WEBVTT - Me, Myself and My Personal Brand

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<v Speaker 1>LinkedIn News. I really don't like when people say I

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<v Speaker 1>am an aspiring blank like people put it in their

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<v Speaker 1>bios all the time, aspiring copywriter, expiring executive, aspire. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you already are the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I say I'm an aspiring pastries.

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<v Speaker 1>You already are because you already used. You are because

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<v Speaker 1>think about it. You already go home, and you already cook,

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<v Speaker 1>and you already bake, and you already test it out.

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<v Speaker 1>The only difference between you and them is that they

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<v Speaker 1>have a restaurant. You don't have it yet.

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<v Speaker 3>From LinkedIn News and I heard podcasts, this is Let's

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<v Speaker 3>Talk Offline, a show about what it takes to thrive

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<v Speaker 3>in the early years of your career without sacrificing your values,

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<v Speaker 3>sanity or sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Giana Prudenti and I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Jamaie Jackson Gadson. Recently, guys, I've been thinking a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about personal branding and more importantly, how everyone has a

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<v Speaker 1>personal brand. Yes, even you. I know it's super cringey

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<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of uncomfortable, but the reality is there

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<v Speaker 1>is something that someone is saying about you in some

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<v Speaker 1>room that you are not in Now. The great thing

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<v Speaker 1>is you can learn how to own that perception and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully use it to your advantage. And crafting a personal

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<v Speaker 1>brand or narrative around your career and who you are

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<v Speaker 1>can also help lead to different connections, awesome opportunities, and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully some money in the process.

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<v Speaker 3>So a few years ago, I had literally no idea

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<v Speaker 3>what a personal brand even was. I was like, where

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<v Speaker 3>do I even be in and what does it even

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<v Speaker 3>mean to have a personal brand. Luckily, I've learned a

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<v Speaker 3>thing or two since then, So don't worry. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to break down how to think of yourself as a

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<v Speaker 3>brand and how to communicate who you are to the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Personal branding the branding of the personals, Gianna. I am

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<v Speaker 1>super excited for today's episode where we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking all about personal branding. But I know some of

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<v Speaker 1>the listeners are probably like, what even is a personal

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<v Speaker 1>brand and why is it even important? So I know

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<v Speaker 1>you can google what a personal brand is, but I

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<v Speaker 1>want to share with you my definition. So, a personal

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<v Speaker 1>brand is like a unique combination of your skills, your experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>your values, and your personality traits that not only defines you,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also helps differentiate you from other people. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not only how you present yourself to the world,

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<v Speaker 1>but also how the world receives you. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's really important to remember that your personal brand can

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<v Speaker 1>encompass both your personal and your professional lives, which obviously

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<v Speaker 1>has some differentiation, but there's a lot of similarity. So

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<v Speaker 1>why is a personal brand important now?

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<v Speaker 4>For me?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that once you really have an idea of

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<v Speaker 1>what your personal brand is, it helps unlock new opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this can be both financial opportunities, social opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>what have you. Because once people kind of know who

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<v Speaker 1>who you are, what you're about, and when you come

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<v Speaker 1>into a room what you stand on, they can actually

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<v Speaker 1>start to figure out is an alignment with this person's

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<v Speaker 1>brand or not. Jona, what do you think I've.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of thought about my personal brand like a reputation.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's been like the easiest way for me

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<v Speaker 3>to understand what can seem like a very abstract idea.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like what somebody says about you when you're

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<v Speaker 3>not in the room, and whatever you're posting, whatever you're

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<v Speaker 3>putting out there, that message is building equity in your

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<v Speaker 3>name and being at like everything is online now, it's

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<v Speaker 3>literally the message somebody receives when they come across your

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<v Speaker 3>LinkedIn profile, Like when I see Jammay's LinkedIn profile, who

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<v Speaker 3>is she? What is her brand? What is her profile

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<v Speaker 3>telling me? So it's really how somebody sees and discusses

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<v Speaker 3>your work. And when you think about your personal brand

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like a career story, it becomes your unique

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<v Speaker 3>value proposition or your elevator pitch or literally the answer

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<v Speaker 3>to tell me about yourself in an interview, which I

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<v Speaker 3>know we all dread. And here's the thing, Like it

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<v Speaker 3>might sound like I know what I'm talking about, but

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<v Speaker 3>just a year or so ago, the idea of personal

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<v Speaker 3>branding felt so overwhelming to me. I had never really

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<v Speaker 3>heard about it, so I didn't know what it meant.

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<v Speaker 3>And in my role at LinkedIn, I've been given a

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<v Speaker 3>platform to build this brand around my coverage and I've

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<v Speaker 3>been able to build a following through consistent posting largely

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<v Speaker 3>tied to my work. So all my gen Z coverage

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<v Speaker 3>nothing too personal. And a year or so ago, people

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<v Speaker 3>started reaching out to me for speaking engagements and they

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<v Speaker 3>would say, Gianna, you have a really strong personal brand.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love for you to speak on personal branding.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, hold up.

