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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lallie. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson And well, anything happened to the day? Man?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I was like, man, what we're gonna talk about?

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a slow show. Spend an hour on

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Speaker 2: the keenan Allen trade. Maybe chat about some stuff going on. No,

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Speaker 2: the league is flying around, The Steelers are flying around still,

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Speaker 2: And in case you live under a rock, Kenny Pickett

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Speaker 2: is now a Philadelphia Eagle.

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Speaker 1: Well reportedly this accordingly multiple sources, but nothing official yet,

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Speaker 1: but he has reportedly been traded to the Philadelphia Eagles

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Speaker 1: for a swap. The Steelers get the eagles third round

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Speaker 1: draft pick, which would be picked ninety eight. The Eagles

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Speaker 1: get to pick one twenty from the Steelers, which was

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Speaker 1: the second of their two fourth round picks. Gotcha, And

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Speaker 1: the Steelers also get a pair of twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: seventh round draft picks. And I've gotten a lot of

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Speaker 1: what happened? How did this? You know? How this?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Right, so I didn't see It's common.

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Speaker 1: Essentially, when the Steelers initially made the inquiries about Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: you know, they they had told Kenny Pickett all along

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Speaker 1: and they were going to add competition for him at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And Wilson the one quarterback under contract, and now they

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Speaker 2: have one quarterback under contract.

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Speaker 1: Wilson, you know, was not the kind necessarily the kind

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Speaker 1: of competition that Pickett thought it was going to be.

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Speaker 1: I think he thought it was gonna be Mason Rudolph

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that kind of thing, future Hall of Famer

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Speaker 1: Uh. And then and this, according to Tom Pelisarrow, I

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Speaker 1: have no reason to doubt this. I've I've heard similar

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Speaker 1: things that when the Steelers then when they signed Russell Wilson, Uh,

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Speaker 1: they made Russell Wilson, they promise that he would get

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Speaker 1: first reps, the first reps. It was still going to

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Speaker 1: be competition, yes, but in a sense Kenny Pickett had

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Speaker 1: been demoted, officially demoted, like if he he.

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Speaker 2: Would open the depth charter too too, okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And so he said, you know what, I don't

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Speaker 1: And so they said, okay, well, well we'll see what

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Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna start at two in Philly but.

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Speaker 1: It's a different so here people might look at that

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Speaker 1: had more of a chance to win this job than

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Speaker 1: when you've been the starter in a town, that's what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, and in that locker room, and now all

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Speaker 1: that really is a demotion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I think he's a better player, he

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Speaker 2: was a better prospect. He was draft higher than how

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Speaker 2: with the Commanders and Ritter with the Falcons. But the

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Speaker 2: same thing kind of just happened to them yesterday. You know,

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Speaker 2: probably better for you and us that you're not here,

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Speaker 2: you know. Is that's the impression I got with those

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Speaker 2: But I guess there is a kind of a different

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you weren't drafted as a number one pick in

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Speaker 1: So you know, nobody's gonna You're not gonna be getting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: So I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get that part.

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Speaker 2: He got traded for reportedly similar amount of what Howe got.

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Speaker 2: I thought you could probably get more. But who's to say.

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Speaker 1: Well, they have more than two receivers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two that are going to make the team next year.

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Speaker 1: No, and and that's all part of the process. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there'll be more trades that are made around the league

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Speaker 1: So immediately when this is well, see that was that's

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett. He was a flop. He did he was this,

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Speaker 1: he did that. He got two years starting quarterback, starting

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Speaker 1: of draft picks. Now they weren't what you spent on him. No, right, right,

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Speaker 1: But it's not like he He's not Jamaine Stevens, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know that Kenny is a bad player

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I mean there's there's many first round bus

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean it immediately saw this just

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's the issue.

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Speaker 1: That's rewriting history.

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Speaker 2: I would saying, I don't even think that's the topic

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Speaker 1: When we did mock drafts that year. You know, there

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Speaker 2: At twenty right or went right in that neighborhood or right.

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Speaker 2: I mean I remember even that year, and this isn't

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Speaker 2: the same thing this year. He was twenty first for me,

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it a great pick. No, I mean

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Speaker 1: It does show that the Steelers are on Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I mean he's going to be

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Speaker 1: The chances were when when they signed him, he was

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Speaker 1: I my money would be on Russell Wilson. He's even

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Speaker 2: I would have phrased it the exact same way. And really,

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Speaker 2: since Wilson's been added, when we're talking about the Steelers

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Speaker 1: I found that was interesting. Today when we met with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, that's what we talk about all day,

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Speaker 1: And he talked about how during this whole process that

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Speaker 1: We're all in our Hey, this guy makes us a

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Speaker 2: So I think a lot of that leads to Kenny

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Speaker 2: How we opened the show the rid or How conversation too.

