really

1554
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 1: good at hunting really become students of animals. They love

1555
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 1: to be around them. That's such a weird statement to me. Well,

1556
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: it's sucking it's out there, um, but here, let's do this.

1557
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: Helm was your concluding thoughts. No, you know what, Let's

1558
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: go clockwise like we're dealing poker, like we're dealing ker Johnny,

1559
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: Can I ask the question for my clinica? Yeah? Man,

1560
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 1: you want to want Helen to uh span on the

1561
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 1: hurt the antlers or just the answer whether or not

1562
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: you're thinking about it at all. Were you right there

1563
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 1: with Brittany just just thinking I just need to kill

1564
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 1: the first animal I get a shot at, you asked?

1565
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:35,800
Speaker 1: Steve asked that question earlier, and instinctively I said, yeah,

1566
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But I think once we started looking

1567
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 1: at them, I was like, I think it'd be cool

1568
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,679
Speaker 1: to have because I already, you know, I had shot

1569
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 1: a cow elk before, and I was like, I think

1570
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 1: it would be cool to to maybe shoot a book

1571
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: or just seeing them more. I think the first time

1572
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: I kind of looked at the scope, and I was like, Okay,

1573
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: I get it. Was when we were glassing for elk

1574
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 1: in Montana and we were spotting mule deer and you'd

1575
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 1: be like, oh, wow, that's a huge mule deer and

1576
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 1: I didn't really it just didn't click for me. There

1577
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 1: was nothing about it that was that was that made

1578
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 1: me want to shoot that animal more than another animal,

1579
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 1: or maybe you want to have that animal, you know,

1580
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: on my wall or anything like that. And then Jane

1581
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 1: when we're at Janes's house butchering the elk, and he

1582
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: was showing me, you know, some of his animers that

1583
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: he had in his garage, you know, and I think

1584
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 1: once you hold them in your hand, you're just kind

1585
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: of there's something about them that that are definitely magical.

1586
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: And you know, even sitting in this room, you're like,

1587
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 1: it makes you want to one day, you know, to

1588
01:37:54,000 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 1: bug that could potentially be on the top shelf. Um.

1589
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I really didn't get it before. It was

1590
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 1: not something that was interesting to me because it was

1591
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, in Yi's garage and then you had

1592
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: affirmation here in Wisconsin. Yeah, because the way we got

1593
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: into hunting was because you know, through the meat aspect,

1594
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 1: through the eating aspect of it. You know. That's why

1595
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:25,919
Speaker 1: for me, broadside, it is the only shot I'm comfortable

1596
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 1: with right now because I know that if I shoot

1597
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: it through the lungs or shoot it through the heart

1598
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: or something like that, then it's you know, the least

1599
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 1: amount of waste meat wise, like I'd rather not if

1600
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 1: the animals facing me and there's potential that it it

1601
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 1: could you know, the whole damn thing to go off

1602
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,759
Speaker 1: the back ham. Yeah, and like that's what's the point,

1603
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, And you did land just the perfect heart shot. Yeah,

1604
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:59,679
Speaker 1: I was very happy about that. But excellent, Mark Smith,

1605
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 1: until I clean missed the Yeah, and you could have

1606
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 1: another if you don't want to have your complute question.

1607
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 1: I was very interested. You're some far atnight? Hell was

1608
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: your concluding thought? Blocks? Blocks, He's looking really tired. Nothing.

1609
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: I just, um, I'm excited to finally be here. It

1610
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 1: feels kind of surreal being here after working on the

1611
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: show for a while, and you know, seeing the famed

1612
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 1: doctor where it's famed. But yeah, I guess on the

1613
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,719
Speaker 1: show and now huh oh, I thought she said shamed,

1614
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 1: thank you for having us on, you know, on your farm,

1615
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 1: And it was a really cool experience to get a

1616
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 1: different kind of hunting. Um, you know, is there. I

1617
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 1: feel like it's so different from the first hunt that

1618
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: we've done, and um, equally as fun and equally as challenging,

1619
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, in a different way. So Brittany, yeah, No,

1620
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: I mean I was again like echoing when Helen just said,

1621
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: stoked to finally meet Doug durn and was the first time. Yeah,

1622
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: go hunting together. Um, but I was also excited to

1623
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 1: even though we really didn't see a damn thing. I

1624
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: was super excited to hunt with Helen for the first time.