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<v Speaker 1>What is my brand?

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<v Speaker 2>It was not.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it was, but iden know where it was okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So I was like, okay, crap, what is my brand?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it saying? Like what's the message out here?

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember even before that, somebody once asked me

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<v Speaker 3>in an interview like Gianna, who are you? And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh my god, that's like the hardest, like

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<v Speaker 3>the easiest question, but so hard, like I'm a sister,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a friend, like the most robotic, wacky answer. But

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't given any thought to my personal brand, so

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't really articulate that. So people were reaching out

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<v Speaker 3>about personal branding opportunities and I said to myself, it's

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<v Speaker 3>time to figure this out. So I did a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of research, which included a podcast episode that you were

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<v Speaker 3>on with my manager Andrew Seaman has get Hired podcasts

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<v Speaker 3>where you talked about personal branding. And you truly are

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<v Speaker 3>the queen in this space, and you've done such an

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<v Speaker 3>incredible job over your career building that in such a

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<v Speaker 3>way that sets you apart from other people. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just like completely in all of that as is, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited to chat with you today about how

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<v Speaker 3>you've you know, built that brand early on and how

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<v Speaker 3>that shifted throughout your career, because it's something I'm giving

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of thought to now, so I would love

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<v Speaker 3>to know, like, when did you first think of yourself

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<v Speaker 3>as like, Okay, I'm Jimmay a brand.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that question, But first, let me take a

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<v Speaker 1>step back and say thank you. That means a lot

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<v Speaker 1>coming from you. I never really considered myself as a brand,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was at the time just creating, just to create,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really wanted to write about things that I

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<v Speaker 1>was passionate about. I had gone to college, I had

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<v Speaker 1>hung up my dream of being an actor at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at baby, look at me now, even my

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<v Speaker 1>dog is in commercials ha. But so I was working

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, okay, but I really like to write.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to research, and at that point I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to probably do something in the journalism space.

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<v Speaker 1>So senior year, I'm applying, applying, applying, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>getting anything back. By then, I was trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>to New York from DC, but I kept hitting this

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<v Speaker 1>wall and I started to get really frustrated. And after

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<v Speaker 1>having one experience with an editor who said that she

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<v Speaker 1>really liked my content, but she already had a black

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<v Speaker 1>girl on her team. I felt really ignited to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about race. And I was looking at people like Terry

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<v Speaker 1>Agans or Robin Gavon or these prominent black women who

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<v Speaker 1>were working at these credible outlets like The Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post, and they were talking about fashion, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were talking about it in a way that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>about the clothes. It was about what was happening in

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<v Speaker 1>the culture. And I said, I want to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I started my own blog because I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if nobody else is going to give me a chance,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do it myself. And so I started

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<v Speaker 1>The Blonde Misfit because I'm blonde, because I'm a natural blonde.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys don't ask no questions, okay, And so I

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<v Speaker 1>was writing essentially about what it felt like to be

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<v Speaker 1>a misfit, an outsider looking into an industry that would

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<v Speaker 1>not let me in. And that was the initial steps

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<v Speaker 1>of building community. Because really, I started the blog thinking

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only going to use this until I get my

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<v Speaker 1>foot in the door at Conde Nas or Hearst or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no intention of keeping this blog up. But

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<v Speaker 1>what ended up happening was when I finally did get

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<v Speaker 1>to New York and I finally did get the job

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<v Speaker 1>right working at a fashion magazine. Everybody was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just going to abandon us. You're not gonna keep

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<v Speaker 1>talking to us and telling us like how it is now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, you know what, yeah. So then

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<v Speaker 1>the blog continue to take shape and I was style

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<v Speaker 1>sharing different stories about my life in New York and

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<v Speaker 1>making friends. When I first started to get on speaking

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<v Speaker 1>panels and it's really beautiful. I will just say that

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<v Speaker 1>the beauty of age is wisdom and getting to look

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<v Speaker 1>back and seeing over my life. How this started off

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, I started off with the blog because

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<v Speaker 1>I was a writer. But then what ended up happening

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<v Speaker 1>was then as the blog continued to pick up, other

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<v Speaker 1>websites wanted to profile me. So now I was getting

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<v Speaker 1>my name out there through press features. Then I started

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<v Speaker 1>getting invited to people's podcasts, and I was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to hear me talk? Like I know you

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<v Speaker 1>guys probably would not believe this, but I never thought

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<v Speaker 1>people wanted to hear me or see me. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just behind a computer screen. And then people were like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh wait, this girl actually kind of can talk and

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<v Speaker 1>she can do some things. And then I started getting

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<v Speaker 1>invited to speak on panels, and then I started getting

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<v Speaker 1>invited to host panels, and so I just see all

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<v Speaker 1>of that to say that that day that I started

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<v Speaker 1>my blog, I never would have imagined that it would

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<v Speaker 1>turn into what it is today. But as time went on,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to learn that, yeah, I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>myself as a brand. I want myself to have brand colors,

