Speaker 1: What's up, guys. Hope you're having a good weekend. Sunday Sampler.
Speaker 1: Some highlights from some of the podcasts that you may
Speaker 1: have missed. The Bobby Cast, Four Things with Amy Brown,
Speaker 1: Sore Losers Movie, Mike's Movie podcast, Get Real with Caroline Hobby.
Speaker 1: On the Sore Losers lunchbox ran into a major celebrity
Speaker 1: in the world of sports, and then the guys played
Speaker 1: good dad or bad Dad. You can hear that coming
Speaker 1: up in a second. On Get Real with Caroline Hobby,
Speaker 1: she sat down with singer songwriter Sarah Beth Tate. Sarah
Speaker 1: Beth is awesome. She's also been on the road with
Speaker 1: Eddie and I. And in the Bobby Cast, Riley Green
Speaker 1: stopped by the house. It was the longest that Riley
Speaker 1: and I have ever hung out. We're forced to sit
Speaker 1: there for an hour, but it ended up being great.
Speaker 1: And the other time it's been very quickly doing shows together.
Speaker 1: But man, I like this, dude, I think you will too.
Speaker 1: So let's go first with the Bobby Cast. And if
Speaker 1: you like this, go listen to that episode because maybe
Speaker 1: you just missed it, or go subscribe to the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2: Here you go. The Bobby cast with Riley Green.
Speaker 1: Help.
Speaker 2: Do you get any sort of flack for how old
Speaker 2: are you? Know, thirty five or six? Yeah, I got
Speaker 2: married a couple years ago, but I.
Speaker 1: Was thirty nine when I got married, and everybody back
Speaker 1: home was like, you're broken or gay because you're not married.
Speaker 1: Is everybody where I was from was you got married
Speaker 1: at nineteen twenty?
Speaker 2: I mean not you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, everybody my parents and yeah, they were
Speaker 1: convinced the thing that I was off, like intellectually or
Speaker 1: that I just they were like, it's okay if you're gay.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like gay, and if I was, I
Speaker 1: would tell you.
Speaker 2: But I've been called a lot of things. But it's
Speaker 2: like I'm thirty nine and you're thirty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that now it's probably at least everybody
Speaker 3: that knows me personally has seen what my lifestyle is
Speaker 3: like in the sense of how much I'm gone. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't have regular relationships with my friends.
Speaker 2: But what about it at home?
Speaker 1: Are they like Riley, well, you know, well you're not
Speaker 1: married because at home they don't see probably what your
Speaker 1: travel like.
Speaker 2: My mom didn't see my travel life was like yeah,
Speaker 2: my mom, My mom has my calendar. Oh yeah, she's.
Speaker 3: My mom has been really great about that. It's like
Speaker 3: maybe early on, I'm sure she had a little bit
Speaker 3: of that and was worried about me, you know, finding
Speaker 3: somebody whatever. But now I think she just knows that
Speaker 3: this is such a timely point in my career. I've
Speaker 3: obviously been very blessed and I have accomplished things I
Speaker 3: never thought I would.
Speaker 2: But there's also a lot of opportunity that comes with that.
Speaker 3: And I just kind of had in my head when
Speaker 3: I was going to sign a record deal to just
Speaker 3: put my nose down and grind it out and do
Speaker 3: everything they asked me to do anything I could for
Speaker 3: a couple of years, which that's stretched into five now.
Speaker 3: But uh, I think they get that, and I don't
Speaker 3: see a lot of pressure. I think that my lifestyle
Speaker 3: is going to have to change where I go from
Speaker 3: playing you know, one hundred and twenty shows a year
Speaker 3: to sixty.
Speaker 2: But what's going to make that happen? Though? Oh, like,
Speaker 2: what's what's a fact?
Speaker 3: That's a great question, because I because it's you know,
Speaker 3: as you well know, it's up to me.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I mean I could turn down anything I want to, Uh,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I hope it's just something clicks and
Speaker 3: we get to a place where I can say, this
Speaker 3: is the budget for the year, this is how many
Speaker 3: shows we can go do it. I'm happy with making
Speaker 3: this much and this is the career I'm going to
Speaker 3: have from this. And maybe that's from you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of opportunities not being available that are right now.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a probably one of the more
Speaker 3: scary things about it is knowing that with this type
Speaker 3: of travel schedule and lifestyle, I don't really have much
Speaker 3: chance of beating somebody, and how much things are gonna
Speaker 3: have to slow down for me to get to that place.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's also a momentum based industry very much.
Speaker 3: It's such a battle to stay relevant right probably now
Speaker 3: more than ever because of all the avenues of new
Speaker 3: music and a new artist discovery or whatever that is.
Speaker 1: So it feels like if you let up by letting
Speaker 1: something else in, regardless of what it is, if it's
Speaker 1: you want to go away for three months to hunt,
Speaker 1: or if you want to have a serious relationship, like
Speaker 1: you're like, well, if I have dedicated this is the
Speaker 1: struggle that I went through. If I dedicate my time
Speaker 1: to this, then this is going to suffer. And so
Speaker 1: I was never going to get married. Just I was
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, I'm never gonna have time
Speaker 1: for it because I also I feel like I am
Speaker 1: I have a huge imposter syndrome, and like, if I
Speaker 1: don't keep going, I'm never going to get back to
Speaker 1: this level. And then I met my wife and it
Speaker 1: was like she kind of bost me out of it,
Speaker 1: and for the first time ever, I let her because
Speaker 1: I was happy that I met a person that as
Speaker 1: much as I was annoyed by it, I was more
Speaker 1: annoyed by the fact that maybe she wouldn't be there.
