1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: First of all, the game is a great game. It's 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: not an easy game. It's a tough game, but it's 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: a great game. If it was an easy game, everybody 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: is doing but everybody can't. You gotta be tough enough 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: to do it. But the game is a game that 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: you learned a lot of boys of life and a 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: lesson I spoke earlier something lessons. 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: You learn how to get up after being knockdown, folks. 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: That's a lesson that you can take with you through 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: out life. 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 3: Hey, this is lebar and Arrington, your host of the 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 3: podcast of the year. Why because this is National Football 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: Foundation Podcast. Good in the Game, That's right. This is 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: going to be our first episode. And who better to 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: started off with than the legend himself, Archie Griffin. We're 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: gonna talk youth football. We're going to talk first place. 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 3: He had an amazing story to tell, recollection of the 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 3: first time he ever got into a game for Ohio State. 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: The Heisman's talking about the preparation, talking about being a 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: good person in life, living by the golden rule. You're 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: gonna get all that and more with my conversation with 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 3: Archie Griffin. Buckle up, let's get going. It's good in 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: the game. Here we go, Let's let's try to do this, 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: and let's do it a little bit of service. This 25 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: is a Goat Griffin that we have right here, otherwise 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: known as Archie Griffin. Some people may not know this 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: about you, but you finished fifth and voting your sophomore year, 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: so in theory, technically you almost got the Heisman three times. 29 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: People may not know that about you, but then you 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: ended up getting it in seventy four and seventy five. 31 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: Big Ten, Most Valuable Player in seventy three and seventy four. 32 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: United Press International Player of the Year twice in seventy 33 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: four and seventy five. Walter Camp Foundation named your Player 34 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 3: of the Year seventy four and seventy five. But Maxwell 35 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: Award named you Player of the Year in seventy five, 36 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: Sporting News Man of the Year in seventy five, College 37 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: Football Hall of Fame in nineteen eighty six, enshrined in 38 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: the Ohio State Athletic Hall of Fame in eighty one, 39 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: Retired New Jersey the famous forty five in ninety nine, 40 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: Inducted into the Rose Ball Hall of Fame in ninety 41 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety and you were honored with the statue, which 42 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: I had the pleasure of being a part of the 43 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: ceremony when they unveiled it in twenty twenty four in 44 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: August seventeenth at Rose Bowl Stadium. Not very many people 45 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: will have this type of resume, if not any ever 46 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: in the history of the game, Archie Griffin. I mean, 47 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 3: I hope I did alright doing an intro on your 48 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: accolades and your honors. Did I leave anything I no, No, 49 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 3: you didn't leave anything else. 50 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: You did better than anybody could ever expect anybody to 51 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: ever do. Thank you so much, and it just makes 52 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: me realize how fortunate, LeVar, that I was to be 53 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: able to play on the teams that I played on 54 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: during my time at Ohio Street, because as you know, 55 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, one man can't do it. And I was 56 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: very fortious to be on some great teams. I had 57 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: some great players, had some great All Americans playing with 58 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: me that certainly helped me to achieve the things that 59 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: I was able to achieve. So I count myself as 60 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: very purtious, thankful for being in the right place at 61 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: the right time, with the right peace. 62 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: It's amazing. I mean, a four time starter in the 63 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: Rose Bowl during Rose during Bowl season, Archie, what this is? 64 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 3: This is a podcast about this is the good of 65 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: the game, and this was created. This was created to 66 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: talk about what good has come from being a part 67 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: of this game. And none would be able to give 68 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: it any more justice. And speaking to that than yourself. 69 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: What I mean, You've been a part of the Columbus 70 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: community for the last fifty years since winning your first Heisman. 71 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: Can you just talk about what has what has this 72 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: game done for Archie Griffin? 73 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: Well, this game, first of all, has done a lot. 74 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: I'll come from a fairly large family of our I've 75 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: got six brothers and a sister. My parents they were 76 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: the type. They gave all of us priorities to live 77 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: by trusting in God. 78 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: It was the first one. 79 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: Getting a college education was the second, and that third 80 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: one was for all of us to participate in sports. 81 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: And they wanted to persuade. 82 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: In sports because when you get involved in sports, you 83 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: learn a lot of life's valuable lessons. You know, things 84 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: such as the will to win, coping with pressure, getting 85 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: along in a team situation, all which you're very very important. 