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Speaker 1: Well, who were the who were the stars in Denver?

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Speaker 2: Well, they wanted him to be the guy exactly. That's

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Speaker 1: We need to face the zation and Russ Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: will be a face of the organization, but he's not

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Speaker 2: Right the I mean, even Ben in his prime wasn't

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Speaker 2: always the face of the organization. I mean it's a yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And if you looked at that that two thousand and

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Speaker 1: No, this is what happens.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the drive here on

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: and this is the drive on Steelers Nation Radio, and Matt.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that well, Russell Wilson said it,

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Speaker 1: One of the big things that they said made the

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so, won't reveal sources. I'm sure you've heard

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Speaker 2: And there are a lot of instances, again not revealing sources,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think you know, you just saw Russell

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Speaker 1: are zero and four, and then they were two and

438
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Speaker 1: six and they finished eight and eight. Yeah, yeah, you know,

439
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: there are plenty of years like that where you think, Okay,

440
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: this this could go south. And I've seen things go south.

441
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,719
Speaker 1: I've seen it go the other way. You know, there

442
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 1: were some years under Bill Cower. I think in ninety

443
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: seven they were like six and three or seven and

444
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: three and then went on a ridiculous losing streak did

445
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 1: to finish out the season?

446
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 2: Was it a similar season like what the Eagles just had?

447
00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, good things they just goes. They start south and

448
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 1: you can't fix it.

449
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 2: And you can see it on every team, every player's

450
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 2: body language and all the stuff that comes out after

451
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 2: the year and go to Tampa Bay and lose in

452
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 2: the wildcard round and let's get out of here. You know, no,

453
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 2: I hear you. I mean, and that in itself has

454
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 2: massive value, you know, in terms of you know, like

455
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: this pick a thing like we've compared it to Ritter

456
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: and how et cetera. It's not fantasy football, you know.

457
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 2: I mean, there are personalities, there's managing human beings. How

458
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: do they all get along. What's that quarterback meeting room

459
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 2: going to look like? Now? Who you're going to insert

460
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 2: into that meeting room? Is it going to be a

461
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 2: second round pick bo Nix or Pennix or someone like

462
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 2: that to learn from Wilson then and hopefully he becomes

463
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 2: a leader, you know. I mean, there's a lot of options,

464
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 2: you know, but that all that stuff's being considered, and

465
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: it's one of Tom's greatest strengths, if not his greatest

466
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: strength as a coach.

467
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I also think again, I think this roster

468
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: is good, and I think some people overlook that that

469
00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 1: this is a good roster that if they get we

470
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 1: said it all last year, going into the season last year,

471
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: if the Steelers get average quarterback play this year, just average,

472
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: just average, right, they'll be a very good football team.

473
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: They'll win ten, eleven, twelve games.

474
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I don't think they got average quarterback play, no,

475
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: I mean of the thirty two teams, they were in

476
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 2: the bottom third for sure in terms of top to

477
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: bottom seventeen games worth a quarterback play. So they're making changes.

478
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 2: So it's the exact same thing. It's like, we need

479
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: to have better quarterback play. I think mister Rooney said it,

480
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, we need to have better quarterback plays.

481
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 2: So they're making changes, started with the coordinator. Now some

482
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 2: of the pass catchers and are gone, and all the

483
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: quarterbacks from last year are gone, all all of them. Yeah,

484
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: all gone.

485
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: I can't remember a team ever getting rid of I mean,

486
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's happened.

487
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's happened, but yeah, just.

488
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: Completely cleaning out a position group player.

489
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, especially I mean the.

490
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: Steelers did to a certain degree at linebacker last year. Yeah,

491
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,719
Speaker 1: they did, except Mark Robinson was brought back.

492
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

493
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's one guy.

494
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: One guy and he was a seventh round you know,

495
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: special team or project type.

496
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: But this is they just wiped, wiped a slate with

497
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: it and wipe start over.

498
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of this. Again, all I can

499
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 2: think about is the future. I mean, now they have

500
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: better draft capital than they did a week ago. They

501
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: have cap space and the ability to make more. They

502
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: have to have more of a plan in place. But

503
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: I also think they must love this draft class period.

504
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: You know that centers, tackles, wide outs, maybe quarterbacks, to

505
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 2: want to keep high on, to want to keep moving up, right,

506
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: moving up, moving up, like we'll we'll get we'll get

507
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: rid of these players to move up in this draft.

508
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, it's not like it's the

509
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: greatest asset in the world. But they have a ton

510
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: of Day three, twenty twenty five draft picks. So on

511
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: draft Day, might two of those turn into trade ups.

512
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: You know, you start, you're sitting there and you say, hey,

513
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: we'd like to move up five spots to go get

514
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: this guy. M why don't we just move one of

515
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: those seventh rounders those throw ins we got one of

516
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: we got here, you know, something like that to make

517
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: that happen.