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<v Speaker 1>I want myself to have a mission savement. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>myself as a Coca Cola or as a McDonald's, the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that you know that arch of McDonald's. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted you to see the logo of my brand or

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<v Speaker 1>see the name and be like, oh, yeah, I know

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<v Speaker 1>what that is. And I just kind of put myself

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<v Speaker 1>in that mentality by just showing up. It was really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fun because I got to capitalize on the

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<v Speaker 1>height of the blogging era and really putting myself out

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<v Speaker 1>there perfecting it, putting out what I like to call

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<v Speaker 1>them minimal viable product and just perfecting over time. So

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<v Speaker 1>it really was never a thing where I thought I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a brand, but over time I was like, I can

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<v Speaker 1>monetize this and I can also build new things. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is really why I say your personal brand can

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<v Speaker 1>start one way, but over the course of your career,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to constantly evolve and evolve and evolve.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is something that is really refreshing and reassuring,

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<v Speaker 3>because first off, I didn't realize you started the blah

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<v Speaker 3>misfit like what ten plus years ago. Yeah, that's where's

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<v Speaker 3>coming up this year? Oh ten years that's like insane.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's grown so much, but what it started out

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<v Speaker 3>as is not what it is today. And you were

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<v Speaker 3>just documenting your journey and a lot of people, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of gen Zers I speak to, were like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what to post about on LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 3>for example, but it literally is just posting your own journey, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's unique to you. So you were going through

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<v Speaker 3>this time of struggle and you were open and Canada

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<v Speaker 3>about it, and it's snowballed into this big, beautiful thing

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<v Speaker 3>that throughout that time helped you get opportunities, which I

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<v Speaker 3>think is like the biggest thing when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>personal branding is you just got to start somewhere and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, leverage your own experience when you do and

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<v Speaker 3>then those opportunities will come.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really a long term investment.

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely agree. And I also think that authenticity is

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the game here because I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>When I first launched my brand, I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be the very cookie cutter fashion editor, always on point,

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<v Speaker 1>and I realized and it actually was my boyfriend at

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<v Speaker 1>the time now husband, who was like, this is weird

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<v Speaker 1>because who you are at brunch and who you're putting

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<v Speaker 1>out out here in the streets is two different people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, but I can't be my most

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<v Speaker 1>authentic self out there. He was like, why not. If

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<v Speaker 1>they like you, which they do, you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>truthful and so yeah, when I first started, I did

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<v Speaker 1>not want to open up, but I did not want

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<v Speaker 1>to really tell the truth about a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to control the narrative. The minute I started

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<v Speaker 1>to make those adjustments and showing people the real me,

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<v Speaker 1>that was really when my world opened up. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>the minute I started being more authentic in being more

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<v Speaker 1>of who I am truly, whether you liked it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>it really helped me build community and essentially a network

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<v Speaker 1>of people who look out for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up after the break, we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>what it takes to build your personal brand. Spoiler, all

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<v Speaker 3>it takes is being you.

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<v Speaker 4>That's next.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're back talking about personal branding one on one,

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<v Speaker 3>and as we know, that can be very confusing and

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<v Speaker 3>challenging to figure out when.

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<v Speaker 2>You're early in your career.

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<v Speaker 3>There's still a lot I'm figuring out, even though I

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<v Speaker 3>spent the past few years, you know, trying to learn

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<v Speaker 3>what it takes to build a personal brand. And in

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<v Speaker 3>my coverage I speak to a lot of gen zers

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<v Speaker 3>who are also struggling with this, So I've compiled a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of their questions about how to even begin with

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<v Speaker 3>personal branding to asktimate to day is I'm putting you in.

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<v Speaker 2>The hot seat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I'm so excited. Are you ready? I'm We're here?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we're here.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to start off with first figuring out what

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<v Speaker 3>you want your personal brand to be.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you go about that? And is there an

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<v Speaker 1>exercise we can do totally? So I would say, first

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself what would you like to be known for?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if someone was just looking at a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of paper that had one or two sentences about you

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<v Speaker 1>and your unique value proposition, what would you want it

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<v Speaker 1>to say? So, Like, for the purposes of knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>we were going to talk about personal branding today, I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote out what my personal mission statement is. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I champion diverse voices and empower black and brown artists

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<v Speaker 1>in the fashion, beauty, and entertainment industries through authentic storytelling.

