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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: Wednesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.

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Speaker 2: I've got a lot to talk about. Obviously, the Israel

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Speaker 2: Hamas war continuing to unfold in the news. There was

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Speaker 2: a major air strike yesterday. Immediately you have those who

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Speaker 2: are sympathetic to the cause of civilization and Israel pointing

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Speaker 2: out that this strike hit an area that had been

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Speaker 2: laden with weapons and tunnels underground, and that the civilian

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Speaker 2: human shield aspect of it was intentional. The pro Palestinian

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Speaker 2: side of things, with the pro Hamas side of things

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Speaker 2: saying this is a war crime.

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Speaker 1: So you're going to.

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Speaker 2: See that day in and day out as the conflict continues.

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Speaker 2: You also have the FBI Director, this was from actually

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Speaker 2: yesterday while we were on air on Capitol Hill, saying

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Speaker 2: there's a heightened risk of terror attack in the US

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Speaker 2: and even Democrats are starting to look at the border,

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Speaker 2: which we will talk about later on in the show

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Speaker 2: as a major national security vulnerability because we effectively have

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Speaker 2: a wide open border. Also, some interesting updates from a

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Speaker 2: representative comer on the Biden crime family money trail follow

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Speaker 2: the money and you will learn a lot about the influence, pedling,

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Speaker 2: and corruption of Biden, inc. So we shall discuss that

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Speaker 2: as well later on in the program. Plus play is

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Speaker 2: going to have some Halloween updates. I am sure Halloween

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Speaker 2: over here at the Sexton residence was pretty mellow, pretty mellow.

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Speaker 2: So let's dive into this, look like because I think

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Speaker 2: that and I know there was. This story is getting

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Speaker 2: a lot of attention. Some individual, a student at Cornell,

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Speaker 2: posted threats against the Jewish community on the Internet, and

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Speaker 2: now they're saying he has me mental health issues, and

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Speaker 2: you know, he's facing years and years in prison. I

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Speaker 2: don't think people really believed that he was an imminent threat,

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Speaker 2: but the point is you're not allowed to threaten people

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Speaker 2: that way using interstate commerce or interstate communications.

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Speaker 1: So now he's facing federal charges Cornell.

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Speaker 2: So it's an IVY League student saying that he was

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Speaker 2: going to I think, you know, commit violence against the

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Speaker 2: Jewish community center there at Cornell. People are looking around

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Speaker 2: Clay and they're saying, hold on a second, how has

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Speaker 2: this happened? Where in the aftermath of really the worst

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Speaker 2: mass casualty terror attack we've seen since nine to eleven

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Speaker 2: and in some ways, you know, the graphicness and the

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Speaker 2: viciousness of this attack is unsurpassed. I mean, you could

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Speaker 2: not be more evil than what we saw Hamas do

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Speaker 2: to Israel. These college kids play are running around and

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Speaker 2: they're talking about this as though these are honorable resistance fighters,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it's practically like the Founding Fathers against

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Speaker 2: and immoral on so many of these campuses about this

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Speaker 2: and where did these ideas come from? Where does this

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Speaker 2: notion of Hamas as something other than an evil death

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Speaker 2: cult come from? And I just wanted to turn us

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Speaker 2: for a second to Elon Musk's conversation with Joe Rogan

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Speaker 2: on the Joe Rogan Podcast, which had some very interesting moments.

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Speaker 2: Elon was making the case he obviously owns x now

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Speaker 2: formerly Twitter, and Elon was saying something I think is

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Speaker 2: very important, which is that the control that the far

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Speaker 2: ideology is being pushed by social media, not by X

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Speaker 2: anymore as an entity.

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Speaker 1: But by other social media. This is cut two.

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear this exchange, and Clay, I

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Speaker 2: want to hear your sense of it.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like a death cult.

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Speaker 1: It's a death cult. No, No, that is exactly right.