518
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: And it doesn't hurt you hardly at all for next year.

519
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: So one of the best things that's happened to this

520
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: organization football wise in a long time is this most

521
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: recent draft class. I mean, it's a phenomenal class. Now

522
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 2: I understand they don't have the thirty second pick in

523
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: the draft, the Porter pick, but they got a lot

524
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: and if they could semi replicate that, you know, I mean,

525
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: you're picking twenty, there's gonna be there's gonna be a

526
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: good player at twenty. Yeah, we know that, we know that,

527
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: we know that. And side note, I'm sure we'll bring

528
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 2: this up too, but we saw the Texans and the

529
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: Vikings make a trade of just picks, you know, which

530
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: is rare this time of year. But there's a reason

531
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: behind it. But I think a huge key for the Vikings.

532
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: I'll bring this back to the Steelers in a minute to

533
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: get they I think they ended up at twenty three

534
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 2: with that pick. Yeah, So I think whoever team number

535
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: three is that they're talking about to get a quarterback,

536
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: told them with your first and say a top twenty

537
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: four to twenty five pick, we can start talking about

538
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: you trading up. My reasoning and you and I have

539
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: brought it this up a thousand times. This draft has

540
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five first round picks, you know,

541
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 2: where most of them have fifteen sixteen. So he wasn't

542
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: get one of them. You know, whatever position they so choose,

543
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: they're going to get one of them. And the day too.

544
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: Stuff is really enticing too. I mean, so if you

545
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: could end up with three or four Benton type prospects

546
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: out of this draft at various positions, the throw up,

547
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: it's a lot different, right.

548
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 1: Well, And immediately I just I was just looking here

549
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: at my social media, so I tweeted out this from

550
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: the This was from the Combine. Okay, quote from Omar Khan.

551
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: We're excited about Kenny and excited about the impact that

552
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith is going to have on the offense and

553
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: some slappy on social media things that don't age well

554
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: for five hundred dollars, like that's some kind of slap

555
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: of me, I was quoted. That's yeah, direct quote from

556
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: the GM. That was how they felt at that time.

557
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's lying.

558
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean I think they're I think they were excited

559
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: about what Arthur Smith was going to mean for Kenny Picken.

560
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also think they might be moving him out

561
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: of the way for something else. I mean, I mean,

562
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: there's they're going to add another quarterback soon, I would think,

563
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's gonna be like a Josh Dobbs,

564
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: Like people throwing We'll go get Dobbs's back up. He's

565
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: a good guy. I'm like, that doesn't get you anywhere now.

566
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're gonna do that, give me Tannehill

567
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: or Garoppolo or something instead of that. But I mean,

568
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying they're gonna go get Justin

569
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: Herbert or some massive splash, but they're making room too.

570
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: Although he might be available now.

571
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: The funniest thing I heard after that, who's he throwing

572
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: the ball to this year? But no good point. They

573
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: kept their red rushers, left their receiver. But after that

574
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: Texans Vikings trade, I just referenced somebody on Twitter was

575
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: very funny about it and said, Okay, now Minnesota is

576
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: gonna go get Herbert and then the Chargers will draft

577
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: McCarthy and seven other Wolverines. Hartball's crazy enough, maybe he would.

578
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying Harbaugh's coming to town or

579
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 2: Herbert's coming to town. Folks. But I just cracked me up.

580
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: But they're not going I mean they've signed Justin Herbert.

581
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: I'll just completely changed the subject. Yeah, they're paying Justin

582
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: Herbert a bunch of money, a.

583
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: Ton with be an elite passer and a great.

584
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: Way no receivers and no running backs.

585
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah Edwards right, I don't think, Well they have a

586
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: blocking tight end. I'll say Everett left to and the

587
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: O line, so so their first round pick could still

588
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: be an alignment, you know. Yeah, it's a little nuts right.

589
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: Now, Like you're paying him all that money.

590
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: And took aways will be so you might as well.

591
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: If you're if you're going to blow it up, blow it.

592
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: Up, blow it up completely. Yeah, I mean financially, it

593
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: doesn't make a ton of sense for them to do it.

594
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: But I mean if Harbaugh's.

595
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: Financially I mean, if if you're going to do what

596
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: they've done, didn't make a lot of sense to pay

597
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: Herbert to begin.

598
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: Right, I mean their finance has been a disaster.

599
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: There now two or three years from yeah, being in

600
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: position to win again, you're the.

601
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: Bights and like I can get these two picks and

602
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: something else for Herbert, Let's go, you know, right, So anyway,

603
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of strange stuff going on in

604
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: the league the last couple of days, for sure. Yeah,

605
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: you know, people are not afraid to make moves in

606
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: this league right now.