86 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: But what is most important is that when you play 87 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: the game of football, you learn the real life lesson 88 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: of how to get up once you get knocked down. 89 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: And when you talk about the game of football and 90 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: what it has taught me, it's taught me to get 91 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: up after being knocked down. And that's a lesson that's 92 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: helped me throughout my life because anytime I get in 93 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: any type of situation, I know that if I'm going 94 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: to get knocked down or if I'm having tough time, 95 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: just see it through and you're gonna be okay because 96 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: of the lessons I learned through the game of football 97 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: getting up after being knocked down, and the game has 98 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: been so very very important and for me personally, my 99 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: college education is because of the game of football. As 100 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: I mentioned, my folks had a goal for us to 101 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: all get college education. Well, all six of my brothers 102 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: and my sister got college education. My six brothers all 103 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: played college football and they were all on college scholarship 104 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: and were all able to get their education because of 105 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: the game of football, and that was something that was 106 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: so very very important to us. And people ask me 107 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: all the time about, you know, going into pro football 108 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: this day in other world. 109 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: Pro football was never a goal of mine. 110 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: My goal was to play football, get a college scholarship 111 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: and get out and make a living. 112 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 2: That that was my goal. 113 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: And college, I mean high school football and all the 114 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: football that I played before college, I was gonna help 115 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: me do that. And it got me a scholarship to 116 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: go to House State. I was able to go there 117 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: graduate a quarter early, and unfortunately I. 118 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: Had the opportunity to play some professional football. 119 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: But the education was the big goal that I had 120 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: in the back of my mind because that was one 121 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: of the goals that my folks had for all of us. 122 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: And my parents didn't make a lot of money. They 123 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: could have never afforded to send eight kids to college. 124 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: And the game of football sent seven us, seven of us, 125 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: and then track and field sent my sister. So sports 126 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: in general was very, very important, but football, the game 127 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: loved it. 128 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: Growing up. I loved watching Jim Brown. He was the 129 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: guy that I wanted to be like. 130 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget one of the greatest compliments I 131 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: had when I played little league football my first year 132 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: playing position of fullback. At the banquet, I was about 133 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: eleven years old, and the coach told me that I 134 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: told the whole crowd at that time at our BANKT 135 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: introduced me as the next Jim Brown, and I never 136 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: ever forgot that, and that was always in the back 137 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: of my mind when I played the game, when I 138 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: went on to high school, and even when I went 139 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: to college. You know, I wanted to be the best 140 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: that I could be. In watching Jim Brown as I 141 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: grew up played for the Cleveland Browns, you know, it 142 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: was remarkable and set a great example for me and 143 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: how to run and how to be tough and how 144 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: just to play the game. 145 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 3: Can you talk about you talked about that experience and 146 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: being tough and playing at a high level. What what 147 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: went into your development? Like what when you played little league, 148 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: when you played high school and eventually made it into 149 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: Ohio State. The game of football was a truly, truly 150 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: more physical game when you were coming through. You know, 151 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: the rules are a whole lot different now and the 152 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: physicality of the game in which you came up in 153 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: and you played in. Can you talk a little bit 154 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: about what went into what molded You talked about wanting 155 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: to play like Jim Brown. But was there an influence? 156 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: Was there? Was there something close? Because for me being 157 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: from Pittsburgh, our influence was me and Joe green It 158 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: was else Greenwood. It was it was Jack Hammond and 159 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: Lambert That that's what influenced guys like me. It was 160 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: you know, Greg Lloyd and Kevin Green. I patterned myself 161 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: after those guys when I was growing up. Before it 162 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 3: was even about learning about fundamentals or anything like that. 163 00:09:54,400 --> 00:10:01,479 Speaker 3: I made my molded my mindset to what I envisioned 164 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 3: to match what the intensity of what those guys were doing, 165 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 3: even at a young age. What was your influence. Was 166 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: there a real influence on that or was it just 167 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: I got God's gifts. I'm out here, I'm gonna run 168 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 3: over these cats. I'm a run around and I'm run through. 