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Speaker 1: Danna coming to you live from the NFL Scouting Combine

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Speaker 2: How about that imaging right there? Yeah? How about him? Flattered?

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Speaker 2: I'm touched and moved.

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Speaker 3: I am as well. Do you want Are we supposed

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Speaker 3: to be this far wish reach?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. You can move closer.

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Speaker 3: Come on in, you go.

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Speaker 2: You have room, you have a big table. Yeah, the water,

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Speaker 2: the water is warm. There we go, Let's go.

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Speaker 2: From the booth to the combine.

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Speaker 4: Here for Cleveland Browns Daily Today are Hot Topics of

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Speaker 4: the Day presented by University Hospitals, the official healthcare partner

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Speaker 4: of your Cleveland Browns. Scraps at Starbucks. That's how to

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Speaker 4: be the hottest topic going right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and scraps is not the name of a dog, right,

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Speaker 2: That's chumps, No, scraps is not a dog.

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Speaker 3: We're talking actually about about a throatout, yeah, or at

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Speaker 3: least a confrontation. Photos that could easily be put on

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Speaker 3: posters to sell pay per view and tickets to an event.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you right now that a major media company.

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Speaker 2: Last night, I was speaking with somebody in a significant

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Speaker 2: position at a major media company that was already contemplating

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Speaker 2: how to put together this pay per view scrap.

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Speaker 4: Given that I know who you're talking about, the way

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Speaker 4: that you described that is great and it's exactly who

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Speaker 4: you would think he is talking about right there.

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Speaker 2: Listen. It reminds me in my basement.

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Speaker 4: I have a poster WrestleMania eighteen Icon versus Icon the

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Speaker 4: rock Hole Cogan's standing face to face like that, and

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Speaker 4: I think we saw a scene reminiscent of that yesterday

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Speaker 4: at Starbucks. And that's it's been the quite frankly stolen

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Speaker 4: the show here in Indy.

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Speaker 2: I'm on team Ian, by the way, for the record,

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Speaker 2: the other guy's got the height and the and the

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Speaker 2: reach advantage by far. Listen.

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Speaker 4: The thing that could happen to Ian, that could be

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Speaker 4: his downfall is that in the middle of the fracas

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Speaker 4: he pretends to get a phone call, loses his focus

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Speaker 4: and gets knocked out.

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Speaker 3: I sense bitterness. We can't say and that wouldn't happen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen the indications that it's possible, you

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Speaker 3: know what.

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Speaker 2: Bo's not here, and I'm honored and thrilled, Like I said,

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Speaker 2: We're thrilled and flatter to be here. I'm just glad

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Speaker 2: that the idea that even without him, the show begins

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Speaker 2: with nothing but inside jokes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's great that we can.

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Speaker 3: Get you got money. We can absolutely keep that going.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about all, right, outside of the fact

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Speaker 4: that we know that there have been squabbles. What's the

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Speaker 4: one thing you think in your time here and what

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Speaker 4: I'm calling I've reached the point of my trip where

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Speaker 4: this is now combined Vegas, right, I mean we're going

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Speaker 4: into seventy.

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Speaker 2: Two hours, ready to get out of here.

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Speaker 4: Last night, very long night, very fun night with the

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Speaker 4: g Man, little Butler, basketball, little kill, Roy's little prime.

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Speaker 2: But what's the one thing you think that you've learned

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Speaker 2: so far here this week? I mean, I just think

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Speaker 2: that you know, first, as we get tired, not tired

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Speaker 2: of the combine as we've been here a while for

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Speaker 2: the fans at home tonight and now starting the drills

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Speaker 2: are tonight, the d line, the linebackers like Kenneth Grant.

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Speaker 2: We find out for Michigan just and now is not

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Speaker 2: going to run little Hammy. He's got a hammy thing.

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Speaker 2: But we get to see the actual players, maybe not

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Speaker 2: the player at number two, but the actual players the

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Speaker 2: Brons could be drafting, and that the other thirty one

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Speaker 2: teams could be drafting.

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Speaker 5: We get to see them on the field tonight.

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Speaker 2: The quarterbacks throw on Saturday, but neither cam Ward, nor

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Speaker 2: should or Sander is going to throw. The thing for

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Speaker 2: me is, before we can wrap our head around what

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Speaker 2: the Browns could do at number two, is what will

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Speaker 2: Tennessee do at number one? And that is right now

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Speaker 2: to me, the biggest unanswered question here in Indianapolis. Do

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Speaker 2: they go Abdul Carter who has a foot issue that

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Speaker 2: some people think could be concerning also the shoulder, but

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Speaker 2: the shoulder was going to be okay by March twenty

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Speaker 2: eighth and the Penn State Pro Day. Do they go

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, who the smiley Travis Hunter you saw in

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Speaker 2: New York for the Heisman was a very buttoned up

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Speaker 2: short answer Traviss Hunter on the podium today, and he

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Speaker 2: has said that he is not going to work out.

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Speaker 2: He is a corner who wants to play wide out

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Speaker 2: or a wideout that wants to play corner. But he

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Speaker 2: will work out a Colorado Pro day. He's not going

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Speaker 2: to do it here. What will Tennessee do? And then

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Speaker 2: with all of that, and it's all attached, where will

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford go? Because I'll say it, I'll say it again,

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Speaker 2: I'll say it all week. A thirty seven year old

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford is the most significant player in the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five NFL Draft because if he goes to New

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Speaker 2: York and the Giants were sitting there at three behind

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Speaker 2: the Browns, that changes things. If he goes to Vegas,

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Speaker 2: I think it's more Vegas and New York right now,

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Speaker 2: then that changes everything. The Raiders are at six? Is

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Speaker 2: there a door number three? And how do those teams

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Speaker 2: and the other teams they need quarterbacks react after we

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Speaker 2: figure out where Stafford is going?

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Speaker 5: And to me, that hangs over this entire combine.

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Speaker 4: I think you're exactly right in speaking of Stafford. What

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Speaker 4: led to this frakas was a report that Tom Brady

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Speaker 4: and Matthew Stafford were in the ski community together and

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Speaker 4: made it all the Yellowstone Club in Montange, which is

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Speaker 4: a very lovely place above both of our pay grades,

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Speaker 4: but lovely.

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Speaker 2: We know, we know people who know people, people to

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Speaker 2: know people, but not my pay grade. So there's Is

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Speaker 2: it a recruiting visit? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think you go back in rams in direct me

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Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, But I was reading that there was

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Speaker 3: kind of a we just happen to be vacationing at

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Speaker 3: the same place with McVeigh and Stafford prior.

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Speaker 4: To him becoming a Ram. They were yep, yes, So

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Speaker 4: I don't know if this is history repeating itself. If

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Speaker 4: he does go to one of those two teams, though

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Speaker 4: from a Brown's standpoint, it makes takes a team maybe

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Speaker 4: that would trade up to one ahead of you for

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Speaker 4: a quarterback off the board. Now that might, though, also

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Speaker 4: make the team that does not get him maybe more

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Speaker 4: inclined to trade up to number one.

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Speaker 5: Exactly, And he's the biggest piece in this draft.

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Speaker 2: Now. If the Giants get Matthew Stafford, there's no way

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Speaker 2: they're taking a quarterback at three. They are tanking at

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter or whomever. The what they're building around Matthew

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Speaker 2: Stafford because I firmly believe that staff Brian Dable, Joshane

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Speaker 2: know they have to win right now. They're jobs on

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Speaker 2: the line in twenty twenty five. Yes, if Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 2: John Spytech and Tom Brady trade for Matthew Stafford at six,

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Speaker 2: I would not put it past them to still take

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Speaker 2: I would not put it past them at all. And

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Speaker 2: use the Atlanta model. Use, I mean they've done that

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Speaker 2: in Seattle, sure, right, they brought in Matt Flynn. They

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Speaker 2: model there. But when we know where Stafford goes, and honestly,

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Speaker 2: let's say this too, when we know where the other

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks go Sam Darnold, most notably on March twelve, then

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Speaker 2: we could get a better feel for what the Browns

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Speaker 2: could be looking at it too.

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Speaker 4: You are uniquely connected in some ways to this situation

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Speaker 4: because obviously you're talking about how it could impact the

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Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns. Obviously you know some things from the Rams

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Speaker 4: as well, what's your gut say is he I don't

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Speaker 4: understand why he wouldn't be playing for the Rams.

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Speaker 5: It's complicated, I would say so.

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Speaker 2: Last summer Matthew wanted his contract adjusted, and it went

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Speaker 2: training camp, in Sean mcvay's introductory press conference to open

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Speaker 5: Trying to figure out this steal.

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Speaker 2: Stafford wasn't throwing at any of the OTAs or any

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Speaker 2: of the offseason stuff, and everybody was told there's nothing

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Speaker 2: to see here, but there was something Cosey he wanted.

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Speaker 2: He wanted a new deal, and what they did to

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Speaker 2: make it reasonable is they took the guarantees from twenty

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Speaker 2: five and the guarantees from twenty six and they pushed

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Speaker 2: them into twenty four. The result is right now he's

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Speaker 2: got like twenty six left and none of it is guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford should not be playing for twenty six million.

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Speaker 2: He would like a new deal. I think the number

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Speaker 2: is something like what Kirk Cousins got last year, one

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Speaker 2: hundred over two fifty a year. The Rams have drafted

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Speaker 2: well and they understand that this a year from now,

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Speaker 2: they have to pay Puka Nakua and Kobe Turner and

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Speaker 2: Byron Jones and everyone that they drafted a couple of

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Speaker 2: pay that bill for for those young pieces, right. I

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Speaker 2: think there's also some frustration at some point last year

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Speaker 2: are all kinds of a line injuries. Both wide receivers

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Speaker 2: were banged up, and the battle station wasn't truly fully

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Speaker 2: Championship game at home against the Commanders, and if you

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Speaker 2: see that they had fifteen sacks in two playoff games

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Speaker 2: of Darnald and Hurts combined, I think they would have

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Speaker 2: had a puncher's chance, if not better, against Kansas City

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Speaker 2: in the big game one hundred percent, but tougher than anybody.

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Speaker 2: Same time, they are very much a get out of

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Speaker 2: year early and that a year late team, of course,

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Speaker 2: and if they think that they're going to get a

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Speaker 2: diminishing return on a fifty million dollar because I was

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Speaker 2: just talking to somebody, Jeff Schwartz, over their jet's like,

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Speaker 2: just give them one year fifty million. Actually it was

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Speaker 2: Sam Monson. I'm sorry, Sam, just give him one year

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Speaker 2: fifty million. One year fifty million contracts don't exist, right

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Speaker 2: because the cap implications down Like, yep, that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: So I think there's also a confidence there that they

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Speaker 2: can go find another quarterback and be.

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Speaker 5: A good team.

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Speaker 2: A veteran.

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Speaker 4: You certainly wouldn't bet against him. I mean they could

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Speaker 4: say we'll pay Sam Darnold, sure, and start over on

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Speaker 4: the age standpoint, Sam Darnald's still young.

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Speaker 2: Sure, there is a world, by the way, in which

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Speaker 2: they can agree on a number and he stays there. Yep.

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Speaker 2: But they also know that right now they can't agree

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Speaker 2: on that number, and they're letting him to the market.

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Speaker 3: Will the market say that you can get what you

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Speaker 3: want or will the market say you can get what

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Speaker 3: we're offering.

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Speaker 2: I think things makes sense, man. I mean, Kelly doesn't

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Speaker 2: It's a forty five minute flight. They could give him

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Speaker 2: the contract. I'm not saying that's definitely going to happen,

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Speaker 2: but I would not be shocked at all. So that

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Speaker 3: So if the Browns could be where they're like, we

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Speaker 4: There's also a world, though, in which they prefer one

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Speaker 2: And as far as I can tell now, I'm double

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Speaker 4: Is there something and I want you to tell me,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But then again, go back to Stafford or whomever

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Speaker 2: What's that pick ninety eight? Okay, I'm just playing make

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Speaker 2: But is somebody going to offer a better deal to

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Speaker 2: six boys. I've been told that's nonsense. You know, have

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Speaker 5: Sure, But I don't think that would be legitimate.

