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Speaker 2: get into before I forget. If you guys are still

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Speaker 2: to get it worked out for you. Okay, So we've

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Speaker 2: got updates on the trade war Chargery Secretary Scott Besson

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Speaker 2: out making some interesting comments. He's not too worried about

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Speaker 2: empty shelves out there yet, so we'll get into all

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Speaker 2: of that. Also, people noticing timu arging. Now an import charge.

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Speaker 2: So whatever your basket is, where your card is, when

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Speaker 2: of the import charges. So a lot of fallout beginning there.

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Speaker 2: We've also got results out of Canada, Liberals mounting an

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Speaker 2: extraordinary comeback, and really it does have almost everything to

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Speaker 2: do with Trump, with the trade war, with the fifty

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Speaker 2: first state talk, so break that down for you. We've

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Speaker 2: got updates from Israel and also from Brooklyn. We've got

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Speaker 2: Ben Smith on he had Emily this fantastic scoop about

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Speaker 2: these right wing group chats, which I suspect. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you must have been at least aware that these things

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Speaker 2: were going on. I won't ask you to reveal whether

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Speaker 3: No, Chris, I was like partially offended that I did

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Speaker 3: not know about this. I mean, I do know that

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Speaker 3: really on the right. Yeah, No, but I was partially like,

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Speaker 3: I had no idea, truly had no idea.

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Speaker 2: All right, So that's interesting. There's an incredible screenshot that

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Speaker 4: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: So apparently these things were really influential and forging some

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Speaker 2: Ben Smith can stick around to weigh in on that

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Speaker 2: So a lot of interesting things in the show this morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Chrystal, we should start with Scott Besson talking about

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Speaker 3: the shelves, because that's what's on everybody's mind.

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Speaker 5: You get the best reviews of anyone in the administration

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts about the US China stand off right now?

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Speaker 6: Well, Brian, first of all, it's all the president, especially

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Speaker 6: on the eighteen important trading partners. We're doing bespoke deals,

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Speaker 6: Two weeks ago when we had the Japanese delegation come in,

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Speaker 6: told them personally how important the relationship was, but also

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Speaker 5: Currently right now, when you are you worried about empty

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Speaker 7: A lot of people are saying, turn it around with

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Speaker 4: Are you worried about empty shelves?

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Speaker 6: Not at present. We have some great retailers. I assume

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Speaker 6: they pre ordered. I think we'll see some elasticities and

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Speaker 6: I think we'll see replacements, and then we will see

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Speaker 3: Well, the word bespoke was an interesting choice in that context. Crystal,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, don't worry you to throw the next

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Speaker 2: and I think Scott Bessant is like the ultimate sain washer.

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Speaker 4: Of Trump's tariff strategy.

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Speaker 2: And warning to everyone because Howard Lutnik is apparently going

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Speaker 2: any case, you know Bestent out there being like, I'm

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Speaker 4: The empty shelves.

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Speaker 2: Think Americans are going to be worried about empty shelves

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Speaker 2: if they do show up, which looks increasingly likely. And

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Speaker 4: Here you can see all right.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've got an item subtotal of sixty three

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty six dollars. So instead of paying

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Speaker 2: where that charge is coming from.

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Speaker 3: Right, And you know, I mean, what's what's even more important?

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Speaker 3: I think by our standards. I mean we're talking about

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Speaker 3: the digital shelves here here, but when people start going

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Speaker 3: retailers that you're sort of walking through looking for things

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Speaker 3: like an old navy. That's where things are going to

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Speaker 3: get particularly interesting because you know, like Timu and she

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Speaker 3: and are extremely popular, no question about it. I think

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Speaker 3: they're not like essential to their life.

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Speaker 2: I'm I don't know, I'm not sure about that because

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Speaker 2: I think people have become accustomed to, you know, the

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Speaker 2: things you can get on timuon she and are just

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Speaker 2: remarkably inexpensive. And a friend of mine was also pointing

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Speaker 2: resell in stores as well. So it's not just the

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Speaker 2: online experience. It's also going to relate to those shelves

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Speaker 2: So in any case, you know, the fallow in the

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Speaker 2: traffic decline. You know, we're getting to probably early May,

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Speaker 2: middle of May when you really will start to see, okay,

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Speaker 2: all of the shipping that shut down when these terrafs

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Speaker 2: start to bite. And what Besson says there is not

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Speaker 2: Of course, no one expected the particular tariff regiam that

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens with the terrafs between now and then.

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Speaker 2: But you know, increasing I saw Ray Dalio saying this yesterday.

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Speaker 2: damage that's been done, which I think also relates actually

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Speaker 2: the way that Carney is talking about this kind of

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Speaker 2: irrevocable break in the relationship with the US. We can

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Speaker 2: Diamond hang in and saying basically, like a recession is

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Speaker 2: kind of the best we can hope for at this point,

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Speaker 2: he said. He was addressing the crowd. He said he

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Speaker 2: believes the best case outcome from the trade war would

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Speaker 2: be a mild recession for the US economy, So that's

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Speaker 2: what he's saying is the best case scenario. Ray Dalio

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Speaker 2: also sounding a pretty big warning. He put out something

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Speaker 2: going to have this massive realignment and here from here

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Speaker 2: on ounce is just a question of whether that realignment

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Speaker 2: And I think we all can guess which direction we're

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Speaker 3: Far well, we're clearly going in a bespoke direction. Crystal, Yeah, exact, lessant, No,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I do think that's the most important connecting

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The point actually even the language that Wisenthal uses

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Speaker 3: don't think we know, uh, And so this is yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think I think the weisal theory sounds completely correct.

435
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Speaker 3: And the last point I'll say this is more abstract.

436
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Speaker 3: But I was listening to an old zero hedge debate

437
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 3: over the weekend and it was like it was it

438
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Speaker 3: was about bitcoin, and one person on each side of

439
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Speaker 3: the argument they both disagreed about the state of the economy.

440
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Speaker 3: I think it was six months ago something like that,

441
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Speaker 3: and one of them made the point, this is what's

442
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Speaker 3: terrifying about the economy is that you can have experts

443
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Speaker 3: who like spend their entire life studying this and working

444
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Speaker 3: in this, and they legitimately can't tell you whether we're

445
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Speaker 3: in a good or a bad economy. And the Trump

446
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 3: administration is coming into that context and saying, you know,

447
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Speaker 3: this is that means that we can manipulate it in

448
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Speaker 3: new and interesting bespoke ways to borrow the term from

449
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Speaker 3: Scott Vessant, And you know what that actually means is

450
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: it's just a continuation, or it's it's a dramatic manipulation

451
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Speaker 3: of this experiment, like it's a it's a dramatic new

452
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Speaker 3: variable and an experiment that nobody really knows how it's

453
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Speaker 3: going to end. Like nobody can tell you how this

454
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: is going to end, partially because nobody knows exactly where

455
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump wants to take this and how other countries

456
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Speaker 3: are reacting. But we've had a month long glimpse at that,

457
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Speaker 3: and it's not good for the administration.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even the importance of the vibes is even

459
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Speaker 2: in evidence, just based on what I was saying earlier

460
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Speaker 2: about apparently the markets do better when it's mostly Scott

461
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Speaker 2: Besant out there versus Howard Lunne and like. That shouldn't

462
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Speaker 2: matter because the policy is the same, right. So the

463
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Speaker 2: fact that one comes in like a more like proper

464
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Speaker 2: buttoned up Wall Street type package and one is this

465
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Speaker 2: more like unhinged type of character, also a very Wall

466
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Speaker 2: Street character, by the way, that shouldn't matter because the

467
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Speaker 2: policy is not changing. But the fact that you have

468
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Speaker 2: bested out there who can come up with, you know,

469
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Speaker 2: in terms of art like bespoke deals and oh, I'm

470
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Speaker 2: not worried about the shelves, and isn't spinning tails about

471
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Speaker 2: millions and millions of armies of people screwing in little

472
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Speaker 2: little screws and saying ridiculous things like that. The fact

473
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Speaker 2: that that makes such a difference is in and of

474
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Speaker 2: itself an indication that so much of the market is

475
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Speaker 2: just about the vibes of the day, and that ends

476
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Speaker 2: up being very unpredictable. And then the other thing that

477
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Speaker 2: seems to be moving the market appears to be whatever

478
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Speaker 2: inside info is being given out to, you know, Wall

479
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Speaker 2: Street traders to front run whatever announcements are coming out

480
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Speaker 2: of the administration later, which is something you know, we

481
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Speaker 2: had talked about. I believe it was Bessett who had

482
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Speaker 2: given Charles Gasparino reported on how he was giving out

483
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Speaker 2: this information before it was public at an investor conference,

484
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Speaker 2: allowing them to potentially profit on, you know, whatever moves

485
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Speaker 2: we were set to come out, you know, with the

486
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Speaker 2: Trump coin thing, I just don't want to lose sight

487
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Speaker 2: of this.

