1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now thanks for 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: being here. And he's still out there making the rounds 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: doctor Anthony Fauci. You know, I still think that he 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: should be wearing two masks, maybe goggles as well. Whenever 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: he's breathing droplets. He's out there hawking a book. It's 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: called Anthony Fauci, MD. Of course, of course, on call 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: a Doctor's Journey in Public Service. I want to vomit, 8 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: but here we are. He got paid a five million 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: dollar advance, which is pretty much like presidential memoir level advance. 10 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that is as big as advances these days 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: really get. And that's supermomant. 12 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's super important to hit here because this that 13 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: that is an unbelievable amount of money to get for someone. 14 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: Who well, let's be honest, it's. 15 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: It's just a giveaway, right, It's just left. 16 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: This is what they do. This is what I always say. 17 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: If you are a soldier for the left in politics, 18 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: not like an actual soldier, but if you are, if 19 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: you are somebody who's willing to, you know, swing a 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: pipe on the street for them, so to speak, if 21 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: you're going to go after their enemies, they will always 22 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: protect you. They will always have a job for you, 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: a sinecure somewhere. They'll always have some uh, some position, 24 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: some board seat, some book deal. On the right. It's like, 25 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, open a small business. Good luck. 26 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: Your career in public life is ruined because you stood 27 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: up for what's right. I mean, we're not as good 28 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: about that at all. Uh, And we don't circle the 29 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: wagons the way that we should. But anyway, Fauci is 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: out there. He's also I think he's worth like fifteen 31 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: million dollars or something like that. So somehow, and he's 32 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: the highest paid gut Fauci is in a multi million 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: person federal government payroll. Fauci is the highest paid employee 34 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: of the federal government, the single highest which is really 35 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: quite something, isn't it. But he's out there and he's 36 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: making the rounds. And here, for example, is Fauci on 37 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: that this is a big thing. How we couldn't know 38 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: fog of war, all this stuff. He was on MSNBC. 39 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: I think this was this has cut four play it. 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 4: How frustrating is it to you that people look back 41 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: with twenty twenty hindsight and judge you when you and 42 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 4: the rest of the world was in a fog of war. 43 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: You know, it is quite frustrating, Joe. They don't appreciate 44 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 4: that we were dealing with a moving target, wear a 45 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 4: mask or not. 46 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: How the virus is spread. 47 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 4: I mean, originally it was felt understandably but incorrectly by 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 4: the CDC that it is spread by the same way 49 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 4: that flew as spread, namely mostly by droplets, But in 50 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 4: fact most of the transmission is not only by not droplets, 51 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 4: it's by aerosol, but also fifty to sixty percent of 52 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 4: the people who transmitted have no symptoms at all. We 53 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: didn't know that in the beginning. It was a changing 54 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 4: moving target. 55 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: It's not just the beginning. Okay, this is what they 56 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: love to do now, oh the fog of war. Yeah, 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: the first month or two we were figuring some stuff out. 58 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: But Clay, the fundamental problem with this, with the whole 59 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: Fauci approach now and with all the journalists who were 60 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: just giving him backrubs for his book. Oh thank you Fauci, 61 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: and he's all this humility that he approaches it with. Now, 62 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: in retrospect, we couldn't have known what was happening. It 63 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: was too difficult to decipher. At the time, it was 64 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: shut your face, do it. We're I'll cover your face. 65 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: We know I am science and the government's gonna shut 66 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: you down. Can't see your parents in the hospital, can't 67 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: have your wedding unless you're George Floyd, and then you 68 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: can have three funerals, but can't have your funeral. All 69 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: the stuff that they did was under the guise of 70 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: we are science, we have the answers. Yeah, they never 71 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: said we're not sure. This is complicated. So, I mean 72 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: they violated the most basic tenets of science in the beginning. 73 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: While they're now claiming that they were just you know, 74 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: figuring it out as they went. They never said that. 75 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: They told millions of morons across the country, we have 76 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: the answers, and they believed everything that they said, and 77 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: they were shouting at you for not wearing a mask 78 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: out on the street. 