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Speaker 4: It's essentially the extinctionists, like it's in the limit. It

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Speaker 4: And there's some people who are like, most of the

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Speaker 4: Like there's a guy on the front page of New

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Speaker 4: York Times who literally has the thing called the extinctionist movement,

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Speaker 4: the world, but it would be better if there were none.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, buddy, you can start with yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Claiy just they're talking about the climate

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Speaker 2: extremes here as well. But the point is death cult

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Speaker 5: And I think what Elon has hit on, and it

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Speaker 5: is a very important, very important lesson that I think

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Speaker 5: I think Israel has really and the Hamas situation made

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Speaker 1: Over our national discourse.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's always important to what they sold

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Speaker 5: us Buck was the idea of Twitter is giving voice

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Speaker 5: to everyone. This is a great way to sample public opinion.

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Speaker 5: And I think what the reality is when you actually

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Speaker 5: dial into the data. First of all, only one in

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Speaker 5: fifty people, I think is the number right now ever

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Speaker 5: post on Twitter. So you're talking about two percent of

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Speaker 5: the American population that is actually posting on Twitter. Not

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Speaker 5: very representative. And the group that does post on average

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Speaker 5: Buck is left of the average resident of Portland, Oregon

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Speaker 5: in their policys. And so what happened was you created

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Speaker 5: a world where if you ran I don't know, the

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Speaker 5: you saw all of this left wing activism on your account,

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Speaker 5: and everybody inside of your company came to believe that

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Speaker 5: should be to make Twitter happy. How does victorious secret

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Speaker 5: for instance, Buck, which we talked about a little bit.

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Speaker 5: How do they go from we want gorgeous women wearing

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Speaker 1: How do we get here?

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Speaker 5: And how you and I have been I think on

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Speaker 5: the idea being to a large extent, social media is

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, you look at at history and radical

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Speaker 2: movements that sees power often lack broad support. Correct after

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Speaker 2: Even the Bolsheviks, for example, in the Soviet Revolution, the

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Speaker 1: That's what a Bolshevik is.

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Speaker 2: They were never a majority of support among the Russian people.

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Speaker 5: The German fifty Revolutionaries that took over the whole island.

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Speaker 2: The Germans sent Lenin almost like a virus into Russia

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Speaker 2: at exactly the right time in a locked down train car, right, They're.

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Speaker 1: Like, hey, we're just gonna let them go through.

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Speaker 2: So this notion that because an ideology catches on and

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Speaker 4: If you've walked around downtown San Francisco, right near the

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Speaker 4: XFKA Twitter headquarters, it's a zombie apocalypse. I mean it's rough.

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Speaker 4: Now you have to say, well, what philosophy led to

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Speaker 2: Now, can I just say, Clay, I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: it's brilliant, the end of civilization. We've been talking about

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Speaker 5: keep my kids off Twitter. Instagram is rife with this TikTok.

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Speaker 5: So if you're out there and you're thinking to yourself, Hey,

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Speaker 5: and he said, hey, Dad, I saw that this player

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Speaker 5: friends were texting it to me because for fantasy football purposes,

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Speaker 5: The woke mind virus is a great way to describe it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now you're starting to see and that's why

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Speaker 5: Welcome in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we

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Speaker 1: Is it December first?

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Speaker 5: I think I believe it is December first where everything

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Speaker 1: So that is not very far away.

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Speaker 5: But Buck, I wanted to hit you with something that

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Speaker 5: up state of Michigan. Michigan I believe, according to the

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Speaker 5: Tallly was won by about one hundred and fifty thousand votes,

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Speaker 5: a tiny pinprick that he won that state. Flip back

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Speaker 1: There's a huge Arab population in Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Well, the dear Muslim Muslim population were being in particular

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Speaker 5: And there's also a large Jewish population in Michigan. Let's

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Speaker 5: That could be the difference in Michigan by itself, and

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Speaker 1: I think the.