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Speaker 4: Can we actually.

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Speaker 2: Skip forward to what is this A eight and put

490
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Speaker 2: this chart up on the screen. You know, there's so

491
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Speaker 2: much going on in this administration that it's hard to

492
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Speaker 2: keep track. He's offering a private dinner to the top

493
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Speaker 2: two hundred twenty investors in his mean coin. The offer

494
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: caused it to surge and price his family's latest effort

495
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Speaker 2: to profit from cryptocurrencies. I mean, I don't want to

496
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Speaker 2: hear a word from Republicans again against about Nancy Pelosi's

497
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Speaker 2: insider trading, Like if you aren't speaking out about this,

498
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Speaker 2: which is just such naked brazen profiteering, corruption, graft, et cetera.

499
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Speaker 2: It is extraordinary the level of just pay to play

500
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Speaker 2: that is out in the open in this administration, and

501
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Speaker 2: the meme coin is kind of like ground zero for that.

502
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Speaker 2: And we already know, we've already have examples of crypto

503
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Speaker 2: dudes who put a lot of money into Trump shit

504
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 2: coin and announced it publicly and low and behold their

505
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Speaker 2: enforcement actions get dropped low and behold they benefit. And

506
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Speaker 2: it is so easy if you're you know, if you

507
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Speaker 2: are a head of state, if you are a CEO

508
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Speaker 2: of a company, if you are just some random person

509
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Speaker 2: who like wants a pardon or whatever, it's so obvious

510
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Speaker 2: that all you have to do is put a bunch

511
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Speaker 2: of money into to pump up Trump shit coin, of

512
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Speaker 2: which he directly personally benefits, and you know, tell him

513
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Speaker 2: or announce it publicly or whatever, and you stand very

514
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Speaker 2: likely to benefit. So, you know, this announcement, as the

515
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Speaker 2: article mentions, increased his mean coin value significantly, it had

516
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Speaker 2: fallen off quite a lot. The Malania coin was basically

517
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Speaker 2: just like a total pump and dump run by some

518
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Speaker 2: of the same people as Hobvier Malay's affiliated pump and

519
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Speaker 2: dump scheme as well. And it's you know, it's just

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Speaker 2: it's one of these things that I just can't let

521
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Speaker 2: go and don't want to normalize because the corruption is

522
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: so incredibly brazen and naked. And yes, many politicians they're corrupt,

523
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Speaker 2: and the campaign finance system needs to reform.

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Speaker 4: This is at another level.

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Speaker 2: And one more piece before I get your reaction here,

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Speaker 2: Emily go to A seven the club for the super

527
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Speaker 2: rich that they are launching, because I really specifically want

528
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Speaker 2: to get your reaction to this. So this is from Politico.

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Speaker 2: They say, the Trump Aline Club for the Ultra Rich

530
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Speaker 2: launches in Washington. The launch of Executive branch comes as

531
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Speaker 2: Trump World looks to remake Washington. New club is coming

532
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Speaker 2: to Washington. You probably can't get in. Don Junior, Mega

533
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Speaker 2: donor Omid Malik and several other investors are launching an

534
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Speaker 2: invite only club. The costs more than half a million

535
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Speaker 2: to join, with an exclusive post White House correspondent dinner gathering.

536
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Speaker 2: According to an invite, brainchild of Malik, will be located

537
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Speaker 2: in Georgetown. Their goal, the people familiar with the plans, say,

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Speaker 2: is to create the highest end private club that Washington

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Speaker 2: has ever had and cater to the business and tech

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Speaker 2: moguls who are looking to nurture their relationships with the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration. And by the way, the club already has

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Speaker 2: a waitlist. Emily, just unbelievable that we went from you know,

543
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Speaker 2: all this rhetoric about drain the swamp yea, to this.

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Speaker 3: And yet so very believable. Yes, but you know, populists

545
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Speaker 3: have for a long time and still will decry the

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Speaker 3: quote unquote Georgetown cocktail parties like it is a cliche

547
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Speaker 3: that is constantly invoked by populists, especially on the right

548
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Speaker 3: in recent years. But what they just did was create that.

549
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Speaker 3: What they're trying to do is create their own like

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Speaker 3: extra special Georgetown cocktail party. Literally they put those in Georgetown,

551
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Speaker 3: which doesn't really have anything to do with it except

552
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Speaker 3: for that it's a funny part of them just walking

553
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: right into this cliche. So, yeah, the drain the swamp

554
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: is drain the swamp of the left. It's not drain

555
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: the swamp completely, obviously. It's you know, we're gonna we'll

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Speaker 3: let some people remain in the swamp. It's not a

557
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: structural change to the swamp. Yeah, it was a structural

558
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Speaker 3: change to the swamp. Then you wouldn't have places where

559
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Speaker 3: you have to pay half a million dollars to rub

560
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Speaker 3: elbows with.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a listen it's not the same thing as

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden. But Don Junior is selling this club because

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Speaker 3: he's like the son of the president, has access to

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Speaker 3: the president, has the ear of the president.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, David Sachs was hosting this party. I mean, this

567
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Speaker 2: is an administration official. It's just incredibly, incredibly brazen and

568
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: just one last piece on the you know, latest corruption circuit.

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Speaker 2: We've got some new info about how much Elon stands

570
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Speaker 2: to benefit from the work of Doge, even as Doge,

571
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Speaker 2: by their mats or their public metrics, is a complete failure,

572
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Speaker 2: has saved the taxpayer effectively no money. You know, even

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Speaker 2: Steve Bannon is calling it out, and Elon is set

574
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Speaker 2: to pure sort of like slink out of town, but

575
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: put a nine up on the screen. He stands to

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Speaker 2: benefit to the tune of billions of dollars simply from

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Speaker 2: his companies avoiding the regulatory scrutiny that they were previously

578
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Speaker 2: under from a whole host of agencies. And you know,

579
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Speaker 2: this is something Emily that we attract on this show.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a particular part of a particular board

581
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Speaker 2: that was going after Tesla that regulates automated vehicles, and

582
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Speaker 2: he was very unhappy with them.

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Speaker 4: Oh, they get gutted.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Department of Labor was he had all

585
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Speaker 2: kinds of issues with them and all sorts of allegations

586
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Speaker 2: against his companies there. They get gutted CFPB. They were

587
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: set to regulate Twitter if Twitter was doing this deal

588
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: with Visa, they get gutted. So it was quite naked.

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Speaker 2: And he's got his end engineers in over at the

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Speaker 2: you know, the uh over inside of what's the why

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Speaker 2: am I blanking on the TSA? He's got them or

592
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Speaker 2: inside the TSA. That's another area that you know, is

593
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Speaker 2: a big problem for him. So in any case, this

594
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Speaker 2: Senate subcommittee found two point three seven billion in legal

595
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Speaker 2: liability that he is saving just from his efforts to

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Speaker 2: deregulate and defenestrate the administrative state.

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Speaker 3: No, what he's been doing is sacrificing Crystal nobly, you know. Yeah,

598
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Speaker 3: And at the same time that's a joke obviously. But

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Speaker 3: we were talking about you and I were talking last week,

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Speaker 3: and you made a really good point that ultimately Elon's

601
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Speaker 3: not in it for bike is his big goal in

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Speaker 3: DOGE is not moving some you know, money around and

603
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: saving himself. You know, a couple of billion dollars whatever.