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Speaker 2: I just look, if I'm the Browns and you and

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that if ensuring getting the one

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Speaker 2: do you think it would take next year's one? Perhaps?

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Speaker 2: But that's just me. That's what I If I were Tennessee,

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Speaker 4: And the crazy thing is, if you are correct, and

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Speaker 2: To get him. I don't know. But if you're not, look,

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Speaker 3: Which is a tough thing to Let's get let's let's

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Speaker 4: Let's just go ahead and like this and but you're

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Speaker 4: exactly right, Uh, we have got lots of people going

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Speaker 3: It was was it the wide receivers or was it

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Speaker 5: He he had both and he had the tight ends

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Speaker 2: Jason Taylor met with the Browns yesterday. But that's not

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Speaker 2: That's another thing too. When you read tam X met

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Speaker 2: I said, hey, did you meet with Abdul Carter? And

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Speaker 4: Yes, do you put more stock in if a team

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, but it's also a misinformation season. Some teams will

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Speaker 4: Throw people off, and sometimes they won't do anything with

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Speaker 6: I mean, nobody have done it, but I feel like

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Speaker 7: I do a lot of treatment.

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Speaker 2: I think he makes a very valid point.

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Speaker 4: He even in the NFL playing both ways, he is

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Speaker 2: True. I think the question is how look I've said

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Speaker 2: what I thought I've had. But I've had people answer

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Speaker 4: He's like, he's kind of like him to be like Otani. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean that's not something we've seen. We know people

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Speaker 5: I do believe.

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Speaker 2: However, he can't maintain the snapcount like the numbers last

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Speaker 4: An NFL game on average probably has what sixty five

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Speaker 4: But there's a world I could see where he could

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Speaker 2: Fifty emmanuelb Yes at all, But you know, how much

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Speaker 5: He's he's special though.

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Speaker 2: If you truly are special and you can cover the

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Speaker 4: I think Jerry Judy, Brown's Pro Bowl wide receiver who

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Speaker 3: That's all we got. We got Jerry Jude was the

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Speaker 4: And I'm remember Jerry Judy saying when he was young,

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Speaker 4: And now you got Travis Hunter watching Jerry Judy, So

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Speaker 4: of anything, but an interesting comment.

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Speaker 2: Nonetheless, Yeah, he also said that, you know, being number

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Speaker 2: one is very very well. I added the very but

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Speaker 2: he certainly havepesize it's very important to him to be

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Speaker 2: the first pick in the first pick in the draft. Fine,

443
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Speaker 2: I'd like to see that happen for you it'd make me.

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Speaker 2: I would be overjoyed. I'd probably cheer while I'm doing

445
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Speaker 2: the draft radio and well, everybody wants a quarterback. I

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Speaker 2: just again, we have this conversation for two months, is

447
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Speaker 2: everybody wants a quarterback. I get it. I kind of

448
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Speaker 2: do as well if they get Travis Hunter. I mean

449
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Speaker 2: he is an electric football player, no doubt electric. He

450
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Speaker 2: is going to bring juice to that building every single week.

451
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Speaker 2: Like if you have your heart set in a quarterback

452
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Speaker 2: and somebody jumps you and the consolation prize is Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a hell of a consolation it is.

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Speaker 4: And to me, at least I would be able to

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Speaker 4: get there. I still would want a quarterback. I like

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Speaker 4: both of them. I would at least be able to

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Speaker 4: get there with the weapon he took to me, is

458
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Speaker 4: going to help you score.

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Speaker 2: And that's You're the lowest scoring team of the NFL,

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Speaker 2: the fewest touchdowns in the NFL. That's not good. No, no,

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Speaker 2: we need to score. That's why I said.

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Speaker 4: We were sitting down with Kevin yesterday and I said,

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Speaker 4: you know, the Cleveland Browns Daily Draft has this. He

464
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Speaker 4: was an all five top one hundred two picks on offense.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think Jim Schwartz would like that, but

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Speaker 4: I could tell he he liked the idea.

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Speaker 2: How about the fact that the Falcons didn't send any

468
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Speaker 2: offensive staff here. You see that the Falcons only sent

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Speaker 2: defensive staff here.

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Speaker 3: Why they only wanted to draft defense will be about

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Speaker 3: It'll be about time fire.

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Speaker 2: I mean the Falcons haven't had a pass rusher in

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Speaker 2: twenty years.

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Speaker 4: Well, they have constantly tried rejected the idea of taking

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Speaker 4: a defensive player early. They had many opportunities, and they've

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Speaker 4: also taken guys like Tack McKinley and swung and missed.

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Speaker 3: Ta McKinley, Attack McKinley spent a cup of coffee with

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Speaker 3: the Browns t.

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Speaker 5: A KK.

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Speaker 2: Tack McKinley, I once did A had a pretty good

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Speaker 2: year with them, Yes he did. I did a pre

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Speaker 2: draft interview with Tack McKinley UCLA his own Yes. And

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Speaker 2: get this, do you know what his dog was? I

484
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Speaker 2: believe it was a French bulldog. Okay, do you know

485
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Speaker 2: what the name of his dog was? I do not

486
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Speaker 2: live on television. He revealed it was codein Huh and

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Speaker 2: you're looking at me that that sounds off and I said,

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Speaker 2: why tec would you name your dog after a narcotic

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Speaker 2: and share that and share that. Well, he had just

490
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Speaker 2: come off surgery shoulder or whatever it was at UCLA.

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Speaker 2: Who's recovering like post up. They got him a dog.

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Speaker 2: What do you want to name? Let's call the dog Codeine?

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, all right, yeah, I will say this.

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Speaker 4: He was an interesting guy when he was with us.

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Speaker 4: I had some very I had some some nice conversations

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Speaker 4: with him. He's somebody I definitely want on my side

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Speaker 4: if a situation where to go down, I think you

498
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Speaker 4: would be good. For example, he'd be good seconds for

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Speaker 4: the Insider Battle Royal. He'd be a good cornerman for

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Speaker 4: one of those guys. But that's an interesting one. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: I think some of this stuff.

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Speaker 8: Is just.

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Speaker 4: Do you get it from a worldview standpoint that everything

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Speaker 4: you're doing is part of your interview, It is part

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Speaker 4: of your resume.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about like a pre draft interview like this, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 4: You everybody, if if that was said in one of

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Speaker 4: the everybody in the room be like, excuse me.

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Speaker 2: Look, I've also done in the first round though. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I've also done pre draft interviews in which like Ronnie Stanley,

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Speaker 2: for example, great dude was on in his undershirt in

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Speaker 2: his hotel room, live on TV, looking like he just

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Speaker 2: rolled out of bed, was half asleep, which he may

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Speaker 2: have been. He turned into a first round pick. A

516
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Speaker 2: model says in a great player, not a bad kid.

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Speaker 2: Al Michael, someone should have told him to put a

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Speaker 2: shirt on.

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Speaker 4: Al Michaels does interviews in sleeveless T shirts from his

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Speaker 4: hotel rooms.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but that's that is And and all the talent

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Speaker 2: evaluators who have to go in their coaches, gms, whomever

523
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Speaker 2: supports staff will tell you that so many of these

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Speaker 2: formal interviews, now not that they're scripted, but the agents,

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Speaker 2: and it's their job to do this, have prepared prepared

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Speaker 2: so well. Like if they are red flags that you

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Speaker 2: know you're going to get asked about you, they have scripts.

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Speaker 2: You have your answer, okay. The game is to get

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Speaker 2: you out of that answer and to find out who

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Speaker 2: you really are, not to trick you, not to not

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Speaker 2: to angrily put a finger in your chest.

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Speaker 4: But to evoke a genuine response that you weren't prepared

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Speaker 4: to get. Yes, to try to get to the authentic yourself.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Yes, we're all working on that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, fifty, I haven't gotten there yet.

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Speaker 4: We'll get that. Hey, we're trying. These are the things

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Speaker 4: that we're sorting out here in Indianapolis. You're gonna sit

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Speaker 4: down with NFL Network Draft analyst Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure that will be a good conversation.

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Speaker 4: As pick Bucky Brooks as of before you guys talked,

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Speaker 4: or at least as the last time I saw his rankings,

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Speaker 4: he actually had Shador as the top quarterback and in

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Speaker 4: his first mock actually answered were going one overall.

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Speaker 2: But and here's your tea's Does that mean he thinks

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Speaker 2: the brown should take him at too? Find out when

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Speaker 2: we return.

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Speaker 4: rumkie dot com today. Andrew, we just got some news

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Speaker 4: on the salary cap.

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Speaker 2: The cap is now officially two hundred and seventy nine

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Speaker 2: point two million dollars, so the numbers have officially been

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Speaker 2: handed in. It is pegged at two seventy nine point two,

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Speaker 2: which is an increase of roughly twenty four million dollars

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Speaker 2: technically twenty three point eight million dollar increase over last year.

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Speaker 2: It is within the range, within the range that yes

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Speaker 2: they last week had given teams parameters. It's between this

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Speaker 2: number and that number. It's basically right in the middle,

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Speaker 2: two seventy nine point two. So the Browns, as expected,

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Speaker 2: all the other thirty one teams, as expected, will have

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Speaker 2: more wiggle room to do whatever it is they need

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Speaker 2: to do. But this number is it comes in exactly

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Speaker 2: as where they thought it would be.

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Speaker 3: What goes into that so they gave a range a

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Speaker 3: week ago, but they were unable to give the number

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Speaker 3: a week ago.

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Speaker 2: I can't describe the full equation, but it is with

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Speaker 2: the CBA and with the Union and the there are

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Speaker 2: different revenue buckets with the CBA, like media money goes

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Speaker 2: in one bucket, shared revenue with the players, and merchandising

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Speaker 2: goes into another bucket. They then have to empty all

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Speaker 2: those buckets, and then there is a formula that can

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Speaker 2: go year to year as to how they split it up.

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Speaker 2: And I do believe that the union does have the

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Speaker 2: right to I'm not gonna phrase this right, move some

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Speaker 2: money into subsequent years, yep. Right, And there they do

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Speaker 2: have a formula laid out in the CBA as to

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Speaker 2: how they can agree to peg the number. That was

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Speaker 2: a really bad description. It's the easiest way for me

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Speaker 2: to say that there is. It's laid out in the CBA.

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Speaker 2: Both sides have to agree on. It's two seventy nine

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Speaker 2: point two. Two seventy nine point two.

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Speaker 4: Now, the Browns are probably still gonna have even with

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Speaker 4: that room, need to do some things, make some moves

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Speaker 4: to be where they want to be. Given that you're

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Speaker 4: gonna participate in free agency to some degree, you're going

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Speaker 4: to bring in we don't know exactly what the final

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Speaker 4: number of draft picks that will come in, but right.

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Speaker 2: Now eleven, could be more, could be could be less,

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Speaker 2: could be less. You could make a trade, could make it.

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Speaker 4: So there's still money that needs to be paid out there,

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Speaker 4: and this was a roster where we still don't really

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Speaker 4: know what's happening with Joel Botonio.

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Speaker 3: We don't know what's happening with Jeremiah Usu Corromoa.

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Speaker 4: We've got the Miles Garrett obviously, the trade request out

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Speaker 4: there that has been said, we're not trading him. We

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Speaker 4: don't know what's gonna happen with Nick Chubbho's going to

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Speaker 4: go test the market free agency, and now reports are

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Speaker 4: that the Browns will, you know, match whatever he gets

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Speaker 4: out there. They're going to kind of much set the

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Speaker 4: value for Nick Chubb. So there's still a lot of

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Speaker 4: question marks around the scene. But this is helpful to

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Speaker 4: the Browns, but it's also helpful to everybody else.