79 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 2: I sat down with my three kids in April of 80 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Maybe it was early May, but I think 81 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: it was late April because we came to Florida and 82 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: spent the whole month of May because I was just 83 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: done with COVID already. Then you go back and check 84 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: my timeline. I mean, we went out on Cinco de 85 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: Mayo to an indoor restaurant in Florida, and I posted 86 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: about taking my family out for Cinco de Mayo in 87 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Go read those comments. But I sat down 88 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: with each of my kids. This is why I refuse 89 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,559 Speaker 2: to accept what the faucis of the world are trying 90 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: to say. Now they've moved from to your point, we 91 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: know exactly what everyone in the whole United States has 92 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: to do to Well, maybe we were wrong, but you 93 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: heard Scarborough there say, well it was the fog of war. 94 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: You never could have known it. Somehow. 95 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: I sat down with my kids in late April of 96 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty and I said, look, you guys are not 97 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: really at risk from COVID. All of us are going 98 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 2: to get it. That's likely the way it's going to go, 99 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: and we're all going to be fine. A lot of 100 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: us are going to probably get it. We'll never know 101 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: that we even had it, because that's the way this 102 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: COVID works for, especially young people who are healthy. And 103 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: I said, you don't need to worry about it at all. 104 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: We're not changing our lives. And I was able to 105 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: do that with my family, with my boys, who I 106 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: care about more than anything in the whole wide world. 107 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: But really what they did was it was a huge 108 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: IQ test, and massive majorities, I would say, of the 109 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: American population failed it. And what it really came down 110 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: to was, can you or can you not understand basic risk? 111 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: Can you analyze for yourself and your family members reasonably 112 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: intelligent decisions to make for purposes of risk? 113 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: And buck? 114 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: When you had me visit the apartment that you were 115 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: living in during COVID in New York City, yeah, I 116 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: walked in there. We first started to doing It's been 117 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 2: almost three years. This is sometime probably in the fall 118 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one, when we had been doing the 119 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: show for just a little while. I walked in there 120 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: and I said. One of the first things I said 121 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: was I would have gone insane, like if I had 122 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: been in a high rise building living by myself. 123 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 3: Forced in New York City. 124 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: Look, the only reason most people live in New York 125 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: City is because you can experience the city. 126 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: Right. 127 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: Most people aren't wealthy enough to have tremendous places to 128 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: live in and say, hey, you can go to these parks, 129 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: you can go to these plays, you can go to 130 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: if you live. 131 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: In Manhattan, and you have like a really yard. You're 132 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: you're a Rockefeller. Okay, that's not a thing. 133 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the only reason most people live in It's 134 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: like for those of you who don't live in New 135 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: York City, it's like most people don't go on a 136 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: cruise ship for the cruise room. You go on for 137 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: the cruise ship. You go on for the places that 138 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: you're going to, port of calls, things like that. Most 139 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: of the time you're not like, man, this cruise ship 140 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: cabin is amazing, unless you're really rich, and you know 141 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: then that's different. 142 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: But I would have gone insane. 143 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: And I mean, I understand why everybody left New York 144 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: City who could, who had a better place to go, 145 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: But what they did, and the fact that's still and 146 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: I feel very fortunate because I lived in Tennessee, I 147 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: lived in Florida. My life really didn't change very much 148 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: during COVID, But for what they did, for no one 149 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: to have been held accountable, and for now for them 150 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: to be saying, oh, it's the fog of war. Go 151 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: read the comments from what you and I were posting 152 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. There was no fog of war. Responses 153 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: weren't like, well, you know, this is an interesting perspective, 154 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: but maybe I disagree with it a little bit. It 155 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: was like, you're killing my grandma. You should go to Hell. 156 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: I hope you die. That's what people said to me. 157 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, Biden, let's bring this up 158 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: to more of the current, in the sense that they 159 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: always just want to focus. In the first sixty days, 160 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: Biden gave a speech in which he suggested that people 161 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: who weren't getting the COVID vaccine were responsible for a 162 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: winter of death. Okay, he actually gave that speech with 163 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: the red lights and the Marines in the background, the 164 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: whole thing, you know, the Emperor Palpatine speech for the 165 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: Star Wars nerds out there. That was total, total garbage. Okay. 166 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: The vaccine did not prevent transmission at all. They don't 167 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: even pretend that it prevents transmission. So you were no 168 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: risk to somebody else because you didn't get the vaccine. 