Speaker 1: And it was the only time and I dated. But
Speaker 1: I mean it was you know, I had my move
Speaker 1: to Nashville. Holy crap, I never got girls, and I
Speaker 1: got all the girls at once that it was so
Speaker 1: it was wild, and then it was this is weird.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, I'm never getting married.
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 1: And then I met my wife and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I really don't want to slow down. But worse than that,
Speaker 1: I don't want to like lose her. That's whomever I
Speaker 1: don't even know, you're You're you never married, right, never
Speaker 1: married anything. That's what we because you're not going to
Speaker 1: ever go. I only want to make this much money
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just uh, you know, it's a really funny
Speaker 3: thing to say, probably to my buddies back home from
Speaker 3: now side looking in, because they're like, oh, man, rather
Speaker 3: meets but where do you really meet a girl at?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Where do you get to
Speaker 2: invest time in a human exactly?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 3: And and you know social media is probably whereas some
Speaker 3: people would use that to meet people, it's the opposite
Speaker 3: for me because how do you really use that, you know,
Speaker 3: with what I do for a living.
Speaker 2: So it's it's an interesting thing. Like I said, I've uh,
Speaker 2: I mean I.
Speaker 1: Used it, but it wasn't for good Yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: used it, but it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't for meeting somebody to marry, right, It wasn't like
Speaker 3: long term investing. The girls I've met on Instagram probably
Speaker 3: watched wrestling, and mom probably let them watch wrestling, so
Speaker 3: it would never work, or they were wrestlers.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But no, I've I've had a couple of years where
Speaker 3: we've said, man, let's take off November and and and
Speaker 3: let me you know, go hunt just kind of disconnect
Speaker 3: and write whatever, and we've never taken one off, so
Speaker 3: it'll it'll it'll be that. I think that I've I've
Speaker 3: guaranteed myself a career that's more than I've ever thought
Speaker 3: I would have.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, there's just so much opportunity,
Speaker 3: and I think the only thing that makes me nervous
Speaker 3: about my career is not making the absolute most of it,
Speaker 3: you know, not getting every opportunity that I can.
Speaker 1: But you're never gonna get every opportunity can You're never
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get to every opportunity I had to.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you if you go to therapy
Speaker 2: at all, but god dango, this was I.
Speaker 1: Know it's probably what this is therapy because I go
Speaker 1: to like have we go to a couple's counselor and
Speaker 1: I go to my own and he was like, because
Speaker 1: I would say that, and I'm a little older than you,
Speaker 1: so I would be like, if I don't take advantage
Speaker 1: of everything, and he's like, you'll.
Speaker 2: Never be able to take advantage of everything. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You're you're running on a hamster wheel that you can
Speaker 1: never get to go fast enough to actually matter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it's a little bit of an
Speaker 3: overthinking type thing. I will say, I'm mindful that there's
Speaker 3: nothing that I feel like I'm gonna miss if that
Speaker 3: makes sense, Like if my career panned out right now
Speaker 3: and it is what it is, I can go play
Speaker 3: shows for the next fifteen years. I would still be
Speaker 3: very excited about that. So it's not like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be leaving something on the table. I just know there's
Speaker 3: opportunity right now. And it's almost like, I'm sure you
Speaker 3: were the same way. When I'm sitting around, I'm thinking, man,
Speaker 3: what could I be doing nothing? That's pretty tough to
Speaker 3: explain to a girl. Let's say you've gone on a
Speaker 3: couple of days with and she wants to know why
Speaker 3: you have a day off and you want to go
Speaker 3: right or you want to go do this or that,
Speaker 3: you know, And for me it was hunting. That was
Speaker 3: a really hard thing to explain, Like why would you
Speaker 3: want to go sit in the woods by yourself after
Speaker 3: being on the road for eighty days this year and
Speaker 3: I haven't found the answer to that?
Speaker 5: Be kind, good, kind.
Speaker 6: Cast up man, little food for your So life ain't
Speaker 6: Oh it's pretty bad, Hey, it's pretty beautiful man life
Speaker 6: a little more exciting because said he can't cut your
Speaker 6: kicking up with Full Thing with Amy Brown.
Speaker 7: Hey, it's Amy Brown from four Things with Amy Brown,
Speaker 7: and here's what we talked about this week on my podcast.
Speaker 7: The first thing that we're going to do here is
Speaker 7: messing up at work and like how to not let
Speaker 7: it completely get you down. Because I just messed up
Speaker 7: big time on the podcast. I thought it was just
Speaker 7: going to be between me and Morgan Massingale, who was
Speaker 7: my guest, and it was actually for the fifth Thing
Speaker 7: earlier this week. She ended up not being my guest.
