1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: LinkedIn News. I really don't like when people say I 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: am an aspiring blank like people put it in their 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: bios all the time, aspiring copywriter, expiring executive, aspire. Maybe 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: you already are the thing. 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 2: I say I'm an aspiring pastries. 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: You already are because you already used. You are because 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: think about it. You already go home, and you already cook, 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: and you already bake, and you already test it out. 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: The only difference between you and them is that they 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: have a restaurant. You don't have it yet. 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: From LinkedIn News and I heard podcasts, this is Let's 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: Talk Offline, a show about what it takes to thrive 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 3: in the early years of your career without sacrificing your values, 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: sanity or sleep. 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: I'm Giana Prudenti and I'm. 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 1: Jamaie Jackson Gadson. Recently, guys, I've been thinking a lot 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: about personal branding and more importantly, how everyone has a 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: personal brand. Yes, even you. I know it's super cringey 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: and it's kind of uncomfortable, but the reality is there 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: is something that someone is saying about you in some 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: room that you are not in Now. The great thing 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: is you can learn how to own that perception and 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: hopefully use it to your advantage. And crafting a personal 24 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: brand or narrative around your career and who you are 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: can also help lead to different connections, awesome opportunities, and 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: hopefully some money in the process. 27 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 3: So a few years ago, I had literally no idea 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: what a personal brand even was. I was like, where 29 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 3: do I even be in and what does it even 30 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: mean to have a personal brand. Luckily, I've learned a 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 3: thing or two since then, So don't worry. We're going 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: to break down how to think of yourself as a 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: brand and how to communicate who you are to the world. 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: Personal branding the branding of the personals, Gianna. I am 35 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: super excited for today's episode where we're going to be 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: talking all about personal branding. But I know some of 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: the listeners are probably like, what even is a personal 38 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: brand and why is it even important? So I know 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: you can google what a personal brand is, but I 40 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: want to share with you my definition. So, a personal 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: brand is like a unique combination of your skills, your experiences, 42 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: your values, and your personality traits that not only defines you, 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: but it also helps differentiate you from other people. This 44 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: is not only how you present yourself to the world, 45 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: but also how the world receives you. And I think 46 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: it's really important to remember that your personal brand can 47 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: encompass both your personal and your professional lives, which obviously 48 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: has some differentiation, but there's a lot of similarity. So 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: why is a personal brand important now? 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 4: For me? 51 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: I think that once you really have an idea of 52 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: what your personal brand is, it helps unlock new opportunities. 53 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean this can be both financial opportunities, social opportunities, 54 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: what have you. Because once people kind of know who 55 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: who you are, what you're about, and when you come 56 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: into a room what you stand on, they can actually 57 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: start to figure out is an alignment with this person's 58 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: brand or not. Jona, what do you think I've. 59 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: Kind of thought about my personal brand like a reputation. 60 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: I think that's been like the easiest way for me 61 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: to understand what can seem like a very abstract idea. 62 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 3: So it's like what somebody says about you when you're 63 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 3: not in the room, and whatever you're posting, whatever you're 64 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 3: putting out there, that message is building equity in your 65 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: name and being at like everything is online now, it's 66 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: literally the message somebody receives when they come across your 67 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 3: LinkedIn profile, Like when I see Jammay's LinkedIn profile, who 68 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: is she? What is her brand? What is her profile 69 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: telling me? So it's really how somebody sees and discusses 70 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: your work. And when you think about your personal brand 71 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: kind of like a career story, it becomes your unique 72 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: value proposition or your elevator pitch or literally the answer 73 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: to tell me about yourself in an interview, which I 74 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: know we all dread. And here's the thing, Like it 75 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: might sound like I know what I'm talking about, but 76 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: just a year or so ago, the idea of personal 77 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: branding felt so overwhelming to me. I had never really 78 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: heard about it, so I didn't know what it meant. 79 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: And in my role at LinkedIn, I've been given a 80 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: platform to build this brand around my coverage and I've 81 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 3: been able to build a following through consistent posting largely 82 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: tied to my work. So all my gen Z coverage 83 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 3: nothing too personal. And a year or so ago, people 84 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: started reaching out to me for speaking engagements and they 85 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: would say, Gianna, you have a really strong personal brand. 86 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: I would love for you to speak on personal branding. 87 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: And I was like, hold up. 88 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: What is my brand? 89 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: It was not. 90 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: I mean it was, but iden know where it was okay, 91 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, crap, what is my brand? 92 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: What is it saying? Like what's the message out here? 