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<v Speaker 1>My mission is to show people that your dream life

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<v Speaker 1>is a life worth fighting for your elevator pitch. So

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to personal branding, you want to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what you want people to know you for. But

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<v Speaker 1>how to do that is really key here. So I

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<v Speaker 1>listed out three things that I think everyone can do.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first thing I wrote is that you should

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<v Speaker 1>identify your strengths and your passions. There's this really great

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<v Speaker 1>term called your zone of genius, which are things that

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<v Speaker 1>you are really really great at that also come easy

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<v Speaker 1>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I always think we ought to be operating in our

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<v Speaker 1>zone of genius. Right, So if something comes easy to

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<v Speaker 1>you and it's natural, and you also happen to be

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<v Speaker 1>good at it, maybe that's also where you want to

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<v Speaker 1>pursue your career. The next thing I would say is

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<v Speaker 1>gathering feedback. Now, this one is where it can get fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It can also get kind of weird. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're gonna get weird, let's get freaky, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Go to your family, ask me to

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<v Speaker 1>see your family, your friends, maybe you're even your manager

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<v Speaker 1>or a trusted a person in your life. Right ask

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<v Speaker 1>them like, if you had to describe me in three adjectives,

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<v Speaker 1>what would they be? Because honestly, you can use those

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<v Speaker 1>adjectives to inform your personal vision statement, mission statement, however

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<v Speaker 1>you want to label it. You also want to start

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<v Speaker 1>asking people what do you see me as an expert

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<v Speaker 1>in or where do you see that I can add

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<v Speaker 1>value and impact because the reality is these are the

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<v Speaker 1>people who are seeing things about you that you don't see.

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, even as scary as that is, the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why you want to do that is because you want

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that what people see you as is

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<v Speaker 1>how you see yourself and how you want to be seen.

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<v Speaker 1>And there sometimes can be a disconnect in those things,

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<v Speaker 1>which you want to figure out early on. The last

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<v Speaker 1>thing I will quickly say is refine your statement. You

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<v Speaker 1>might have to go through a couple of revisions, but

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<v Speaker 1>then you can share it with other people. You can

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<v Speaker 1>be like, what do you think do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>this matches up with who I am and how I'm

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<v Speaker 1>showing up. I think that's a great place to start.

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<v Speaker 1>And the great thing is this is something that is

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<v Speaker 1>industry agnostic. Everybody can do it. You can do it

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<v Speaker 1>in your first job, you can do it in your internship,

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<v Speaker 1>you can do it when you are the senior CEO.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone should have a personal vision statement that goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to their personal brand.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of industries, I think something that makes people hesitate

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to personal branding is that it feels

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<v Speaker 3>exclusive to people who are in creative roles like you

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<v Speaker 3>and I. So I'm wondering, what's your advice to people

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<v Speaker 3>who work maybe in like finance or healthcare? How should

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<v Speaker 3>they think about building a personal brand when they're maybe

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<v Speaker 3>not in such a public facing role.

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<v Speaker 1>That is such a great question, because I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you guys a little secret. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>make the mistake of thinking I am an extrovert. I

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<v Speaker 1>am an ambrovert, and I'm gonna say that because I

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<v Speaker 1>am extrovertive around people who I know. I obviously am

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<v Speaker 1>very extrovertive on social media. It's so much easier for

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<v Speaker 1>me to have social relationships than real ones, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>kid you not, I talk to the same four people

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. And I'm not joking when I say

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<v Speaker 1>it's literally for pretty much like it's like, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>bad I have to actually leave the house to socialize anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reason why I say that is because I

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<v Speaker 1>think people make also the assumption and that personal branding

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<v Speaker 1>is so easy if you're an extrovert, and I totally

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<v Speaker 1>get that. But my advice for introverts as well as

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<v Speaker 1>people to your point who are in maybe less public

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<v Speaker 1>facing roles, is understand that your personal brand exists whether

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<v Speaker 1>you want it to or not. What we're discussing here

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<v Speaker 1>is you having the power to determine what that brand is.

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<v Speaker 1>People are going to talk about you no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>I would say. Don't necessarily think that personal branding means

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<v Speaker 1>you always have to be external, you have to have

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<v Speaker 1>a large social media presence that you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>posting all the time. It's really about controlling the narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, and really making sure that again, how

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<v Speaker 1>you want to come across is being communicated. So personal

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<v Speaker 1>branding still matters, right, You can still if you work

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<v Speaker 1>in finance. You can absolutely create content, maybe even sharing

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<v Speaker 1>it on LinkedIn about how you do audits or how

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<v Speaker 1>you are getting your CPA license, or maybe you've decided

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go back for your MBA. Like there

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<v Speaker 1>is so much content and just the everyday thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>really I would say, we want to see the journey. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to just see a quote unquote overnight success,

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<v Speaker 1>because anyone who's been an overnight success is really at

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<v Speaker 1>least twenty years in the making. Like, so take the

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<v Speaker 1>pressure off of yourself to think that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be this inflated Like I get it. I wear pink

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<v Speaker 1>blazers with feathers, I get it. I am a very

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<v Speaker 1>like bold, out there person. But you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be to be successful. You just have to be you

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<v Speaker 1>and even just share a little bit of the journey

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<v Speaker 1>in the process. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think when you think about it as your career story,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really how you sell yourself in networking conversations. When

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<v Speaker 3>you're reaching out to people, let's say, over LinkedIn, how

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<v Speaker 3>do you explain who you are you know, in the

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<v Speaker 3>context of your professional life in interviews? How do you

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<v Speaker 3>position yourself across your cover letter and resume, Like, what

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<v Speaker 3>is the message people are getting when they look at

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<v Speaker 3>those materials when they look at your LinkedIn profile. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's like the way to kind of think

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<v Speaker 3>about it if you're not somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's like, I'm ready to post right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally, And I would definitely add to that that.

