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Speaker 1: It may seem a bit ironic that, after all the

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Speaker 1: never ending Trump complains about Hillary Clinton's emails, that it's

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Speaker 1: now Donald Trump Junior's emails that may be the most

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Speaker 1: damaging to him and the Trump administration. Trump Junior, then

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Speaker 1: Trump campaign chair Paul Manaford, and White House senior advisor

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Speaker 1: and presidential son in law Jared Kushner, not only met

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Speaker 1: with a Russian who promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: but Trump Junior also released an email chain that contradicts

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Speaker 1: months of assertions that investigations of possible campaign collusion with

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Speaker 1: Russia were nothing more than a part is in witch hunt.

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Speaker 1: Joining me as former federal prosecutor Jeff Kramer, who is

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Speaker 1: managing director of the Berkeley Research Group, Jeff, let's start

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Speaker 1: by focusing on Trump Junior, the man every government committee

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Speaker 1: an investigator seems to want to talk to. Now, what

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Speaker 1: criminal charges, if any, could he be facing? Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a tough one because, well, I think most

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Speaker 1: people would agree the meeting was improper for several reasons.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the crosses the line of criminality. UM,

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Speaker 1: I've heard some people talk about collusion, and that's not

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Speaker 1: really a criminal aspect, we can get to conspiracy, but

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Speaker 1: that begs the question conspiracy to commit what I think

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Speaker 1: the only thing that might be out there are some

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Speaker 1: election laws that prohibit UM people from getting something of

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Speaker 1: value from other nations with respect to two elections. That

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Speaker 1: might be something, but it begs the question whether or

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Speaker 1: not potential information is something of value. That that law

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Speaker 1: was was instituted to prevent moneys from flowing into the

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Speaker 1: United States from other countries. So right now I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure what crime, if any, uh Donald Trump Jr. Is facing.

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Speaker 1: Where does the email and that meeting fit into the

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Speaker 1: Muller investigation. That I think is the interesting part. I

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Speaker 1: think the email specifically uh Donald Trump Jr's willingness uh

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Speaker 1: to me was someone who was associated with Russian hierarchy,

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Speaker 1: although not part of the official government. UM. I think

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Speaker 1: investigation is gonna be very interested in that because it's

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Speaker 1: another data point as you look at other instances where

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Speaker 1: the Trump campaign may have been seeking help from the

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Speaker 1: Russian government, and that gets into possible obstruction and that

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Speaker 1: whole whole line. So I think the emails from his

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Speaker 1: you know, his own his own mouth as it were, UM,

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Speaker 1: I think is something the investigators are gonna look at

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Speaker 1: very carefully because it's the first time we've seen anyone

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Speaker 1: from the campaign while we've known they've had some meetings,

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Speaker 1: a willingness, a desire, if you will, even an anxiousness

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Speaker 1: to want to talk to the Russians. It seems that

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Speaker 1: one of the people who's most at risk because he's

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Speaker 1: in the White House right now is Jared Kushner. Could

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Speaker 1: he lose his security clearance? I think absolutely. Um, the

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Speaker 1: form he's filled out the it's called the s F

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Speaker 1: eight six, which is what you fill out for for

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Speaker 1: any sort of security clearance. Um, he's already had to

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Speaker 1: amend a couple of times, and in it he neglected

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Speaker 1: to put meetings with the Russians. Well, here's one more meeting,

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Speaker 1: so all one might forget one meeting possibly to it

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Speaker 1: kind of begs the question whether or not we're to

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Speaker 1: the point where his security clearance should be revoked. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much as always, that's Jeff Kramer, Managing director of

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Speaker 1: the Berkeley Research Group,