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Speaker 2: Israel Hamas War will be over long before the height

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Speaker 2: right now that is starting to unfold, Clay, is the

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Speaker 2: I think that there will be. You know, the machinery

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Speaker 2: He's gonna run against Holly so he can primary Congresswoman

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Speaker 2: This is somebody who has just decided, oh, I'm not

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Speaker 1: There's the Joe Biden wing of the.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, building on what you said New

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Speaker 5: Front page of the Wall Street Journal today. Again, this

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Speaker 5: Josh Gottheimer, who is a centrist, went after everybody who

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Speaker 1: Who did you see this? I didn't see this until

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Speaker 5: And so the fight over Israel and Hamas inside of

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Speaker 5: the the CIA background. If you were setting we feel

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Speaker 1: Almost almost no chance. Okay, it'll be resolved.

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Speaker 5: Over under how long does Israel Hamas and the tension

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Speaker 5: you would think that this IDF response, at least to

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Speaker 5: this initial terror attack would be complete. I think, yeah, probably,

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Speaker 5: and next summer I think there'll be very little discussion

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Speaker 5: unless there's some other, you know, major attack conflagration in

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Speaker 5: the at least I don't think that this will be

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Speaker 5: And look look at how much Afghanistan played the Afghanistan

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Speaker 5: withdrawal played in the twenty twenty two midterms. Almost not

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Speaker 5: at all, almost not at all. I mean you barely

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Speaker 5: even heard about it, even though we had all those

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Speaker 5: visuals of people at the airport, even though we lost

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Speaker 5: ten Marines. So that suicide bomber, even with Biden administration,

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Speaker 5: blew up a car with a guy somebody in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just you know, saying that, oh there are

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Speaker 1: suicide members a total screw up. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, this is didn't didn't factor into

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. So I just think that you're you know,

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Speaker 2: the the Israelis are going to go in. They're probably

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Speaker 2: going to have six to eight weeks of operations against Hamas.

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Speaker 2: That would be my that would be what I would think,

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Speaker 2: based on the size and the situation they're facing. They'll

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Speaker 2: be humanitarian stuff afterwards, and there'll be a lot of

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Speaker 2: you know, UN meetings and resolutions and condemnations. But I

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Speaker 2: don't think this is I don't think this is a

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Speaker 2: top five issue for the electorate. I don't even think

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Speaker 2: it's a top ten issue for the electorate absent absent

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Speaker 2: a major terror attack on US soil, which we'll talk

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Speaker 2: more about in the third hour. But there are warnings

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Speaker 2: from the FBI. Now, you know, is this a fight

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Speaker 2: with Israel and Helmas and limited to it, or does

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Speaker 2: this become essentially jihad two point zero like what we

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Speaker 2: saw in one point zero being nine to eleven in

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Speaker 2: the aftermath, does this come and turn into something much larger?

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Speaker 2: I don't think that that happens, but nobody can predict

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Speaker 2: the future.

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Speaker 5: I think the one hundred and fifty thousand or so

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Speaker 5: largely Biden supporting Muslim voters in Michigan, this will impact

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Speaker 5: their turnout.

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Speaker 2: For but Claire, Remember they remember what the White House

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Speaker 2: does though, right they say, you know you have Korean

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Speaker 2: Jean working in Oh, we're so concerned about Islamophobia.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: They they do this, They play both sides on this

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Speaker 2: issue a little bit enough that they give themselves the

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Speaker 2: cover from the White House so they don't alienate that,

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Speaker 2: you know, the the voter base in say a place

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Speaker 2: like Michigan and specifically Deerborn. Michigan has a very large

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Speaker 2: Muslim and Arab Muslim population. So you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if they really blame like I think they also

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Speaker 2: recognize the reality of American politics. Is what's Biden going

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Speaker 2: to say He's going to side with Hamas. No, They're

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Speaker 2: going to make noises about humanitarian concerns. They're gonna make

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Speaker 2: noises about the need to be careful with civilian targets,

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Speaker 2: which they're already doing. So, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: that they blame Biden, like I don't think that the

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Speaker 2: voters in you know, I don't think that the voters

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Speaker 2: you're talking about expect this White House to sound like

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Speaker 2: Rashida to leave, you know what I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: think that.