607
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: No, And I think part of it is because of

608
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: a good draft. Yeah, And I think part of it

609
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: is because the cap went up and you're more money

610
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: to play with them. Free agency changes the way you

611
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: approach things.

612
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got the best free agency plan in the world,

613
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's going to happen, right, you know.

614
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: So you've got to be able to make deals in

615
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: those kind of things. But it's you know, and change

616
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: your mind on stuff.

617
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: So I think we've had this conversation and this is

618
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: I think this generation of gms that are in the

619
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: league now. I mean, of course, everyone's going to get younger,

620
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 2: you know than the year after year, of course, but

621
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the guys that are in

622
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: charge of building rosters now grew up playing fantasy football,

623
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: grew up playing Madden, grew up with the Internet with

624
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: people our age did not, you know, So trades are

625
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: a lot easier nowadays. Like I'll just move on to

626
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, the world's smaller. Yeah, I just think that's

627
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: going to be commonplace in the league now.

628
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: I think so too. And I do think that some

629
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: of the stuff that this is what's happened in other leagues,

630
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that the willingness to change

631
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: coaches in many cases has helped that as well. I mean,

632
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: we talked about it before, what was.

633
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: It actually good or bad?

634
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: Half the league last year changed.

635
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: Offensive offensive play callers. So if you're almost the same

636
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: almost the same thing this year, like thirty over a

637
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: two year stretch, something crazy like that, if you're going

638
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: to do things like that some of the same teams twice, right,

639
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: you know, like baby reads back, you.

640
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: Know, you don't feel as married to a player because

641
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily a scheme specific right, he may not

642
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: be quite the scheme fit that he was for the

643
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: old offense.

644
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons that hurt Wilson so bad

645
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: was when they hired Peyton, he couldn't be any difference

646
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: schematically than the quarterback that he was inheriting. Like the

647
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: writing was on the wall. They weren't going to get together.

648
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: And he wasn't what they wanted with Hackett. No, no,

649
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: that they thought they weren't they thought they were getting

650
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, exactly, which did you see the stuff

651
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: about him?

652
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: Is that true? He wants to be the vice president

653
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: or something?

654
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: So Kennedy, who's weren't running on whatever ticket? I had

655
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: known he has no chance to win.

656
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: Let's be honest here, but he has a good last name.

657
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: He got Aaron Rodgers on his short list.

658
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: And we're not here to talk politics, folks, because I

659
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: know nothing. But this is nothing.

660
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: There's nothing political about this. He has Aaron Rodgers on

661
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Speaker 1: his short list of potential vice president.

662
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: I mean you watched ac session, right, I mean is

663
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: this con maybe? Right?

664
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Speaker 1: Like, if you're the the Jets, you're going Wait a second,

665
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: you have a job. You got a job, and you

666
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: can't be stumping in November for I don't think.

667
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: You can do both. You'd have to give one up, right,

668
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: I saw that too him, Like this is insane.

669
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Speaker 1: But anyway, I thought that was hilarious.

670
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Has he even addressed it? Yeah, he's talking.

671
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Speaker 1: I'd be interested.

672
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Speaker 2: I'm interested.

673
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Speaker 1: Okay, could you imagine that ticket?

674
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: What's what's the what's the draw there? I don't know, right,

675
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: what if the president gets assassinated, he's got to leave

676
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: the meadowlands or whatever and go run the free worlds.

677
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: Would go crazy in an NFL game, mister President, you

678
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: can't go out there the fifty yard line and do

679
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: the slip, right.

680
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: I think the Jets are a little or whatever.

681
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Speaker 1: They're gonna do a sweep at the locker room before

682
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Speaker 1: all the other players can come in.

683
00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Okay, Potus is coming through it right. Oh

684
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Speaker 2: my god, this ludicrous is anything we've ever heard. But

685
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Speaker 2: he's an odd bird. Yeah, yeah, but he's one of

686
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Speaker 2: my favorites that I can't wait for a football life

687
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: to come out or his biography after he retires and

688
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: the stories come out, because some of them are gonna

689
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: be insane. Yeah.

690
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Speaker 1: He's living in a commune in the mountains right.

691
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: Right right, eating mushrooms all winter or whatever.

692
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: In a very dark cave.

693
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, strange stuff.

694
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Speaker 1: So what were we talking about before that.

695
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: Whole probably picket or something like that.

696
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Speaker 1: We're talking about teams being willing to move on and

697
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: fits and fits, And I think when the Steelers sat

698
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Speaker 1: down and looked at him, when they sat down and

699
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: started talking with Arthur Smith, I think they came to

700
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Speaker 1: the realization, Hey, Russell Wilson might actually be a pretty

701
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Speaker 1: good fit with with what you with what Arthur wants

702
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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 2: I think that's one true If he's more willing and

704
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: better at throwing between the numbers, that's my only sticking.