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: And I remember even before that, somebody once asked me 94 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 3: in an interview like Gianna, who are you? And I 95 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, that's like the hardest, like 96 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: the easiest question, but so hard, like I'm a sister, 97 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: I'm a friend, like the most robotic, wacky answer. But 98 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: I hadn't given any thought to my personal brand, so 99 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: I couldn't really articulate that. So people were reaching out 100 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: about personal branding opportunities and I said to myself, it's 101 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: time to figure this out. So I did a lot 102 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 3: of research, which included a podcast episode that you were 103 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: on with my manager Andrew Seaman has get Hired podcasts 104 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 3: where you talked about personal branding. And you truly are 105 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: the queen in this space, and you've done such an 106 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 3: incredible job over your career building that in such a 107 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 3: way that sets you apart from other people. So I'm 108 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: just like completely in all of that as is, and 109 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: I'm so excited to chat with you today about how 110 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: you've you know, built that brand early on and how 111 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: that shifted throughout your career, because it's something I'm giving 112 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 3: a lot of thought to now, so I would love 113 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: to know, like, when did you first think of yourself 114 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: as like, Okay, I'm Jimmay a brand. 115 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: I love that question, But first, let me take a 116 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: step back and say thank you. That means a lot 117 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: coming from you. I never really considered myself as a brand, 118 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: and I was at the time just creating, just to create, 119 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: and I really wanted to write about things that I 120 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: was passionate about. I had gone to college, I had 121 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: hung up my dream of being an actor at that time. 122 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: I look at baby, look at me now, even my 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: dog is in commercials ha. But so I was working 124 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, but I really like to write. 125 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: I like to research, and at that point I was like, okay, 126 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to probably do something in the journalism space. 127 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: So senior year, I'm applying, applying, applying, and I'm not 128 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: getting anything back. By then, I was trying to get 129 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: to New York from DC, but I kept hitting this 130 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: wall and I started to get really frustrated. And after 131 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: having one experience with an editor who said that she 132 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: really liked my content, but she already had a black 133 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: girl on her team. I felt really ignited to talk 134 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: about race. And I was looking at people like Terry 135 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: Agans or Robin Gavon or these prominent black women who 136 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: were working at these credible outlets like The Wall Street Journal, 137 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: the Washington Post, and they were talking about fashion, but 138 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: they were talking about it in a way that wasn't 139 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: about the clothes. It was about what was happening in 140 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: the culture. And I said, I want to do that. 141 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: So I started my own blog because I was like, well, 142 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: if nobody else is going to give me a chance, 143 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to do it myself. And so I started 144 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: The Blonde Misfit because I'm blonde, because I'm a natural blonde. 145 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: You guys don't ask no questions, okay, And so I 146 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: was writing essentially about what it felt like to be 147 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: a misfit, an outsider looking into an industry that would 148 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: not let me in. And that was the initial steps 149 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: of building community. Because really, I started the blog thinking 150 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm only going to use this until I get my 151 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: foot in the door at Conde Nas or Hearst or whatever. 152 00:07:59,160 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: Like. 153 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: I had no intention of keeping this blog up. But 154 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: what ended up happening was when I finally did get 155 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: to New York and I finally did get the job 156 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: right working at a fashion magazine. Everybody was like, wait, 157 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: you're just going to abandon us. You're not gonna keep 158 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: talking to us and telling us like how it is now, 159 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, yeah. So then 160 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: the blog continue to take shape and I was style 161 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: sharing different stories about my life in New York and 162 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 1: making friends. When I first started to get on speaking 163 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: panels and it's really beautiful. I will just say that 164 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: the beauty of age is wisdom and getting to look 165 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: back and seeing over my life. How this started off 166 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: because you know, I started off with the blog because 167 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: I was a writer. But then what ended up happening 168 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: was then as the blog continued to pick up, other 169 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: websites wanted to profile me. So now I was getting 170 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: my name out there through press features. Then I started 171 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: getting invited to people's podcasts, and I was like, wait, 172 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: you want to hear me talk? Like I know you 173 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: guys probably would not believe this, but I never thought 174 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: people wanted to hear me or see me. I was 175 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: just behind a computer screen. And then people were like, 176 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: oh wait, this girl actually kind of can talk and 177 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: she can do some things. And then I started getting 178 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: invited to speak on panels, and then I started getting 179 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: invited to host panels, and so I just see all 180 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: of that to say that that day that I started 181 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: my blog, I never would have imagined that it would 182 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: turn into what it is today. But as time went on, 183 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: I had to learn that, yeah, I want to see 184 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: myself as a brand. I want myself to have brand colors, 185 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: I want myself to have a mission savement. I saw 186 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: myself as a Coca Cola or as a McDonald's, the 187 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: same way that you know that arch of McDonald's. I 188 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: wanted you to see the logo of my brand or 189 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: see the name and be like, oh, yeah, I know 190 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: what that is. And I just kind of put myself 191 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: in that mentality by just showing up. It was really 192 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: kind of fun because I got to capitalize on the 193 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: height of the blogging era and really putting myself out 194 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: there perfecting it, putting out what I like to call 195 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: them minimal viable product and just perfecting over time. So 196 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: it really was never a thing where I thought I'm 197 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: a brand, but over time I was like, I can 198 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: monetize this and I can also build new things. So 199 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: this is really why I say your personal brand can 200 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: start one way, but over the course of your career, 201 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: you're going to constantly evolve and evolve and evolve. 