169 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: What was a part of how you developed coming up well? 170 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: First of all, again, Jim Brown was my influence at 171 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: a young age. When I first started playing football, I 172 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: played guard, offensive guard, and nose guard on defense. When 173 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: I was a young kid, I was pretty heavy. I 174 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: was could never play with the kids my own age 175 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: because I weighed too much, So I played up in wait. 176 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: So when I was nine years old, I was playing 177 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: with guys that were like from twelve to fourteen years 178 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: old because I couldn't make the weight of the younger teams. 179 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: So I played I played offensive guard and those guard 180 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: on defense. And be honest with you, playing with those 181 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: older guys, I didn't. I got in every game, but 182 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: I didn't play a whole lot because those guys were 183 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: older and they were better. I mean I was nine 184 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: years old, they were twelve thirteen years old. But we 185 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: had a coach who really believed in letting young people play, 186 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: and he let me play every game. And probably the 187 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: reason he let me play every game is because we 188 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: never lost the game had the opportunity to put me in. 189 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: But he was an influence on me. He encouraged me 190 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: to be the best I could be, even though I 191 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: was playing guard and those guard on defense. Well, when 192 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: I got a little bit older, my family moved and 193 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: we had to leave the area where I was at 194 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: nine and ten years old, nine ten eleven years old. 195 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: So when I was twelve years old, I started playing 196 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: for another team, but it was in the same league. 197 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: But at that time I had gained a lot of weight. 198 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: I was over the one hundred and thirty five pounds 199 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: limit that they had as the weight limit for the 200 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: Bearcat League that was the league that I played, So 201 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: I had to lose weight and. 202 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: I did all kinds of crazy things to lose the 203 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: necessary weight. But I lost the. 204 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: Trash, trash bags to a gum, sat in a hot 205 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 3: bath top half high bath water. Been there, been there. 206 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: We had this old white station wagon that sit out 207 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: in our backyard where sit in it, let the back 208 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 1: seat down, did push ups, did set ups, did all 209 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff, Wrapped those uh cleaner's bags you go 210 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: to cleaning close to cleanse put those old sweater put 211 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: it under all kinds of clothes, went out, ran around 212 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: the block, the whole works. But I lost the necessary 213 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: weight that I needed to continue to play in that league. 214 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: And at that time, uh, I started out playing guard 215 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: again and and those got on defense. But one day 216 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: no fullback showed up for practice and coach asked volunteers 217 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: played fullback. Well, I always admired Jim Brown, so you 218 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: know me, put me in. 219 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: And I played fullback that day in practice. 220 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 3: And it never never changed, never changed. 221 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: After that, And from that point on, I wanted to 222 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: be Jim Brown. I mean I did everything he did. 223 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: Jim Brown ran hard, got hit, he would get up 224 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: real slow, walk back slowly to the huddle. 225 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: He didn't think that he was gonna come back again. 226 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: For the next played through. 227 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: I tried to do exactly that and and uh and 228 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: and everything that I did. 229 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 2: I wanted to be like Jim Brown. 230 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: I had success doing that, so that made me believe 231 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: that I could play the position. So when I played 232 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: the position, I played it with that attitude that nobody's 233 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: going to bring me down. And the first position that 234 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: I played was full back in the Little League, and 235 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: then once I reached high school, I played fullback throughout 236 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: high school. But when I got to college, I had 237 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: to change because my size I didn't grow much. 238 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 3: You're normal, right, You're normal that. 239 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: I didn't grow much after that, so I was only 240 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: about one hundred and eighty five pounds, And so I 241 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: ended up playing tail back and I tried to take 242 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: the same attitude to that position as I did the 243 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: fullback position. But again, LeVar, being in the right place 244 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: at the right time, with the right people really really helped. 245 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it makes a lot of sense. Can 246 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: you expand a little bit on playing because it's funny. 247 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: I started off as a nose guard. I started off 248 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: as a tackle. And you and I know, culturally speaking, 249 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: we want to be quarterback or running back or receiver. 