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Speaker 3: What do you think Joel's going to do? And he

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Speaker 3: You and I haven't talked about this off there. No,

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Speaker 3: I I hope he comes back, so do I? Obviously

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Speaker 3: I do think you know, Joe Thomas said told us.

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Speaker 3: The longer it goes without him announcing his retirement, the

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Speaker 3: more likely it is that he comes back. So that's

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Speaker 3: what I'm holding on to. We haven't heard he's retiring yet.

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Speaker 3: I think that's I think he would certainly tell the team.

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Speaker 2: Pry.

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Speaker 4: I think if he was retiring, maybe he's told the

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Speaker 4: team already. It just isn't public if that was the way,

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Speaker 4: because I think they would want them to have every

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Speaker 4: bit of information coming into the combine to say, okay,

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Speaker 4: interior offensive line is more important perhaps than we thought,

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Speaker 4: certainly before free agency. Right, So I feel like we're

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Speaker 4: kind of getting close to a artificial deadline.

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Speaker 5: You kind of got to know by March ten.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right. So, And that's the crazy thing too,

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Speaker 2: with this condensed calendar, with the eighteen games or the

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Speaker 2: eighteen weeks. In the seventeen games, I mean, there is

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Speaker 2: no break, literally, there is zero break. The franchise window

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Speaker 2: closes on Tuesday of next week, and then you're gonna

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Speaker 2: head into We're gonna head and do next weekend, not

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Speaker 2: the weekend beginning to bar but next weekend, as that

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Speaker 2: is like the calm before every thing. Yeah, and you're

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Speaker 2: gonna see salary cap casualties players getting cut all across

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Speaker 2: the league next Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday Sunday, and.

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Speaker 4: Even we've started a little bit in Cleveland. You say,

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Speaker 4: say in the lead up, you're going to see a

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Speaker 4: lot of that as well as seams try to get

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Speaker 4: either you know, salary, cant complaint or position themselves to

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Speaker 4: be players in free agency with that money. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is it is wild. I don't know if you

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Speaker 4: get asked this all the time and the season ends,

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Speaker 4: Oh so what do you do now?

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Speaker 2: In the office, there is no there is no There

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Speaker 2: literally is no off season, and it it it's only

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Speaker 2: get worse.

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Speaker 5: We're not taking ditches here, but.

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Speaker 2: If you add an eighteenth game and the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: goes to President's Day weekend, there will be no time off.

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking for us, I mean the people behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes in the foot Bowl world actually making these

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Speaker 2: decisions and and and doing the work.

658
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Speaker 4: Why do you think, and this is kind of to

659
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Speaker 4: that point, why does the combine need to be now?

660
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Speaker 4: As we're sitting here today, the draft starts two months

661
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Speaker 4: from today. Why does the combine need to be right now?

662
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Speaker 2: Look, there's a debate as to whether or not it

663
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Speaker 2: should be before or after free agency. There are people

664
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Speaker 2: that would like the draft before free agent and see.

665
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Speaker 2: But this is the way the calendar has always gone.

666
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: The new league year begins, as I said on March twelve,

667
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: that is when everything gets reset. That's where you have

668
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Speaker 2: to be under the cap. If you look at the Browns,

669
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Speaker 2: if they do uh DeShawn restructure, you know they could

670
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Speaker 2: have twenty two something like that of wiggle room. It's

671
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Speaker 2: just the way it's always been. And free agency is

672
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Speaker 2: the way you start the new league year because contracts

673
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: end yep, and you get to sign the new contracts.

674
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Speaker 2: I mean they've they've moved a lot of things around.

675
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Speaker 2: It used to beat the schedule came out before the draft,

676
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: right and then after COVID they had to were during

677
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: COVID they needed to wait, you have uncertainty as to

678
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Speaker 2: includ you have fans and stadiums. Were there states in

679
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Speaker 2: which you couldn't have games? So they moved it back

680
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Speaker 2: a little bit. And then a funny thing happened. They realized,

681
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: wait a minute, now we could schedule games knowing where

682
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Speaker 2: the shiny objects went in the draft.

683
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Speaker 3: Yep, and we can make this another tenth pole event.

684
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Speaker 2: And right, we kind of got lucky in seventeen whatever

685
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Speaker 2: it was when we had Mariota against Jameis Winston in

686
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Speaker 2: the opener. Well, now, if we wait until after the draft,

687
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: we could set all those schedule those games, yep, and

688
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: make it up. And and now the schedule goes after

689
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Speaker 2: the draft.

690
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 4: There's a world in which let's say camera Shador ends

691
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: up a Brown, camera should ends up a Raider.

692
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Speaker 2: That's on the schedule. Brown's play after Raiders this year

693
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Speaker 2: for the second consecutive season.

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Speaker 3: That's right, So you could that could be one that

695
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Speaker 3: they Oh, that's a little bit more of an interesting.

696
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Speaker 5: It's the only game west of Minneapolis.

697
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Speaker 2: By the way, this is.

698
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Speaker 4: Other than that trip, and obviously going across the pond,

699
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 4: it's a pretty for those from the for the Brown standpoint,

700
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: is a pretty easy travel year.

701
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is pretty much all Northeast short flights. Yeah,

702
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: all northeast. Yeah, well northeast and Midwest.

703
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Speaker 4: Now, don't go and be like, well, we see that,

704
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: so we're gonna send you to Seattle the last week

705
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Speaker 4: of the preseason. You're gonna play a game that kicks

706
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Speaker 4: off at ten o'clock Eastern. No, thanks, no, no, So

707
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 4: I was a fan for that one, and yeah that

708
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: when I saw the schedule, I went like, what.

709
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Speaker 2: So, I don't need to tell you this, You guys,

710
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: the Browns were the last preseason game played for the

711
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Speaker 2: entire schedule. That's right, period. I had a preseason game

712
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Speaker 2: that day in Houston, the Rams and the Texans in Houston.

713
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: The Texans were eager to get to the preseason, as

714
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Speaker 2: were the Rams. That game kicked at twelve Central noon

715
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Speaker 2: local there in Houston. I'd say we were wheels up

716
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: at the airport by five five point thirty, Like we

717
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: got out of Dodge. I landed, and I turned on

718
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: you and Jim in the car on the way back

719
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: from the airport, like you guys were kicking off. Yeah,

720
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: like I was already practically home. The preseason was over

721
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: for everybody, not for me, and give back, not for me,

722
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: and give me absolutely all right. We did tease you

723
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Speaker 2: with it, and now we're going to deliver upon that tease.

724
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Speaker 2: Andrews sat down with NFL Network draft analysts, former second

725
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Speaker 2: round pick, former three way star Bucky Brooks.

726
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Speaker 5: This might be my favorite interview of the week.

727
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Speaker 2: Here the combine, this is this is path through the draft,

728
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: but not really, it's it's here with the Browns.

729
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Speaker 5: Bucky Brooks it's good to see you.

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Speaker 7: How you been I'm great, I'm great. How's everything in

731
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Speaker 7: the dog pound?

732
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Speaker 2: Everything the dog pat is good. If you haven't noticed,

733
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Speaker 2: I think you have The Browns are picking second. Bucky

734
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: has his new box draft out nfl dot Com. He

735
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Speaker 2: has Abdul Carter going one and then cam Ward going

736
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Speaker 2: two to the Browns as always. I know it's only

737
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: version two point oh right, Okay. Is this what Bucky

738
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: thinks should happen or is this what Bucky thinks he

739
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: hears will happen.

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Speaker 7: I think it's a combination thing.

741
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Speaker 9: I think when you are dealing the two quarterbacks at

742
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Speaker 9: the top of the boy cam Ward sir Der Sanders, guys.

743
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 7: Are gonna see them through two different prisms.

744
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Speaker 9: The reason why cam Ward makes sense to me in

745
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 9: Cleveland is all the things that have taken place in

746
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 9: Cleveland over the last five years. When it comes to

747
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 9: the quarterback position, one to have an alpha dog leader Shack.

748
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 9: That's what cam Wood is. You talk to the people

749
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 9: down in Miami, they talk about how completely changed that

750
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 9: locker room based on this leadership. You think about the

751
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 9: talent that you need to compete with the other quarterbacks

752
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 9: in the division, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, whoever Pittsburgh's the

753
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 9: size on, you better have an elite quarterback in place.

754
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 9: This dude has elite tools. He has great arm talent,

755
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 9: he can throw it from a bunch of different platforms.

756
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 9: But more importantly, he has the it factor.

757
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 7: Everywhere he's been, he's kind of been an instrumental change.

758
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 7: Incarnate Ward. Think about Washington State, Miami. This dude is

759
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Speaker 7: a winner.

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Speaker 9: And I think in Cleveland you're looking for that kind

761
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Speaker 9: of presence to come into the building.

762
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Speaker 2: And it is interesting too how you would hope is

763
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 2: still an ascending player, Like there's still room for growth

764
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: because you go back to high school in Houston. I

765
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: mean they're running it twenty times, not a game a year, right,

766
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, throwing it twenty times a year. It is

767
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: a run first offense. And then incarnate Word. It's like, hey,

768
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Speaker 2: learn to be a passer and then here we are.

769
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Speaker 2: He could have come out last year and there are

770
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Speaker 2: all kinds of rumors Ohio State or this school or

771
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Speaker 2: that school. He didn't get a great draft grade. I

772
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Speaker 2: give him credit. He went to Miami and he was like,

773
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Speaker 2: all right, look what I can do.

774
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Speaker 9: Yeah, So everyone's talking about a transferporter at the collegiate

775
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 9: level about how bad it is, but for scouts and evaluators,

776
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 9: it is good to see how people adapt and adjusts.

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Speaker 9: Cam Ward went from playing in the Pacific Northwest to

778
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 9: South Florida.

779
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 7: Different kind of players he's dealing with.

780
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Speaker 9: He was able to go on a look at school

781
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 9: to his history and tradition, has great playmakers around him,

782
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 9: and he was able to elevate that team. Mario Christobal

783
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 9: has been around some NFL quarterbacks, namely you think about

784
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 9: Justin Herbert.

785
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Speaker 7: Cam Ward offers similar things.

786
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Speaker 9: But in a different package. This is a very aggressive leader,

787
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 9: someone who holds people accountable. You can go and find

788
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 9: all of this stuff on the internet in terms of

789
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 9: how he chastises and calls and pokes and prize guys

790
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 9: to get them to play at another level. To me,

791
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 9: that is needed, and I think with Kevin Stefanski going

792
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 9: back to taking over the play calling duties, remember how

793
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 9: important the athleticism is.

794
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 7: When he runs his style and version of offense.

795
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Speaker 9: Cam Ward offers some of that athleticism to get on

796
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Speaker 9: the verbon or and do some of those things that

797
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 9: you want to do when it comes.

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00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 7: To the bootleg and that could naked action.

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Speaker 2: All right, Bucky Brooks, tell me why. Now, I want

800
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: to make something clear. Just because you like one player

801
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you don't like the other player, right, tell

802
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: me why though you would take cam Ward over Shador

803
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: Sanders if both were available.

804
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 7: Man, So this is tough.

805
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 9: I think it really comes down to style of play,

806
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 9: and Kevin Stefanski has to figure this part out when

807
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 9: it comes to the offense that he wants to run.

808
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 9: Last couple of years, he hasn't really run his pure

809
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 9: version of the offense. Now they get back to it.

810
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 9: So mobility, athleticism, tools, that all goes in Camboard's direction

811
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Speaker 9: when it comes to directing the offense and managing the offense.

812
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 7: Shard Door Sanders is a more polished playmaker in that regard.

813
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Speaker 9: It really is one A, one B for me at

814
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 9: the top of the Ward with quarterbacks style.

815
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Speaker 7: Impact on the locker room. That matters to me. Cam

816
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 7: Ward gives the Browns what they need into the nets.