705
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Speaker 2: Everything else I one hundred percent agree with. I mean,

706
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Speaker 2: I mean the deep shots. And if you go back

707
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Speaker 2: to early career Russ, which is really what you should

708
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Speaker 2: look at, not Pro Bowl Russ or Denver Russ. I'm

709
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: talking like handleball to Lynch, leads into doom, third round pick,

710
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: trying to prove himself Russ, kind of like Elway reinventing

711
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Speaker 2: himself the end of his career, type of thing like

712
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Speaker 2: this is my best way to win. Even Lake career,

713
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: Ben Lake career, Manning and Manning couldn'tn throw the ball,

714
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Speaker 2: you know, and Peyton I'm talking about. But if you

715
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Speaker 2: go back and even look at first five years of

716
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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, he threw in the middle of the field,

717
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: but it was often off rollouts and things like that,

718
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: you know, so that's it could be there. He's very

719
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Speaker 2: reluctant to do it lately. But other than that, I

720
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Speaker 2: think he's a dead unfit for what they want in

721
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Speaker 2: terms you know, I don't think Smith minds that he

722
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Speaker 2: might hold it a pulse longer, you know, to make

723
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Speaker 2: a big play or chuck one downfield. He's not a

724
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Speaker 2: Drew Brees paint by numbers, do exactly as the play's

725
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: drawn up, sean Payton player. But he's also not a

726
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: wild man, crazy Mahomes or you know, coming out of

727
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: Texas tech type either. I mean he's been around the block.

728
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: He knows how the game works.

729
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he's got a bit of a

730
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Speaker 1: chip on his short. In fact, he said he he

731
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Speaker 1: kind of does here because he's proud guy.

732
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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and things didn't go well the last two seasons

734
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Speaker 1: in Denver. Actually he said, you know, two years ago

735
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: in Denver, things didn't go on.

736
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Speaker 2: But he said it was much worse than a year ago.

737
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Speaker 2: Just so people know.

738
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Speaker 1: He said he started to feel like himself again. Last year.

739
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: He lost a little weight. I mean, he was pudgy

740
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: like when he got traded. He kind of a weird

741
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: look about him, like it's depending too much time on

742
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: the banquet circuit or whatever. So I do think it's

743
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: good for him to you know, reinvent invent himself, get

744
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: knocked down a Peg and you know, there's plenty of

745
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: drives where we talked about him before the Steeler I

746
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: saw more negative than positive before that. I mean, hey,

747
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying the same thing right now about Tyler Boyd.

748
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: If they signed tomorrow, I'm not gonna like him any better.

749
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: But I understand the movie. Yeah, especially give out there

750
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: exactly exactly, and this is.

751
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: Kind of the same thing. Give me the other options,

752
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: given all the options that they could have done at

753
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: quarterback this offseason.

754
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: This is about because you could ask for folks.

755
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: Unless you were gonna get unless you were happy with

756
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: with Mason Rudolph, Kenny Pickett or or Kenny Pickett and Tannehill.

757
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: Which I think is pretty clear that they are not.

758
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was an upgrade over that, right, And I don't,

759
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, just sell the farm to get in the

760
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: top three. Yeah, giving up picks to get up to

761
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: the top three, not that doesn't that doesn't appeal to me,

762
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: And giving up picks to go at justin fields that

763
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: didn't appeal to me.

764
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: It appeals to me more. Now if it's a fourth

765
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: not a two that we were originally.

766
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to give that up, not for a quarterback.

767
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna gowe thirty million dollars over the next two

768
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: seasons if I'm going to pay put it this way,

769
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: if I'm going to pay a quarterback thirty million dollars, yeah,

770
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: for two years, for two years, I'll just wait and

771
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: give it them to Wilson. Well, that could be in

772
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: the cards too, because if he's good, then I'll be

773
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: willing to give him thirty plus million next year. If

774
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: he's not good, I'll go find somebody else.

775
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they owe side note we talk quarterbacks, I'm

776
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: sure we will. But they have such little amount of

777
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: money owed to people in the future. You know that

778
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: their their cap freedom is as much as they wanted

779
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: to be to me.

780
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't know who next year's Kirk Cousins.

781
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: Is, right, right, right, but they could get him if.

782
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: They maybe it will be Russell Wilson.

783
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we'll have a good chance.

784
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But if that's the case, then you can pay.

785
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: Him, you could absolutely. If it's not financial freedom.

786
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: If it's not the case, you can go find somebody else.

787
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 2: They have like the least guaranteed money allotted going forward

788
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: and now less with Kenny go. Yeah, they opened up

789
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: another five million or whatever.