169 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: That is a fact. And they divided the country along 170 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: those lines. They made people get vaccine passports. In New 171 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: York City, they were trying to make everybody who worked 172 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: at a company with more than one hundred employees get 173 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: the vaccine as a as a point of federal authority. 174 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court finally stepped in. The Supreme Court should 175 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: have steped in. I totally disagree. I thought the Supreme 176 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: Court was honestly too whimpy to step in on the 177 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: shutting down of churches because they say so no, sorry, 178 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: Like the government's not allowed to just say people are 179 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: getting sniffles, you can't go to church. I think that 180 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: we still as a society haven't even begun to take 181 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: full stock of what was done to us. I think 182 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: that people just want to move on past it, and 183 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: I think that's actually the wrong attitude. I think that 184 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: that unfortunately leaves us open to going down this pathway 185 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: in the future. I mean, here, for example, we could 186 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: do this all day. We're gonna get switch topics here 187 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: in a moment. But here is Rachel Maddow, who was saying, 188 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: you don't if you get the shot, you don't get COVID, 189 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: you don't spread COVID. Remember she was famously on TV 190 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: saying that has no feelings of like, oh my gosh, 191 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: I was kind of silly. I shouldn't have no. No, 192 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: still think she's a genius. Here she is with Fauci 193 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: saying that it was dangerous to talk about hydroxychlorican and 194 00:09:58,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: iver met and play five. 195 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 5: Was it dangerous for him to promote hydroxychloroquin and I 196 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 5: remected and those other cures multi supposed cures that don't 197 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 5: actually drink coming. 198 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean obviously it is. I mean I don't 199 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 4: want to get into how many numbers of people would 200 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 4: have made the difference, but clearly he missed an opportunity 201 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 4: because there were people out there who knew nothing about this, 202 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 4: who was saying hydroxy chlorocin works, and we know that 203 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 4: not only does it not, but it actually hurts people. 204 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 4: He could have used the bully pulpit of the presidency 205 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 4: to say, hey, listen to the scientists. 206 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: But he didn't do that. 207 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: He is a horrible, vile, evil little smurf Fauci. Okay, 208 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: it's not just I disagree with him, Okay, Fauci. So ivermectin, 209 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: which is a drug that has saved people around the world, 210 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people from river blindness. The person 211 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: who developed the Japanese scientists who developed ivermectin got the 212 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: Nobel Prize in Medicine because it was such a huge breakthrough. 213 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: Hydroxychloroquin has been used to help people from malaria, millions 214 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: of people malarias horror. It can kill you, but it's 215 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: also debilitating. You can have relapses. Horrible. Those are safe drugs, 216 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: very safe drugs, Clay. You know what was promoted by 217 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: Fauci and his little minions putting people on ventilators, which 218 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: killed them, which killed them. Well, why isn't Rachel Mattow 219 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: asking about Hey, you know, was it dangerous for you, 220 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: like the little schmuck that you are, to promote being 221 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: on ventilators? Was it dangerous for you to tell everybody 222 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: that Remdesevie will save you? No, no, they won't. You know, 223 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: remdesivir By. It doesn't work at all. I mean they 224 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: were promoting things all along as you remember this didn't 225 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: work at all. 226 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: Not only that, remember all of the ventilators that we 227 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: made that then we ended up selling for scrap metal. 228 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: I mean, they they produced because the idea was remember 229 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: they were trying to put Trump under the under the 230 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: gun here, and they kept saying, remember all the questions, 231 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 2: can you personally guarantee that every single person who needs 232 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: a ventilator is going to have one? 233 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: We needed to we needed to mobilize, you know, the 234 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: military industrial complex in this country in order to get 235 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: as many ventilators done as possible. And they were saying, 236 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: Trump can't get it done. And then Trump actually paid 237 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: the way for it to get done, and none of 238 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: the scientists were actually look a lot of it. And 239 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: people who were working in New York City in those hospitals, 240 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: I've talked to them. They'll tell you this, they'll tell 241 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: you it off the record. People were scared. I mean 242 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: the medical personnel, we're scared. And they were like, I'm 243 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: scared of COVID and I'm talking about people in their forties, 244 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: people that had really no risk from COVID, but they 245 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: got so freaked out that they wanted to put people 246 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: on ventilators and then just see what happens lately. Leave 247 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: them be, spend less time with them, don't figure out 248 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: what's really going on. And they were pushing. I mean, so, 249 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: if you're gonna point fingers at safe drugs, safe enough 250 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: that people take them for a whole range of things 251 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquin, why not take any clay? Why 252 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: not take any culpability for pushing people. The only person 253 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: that I personally know who died from COVID was one 254 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: of the first wave, and he was put on a 255 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: ventilator and he lasted weeks of just miserably slowly dying 256 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: in the hospital. I think, I truly believe he would 257 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: have lived that they had not put him on a ventilator. 