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Speaker 3: His big goal is like advancing these companies that he

605
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Speaker 3: thinks are changing the world, and this like techno libertarian way.

606
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Speaker 3: It's not necessarily about the money. But that doesn't mean

607
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Speaker 3: the money stuff isn't Incredibly, it's just so it's so

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Speaker 3: corrupt and the precedent that it sets going forward is high.

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Speaker 3: It's a completely different precedent than what we had before

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Speaker 3: with like Pentagon contractors. It's not the same thing at all.

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Speaker 4: So any way, Yeah, although not the TSA. I'm just

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, guys. Too many acronyms for me this morning.

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Speaker 3: That's why we need Doge Crystal. That's why we need DOE.

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Speaker 2: That's right, they just added another agency. Now I got

615
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Speaker 2: the digital service whatever whatever that I got to remember

616
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Speaker 2: as well, though I guess that already existed. Nobody just

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Speaker 2: knew about it or cared about it at the time.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, it is official. The Liberals in Canada

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Speaker 2: mounted what was an absolutely extraordinary comeback. They will be

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Speaker 2: able to form a government led by Mark Karney, who

621
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Speaker 2: was a central banker and now Prime minister. Let's go

622
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Speaker 2: ahead and take a listen to Carney in his victory

623
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Speaker 2: speech really talking about some of the fissures with the

624
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Speaker 2: United States and how significant they're going to be now

625
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Speaker 2: and in the future.

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Speaker 4: Take a lesson.

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Speaker 5: We are once again at one of those hinge moments

628
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Speaker 5: of history. Our old relationship with the United States, a

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Speaker 5: relationship based on steadily increasing integration, is over. The system

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Speaker 5: of open global trade anchored by the United States, a

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Speaker 5: system that Canada has relied on since the Second World War,

632
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Speaker 5: a system that will not perfect, has helped deliver prosperity

633
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 5: for a country for decades, is over. These are tragedies,

634
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Speaker 5: but it's also our new reality.

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Speaker 3: We are over.

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Speaker 5: We are over the shock of the American betrayal, but

637
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Speaker 5: we should never forget the lessons. We have to look

638
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 5: out for ourselves and above all, we have to take

639
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 5: care of each other.

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Speaker 2: So emily, they are over the American betrayal, but it

641
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: is not forgotten, and they will be moving in another

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00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: direction moving forward. And let's just put the results up

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Speaker 2: on the screen when I want to get your reaction.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the shift in the political wins in Canada

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Speaker 2: has been extraordinary. We had David Dole, who is himself

646
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Speaker 2: Canadian hosts Rational National Over on his YouTube channel. He

647
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: was breaking down for us just how central Trump really

648
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Speaker 2: was in this race. And according to him, it was

649
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Speaker 2: the fifty first state jabs that really packed the most punch.

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Speaker 2: Obviously the trade war significant as well, but that was

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Speaker 2: the thing that really changed everything. And you know, if

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Speaker 2: you look at the polls and the way that they shifted,

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Speaker 2: it's absolutely extraordinary.

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Speaker 4: The Liberals were able to make this comeback.

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Speaker 2: And Pierre pauliev he had been seeing I mean, you

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Speaker 2: can speak to this more than than I can. He

657
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Speaker 2: had been seen as kind of this you know, right

658
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Speaker 2: wing rising star media figure. I think the right had

659
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Speaker 2: had a lot of hopes for Canada. There was a

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Speaker 2: backlash there during COVID, there were the trucker protests. You

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Speaker 2: of course had Trudeau who had just fallen off a

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Speaker 2: cliff and was sort of forced to resign, opening up

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Speaker 2: the possibility for this election. So really a dramatic change

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Speaker 2: of fortunes here.

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Speaker 3: M yeah, huge. And you know, I think one thing

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Speaker 3: that might happen in the media coverage of this over

667
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Speaker 3: the next twenty four to forty eight hours is that

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Speaker 3: people think, because because Karney and his party came from

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Speaker 3: so far behind, that this means, you know, Canada has

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Speaker 3: decisively moved, you know, and I shouldn't say move, but

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Speaker 3: stuck with Trudeau and stuck with the Liberals. But what

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Speaker 3: we ended up seeing is they we just had this

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Speaker 3: graphic on the scene on the screen that showed they

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Speaker 3: ended up five votes short or five seats short of

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Speaker 3: a majority. And it's absolutely a stunning comeback. Is absolutely,

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Speaker 3: no no question about that whatsoever. I mean, Polyiev was

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Speaker 3: up by about twenty points and polls closer to the

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Speaker 3: beginning of the year. So the flip after Trudeau is

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Speaker 3: like genuinely remarkable. Canada is very, very divided, and it

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Speaker 3: absolutely this is a situation for Canada that's you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not twenty fifteen anymore, where justin Trudeau is on

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Speaker 3: the scene being the future. Polyev really was seen as

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Speaker 3: the to your point, the antidote to that. So if

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Speaker 3: Trudeau is seen as sort of the friendly face of

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Speaker 3: the neoliberal Western future, then Pouliev was kind of seen

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Speaker 3: as the answer to the follies of that era of

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Speaker 3: Trudeau and Obama and Angela Merkel. He was seen as

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Speaker 3: a figure who could sort of be young and articulate

689
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Speaker 3: and bring the right into its future in Canada. And

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Speaker 3: the fact that he you know himself, fell so far

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Speaker 3: short well even things were divided for his party, is

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Speaker 3: a real blow to his ability to have a future.

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Speaker 3: Now maybe he still will. Politics are unpredictable, but he

694
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Speaker 3: was particularly on the assent and this is a good

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Speaker 3: indication that it didn't work out so well for his

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Speaker 3: brand on the campaign.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he What you're referring to is he actually lost

698
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Speaker 2: his own seat. So not only does the Conservatives lose

699
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Speaker 2: and they won't have a chance to form a government

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Speaker 2: the Liberals will, but he actually lost his own seat,

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Speaker 2: so he will not be a member of Parliament anymore.

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Speaker 4: So that stings.

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Speaker 2: What David Dole tweeted out in reaction to this, and

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Speaker 2: David's a lefty, he said, Liberals just short of a majority,

705
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Speaker 2: putting NDP. Those are the lefties in the deciding seats.

706
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Speaker 2: Jack Meets saying loses his seat, making an NDP leadership

707
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Speaker 2: race quick and painless. Pierre Poliev loses his seat. Loally

708
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Speaker 2: says this is actually the perfect result. So that was

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Speaker 2: his response to all of this. We pulled this reaction

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Speaker 2: from you know, run of the bill, Canadian voter getting

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Speaker 2: her sense of what was going on in this race,

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Speaker 2: and why she cast her ballot as she did. Let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to B one B.

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Speaker 7: I think who I voted for would be the best

715
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Speaker 7: to take care of Trump. Because Trump is I'm sorry

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Speaker 7: to say and ask, and he shouldn't even be president

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Speaker 7: of the United States, but because he is, we need

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Speaker 7: a strong person so that we could stand strong.

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Speaker 2: And I saw a poll that had Trump's approval rating

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Speaker 2: in Canada something like eleven percent. I mean, he's just like,

721
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Speaker 2: could not be more unpopular across the political spectrum, and

722
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Speaker 2: he was not doing much to help them. On day

723
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Speaker 2: if we can put this next one up on the screen,

724
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Speaker 2: he posted this on I Believe Truth Social He said,

725
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Speaker 2: good luck to the great people of Canada. Elect the

726
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Speaker 2: man who has the strength and wisdom to cut your

727
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Speaker 2: taxes and have increase your military power for free to

728
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Speaker 2: the highest level in the world. Have your car still win, lumber, energy,

729
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Speaker 2: and all other businesses. Quadruple in size was zero tears

730
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Speaker 2: or taxes if Canada becomes the cherished fifty first state

731
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Speaker 2: of the United States of America, no more artificially drawn

732
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Speaker 2: line from many years ago, you know, And I like

733
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Speaker 2: when he talks about how the.