202 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 3: I think that is something that is really refreshing and reassuring, 203 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: because first off, I didn't realize you started the blah 204 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: misfit like what ten plus years ago. Yeah, that's where's 205 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: coming up this year? Oh ten years that's like insane. 206 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: So it's grown so much, but what it started out 207 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: as is not what it is today. And you were 208 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: just documenting your journey and a lot of people, a 209 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 3: lot of gen Zers I speak to, were like, well, 210 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 3: I don't even know what to post about on LinkedIn 211 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: for example, but it literally is just posting your own journey, right, 212 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: Like that's unique to you. So you were going through 213 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: this time of struggle and you were open and Canada 214 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: about it, and it's snowballed into this big, beautiful thing 215 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: that throughout that time helped you get opportunities, which I 216 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: think is like the biggest thing when it comes to 217 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: personal branding is you just got to start somewhere and 218 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: you know, leverage your own experience when you do and 219 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: then those opportunities will come. 220 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: It's really a long term investment. 221 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. And I also think that authenticity is 222 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: the name of the game here because I'm not gonna lie. 223 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: When I first launched my brand, I was trying to 224 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: be the very cookie cutter fashion editor, always on point, 225 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: and I realized and it actually was my boyfriend at 226 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: the time now husband, who was like, this is weird 227 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: because who you are at brunch and who you're putting 228 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: out out here in the streets is two different people. 229 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, but I can't be my most 230 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: authentic self out there. He was like, why not. If 231 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: they like you, which they do, you have to be 232 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: truthful and so yeah, when I first started, I did 233 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: not want to open up, but I did not want 234 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: to really tell the truth about a lot of things. 235 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to control the narrative. The minute I started 236 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: to make those adjustments and showing people the real me, 237 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: that was really when my world opened up. And honestly, 238 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: the minute I started being more authentic in being more 239 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: of who I am truly, whether you liked it or not, 240 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: it really helped me build community and essentially a network 241 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: of people who look out for me. 242 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, we're going to talk about 243 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 3: what it takes to build your personal brand. Spoiler, all 244 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: it takes is being you. 245 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 4: That's next. 246 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 3: So we're back talking about personal branding one on one, 247 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 3: and as we know, that can be very confusing and 248 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: challenging to figure out when. 249 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: You're early in your career. 250 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: There's still a lot I'm figuring out, even though I 251 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: spent the past few years, you know, trying to learn 252 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: what it takes to build a personal brand. And in 253 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: my coverage I speak to a lot of gen zers 254 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: who are also struggling with this, So I've compiled a 255 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: lot of their questions about how to even begin with 256 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: personal branding to asktimate to day is I'm putting you in. 257 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: The hot seat. 258 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm so excited. Are you ready? I'm We're here? 259 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: Maybe we're here. 260 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: I want to start off with first figuring out what 261 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 3: you want your personal brand to be. 262 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: How do you go about that? And is there an 263 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: exercise we can do totally? So I would say, first 264 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: ask yourself what would you like to be known for? 265 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: You know, if someone was just looking at a piece 266 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: of paper that had one or two sentences about you 267 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: and your unique value proposition, what would you want it 268 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: to say? So, Like, for the purposes of knowing that 269 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: we were going to talk about personal branding today, I 270 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: wrote out what my personal mission statement is. I said, 271 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: I champion diverse voices and empower black and brown artists 272 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: in the fashion, beauty, and entertainment industries through authentic storytelling. 273 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: My mission is to show people that your dream life 274 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: is a life worth fighting for your elevator pitch. So 275 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to personal branding, you want to figure 276 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: out what you want people to know you for. But 277 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: how to do that is really key here. So I 278 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: listed out three things that I think everyone can do. 279 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: So the first thing I wrote is that you should 280 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: identify your strengths and your passions. There's this really great 281 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: term called your zone of genius, which are things that 282 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: you are really really great at that also come easy 283 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: to you. 284 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: Right. 