817
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Speaker 2: All right. And to be clear, for those who don't know,

818
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Speaker 2: Bucky also does Jaguars Radio. He's on the sidelines for

819
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Speaker 2: the Jaguars. So you were there a couple of years

820
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: ago when Flacco beat the Jaguars in Cleveland. You were

821
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: there last year as well week two when Alex Right

822
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: threw Trevor Lawrence out the back of the end zone.

823
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Speaker 5: Then yeah, Browns hung on for dear life and got

824
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Speaker 5: that victory week two.

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Speaker 2: So you've obviously seen the offense with different quarterbacks and

826
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Speaker 2: you know what it should look like. Could Shaudoor Sanders,

827
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Speaker 2: if he is a guy, let's say cam Ward goes

828
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Speaker 2: one to the Titans, should or is the more polished

829
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Speaker 2: quarterback right, the footworks better, the mechanics are better.

830
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Speaker 5: Could he fit in the offense?

831
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Speaker 9: I would say the offense would look more like the

832
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 9: version that you saw with Joe Flacco and Jameis Wintson.

833
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 9: Maybe not the turnovers, but more of the attack style,

834
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 9: pushing down the field a little more.

835
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Speaker 7: Remember he has been schooled by.

836
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Speaker 9: Pro quarterback coordinators and coaches and those things, and Pat

837
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 9: Sherman those things, so he's going to be able to

838
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 9: pick it up fairly quickly.

839
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Speaker 7: To me, it looks different in das Stout.

840
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Speaker 9: It is more your traditional pocket pass or directing the offense,

841
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 9: and they had a lot of success with that. I

842
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 9: don't know if you can go wrong at the top

843
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 9: of the board. If they have both of those quarterbacks available,

844
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 9: the Browns just have to pick the right one that

845
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 9: fits what they want to do short term and long term.

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Speaker 2: Okay, help me out with the best player available concept. Okay,

847
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: Because on Dale Jeremiah a good friend's Big Board, these

848
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks are not in or maybe they're right outside

849
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: the top ten. If you're picking one in your Tennessee,

850
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: if you're picking two in your Cleveland, you're picking three

851
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: and the Giants they need a quarterback. They're obviously all

852
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: three teams you make the argument need a quarterback. Tell

853
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: me why these two quarterbacks are worthy of being in

854
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: the top three pick conversation when Abdul Hunter and Travis

855
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Abduel Carter and Travis Hunter, legit, top of

856
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: the board talents are sitting right there.

857
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, it depends on whether those grades are like right,

858
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 9: So we can talk about top tens or whatever, but

859
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 9: ultimately it comes down to the grade.

860
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Speaker 7: And so it's like giving someone in class A a

861
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 7: versus an A minus. How close is it? I would say.

862
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 9: Shador Sanders and cam Ward are definitely in that conversation

863
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 9: of being in the top ten and Now it's a

864
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 9: matter of fitting need. So need has to factor in

865
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 9: the situation somewhere. You just don't blindly pick best player available.

866
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 9: If all things are close, then you go to position

867
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 9: of need. That is why cam Ward and Shawdr Sanders

868
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 9: would be in the conversation for the Browns in that

869
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 9: situation at too, even though others.

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Speaker 7: May have a slightly high grade. The need then makes

871
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 7: it this shorting fact.

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Speaker 2: For me, the most difficult question in this strap not

873
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: is who does somebody take in the top five, but

874
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: who's QB three?

875
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 9: That is a big question. That is a big question

876
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 9: because you have names. Jackson Dorritt is a name that

877
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 9: pops up. People are talking about, Jaylen Milroe, you're a

878
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 9: fellow Orange guy. Cal McCord will get into that conversation.

879
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: All those Well, it's Will Howard in the conversation.

880
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 9: Well Howard can be there, but I feel like Will

881
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 9: Howard to me, he's been more inconsistent. I don't trust

882
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 9: him as much as some of the other guys ahead

883
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 9: of him.

884
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: Is Tyler Shuck in the conversation man, the seven year guy,

885
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: the seven year guy. He's got four degrees. Started at Oregon.

886
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: Tyler Schuck was going to be originally committed to Carolina, Yes, Bucky,

887
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: Bucky's gatar heel. He was going to be the guy

888
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: that took over for Justin Herbert and did for a

889
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: little bit, and then went to Texasttack and then he

890
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: got two degrees at Oregon and then ended up at Louwell.

891
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: He's got four degrees and like nine injuries, so he's.

892
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 7: There for life.

893
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

894
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 9: If Tyler gets in that conversation, people will talk about

895
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 9: how he looks on tape.

896
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 7: To me, it's about how these guys have played over

897
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 7: the course of that year.

898
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 9: Jackson Dart playing under line kiff and we saw him

899
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 9: light up SEC defense, particularly the last season.

900
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 7: I think he certainly is deserving of being QB three.

901
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 7: Jalen Mirroe to me.

902
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 9: That's if you're into the Jayalen Hurt style of quarterback,

903
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 9: rugged runner, developing passer that can push it vertically.

904
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 7: He has a calm. McCord to me, is kind of

905
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 7: like the hidden gym of the group.

906
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 9: Look unserremoniously dismissed from Ohio State, goes to Syracuse and

907
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 9: rewrites the record.

908
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: Raised a program. To me, that's got to be worse.

909
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: Has to be some value to that.

910
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 7: Remember, he was a four or five star quarterback coming

911
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 7: out of high school.

912
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 9: He is the underrated talent that doesn't get enough conversation

913
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 9: about him, enough buzz about him.

914
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: And and you go back, you mentioned Jalen Hurts. Jalen

915
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: Hurts was the fifty third oh Fall pick. Yeah, and

916
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: he just won a Super Bowl.

917
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 7: But you don't, Bucky often see none.

918
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 2: Of the Day two quarterbacks do that. Like we always

919
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: have this conversation who's the Day two quarterback? They're like

920
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: Day two quarterbacks get pushed up into the bottom of

921
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 2: the first round and Day two quarterbacks. Jalen is an exception.

922
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott was a Day three quarterback. He had won

923
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl MVP that year. You don't see those

924
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: guys when you.

925
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 7: Looked at the turnament hit when you looked at the tournament.

926
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 7: Those guys are first round.

927
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 5: Seven of eight in the Divisional round were first round quarterbacks.

928
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 9: And we're talking about early and the reason why is

929
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 9: because of the talent. And so when we're in these

930
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 9: situations we're talking about who's QB three or whatever, it

931
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 9: comes down to looking at the talent. Are they talented

932
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 9: enough to be considered first round. If they're not, more

933
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 9: likely than not they're not gonna make it, and they're

934
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 9: not gonna have a major impact.

935
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 7: On the game. Brock Purty is like a unicorn.

936
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 9: It is rare that you find someone that can be

937
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 9: a seventh round player and hit more than likely your

938
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 9: quarterbacks that are gonna play and win in this league

939
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 9: a first round town.

940
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you always hear fans always say, and look,

941
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: I appreciate the thought. Hey, no, no, no, we'll we'll

942
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: take the best player available in the first round and

943
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: then we'll go go at our quarterback in the second round.

944
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 5: It doesn't work.

945
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 7: It doesn't happen.

946
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: It usually doesn't work. Sam Howell, I think can play

947
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: in this league. Like that was a guy that Washington

948
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: did that with and now he's obviously in Seattle, right.

949
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna get another shot. Drew Locke another example,

950
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: same thing.

951
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 9: It normally, it normally doesn't play out. And the reason why, Andrew,

952
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 9: because you get the draft grades based only.

953
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 7: Your talent them potential.

954
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 9: It's rare that evaluators missed egregiously on someone when it

955
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 9: comes to evaluating their talent and then long term potential.

956
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 9: That's why in the playoffs. Most of the guys were

957
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 9: first round picks, and most of them were near the.

958
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 7: Top of the bull.

959
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: By the way, Bucky Brooks second round pick, like we

960
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: need we didn't. We didn't put that on the screen enough.

961
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: At the NFL network, I always say, can we please

962
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: put that on the screen? Second round pick? Play both

963
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: sides of the ball? Travis Hunter? Before Travis Hunter? Right here? Okay,

964
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: play both sides of the ball. And then Bucky a

965
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: long scouting career before now doing the media, think a

966
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: couple of rapid fire questions real quick before we go right.

967
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 5: You know, we talked to quarterbacks. Who is the best

968
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 5: player in this draft?

969
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: Who?

970
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 9: Travis Hunt to me is the best overall player. What

971
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 9: he's done on both sides of the ball, he is

972
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 9: terrif it. He's a playmaker more so than a polished

973
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 9: technical player.

974
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 7: But to me, he's the best player.

975
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: What's the best restaurant in it Indianapolis?

976
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 7: Ooh, best restaurant? Man?

977
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 9: Everyone's gonna say, say, Elmo, So I just kind of

978
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 9: go and keep a static say no, come on, I mean,

979
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 9: I just I mean, if not, i'ma mention a chain,

980
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 9: like the chains are all the same I always go

981
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 9: to Ruth Chris or I'm gonna go to Capitol Grille

982
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 9: or whatever. I get that anywhere. So I can't say

983
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 9: that that is true to that. But there is a

984
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 9: place called Mesh on mass app that is pretty good.

985
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 9: That's about a little spot.

986
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: I thought you'd thought. I thought you would say, like

987
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: staking Jacob three in the morning.

988
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 7: No, I'm definitely not doing it, like not in college anymore.

989
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 7: I can't do that anymore.

990
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: If if all the NFL players who are now head coaches,

991
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: or if all the head coaches who were here that

992
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 2: used to be NFL players ran the forty this week,

993
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: who would win?

994
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 9: Oh? Of all the coaches that man, that's you know what.

995
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 9: I'm gonna go out on a limbit. I'm gonna say

996
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 9: Matt Lafleur because when I would get Matt Lafleuur on

997
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 9: the sideline, he's fit a lot.

998
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: But no, wait, I had to play in the league. Oh,

999
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: they had coaches that played in the league.

1000
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 7: Dimico Ryans.

1001
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 5: Okay, do you know.

1002
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: Which NFL head coach who was a former player ran

1003
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: the best forty time coming out of the for the draft?

1004
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell Maybe, good guess it's actually Aaron Glenn, Kevin

1005
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: O'Connor ren.

1006
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1007
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin o'connorran for six to one. Kevin O'Connell had

1008
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: that record for like four years. Okay, who is the

1009
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: best Browns draft pick of all time?

1010
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 5: Wow, it's kind of unfair to you, but you're holding

1011
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 5: a Browns microphone.

1012
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 7: Brown's draft pick of all time?

1013
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see.

1014
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 7: This's Can I just say my best brown my favorite Browns? Sure?

1015
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 7: Eric mccaff was my favorite. You do. He's my favorite too.

1016
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 9: I just want to wear my game socks like Eric

1017
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 9: mcaff when he was returning play. So Aaron mcaff was

1018
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 9: my favorite player.

1019
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: Go kids, Look up Week two Brown's Bengals nineteen eighty nine,

1020
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: Eric metcalf's rookie season, his week to move against David

1021
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: Fulcher on Monday Night Football.

1022
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 5: So one of the greatest of all time.

1023
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: And then final, by the way, the answer, my answer

1024
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 2: would be Jim Brown was the seventh overall pick. Yeah,

1025
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: the greatest player of all time.

1026
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 7: He is the greatest player of all time.

1027
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: Seventh overall pick.

1028
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

1029
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 5: All right, that's it, That's all.

1030
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: I got for him? Oh man, all right, the dogs round,

1031
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: let me go Bucky Brooks.

1032
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 5: Everybody, thank you.

1033
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: Well, that was a lot of fun. Obviously they're you

1034
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: and Bucky Andrew and and I got it wrong to him,

1035
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 2: but he was the sixth overall pick in fifty seven. Sorry,

1036
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: but you got the best player, only one. You got

1037
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: the best player in the history of the game at

1038
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: six overall in what year did you say?