734
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Speaker 4: Borders are arbitrary.

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Speaker 2: Look how beautiful this land mass would be, free access

736
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Speaker 2: with no border, all positives, no negatives.

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Speaker 4: It was meant to be.

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Speaker 2: America can no longer subsidize Canada with the hundreds of

739
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Speaker 2: billions of dollars a year that we have been spending

740
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Speaker 2: in the past. It makes no sense unless Canada is

741
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Speaker 2: a state. That forced Pierre Polyiev to have to respond.

742
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Speaker 2: But b three up on the screen, he said, President Trump,

743
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Speaker 2: stay out of our election. The only people who will

744
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Speaker 2: decide the future of Canada are Canadians at the ballot box.

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Speaker 2: Canada will always be proud, sovereign and independent. We will

746
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Speaker 2: never be the fifty first state. Today Canadians can vote

747
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Speaker 2: for change so we can strengthen our country, stand on

748
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Speaker 2: our own two feet and stand up to America from

749
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Speaker 2: a position of strength. But Pierre Polyiev had done enough to,

750
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Speaker 2: you know, associate himself with Trump and with the American

751
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Speaker 2: right wing that that was just completely over It was

752
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Speaker 2: completely impossible to overcome, even as he's clearly doing his

753
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Speaker 2: best yere to distance himself from Trump and say you

754
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Speaker 2: stay out of our elections, sir, We will never be

755
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Speaker 2: the fifty first state. And again, according to to David Dole,

756
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Speaker 2: that really was a sort of key tension point for

757
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Speaker 2: Canadians where they wanted nothing.

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Speaker 4: To do it.

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Speaker 2: David also pointed out the last several ads that Pierre

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Speaker 2: Polliab's team put out for the election, like they're closing

761
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Speaker 2: ads did not feature him at all, so which is

762
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Speaker 2: also not a great sign of how people are feeling

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Speaker 2: about your.

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Speaker 3: Candidate, that that post is giving Vladimir stop right, like

765
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Speaker 3: it looks so weak, it looks so weak, especially after

766
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Speaker 3: pauliev was, you know, sort of probe Trump in some

767
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Speaker 3: particular ways, like it just to have to then say

768
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Speaker 3: President Trump, stay out of our election like he's a toddler.

769
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Speaker 3: The other the flip side of those, of course, is

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Speaker 3: that first of all, the appetite in Canada for indulging

771
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Speaker 3: the United States. I mean, this isn't just about the

772
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Speaker 3: Trump administration. This is about the United States, because Canadians

773
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Speaker 3: know that there are a lot of people in the

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Speaker 3: United States that support the Trump administration, and so the

775
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Speaker 3: appetite for Canada now becoming anti US is strong. And

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Speaker 3: Eric Kaufman wrote about this. I want to say it

777
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Speaker 3: was the Free Press, but he wrote about how Trump's

778
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Speaker 3: approach to Canada, Greenland, but also just trade and populism

779
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Speaker 3: in general actually has the effect of undermining some of

780
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Speaker 3: his populist allies, people who he would want to build

781
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Speaker 3: up around the world. If Trump were engaged in this

782
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Speaker 3: like robust, ideological, coherent, ideological project to kind of realign

783
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Speaker 3: the entire world, that actually a lot of this ends

784
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: up undermining that goal because let's say you could have

785
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Speaker 3: had quallyev in Canada. You know, there are populist parties

786
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Speaker 3: in Europe. You know, is Trump hurting an AfD or

787
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Speaker 3: is he helped an AfD in Germany? Like it? Is

788
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 3: this sucking the winds out of Is this taking the

789
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: wind out of the sale of populism in some of

790
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 3: these places? You know, Mela, is he going to hurt

791
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: Mala At the end of the day. These are like

792
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: legitimate questions and something very interesting. We have a story

793
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: up and unheard on this right now, just this morning

794
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: about what happened in Canada. You know, what does it

795
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 3: like the future of the United States trade relationship with Canada?

796
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Speaker 3: Does this even work out well for the United States

797
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: when Canada now has the option to align with other

798
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Speaker 3: places and the Canadian people do not want to align

799
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Speaker 3: with the United States under Donald Trump. To the point

800
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Speaker 3: we were discussing earlier in the show, Crystal, does the

801
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Speaker 3: short term pain end up having, even by the Trump

802
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: administration zone logic, no long term gain because those even

803
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: in the short term, the relationships were damaged to the

804
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Speaker 3: point where there are in permanent realignments or at least

805
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Speaker 3: in definite realignments that happen out, you know, away from

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Speaker 3: the United States.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, Canadians did not hate us, and now they hate us.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the polling, like the

810
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Speaker 2: shift in attitudes of your average Canadian vs.

811
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Speaker 6: A v.

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Speaker 2: America has dramatically changed and now is incredibly negative. It's

813
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Speaker 2: somewhere you know, sixty five seventy percent are like, yeah,

814
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: screw these people, basically, and all of that effectively comes,

815
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Speaker 2: you know, from Trump, the fifty first state stuff, calling

816
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: him governor Trudeau, launching the trade war. All of that

817
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: has just really shifted attitudes and Cans have been very

818
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Speaker 2: unifying in terms of like Canadian nationalism and perspective. And

819
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: just to emphasize again how central Trump and the trade

820
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Speaker 2: war and whatever is, we can put this up on

821
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Speaker 2: the screen this next polling just to show you the

822
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Speaker 2: way that things unfolded here, just how down and out

823
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Speaker 2: the Liberals were. And you know, unlike here, the blue

824
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Speaker 2: is the Conservatives, the red is the Liberals. Most other places,

825
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Speaker 2: that's the way they do it. Anyway, we're reversed here

826
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Speaker 2: because we have to be special anyway. You can see

827
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Speaker 2: where Trudeau resigns. It really is at you know, a

828
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Speaker 2: nature of popularity for the Liberals, and I do think

829
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Speaker 2: part of the change in their fortunes is also the

830
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Speaker 2: fact that Okay, Trudeau's gone, we got a new dude.

831
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Speaker 2: And you could think of a worse resume than a

832
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Speaker 2: central banker to be at the helm when you're facing

833
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Speaker 2: this trade war. There was some potentially Mark Carney sort

834
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Speaker 2: of like fanfic about maybe he was the one or

835
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Speaker 2: organizing the Treasury bond sales behind the scenes. I don't

836
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Speaker 2: know that that's actually true, but in theory, he would

837
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Speaker 2: be the type of person who would understand the way

838
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Speaker 2: that you could, you know, you could utilize whatever leverage

839
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Speaker 2: that you have. Then you see the Trump threatening to

840
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Speaker 2: make Canada fifty first state and signing tariffs, and the

841
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Speaker 2: dramatic pull movement up to the present day where they're

842
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Speaker 2: able to, you know, to achieve this, this victory. And

843
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Speaker 2: then the last thing I wanted to put up on

844
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Speaker 2: the screen is I'm not sure that Trump is like

845
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Speaker 2: really that upset about this, even though to your point, Emily, like,

846
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Speaker 2: theoretically you would think you would prefer to have the

847
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Speaker 2: more right wing prime minister in Canada there to work with.

848
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Speaker 2: But he gave an extraordinary interview to the Atlantic, which

849
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Speaker 2: could be a whole segment in and of itself, but

850
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Speaker 2: he got asked specifically about Canada. We can put this

851
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Speaker 2: part up on the screen, and he seems to just

852
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Speaker 2: sort of enjoy that he was so central, even if

853
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: the outcome is the opposite of the one you would

854
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Speaker 2: think that he would intend. So let me just read this.

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Speaker 2: They say you seriously want them to become a state

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Speaker 2: talking about Canada, he says, I think it'd be great,

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Speaker 2: and then they say a hell of a big democratic state.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people say that, But I'm okay with

859
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Speaker 2: it if it has to be, because I think, you know, actually,

860
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Speaker 2: until I came along, I'm no political genius, but I

861
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Speaker 2: know which way they're going to vote. They have socialized medicine.