285 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: I always think we ought to be operating in our 286 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: zone of genius. Right, So if something comes easy to 287 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: you and it's natural, and you also happen to be 288 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: good at it, maybe that's also where you want to 289 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: pursue your career. The next thing I would say is 290 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: gathering feedback. Now, this one is where it can get fun. 291 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: It can also get kind of weird. But I was like, 292 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: if we're gonna get weird, let's get freaky, you know 293 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: what I mean? Go to your family, ask me to 294 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: see your family, your friends, maybe you're even your manager 295 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: or a trusted a person in your life. Right ask 296 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: them like, if you had to describe me in three adjectives, 297 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: what would they be? Because honestly, you can use those 298 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: adjectives to inform your personal vision statement, mission statement, however 299 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: you want to label it. You also want to start 300 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: asking people what do you see me as an expert 301 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: in or where do you see that I can add 302 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: value and impact because the reality is these are the 303 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,359 Speaker 1: people who are seeing things about you that you don't see. 304 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: And honestly, even as scary as that is, the reason 305 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: why you want to do that is because you want 306 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: to make sure that what people see you as is 307 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: how you see yourself and how you want to be seen. 308 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: And there sometimes can be a disconnect in those things, 309 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: which you want to figure out early on. The last 310 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: thing I will quickly say is refine your statement. You 311 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: might have to go through a couple of revisions, but 312 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: then you can share it with other people. You can 313 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: be like, what do you think do you think that 314 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: this matches up with who I am and how I'm 315 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: showing up. I think that's a great place to start. 316 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: And the great thing is this is something that is 317 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: industry agnostic. Everybody can do it. You can do it 318 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: in your first job, you can do it in your internship, 319 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: you can do it when you are the senior CEO. 320 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: Everyone should have a personal vision statement that goes back 321 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: to their personal brand. 322 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: Speaking of industries, I think something that makes people hesitate 323 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: when it comes to personal branding is that it feels 324 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: exclusive to people who are in creative roles like you 325 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: and I. So I'm wondering, what's your advice to people 326 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: who work maybe in like finance or healthcare? How should 327 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: they think about building a personal brand when they're maybe 328 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 3: not in such a public facing role. 329 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: That is such a great question, because I'm going to 330 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: tell you guys a little secret. A lot of people 331 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: make the mistake of thinking I am an extrovert. I 332 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: am an ambrovert, and I'm gonna say that because I 333 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: am extrovertive around people who I know. I obviously am 334 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: very extrovertive on social media. It's so much easier for 335 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: me to have social relationships than real ones, Like I 336 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: kid you not, I talk to the same four people 337 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: in my life. And I'm not joking when I say 338 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: it's literally for pretty much like it's like, it's pretty 339 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: bad I have to actually leave the house to socialize anyway. 340 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: But the reason why I say that is because I 341 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: think people make also the assumption and that personal branding 342 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: is so easy if you're an extrovert, and I totally 343 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: get that. But my advice for introverts as well as 344 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: people to your point who are in maybe less public 345 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: facing roles, is understand that your personal brand exists whether 346 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: you want it to or not. What we're discussing here 347 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: is you having the power to determine what that brand is. 348 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: People are going to talk about you no matter what 349 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: I would say. Don't necessarily think that personal branding means 350 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: you always have to be external, you have to have 351 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: a large social media presence that you have to be 352 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: posting all the time. It's really about controlling the narrative, 353 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: I would say, and really making sure that again, how 354 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: you want to come across is being communicated. So personal 355 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: branding still matters, right, You can still if you work 356 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: in finance. You can absolutely create content, maybe even sharing 357 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: it on LinkedIn about how you do audits or how 358 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: you are getting your CPA license, or maybe you've decided 359 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: you want to go back for your MBA. Like there 360 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: is so much content and just the everyday thing, and 361 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: really I would say, we want to see the journey. Yeah, 362 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to just see a quote unquote overnight success, 363 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: because anyone who's been an overnight success is really at 364 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: least twenty years in the making. Like, so take the 365 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: pressure off of yourself to think that you have to 366 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: be this inflated Like I get it. I wear pink 367 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: blazers with feathers, I get it. I am a very 368 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: like bold, out there person. But you don't have to 369 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: be to be successful. You just have to be you 370 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: and even just share a little bit of the journey 371 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: in the process. Yeah. 372 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 3: I think when you think about it as your career story, 373 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 3: it's really how you sell yourself in networking conversations. When 374 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 3: you're reaching out to people, let's say, over LinkedIn, how 375 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: do you explain who you are you know, in the 376 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: context of your professional life in interviews? How do you 377 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 3: position yourself across your cover letter and resume, Like, what 378 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: is the message people are getting when they look at 379 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: those materials when they look at your LinkedIn profile. So 380 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: I think that's like the way to kind of think 381 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: about it if you're not somebody. 382 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: Who's like, I'm ready to post right now. 383 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, And I would definitely add to that that. 384 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Really it's just about starting with where you are at 385 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: right now and understanding that you have something unique to 386 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: add to this conversation and that is also part of 387 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: your personal brand. 388 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 3: I want to bring up a question from one of 389 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 3: our listeners. Next this is Dear work Bestie, where we 390 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: answer your questions. This week's comes from Morgan and Nevada. 