1039
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 5: Fifty seven?

1040
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: So you're talking about almost seventy years ago and you're

1041
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: off by one pick. I'm gonna give you that's an eight.

1042
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 5: It's not around in fifty seven.

1043
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 4: Neither of us we were. We weren't even twinkles, That's

1044
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So a good job by you. I

1045
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 4: think that's very good. So I thought it was interesting,

1046
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: and you and I were talking about this. You know,

1047
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 4: Bucky as shador is QB one on his rankings, but

1048
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 4: I thought made a very compelling case for really for

1049
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 4: both of them. But clearly he now seems like he

1050
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 4: is more of a akm Ward guy.

1051
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 5: It sounds like it.

1052
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: And he he talked about the division and obviously that

1053
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: you know, he's got the strength, he's got, he's got

1054
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: a little edge to him, and he thinks that fits

1055
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: well in the division. He also made the point, however,

1056
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: that if you put Shador in there, he says, it

1057
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: looks like Flacco and jamis that that kind he would

1058
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: think of play design and play calling, and that it

1059
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: would it would be.

1060
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 5: Just fine as well. And Travis Hunter is the best

1061
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 5: player in the draft.

1062
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 4: Let's just get back to scoring points even, you know,

1063
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: even take We've been talking so much about Matt Stafford,

1064
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 4: but even go back to Matt Stafford with Calvin Johnson

1065
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 4: when they were not very good in Detroit. There as

1066
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 4: well where they weren't good. Obviously they did go to

1067
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 4: the playoffs, but they're still fun to watch. It was

1068
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 4: still a team that you could be you enjoyed turn

1069
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 4: them out.

1070
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: Sure, but you can't outscore everybody every week. No, you

1071
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: do have to stop the other team. The Philadelphia Eagles

1072
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 2: just did win the Super Bowl with tremendous defense. Listen,

1073
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for people that think the NFL is Madden. Okay,

1074
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: it is still run the football and play defense. And

1075
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: that is what the Eagles did. You think?

1076
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: And this is something this goes back to my fantasy days.

1077
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 4: It is very hard to be a consistent year to

1078
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 4: year defense. It's much easier to be a consistent year

1079
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 4: to year offense than it is defense.

1080
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: Totally agree. And there were plenty of people, historians of

1081
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: the game or the analytics people who told you that

1082
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 2: there was going to be a natural regression last year

1083
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: for the Browns defense, just history dictations exactly. But for

1084
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: every natural regression, you know, you also have like the

1085
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: eighty six Bears, not to suggest the twenty three Browns

1086
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: were the eighty five Bears, but the Bears came back

1087
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: the next year had a good defense. The Ravens have

1088
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 2: had consistently good defense. There have been plenty of teams

1089
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: over the years that put together great defense, and that

1090
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: defense stayed great, maybe not number one, but stayed great

1091
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Speaker 2: for a good window of time. Obviously a lot of

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Speaker 2: factors to play in play. Last year Brown's defense did

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Speaker 2: not do that. But you still have to stop people,

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 4: Of course, of course, is the legion of Boom the

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Speaker 4: last one that had like a multi year run of

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Speaker 4: consistent like top tens.

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Speaker 5: It's a good question.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it anecdotally, it feels like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: All right, we still have a lot more to go. Gibby,

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Speaker 3: Are we gonna go stack this up here?

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Speaker 2: No, we'll do.

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Speaker 3: We'll do a quick little segment here before going in

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Speaker 3: through the top of the hour. All right, so we'll

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Speaker 3: have a little around the league when we come back.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna Cynthia Freeland with Andrew that's coming up an

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Speaker 2: We're going to go around the league. Now, we haven't talked.

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00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 4: About this yet, but we're kind of in some of

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Speaker 4: these competition committee and rule changes and all of those things.

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Speaker 4: Two things have happened that I think are a little

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00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 4: bit wild, and I understand one of them. The other

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Speaker 4: I don't as much. The Packers wanted to ban the

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00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 4: tush push. I don't think that's gonna happen. But I

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00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 4: think that's not gonna happen. I think that's a wild

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00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 4: thing that they would even go for that. There's really

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Speaker 4: only one team that can do that consistently successfully. Nick

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Speaker 4: Sirianni said that he's offended by it.

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Speaker 2: I was offended, and that, look, it's not as if

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00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 2: we don't practice this, because you would be blown away

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Speaker 2: by the numbers of hours we put into this, both

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Speaker 2: on and off the field.

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Speaker 5: Try to make it right. You shouldn't ban something just

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Speaker 5: because you cannot stop it.

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Speaker 2: Now. I do think personally there's a conversation to behind

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00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: and the coaches have said the same thing about you know,

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00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 2: the legality of carrying guys into the end zone or

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00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: of just like you know, ramming full speed if you're

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00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman to the back of your ball carrier

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Speaker 2: to power. And I think that's a different conversation that

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00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: needs to be had. But you know, just having your

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00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 2: offensive line go low, submarine the D line and have

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Speaker 2: your quarterback try to ride the wave with a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a friendly push from behind. I don't have

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Speaker 2: a problem with it. Although it is a rugby play,

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00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: not a football play, but so be it.

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Speaker 4: But he's also uniquely again, he's the squat numbers of

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00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts, the leg power to drive he has. It's

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Speaker 4: that's a unique situation for them. So I'm with you

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Speaker 4: on that. I don't think that should be banned. The

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00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 4: NFL is also changing considering changing overtime rules in the

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Speaker 4: regular season to decrease the advance for teams that win

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Speaker 4: the coin toss. What does that feel like everybody gets

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Speaker 4: the ball once from their own twenty five?

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Speaker 5: No, it's everyone.

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Speaker 2: I think what they want to do is, you know

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Speaker 2: for the postseason now after the Chiefs and Bill's think

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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, we've gone to a system

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Speaker 2: where in the postseason, each team is guaranteed a possession. Right.

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Speaker 2: You can't Patrick Mahomes can't get it marched down the field,

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Speaker 2: score touchdown in the playoffs and win the game without

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen Torke a chance to match him is they

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Speaker 2: may go back. They may take that and put it

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Speaker 2: in the regular The regular season is okay. I'm fine

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Speaker 2: with that. I do think it's silly that we seemingly

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00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: changed the overtime rules every five minutes, like we're the NHL, right,

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Speaker 2: But I stick with something and I'm fine.

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Speaker 5: I don't care what it is.

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Speaker 4: I do think it's also interesting, though, because you could

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Speaker 4: make the case that there is also a built in

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Speaker 4: disadvantage for the team that gets the ball first, sure,

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Speaker 4: because the second team knows exactly what it has to do, right,

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Speaker 4: especially if you kick a field goal. I think if

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Speaker 4: you have the ball first and you kick a field goal,

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Speaker 4: that is a huge advantage to the second team.

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Speaker 2: And that's what a lot of teams did say when

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Speaker 2: they changed this rule. It was at the owners meetings

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Speaker 2: down to the breakers in a year, the Deshaun twenty.

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Speaker 4: Two, right, I think the Niners in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 4: if the Niners honestly I think if you could go

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Speaker 4: back in a time machine, they should have gone for

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Speaker 4: it on fourth down, either in a touchdown or not,

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Speaker 4: because if you remember, on the next possession, the Chiefs

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Speaker 4: had I think fourth and two with their own eighteen

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Speaker 4: once they got the ball back, and they would have it.

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Speaker 3: In fact, if you had zero on the board, they

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Speaker 3: would have punted.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy, though, just think of the difference

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Speaker 2: in the Chiefs offensively and the difference in what the

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Speaker 2: Eagles did defensively just two weeks ago. The idea that

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Speaker 2: just two years ago in overtime or a year ago,

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Speaker 2: two years or whatever, in overtime, there was no way

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Speaker 2: on Earth you were going to stop Patrick Mahomes. None, none, no,

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Speaker 2: And two weeks ago we're in a scenario where it's

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Speaker 2: I don't know that they can get the ball across midfield.

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Speaker 2: They think, like the difference in those.

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Speaker 4: Two they the opening play of the game, if I'm

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Speaker 4: remembering it right, for the chart for the Chiefs on

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00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: offense was like an eleven yard completion to Jujus MTh Schuster. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they didn't have eleven yards the rest of the first half.

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Speaker 2: No, they they didn't cross midfield until two and a

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Speaker 2: half minutes were remaining in the third quarter. Completely insane.

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Speaker 4: Now, one of the other rules that did happen is

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Speaker 4: I think it happened or they're talking about moving a

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Speaker 4: touchback now all the way to the thirty five.

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00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Bo and I talked about this.

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00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 4: If you were to go back a few years when

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00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 4: the touchback was still at the twenty, if you gained

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00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 4: thirty yards as an offense, you'd be at midfield. Now,

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00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 4: if it gets to the thirty five, you game thirty

1219
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: yards of offense, you're on their thirty five and that

1220
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 4: is a makeable field goal fifty three yard field for

1221
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 4: every kicker in this league.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they want to see more kickoff returns and fewer touchbacks, yes, period,

1223
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: and they wanted to do this by week one last year.

1224
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: They realized during during the preseason with the with the

1225
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: new dynamic kickoff being tested and it was a big

1226
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: story in every game, they realized this should change, and

1227
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: there was I think a push to change this before

1228
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: Week one of last year and to make it the

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Speaker 2: thirty five yard line. In Week one, they decided not

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Speaker 2: to do it. I haven't heard people say.

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00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 5: Well do it?

1232
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Speaker 2: Could we do it?

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00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 5: Like in October mid sex.

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Speaker 2: What what if?

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00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 5: What if we get through September and this doesn't work?

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00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 5: Could we do it later? And the pushback was, we're

1237
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Speaker 5: not going to change the rules mid season on that.

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Speaker 2: The big one, though, is the replay thing is the

1239
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: first down thing for sure, right, the first down thing

1240
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: is the big one.

1241
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 4: So they're going to use a virtual measuring system to

1242
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 4: determine first downs in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Eliminate you're getting your way, love, Why not? Why can

1244
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: we not get this right?

1245
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 4: The optimal tracking system notifies officiating instantly if a first

1246
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 4: down is gained after the ball is spotted by It's.

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Speaker 2: Like Hawkeye and tennis. They're you're you're gonna get it

1248
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: next year.

1249
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm gonna get it. I think that's good.

1250
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 2: Now you're gonna have you're gonna have two old men

1251
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: with the chain still there as a backup. Not everything

1252
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: is set and son yet as to how it's going

1253
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: to be and how it's gonna look. But the headline

1254
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: here is like Josh Allen there, they're gonna be able

1255
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: to do the digital thing to figure out and if he.

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Speaker 3: Got it, do you know the mech the mechanics behind that.

1257
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 2: No, and they're they're like these cameras and like they

1258
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: they've talked about how many cameras they're gonna use and

1259
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: all that, and they don't know the ext It's not

1260
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: gonna be something in the ball. It is gonna be well,

1261
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: there is already a chip in the ball, right, but

1262
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: it's going to be like not a triangulation, because it's

1263
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: gonna be far more cameras, but like all these cameras

1264
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: piecing it all together, and it should look like the tennis.

1265
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Speaker 5: The tennis thing.

1266
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: We tried it last year. They used it in a

1267
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Speaker 2: handful of games in the preseason as a test. I

1268
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: did a television broadcast in La the Rams and the whomever,

1269
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 2: Chargers whatever, maybe the Cowboys, I don't remember where. They

1270
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Speaker 2: used it for one play. The communication was not good.

1271
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: We knew that it might be a possibility. We didn't

1272
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: actually know when it was being done. The official didn't

1273
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: communicate it clearly. They'll clean all that up, and they

1274
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: still don't know from what I understand, what it will

1275
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: look like visually on TV. Well, I want that graphic.

1276
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 4: I want where the ball comes down and it leaves

1277
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 4: it's a little divot, right, and I'll touch the line, but.