790
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: It's just how they build their car, how they build

791
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: their contracts.

792
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: You have to know they had about five million cap

793
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 2: space with this move. That's his base. I never thought

794
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: of that till just now, but I think that's about

795
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: what he was making money.

796
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean they freed up some money, definitely.

797
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean so I think it's like four or five.

798
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean they're on the hook for his signing bonus.

799
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was a four.

800
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: Year, fourteen million dollar contract in first round money. Yeah,

801
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: his base salary this season, well, it was only going

802
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: to be nine to eighty.

803
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: Five Okay, Okay, So this happened right before we went

804
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: on the air, so I didn't even think about it.

805
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: But I was thinking to be like four or five.

806
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: So the well, actually they take a cap hit with this.

807
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: They got four point six million in dead cap.

808
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: Money for this. Oh wow.

809
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Okay, but next year they a they don't have to

810
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: pick up his fifty year option.

811
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's done obvious, which they would have. The Eagles

812
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: won't either, I mean I'm sure they won't. They might.

813
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: I mean, they have to become the starter.

814
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: They may be, hey, they may be trying to trade

815
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts a year from now.

816
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: What's interesting to me, this is a side note, is

817
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: I've been saying this on my other podcast. Nobody cares

818
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: about ego quarterback situation here. I don't think they're happy

819
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: they signed Hurts to that deal. No, I mean they

820
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: already played last year. I mean, he's an unbelievable worker.

821
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: Teammates love him. He's a limited passer, and it really

822
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: showed up last year. And that's not a team to

823
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: sit around and wait, right, he could be on the

824
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: movie a year from now.

825
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we already saw them do it with

826
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, right, all right, Yeah, they'd signed him in

827
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: two years later, get rid of him.

828
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, trade up. You use the second round pick on

829
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: Hurts like they may use a second round pick on

830
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: the third round pick on Spencer Rattler this year, and

831
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: all of a sudden it's a Picket Rattler combination a

832
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: year from that. Who knows. I don't know, But I

833
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: don't think they love what they did with Herts.

834
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so either. So you know, you

835
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: you worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow?

836
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I time to worry about getting another body you're.

837
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: Playing for today. And it's obvious that the Steelers are

838
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: playing from. They're not necessarily you saying that, hey, we're

839
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: all in on this season. They're always all in on

840
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: that particular season.

841
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: But this they're not just spent every resource they possibly

842
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: can and trade future first to try to win the

843
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowl this year.

844
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

845
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not going to happen, and nor should

846
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: they with this roster.

847
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: But they've got a roster now that can compete.

848
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. There are holes that

849
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: worry me on March fifteenth, yeah, wide receive you or

850
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: quarterback to center defense, you know, But right, I mean

851
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna be they'll get filled up, and it's good

852
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: draft for all those things.

853
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's get to another break. He is Matt Williamson.

854
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on

855
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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right after this.

856
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

857
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lollie. He is the Matt Williamson and this

858
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Speaker 1: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And uh, well,

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Speaker 1: dot Steelers dot com. And I wonder if they sold

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Speaker 1: today any three jerseys or or Patrick Queen. And he's

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Speaker 1: wearing number six. Oh, I thought he's wearing zero. Six six, Okay,

868
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Speaker 1: that's the number Ward.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought zero. I just saw

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Speaker 2: a quick blurb that I thought he was six. Okay, yeah,

871
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: six my favorite number. I was born on six to six,

872
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: So it was Kenny Pickett by the way, audios, there

873
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: you go.

874
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: Two were no longer Steelers, right Williamson and Kenny Pickett.

875
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah in six six This year of mini camp. When

876
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: there's birthday cake, I'll know it's for me, not both

877
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: of us.

878
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.

879
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I bet you saw a lot of

880
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: threes and a lot of sixes. Yep. I don't care

881
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: what number he is, But what do you think of

882
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: the Elliott signing? I like a fan.

883
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: I brought it up, you know when when we were

884
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: talking about safeties, you know, he's a he's a physical guy.

885
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: He's played free, he's played strong. He's obviously played in

886
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: the AFC North, which I think matters.

887
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he was drafted by the Ravens folks.

888
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I like that. And again I you know,

889
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: he's twenty six. Yeah, Yeah, he's not one of these

890
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: guys that's thirty that you're No, he's not running for

891
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: a year.

892
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: No, he could be. I think he's an upgrade over KZ.

893
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: He's definitely an upgrade over Neil. Different player, thankz. As

894
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: you mentioned, he has size, he's a very good tackler,

895
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: he has long arms, he's a sure tackler, and he's

896
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 2: got a little bit of pop. You mentioned he started

897
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: his career mostly at free and last year with the

898
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: Dolphins he played about two thirds of his snaps as

899
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: a free safety.