391 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 5: A question I have as a gen Z professional entering 392 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 5: the workforce is how can you start establishing a reputation 393 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 5: and credibility early in your career as you're building a 394 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 5: personal brand. Especially with social media and the Internet, it's 395 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 5: made it easier to put yourself out there, but it 396 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 5: also feels like there's more to consider when you're trying 397 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 5: to figure out what your personal brand is. 398 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 3: I love Morgan's question because figuring out what you want 399 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: your personal brand to be is only the first step. 400 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: And we talked about that before you then have to 401 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: communicate that. 402 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: And you know, we've talked about posting a bit, and 403 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 3: you know how you position yourself in interviews and in networking. 404 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 3: But part of that too is building credibility, Like how 405 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 3: do you get people to actually buy into what you're saying. 406 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: What's your advice to Morgan. 407 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one word consistency. I think that what's really 408 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: important here is that you build credibility when people see 409 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: things over a period of time. For instance, Gianna, you've 410 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: talked about baking and how much you love cooking and stuff. 411 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: If you said that one time to me and that 412 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: was the only time you ever mentioned it, I'm gonna 413 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, she said it, but like she's 414 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: really not serious about it. Now if you keep talking 415 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: about it now, I'm like, oh, there's something really here, right, 416 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: And in many ways you have to keep kind of 417 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: putting it out there. And I think that's what scares people. 418 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: People don't like to be marketers of themselves. They don't 419 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: like talking about themselves. It's scary, right. We're not comfortable 420 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: because we have been taught as a society to downplay 421 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: our achievements. This is not the time for that. Even 422 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 1: if it just starts something as simple as you know, 423 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: I am a this, and I'm a this, and I'm 424 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: a this, I do this. I specialize in that you 425 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: have to keep saying it. It's almost like affirmations to yourself. 426 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: The more you say it, the more it gets locked 427 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: into yourself, and the more that you keep saying it, 428 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: the more other people begin to see you as that. Now, 429 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: this is where faith without works is dead. You can't 430 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: just say something and then not back it up. Okay, 431 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: if you're gonna talk the talk, you gotta walk the 432 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: walk too. That now also comes with showing up every 433 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: day authentically as that person you want to be treated 434 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: as an executive. You got to show up to work 435 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: as an executive. You got to carry yourself like one. 436 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: Right. 437 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: For instance, for me, I was saying that I was 438 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: an actor before I even started editioning. Why I'm going 439 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: to classes, I'm taking my voice classings, I'm working out, 440 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: I'm doing the things, I'm doing the work, and guess what, 441 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: now I'm doing things like some of it, yes, it's 442 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: some of it is what is like delulu, like manifestation, 443 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: like but you have to believe it. And I'm so 444 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: passionate about it, because I really do think anyone can 445 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: change their life at the drop of a hat, the 446 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 1: minute you decide to take a bet on yourself. So 447 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: from Morgan, I would definitely say, be so delusionally aggressive 448 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: about who you want to be that you show up 449 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: every day and you speak life into being that person, 450 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: because at some point it's either going to be your 451 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: word against everybody else's. But if you've been putting in 452 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: the work, if you have the receipts, if you've been 453 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: showing up and you've been saying it, everybody else has 454 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: no other option but to support your vision for yourself. 455 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. 456 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: You know, Let's say you're like at a networking event 457 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 3: and you introduce yourself and you basically are sharing your 458 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 3: personal brand, like who you are, what you care about, 459 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: you know, your interests, your strengths. Someone's then gonna go 460 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 3: connect with you on LinkedIn and then they're going to see, oh, 461 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: you know, does her career experience align with this, does 462 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 3: her boud section align with that? I mean, they're not 463 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 3: literally going there and asking that. Maybe they are, but 464 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: I think it's a way for people to kind of, 465 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: you know, check what you're saying even if they don't 466 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: realize they're doing it consciously. They want to see the 467 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: posts that you're putting out there. Does it align with 468 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: kind of what you said? 469 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely? And that's kind of why. Fun fact, I really 470 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: don't like when people say I am an aspiring blank 471 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: like people put it in their bio all the time, 472 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: aspiring copywriter, expiring executive, aspire. Baby, you already are the 473 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: thing I say. 474 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: I'm an aspiring pastry. 475 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: You already are because you already us you are, because 476 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: think about it. You already go home and you already cook, 477 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: and you already bake, and you already test it out. 478 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: The only difference between you and them is that they 479 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: have a restaurant. You don't have it yet, thanks to me. 480 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: But think about it, because if you keep selling yourself 481 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: you're aspiring. You are already sort of putting a mental 482 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: glass ceiling on yourself that you haven't arrived yet. But 483 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: the minute you tell yourself, actually, I've already arrived. It's 484 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: just everybody else hasn't seen it yet. Like, honey, I 485 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: already know Lionsgate is gonna come knocking on my door 486 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: one day. Okay, I'm already carrying myself in the way 487 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: that I want to be. I'm going to stay ready 488 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: so I don't have to get ready. And that's just it. 489 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: The minute you realize that this is what you do 490 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: for your personal brand, the universe conspires in your favor 491 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: and I don't believe anything else. That's my delusionalness coming in. 492 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 3: If we're going to be Jululu, be it for yourself, 493 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 3: I might as well be for yourself. Morgan mentioned social 494 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: media making it easier to put yourself out there, and 495 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: we talked a bit before. Or You mentioned having a 496 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: social media presence, and I remember when I started at LinkedIn, 497 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: I was so fearful to even start posting, even though 498 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 3: I was literally getting paid to do that, because I 499 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 3: was like, oh, my friends are going to see this, 500 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: what are they going to think? And I talked to 501 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: myself out of posting so many times. Luckily, I've really 502 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: worked on getting, you know, outside of my comfort zone 503 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 3: over the last few years. 