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<v Speaker 1>Really it's just about starting with where you are at

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<v Speaker 1>right now and understanding that you have something unique to

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<v Speaker 1>add to this conversation and that is also part of

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<v Speaker 1>your personal brand.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to bring up a question from one of

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<v Speaker 3>our listeners. Next this is Dear work Bestie, where we

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<v Speaker 3>answer your questions. This week's comes from Morgan and Nevada.

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<v Speaker 5>A question I have as a gen Z professional entering

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<v Speaker 5>the workforce is how can you start establishing a reputation

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<v Speaker 5>and credibility early in your career as you're building a

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<v Speaker 5>personal brand. Especially with social media and the Internet, it's

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<v Speaker 5>made it easier to put yourself out there, but it

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<v Speaker 5>also feels like there's more to consider when you're trying

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<v Speaker 5>to figure out what your personal brand is.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Morgan's question because figuring out what you want

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<v Speaker 3>your personal brand to be is only the first step.

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<v Speaker 2>And we talked about that before you then have to

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<v Speaker 2>communicate that.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, we've talked about posting a bit, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know how you position yourself in interviews and in networking.

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<v Speaker 3>But part of that too is building credibility, Like how

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<v Speaker 3>do you get people to actually buy into what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your advice to Morgan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's one word consistency. I think that what's really

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<v Speaker 1>important here is that you build credibility when people see

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<v Speaker 1>things over a period of time. For instance, Gianna, you've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about baking and how much you love cooking and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>If you said that one time to me and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the only time you ever mentioned it, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>just be like, yeah, she said it, but like she's

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<v Speaker 1>really not serious about it. Now if you keep talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it now, I'm like, oh, there's something really here, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And in many ways you have to keep kind of

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<v Speaker 1>putting it out there. And I think that's what scares people.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't like to be marketers of themselves. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>like talking about themselves. It's scary, right. We're not comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>because we have been taught as a society to downplay

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<v Speaker 1>our achievements. This is not the time for that. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if it just starts something as simple as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a this, and I'm a this, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a this, I do this. I specialize in that you

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<v Speaker 1>have to keep saying it. It's almost like affirmations to yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>The more you say it, the more it gets locked

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<v Speaker 1>into yourself, and the more that you keep saying it,

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<v Speaker 1>the more other people begin to see you as that. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where faith without works is dead. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>just say something and then not back it up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna talk the talk, you gotta walk the

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<v Speaker 1>walk too. That now also comes with showing up every

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<v Speaker 1>day authentically as that person you want to be treated

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<v Speaker 1>as an executive. You got to show up to work

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<v Speaker 1>as an executive. You got to carry yourself like one.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, for me, I was saying that I was

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<v Speaker 1>an actor before I even started editioning. Why I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to classes, I'm taking my voice classings, I'm working out,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing the things, I'm doing the work, and guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm doing things like some of it, yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>some of it is what is like delulu, like manifestation,

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<v Speaker 1>like but you have to believe it. And I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>passionate about it, because I really do think anyone can

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<v Speaker 1>change their life at the drop of a hat, the

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<v Speaker 1>minute you decide to take a bet on yourself. So

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<v Speaker 1>from Morgan, I would definitely say, be so delusionally aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>about who you want to be that you show up

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<v Speaker 1>every day and you speak life into being that person,

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<v Speaker 1>because at some point it's either going to be your

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<v Speaker 1>word against everybody else's. But if you've been putting in

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<v Speaker 1>the work, if you have the receipts, if you've been

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<v Speaker 1>showing up and you've been saying it, everybody else has

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<v Speaker 1>no other option but to support your vision for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Let's say you're like at a networking event

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<v Speaker 3>and you introduce yourself and you basically are sharing your

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<v Speaker 3>personal brand, like who you are, what you care about,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, your interests, your strengths. Someone's then gonna go

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<v Speaker 3>connect with you on LinkedIn and then they're going to see, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, does her career experience align with this, does

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<v Speaker 3>her boud section align with that? I mean, they're not

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<v Speaker 3>literally going there and asking that. Maybe they are, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a way for people to kind of,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, check what you're saying even if they don't

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<v Speaker 3>realize they're doing it consciously. They want to see the

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<v Speaker 3>posts that you're putting out there. Does it align with

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<v Speaker 3>kind of what you said?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? And that's kind of why. Fun fact, I really

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<v Speaker 1>don't like when people say I am an aspiring blank

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<v Speaker 1>like people put it in their bio all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>aspiring copywriter, expiring executive, aspire. Baby, you already are the

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<v Speaker 1>thing I say.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an aspiring pastry.

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<v Speaker 1>You already are because you already us you are, because

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<v Speaker 1>think about it. You already go home and you already cook,

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<v Speaker 1>and you already bake, and you already test it out.