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Speaker 1: I get that. I think they could.

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Speaker 5: They didn't expect Biden to be as pro Israel as

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Speaker 5: he has been.

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Speaker 2: Really, I think so, I don't know, I mean, even

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Speaker 2: go back and look at obama speeches on Israel, and

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Speaker 2: Obama was particularly like ISRAELI is new that Obama was

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Speaker 2: not on their tea, but you know that he had

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Speaker 2: a lot of very He was probably the most pro

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Speaker 2: Palestinian president certainly in my lifetime.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't think of anybody else.

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Speaker 2: And and but you know, the USA to Israel continued,

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Speaker 2: and you know, US collaborative relationship with Israel continued. I mean,

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Speaker 2: so there's a little bit of a bipartisan consensus that

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Speaker 2: you know, it's almost like medicare spending.

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Speaker 1: It just keeps happening, It keeps happening, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that It's an interesting topic to me.

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Speaker 5: It's it's like everybody thinks that you're on their side

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Speaker 5: until there's a fracture and this identity politics coalition gets

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Speaker 5: challenged and you realize that it requires a hard choice

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Speaker 5: and that there is not an ability to say that

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Speaker 5: you're on both the side of Israel palse and everybody

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Speaker 5: has to choose in some way. I also think that

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Speaker 5: there's a it's very clear with with the Democrat base

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Speaker 5: that the thing, the current thing, whatever it is, can

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Speaker 5: change it. You know, you know, look at how they're

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Speaker 5: trying to mold in and I want to talk about

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Speaker 5: this more Ukraine and Israel.

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Speaker 2: Although these are like these are very similar issues, they're

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Speaker 2: not very similar issues. But the current thing could change

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Speaker 2: to be BLM three point zero by the time we

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Speaker 2: get to well, they'll certainly make that attempt.

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Speaker 5: I would I would wager a lot of money that

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Speaker 5: BLM will come rising back up out of the ashes

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Speaker 5: come June and July to argue that cops are racist again.

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Speaker 2: And threats of threats against our democracy. And so you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that that Hamas is going to be

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Speaker 2: particularly high on the radar when these voters actually go

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Speaker 2: to casser ballots, but.

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Speaker 1: What we shall see for sure?

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Speaker 2: What do you think, By the way, if you live

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Speaker 2: in Michigan, if you have any thoughts on this one

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Speaker 2: eight hundred and two eighty two two eight A two,

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Speaker 2: you know firearm sales are up of last several weeks

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Speaker 2: because of the threat of violence and instability because of

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Speaker 2: these events in the Middle East, and also people have

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Speaker 2: seen things going on where they realize they want to

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Speaker 2: be able to defend themselves. There's a spike in gun

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Speaker 2: sales as a result of this, and with gun ownership

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Speaker 2: comes a responsibility to learn how to use your firearms

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Speaker 2: safely and effectively. Training is key, but it's not always

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Speaker 2: easy to get to the range, which is why you

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Speaker 2: should have a Mantis X. The mantis X is a

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Speaker 2: firearms training system that is a no ammo all electronic

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Speaker 5: Don't miss the day of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 5: Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: We're now joined by Alan Dershowitz, law professor and attorney.

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Speaker 2: He defended President Trump during the impeachment trial, and he

563
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Speaker 2: has a new book coming out is available for pre

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Speaker 2: order right now, War Against the Jews, How to Stop Hamas.

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Speaker 2: Barberas and Professor Derschwitz appreciate you being with us, sir.

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Speaker 1: Can we start?

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Speaker 2: We have some legal we have some legal questions to

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Speaker 2: get to with you, but we wanted to start with

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Speaker 2: what you are seeing, what we are all seeing on

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Speaker 2: campus across America when it comes to the anti Semitism

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Speaker 2: and the outright often support for Hamas after this mass

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Speaker 2: casualty terror attack.

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Speaker 1: How did it get to this point?