504 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: But great, thank you. 505 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 3: But I'm wondering for others who are just getting started. 506 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 3: Do you need to have a strong social media presence 507 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 3: to have a strong personal brand? Are those two things 508 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 3: mutually exclusive? 509 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, I said no. I would say 510 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: for certain industries. Obviously it pays to be more front facing, right, 511 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: But if you find that you don't necessarily need a 512 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: social media presence in order to be marketable, I would 513 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: say still do the exercise that we discussed and really 514 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: make sure you lock down your vision or your mission statement, 515 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: because you can use that when you go into job 516 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: interviews and when you're talking through your resume. I always 517 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: say social media can be a good tool in your 518 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: toolkit if used correctly. So a couple of mistakes that 519 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: I see is when people try to be too many places, 520 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: too many times, lock one platform down and then expand. 521 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: I'm saying this not just because I work here, but 522 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: because I genuinely have seen the fruit of the labor 523 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: here that LinkedIn I think is a really great place 524 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: for people to start out. First of all, we have 525 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: so many different formats. You have short form video, we 526 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: have LinkedIn live if you want to go long. We 527 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: have newsletters. You know, Gianna, you've been running a great 528 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: newsletter for years. There are so many different tools we 529 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: already have here, and I know, like then the caveat 530 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: of that is that people are like, but this is 531 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: a professional platform. How am I supposed to show up 532 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: baby by sharing your story, just by starting there. If 533 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: you have just graduated, like document the jobs maybe you know, 534 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: you don't have to call out the names of them, 535 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: but the companies and when things that you're learning in 536 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: the process that first internship, I bet you you walked 537 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: out better than you came in. Those are things that 538 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: you can start sharing now. And even though you don't 539 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: think that that's part of your brand, it sort of 540 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: is because everything is building this holistic idea and image 541 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: of you. So there's just so many ways that you 542 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: can flip storytelling on social media that I would say, 543 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: like to take the ick or the fear out of it. 544 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: Just start with what you know. At the end of 545 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: the day, as I am going to continue to say, 546 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: oh a brand authenticity is the name of the game. 547 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: Like you cannot be anyone else but you, and honestly, 548 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: no one else deserves that seat. 549 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So I have. 550 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 3: Been loving everything you're sharing, but I have one last 551 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: question for you. You know, you build this personal brand, you 552 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 3: do all the work, you've taken time and energy and 553 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 3: invested into doing it. How do you then leverage that 554 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 3: personal brand to find your next opportunity? 555 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: Yes, so I would say that you can leverage a 556 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: couple of different ways. And again it goes back to 557 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: sort of your industry. This is honestly where industry research 558 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: is gonna come. Okay, market research. If you want to 559 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: be in a certain industry, you kind of need to 560 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: see who the movers and shakers are, what companies you 561 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: would want to work for, because it's gonna sort of 562 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: give you a vibe check. 563 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: Right. 564 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: So, like, let's say, for instance, I am a new 565 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: grad who wants to work in marketing, and so I start, 566 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: you know, googling and finding out different cmos chief marketing 567 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: officers for those who don't know, and I'm like, Okay, 568 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: I want to aspire to be like this one. I'll 569 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: just use Bozma Saint John because she's just who I'm 570 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: thinking of off top of mind. You might go on 571 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: her Instagram, you might go on her LinkedIn. You start 572 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: to see how she's creating content. Now, what did I 573 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: say earlier? You are not an aspiring marketer. You already 574 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: are a marketer. Okay, So now you're like, all right, she's 575 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: posting consistently, she's posting a little of her personal she's 576 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: posting her professional wins, I'm going to start doing the same. 577 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 1: That is how you start building up the portfolio. And 578 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: now when you want to go and apply for X, 579 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, job or whatever. Usually in a job application 580 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: they ask for links, websites, whatever. This is where you 581 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: can start sharing out your portfolio. Now, I know someone 582 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: out here saying, okay, but you may this is for 583 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: the creative folk. What I do and find it is 584 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: same thing. If you have cultivated or curated a digital 585 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: portfolio of some sort, you can absolutely share that. I 586 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: think a lot about how we have so many healthcare 587 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: professionals on LinkedIn. We have