258 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: I don't know a single person. I mean, I know 259 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: people who were elderly and died with four or five 260 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: different things, including COVID, But I don't know anyone that 261 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: got COVID and died just from COVID. But the ventilator 262 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: thing is pretty wild, because again I've met a lot 263 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: of you don't know this. All of our taxpayer dollars 264 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: we produced whatever it was, millions of ventilators. The vast 265 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: majority of them have now been sold for scrap metal 266 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: because we had virtually no use for them. And I 267 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: would just ask if anyone, I don't know, if anyone 268 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 1: can get to somebody who, whether it's in Congress, we 269 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: got a lot of members of Congress listened to the show. 270 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: Asked the question that I've asked before about Fauci, which 271 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: is why is it that he never wants during the 272 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: higher pandemic, said you're going too far. We don't need 273 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: to do that, not one time on one. When they 274 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: were cutting holes in masks so people could play the 275 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: obo in high school, he didn't say that was too far. 276 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: When they were when they were making circles in the 277 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: park on the ground so people would sit socially distance 278 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: from each other, he didn't say that was too much. 279 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: When they had kids in plastic bubbles in band practice, 280 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: he didn't say, maybe we could take a chill pill. 281 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: Everything was everything that was crazy, everything that was for 282 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: the anxious freaks to like make us all live under 283 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: this tyranny he was in favor of. Never once did 284 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: he say, back off, we don't need to do that. 285 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: I mean, and I just I can go out all 286 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: day long anybody. 287 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: The people inside of the inside of the bubbles playing 288 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: instruments is and then the people with the masks on 289 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: that they cut holes in so they could play the instrument. Yeah, 290 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it's next level crazy that this ever occurred. 291 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: People were building submarines with screen doors, and they thought 292 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: that we were the crazy ones, and we're asking, hey, 293 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna work. 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A lot of you 321 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: want to weigh in on topics so far. We're going 322 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: to be joined by Mac Michael Patrick Leahy from the 323 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: Tennessee Star on this trans shooter. Let's try to get 324 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: in a couple of calls if we can. Michael in Iowa, 325 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: what you got. 326 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: Fun? 327 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 5: I was gonna weigh on Pauci, but you know, as 328 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 5: far as the trans shooter goes, it's it's something to 329 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 5: where it's like, all right, pretty much speech is out 330 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 5: the window, I guess at this point, and somebody's gonna 331 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 5: go to jail for just calling it like it is, 332 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 5: you know, and it's something that the mainstream media wants 333 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 5: to ignore and we're shedding light on it. But when 334 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 5: it's a you know, a white shooter or something like that, 335 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 5: it's like, well they're under a magnifying glass because well 336 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 5: it fits their narrative and yeah, it's it's it's unreal. 337 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: So thank you for the call, and it's no doubt buck, 338 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: and we'll talk about this in just a sec. But 339 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 2: the fact that it's been over a year, even in 340 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: a red state like Tennessee, and even in an area 341 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: like Nashville, they can't get the truth out because the 342 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: narrative is challenged, and so the protection mechanisms kick in. 343 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: And you know as well as I do, that this 344 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: has been some crazy right wing shooter, lunatic. It would 345 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: have been out within a few minutes. 346 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely true. We'll get back into this coming up here momentarily, 347 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: my friends. 