Speaker 7: If you listened to that, you didn't hear her because well,
Speaker 7: we recorded it in Bobby's office, which is where we
Speaker 7: are right now, and she shared a lot about her
Speaker 7: dating life. Well, I did not have her microphone up
Speaker 7: and so the audio is just me, so that's not
Speaker 7: gonna work. So I thought, well, this is just between
Speaker 7: me and Houston, my producer, and Morgan. I informed her
Speaker 7: and she was like, oh good, because I feel like
Speaker 7: I overshared, so maybe this is a good thing. So
Speaker 7: Lunchbox found out about it, and then he brought it
Speaker 7: to the Bobby Bone Show yesterday. As a bonehead story
Speaker 7: of the day, and I thought, okay, well now everybody
Speaker 7: knows and I feel as though I am a professional
Speaker 7: in this field. I've been a radio for almost eighteen years.
Speaker 7: I should know what I'm doing. I should check levels
Speaker 7: and volumes, and sometimes you make a rookie mistake. But
Speaker 7: then when they brought up the bonehead story of the
Speaker 7: day and that I was a bonehead for doing that,
Speaker 7: they brought up a couple of other times where I
Speaker 7: have messed up on the podcast.
Speaker 8: I'll say, even the best of the best make mistakes.
Speaker 7: Well, so I would love for you to share a time.
Speaker 7: Maybe you've messed up at work, and then if anybody
Speaker 7: else has messed up at work, I'm going to go
Speaker 7: through a guide to help you move forward after your
Speaker 7: mess up. And maybe you don't mess up at work.
Speaker 7: Maybe you've messed up in a friendship or a relationship
Speaker 7: or something else. But it's looping in your head like
Speaker 7: you're a failure. What's wrong with you? You're an idiot. You're
Speaker 7: so stupid, that's my narrative. Yeah, how do you even
Speaker 7: have this job? So do you have any mess ups
Speaker 7: at work? Are you perfect?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 8: I mean I feel like, I mess up every day,
Speaker 8: and for me, the thing that has always helped and
Speaker 8: I'm like, as I get a little more wise each
Speaker 8: year that passes is like identifying it and just owning
Speaker 8: it really early, because if I let it fester, then
Speaker 8: I go down that rabbit hole that you were just
Speaker 8: talking about. But I would say my typical mess up
Speaker 8: where I'm catching myself is I say what I'm thinking
Speaker 8: out a little too abruptly, well just matter of fact,
Speaker 8: when I'm like, I need to like filter that a
Speaker 8: little bit in the trust circle because they might receive
Speaker 8: that is criticism when I'm trying to, you know, get feedback. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you bet so. I mean that's a consistent like, oh crap,
Speaker 8: I messed up.
Speaker 5: In my head.
Speaker 7: This is how you move on after you've messed up
Speaker 7: at work or maybe just messed up in general. I
Speaker 7: feel like this could even apply to parents. Sometimes we
Speaker 7: mess up and you may be reacting away with your
Speaker 7: kids you didn't want to or you're not proud of,
Speaker 7: and so this could I think apply to that as well.
Speaker 9: Step one, allow yourself to feel awful about it, but
Speaker 9: not for too long. Don't just stuff it down.
Speaker 7: Be like, okay, I can feel bad about this and
Speaker 7: the volume down on the podcast microphone.
Speaker 9: Again, that's not a big deal, is it.
Speaker 7: However, I respect people's time, and Morgan sat here for
Speaker 7: thirty minutes and took time out of her day to
Speaker 7: do that, and so then I felt bad for her
Speaker 7: wasting her time. But then when all of your coworkers,
Speaker 7: who all have their own podcasts, and clearly they checked
Speaker 7: to see of the volumes up, just another little like
Speaker 7: it kind of like whack the mole. Like sometimes you
Speaker 7: get up and then it's like you're not feeling that
Speaker 7: great about yourself anyway, and then boom, you get whacked down.
Speaker 7: You're like, because sometimes I wonder why am I here?
Speaker 7: What am I even doing? And then that sort of solidifies, like, well,
Speaker 7: just whack me down and be like I knew I
Speaker 7: wasn't supposed to be here. But that's not always the
Speaker 7: narrative in my mind.
Speaker 8: But sometimes it can be sharing with.
Speaker 9: You that I have those thoughts.
Speaker 7: Step two, keep things in perspective, which I feel like,
Speaker 7: that's what I just did a little bit, so you
Speaker 7: can walk through that for yourself. Step three, confront your
Speaker 7: war first case scenario and then let it go. Why
Speaker 7: are you giving big eyes to Patrick.
Speaker 8: So we had some conversation yesterday when we were flying
Speaker 8: over that leadership in our company. Sometimes it's my job
Speaker 8: specifically to anticipate kind of the worst and maybe think
Speaker 8: about more of the negative, like what could go wrong
Speaker 8: just in case something doesn't work out. We have kind
Speaker 8: of a quick plan of action, but sometimes in our
Speaker 8: conversation it can come across like I'm pretty negative. And
Speaker 8: so we were just talking through that this morning. I said, Hey,
Speaker 8: we talked about it, planning through it. I'm going to
Speaker 8: put that back on the shelf and now we're just
Speaker 8: going to focus on the good and the positive. But
Speaker 8: I mean, that's something we've talked about a lot, because
Speaker 8: sometimes you know, as the leaders, you have to anticipate
Speaker 8: what could go wrong.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm glad you bring that up, because that's actually
Speaker 7: Step four, create a game plan for next time. And
Speaker 7: my game plan this time was before we sat down
Speaker 7: to record, I went and got my headphones so I
Speaker 7: can make sure we are all good to go. And
Speaker 7: sounds like that's what y'all do at your company. Step
Speaker 7: five apologize if you need to, but don't overdo it.