900
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

901
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: I don't think that's what he's gonna do here though, But.

902
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: He gives you that ability to be interchangeable.

903
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely can Manka comes down and plays a man

904
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 2: on a tight end or a robber. He certainly can.

905
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: So they've always talked about having the strong and free

906
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: be interchangeable.

907
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: I know it's not.

908
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: Always the case.

909
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: No, it has rarely been there. I mean, like he

910
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: didn't want Edmunds in the deep middle, you know, like

911
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: KZ can do both, but neither one of those guys

912
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: are really as strong, you know, Like it's easy to

913
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: say you're two freeze, but Elliott is.

914
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: He's six one two ten like he could play. He's

915
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: got the build and mental makeup to be as strong.

916
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I know he has done it at

917
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: free but I don't want him stuck three seconds into

918
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: the play having to cover receipt on a post rout. Yeah.

919
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: You know, he's a four or five eight guy at

920
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: to combine and he plays around that speed, maybe a

921
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: little faster, to be honest with you, has good long strides,

922
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: good body control, long arms, like I said, helps, But

923
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: I think he's more of an in the box guy,

924
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: but much more versatile than Edmunds or something in the

925
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: box guys of late.

926
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's more versatile than Neil.

927
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

928
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean Neil was a converted linebacker, right it bounce

929
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: back and forth between linebacker and safety. This guy's a safety.

930
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 2: This guy's a safety. This guy's of safety, I think.

931
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: And under the radar they gave Killerbrew a two year

932
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: deal too. Yeah, so I think the safety room's done. Yeah,

933
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 2: maybe your last pick you throw him in there as

934
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 2: a special team or project type. But I think they're

935
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: done at safety.

936
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you can carry five there, especially especially

937
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: if one of those guys plays in the slot.

938
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

939
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: So if you've got a slot safety in the draft,

940
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: you think, okay, we can we can. We can add

941
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: that to the mix and they'll play special teams.

942
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: Of course, I don't know what Elliott's special team's background is.

943
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was extensive early in his career. Look

944
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: into his rookie year. He missed his rookie year with

945
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: a broken forearm. So when he came back his second

946
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: year in Baltimore, he's a starter. Yeah, okay, so he

947
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: may not have played a lot. I don't know his

948
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: history on that. So this is a dumb question. What's

949
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: Eric rose situation? He is a free agent right now,

950
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: so he's just not employed by anybody, right. I'd throw

951
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: him back in the mix too, you know what I mean.

952
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: I thought he showed well enough here. I don't think

953
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: anbody's gonna give him a ton of money. I just

954
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: said they're done at safety, But I liked what I

955
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: saw from him. You know, I'd love to see him

956
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: at camp.

957
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean that's a position that you don't

958
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: have to break the bank, ads no, and you can

959
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: still get guys. Man Eric Rowe is available. Last y're

960
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: sitting on his couch.

961
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, And they always are. There's always a

962
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: handful of them. Like you and I were a little

963
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: enamored with Justin Simmons. And he's a bright, shiny object.

964
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: He's a tremendous player. But he's thirty. But he's thirty,

965
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: and he's gonna wont fifteen million. Yeah, you know, I

966
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: mean that's a lot of money thrown into your safeties

967
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: where you have the stud get some nice compliments that

968
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: are liable, and boy, they would have killed to have

969
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: Elliott at the end of last year.

970
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: One thing that as soon as to pick a deal,

971
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: I's done. Lots of people tweeting out about and I

972
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: think somebody that Charles Robins or somebody, well the Steels

973
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: should go get Justin Fields. Now, I don't know that.

974
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't be necessarily interested in. As I said, obviously.

975
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm more interested in than you are. I can already

976
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: tell you that.

977
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: But A player that I would be interested in trading

978
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: for would be Stefan Diggs.

979
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, very, very very Yeah. So I think there's a

980
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 2: misnomer because all the people played fantasy. His last two

981
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: months were not very productive.

982
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: After the coordinator change.

983
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: Right around there, a little before and then after that

984
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: as well. I think a big focus. I think Buffalo

985
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: has finally realized we need to draft guards, we need

986
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: to be a big, physical Northeastern team, we need to

987
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: throw the ball less and we need to disperse it

988
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: to James cook In Kincaid and the whole world was

989
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: doubling Digs. But that's been his whole lif I mean,

990
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: he's a superstar, and his numbers dropped. I watched him.

991
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: I've referred to several people that live watching wide receivers.

992
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: Nobody that I trust thinks he's a declining player at all.

993
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: And see so I would be much more willing to

994
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: give up that pick, a mid round pick in the

995
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: cap space to go get that guy.

996
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: Than Fields one hundred percent. I mean, folks, I'm not

997
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: trying to tease you, but just think even Mike Williams,

998
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 2: if they were to add Diggs, Digs is still really good.