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Michael, thanks for making the 366 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: time for this is I can't say it's hard to 367 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: believe in America today, but it does show just how 368 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: far the fight against the First Amendment has gone. And 369 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: the way that journalists are not all rallying to your 370 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: cause is not surprising, but it's still distressing. So you 371 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: have been called and this is about the Tennessee I'm sorry, 372 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: the Nashville trans shooter manifesto. You've written about some of 373 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: this in the Tennessee Star, and you had to appear 374 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: in court because the judge was threatening sanctions against your 375 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: news organization. Tell us what's going on. 376 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 8: Here even worse than that? Blacca, thanks for having me on, 377 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 8: by the way worse than that I received. On June tenth, 378 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 8: my attorney received a show cause hearing order from Judge 379 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 8: Lashia Miles, who's hearing the case in Nashville's Chantry Court, 380 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 8: a case that we're a plaintiff in where we and 381 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 8: several others, including the Tennessee and the Tennessee Firearms Association, 382 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 8: back in May of twenty twenty three, asked the judge 383 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 8: to follow the Tennessee Public Records Act and release all 384 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 8: of the writings of the Covenant Killer, twenty eight year 385 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 8: old Audioli Kale, who killed six Nashville residents at the 386 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 8: Covenant School on March twenty seventh, twenty twenty three. So 387 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 8: all of the writings from the killer have been turned 388 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 8: over to the judge for her review. She's been resuwing 389 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 8: them for about a year, probably about five hundred pages 390 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 8: of twenty journals and one operational plan for the day 391 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 8: that she carried out this task. I obtained legally on 392 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 8: before June fifth, the eighty pages from one of those journals, 393 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 8: the most recent one, and also some files from the 394 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 8: criminal investigation record, and then we began writing stories based 395 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 8: upon those pages from the journal, but we didn't publish 396 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 8: any of them. We wrote stories, probably twenty twenty five 397 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 8: on the journals. We wrote a number of stories based 398 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 8: on the other documents that we'd received that weren't under 399 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 8: her review. And so out of the blue, Out of 400 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 8: the blue, Monday evening, last Monday evening, we got this 401 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 8: order from the court, and she said, the Court sets 402 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 8: the show cause hearing to determine why the alleged publication 403 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 8: of certain purported documents by the Tennessee Star and Michael 404 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 8: Patrick Lay does not violate the orders of the court 405 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 8: subjecting them to contempt proceedings and sanctions. But the weird 406 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 8: part about this book is earlier that day. In this order, 407 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 8: the judge said, the court received a media call requesting 408 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 8: a comment or a statement regarding the Tennessee Star publication 409 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 8: alleged publication of certain purported documents. That call was made 410 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 8: to the judge from a reporter at WSMV Television here 411 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 8: an NBC affiliate, Stacy Cameron, who we scooped, and apparently 412 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 8: he was pretty mad about it, and he made false 413 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 8: representations to the court. So that's how their hearing was 414 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 8: set up. So I show up there yesterday to answer 415 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 8: the court's claims we didn't violate any court order. I 416 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 8: had a terrific attorney, Daniel Horowitz, in the first First 417 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 8: Amendment specialist. I'd also been represented by Nick Berry America 418 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 8: First Legal in the ongoing case. The judge heard from 419 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 8: everybody else except for my attorney until the very end, 420 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 8: and she talked about something entirely different. It wasn't a 421 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 8: show caused order about me. It was to get the 422 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 8: opinion of all the other people in the case. And 423 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 8: there's like twenty lawyers as to whether or not the 424 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 8: fact that we had published stories based upon these eighty 425 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 8: pages whether she still should render a decision. My attorney 426 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 8: got up and at the very end, at seven minutes, 427 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 8: and tried to ask the judge, now, what was that 428 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 8: order that you said we violated. She shut him down. 429 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 8: She was very rude to him. I basically I was 430 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 8: denied the privilege of being represented by my attorney by 431 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 8: her conduct. He did a good job. But the bottom 432 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 8: line of this is she said, well, now I have 433 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 8: some information, I may order a special investigator to look 434 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 8: into Lahy and see if we should proceed with contempt 435 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 8: of court. That's the summary of it. 436 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 2: Buck Okay, why do you think that these writings and 437 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 2: I'm in Nashville born and raised native, Thanks for coming on. 438 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: Why do you think these writings, over a year after 439 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: the brutal murder of six innocent people by this crazy 440 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: trans person, has not been released into the public domain 441 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 2: in any way. 442 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 8: Well, that's a good question. The Metro National Police Department 443 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 8: have stated that it's still an open investigation. There's an exception, 444 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 8: as you know, since you're an attorney, Clay went to 445 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 8: Vanderbilt law school or I did very well in law 446 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 8: before you did very well in media. There's an exception 447 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 8: to the Sennessee Public Records Acts, which allows police departments 448 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 8: not to release documents if there's an open investigation. Well, 449 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 8: we're very skeptical that more than a year after there's 450 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 8: still is an open investigation. But that's the reason that 451 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 8: these writings haven't been released. They say, I mean they're lies. 452 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean, is an open investigation. They just never want 453 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: to