250 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: We don't want to do the dirty work, but we 251 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 3: had to. Like for some of us, because of our size, 252 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: we had to play those positions. Did that have any 253 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: impact on how you developed and were able to play 254 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 3: the game as a running back? 255 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: Like? 256 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: Did any of the like the idea of it? For me? 257 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: I took a lot of what I learned early on 258 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: as a nose guard and as a tackle, and I 259 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: thought how they would think, like, what are they going 260 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: to do? I taught myself anticipation as a back just 261 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: based off of thinking, Okay, this is how I thought 262 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: when I was blocking, or this is how I thought 263 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 3: when I was a nose tackle. Did any of that 264 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: play a part in your development as a running back? 265 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: Oh? 266 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: No, no question about it. It gave me great appreciation 267 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: for those lines, for those offensive guards, for the center, 268 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: for the tackles, and the job that they had to 269 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: do to make sure that we were successful in running 270 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: to play. The appreciation that they gave me really really 271 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: helped me a long way, and I think it helped 272 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: me in my own dealing with our offensive line and 273 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: dealing with our defensive team and how much they how 274 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: much importance they played for the success of our football team. 275 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: So having the opportunity to play those different positions makes 276 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: you appreciate, shate what these guys do, and it helps 277 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: you in your running And one of the things that 278 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: I always did it as a running back is I 279 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: tried to learn everybody's position. I mean, I knew what 280 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: everybody on my offensive line was going to do. I 281 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: mean not just that I had to run through this 282 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: hole or that whole, but I want to know what 283 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: the blocking scheme was, the whole works. And that certainly 284 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: helped me in my playing at the House and university 285 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: and beyond. 286 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: Let's talk about that. So you get there, you have 287 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: a strong freshman season. You don't break a thousand yards Russia. 288 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: No, I don't break a thousand yards. Matter of fact, 289 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: my freshman year Leavar was the very first year the 290 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: freshmen were eligible to play because you I might remember 291 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: back in was it nineteen seventy I think Marshall University 292 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: and Wichita State University had those plane crashes, right, and 293 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: freshmen at that time weren't able to play Division one football. 294 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: They had their own freshman team, but Marshall wanted to 295 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: continue their football team and they couldn't do it because 296 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: a lot of they lost a lot of their sophomores, juniors, 297 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: and seniors in the plane crash. So NCAA then allowed 298 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: freshmen to play. So nineteen six two was the very 299 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: first year the freshman were usboll. So going into that year, 300 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: my main goal was, hey, I want to make the 301 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: varsity team. Because when I was coming out of high school, 302 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: so a lot of people told me I shouldn't go 303 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: to a house state. They said that I was too small. 304 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: They said the coach Woody Hayes, he only recruits the 305 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: big backs well over two hundred pounds, and that I 306 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: would never get a shot at playing at Ohio State. 307 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: And I ought to go somewhere where the guys were 308 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: smaller and I'd get a good chance for being an athlete. 309 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: And you know this, you feel, you know your ability 310 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: is bear than anyone else. So I took it as 311 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: a challenge to go to House steag University. And I'll 312 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: never forget when I reported the camp, I was put 313 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: at the back, and put at the back, and then 314 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: playing on the fifth team, and playing on the fifteen, 315 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: then playing on the scouts squad. You know, we were 316 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: taking the beating every day from the first team as 317 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: our job was to run the opposing team players while 318 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: the first team defense got their practice off of us. 319 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: And that was kind of discouraging because you really had 320 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: a hard time seeing you know, when you were going 321 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: to get. 322 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 3: Your opportunity right, that's right. 323 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: Especially you know, being a freshman. This being the very 324 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: first year that freshman. 325 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: Well, well, I'll never forget in that first year when 326 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: we had our first home game, Coach as he had 327 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: this belief that if you dress for House, if you 328 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: practice for House state, then you should be identified in 329 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: Ohio State University uniform at a home game. And I 330 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: was really happy about that because that would at least 331 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: show that I was part of the team. And I'll 332 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: never forget that first game that we played against Iowa. 333 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter, about a couple of minutes to 334 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: go in the game, Coach A gave a few freshmen 335 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: an opportunity to play, and I was one of those 336 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: freshmen and him calling me off the bench to go 337 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: into the game. I remember how excited I was. This 338 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: was my big opportunity. If I could get in the 339 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: game and run for it touch down and make it 340 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: big play, maybe he might just put me on that 341 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: varsity team. Well, he put me in with two minutes 342 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: to go, got in the huddle. First day called was 343 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: an eighteen. It was a pitch out to me going 344 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: around the right side. Big opportunity for me. We broke 345 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: the huddle, balls, quarterbacks started calling to say was ball snapped. 