999
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: He might still be a top five He.

1000
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: Was a thousand yard receiver last year even though he

1001
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: was even with the second half being quiet.

1002
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 2: Right, and they did make a coordinator change.

1003
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: Imagine him opposite George Pickens with Pat Fryern with him

1004
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: between them, you can't.

1005
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: Get a third round pick coming in.

1006
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: Oh you want to double you want to double stuff

1007
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: on Diggs? Have had it because George Pickens is going

1008
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: to He's gonna feast down the sideline on you.

1009
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: And you know you're gonna have a physical running game.

1010
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: I mean, you just know that part. But just think

1011
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: of the perception. I'm not trying to, you know, dangle

1012
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: with you know, carrot in front of you guys listening.

1013
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: But if by the time day and I get back

1014
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 2: here Monday, they added Stephan Diggs for a mid round pick,

1015
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: all of your chain, all of your all of your ass.

1016
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: Might be in that instance a super Bowl contender.

1017
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: You might be. You might be legitimately because then the draft.

1018
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: Right, just hoping if things go right, we can we

1019
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: can maybe make the Super Bowl. No, if you trade

1020
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: for Stefan Diggs, you are legitimately one of the top

1021
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: four or five teams in the league.

1022
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: And Wilson gets better, not worse. You know, quarterback plays

1023
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: still on question. And you go into the draft saying

1024
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: we're gonna draft a center, might take a tackle, We'll

1025
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: probably take a Day two corner and receiver. See what

1026
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: Chips land and maybe Spencer Rattler shows up here or

1027
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: something like that. Who knows. You know, you got a

1028
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: lot of draft capital. I don't think I'm making stuff

1029
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: up or I was talking about this like I was

1030
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: a degenerate college creative writing student. If I took this

1031
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: story to my professors as a creative writer, no one

1032
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: would say that's too made up.

1033
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: And I say that because earlier today the bill sign

1034
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel and Digs immediately tweeted out a picture of

1035
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: him waving goodbye on his social media.

1036
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 2: Something's happening there, He's going somewhere. I think, I think

1037
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: this is as good as spot as any to be

1038
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: very honest with you. And then this move, that Deontay move,

1039
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: would all add up, you know, Like again, I keep

1040
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 2: thinking there's a shoe to drop that would be a monster. Shoot,

1041
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: I'd be.

1042
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: A huge, huge shack shoe on your head.

1043
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 2: But I just don't think it's crazy talk.

1044
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it is either. And I think

1045
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: that Omar Khan has shown that he's willing to make

1046
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: these kind of moves. He's aggressive kind of moves.

1047
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: And Diggs is a very similar style to Deontay route Runner,

1048
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: but he's bigger, it's just better. And Bean he's a

1049
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: Hall Fame type guy. Yeah right, right right. I mean

1050
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: you may have added two future Hall of famers to

1051
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: your offense if you do something like that.

1052
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: Who still presumably have something left in the tank. Diggs

1053
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: has a lot left and I think, you know, one

1054
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: more thing here before we go. But I think a

1055
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: lot of these moves are being made. You heard it

1056
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: when when the Steelers, when when Cam Hayward wins Walter

1057
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: Payton Man of the Year Award and he's talking about

1058
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: he's thirty five, he's gonna be thirty five years old,

1059
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: and we know it to Cam that to go for this,

1060
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like he deserves a chance to try,

1061
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: you know, a super Bowl.

1062
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1063
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 1: TJ. Watt deserves a Super Bowl.

1064
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: I don't think the off season approach has been let's

1065
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: just get young for twenty twenty six. No, No, I

1066
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: don't think, you know, let's wait.

1067
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: For Kenny Pickett to finally, you know, get it.

1068
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 2: Right, or let's try to get top five pick next

1069
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: year and get whoever the next guy is. I don't

1070
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: think that's the approach at all.

1071
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: No, So that would be one move I would be

1072
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: all on board.

1073
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: On that's my favorite. Yeah, Mike Williams is my other one.

1074
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: Oh, i'd be because you don't have to. It doesn't

1075
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: cost you anything to go get him right. But he's

1076
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: not the player of the stuff on Diggs either.

1077
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: Hakeem and Samson going down the Sidlin so I know

1078
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: about William's health. To be honest, with their ability has

1079
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: been a problem.

1080
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: Their ability has been an issue. And again I apples

1081
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: the apples. If I'm if I had to pick one

1082
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: of the two, I'm taking Digs. Even though it's going

1083
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: to cost in the hand, it's going to cost me

1084
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: a draft pick.

1085
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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that because he's gonna catch a hundred balls. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he always does right, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Let's get through a break. That's going to do it

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Speaker 1: for our number one of the drive. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: with our number two right after this