862
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: Trump says, you know, until I came along remember that

863
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Speaker 2: the Conservative was leading by twenty five points, and one

864
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Speaker 2: of the journalists says it's true, and he says, then

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Speaker 2: I was disliked by enough of the Canadians that I've

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Speaker 2: thrown the election into a close call. Right, I don't

867
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: even know if it's a close call. But the Conservative

868
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: they didn't like Governor Trudeaux too much and I would

869
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: call him Governor Trudeau, but he wasn't fond of that.

870
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

871
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: Em seems like he just likes he likes that he

872
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: was central. He likes that he, you know, overturned what

873
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: was expected. He likes that he was this troublemaker in

874
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: terms of the Canadian elections. It doesn't seem like he's

875
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: too upset. He seems like he's bragging about the fact

876
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: that he handed this victory over to the Liberals.

877
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: Well, there's a more sinister reading of this too, which

878
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: was the piece that I referenced that we have up

879
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: and unheard this morning, makes this argument that if you're

880
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: Donald Trump and you actually want to undermine the stability

881
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: of Canada, one of the ways to do that might

882
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: be to take the person who's leading in the polls

883
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: and just throw it all up into complete chaos and

884
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: make the government more divided, which it ended up being.

885
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: So it wasn't a decisive win for the Conservatives, and

886
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 3: it ultimately wasn't a decisive win for the liberals. It's

887
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: much less of a kind of a state system at

888
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: this point. Now. I tend to think what we just

889
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 3: heard from Donald Trump in the Atlantic is probably as

890
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 3: close to the truth as we can get, which is that, Yeah,

891
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: he has another quote in that interview about how he

892
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: runs the world now that there's just something kind of

893
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: thrilling about being the leader of the United States and

894
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: being able to kind of wave your magic wand via

895
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 3: truth social and throw everything into complete and utter chaos.

896
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: There's no like coherent strategy to destabilize Canada behind it.

897
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I mean, for like pauliev

898
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: was running when he was ahead, he was like running

899
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: against things like carbon tax. This really was a rejection

900
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: I've sort of left neoliberalism like Democratic Party, Obama, Trudeau,

901
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 3: Merkele neoliberalism and Chris I forget this was you who

902
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: was making this point. Trump also does seem to get

903
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: along with the cure starmers. Dare I say, Scott Bessen's

904
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 3: the Mark Carney types. So he might not be entirely

905
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 3: upset about this result because he now feels like maybe

906
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: he's someone he can like deal with, that he can

907
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: cut deals with. He doesn't necessarily want everyone to be

908
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: like a lap dog. He sort of enjoys the you

909
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 3: sare about the Tian Wow. He enjoys the lap dogs too.

910
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: But he also loves the fights. I mean, he irrelishes

911
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: the fights, which is why he was talking to the

912
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: Atlantic Yesterra.

913
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he loves our girl Claudia down in Mexico.

914
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: So and he is so right about her.

915
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I mean, I have no insight

916
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: into I did see somebody making that point. It's an

917
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: interesting one and one to watch, and I don't know

918
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: whether they'll get along or not. You know, because of

919
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: the antipathy that the Canadian public has towards Trump, specifically

920
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: into the American public now in general, he's Carney's going

921
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: to be under tremendous domestic political pressure to be extremely

922
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: tough when he's dealing with Trump, or at least to

923
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: project toughness with uh, you know, in fortitude when dealing

924
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: with Trump. That's effectively what he has been elected now

925
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: to do and to navigate this situation.

926
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, I saw some of the right.

927
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: Wing cope like, oh, this a week in Canada and

928
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: now we can roll in the tanks or whatever. It

929
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: was the insanity that I was seeing on Twitter. But

930
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: you know, conservatives have to be very disappointed when there

931
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: seemed to be all of this wind at their back,

932
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: the vibe shift, all of that, and now you've got

933
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: liberals winning quite handily here and being able to form

934
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: a government with the you know, the lefties pretty easily,

935
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: and Pierre Poliev himself losing his own seat.

936
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: So there you go.

937
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: No, no, you're right, it's it's it's totally cope. There

938
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: were all kinds of thing pieces earlier in the year

939
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 3: about how this was the end of any of a

940
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: local era in Canada and populism was a send it.

941
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 3: Conservatives were rallying around, American conservatives were rallying around. Polyev

942
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: really liked him. He was going viral and American conservatives

943
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 3: circles apples.

944
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: People keep talking about some apple. Tell me I'm mess this.

945
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 3: It was a viral video that he did with and

946
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: Poaliev did where he was so he was being interviewed

947
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: by some it was like I want to say, like

948
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 3: Canadian broadcast like it was.

949
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 8: It was.

950
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: It was a tough, hostile interview, and he was very calmly,

951
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: kind of owning the reporter while he was munching on

952
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: an apple, very nonchalant, like he was just in this

953
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: casual conversation and kind of owning the guy with facts

954
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: and all of that stuff. You know, I was just

955
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 3: gonna say that facts and logic. So that's he went

956
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 3: really viral. That's probably the first time he got in

957
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: a lot of American conservatives radars, and he had other

958
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 3: moments like that that conservatives were loving. So to turn

959
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 3: around now and feel like pallyev he was, you know,

960
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: just this this loser all along, who was you know,

961
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: driving the Canadian right into the ground. I mean, that's

962
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: just not how people looked at him six months ago.

963
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: The other cope I saw is that, you know, the

964
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: reason he lost is because he didn't race Trump, and

965
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: that's what he should have then, you know, he should

966
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: have embraced Trump and then that would have led him

967
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: to victory. And I just, I mean, that's just utterly preposterous,

968
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: given how dramatically unpopular Trump is in Canada.

969
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's obviously insane, but there's something about how weak

970
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: he looked by, you know, at first saying nice things

971
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 3: about Donald Trump and then having to say, I mean

972
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 3: he was in an impossible situation, then having to say,

973
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 3: mister president or President Trump, stay out of our election.

974
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just Donald stop, please leave us alone.

975
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah not great.

976
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: All right, Well, shall we turn to the Democrats and

977
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 2: what's going on with them? So you guys will probably

978
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: remember there was a significant race for a leadership fight

979
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: in the House between AOC who wanted to be ranking

980
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: member on the Oversight Committee, which basically it's a very

981
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 2: public facing role. It was a good fit for her

982
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 2: because she understands the media, she's feisty, she does well

983
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: in these committee hearings, et cetera. So she would be

984
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: in this prominent forward face role in the Democratic Party.

985
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi intervened and instead got her man, Jerry Connolly

986
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 2: to across the finish line to be ranking member of

987
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: this committee. Now, it was known at the time that

988
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: Jerry Connolly is he's in his seventies and he also

989
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: is suffering from cancer and apparently that you know, the

990
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: cancer prognosis has just recently gotten worse, so he is

991
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: now saying he's stepping away from that role as ranking

992
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: Member of Oversight that he had just won over AOC.

993
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: Let's put this up on the screen. This is his

994
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: official statement. Jerry Connolly, By the way, I've met him

995
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: before a number of times. He represents a northern Virginia

996
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: suburban like Fairfax County District in Virginia and has for

997
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: a while. He used to be the head of the

998
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 2: Board of Supervisors in Fairfax County, so a long time

999
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: public official. Anyway, he says, Dear friends, I want to

1000
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: begin by thanking you for your good wishes and compassion

1001
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: as I continue to tackle my diagnosis. Your outpouring of

1002
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: love and support has given me strength in my fights

1003
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: both against cancer and our collective defensive democracy. When I

1004
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: announced my diagnosis six months ago, I promised transparency. After

1005
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: grueling treatments, we've learned the cancer, which was an initially

1006
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: beaten back, has now returned. I'll do everything possible to

1007
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: continue to represent you and thank you for your grace.

1008
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: The sun is setting on my time in public service.