1278
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: They hope to do it in thirty seconds, and they're

1279
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: gonna do it now. I promise you it's not gonna

1280
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: prevent people from complaining. I guarantee you, because you are

1281
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: still gonna get angry fans on Twitter freeze framing their

1282
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: TV going look, look from this angle, from this angle,

1283
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: he's got it.

1284
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 5: Don't tell me he doesn't have it.

1285
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 4: If they have more angles than you have and they're

1286
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 4: all working together, they're gonna get a right.

1287
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: This is gonna be better. I guarantee you, though people

1288
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 2: will still complain because people always complain, and they're gonna

1289
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: find a camera angle and they're gonna claim that it

1290
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Speaker 2: doesn't work.

1291
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Speaker 3: Do you want me to do a little Uh, just

1292
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Speaker 3: let everybody know you're listening to a fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 5: It's live producing right here. I know it's fun.

1294
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Speaker 2: We got the idea.

1295
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Speaker 3: Perfect everybody, So can we can I do one more

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Speaker 3: bullet point? Your permission? Real quick?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's great content.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk a lot. I'm sorry, by the way,

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Speaker 4: this year it's that you. We really haven't had to lurk.

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Speaker 4: You've done such a great job of getting people over.

1301
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Speaker 4: There's been no lurking, But you're My favorite movie is

1302
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Speaker 4: this year is where you are sitting six inches for

1303
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Speaker 4: me and you could, you know, you could give me

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Speaker 4: a tap and a little break sign and you go

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Speaker 4: around and then I look and I see you there

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Speaker 4: and then I know it's coming or wrap it up

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Speaker 4: two more.

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Speaker 3: I like, that's been my That's one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 3: This combat trying to stay off the trying to stay

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Speaker 3: off the camera. Why because Shamba loves you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: All right, we got permission for one more bullet point.

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Speaker 4: I always love you, one more bullet point. The Competition

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Speaker 4: Committee will review expansion of replay assists to include more fouls,

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Speaker 4: but quote, there was no appetite from the committee to

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Speaker 4: use video replay to throw a flag per Troy Vincent.

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Speaker 5: What dude, I cannot what. I cannot emphasize this enough.

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Speaker 2: They never ever want to, and I doubt they ever

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Speaker 2: will get to a place where everybody is happy with

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Speaker 2: just somebody upstairs saying, nope, throw the flag that was holding.

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Speaker 5: Nope, throw the flag that was a face mask? What

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Speaker 5: they are going to do?

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Speaker 4: Because I think a face mask is an objective call,

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Speaker 4: Like what happened to Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 2: That is objectively a face somewhat subjective. I had a

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Speaker 2: conversation with an owner Monday night about this and we

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Speaker 2: talked about that very play, and they're like, yep, gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: But here's what I think. That's crazy. Here's what will

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Speaker 2: happen is that if they call a face mask and

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Speaker 2: when you see the replay it's not, it's not, then

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Speaker 2: they will fix it.

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Speaker 5: Fine, that's what we're talking.

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Speaker 4: We can call it whatever you want here. But if

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Speaker 4: you're like, dude, that was a face mask, face mask.

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Speaker 4: Oh you dropped the flag, great, they don't have to

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Speaker 4: say it was buzzed in. You can get let's huddle

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01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 4: up and pretend we're having a conversation and then we

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Speaker 4: throw the flag.

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Speaker 2: How deep and conspiratorial do you want to get here

1340
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: as to how exactly the sausage is made? There?

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Speaker 5: There are some people that say, well, maybe that does happen.

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Speaker 5: I'm suggesting that it does right.

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Speaker 4: It should like the Sam Darnold play, which and we'll

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Speaker 4: just use that as get it right. People just want

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Speaker 4: it to be gotten right. First of all, with gambling involved,

1346
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 4: it's a that is a big thing. Where you need

1347
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 4: to have something that is that clear and obvious, and

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Speaker 4: that's an objective call, that is not a subjective call.

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Speaker 3: Gambling is not new for the last four year years,

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Speaker 3: certainly not. It's not new for the last twenty years.

1351
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Speaker 3: I mean, now it's just.

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Speaker 2: Official, correct, I'm with you, but get that right. And

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Speaker 2: they tried it with DPI. It was a disaster or

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Speaker 2: it didn't work, but.

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Speaker 3: That is still in some ways that one is somewhat suggested.

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Speaker 4: Even roughing the pass, sure, and I'd like them that

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Speaker 4: where it's clearly not or where you could say, if

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Speaker 4: you're getting flagged for a hit to the head and

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Speaker 4: then on replay it's clear that the hit was with

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Speaker 4: a shoulder to shoulder and the heads actually did not

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Speaker 4: connect picking up and that what they were talking about.

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Speaker 4: They will that's it. I think it can really only

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Speaker 4: be used for things like that. Now you go back

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Speaker 4: to the Rams Saints. That's not subjective. He was tackled

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Speaker 4: before the ball came there.

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Speaker 2: But if you really want to go there, then I

1367
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Speaker 2: will tell you that on the previous possession, Jared Goff

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Speaker 2: on the two yard line on third down, face mask

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Speaker 2: his head, his helmet went full ninety degrees have been

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Speaker 2: a flag. So for a person for Saints fans, you

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Speaker 2: want to get angry about Nikel Robie Coleman, I feel you, man,

1372
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Speaker 2: But then if you had thrown the flag on the

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Speaker 2: Jered Gooff face mask, the Rams aren't kicking a field goal.

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Speaker 2: They have a first and goal on the six inch line,

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Speaker 2: and it is a different game. I shall also remind

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Speaker 2: everyone in New Orleans who got the ball first in

1377
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Speaker 2: overtime when it was sudden death, The Saints of New Orleans,

1378
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Speaker 2: the home team.

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Speaker 4: You haven't had this converse save for I don't feel

1380
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 4: like that felt like this conversation. I felt like you

1381
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 4: weren't prepared for. Then it felt like you had that

1382
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 4: was in your agent provided script for a triggering question

1383
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Speaker 4: in the combine interview right there, all right, hour number two.

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Speaker 2: It's happening, but it's going to continue when we come

1385
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Speaker 2: back here.

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Speaker 1: Live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is

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Speaker 4: It's a very sad moment, said, but it lasted a

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Speaker 4: and is going to be a feast for your ears.

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Speaker 4: Andrew Siciliano sat down with NFL Network analytics expert Cynthia Freeland,

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Speaker 4: a great friend of the Browns and of the program.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen. So we have probably done the segment

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Speaker 2: we're about to do a thousand times. The difference is

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Speaker 2: this is the now Cleveland Browns version. I'm Andrew Siciliano,

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Speaker 2: and this is my dear friend and my former co

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Speaker 2: worker and star of you know, brown Saturday Morning Insiders

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01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 2: Instagram as well from NFL Network, my neighbor Cynthia free.

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Speaker 10: Also my dog's uncle.

1409
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 7: You are.

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01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: That's you really missed like the key, Gordy and I

1411
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 2: always forget the other onesday.

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01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 10: Gordian Clyde, And did you know that, Gordian Clyde.

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01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 8: The Browns were very kind and sent the milkbone the

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Speaker 8: branded and do you know what they did?

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Speaker 10: They ate the entire thing, in courseing the box. They

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Speaker 10: ate the box as well.

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Speaker 8: They wanted to be friends with Chomps so bad that

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Speaker 8: they ate the whole box, including the all of the cardboard.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 10: It was a touch of go day after that.

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Speaker 5: That was just full disclosure.

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Speaker 2: Cynthia and I are are neighbors, right, We live a

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Speaker 2: couple of blocks from each other, so I see Cynthia

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01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: and the dogs and her fiance Kyle out all the time. Anyway, Uh,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned Chomps love Chomps. Okay, I'm playing to the

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Speaker 2: audience here of Gibbee and Jordan. You probably haven't heard

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Speaker 2: on the game day radio broadcast, Nathan Zegerer read the

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Speaker 2: spot with Chomps.

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Speaker 5: Have you no but what I need to we can

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Speaker 5: we get Cynthia.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we might have to drop this in at one

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Speaker 2: point just so you can hear Nathan's conversation with Chomps.

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Speaker 10: I can't wait. Knowing Nathan, it's I'm already I'm already

1434
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 10: dying like I have.

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01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: You will be doing chumps.

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Speaker 8: Was actually awesome at the Pro Bowl too. He really

1437
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 8: crushed it. Okay, he was, He really crushed it.

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Speaker 5: Do you take your chomp selfie?

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01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 8: I did take a chump selfie because unfortunately lost in

1440
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 8: tug of war. But that really wasn't the It wasn't chumps.

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: It wasn't No. No, he's got the dog in him. Anyway,

1442
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 2: Let's let's get to the actual quarterbacks here. So top

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01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: of the draft, yep, when we look at DJ's Daniel

1444
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 2: Jeremiah's big board or Dane Brugler's big board, or anyone's

1445
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: big board. This is before anyone works out, or the

1446
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 2: workouts do begin this evening. The quarterbacks throw on Saturday.

1447
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 2: The top two quarterbacks are not going to be throwing.

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Speaker 2: People say, well, this quarterback is ranked like the fifteenth

1449
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: best player in the draft, so why would I take

1450
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: him at two? When you look at the quarterbacks in

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01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: this draft, namely cam Ward shad or Sanders, do you

1452
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Speaker 2: believe they are worth the second overall pick, or for.

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Speaker 8: That matter, the first scarcity rules the day there's a

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Speaker 8: couple of things in this draft that are very scarce,

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,879
Speaker 8: offensive tackles being one of them, quarterbacks being another. Basically

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01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 8: like in wide receivers, it's not as deep as we've

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01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 8: seen in recent years, so because of scarcity and because

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Speaker 8: of the importance of a quarterback position. If you can

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01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 8: create the full strategy with your free agents and with

1460
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Speaker 8: your draft strategy, not just your number one overall pick

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Speaker 8: or number two whatever slot you're picking in the first round,

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01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 8: it's your whole strategy taken together. So if you can't

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Speaker 8: do better in free agency, or if you don't have

1464
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 8: the guy on your roster that you would like to

1465
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Speaker 8: start the season with, I think you probably have to

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01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 8: for the sake of scarcity, because they likely won't be

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Speaker 8: around the next.

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Speaker 2: Time you're picking. I'll talk to Cynthia frielin Hair, our

1469
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Speaker 2: analytics expert at NFL Network and Rounds insider of course

1470
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 2: on Saturday morning. Uh, don't forget to go to the Instagram.

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Speaker 8: You know, Gordy sometimes at Gordy in Flight appear in

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Speaker 8: the because they love the rounds. No, and I'm the

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Speaker 8: one walking cookies.

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01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 2: Walking down the strand on the beach, talking to myself

1475
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 2: as other people walk by going the other way, going

1476
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: why is this guy talking to himself? How difficult is

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Speaker 2: it to project because it is the quarterback, the most

1478
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,799
Speaker 2: difficult position to nail in sports, and the most important

1479
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 2: position probably at any position in any of our four

1480
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Speaker 2: North American major sports. How difficult is it from an

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Speaker 2: analytics perspective to project NFL performance off of college performance?

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Speaker 8: This is one of the hardest years ever for a

1483
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 8: couple of reasons. I know shod Or Sanders the same.

1484
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,959
Speaker 8: There's all these people are switching teams, not just quarterbacks.

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 5: We're talking quarterbacks within college football.

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01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, the transfer portal so nil and transfer portal. We're

1487
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 8: in the bubble, what I'm calling the bubble where we're

1488
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 8: really hard. It's really hard to evaluate teams. There's basically

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Speaker 8: two conferences now in Neither of the top two quarterbacks

1490
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 8: played in the Big Ten or the SEC, So I

1491
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 8: don't know how to rate some of these things. With

1492
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 8: all these people moving around, you're seeing far fewer advanced concepts.

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Speaker 8: The resumes are more narrow than we've seen ever before,

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Speaker 8: at least since I've.