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Speaker 6: It got to this point because professors administrators at college

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Speaker 6: is leaned over backwards in support of what they call diversity,

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Speaker 6: equity and inclusion to create anti Semitic, anti Jewish, anti American,

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Speaker 6: anti Judeo Christian values at universities universities have now been

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Speaker 6: propagandizing their students who woke leftist rest for a number

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Speaker 6: of years now. So this doesn't surprise me, but it

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Speaker 6: tells us what the future of America may look like

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Speaker 6: unless changes are made, unless there's a reckoning now with

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Speaker 6: how universities have become a kind of their dishterma. The

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Speaker 6: German Nazi newspaper that espoused anti Semitism, I mean my

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Speaker 6: own students. I taught at Harvard for fifty years. Thirty

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Speaker 6: three student groups blamed the rapes, murders, beheadings on Israel

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Speaker 6: before Israeli himpired a shot in response Allan that it was.

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Speaker 5: Are you hearing what Bucke and I have been discussing,

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Speaker 5: what the lingering impact of this might be, how long

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Speaker 5: the Hamas Israel current issue might exist. But are you

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Speaker 5: hearing from a lot of people? You spent much of

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Speaker 5: your career on the left. Have people come to you

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Speaker 5: and said, hey, you know what, maybe you were right

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Speaker 5: about a lot of the things that you've been saying.

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Speaker 5: Who are traditional on the left? And do you think

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Speaker 5: Jewish voters in particular may be more open to understanding

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Speaker 5: that they are not in much alliance as much alliance

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Speaker 5: as they thought with the left in this country.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I think that's definitely happening. Now do they have

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Speaker 6: a home in the Republican Party, that's less certain. So

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of Jews feel abandoned and homeless politically.

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Speaker 6: Certainly they don't identify with the progressive woke squad or

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Speaker 6: people on the hard left, or the majority of young

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Speaker 6: Democrat students who today oppose Israel and support Hamas. And remember,

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Speaker 6: we're not talking about supporting the Palestinians. We're talking about

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Speaker 6: supporting the group that has done the most harm to

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Speaker 6: the Palestinians, namely, have mask Hamas killed, the Palestinian leaders,

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Speaker 6: engaged in a coup, has created horrors for the Palestinian

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Speaker 6: people in Gaza. So you know, these are not pro

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Speaker 6: Palestinian demonstrations, they're anti Semitic, anti Israel demonstrations. I document

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Speaker 6: that in my book The War against the Jews, and

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Speaker 6: it goes back in time. Really really, the significant event

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Speaker 6: was the horrible police killing of George Floyd that caused

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Speaker 6: the reckoning and a changing of curriculum of the admission criteria.

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Speaker 6: Hundreds of millions of dollars were spent building up administrations

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Speaker 6: and administry tours for this so called diversity, equity and inclusion,

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Speaker 6: which has turned out to be lack of diversity, just

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Speaker 6: diversity based on skin color, not on on ideas, lack

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Speaker 6: of equality and exclusion of Jews, Christians, patriotic Americans.

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Speaker 2: We're speaking of Professor Alan Dershowitz's book coming out Warwick City.

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Speaker 2: He has multiple federal criminal trials outstands. What have you

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Speaker 2: seen so far in this DC trial from Judge chuck

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Speaker 2: In and do you think that that's actually on track

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Speaker 2: to be tried before the election.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and there'll be a conviction. They couldn't have gotten

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Speaker 6: a better judge. The prosecutors somebody with a long, long

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Speaker 6: history of a very strong bias in favor of the

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Speaker 6: Democratic Party and against people like Trump, And they couldn't

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Speaker 6: have gotten a better venue for a jury. The people

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Speaker 6: picked for this jury will hate Trump, so there will

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Speaker 6: be a conviction without a doubt. You know, they would

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Speaker 6: convict a ham sandwich if it had the name Trump

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Speaker 6: on it. The question is will leave me an appeal

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Speaker 6: before the election. My prediction is there'll be a conviction

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Speaker 6: before the election. The appeal will reverse the conviction, but

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Speaker 6: it will be too late to influence the election. This

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Speaker 6: is election interference. This is an attempt to try to

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Speaker 6: influence the election. But I'm not a Trump supporter. I

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Speaker 6: have a constitutional right to vote against some as many

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Speaker 6: of your listeners have a constitutional right to vote for

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Speaker 6: him or against him. But I want a fair election.