1009
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: This will be my last term in Congress. I will

1010
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: be stepping back as ranking member of the Oversight Committee

1011
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: soon with no rancor, in a full heart, I'm move

1012
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: into this final chapter full of pride in what we've

1013
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: accomplished together over thirty years. My loving family and staff

1014
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: sustain me, My extended family. You all have been a

1015
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: joy to serve, your friend and public servant. And you know,

1016
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to be an asshole here. I've met,

1017
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: like I said, I met Jerry Connolly, you know, interpersonally,

1018
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: very nice person. But if you truly believe yourself to

1019
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: be which I do, in this existential threat for the

1020
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: future of the country and democracy, you need to put

1021
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: your most effective players forward. And it was always very

1022
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 2: clear that that would not be Jerry Connolly at seventy

1023
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: years old in battling cancer. It would be someone like

1024
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 2: AOC who is leading the fight and is out there,

1025
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: you know, touring the country alongside Bernie Sanders and garnering

1026
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: record breaking crowds and understands new media, et cetera. And

1027
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: so here we are four months into the Trump administration

1028
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: and he's already having to step back emily from this

1029
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 2: role whatsoever. In terms of the who's going to be

1030
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: the replacement, It's not going to be AOC. She is

1031
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 2: no longer actually on this committee. She I guess got

1032
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: switched or both committees or whatever. Can put Ken Klippenstein,

1033
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: who's been all over this from the very beginning.

1034
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: Put the to say the very least about Ken.

1035
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: I tried, I tried to book Ken for us today,

1036
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: but he's like traveling right now and is just like

1037
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: killing him. Because yeah, all over this at the beginning.

1038
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: But anyway, put this next piece up on the screen.

1039
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,479
Speaker 2: This is who looks to be set to replace him,

1040
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: another seventy year old representative, Stephen Lynch. Ken goes on

1041
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 2: to say his background is colorful. Lynch was apparently arrested

1042
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: at some point for drunkenly attacking a group of Iranian

1043
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: students protesting US intervention abroad. There are some other members

1044
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: on this committee who could have been interesting. Rocana is

1045
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: on this committee. Jasmine Crockett is also on this committee,

1046
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: so you don't have to go with another seventy year old.

1047
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: But yet here they are just like, this is the

1048
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 2: guy who's next in line seniority or leadership can rely

1049
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: on them or whatever. And it's absolutely incredible. I mean,

1050
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 2: Democrats have had multiple members die in office this session,

1051
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: which have led Republicans to you know, expand their margins

1052
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: by a little bit, and that little bit can make

1053
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 2: all the difference in terms of, you know, getting close

1054
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: legislation through the House.

1055
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: I'm so there's no committee that Democrats should have wanted

1056
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: a like very aware and healthy person on more than

1057
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: oversight for the first one hundred days of the second

1058
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: Trump administration. Like I am furious on be half of

1059
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: Democratic voters just thinking back on how insane it was.

1060
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 3: Like this is a concession that everyone who was concerned

1061
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: about Connolly getting this position was correct. This is him

1062
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: basically throwing in the towel and saying I'm not up

1063
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 3: to the job. Well, if you had had the humility

1064
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: and your supporters had had the humility to say that

1065
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 3: one hundred days ago, the Oversight Committee could have been

1066
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: much more robustly energetically pushing back on the Trump administration.

1067
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: It is just completely it's you know, all of this

1068
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: is obvious, what we're saying right now, but it is

1069
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 3: such a just obnoxious example of how wrong the old

1070
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: guard is, and how stubborn the old guard is, and

1071
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: how stuck in their way as the old guard is,

1072
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: and just how not up to the moment they are.

1073
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: It's just the sort of arrogance of the political class

1074
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 3: just being I think, you know, to some extent here

1075
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: put on fold display and again predictable and obvious. But

1076
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: the Oversight Committee is doing exactly what it says, like

1077
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 3: they have powers to call witnesses, like when Republicans were

1078
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: in the minority recently under Biden, the Oversight Committee, the

1079
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Speaker 3: Oversight Committee is where they felt they were doing their

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00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 3: most important work. And it's because you can then call

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00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 3: hearings and do Hunter Biden and Benghazi and all of

1082
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: those things come out of oversight. It's very powerful if

1083
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: you use it correctly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I remember when he won this or was

1085
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: going for this position at the time, which I could

1086
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: remember the exact language that he used, but he said

1087
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: something like I've waited a long time for this. It

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00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: was very like I did my time. I'm next in line,

1089
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: so I'm getting this seat. And Nancy Pelosi made sure

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Speaker 2: that he had the votes to be able to and again,

1091
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: like we all knew this was the reality.

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Speaker 4: They knew this was the reality. This was utterly predictable.

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00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: And so not only was it really you know, self

1094
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 2: serving for Jerry Connelly, even to put himself up for

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00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: this position is extraordinarily you know, extraordinarily short sighted and

1096
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 2: weak move from Democratic leadership to push him for this

1097
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: spot and just speaks to a lack of seriousness and

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00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: a lack of meeting the moment that has been characteristic

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Speaker 2: across the board from the official Democratic leadership. And boy

1100
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Speaker 2: do I have another example of that Senator Schumer, who,

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00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: of course, you know, capitulated the Republicans the one thing

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00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: that where Democrats in the Senate really had some leverage.

1103
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: He completely you know, hands Republicans' major victory there. Now

1104
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: he's on CNN saying that, don't worry, he's in the fight.

1105
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: He has sent the Trump administration a strongly worded letter, Emily,

1106
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: so he will await their response. Let's take a listen

1107
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: to what he had to say.

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Speaker 9: But it's also going to hurt the kind of medical

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00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 9: research and other kinds of great research that has done

1110
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 9: at Harvard and other universities. So we sent him a

1111
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 9: very strong letter just the other day, tell asking eight

1112
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 9: very strong questions about why this isn't just a pretext.

1113
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: Well, you'll let us know if you get a response

1114
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 3: to that letter. I do want to I love it,

1115
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: seven not say seven strongly worded questions, eight strongly worded.

1116
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 4: Questions, very strong, very strong questions. He said, I love that.

1117
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: Dana's like, okay, you let me know when they get

1118
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: back to you on that one, sure, buddy, Like, it's

1119
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: just you can't make it up.

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Speaker 4: It's so pathetic. It is so utterly pathetic.

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00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: It's insane that he was on live television and thought

1122
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: that was a good thing to say, Like, are you

1123
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: listening to yourself? You know that you were stepping straight

1124
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 3: into a joke. Buddy. This is the minority, this is

1125
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 3: the head of Senate Democrats for how many years, and

1126
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 3: he can't even get through an interview without saying something

1127
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: as stupid as that. I mean, it's come on.

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Speaker 2: Man, I miss Harry Reid. That's what I got to

1129
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: say about that. I miss Harry Reid. Harry he would never, No,

1130
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: he would never. Meanwhile, you've got you know, they're just

1131
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: the again, the leadership. They are just thrashing around trying

1132
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: to figure out where to be, what to say. They've

1133
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: recognized at this point that the base wants them to

1134
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: do more, so you know, their response is things like

1135
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: Senator Schumer sending eight strong questions in a strongly worded letter,

1136
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: and then Hakeem Jeffries and Corey Booker did some sort

1137
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: of a like live show out on the Capital steps,

1138
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: which everything it's just, you know, it's just a little odd.

1139
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: I will say that the Corey Booker speech, it didn't

1140
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: really it really didn't do it for me because of

1141
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: a variety. You know, it wasn't really about anything. And

1142
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: you know, it's felt to me very performative, although impressive,

1143
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: like listen, to hold your bladder that long is extraordinary,

1144
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: if in fact that's true, just to speak for that long,

1145
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. But I have to say, liberals

1146
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: ate that shit up. They loved it. They absolutely loved it.

1147
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: They see him as a hero. And this shows you,

1148
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 2: like the bar it is not that high. They just

1149
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: want people to do something, even though something is just

1150
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: like standing and talking for a while, right.

1151
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: Because that's a great that's a great point because that

1152
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: philibuster didn't have any legislative goal. Like literally, they just

1153
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 3: were lapping up Corey Booker demonstrating how like passionately he

1154
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: was anti Trump and anti this administration. And it was

1155
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 3: actually smart because he was like live on TikTok and

1156
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 3: breaking records and it you know, as I think vapid

1157
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 3: as it was, it just rallied the troops because people

1158
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: are desperate.