Speaker 7: I apologize to Morgan. Okay, we're step six, take better
Speaker 7: care of yourself. And I was reading more in the
Speaker 7: article about this, and it was like, if you're taking
Speaker 7: care of yourself, you can be on your A game.
Speaker 7: We should be treating ourselves like professional athletes, like worrying
Speaker 7: about our sleep, our work, our fuel, how we're training,
Speaker 7: all the things. And then you notice more clarity and
Speaker 7: fewer errors in your life if you are training like
Speaker 7: an athlete, which does make me think of how Bobby
Speaker 7: always says he's always training like stay ready, never got
Speaker 7: to get ready.
Speaker 8: You got to have a little pain to have a
Speaker 8: little gain, And I think there's truth in that and
Speaker 8: to what you're saying, I mean, to better yourself. Sometimes
Speaker 8: you got to go through hard things. But in coming
Speaker 8: out of that, you got to identify because I realize
Speaker 8: not taking care of myself doesn't allow me to show
Speaker 8: up for the people that rely on me, because I
Speaker 8: was just going to a point of exhaustion thinking like
Speaker 8: I got to do what I need to do to
Speaker 8: serve everyone and make sure sure and I'll say that
Speaker 8: like self righteously, but you know the people that rely
Speaker 8: on me that I do what I need to to
Speaker 8: make sure they have what they need and that we're
Speaker 8: having success. But man, it whit me last year. So
Speaker 8: I'm learning, Yeah.
Speaker 7: And I have to learn how to make sure I've
Speaker 7: got content for my listeners. They're showing up, I, you know,
Speaker 7: serving them in a way with something which I still learned.
Speaker 7: Later in the afternoon, I had no episode and I
Speaker 7: went upstairs when I was at home and I recorded something.
Speaker 7: So something went up and it just wasn't what I
Speaker 7: had spent time with Morgan on and so I still
Speaker 7: felt that it was important. But had I been on
Speaker 7: my A game, who knows, maybe I wouldn't have messed
Speaker 7: up with Morgan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 9: If you've messed up in any way.
Speaker 7: Shape or form, there's your guide to get over it quickly.
Speaker 7: Oh I didn't go back to did I s? Step
Speaker 7: earn back your trust through your actions, not just your words. Boom, No,
Speaker 7: that's step seven. We'll wrap with that one. And I
Speaker 7: feel like I'm already earning back trust. I came in
Speaker 7: with my actions, put my headphones in, check the volume,
Speaker 7: and here we are crushing it.
Speaker 2: Let's do it live. Oh the two So loser?
Speaker 10: What up?
Speaker 2: Everybody?
Speaker 11: I am lunchbox. I know the most about sports so
Speaker 11: I'll give you the sports facts, my sports opinions, because
Speaker 11: I'm pretty much a sports genius.
Speaker 12: What up, y'all at his scison. I'm from the North.
Speaker 12: I'm in Alpha Male. I live on the West side
Speaker 12: of Nashville with Baser, my wife. We do have a
Speaker 12: white picket fence at the apartment complex. Soon I'm gonna
Speaker 12: have two point five kids, and yes, sadly, I will
Speaker 12: die of a heart attack when I'm seventy two years old.
Speaker 2: Here's a clip from the last podcast. We're gonna play
Speaker 2: a game.
Speaker 11: It's called Good Dad or Bad Dad?
Speaker 2: About me?
Speaker 12: I left my kids in a hot car.
Speaker 11: No, it's not about me. It's about a teacher hooking
Speaker 11: up with a student. Okay, she got arrested for hooking
Speaker 11: up with a high school student. She's a high school teacher, right.
Speaker 11: The only problem is the dad of the student got
Speaker 11: arrested also because he knew about the relationship. Wow, So
Speaker 11: she came over to the house and was like, I
Speaker 11: want to bang your son.
Speaker 2: Where are you gonna tell me?
Speaker 12: This was Crime Podcast of the top one hundred podcasts
Speaker 12: right now in the country, the biggest handle, the biggest
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Speaker 2: Over to you.
Speaker 11: So my question is is that a good dad or
Speaker 11: a bad dad?
Speaker 12: Well, originally he knew about it, didn't disclose what he knew,
Speaker 12: then was found out and caught by an unbelievable investigation.
Speaker 11: A Missouri teacher accused us sexually hooking up with a
Speaker 11: teen and the father knew.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing.
Speaker 12: Back in the day, you couldn't tell these timelines. But
Speaker 12: now with text messages, you're able to find when the
Speaker 12: dad found out. Back in the day, you could have said, oh,
Speaker 12: the dad just found out after the fact. Now you
Speaker 12: know the dad knew about it for months, and so
Speaker 12: then he gets in trouble too. Because of Apple, text messages,
Speaker 12: the ring camera on your doors, crimes are able to
Speaker 12: go a more in depth than they've ever been able to.