close the investigation. So they're clearly abusing this. But 454 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: also the notion, I mean, if you work for the 455 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: New York Times, no person with an IQ over fifty 456 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: would think that a judge would be calling you inlack All. 457 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: You published something that I said is not allowed to 458 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: be spoken about or written about. It feels like the 459 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: politics here are coming down on your head because the 460 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: left doesn't want this, the truth of this trans terrorist 461 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: coming out for the public to see. 462 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 8: Well, interestingly enough, Clay and Buck, we obtained some other 463 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 8: documents legally that are not among the writings that the 464 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 8: judge is reviewing in camera. That's her decision about what 465 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 8: she's going to allow to be released or not. But 466 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 8: one document you may have seen. This a memo from 467 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 8: the FBI, the Behavioral Analysis Unit out of Quantico, Virginia, 468 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 8: sent May eleventh, twenty twenty three, to the chief of 469 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 8: police here, John Dre That the subject line was protection 470 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 8: of legacy tokens. Do either of you guys, have you 471 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 8: ever heard the term legacy token? 472 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 3: No? 473 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 8: No, okay, So it's a term made up by the FBI, 474 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 8: and Buck, you know from your days at the CIA 475 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 8: how these guys work. The memo, the legacy token refers 476 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 8: to a writing or a video or a social media 477 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 8: posting left behind by a mass murderer, because you know, 478 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 8: when there's a mass murderer, the FBI swoops in to 479 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 8: the local Police Department and they take it over basically 480 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 8: information flow. In this memo to Intronational Police Chief John Drake, 481 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 8: the FBI said, never release these documents because the public 482 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 8: won't understand them, pontificators and pundits will misinterpret them, and 483 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 8: certain special groups might be hurt by it. I wonder 484 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 8: who they mean by that. But wait, there's more in 485 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 8: that memo. You can go to the tesnistar dot com 486 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 8: tennesseitar dot com and just type an FBI or hit 487 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 8: the covenant a school shooting cab and see. They also said, oh, 488 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 8: by the way, Chief Drake, there is precedent for the 489 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 8: destruction of legacy tokens. They destroyed the basement videos of 490 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 8: the Combine kidder killers back in nineteen ninety nine. Now, 491 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 8: the FBI didn't say destroy these documents, but they said, oh, 492 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 8: by the way, here's this president for destroying documents. 493 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: Now we're talking about what Michael Patrick Lahy encouraged you 494 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: to go check out the Tennessee Star. A couple of 495 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: tight end questions. Here, have you published all of the 496 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 2: documents that you have received at this point or their 497 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: other things that you plan to publish. Second part of 498 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: this and this builds on what Buck said. Generally speaking, 499 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 2: anytime a journalist is threatened with punishment for publishing something 500 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: that is the newsworthy, the media all lines up in 501 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 2: concert by behind them and says, hey, what a brave 502 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: steward of journalism this is. Let's go ahead and support them. 503 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 2: Have you gotten any of that coverage or support from 504 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 2: the New York Times, the Washington Post, the ostensible protectors 505 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: of democracy. Democracy dies in darkness after all with the 506 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: Washington Post? So is there more to come? And secondly, 507 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: have the stalwarts of journalism and truth and justice in 508 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 2: America lined up behind you as they oftentimes claim that 509 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 2: they that they would do. 510 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 8: I'll thank the second question. First, No, nothing from the 511 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 8: New York Times, ABC, NBCCBSC, and N They've said nothing 512 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 8: about my First Amendment rights, and nor for that matter, 513 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 8: of many of the local television stations. I will say 514 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 8: that the Tennessee and has said, has said my saying, 515 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 8: and Cash Till Banner has defended my rights. Here most 516 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 8: conservative media outlets have in tach defended my rights now 517 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 8: First Amendment rights. But let's go back into Mortcone. Absolutely 518 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 8: there's more to come. We actually have not yet published 519 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 8: any of the eighty pages that we have from the 520 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 8: killers writings, there's probably about five hundred pages or so 521 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 8: that's currently being reviewed by the judge. But I will 522 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 8: tell you this, I have a lot more documents from 523 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 8: the police investigation. I have many crime scene photos. We 524 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 8: haven't published any of them yet, but we have the 525 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 8: right to publish all of them, and we may in 526 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 8: the very very near term. I will point this out 527 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 8: play since you're from Nashville. The police here in Nashville, 528 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 8: and we've got documents to grow with affidavit, subpoenis, etc. 529 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 8: Have known from day one of their investigation March twenty seventh, 530 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 8: twenty twenty three, that Audri Elizabeth Tale was under care 531 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 8: of Vanderbilt Psychiatric