1625
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about that because we don't talk about

1626
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:40,799
Speaker 1: squirrels either. Man, girls were so much fun. Actually that

1627
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:46,600
Speaker 1: skinning squirrels is the worst part. But no, I was

1628
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: excited to hunt with Helen. We although we we had

1629
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: a very um an unsuccessful rabbit hunt in Montana where

1630
01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:00,799
Speaker 1: he basically threw rocks at trees and kicked up bushes

1631
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. But that but this is our first time

1632
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 1: and we like didn't kill each other. Just sitting in

1633
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:08,000
Speaker 1: the blind all day and not not seeing anything. We

1634
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,720
Speaker 1: had a great time. It was a lot of fun

1635
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: because you guys logged the whole day just together, yeah,

1636
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: and didn't see anything till the last minute, and we

1637
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 1: were like, we're a pretty good team for like beginners,

1638
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I mean a little slow on

1639
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out if it was a buck

1640
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 1: or dough. And in the end she didn't take the

1641
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 1: shot because we were in a hundred percent sure and

1642
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,480
Speaker 1: we were losing light and you thought it had spots.

1643
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,720
Speaker 1: It was sparker then then the ones that we had

1644
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 1: seen the day before. Probably I had hoped that, Hm,

1645
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 1: you know, I've done this before with you guys, not

1646
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: with you two, but uh, you know, so this is

1647
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:55,720
Speaker 1: my third time hosting or whatever it is, said hey

1648
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:59,560
Speaker 1: do here, and uh, you know, I've always tried to

1649
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 1: have the atitude of we're just gonna do what we do.

1650
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: And uh, I guess now I understand it's kind of

1651
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 1: how it's done. And I want to make sure that

1652
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: you guys get what it is that you want. And

1653
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 1: one of the things that I was reminded of during

1654
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 1: this the last few days was what we want is

1655
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,639
Speaker 1: to come and experience what it is that you guys

1656
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: do here and um and you know, and let that

1657
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:40,440
Speaker 1: story tell itself. And the other part was taking uh,

1658
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Brittany and to a lesser degree, Helen hunting. Um, not

1659
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: knowing Brittany other than some email exchanges and stuff that

1660
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 1: we worked on and you know together and you know,

1661
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 1: contact through the other shows and whatnot. But okay, So

1662
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: Eleanor's my daughter has gone hunting with me a couple

1663
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 1: of times, but she's not shot. She just you know,

1664
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 1: goes along and and creeps through the woods with me

1665
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:08,639
Speaker 1: and stuff. And so I wondered how I was gonna,

1666
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, handle I wonder what was gonna be like

1667
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: with you know, having a woman in the in the

1668
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 1: blind and and guy, she's gonna get all emotional if

1669
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 1: she shoots something and that. Um. And so it was

1670
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 1: a really interesting experience for me too. And uh, you know,

1671
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 1: on the front end, you wonder about, well, what are

1672
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 1: you hoping to get out of this and what are

1673
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: you or what's this gonna be like for you? And UM.

1674
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:39,600
Speaker 1: Once again, it's just a great experience to have you

1675
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 1: all here. Those of you have been here before, and

1676
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: really wonderful to have those of you who are here

1677
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: for the first time. And I just feel really lucky

1678
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 1: that uh one that um, for whatever reason, we've all

1679
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 1: got to meet and do this together, and that I

1680
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 1: feel really uh, it's been really wonderful to be able

1681
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 1: to share this piece of property and everything that goes

1682
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 1: with it with you all too. So that's my concluding thought.

1683
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 1: It's a good one. Thank you, Mating. I'm gonna teach

1684
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm not teaching our Latvian trick because we learned blouch.