Speaker 11: Yeah, the reason they got busted is because the sixteen
Speaker 11: year old had scratches on his back from one of
Speaker 11: their sexual encounters, and he showed a picture of his
Speaker 11: scratches to one of his friends, said check out what
Speaker 11: she did to me why we were hooking.
Speaker 12: Up, And the friend told authorities. Yes, damn that friend man,
Speaker 12: first of all, not a friend anymore.
Speaker 2: That's going to end their friendship. They're now foes.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: A second witness told investigator that the student's father had
Speaker 11: been told by both the teacher and the team about
Speaker 11: the relationship, and the witness claim to authority is that
Speaker 11: the teacher and the alleged victim, you student, lookout why
Speaker 11: they had sex during school?
Speaker 2: That's one step deeper.
Speaker 11: I mean they had someone standing guard outside the door.
Speaker 11: So when someone was coming bang on the door.
Speaker 2: Dude, what subject did she teach?
Speaker 12: And usually, dude, our teachers always tried to act more mature.
Speaker 2: These teachers our kinky.
Speaker 11: The father said he did not stop the relationship because
Speaker 11: he believed they would continue to have the relationship behind
Speaker 11: his back anyway. The father was charged with first degree
Speaker 11: engagement the welfare of a child. So my question, good
Speaker 11: dad or bad dad? Is he being the cool dad? Like, oh, dude,
Speaker 11: you're hooking up with this hoty ass teacher. Like she
Speaker 11: ain't bad looking, dude?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely bad dad.
Speaker 12: It was a high school, so maybe she's she's probably
Speaker 12: not that much older than the kid.
Speaker 2: No, she's only twenty six. He's sixteen, but.
Speaker 12: He's less than eighteen, so that makes it bad.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 11: No, I understand why it's illegal, but is he good
Speaker 11: dad or bad dad?
Speaker 2: It's bad dad.
Speaker 12: I mean it wasn't just one time where the dad felt,
Speaker 12: oh man, I'm making a bad decision. I mean, it
Speaker 12: must have been a lot of times where he goes, man,
Speaker 12: should I really can let this continue going.
Speaker 11: On because I'm thinking the dad's like, man, this is
Speaker 11: so cool, my teacher. My sixteen year old's hooking up
Speaker 11: with a hottie. And maybe the dad's thinking maybe one
Speaker 11: day I'll get to.
Speaker 12: Hook up with the hotty dude. No, not that or pops. Hey, kids, happy,
Speaker 12: I'm happy he's getting good grades.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's a dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just looks like DGAF.
Speaker 11: Doesn't give a damn right. I mean I thought that
Speaker 11: was a crazy story that he just let her.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I guess you go bad dad,
Speaker 2: bad dad at one time occurrence.
Speaker 12: Hey, man, take this to your grave. Don't ever tell
Speaker 12: anybody about it. I'll hold your secret. But if he continues,
Speaker 12: you're gonna get found out. You can do anything for
Speaker 12: one time. Once you get to like ten times, twenty times,
Speaker 12: thirty times, that's when you get in trouble.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Hey, it's Mike d And This week on Movie Mike's
Speaker 4: Movie Podcast. I got to talk to the director of Wonka,
Speaker 4: came out last year with Timothy shallow May. I love
Speaker 4: this movie, so it was super excited to get to
Speaker 4: talk to him about the process of making that movie,
Speaker 4: about casting Timothy shallow May, and I also got to
Speaker 4: talk to Kayla Lane, who plays Noodle in the movie.
Speaker 4: So maybe you still haven't seen the new Wonka, But
Speaker 4: if you're like me and are a big fan of
Speaker 4: the original movie, I think you'll enjoy this interview. Be
Speaker 4: sure to check out this week's episode to hear it
Speaker 4: in its entirety. But right now, here's my interview with
Speaker 4: Paul King, the director of Wonka.
Speaker 8: How are you, Paul, I'm really good.
Speaker 5: Thank you? How are you?
Speaker 2: I am great, good to get to talk to you.
Speaker 13: The original Willey Wonka is one of my top ten
Speaker 13: favorite movies of all time, so I hold it very
Speaker 13: precious and after seeing Wonka, I completely loved it and
Speaker 13: I'd have to imagine it was such a hard thing
Speaker 13: to do. And the thing I want to start with
Speaker 13: first is I love the way Timothy shallow May portrayed Wonka.
Speaker 13: Did you have that vision first before he was cast.
Speaker 2: Or was he cast and then that vision and it
Speaker 2: came to life.
Speaker 5: Well that's a really good question. First of all, thank you.
Speaker 14: That means a huge amount to me, because the original
Speaker 14: Willy Wonker is is right up there for me too,
Speaker 14: and it's a daunting experience to kind of walk in
Speaker 14: those footsteps. I think when I started working on the movie,
Speaker 14: i'd been fortunate enough to meet Timothy in that kind
Speaker 14: of year where he did call me by your name
Speaker 14: and Lady Burden knew what a wonderful actor he was,
Speaker 14: and I really wanted to write something for him, and
Speaker 14: so pretty much from the second David Haym has suggested
Speaker 14: a young Willy Wonker film to me, I was like, well,
Speaker 14: that could be Timothy shaller Mate. So there's obviously never
Speaker 14: a guarantee that you're going to get the actor that
Speaker 14: you want, but in my head I sort of went, well,
Speaker 14: him or someone like him, I don't know who there
Speaker 14: is like him would be absolutely wonderful in this world
Speaker 14: because he feels so sort of mercurial, but he's also
Speaker 14: emotionally grounded and slightly unknowable, and he has that whole
Speaker 14: sort of range, and I felt that he could feel
Speaker 14: like a young a younger, Willie want Coral, you know
Speaker 14: Gene Marder twenty years before the events of that movie.