doctors, we have nurse practitioners, 588 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: we have everyone in between, and they are consistently creating 589 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: content on LinkedIn about becoming a new grad or going 590 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: to med school or whatever the process. That is all 591 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: fair game. 592 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, even like what's going on in 593 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: the healthcare industry, like news that's impacting your job. 594 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: I need you now tell me what to do and 595 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: tell people to keep washing their hands, because I think 596 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: some people have stopped knowing that. It's really great. Yeah, 597 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: but what I'm but essentially what I'm saying is you 598 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: can leverage all of that and actually that is a 599 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: great way when you are filling up those job applications 600 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: for you to say I'm already talking about this. I 601 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: am already because again, the reason why your personal brand 602 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: is so important is because it differentiates you from other people, 603 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: including your competition. You have to show why would I 604 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: go out and nowadays getting a job is hard. I 605 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: know friends who are out here applying for two three, 606 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: four hundred jobs who have been laid off for a year, 607 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: year and a half. Whatever it is rough out here, 608 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: it is full on hunger games. So what are you 609 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: bringing to the table that is different than everybody else? 610 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: Your personal brand is that? And if you are already 611 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: creating content, why would I not take the bet on you? 612 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: At least I know that you can talk about this 613 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,959 Speaker 1: versus someone who's just said, Hi, I just got my degree. 614 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: I don't have anything behind me. I don't have no receipts, 615 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: no samples, no nothing, just vibes. Can I come up 616 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: here and drink the macha? No? No, no, no. 617 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: So true. 618 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a short break, but stick around because 619 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: there's still plenty more to come. 620 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 3: Wow, Tomay, I love everything you shared and I love 621 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: just getting to learn more about your own journey and 622 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 3: something I've been curious about since I listened to that podcast. 623 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: Episode a year ago. 624 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 3: So I really appreciate you sharing all of that with me. 625 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 3: And I think I totally need to revisit my mission statement. 626 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: I actually did write it before the episode. 627 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna read it, but yeah, it's like not it. 628 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 3: I need to, you know, think about my identity outside 629 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: of my job title, which I still feel tied to 630 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: because that's how I started my personal brand. So I'm 631 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: going to revise my mission statement just so I can 632 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 3: better articulate, like what I'm passionate about, what I'm interested 633 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: in outside of just like being tied to a company 634 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: and with a certain job title. And also I'm gonna 635 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 3: ask for feedback. I think that was such a good tip, 636 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 3: because you want to know if your messaging is land right, 637 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 3: Like you could do it for so long and then 638 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: somebody's like, oh, that's not really what I thought you 639 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 3: were about. So I think that's a really good piece 640 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 3: of advice, is to ask people closest to you, like, 641 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: if you had to describe me in the context of 642 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 3: my professional career, what would you say, and collect that 643 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: and you know, pivot revise, do all the things after. 644 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: So those are my two action items. 645 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: I love that I cannot wait to hear your personal 646 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: mission statement. But everything you said is so true, and 647 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: I think that the minute you detach yourself from a 648 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: job and think more about, like what is the holistic 649 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: arch of your life, then that will also help inform 650 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: you for other roles right and other opportunities down the road. 651 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: For me, I really want to emphasize three things. First 652 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: of all, remembering that authenticity is key. You are you. 653 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: I always like to say you are your superpower. Nobody 654 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: else can be you. No one else deserves to be you, 655 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: and if you were not you, then who would be? 656 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: So you have to be you and you have to 657 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: be true. Second, write the vision. Make it plain. It's 658 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: that simple. Write it out, put it on pen and paper, 659 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: articulate it. Workshop it. It's okay if you have to 660 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: go through multiple rounds. I'm gonna give you guys a 661 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: little tip. Open up, chat GPT, ask it some questions, 662 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: tell it you know, adjectives that you have that people 663 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: have given to you. Workshop your vision and if it aligns, 664 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: it aligns, and then pivot if you need to. And 665 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: then last personally, not least be consistent. One thing I 666 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: did not mention earlier that I think consistency also entails 667 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: is making sure that you're getting the same person, even 668 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: if it's a slightly different variation on every platform. If 669 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: you go to my Instagram, you go to my LinkedIn, 670 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: you go to my Twitter, you go to my TikTok, 671 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: you go to my website, you're gonna see Jamay. It's 672 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: going to be a different version of jam because obviously, 673 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, I can cut up a little bit more 674 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: on some places versus not. But at the end of 675 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: the day, you're going to say this is Jammy Jackson, 676 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: and I know that for a fact. So your consistency 677 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: is also about showing up in the places where you 678 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: need to show up and being true to yourself in 679 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: the process. So speaking about being true to yourself, Gianna, 680 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: I gotta be true to myself. I love cooler cringe. 