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01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 10: Been doing this, and it's been a long time. Even

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 10: though I'm only like twenty five. It's been a lot.

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Speaker 8: I'm still older, but ultimately you're just not seeing the

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 8: different resume stanzas you're not seeing You know, we've all

1499
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 8: talked about this for how many years we've talked about

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Speaker 8: like no one's passing under center anymore in college. Well,

1501
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 8: now it's even weirder. Right, you don't have polling guards.

1502
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 8: They don't have time to learn that stuff because all

1503
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 8: these guys are moving around so often that it's just mayhem.

1504
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 8: And they're kind of starting in the beginning. So the

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01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 8: resumes are very inc It's not to say they can't

1506
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,560
Speaker 8: do it, but now you're projecting something with even more uncertainty.

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Speaker 8: It's going to make it more volatile, and it's going

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01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 8: to make it more like you could be home run,

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01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 8: but it could also be like a strikeout, no base hits,

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01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 8: fewer base hits in this trap.

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Speaker 5: Is there a way to.

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Speaker 2: Work in experience because in the past few years, Bone

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Speaker 2: Nexts a perfect example, Rock Purty a very good example

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Speaker 2: as well, where if you look at the number of

1515
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,799
Speaker 2: collegiate starts on the opposite end of the spectrum, Anthony Richardson,

1516
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 2: who only started a dozen games, Mitchet Florida Mitch Trubisky,

1517
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 2: who started a year and a half at North Carolina.

1518
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: Can you weigh college starts into any equation here, You're

1519
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 2: just far better suited. I would say yes, because I mean,

1520
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 2: you have more data.

1521
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 8: You have more data always more data is better because

1522
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 8: it helps define something and you hopefully get more different

1523
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 8: experiences as well.

1524
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 5: Money Zone.

1525
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 10: I mean, man, all those things have you seen?

1526
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 2: I cut you off. I'm sorry, not just the data

1527
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: from those individual performances. But does actual number of starts

1528
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 2: become a data point? Does? It does?

1529
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 8: For many reasons, not the least of which is in

1530
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 8: the same system many how many starts? It almost at

1531
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 8: least what I've been finding so far. And again we're

1532
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 8: all navigating the world of transfer portal translating to the

1533
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 8: NFL at the same time, so I'm sure I'm not

1534
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 8: alone in this. But different system starts almost innicate's number

1535
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 8: of starts and similar system starts helps like that really

1536
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 8: gives you a leg up, like I would feel more

1537
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 8: comfortable taking. You know, no one in the no one's

1538
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 8: a pocket passer anymore Jackson dart right, But like no

1539
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 8: one's a pocket pastor in the league.

1540
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 10: That's not in vogue. As much anymore.

1541
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 8: But I'd rather take a pocket passer that they know

1542
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 8: who they are than a very mobile guy who I

1543
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 8: have no idea what's going on because I've seen him

1544
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 8: play kind of like this, kind of like that and

1545
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 8: then and that's kind of Anthony Richardson's case, right, So

1546
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 8: I don't know, it's it's what. And the two things

1547
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 8: you said about, I mean I would even argue for

1548
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 8: Jad and Daniels as well, like their coaches or offensive

1549
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 8: coordinators or likely both had a really good concept and

1550
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 8: picture of how they wanted to use them.

1551
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 10: You know, you talked to Sean Payton.

1552
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 8: He in his mind he saw bo Nixus, you know,

1553
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 8: very had some Drew Brees like characteristics, and that's what

1554
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 8: he wanted to coach. That's what he felt comfortable doing.

1555
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 8: They were the team that used pre snap motion the

1556
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 8: least in the NFL last year. Instead they used different

1557
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 8: disguise as a personnel. They really training wheels were on.

1558
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 8: But that's because Sean Payton had a vision for how

1559
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 8: he wanted to use him. Right, So if you have

1560
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 8: someone where same thing with Brock Purty, can you operate

1561
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 8: in what I want to do?

1562
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 10: I'm Kyle Shanahan. What do I want to do? I

1563
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 10: want to do these things. Can you do these things? Great?

1564
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 10: Then you can work for me.

1565
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 8: So it's it's less about this transcendental talent coming in

1566
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 8: and being like the second coming of Andrew Luck whatever,

1567
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 8: but and more about like does the fit match with

1568
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 8: what I would like to do as a coach.

1569
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 2: It's fascinating talking to Cynthia Freeland again, go back to Bonnicks.

1570
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 2: We had Bonnix of the Senior Bowl last year in

1571
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 2: NFL Network and the concern was our grade. He had

1572
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: sixty starts, but he's not going to stretch the field.

1573
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 2: The completion percentage at the Oregon was so so, so

1574
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: so high, seventy percent high because it's dink and dunk

1575
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 2: and dink and dunk. And then you're in September and

1576
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: you hear opposing dbs say, we know where the ball

1577
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 2: is going and we never have to backpedal.

1578
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 5: It's always going to be in front of us. And

1579
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 5: then by the time you get to the end.

1580
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 2: Of the season, yep, bon Nick is throwing fifty yard

1581
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 2: darts downfield and dropping him in the bucket. In Cincinnati

1582
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: in primetime and even through one early before they got

1583
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: blown out against Buffalo in the wildcard round, and you're like.

1584
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 10: Well, okay, right, maybe they get that one right.

1585
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 5: It is meantime.

1586
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 2: You mentioned the pulling guard before as we get ready

1587
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: for the drills this evening. I think that's a great

1588
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: example in a segue of Hey, forget about the forty time.

1589
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm looking at. I want to see a

1590
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 2: ten yard split on that offensive lineman because if he

1591
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 2: is pulling out in front of my back and trying

1592
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: to get wide, I want to know how he goes

1593
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: from zero to ten, because that's all I really care

1594
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: about at that point. Hopefully he held the block and

1595
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 2: the back is downfield. What are the little things within

1596
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 2: the drills for people at home when they're watching this

1597
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: evening other than the sexy forty time and all that

1598
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 2: that they should.

1599
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 5: Pay attention to?

1600
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,600
Speaker 8: So specific this is a great defensive front class, and

1601
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 8: now we've seen the return of the running back. So

1602
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 8: fun trivia fact you ready you wanted to just give it?

1603
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 8: So expected rushing yards is how much what's the average

1604
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 8: you can expect from me running back at the time

1605
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 8: that they handle the ball past seasons has been like

1606
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 8: three yards three and a half yards this year, it's

1607
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 8: been a high since we've been tracking for next year.

1608
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 10: Four point two.

1609
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 8: Now when it's a quarterback, it's six, and that's up

1610
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 8: a little bit from five point seven in previous years.

1611
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 5: Can we differentiate between design runs and scrambles? Yes?

1612
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 10: Okay, so design runs, got it? Designed runs six?

1613
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: Good?

1614
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:24,600
Speaker 10: So how do you stop that?

1615
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 8: Well, you put a big old dude in the middle, right,

1616
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 8: like you you figure out the Mason Grahams maybe of

1617
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 8: the world. They I know you're not supposed to talk

1618
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:32,879
Speaker 8: about Michigan in Cleveland, but whatever.

1619
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 5: Kenneth Grant, Mason Graham.

1620
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 10: It all works.

1621
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 8: So but ultimately this is going to be very interesting

1622
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 8: from this defensive front class. We know Abduel Carter, very

1623
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 8: likely the best player on defense in this draft, not

1624
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 8: going to be working out. Is something wrong with this foot?

1625
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 8: We will see what happens with that. Seems to be

1626
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 8: probably okay by the time the season starts. However, when

1627
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 8: you're looking at like, how do you look at the

1628
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 8: look at their feet. Watch the defensive front guy's feet.

1629
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 8: If they keep their feet petter pitter, Petter Pitt moving

1630
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 8: throughout the entire drill, as long as they're like fast

1631
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 8: enough like not they could trick my models by just

1632
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 8: moving their feet a lot and not moving forward very fast.

1633
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 8: But if on their lateral drills, if they can keep

1634
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 8: their feet going, they tend to be better. That's very small,

1635
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,799
Speaker 8: a minute thing, but it is. It is a very interesting.

1636
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: And then there are little things to look at here,

1637
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: because all we were fascinated always and the easy, the

1638
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 2: low hanging fruit is Mike Mayock would always say, or

1639
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 2: the forty times and how many times you putting up

1640
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 2: two twenty five on the bench, And those are significant,

1641
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 2: but there's so many other little things. Ten yards splits

1642
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 2: and how you run the gauntlet.

1643
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 10: And the ten yard spits for offensive line, and the.

1644
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 2: Three cone drill as well, are getting in and out

1645
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 2: of breaks and changing direction, all those little things. By

1646
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 2: the way, if you're playing to the Buckeye fans, we

1647
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 2: have they have two edges here JTT and Jack, and

1648
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 2: you got the tackles in the middle of Hambleton tight League,

1649
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 2: so they are bringing their defensive front correct here.

1650
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 8: Oh I indeed, by the way, you know, I'm like

1651
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 8: a big Ryan Day fan, right of course, he was

1652
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 8: a GA at BC when I was there, and I

1653
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 8: don't like forgotten that, like you know, it was, you know, just.

1654
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 10: A mere couple of years ago, just a couple of

1655
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 10: years ago.

1656
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 8: No, but I've always been like massive fan of him

1657
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 8: what he's been able to do, Like I would not

1658
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 8: want to be a college coach.

1659
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 10: That's such a hard job.

1660
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 5: College coaches are going back to the NFL.

1661
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 10: Heck yeah.

1662
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 5: But anyways, and.

1663
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: Real quick, we mentioned Kenneth Grant. Yes, spoke to Kenneth

1664
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 2: Grant yesterday. Okay, so he he's down to three thirty two.

1665
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he's some at Michigan. Sometimes we're talking three

1666
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: fifty maybe even I was like, I'm sorry, what it's

1667
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 2: down to three thirty two? He looks amazing, and I said,

1668
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 2: it's not if you're no, no, no, no, If you're

1669
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 2: down to three thirty two, I think he's gonna run.

1670
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: If he runs, he's gonna run sub five. And if

1671
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 2: he runs like a four nine five, which he has

1672
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 2: done on campus allegedly at three thirty.

1673
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 8: Two, yep, lookout as long as it's a If anything

1674
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 8: under five's insane, but as long as it's like five

1675
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 8: oh something.

1676
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 2: Also okay, they claim that he ran a sub five

1677
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: at three fifty.

1678
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 5: I don't know that I believe that that's what I

1679
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 5: was about to say.

1680
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 8: I will wait and see. Just I don't care though,

1681
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 8: because you have you a t not w e boom ch.

1682
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 8: He'll be here all week folks see. But yes, yeah, no,

1683
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 8: I I think again, it's always about ranges. There's diminishing

1684
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 8: returns for these extra speedy guys. Now, if you are

1685
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 8: a if you're a guy who went from three fifty

1686
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 8: to three thirty two and you can get your speed up,

1687
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 8: then of course, but like what's your then also put

1688
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 8: in context did your did how many times are you

1689
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 8: putting up the weights? Look at all of these things

1690
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 8: in context together, curious, But I care about their burst time.

1691
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 8: So just look at the first ten split. Yeah, like

1692
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 8: that first ten split. The burst you guys, Miles Garrett's

1693
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 8: burst is historic.

1694
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 5: Yes, and he and his bend.

1695
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 2: You will turn the tape on you combine the band

1696
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 2: with the burst, and that's that's absurd and murmer, we're

1697
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 2: painting a full picture of full picture here. Mason Gram

1698
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 2: may not test well, but turn on the tape and

1699
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: watch the former wrestler throw dudes, and you're like, I

1700
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 2: really don't care how well he tests.

1701
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 8: We need to like name it like suplex dim, Like

1702
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 8: you know, I don't know where wrestling terms anymore because

1703
01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 8: you know, I'm not a child anymore.