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<v Speaker 1>The only difference between you and them is that they

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<v Speaker 1>have a restaurant. You don't have it yet, thanks to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But think about it, because if you keep selling yourself

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<v Speaker 1>you're aspiring. You are already sort of putting a mental

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<v Speaker 1>glass ceiling on yourself that you haven't arrived yet. But

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<v Speaker 1>the minute you tell yourself, actually, I've already arrived. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just everybody else hasn't seen it yet. Like, honey, I

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<v Speaker 1>already know Lionsgate is gonna come knocking on my door

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<v Speaker 1>one day. Okay, I'm already carrying myself in the way

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to be. I'm going to stay ready

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't have to get ready. And that's just it.

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<v Speaker 1>The minute you realize that this is what you do

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<v Speaker 1>for your personal brand, the universe conspires in your favor

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't believe anything else. That's my delusionalness coming in.

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<v Speaker 3>If we're going to be Jululu, be it for yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>I might as well be for yourself. Morgan mentioned social

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<v Speaker 3>media making it easier to put yourself out there, and

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<v Speaker 3>we talked a bit before. Or You mentioned having a

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<v Speaker 3>social media presence, and I remember when I started at LinkedIn,

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<v Speaker 3>I was so fearful to even start posting, even though

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<v Speaker 3>I was literally getting paid to do that, because I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, my friends are going to see this,

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<v Speaker 3>what are they going to think? And I talked to

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<v Speaker 3>myself out of posting so many times. Luckily, I've really

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<v Speaker 3>worked on getting, you know, outside of my comfort zone

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<v Speaker 3>over the last few years.

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<v Speaker 2>But great, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm wondering for others who are just getting started.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you need to have a strong social media presence

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<v Speaker 3>to have a strong personal brand? Are those two things

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<v Speaker 3>mutually exclusive?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say, I said no. I would say

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<v Speaker 1>for certain industries. Obviously it pays to be more front facing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you find that you don't necessarily need a

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<v Speaker 1>social media presence in order to be marketable, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say still do the exercise that we discussed and really

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you lock down your vision or your mission statement,

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<v Speaker 1>because you can use that when you go into job

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<v Speaker 1>interviews and when you're talking through your resume. I always

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<v Speaker 1>say social media can be a good tool in your

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<v Speaker 1>toolkit if used correctly. So a couple of mistakes that

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<v Speaker 1>I see is when people try to be too many places,

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<v Speaker 1>too many times, lock one platform down and then expand.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying this not just because I work here, but

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<v Speaker 1>because I genuinely have seen the fruit of the labor

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<v Speaker 1>here that LinkedIn I think is a really great place

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<v Speaker 1>for people to start out. First of all, we have

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<v Speaker 1>so many different formats. You have short form video, we

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<v Speaker 1>have LinkedIn live if you want to go long. We

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<v Speaker 1>have newsletters. You know, Gianna, you've been running a great

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<v Speaker 1>newsletter for years. There are so many different tools we

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<v Speaker 1>already have here, and I know, like then the caveat

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<v Speaker 1>of that is that people are like, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>a professional platform. How am I supposed to show up

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<v Speaker 1>baby by sharing your story, just by starting there. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have just graduated, like document the jobs maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to call out the names of them,

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 1>but the companies and when things that you're learning in

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the process that first internship, I bet you you walked

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<v Speaker 1>out better than you came in. Those are things that

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you can start sharing now. And even though you don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's part of your brand, it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>is because everything is building this holistic idea and image

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 1>of you. So there's just so many ways that you

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<v Speaker 1>can flip storytelling on social media that I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>like to take the ick or the fear out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just start with what you know. At the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, as I am going to continue to say,

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<v Speaker 1>oh a brand authenticity is the name of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you cannot be anyone else but you, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>no one else deserves that seat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I have.

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<v Speaker 3>Been loving everything you're sharing, but I have one last

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 3>question for you. You know, you build this personal brand, you

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<v Speaker 3>do all the work, you've taken time and energy and

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<v Speaker 3>invested into doing it. How do you then leverage that

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<v Speaker 3>personal brand to find your next opportunity?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so I would say that you can leverage a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of different ways. And again it goes back to

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:06.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of your industry. This is honestly where industry research

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>is gonna come. Okay, market research. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a certain industry, you kind of need to

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<v Speaker 1>see who the movers and shakers are, what companies you

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<v Speaker 1>would want to work for, because it's gonna sort of

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<v Speaker 1>give you a vibe check.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>So, like, let's say, for instance, I am a new

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>grad who wants to work in marketing, and so I start,

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, googling and finding out different cmos chief marketing

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 1>officers for those who don't know, and I'm like, Okay,

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to aspire to be like this one. I'll

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 1>just use Bozma Saint John because she's just who I'm

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 1>thinking of off top of mind. You might go on

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:36.680
<v Speaker 1>her Instagram, you might go on her LinkedIn. You start

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>to see how she's creating content. Now, what did I

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 1>say earlier? You are not an aspiring marketer. You already

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>are a marketer. Okay, So now you're like, all right, she's

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 1>posting consistently, she's posting a little of her personal she's

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:53.399
<v Speaker 1>posting her professional wins, I'm going to start doing the same.