Speaker 14: Like it felt like there's a sort of kinshit there somehow,
Speaker 14: but without doing an impression. And you know, once we'd
Speaker 14: written the script and sort of sent it to him,
Speaker 14: it's a nerve wracking moment because you sort of go,
Speaker 14: if it's not you, I really don't know who it
Speaker 14: could have been.
Speaker 5: And I thank my lucky stars.
Speaker 13: He said, yes, you mentioned Gen Wilder there, And I
Speaker 13: got to imagine when you're you know, had this vision
Speaker 13: of this movie in your head, there's all these things
Speaker 13: you want to pull from the original. Was there anything
Speaker 13: that you didn't get to put into this movie that
Speaker 13: you wanted you from the original? Either it was too expensive,
Speaker 13: or it just didn't work, or it just didn't make sense.
Speaker 14: There was one bit we tried to do the forward
Speaker 14: role and the pop up thing, and it felt it
Speaker 14: just felt a.
Speaker 5: Little shoehorned into the moment.
Speaker 14: It was felt like kind of an Easter egg for
Speaker 14: the sake of an Easter egg. And and we didn't
Speaker 14: do it in the end because it felt like it
Speaker 14: was it was there for fans rather than because it
Speaker 14: didn't serve the story, so I think. But what was
Speaker 14: so funny was how much kind of went in and
Speaker 14: some of it where it went in, and I'd kind
Speaker 14: of forgotten where it had come from. But you know,
Speaker 14: obviously I sort of imbibed the original so much that
Speaker 14: it was sort of like would come out and you
Speaker 14: sort of go just little bits of choreography and little gestures,
Speaker 14: and we always kind of were aware of it on set,
Speaker 14: where you go, oh, you could do the cane thing,
Speaker 14: and you could do the step thing, and and this
Speaker 14: is the coin and the storm draining, and I think
Speaker 14: some of the kind of building blocks. It was kind
Speaker 14: of really looking at that movie and the original book
Speaker 14: and go, here's the kind of this is like the
Speaker 14: playground you're in now, now go play with the toys.
Speaker 13: I think my favorite shot out of the entire movie,
Speaker 13: Like I'm just a stickler for cinematography, and when I
Speaker 13: see a great shot, I just make a note of it.
Speaker 13: The one shot I made a note of it's whenever
Speaker 13: there's that great silhowere to Timothy Shell, May you really
Speaker 13: just see like the shadows on his face and the
Speaker 13: outline of the hair, how much time goes into just
Speaker 13: getting there.
Speaker 5: One shot probably too much for that shot that was.
Speaker 14: I mean, I love that shot so much, but it
Speaker 14: was it was it was actually a find on the
Speaker 14: quite near like on the day, I think that we
Speaker 14: had the shot of him from behind with the behind
Speaker 14: the doors, like when he opens the door and walks out,
Speaker 14: and that was going to be our hero shot, and
Speaker 14: we were setting it and went, oh, there's a lovely
Speaker 14: there's a found that there was this lovely profile and
Speaker 14: chunking through my incredible cinematographer.
Speaker 5: We then went, this is a lovely angle.
Speaker 14: But we kind of wanted to get both and we
Speaker 14: were sort of trying to get it, and then we were, Okay,
Speaker 14: we're gonna have to stop everything and get this silhouette
Speaker 14: perfect because it could be the.
Speaker 5: Shots of the movie.
Speaker 14: And I do remember we filmed it and it was
Speaker 14: like we sort of didn't one where he goes here
Speaker 14: we go Mama, and I was like, that's definitely how
Speaker 14: the treasure that's going to start.
Speaker 5: And then there it is.
Speaker 13: The thing about this movie is that it feels oddly
Speaker 13: nostalgic for me. And I was born in the nineties,
Speaker 13: so even the original came out was before my time,
Speaker 13: but there are so many different generations of Willie Wanka fan.
Speaker 13: Do you have the people who discovered it maybe in
Speaker 13: the two thousands, the people who love the original, and
Speaker 13: then it's a family movie at the same time. How
Speaker 13: do you watch that line of making a movie that's
Speaker 13: appealing to kids but also appealing to the adults who
Speaker 13: are just lifelong fans.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's it's It's funny how that it is interesting
Speaker 14: because it's definitely I think most kind of like known
Speaker 14: characters and known through one iteration, you know, like you
Speaker 14: sort of go iron Man, say you go, most people
Speaker 14: will have come to it through the Robert Downey junior
Speaker 14: iron Man, you know, or you sort of go, there
Speaker 14: will be some comic book fans, but you sort of go,
Speaker 14: there's one kind of hero iteration. Willi Wanka really isn't
Speaker 14: like that, as you say, because there's the book, which
Speaker 14: has an army of fans around the world, is one
Speaker 14: of the best selling childrens book of all time.
Speaker 5: You got two absolutely beloved movies.