346 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: As soon as the ball was snapping, le Bar, I 347 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: did something that was fundamentally wrong. And you know this 348 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: is the truth. When I tell you, you know, when 349 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: you're running back. 350 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: Or a receiver and you're gonna get a pitch out 351 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: or pass, one of the fundamental things that you taught 352 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: first in little league is. 353 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 2: That you got to look the ball into your hand, 354 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: hand from. 355 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: The quarterbacks hands right to your own hand. But when 356 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: the ball was snapped, the first thing that I did 357 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: is I focused my attention on the home which I 358 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: was going. 359 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 2: To run through. And when I looked towards that hole. 360 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: I was shocked because those guys had opened up a 361 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: whole big enough you could drive a truck through it. 362 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: So instead of me turning back towards the quarterback and 363 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: watching the ball come to my hand, I kept my 364 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: eyes on that hole because I wanted to make sure 365 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: it didn't go anywhere me with my eyes on the hole. 366 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: The quarterback Christal ball. 367 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: The ball hit me in the hands and I fumbled, 368 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: and man, I got the I've got to tell you 369 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: that I thought that I had blown my big chance. 370 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: He took me out of the game, and I was 371 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: I was hurt, man, because I just felt that, you know, 372 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: I might not ever get another chance. 373 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: Well, I was going home. 374 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm from Plumbers, Ohio, and I remember going home that 375 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: evening and my dad said something was wrong with me here. 376 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: He asked me about and I told him, I said that, 377 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: you know, you know, I don't know I'd give hi 378 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: another chance. You know, I'm fifteen, tailed back on the 379 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: scout squad. I fumbled the ball with my only chance. 380 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: You know, I just don't and I'm a freshman. I mean, 381 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: I just don't know if I'm ever gonna get another chance. 382 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: With my father, like he'd always gave me a courtin, 383 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: he said, you know what, if they didn't think you 384 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: could play, they wouldn't have put. 385 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 2: You in there. So you know, just go back, continue 386 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: to do what you've been doing. 387 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: But I went back to practice that next week, but 388 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: I was still on that fifteam, still on the scout squad, 389 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: still taking that beating every day from the first Steamers. 390 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: But our next game was also a home game and 391 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: it was against the University of North Carolina. 392 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 2: And again because it was a home game, coaches out 393 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 2: everybody to dressing dress. Yeah. 394 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: So the night before that game, when Varsiti they went 395 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: away to a hotel, was fresh Missouri. We would lead 396 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: up with the varsity dad the game at the stake. 397 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: That game against North Carolina started in North Carolina blocked 398 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: the pun of bars and they went ahead of US 399 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: seven to nothing. And all of a sudden midway through 400 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: the first quarter, call from the bench called kept calling it, 401 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: and I knew he wasn't talking to me. He couldn't 402 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: have hit me. Man, I'm the fifth team tailback. I'm 403 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: on a scout squad. I had fumbled the week before, 404 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: and I was a freshman. Couldn't admit me. But the 405 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: calling griffin, and I was the only Griffin on the 406 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: team at the time. 407 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: So I went up and he grabbed me by the 408 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: shoulder pad and he told me to go into tailback. 409 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: But right then I got all excited and went to 410 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: run into the game. And as I went to run 411 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: out into the field of one of my good friends 412 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: having to call me back because all of the excitement 413 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: lebar I forgot to take my helmet with it. 414 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 3: Didn't even take your health. 415 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: That is amazing. 416 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: Couldn't couldn't believe it. 417 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: Wow Together, I went into the game, and I will 418 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: tell you I was in a daze the whole time. 419 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: All I could tell you is my number was being 420 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: called and I was just running with the ball. It 421 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: was just a big fall. And I know that I 422 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: played about two and a half quarters. I came out 423 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: of the game in the beginning of the fourth quarter. 424 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: And when I came out of the game and the 425 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: beginning the fourth quarter, the eighty six thousand fans that went, 426 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: ohiose game that day, they stood up and gave me 427 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: the standing ovation. They did it because those two and 428 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: a half quarters I had rushed for two hundred and 429 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: thirty nine yards, which at that time. 430 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: Was no happen It was directord that's right. 