1704
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 2: Like I use to watch w W or whatever, Nathan

1705
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: sigur By the waiting in the wind, you just took

1706
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 2: a shot. I just took a shot. What she said.

1707
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 2: She said, I don't watch wrestling anymore because I'm not

1708
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 2: a child.

1709
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 10: I just don't know the terms anymore.

1710
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 2: Wow, I know, I just like messing with you on

1711
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: that note. The squirt neighbor, wonderful Cynthia Freeland, everybody and

1712
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 2: if on networks analytics analytics at the s Andrew keep

1713
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 2: the lasts off for saving I could just do one

1714
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: if you want, expert on day one of the workouts

1715
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 2: here at the company.

1716
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,520
Speaker 4: All right, that was great stuff. Other than that unprovoked

1717
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 4: shot at the Sport of Kings.

1718
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: I think what she was she was actually describing like

1719
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 2: Mason Graham's legitimate grecor Olympia background, and she didn't know

1720
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 2: the proper way to describe it.

1721
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 5: Judo turned it in doing an assault on the wrestling

1722
01:20:58,280 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 5: that you enjoy.

1723
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: I felt that shot, Tusie felt, which is, hey, it's

1724
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 2: if you I like primetime scripted the Final Boss. I'm

1725
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: a big fan of primetime scripted dramas. I prefer primetime

1726
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: scripted drama like like Severance, with better acting and better

1727
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 2: writing than the primetime scripted drama that you enjoy, which

1728
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 2: is the you know, the trash cans and the fake

1729
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: blood and the watch even though you watch.

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01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 5: No, I didn't suggest it wasn't civilized at all.

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01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if I'm gonna sit down on the

1732
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 2: couch and watch a primetime drama, right, that's real blood, brother,

1733
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: I couldn't care less about it that was shot there,

1734
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,719
Speaker 2: I'd rather watch one with better acting and better writing.

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01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 4: Well, this has elements, of course, and that's why there

1736
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 4: are a great many channels and streaming services available where

1737
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 4: you can dissect something for everyonething something for every I'm

1738
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 4: not insulting you for watching it.

1739
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I prefer to spend my time watching

1740
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 2: other scripted entertains.

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01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 3: I watched significantly more of other script I know you

1742
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 3: do script Yeah, Severance, by the way, what a program?

1743
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 2: What an absolute? Have you noticed missus Wong has big

1744
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 2: hands when she's opening the door.

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01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 3: No, go down that conspiracy. I am going through a

1746
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: lot of things. Okay, I think I I think we

1747
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 3: need to go to break send us. Oh go ahead,

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01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 3: by no, please.

1749
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 2: Are you?

1750
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you I'm stepping in because I feel

1751
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Speaker 3: like you're living. You're listening to Cleveland Browns Daily on

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1753
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:40,639
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Speaker 1: Back live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This

1755
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,759
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Speaker 4: We have what I'd like to call Vegas fog setting

1762
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,839
Speaker 4: in at various parts of the program, both in front.

1763
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 3: Of the camera behind the scenes. The Vegas fog is

1764
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 3: setting in. We just had a great discussion where he goes,

1765
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 3: gimme goes, we're coming back, and I said, okay, mail

1766
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 3: Bag and he's like no, and I said, well then

1767
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 3: what are we gonna do?

1768
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: Mail Bag?

1769
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 3: Is what gid he said? I know I saw Gail.

1770
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 3: That's what you said, Ben, because we were efforting Ben.

1771
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: But mail Ben, mail bag, all right, I got your huh.

1772
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 5: How you guys feeling? Remember to hydrate?

1773
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 2: Will you? I have a sure? Where is your water?

1774
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 2: The g Man put on a tour to force for months.

1775
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 3: Last night I told the g Man last night that

1776
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 3: you haven't been to the combine if you haven't been

1777
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 3: to prime after midnight on a combine.

1778
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 2: There's a steakhouse in Indianapolis. It's quite a good restaurant,

1779
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: and it's a very good restaurant, but it is the

1780
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: place to go late at night and they take all

1781
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 2: the tables out and it goes from restaurant, good restaurant

1782
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 2: to standing room only and perhaps not even standing room

1783
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 2: And I love it.

1784
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 5: Been going for years.

1785
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 2: It's a lot of dudes in dry fit. Yeah, yeah,

1786
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 2: it is a lot of dudes. Well that's good.

1787
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:31,879
Speaker 5: It's everybody in football.

1788
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 3: It's good that the fabrics have evolved. It used to

1789
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,759
Speaker 3: be a lot of people in polyester exactly.

1790
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 5: And young Gabe got to go there for the first

1791
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 5: time last night.

1792
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 3: I got to spend a little time with our friends

1793
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 3: because we had there's been a lot of consumption prior,

1794
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 3: but then I was on my fourth water. I want

1795
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 3: you to know, let me paint a picture for you.

1796
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 3: Let me get a picture for you. Professional responsible. Come on,

1797
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 3: you didn't have anything till ten forty five.

1798
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 2: I needed to sleep, buddy.

1799
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can tell you what put me to this.

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01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 3: You know, my kids would say say bullyism. That's what

1801
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 3: my kids would say, bullyism.

1802
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 5: That's fine.

1803
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 3: Now wait, un so picture this. We come out of

1804
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 3: Kilroy's closes down.

1805
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 4: You know when they start stacking the stools on the

1806
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 4: tables immediately next to you with great force, they're saying,

1807
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 4: get out of here.

1808
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 5: I thought it was great how Gabe was singing closing

1809
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 5: time as well in.

1810
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 2: The back round.

1811
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 5: That that didn't happen.

1812
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I think there was a strong positive a lot

1813
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 2: going on. So we get to.

1814
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 4: The corner and I'm like, I'm going to go over

1815
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 4: to Prime g Man, basically Papa Gibbet Peepa. It is like, no,

1816
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 4: you're not going, And so I'm walking away and and

1817
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 4: the g Man's wearing a beautiful maroon coat that had

1818
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 4: been a thorn in his side for a part that

1819
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 4: I didn't know what to do with it. But at

1820
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 4: this moment outside the cold. It was a wonderful thing

1821
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 4: that he had it. And he turns around and looks

1822
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 4: at me with like puppy dog eyes. As I'm walking away,

1823
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 4: I'm trying to protect g Man from himself. At this point,

1824
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 4: he's had a lot of cocktails.

1825
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: Rule number one. We all have had a lot. Let

1826
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 2: let me take that back.

1827
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 3: We all we all have consumed like the world is

1828
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 3: ending in an hour and fifteen minutes some decent flight examination.

1829
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 2: For the record, I wasn't there.

1830
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 3: You would have missed out, and I just I remind

1831
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 3: everybody in the group that you don't want to be

1832
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 3: the person that gets talked about at the combine for

1833
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 3: years to come. Not that he would have been. We've

1834
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 3: had some but there have been visits, some moments and

1835
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:51,640
Speaker 3: medical perved. But so I've walked away, he's there. He

1836
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 3: looks at me like.

1837
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 2: He keeps turning around.

1838
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 4: It's like a movie, like I really he shook goes fine,

1839
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 4: you know, oh yeah it was me and shuck yeah exactly,

1840
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 4: And Gibbe is finally like, okay, do you want to go?

1841
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 4: And we're like, gee, man, you want to go? And

1842
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 4: then he said the first year kind of it was

1843
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 4: a little hem ha, and then you were like and Jordan,

1844
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 4: let's go.

1845
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 2: And then g Man's like takes off running towards us.

1846
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 7: And it was on.

1847
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 4: There was music playing. It was sprinting down the sidewalk

1848
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 4: to walk in with me and shook. Oh boy, it

1849
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 4: was great. Then we got to spend a little time.

1850
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 4: We saw you, We got to see uh, spend some

1851
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 4: time with Jake Trotter is here. We had been talking

1852
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 4: about that unbelievable twenty fourteen staff And as I walk in,

1853
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 4: I saw Bobby Babbage, defensive coordinator of the Bills, and

1854
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 4: then I saw Weave, defensive coordinator of the Dolphins.

1855
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a scene in there. I will say,

1856
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 3: your dollar mm hmm goes a lot farther at kill Roy's.

1857
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 5: Yes it does.

1858
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 2: In fact, I ordered a round for everybody.

1859
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 4: At kill Roys that was less than like that was

1860
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 4: less than my tinos and sound at the other place.

1861
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 4: So scale, economies of scale right there in downtown India.

1862
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 2: And my rule of thumb is generally if you get

1863
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 2: there late and like, it doesn't get busy until after eleven,

1864
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 2: because that's that's when the meetings with with the prospects

1865
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 2: get out if you get there late, just drink water

1866
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 2: like that. That's like my nothing good happens there after midnight.

1867
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 2: I'm I'm just drinking. Did you drink water? We had one,

1868
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 2: and we had one. We had one.

1869
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 3: There was water in the ice in his drink. Yeah, exactly, yeah,

1870
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 3: no no, no, no, no, like I don't share that same.

1871
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 4: We then waited in the longest bathroom line that I

1872
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 4: think I've ever I felt like I was at a

1873
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 4: ride at Disney, and then by the time that finished,

1874
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 4: there was no line.

1875
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:49,560
Speaker 3: When we walked up, I don't think he has the

1876
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 3: energy to get up and walk over. He's got to

1877
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 3: pay himself.

1878
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 2: He's gotta pay himself.

1879
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 3: I said, you gotta have a nap, because you know

1880
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 3: what's happening to night, and he's like no, And I'm like,

1881
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 3: you'll see, young buck.

1882
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 2: It's all about the rally. It is about that.

1883
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 4: I would also say, and I was, I'm tongue in

1884
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 4: cheek when I call it vegas, but it kind of

1885
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 4: turns into vegacy like.

1886
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 2: This is in someone Someone used this description a couple

1887
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 2: of nights ago. It is NFL spring break, yes, but

1888
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 2: it's like ninety it's NFL Spring I say, though, if

1889
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 2: you were to compare, not that I'm looking that, not

1890
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 2: that I'm trying to make it anything inappropriate, you know

1891
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

1892
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody implied that, nobody even thought that doth protest

1893
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 3: too much. I would say, though, in my Combine evolution,

1894
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 3: I'm over a decade.

1895
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure you haven't been what twenty no, uh, probably

1896
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 2: fifty sixteen, okay, something like that. Yeah, a few behind you.

1897
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 4: I would say that percentage that you threw out has

1898
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 4: changed dramatically, absolutely, ninety nine point nine.

1899
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 2: Thankfully, Yeah, yeah, thankfully, because like we need a more

1900
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 2: diverse group here of course in the league, and we

1901
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 2: are getting that. They're like three different women's for events

1902
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,560
Speaker 2: yesterday the Combine one. Look, yeah, the face of the

1903
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 2: Combine has changed for the better. The bars at night

1904
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 2: of that, they are still the same same bars. Yes,

1905
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 2: well it is the same circuit, there's no doubt about that. Well,

1906
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was the mail bag or

1907
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 2: now so much more to come. We'll go mail bag tomorrow.

1908
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 2: Mail bag will be tomorrow, so much more to come.

1909
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 4: Thank you for listening to Cleveland Browns Daily Live from

1910
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,440
Speaker 4: the Combine on eight to fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is

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Speaker 4: All right, just thirty, how about it? So so much

1916
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 4: more to come. It's gonna have to be brief. And

1917
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 4: it's been a pleasure, a pleasure.

1918
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 5: I want to do it again tomorrow.

1919
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Am I doing it again tomorrow?

1920
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:05,839
Speaker 5: I don't think I am. Now, you got bo Tomorrow

1921
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 5: we'll do it live.

1922
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 2: It'll be back. No, No, you're part of this too, Okay,

1923
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 2: I'll be back talk tomorrow morning. Between.

1924
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's kind of a big day, actual, kind

1925
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 4: of a big day, kind of a big day. All right, Well,

1926
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 4: it's been a lot of fun. The next level is next.

1927
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,160
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