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Speaker 6: I don't want election with a thumb of the Justice

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Speaker 6: Department on the scale, or with people trying to get

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Speaker 6: him disqualified. Under the fourteenth Amendment, he has to be

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Speaker 6: able to run, and if he wins, he wins. If hees,

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Speaker 6: he loses, tarn square. But if we're not to become

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Speaker 6: a banana Republic, we can't allow the incumbent administration to

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Speaker 6: use a criminal justice system to disqualify or discriminate against

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Speaker 6: the strongest candidate against him. I have a podcast called

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Speaker 6: Their Show in which I get that bananas and we're

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Speaker 6: up to six on a scale of ten, and if

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Speaker 6: he's convicted in any of these trials, we're going to

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Speaker 6: get up to seven and eight. And that's not what

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Speaker 6: America is about. In America, we elect our presidents. We

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Speaker 6: don't have the Justice Department. There are secretaries of state

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Speaker 6: decides who can run.

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Speaker 5: We're talking to Alan Dershowitz, a legendary, a lawyer. What

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Speaker 5: do you think would happen if Judge Chuckkin or anyone

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Speaker 5: else tries to put Trump in jail based on violation

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Speaker 5: of a gag order? Do you think that would immediately?

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Speaker 5: Do you think they'd be willing to do it?

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Speaker 1: How would you?

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Speaker 5: I know you're talking about banana republics here. To me,

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Speaker 5: that's even crazier. And so that's part one of this question.

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Speaker 5: Part two, what do you think if Trump is convicted

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Speaker 5: they would try to do? Would they try to put

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Speaker 5: him in jail pending his appeal? Like, how do you

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Speaker 5: see this process playing out? Because that's just crazy talk

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Speaker 5: to me, without any precedent to even contemplate.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you, and I think that cooler minds

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Speaker 6: would prevail, particularly when we have appellate courts. If you

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Speaker 6: will put in jail for violating a gag order, that

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Speaker 6: would be immediately appealable and it would be reversed. He's

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Speaker 6: not going to jail until after the election. If he's defeated,

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Speaker 6: it's possible he would go to jail even if he's elected.

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Speaker 6: You have two state cases, New York and Georgia, and

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Speaker 6: the President can't grant the parton in state cases, and

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Speaker 6: Georgia has mandatory prison term. So it's conceivable, but it's

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Speaker 6: unlikely that a person could be elected president of the

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Speaker 6: United States and also be sentenced to prison. You know,

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Speaker 6: we did have a mayor of Boston who was serving time.

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Speaker 6: We had Eugene V. Debs and ran for president in

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Speaker 6: nineteen twenty I think who was in jail for opposing

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Speaker 6: the war, the First World War. So anything's possible, but

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Speaker 6: I think it's unlikely. I think the likeliest result is

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Speaker 6: we'll see two, perhaps three convictions, no jail pending appeal,

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Speaker 6: and the convictions will be reversed an appeal after the election.

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Speaker 6: But the convictions may themselves influence the election and give

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Speaker 6: rise to new claims that our election system is unfair.

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Speaker 1: So you are standing on principle.

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Speaker 5: I give you a lot of credit for this, even

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Speaker 5: though you say you're not a Trump supporter. I don't

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Speaker 5: know if you know Attorney General Merrick Garland very well.

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Speaker 6: Very well.

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Speaker 1: Now, okay, how do you think he sleeps at night?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I thought he slept very well. As

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Speaker 6: a judge, he was a.

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Speaker 7: Very good judge, and I actually supported his nomination at

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Speaker 7: the Supreme Court. I think he has had a very

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Speaker 7: difficult time maneuvering between the political aspects of his office. He's,

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Speaker 7: after all, the.