1159
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Speaker 4: Yeah that's right.

1160
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Speaker 2: But in any case, it came Jeffrey's Corey Booker do

1161
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: this hangout live stream thing on the Capitol steps. Let

1162
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: me give you just just just a little taste of

1163
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: it them like just a little taste, And I want.

1164
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Speaker 8: You all to know, I miss Obama, I miss Obama,

1165
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 8: I miss Obama, I miss Obama, and I.

1166
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 4: Miss I miss her husband too.

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Speaker 8: We'll be pushing back against the Republican efforts to am

1168
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 8: this far right extreme budget down the throats of the

1169
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Speaker 8: American people, and we wanted to make sure that heading

1170
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 8: into that fight, we were very clear with our Republican

1171
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 8: colleagues there will not be a single Democratic vote to

1172
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 8: take away the healthcare of the American.

1173
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 3: People, not a sing law.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry, Emily, the spirit of Barack Obama is alive

1175
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: and well in the fake ass speech cadence of people

1176
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: like Pete Boodaget and Corey Booker. So never fear. It

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01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: just feels so try hard, you know, it just feels

1178
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: very like we're.

1179
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 4: Gonna be cool. We're going to do a thing. Here,

1180
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 4: we are doing a thing. I don't know. It just

1181
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 4: lands weird.

1182
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 3: And Hakim Jefferies is clearly his staff has clearly made

1183
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: a considered effort in the last couple of weeks to

1184
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 3: make sure that he does media mostly out of a suit.

1185
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 3: So like now they're putting him in a baseball cap

1186
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: and T shirts and his like sneakers. It's just so like,

1187
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 3: I'm casual every man, Like I'm just you know, your friend.

1188
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 3: It's very to your point, try hard, and it's so

1189
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 3: sudden it looks just cringe and it's again, we talked

1190
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 3: about this recently, but it's so strange for me because

1191
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 3: this used to be even like younger Republicans how they

1192
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 3: came across. And I'm not saying Republicans are like hip

1193
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: and spry either, because they're not. But it used to

1194
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 3: not be like this for Democrats, Like it used to

1195
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 3: be a lot easier for them, especially in the Obama era,

1196
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 3: to come across as normal human beings. But they're so

1197
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 3: they're overthinking it so much because they're so thrown off

1198
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: by like the youth shift and working class Hispanic voters.

1199
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 3: Some changes in the Black electorate, so it's just hard

1200
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 3: for them to figure out what they should do and

1201
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: they haven't landed on anything, so it ends up looking

1202
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 3: really awkward and there's no sign of that, you know,

1203
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 3: there's no sign of the light being at the end

1204
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 3: of that tunnel at all.

1205
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: And some of them, I mean, they're just so many

1206
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: of them are just like old and kind of lost

1207
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 2: at sea in the world of.

1208
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 4: Like the new social media.

1209
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: Like they be like, I should be doing a thing,

1210
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: but I don't really know what that thing is. And

1211
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: so much of this too, is like just stop trying

1212
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 2: to be something you're not. Like Keem Jeffries. You're never

1213
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: going to be a firebrand. You're never gonna be that

1214
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: like super relatable cool guy. That's just not who you are.

1215
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: I mean, look to go back to the Canada Black

1216
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 2: Mark Carney is like the ultimate technocrat and he just

1217
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: leans into it and people are like, Okay, that's who

1218
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: he is, you know. I mean Bernie Sanders, like he's

1219
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: not out there trying to do a thing. He just

1220
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: is himself. That's that's it. That's just stop trying so hard.

1221
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: On the other hand, I'd be remiss if I didn't say,

1222
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer's strategy, I'd just basically like wait around and

1223
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 2: let the Republicans hang themselves is kind of panning out.

1224
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: Not only have we covered extensively Trump's numbers at one

1225
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,959
Speaker 2: hundred days, obviously they're really bad across the board, even

1226
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: his best issue of immigration, he's now underwater, especially when

1227
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 2: you ask about specifics foreign policy. But most importantly, his

1228
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: economic numbers have fallen off a cliff, and predictably that

1229
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 2: is having a major packed on the down ballot races.

1230
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 2: I think Republicans just basically expect to lose the House

1231
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: at this point. It's almost like a foregone conclusion, given

1232
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: that we're nowhere near out of the woods with regard

1233
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: to the economic pain either. Harry Enton just did a

1234
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: piece on the unpopularity of the Republican Party and how

1235
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: it may translate to midterm losses. Let's go ahead and

1236
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 2: take a listen to that.

1237
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Speaker 10: Democrats versus Republicans. We have three polls out within the

1238
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 10: last few weeks.

1239
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 4: What do they all show?

1240
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 10: They all show the Democrats up by two points in

1241
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 10: the CNBC poll, the Fox News poll that was out

1242
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 10: on Friday. Look at that Democrats up by seven the

1243
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 10: New York Times poll that was out this Friday as well,

1244
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 10: Democrats by three. And keep in mind the House GOP

1245
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 10: won the popular vote back in twenty twenty four by

1246
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 10: a little less than three percentage points. So when you

1247
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 10: see three seven to two averaging four, that is a

1248
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 10: tremendous shift. That is a shift of seven points from

1249
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 10: the November twenty twenty four elections away from the GOP.

1250
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 10: You look at Trump's net federal rating in October of

1251
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 10: twenty twenty four coin in New York Times minus nine points.

1252
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 10: Look at where it is now minus thirty points among independence.

1253
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 10: That's horrific, that's historically awful. Take a look at the

1254
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 10: generic ballot in October of twenty twenty four. The Democrats

1255
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 10: were ahead, but only by three, well within the margin

1256
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 10: of our Look at where they are now, up seventeen points.

1257
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 10: There is no way on God's green earth that the

1258
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 10: Republicans can hold on to the House of Representatives if

1259
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 10: they lose independence by seventeen percentage points. My goodness, gracious.

1260
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 4: What do you think about that?

1261
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 3: M I mean like, this is despite Democrats' best efforts,

1262
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 3: I think, And that's part of this is interesting too.

1263
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 3: Did you see Alyssa slock and dropping like F bombs recently.

1264
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 4: Did you see the stories about that? I did not

1265
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 4: see that.

1266
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, The Hill had a whole story yesterday about how

1267
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 3: Dems are like embracing the F word, and my god,

1268
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 3: I feel like that happens every time a political party

1269
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 3: gets a little bit bestperate. But you know, it reminded

1270
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: me of the Hakim Jeffreys Corey Booker like just sitting

1271
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 3: on the steps chatting with people moment, because it's like, you, guys,

1272
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 3: what's working right now is Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Acosio

1273
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 3: Cortez going to Red States and holding fighting oligarchy, fighting

1274
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 3: oligarchy rallies, not Alyssa Slockin, you know, thinking that she's

1275
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 3: like a cool mom for dropping F bombs in an interview,

1276
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 3: like forcing herself to drop an F bomb in an interview.

1277
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 3: It g's just so bizarre. But I think the reason

1278
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 3: they're doing it, Crystal, is because they, like Hakim Jefferies

1279
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: and Corey Booker can't go full quote fight oligarchy. This

1280
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: is there and that's, by the way, what's good for

1281
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 3: the party, Uh, what's good for them would be to

1282
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 3: embrace this anti oligarch message, but because they are also

1283
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 3: bankrolled by oligarchs, they're uncomfortable with that messaging. And that's

1284
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 3: why Alissa Slockin is now explicitly pushing back against it.

1285
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 3: And I think it's why Hakim Jeffries and Corey Booker

1286
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: maybe they clear the very low bar of you know,

1287
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 3: looking like they have at least some energy and aren't

1288
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 3: you know connolly. But at the same time, I think

1289
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 3: what Trump is struggling with is coming without actually a

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Speaker 3: decent resistance from the Democratic Party, and so that goes

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Speaker 3: to show like, what could this be? Like I mean again,

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Speaker 3: like Donald Trump has barely won a couple of elections.