Speaker 14: And it's it's really tricky to kind of to to
Speaker 14: sort of walk that line. And I guess what I
Speaker 14: realized early on was you sort of have to your
Speaker 14: pick your hero references, and for me, it was like
Speaker 14: the book first and foremost because that's the kind of
Speaker 14: the mothership, and I didn't want to do anything that
Speaker 14: wouldn't kind of sit comfortably with that.
Speaker 5: And then the the g Model movies.
Speaker 14: So in my DNA, I mean, I was born in
Speaker 14: the seven, but I really grew up with that movie
Speaker 14: as my Willy Wonka so and there were so many
Speaker 14: iconic choices they made that I kind of wanted to
Speaker 14: honor in terms of like balancing kids and grown ups.
Speaker 14: I sort of, for me my favorite family movies and
Speaker 14: my favorite movies probably in general, movies that can can
Speaker 14: appeal to everyone. And I never really try and go,
Speaker 14: here's a bit for the kids and here's a bit
Speaker 14: for the grown ups. Just try and make something that's
Speaker 14: as exciting and fun for everyone.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 14: It's kind of I think my co writers, Simon and
Speaker 14: I we're trying to make each other laugh and find
Speaker 14: things that we find emotional or funny or silly or
Speaker 14: eccentric or you know, touching, and if it works, pray
Speaker 14: that there are enough people out there with our sense
Speaker 14: of humor and sentiment.
Speaker 15: Carne, she's a queen and talking so.
Speaker 2: She's getting really not afraid to face episode, so just
Speaker 2: let it flow.
Speaker 13: No one can do we quiet car Line is sounding Caroline.
Speaker 16: Hey, y'all, it's Caroline Hobby from Get Real with Caroline Hobby.
Speaker 16: And here is a clip from this week's episode. All right,
Speaker 16: I'm so excited to be back with another bonus episode
Speaker 16: of Call Caroline, where you the listener leaves your burning questions.
Speaker 16: I have Sarah Beth Tait joining me. And also, just
Speaker 16: so you know, you can call and leave a message.
Speaker 16: Go to the link of this podcast and then hit
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Speaker 16: message because I know you got a burning question. So
Speaker 16: are you ready, Sarah Bath? We had a great interview
Speaker 16: on Monday. I think I'm ready, and so now let's
Speaker 16: see what people got to say.
Speaker 17: Hi, Caroline and Sarah Beeth. I was wondering if the
Speaker 17: two of you could chat a little bit about work
Speaker 17: life balance for moms. I think that there are a
Speaker 17: lot of demands on moms these days to show up
Speaker 17: for their kids and their families, but also be all
Speaker 17: over their career and showing up for that as well.
Speaker 17: How do the two of you overcome some of those obstacles.
Speaker 17: How do you find the balance between your personal life
Speaker 17: and your work life.
Speaker 10: That's a good question. You're crushing the game when that's
Speaker 10: how you go. No, you go no, no no.
Speaker 15: I I hear you on the pressure to.
Speaker 18: Like I said, I mean, I fully believe that we
Speaker 18: can do all the things that we're passionate about, and
Speaker 18: being a mom doesn't mean that we can't do the
Speaker 18: other things.
Speaker 15: But I also do.
Speaker 18: Feel like we put a lot of pressure as moms
Speaker 18: to you know, there's the mom guilt either way. So
Speaker 18: there's the mom guilt if you're staying home, there's the
Speaker 18: mom guilt if you're gone. We're kind of damned if
Speaker 18: we do damned if we don't, honestly, and we do
Speaker 18: that to ourselves.
Speaker 15: But I think the balance for me has been in.
Speaker 18: Always doing, always doing what I feel like is right
Speaker 18: for Aila, and making sure that she's fully taken care
Speaker 18: of and fully has me or Colby or some you know,
Speaker 18: always having what she needs and that she's taken care of.
Speaker 18: And then letting myself, you know, not putting that pressure
Speaker 18: on myself, and just you know, being present the days
Speaker 18: that I'm gone, being present in that being extra present
Speaker 18: the days that I'm home, Yeah, and just yeah, trying
Speaker 18: to get by honestly week to week.
Speaker 10: It's a lot.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I know, I do feel you in that because
Speaker 16: it was like I feel like my like my mom's generation.
Speaker 10: I've talked to my mom about this before.
Speaker 16: Her generation was the first generation where they were like
Speaker 16: coming out of the stay at home, leave it to beaver,
Speaker 16: you know, where like you're you really aren't a career woman.
Speaker 10: Yes, you know, it's hard to have a job. You're
Speaker 10: supposed to raise a family and stay at home and
Speaker 10: all that.
Speaker 16: And then like I feel like my mom's generation kind
Speaker 16: of like started finding their way a little bit, and
Speaker 16: then there was like this next generation, which would be
Speaker 16: kind of like mine, where it's like you.
Speaker 10: Got to be a boss.
Speaker 16: You gotta be a you know, you gotta girl match
Speaker 16: the man, the girl boss, Like you got to prove
Speaker 16: that you can hang in there. And then it's like
Speaker 16: I feel like Taylor Swift is doing a great example
Speaker 16: of showing us this.
Speaker 10: It's like you want to have a relationship and have
Speaker 10: that part of your life and that feminine part of your.