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Speaker 6: Cabinet member supposed to advise the president in every aspect

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Speaker 6: of his presidency, including getting reelected. At the same time

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Speaker 6: he's the chief law enforcement officer. It's an impossible high

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Speaker 6: wire act to manage, and so I think, you know,

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Speaker 6: I don't give him very high grades on that. He

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Speaker 6: should have immediately appointed a special prosecutor to investigate President Biden.

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Speaker 6: I don't myself. I don't think Biden's guilty, but there's

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Speaker 6: enough there to cause an investigation. Right now, the only

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Speaker 6: investigation in Biden is for his possession of classified material,

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Speaker 6: but there ought to be. If there's a special council

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Speaker 6: investigating Trump, as there was resulted in an indictment, two indictments,

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Speaker 6: they should also have been a special counsel to investigate

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Speaker 6: Biden's dealing in dealings in Ukraine and his dealings with

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Speaker 6: his son.

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Speaker 2: Professor Alan Derschwitz everybody. He has a book coming out,

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Speaker 2: War against the Jews, How to Stop Hamas Barbarism, available

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Speaker 2: for pre order right now on Amazon. Professor appreciate your time.

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Speaker 6: Sir, Always my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show Buck. You

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Speaker 5: got some special birthday greetings to give out.

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Speaker 2: My mom's birthday is today, Jane. My mom is the

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Speaker 2: matriarch of the Sexton crew, and I'm very fortunate.

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Speaker 1: I love my mom very much.

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Speaker 2: I think I have the best mom in the world,

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Speaker 2: which is something that I hope a lot of other

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Speaker 2: folks out there feel and can say so. Happy birthday

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Speaker 2: to Mom. I think she's the best.

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Speaker 5: Well, congratulations to Mama Sexton. There are a lot of

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Speaker 5: people who are going to take issue with you saying

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Speaker 5: she's the best mom in the world, including me, who

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Speaker 5: I also have a fabulous mom. But the single greatest

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Speaker 5: gift any child can be given, beyond the shadow of

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Speaker 5: a doubt, superb parenting. I mean, it is the single

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Speaker 5: I think most important determinant to kid's success or failure

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Speaker 5: out there, and I hope I can be as good

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Speaker 5: as my parents were for me with my three boys.

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Speaker 5: And if you set a good example, it hopefully continues

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Speaker 5: to echo throughout generations to come. So the happy birthday,

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Speaker 5: Mama Sexton. Good job with your son, and hopefully good

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Speaker 5: job that Buck'll do here down the line and in

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Speaker 5: the future with his own family.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, sir. And your boys are so polite.

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Speaker 2: I love that when they call me mister Buck. I

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Speaker 2: always think that's so fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so far they're they're pretty good.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 5: I've got two teenagers, so we'll see how they do

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Speaker 5: with the fifteen and the thirteen year old now, but

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Speaker 5: so far I think they've done They've done a decent job.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to play this because we were talking about

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Speaker 5: Joe Rogan sitting down with Elon Musk And by the way,

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Speaker 5: we are going to have a special interview next week.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes we are willing to travel for interviews. I think Buck,

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Speaker 5: you would agree with this if Elon at some point

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Speaker 5: and we can reach out. I'm not even sure how

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Speaker 5: to get in touch with Elon. We're willing to do

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Speaker 5: a sit down with us. We don't want to do

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Speaker 5: like eight minutes because it's hard to you know, do

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Speaker 5: a real interview in a short period of time.

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Speaker 1: But we would be willing. They're relatively few people we'd

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Speaker 1: be willing to travel somewhere to sit down and do

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Speaker 1: a show with Elon.