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Speaker 3: This man came off being the host of Celebrity Apprentice,

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Speaker 3: Like Hillary Clinton was terrible, Joe Biden was terrible, Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris was terrible. That's how bad Dems have been. It's

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Speaker 3: not any I think special testament to Donald Trump being

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Speaker 3: super attractive and likable. I think he's a smart politician

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Speaker 3: with his base. But it's not like the entire country

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Speaker 3: loves Donald Trump despite what he may say. It's just

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Speaker 3: that consistently Dems have been worse than Trump, except for Biden.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty in the middle of the pandemic. So

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Speaker 3: they in ten years they have not figured out a

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Speaker 3: way to be slightly better than Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, your point about slock In and Jefferson Booker too,

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01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 2: is really well taken. And I've never seen anything more

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Speaker 2: horror manufactured than the like pushing slot Eliza Slockin on us,

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Speaker 2: like no one wanted this. The Democratic leadership for some

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Speaker 2: reason was like this lady, she's the real future of

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Speaker 2: a party. We're gonna have her do the response to

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Speaker 2: the state of the Union. We're gonna have her lead

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Speaker 2: our effort to you know, tamp down all this anti

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Speaker 2: oligarchy talk that's getting a little too popular among our

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Speaker 2: normy Democrat base. But to your point, you know, I

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Speaker 2: think the I think the things that have really landed

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Speaker 2: with the liberal base has been number one, the Stop

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Speaker 2: Oligarchy Tour, the Fight Oligarchy Tour.

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Speaker 4: Number two.

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Speaker 2: You know, people like Jasmine Crockett who just can like

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Speaker 2: dish it out and really is it just has this

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Speaker 2: vibe and this energy. She's not going to take any shit,

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Speaker 2: and she's gonna like get out there and get in

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Speaker 2: your face. Whatever Cory Booker's speech, whether I like it

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Speaker 2: or not. I mean, listen, he did a thing, okay,

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Speaker 2: the like liberals loved it. The other thing is the

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Speaker 2: Chris van Holland going to El Salvador, which you know,

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Speaker 2: to me is a study in contrast between Core Booker's thing,

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Speaker 2: which was actually basically about nothing about like him positioning

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Speaker 2: himself as a resistance fighter, whereas Chris van Holland, you know,

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Speaker 2: he actually did a thing like he went. It was

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Speaker 2: a real issue, it was some personal riskue himself. It's

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Speaker 2: a risky political issue, and obviously Bikelly did all he

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Speaker 2: could to make the optics as terrible as possible, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think his actions really kept that

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Speaker 2: story alive and has helped to move public opinion dramatically

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Speaker 2: against the Trump administration, not only specifically in that case,

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Speaker 2: but that's what helped to drag them underwater on immigration

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Speaker 2: in general. So and since then you've seen some other

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Speaker 2: representatives and senators follow suit and going to visit people

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Speaker 2: who are detained because they you know, published an obed

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Speaker 2: or had some you know, pro Palestine speech or whatever.

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Speaker 2: You saw other members also travel down to El Salvador.

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Speaker 2: So that really set a model for for Democrats moving forward,

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Speaker 2: who actually wanted to do something and not just like

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Speaker 2: sit on the steps of the Capitol and talk about

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Speaker 2: how which they missed Barack Obama.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I think with the base, it makes

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Speaker 3: sense to me that that would be sort of that

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Speaker 3: all of that would be a shot in the arm.

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Speaker 3: I still think the van Holland and what was the

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Speaker 3: oh the uh yeah, Well, I think the van Holland

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Speaker 3: example in particular is like, I don't think they quite

1352
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 3: nailed the messaging for a broader audience, but I think

1353
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Speaker 3: he understood that what the Democratic Party's base, like the

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Speaker 3: grassroots type people want right now is someone to like

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Speaker 3: actually take personal risk and sect you.

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Speaker 2: No, I really disagree with that, and I think it

1357
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: shows up in the polling. I mean, when we were

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Speaker 2: looking yesterday at the best and the worst issues for Trump,

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Speaker 2: his best issue and this was the New York Times

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Speaker 2: Siena polling, which is, you know, considered to be one

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Speaker 2: of the more credible pollsters and they do a large sample,

1362
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Speaker 2: et cetera. Best polling numbers were on immigration, though he

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01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 2: was still underwater by four worst polling numbers was the

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Speaker 2: handling of Kilmara Brego Garcia, So I think. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the numbers I've seen are like twenty percent support what

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration is doing there. So I do believe

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Speaker 2: that the efforts of Chris van Holland and others to

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Speaker 2: shine a light on that and to consistently explain, you know,

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Speaker 2: this isn't really about this one guy, and however you

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Speaker 2: may feel about him, this is about due process for

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Speaker 2: all of us. This is about protecting all of our

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Speaker 2: rights and your right to have your day in court

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Speaker 2: before being sent for life to this you know, foreign

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Speaker 2: goolog I think it's undeniable at this point that that

1375
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Speaker 2: messaging has landed and that it has dramatically turned people

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Speaker 2: against the Trump administration's handling in that one specific case,

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Speaker 2: with bleedover into how they feel about the immigration program

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Speaker 2: read large.

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Speaker 3: I think people definitely agree with that sentiment. I don't

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Speaker 3: disagree that that's where the public has landed on it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a for me, it's an interesting case

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Speaker 3: study and how Dems can misread or not misread that's

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Speaker 3: the wrong word, how they can over maybe overread the

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Speaker 3: public's position. Like it's easy to say, and actually I

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Speaker 3: think Trump does this times too. It's easy to say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: the public is with us, this is a winning issue.

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Speaker 3: We can't be sending people to see caught on, you know,

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Speaker 3: mistakes that your own administration's attorneys, your own DJ attorneys

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Speaker 3: admit and like sucking up to the CALA and doing

1390
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Speaker 3: that weird stuff like nobody is like here for that.

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Speaker 3: I think what Van Holland did then looked like the

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Speaker 3: Trump administration was able to message it in a way

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Speaker 3: that probably resonated with a lot of people as Dems

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Speaker 3: actively trying to keep people who are not in the

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Speaker 3: country legally in the country, even though it's not what

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Speaker 3: the case is about. I think it's it's easy to

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Speaker 3: get we probably just disagree on it. I just think

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Speaker 3: it's easy to get caught in that trap of like

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Speaker 3: not sticking on the narrow issue, but then also looking

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Speaker 3: like you're in the position that most people disagree with

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Speaker 3: because you kind of misread where people are on the

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Speaker 3: narrow issue in and of itself. But we probably disagree

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Speaker 3: in that.

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Speaker 4: I mean I do.

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Speaker 2: I do just disagree with the assess meant there. And

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Speaker 2: I think at this point the polling bears it out

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Speaker 2: pretty clearly that, you know, because the Trump administration had

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Speaker 2: admitted fault in this case. It made it fairly clear

1409
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 2: cut of like you screwed up, bring the guy back,

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01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: like what are you doing? And also because the Trump

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Speaker 2: Trump himself was like, we're going for us born, you know,

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01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 2: homegrown criminals next, it didn't take any imagination to go, oh,

1413
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Speaker 2: this isn't just about rights for undocumented immigrants. This is

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01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 2: an assault on all He wants to be able to

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01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 2: send anybody he wants and disappear into this dungeon. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I think that really made it easier for

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Speaker 2: Democrats to make the case that this matters for everyone.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the.

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Speaker 2: Tariff stuff politically is obviously extremely toxic, and it's also

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Speaker 2: something that everyone is aware of their own material circumstances

1421
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Speaker 2: and the way they're being negatively impacted. So I think

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Speaker 2: they were able to push the message about kill Maara

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Speaker 2: Brego Garcia and the assault on rights and the way

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Speaker 2: that this the implications this has for the broader immigration agenda. Well,

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Speaker 2: obviously the tariff stuff is there and is not going

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Speaker 2: away anytime soon, but we can we can agree to

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Speaker 2: disagree on that one if you'd like, We'll come back

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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure another day.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Yeah, there'll be plenty to talk about.