681 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 4: Ah. 682 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: It is my favorite thing, Emma, because it is such 683 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: a fun way for us to figure out what is 684 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: cool versus what is cringe. And in this little part 685 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: of the show, we like to present something to you all, 686 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: and Gianna and I like to discuss if it is 687 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: in fact cool or it is cringe. So, Gianna, what 688 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: do we have this week? 689 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: This is a spicey on? Oh I love spice dating 690 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: your coworkers. Ooh, you've been there, dumb. 691 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: Would you like to go first? What do you think 692 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: about that? Gianna? 693 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 3: I think it's cool as long as there's like some 694 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 3: degree of separation between you and the person. So like 695 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 3: direct team is kind of you know, that could get messy. 696 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: That could get really messy. Really message what if someone 697 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: got promoted over the other person. 698 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 3: Or just like you break up and then you're like, 699 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 3: let's work on this project together. 700 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: No, I would not work on no project. You're on 701 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: your own body. 702 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally great. 703 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 3: So I think it's okay as long as there's some 704 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 3: you know, maybe they're on a different team or they 705 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 3: work in like a different office. Great, And I feel 706 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 3: like that's good. Like you need healthy separation too, Like 707 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 3: you don't want to be like potentially living with this person, 708 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 3: going to work every day, seeing them every day. And 709 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: I think there that's like a healthy level of separation 710 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 3: too that you want. So yeah, I don't know, I've 711 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 3: never experienced this myself. 712 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, have you ever had to, you. 713 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 2: Know, figure out no office romance. Okay, what about you? 714 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: I kind of want that for you. But now, like 715 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: we both worked here, instead of be like, oh my god, 716 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: I'd be like, who's Gianna's bow. I have dated a 717 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: coworker before, but we were not on the same team. 718 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: We didn't have the same job function our entire days were. 719 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: It's completely different, and so I think that's sort of 720 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: where it was fun. And it was kind of you know, 721 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: it was cute. You know, oh, I see you up 722 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: in the lunch line boot, you know you want to 723 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: take a walk with me to go get coffee and 724 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: hold my hand. But wholl that didn't last. I was like, 725 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: is this your husband? No, it is not, but it 726 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: is okay, y because I'm trying. I want my husband 727 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: to work to work with me so we can do 728 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: the same things. He's like, absolutely not only can, He's like, 729 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: I can take you on doses. 730 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 2: I can't. 731 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: But I say the same thing. I would say that 732 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: it's cool as long as you have boundaries. Obviously, still 733 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: keep a professional. Okay, no hanky panky in the office, please, 734 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: I do not need to know what y'all been up 735 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: to with your weekends, with your nights. I don't stop 736 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: getting so close to each other. Stand away what is 737 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: Don't be weird, you know, especially at the company holiday party. 738 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: Not be weird because I'm gonna call you out. I'm 739 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: aa spray you with a spray bottle. You being weird, Yeah, 740 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: spray bottle. It's a little too hot up in heare. 741 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 3: I think when people can start picking up on like 742 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 3: to they have a vibe, that's when you know. 743 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: When other people start getting uncomfortable because they're like, something 744 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: itchy is happening here and I don't know what that's about. 745 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: Don't do that. Don't make the block hot, essentially, and 746 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: that's when it can get into the cringe territory. But again, 747 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: I would just say, also, just be mindful. You know, 748 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 1: I've had friends who have dated their bosses. I think 749 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: that is an absolute that's a no no. Like I 750 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: had one friend who was dealing with her manager's manager 751 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: like so she always would be like, he can't say 752 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: nothing to me. I'm like, sis, you're playing a dangerous game. 753 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: So like I would say, like, aside from like the 754 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: fun juiciness of it all, I get it. We're young, 755 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: we're hot. Everything is still sitting pretty and whatnot. Like, 756 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: I get it, baby, but just be careful about how 757 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: you run in these streets because these streets will run 758 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: up on you. 759 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah wow. 760 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 3: But also you're like spending so much time at work, 761 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 3: so I think it's natural for people to find you 762 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 3: know a partner at work. I think you also just 763 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 3: have to be mindful of the policies not to be 764 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 3: like such an arc. But you probably have to disclose 765 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 3: that it is in your employee hand but read your 766 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 3: employee handbook. 767 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: Do not get god. 768 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 3: Are you guys let us know cool or cring dating 769 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 3: or coworkers, and if you have some stories to share, 770 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 3: we want to hear them. 771 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: So I think we both are collectively cool cool ringing cool, Yeah, 772 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: cool ringing. We're ordering cringe if you go about it 773 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: at the don't be freaky kids out there, So guys, 774 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: don't be a freaky kid cooler cringe, but more poorlyan. 775 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed this entire episode. Thank you so 776 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: much for listening. 777 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 3: Yes, and make sure you guys are following the newsletter 778 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 3: Let's Talk offline if you're not already. The link is 779 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 3: in the show description and also in my LinkedIn bio. 780 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: Yes and a couple of important announcements. First of all, 781 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: if you have a burning question, make sure you send 782 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: that to me and gian Okay, we cannot do that 783 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: segment without you, guys, so we want to hear it. Okay, 784 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: send us your questions. Information on how to do that 785 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: is in the show description. 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