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.239
<v Speaker 1>That is how you start building up the portfolio. And

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<v Speaker 1>now when you want to go and apply for X,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, job or whatever. Usually in a job application

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>they ask for links, websites, whatever. This is where you

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>can start sharing out your portfolio. Now, I know someone

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>out here saying, okay, but you may this is for

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 1>the creative folk. What I do and find it is

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>same thing. If you have cultivated or curated a digital

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 1>portfolio of some sort, you can absolutely share that. I

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>think a lot about how we have so many healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>professionals on LinkedIn. We have doctors, we have nurse practitioners,

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 1>we have everyone in between, and they are consistently creating

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.880
<v Speaker 1>content on LinkedIn about becoming a new grad or going

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<v Speaker 1>to med school or whatever the process. That is all

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:35.679
<v Speaker 1>fair game.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, even like what's going on in

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<v Speaker 3>the healthcare industry, like news that's impacting your job.

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<v Speaker 1>I need you now tell me what to do and

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>tell people to keep washing their hands, because I think

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>some people have stopped knowing that. It's really great. Yeah,

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>but what I'm but essentially what I'm saying is you

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>can leverage all of that and actually that is a

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<v Speaker 1>great way when you are filling up those job applications

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<v Speaker 1>for you to say I'm already talking about this. I

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<v Speaker 1>am already because again, the reason why your personal brand

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>is so important is because it differentiates you from other people,

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>including your competition. You have to show why would I

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 1>go out and nowadays getting a job is hard. I

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>know friends who are out here applying for two three,

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 1>four hundred jobs who have been laid off for a year,

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<v Speaker 1>year and a half. Whatever it is rough out here,

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>it is full on hunger games. So what are you

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>bringing to the table that is different than everybody else?

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Your personal brand is that? And if you are already

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<v Speaker 1>creating content, why would I not take the bet on you?

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>At least I know that you can talk about this

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.959
<v Speaker 1>versus someone who's just said, Hi, I just got my degree.

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything behind me. I don't have no receipts,

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>no samples, no nothing, just vibes. Can I come up

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>here and drink the macha? No? No, no, no.

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>So true.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take a short break, but stick around because

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>there's still plenty more to come.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Tomay, I love everything you shared and I love

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 3>just getting to learn more about your own journey and

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 3>something I've been curious about since I listened to that podcast.

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Episode a year ago.

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<v Speaker 3>So I really appreciate you sharing all of that with me.

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 3>And I think I totally need to revisit my mission statement.

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I actually did write it before the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna read it, but yeah, it's like not it.

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 3>I need to, you know, think about my identity outside

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 3>of my job title, which I still feel tied to

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 3>because that's how I started my personal brand. So I'm

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 3>going to revise my mission statement just so I can

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 3>better articulate, like what I'm passionate about, what I'm interested

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 3>in outside of just like being tied to a company

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 3>and with a certain job title. And also I'm gonna

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 3>ask for feedback. I think that was such a good tip,

0:30:56.560 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 3>because you want to know if your messaging is land right,

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 3>Like you could do it for so long and then

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 3>somebody's like, oh, that's not really what I thought you

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 3>were about. So I think that's a really good piece

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 3>of advice, is to ask people closest to you, like,

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 3>if you had to describe me in the context of

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 3>my professional career, what would you say, and collect that

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 3>and you know, pivot revise, do all the things after.

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 2>So those are my two action items.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that I cannot wait to hear your personal

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>mission statement. But everything you said is so true, and

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that the minute you detach yourself from a

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>job and think more about, like what is the holistic

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>arch of your life, then that will also help inform

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>you for other roles right and other opportunities down the road.

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 1>For me, I really want to emphasize three things. First

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 1>of all, remembering that authenticity is key. You are you.

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I always like to say you are your superpower. Nobody

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>else can be you. No one else deserves to be you,

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and if you were not you, then who would be?

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>So you have to be you and you have to

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>be true. Second, write the vision. Make it plain. It's

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>that simple. Write it out, put it on pen and paper,

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>articulate it. Workshop it. It's okay if you have to

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 1>go through multiple rounds. I'm gonna give you guys a

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 1>little tip. Open up, chat GPT, ask it some questions,

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 1>tell it you know, adjectives that you have that people

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>have given to you. Workshop your vision and if it aligns,

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 1>it aligns, and then pivot if you need to. And

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>then last personally, not least be consistent. One thing I

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 1>did not mention earlier that I think consistency also entails

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>is making sure that you're getting the same person, even

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 1>if it's a slightly different variation on every platform. If

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>you go to my Instagram, you go to my LinkedIn,

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>you go to my Twitter, you go to my TikTok,

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>you go to my website, you're gonna see Jamay. It's

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>going to be a different version of jam because obviously,

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, I can cut up a little bit more

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 1>on some places versus not. But at the end of

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 1>the day, you're going to say this is Jammy Jackson,

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>and I know that for a fact. So your consistency

0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 1>is also about showing up in the places where you

0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 1>need to show up and being true to yourself in

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the process. So speaking about being true to yourself, Gianna,

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I gotta be true to myself. I love cooler cringe.