Hospital, part of Vanibolt University Medical Center 532 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 8: for twenty two years, from two thousand and one, when 533 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 8: she was six years old to twenty twenty three, when 534 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 8: she was basically twenty eight years old when she died. 535 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 8: I have evidence from the police file that mental health 536 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 8: professionals at Vanderbilt University knew that she had threatened to 537 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 8: kill her father and carry out a shooting and failed 538 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 8: to follow in their duty to warm. 539 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: That is a big deal. One last question for me 540 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: for you. I've heard that she was interested in shooting 541 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 2: at multiple schools and may not have attacked those other 542 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: schools because she saw armed security there and felt like 543 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: there would be better response in terms of being able 544 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 2: to protect the kids. Has your reporting uncovered anything of 545 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: that nature. 546 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 8: Her parents were asked in a police interview in July 547 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 8: twenty twenty three why Covenant They didn't know. I can 548 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 8: tell you from what I've seen a first nothing untoward 549 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,719 Speaker 8: happened to her from any of our evidence when she 550 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 8: was a student at Covenant School from kindergarten fourth grade. 551 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 8: And I believe the reason she chose Covenant because it 552 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 8: was a relatively soft target compared to some of the 553 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 8: other targets could have been Opry Mills or others, and 554 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 8: she was familiar with it. 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And I thought it 601 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 2: was interesting, Buck and you mentioned it and quizdom on 602 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 2: it in particular that they are doing so by saying 603 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: they're still in the midst of an ongoing investigation. What 604 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: in the world could they still be investigating at this 605 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: point in time. I mean, if there were or some 606 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: sort of co conspirator, that person should have been at 607 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: rest been a year. 608 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 3: I don't even understand what. 609 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: The investigation that they're using as justification to not release 610 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: all these writings could possibly be. And they're five hundred 611 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: some odd pages. I think he said of the writings, 612 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: if there are some aspects of this writing that you 613 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 2: believe needs to be redacted because there are attacks on 614 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 2: innocent people or people are named, I think most people 615 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 2: would say that's fine. I as a Nashville resident, I 616 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 2: think it's important that we know what motivated and caused 617 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 2: this shooter to behave in the way that she did. 618 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: Well, if the standard is now we can only know 619 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: the motive. If the motive is something that advances the 620 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: political interests of Democrats, why don't we just come out 621 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: and say that, because it seems very clear that if 622 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: it is something that is politically a disadvantage for Democrats, 623 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: and I really just put it that bluntly, the public 624 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: is not allowed to know what the motive of a 625 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: incident of matter murder is or a mass shooting was, 626 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: and we've seen this before. I mean I mentioned during 627 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: the Obama administration when the Pulse nightclub shooting happened. The 628 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: guy is on audio tape, you know, he called in 629 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: to he called in to tell everybody why he was 630 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: doing it. The FBI released a redacted transcript under Obama 631 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: where they cut out him saying I'm doing this for 632 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: Isis and I you know, and I do it for 633 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: Allah and you know, all the Jihad Muslim stuff. They 634 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: cut that stuff out. You could fill in the blank yourself, 635 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: but they cut it out because it didn't fit the 636 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: narrative they wanted at the time. 637 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 3: That's right, and so I think you should be highly skeptical. 638 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: And it's wild to me that all of this coverage, 639 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 2: and I would encourage you again go check out the 640 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: Tennessee Star to a large extent being completely ignored. And 641 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: we've talked about on this show for three years that 642 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 2: we've been together on here. The biggest power of the media, 643 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: as it pertains the New York Times, the Washington Post, 644 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 2: who set the agenda in much of the national print 645 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: publication universe, is what they cover. 646 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 3: That is where their power lies. 647 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 2: What they choose to treat as a serious story and 648 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 2: what they choose to pretend is not a serious story, obviously, 649 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 2: with what happened with the Hunter Biden laptop as a 650 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 2: primary example of that. We come back. We're going to 651 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 2: be joined by Steven Miller. He will be the Cizar 652 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 2: of the Border in the Trump administration, starting, we hope 653 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: in January of twenty twenty five. What does he think 654 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: about the new policy that Biden is releasing today as 655 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 2: it pertains to illegals in the country, and where are 656 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 2: we headed next Stephen Miller will join us in just 657 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 2: a few minutes.