Speaker 16: Life as well as being able to carry this big career.
Speaker 16: And it's like you want to be able to be both,
Speaker 16: you know.
Speaker 10: Like I don't.
Speaker 18: I don't feel like I think the pressure comes when
Speaker 18: we feel like we have to be perfect at all
Speaker 18: of those things and do it all at the same time,
Speaker 18: and that one takes away from the other, because that's
Speaker 18: where like the guilt starts creeping in of like oh,
Speaker 18: oh my gosh, like you know, what if I'm being
Speaker 18: a bad mom today because I'm doing this, or what
Speaker 18: if you know what if today I'm missing out on
Speaker 18: being the girl boss that I should be because I'm
Speaker 18: home with my daughter and it's like let it for me,
Speaker 18: letting go of all the labels of all of that
Speaker 18: and just really since she was born, week to week,
Speaker 18: day by day, it's literally like, Okay, here's the schedule
Speaker 18: for this week. It's always different in this crazy industry,
Speaker 18: and it's like doing the things that matter both at
Speaker 18: home and in work, and you know, figuring that out
Speaker 18: with your partner and trying to just truly.
Speaker 15: Do what feels right for that week.
Speaker 18: Yeah, and then not worrying about like the next week
Speaker 18: and the week after that.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 16: And like we said earlier, I don't know if we
Speaker 16: said this on the podcast or just talked about it.
Speaker 16: But you're bandwidth, like you when you do become a mom,
Speaker 16: like you only have bandwidth for stuff that truly matters.
Speaker 16: Because it's like I could just be home doing nothing,
Speaker 16: but if I'm with Sunny, that is very important work,
Speaker 16: you know, because you're with your child and being present, yes,
Speaker 16: and not being distracted.
Speaker 10: Yes.
Speaker 15: And I think you know that too.
Speaker 18: Is like, Okay, So if I spend the day playing
Speaker 18: with Jembo size legos and singing Almo songs all day,
Speaker 18: that is important work to me.
Speaker 15: Yes, that is worth my time.
Speaker 10: It's worth all your time.
Speaker 18: And I'm not going to spend that night scrolling on
Speaker 18: Instagram feeling like I missed out on something because I didn't.
Speaker 16: You're present with your daughter, yes, showing her that you
Speaker 16: show up for her and that she's the only thing
Speaker 16: that matters and that she has your full focus.
Speaker 10: Yeah. And it's just picking.
Speaker 16: It's like making choices, like you don't do everything that
Speaker 16: you did before for your career.
Speaker 10: Probably it's a lot more selective.
Speaker 18: And then and then other days, I'm leaving her with
Speaker 18: someone that I know and trust and love, and that
Speaker 18: person is present with her and taking care of her,
Speaker 18: and she knows that MoMA's coming home, and she knows
Speaker 18: that she's going to have a fun and I am
Speaker 18: doing something that matters. It is important to me that day,
Speaker 18: and I'm not going to feel guilty right doing that, right.
Speaker 10: I love that. Just being super intentional.
Speaker 16: I feel like that's really the best way to balance it,
Speaker 16: being super intentional, intentional prioritizing what really matters, how much
Speaker 16: time you need, Like I know how much time I
Speaker 16: need to be with Sunny to make sure to fill
Speaker 16: my personal cup and her cup.
Speaker 10: Like if we don't have enough time.
Speaker 16: Like she acts different, She's more emotional, Like she even
Speaker 16: like developed stomach aches when like I was sending her
Speaker 16: to school a little longer, she started developing stomach aches
Speaker 16: of like anxiety. And I'm like, you know, you can
Speaker 16: just tell when they just need to be with you more.
Speaker 16: And I want to be with her all the time.
Speaker 16: But it's like you also have to prioritize the gift
Speaker 16: and your passion, of your talent and your job.
Speaker 10: So I think, yeah, thanks super intentional.
Speaker 18: Well, and like you just said, I think you I
Speaker 18: think you can feel if your balance is off too,
Speaker 18: and and feeling we have definitely had I mean there
Speaker 18: are phases. I think it's just an ebb and a flow.
Speaker 18: You know, you go through phases where you're like, this,
Speaker 18: you got to figure something out here because this balance
Speaker 18: is off and this is not how we want this
Speaker 18: to feel. And I think in those moments you just
Speaker 18: have to recalibrate and figure out what works and what doesn't.
Speaker 18: But there is no script for this, let me tell you.
Speaker 10: Like you, oh my gosh, constant pivoting all the time. Literally,
Speaker 10: it's like juggling bananas.
Speaker 15: I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.
Speaker 10: Half the time ever, never any idea.
Speaker 15: I'm like, how did we get through this week? I
Speaker 15: don't know, we just did. Yeah, it's just like a hey,
Speaker 15: it's a blur.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 16: But I do feel like working Mama is like it
Speaker 16: is definitely it's a constant, Like like you said, it's
Speaker 16: a day to day, constant thing, and you just have
Speaker 16: to be intentional and you're not always gonna get it right.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 16: Sometimes you're going to give more time to work. Sometimes
Speaker 16: you're going to you know, give more time, and you're
Speaker 16: gonna not give your work what you need, you know.
Speaker 16: And it's just like you said, recalibrating being able to
Speaker 16: just like change it all the time.
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