1685
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 1: If I'm talking to mating, I say mating. If I'm

1686
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 1: talking about matting, I say, my teach seven different conjugations

1687
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:33,680
Speaker 1: of the really, so I put in use right now,

1688
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 1: I'll say, Mating, would you like to do your concluding thoughts?

1689
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:41,559
Speaker 1: Then that turned slightly to Doug, and I say, Doug,

1690
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 1: my teach, it's gonna do his concluding thoughts indeed. And

1691
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 1: I turned a Dug and say, Doug, thank you for

1692
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 1: having us and allowing me to shoot my first supply tail. Yeah,

1693
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: I'll be part of part of that. So I appreciate

1694
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,920
Speaker 1: that that was cool too. To be able to take

1695
01:44:56,920 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 1: out Chris, um, it was with me all, you know,

1696
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 1: the whole time. And the ridge pounder pounder, ridge pound

1697
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 1: a k A ridge pounder a K A cameraman for me, yeah, um.

1698
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 1: And and to be able to go in hunt also,

1699
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 1: and I just you know, it just sort of expanded

1700
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:22,679
Speaker 1: the experience sort of in a way that, um, oh, yeah,

1701
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 1: we can do that too, can't we. These guys are

1702
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: like down there and getting a license yesterday when I

1703
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 1: said something about yeah and off they went, So yeah,

1704
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 1: that was cool. Is that your entire concluding thought? That

1705
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: wasn't no, I was gonna say that, Um, I'm still

1706
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 1: only six. I didn't start hunting as young as my

1707
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 1: brother did, and so I'm only six kills in to

1708
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 1: my hunting career and I still cried be elk five

1709
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 1: of them being yeah, two cows, three bulls, and now

1710
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 1: one little dough in Wisconsin, and I still cry every time.

1711
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 1: And it's like it is such a experience of being

1712
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 1: close to God for me that it's really really powerful,

1713
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 1: and so I'm thankful that I got to do it here.

1714
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 1: Um it's cool to do coming out here is nice

1715
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,560
Speaker 1: to I wander around a lot and go to a

1716
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 1: lot of places, but it's nice to have like a

1717
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: spot like this where you kind of come in and

1718
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 1: and uh gain sort of like a more intimate familiarity

1719
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 1: with something. And I've been here a bunch now, Um

1720
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: in somebody that reminds me a lot of growing up.

1721
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,919
Speaker 1: I grew up where we hunted a couple of farms

1722
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: about the size of this farm. Um, and did all

1723
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 1: of our squirrel hunting there, did all our deer hunting there,

1724
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 1: not all, but a ton of it on these two places.

1725
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 1: And in those places kind of dissolved away. Um, the

1726
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 1: patriarchs that you know there was in that area, like

1727
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: the the just the generational change, like you have these

1728
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: farmers and then they raised their families there, but then

1729
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:06,560
Speaker 1: they're dead. There wasn't enough farming to support all the

1730
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:09,519
Speaker 1: kids farming, and so the kids went on to do

1731
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:13,479
Speaker 1: other things, you know, and then when the dad died,

1732
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: the farms has changed. It became like more like recreational

1733
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 1: areas and not working farms, and uh, that kind of

1734
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 1: went away, you know, Like you're on one hand, the

1735
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 1: old man farmer guy, I didn't really care. You're more

1736
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 1: than welcome to come out front of the family, and

1737
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 1: other people got where why would I have you out here?

1738
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always joking with you by he shouldn't

1739
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:44,160
Speaker 1: let anybody else hunt. You're not joking. So um, it

1740
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:48,080
Speaker 1: is nice to have like a farm to come to

1741
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:51,680
Speaker 1: and and and see that you know that chunk of

1742
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 1: ground evolve over time. Yeah, I completely understand that. And

1743
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 1: the idea that you get that, Yeah, that you've been

1744
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 1: here enough now that when I say something about an

1745
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:07,439
Speaker 1: area or we're talking, you know, you're wherever you are

1746
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: and I'm here or somewhere else, and we can talk

1747
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 1: about the farm and I can say, well, you know

1748
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 1: that spot by the or you'll say you know that

1749
01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 1: spot by the And that's pretty cool, all right, Thanks Tuna, dude,