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 4>Ah.

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>It is my favorite thing, Emma, because it is such

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>a fun way for us to figure out what is

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>cool versus what is cringe. And in this little part

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 1>of the show, we like to present something to you all,

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 1>and Gianna and I like to discuss if it is

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<v Speaker 1>in fact cool or it is cringe. So, Gianna, what

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<v Speaker 1>do we have this week?

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<v Speaker 2>This is a spicey on? Oh I love spice dating

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<v Speaker 2>your coworkers. Ooh, you've been there, dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you like to go first? What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>about that? Gianna?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's cool as long as there's like some

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<v Speaker 3>degree of separation between you and the person. So like

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<v Speaker 3>direct team is kind of you know, that could get messy.

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<v Speaker 1>That could get really messy. Really message what if someone

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<v Speaker 1>got promoted over the other person.

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<v Speaker 3>Or just like you break up and then you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's work on this project together.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I would not work on no project. You're on

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<v Speaker 1>your own body.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally great.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it's okay as long as there's some

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<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe they're on a different team or they

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<v Speaker 3>work in like a different office. Great, And I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like that's good. Like you need healthy separation too, Like

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<v Speaker 3>you don't want to be like potentially living with this person,

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<v Speaker 3>going to work every day, seeing them every day. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think there that's like a healthy level of separation

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<v Speaker 3>too that you want. So yeah, I don't know, I've

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<v Speaker 3>never experienced this myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, have you ever had to, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, figure out no office romance. Okay, what about you?

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of want that for you. But now, like

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<v Speaker 1>we both worked here, instead of be like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, who's Gianna's bow. I have dated a

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<v Speaker 1>coworker before, but we were not on the same team.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't have the same job function our entire days were.

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<v Speaker 1>It's completely different, and so I think that's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>where it was fun. And it was kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was cute. You know, oh, I see you up

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<v Speaker 1>in the lunch line boot, you know you want to

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<v Speaker 1>take a walk with me to go get coffee and

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<v Speaker 1>hold my hand. But wholl that didn't last. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>is this your husband? No, it is not, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is okay, y because I'm trying. I want my husband

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<v Speaker 1>to work to work with me so we can do

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<v Speaker 1>the same things. He's like, absolutely not only can, He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can take you on doses.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>But I say the same thing. I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool as long as you have boundaries. Obviously, still

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<v Speaker 1>keep a professional. Okay, no hanky panky in the office, please,

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<v Speaker 1>I do not need to know what y'all been up

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<v Speaker 1>to with your weekends, with your nights. I don't stop

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<v Speaker 1>getting so close to each other. Stand away what is

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be weird, you know, especially at the company holiday party.

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<v Speaker 1>Not be weird because I'm gonna call you out. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>aa spray you with a spray bottle. You being weird, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>spray bottle. It's a little too hot up in heare.

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<v Speaker 3>I think when people can start picking up on like

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<v Speaker 3>to they have a vibe, that's when you know.

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<v Speaker 1>When other people start getting uncomfortable because they're like, something

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<v Speaker 1>itchy is happening here and I don't know what that's about.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do that. Don't make the block hot, essentially, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's when it can get into the cringe territory. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just say, also, just be mindful. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had friends who have dated their bosses. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is an absolute that's a no no. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>had one friend who was dealing with her manager's manager

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<v Speaker 1>like so she always would be like, he can't say

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to me. I'm like, sis, you're playing a dangerous game.

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<v Speaker 1>So like I would say, like, aside from like the

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<v Speaker 1>fun juiciness of it all, I get it. We're young,

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<v Speaker 1>we're hot. Everything is still sitting pretty and whatnot. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, baby, but just be careful about how

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<v Speaker 1>you run in these streets because these streets will run

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<v Speaker 1>up on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow.

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<v Speaker 3>But also you're like spending so much time at work,

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<v Speaker 3>so I think it's natural for people to find you

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<v Speaker 3>know a partner at work. I think you also just

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<v Speaker 3>have to be mindful of the policies not to be

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<v Speaker 3>like such an arc. But you probably have to disclose

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<v Speaker 3>that it is in your employee hand but read your

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<v Speaker 3>employee handbook.

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<v Speaker 1>Do not get god.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you guys let us know cool or cring dating

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<v Speaker 3>or coworkers, and if you have some stories to share,

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<v Speaker 3>we want to hear them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we both are collectively cool cool ringing cool, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>cool ringing. We're ordering cringe if you go about it

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<v Speaker 1>at the don't be freaky kids out there, So guys,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be a freaky kid cooler cringe, but more poorlyan.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you've enjoyed this entire episode. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for listening.

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