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Speaker 2: And we do need to do at at least an

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Speaker 2: ho Elon. Yeah, I mean, I think he's a fascinating guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you think about this. You can talk to

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Speaker 2: him about the forefront of social media and the fight

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Speaker 2: for free speech and really ideas that benefit civilization online,

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Speaker 2: interstellar space travel, spaceships, et cetera, solar technology, electric cars,

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Speaker 2: and transportation of the future and has you know, these

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Speaker 2: are big areas that he can speak to in a

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Speaker 2: planet can So interesting guy.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. And this is a part of the interview

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Speaker 1: that I also think was important. He said.

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Speaker 5: The degree to which Twitter had been captured by the

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Speaker 5: political realm, particularly the left wing in this country, is

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Speaker 5: still not widely understood. Listen to this discussion.

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Speaker 4: The degree to which Twitter was simply an arm of

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Speaker 4: the government was not well understood by the public, and

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Speaker 4: it was there was no it was whatever the official goveran.

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Speaker 4: It was like Pravda basically, you know, it's a state publication.

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Speaker 4: Is the way to think of old Twitter. It's a

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Speaker 4: state publication.

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Speaker 3: And was the justification from their perspective that they are

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Speaker 3: progressive liberals. They have the right intentions. It's important that

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Speaker 3: they stay in power, the progressive liberals stay in government

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Speaker 3: and power.

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Speaker 4: There was basically oppression of any views that would even

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Speaker 4: I always say, could be considered middle of the road.

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Speaker 5: This is what we all saw, buck right, and Elon

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Speaker 5: has come in and said, yeah, everything that you suspected

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Speaker 5: tie this in. It is a major Supreme Court case,

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Speaker 5: Missouri v. Biden that is going to be heard by

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court, and I think it could become the

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Speaker 5: most influential, the most confluential speech case in any of

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Speaker 5: our lives, if the Supreme Court justices do a good

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Speaker 2: The challenge that I always see with this is what

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Speaker 2: are the consequences? Because unless individuals can start to sue

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Speaker 2: the federal government and get monetary damages, I don't know

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Speaker 2: that a judge's order Okay, don't censor is going to

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Speaker 2: be enough to stop this from continuing to happen. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's worth everybody being reminded of me. Yesterday

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Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about with Alex Berenson, who,

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Speaker 2: you know, Clay and I just have a lot of

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Speaker 2: respect for because when it was really hard to be

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Speaker 2: rational on COVID, he was right there. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 2: was Clay and so was I. And that's actually how

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Speaker 2: we met each other. It was because we were two

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Speaker 2: guys who were like, wait a second, what people are

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Speaker 2: doing is insane. So it was possible to know, despite

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Speaker 2: what that guy, Professor Galloway said of.

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Speaker 1: Like, it was hard, it was fog of war. We

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Speaker 1: did our best.

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Speaker 2: No, it was possible to know, but you had to

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Speaker 2: be rational and you had to be brave. And social

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Speaker 2: media sites the first time that they ever you know,

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Speaker 2: the election stuff came later right election twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 2: then you could get banned for saying, you know, election

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Speaker 2: denial or whatever. It was initially COVID where you weren't

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Speaker 2: allowed to have a dissenting opinion. That was where the

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Speaker 2: totalitarian speech police really set their sight.

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Speaker 5: And that's why Trump is one hundred percent right about

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Speaker 5: the twenty twenty election being rigged. Now we can get

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Speaker 5: into how far that rigging extended, but it started with

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Speaker 5: not allowing people to express their opinions on COVID and

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Speaker 5: we talked about this yesterday with Alex Bearnson.

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Speaker 1: I think it's.

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Speaker 5: Important to remember in June of twenty twenty, the American

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Speaker 5: Academy of Pediatrics came out and said every kid needs

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Speaker 5: to be in school because the detrimental impact from not

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Speaker 5: being in school is more dangerous to them than COVID is.

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Speaker 1: And that was opposed by.

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Speaker 5: The American Teachers' unions, Randy Weingarten end Company, and they

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Speaker 5: walked it back. But by June of twenty twenty, buck

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Speaker 5: all of the pediatricians knew, Hey, kids need to be

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Speaker 5: in school, and then for political reasons they claim they didn't.

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Speaker 1: It is indefensibly