431 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: And I just couldn't. I just couldn't believe it. But 432 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: to me, it was a miracle. And I will say this. 433 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: The night before that game, when I prayed, as I 434 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: do every night, I asked the Lord to give me 435 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: a chance to play in that game. It wouldn't give 436 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: me a chance to help me play to the best 437 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: of my ability. So I do count that as a miracle, 438 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: and I'm so very, very thankful because that was really 439 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: the springboard to my career at Ohio State. 440 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: That's amazing. Okay, then you go into your next year 441 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: and you do start breaking a thousand yards rushing and 442 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: you are dominant. You know the one thing about being dominant. 443 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 3: I said this to Sakwan Barkley his last year, going 444 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: into his last year at school, When you're at the 445 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: bottom of the totem pole, you know, at the flag pole, 446 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: the wind don't blow that heart there. People don't see it. 447 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 3: It ain't high enough everybody. People can see it I closed, 448 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: but they don't see it from far and wide right. 449 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 3: But when when you show that you can play and 450 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 3: you get there and now he's coming out of that 451 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 3: freshman year and he's going into that sophomore season and 452 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: he's playing well, and then it goes into that junior 453 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: year and you win it. You win that Heisman Trophy. 454 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: You're one of the most dominant players in all of 455 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 3: college football. What was the mindset to know that coming 456 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 3: out of your sophomore campaign that it was going to 457 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 3: be what it was going to be, how hard it 458 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 3: was going to be to actually play well enough to 459 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 3: win a Heisman? And then what is the mindset of 460 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: once you're at the top of the flagpole and listen, 461 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: you come to the table, you can grab off of 462 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: the table, you grab the food, because they're like, who 463 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 3: was just grabbing the food? Oh? He got some food 464 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: out way, now we've seen coming. You ain't just gonna 465 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 3: come to the table and take the food off of 466 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 3: the table. Now you got you got to come take 467 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: this food. 468 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: Right, That's that's exactly right. 469 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: How did you do it? How'd you do it? 470 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: After my freshman year and especially after my sophomore year. 471 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: It got harder and harder and harder, no question about it. 472 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: And and uh, you know my coach with he Hayes, 473 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: he used to always have the same and he always 474 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: said you're either getting better or you're getting worse. 475 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: You never stayed the same, you never say at the 476 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: same level. 477 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: So for me, and it was probably a little warp 478 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: thinking even on my part, I felt that after after 479 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: my after my sophomore year, and you know, you mentioned 480 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: I finished fifth in the heids and the voting. Uh, 481 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: so I was I was a target. I mean, people 482 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: were going to be out getting me. So I had 483 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: to try and up my game. Will do the best 484 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: that I could do to up my game, and I 485 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: continued to work hard. 486 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: You know. I wanted to make sure that I was 487 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 2: in the best condition that I could be in. 488 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that mentally I was right 489 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to make mistakes, you know, So 490 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: I tried to be at the top of my game 491 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: mentally and physically. One of the things I would do 492 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: from a physical standpoint, we had a guy by the 493 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: name of Brian Bashmaker who played for the Chicago Bears 494 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: for several years. But Brian was one of those guys 495 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: who worked extremely hard. I mean, he was always in 496 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: the best condition of anybody. And one of the things 497 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: I would always do is I would always work out 498 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: with Brian because I knew that if I could hang 499 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: with Brian in the workouts, that I would be in 500 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: the best condition I could possibly be and I would 501 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: be ready to play no matter what. So I would 502 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: always work out with Brian to make sure that I 503 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: was in the best position I could be in, and 504 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: I felt that that would help me during the course 505 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: of the season. And I will say this coach with 506 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: Hayes helped out a lot because I wasn't the guy 507 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: that ran the ball thirty times a game. I may 508 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: have run the ball thirty times in a game, maybe 509 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: two or three times in my whole career at Ohio State, 510 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: but I didn't run the ball that much because once 511 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: we got a lead, once we once we got comfortable 512 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: or comfortable lead, you know, he taken me out and 513 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: wrest me. Uh he wanted me to get at least 514 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: one hundred yards, but he would take me out and 515 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: rest me and let some of the other guys play. 516 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 2: So I always. 517 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: Appreciated that because that meant that he cared about me 518 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: physically and didn't feel that I had to carry the 519 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: ball thirty times a game to do what we what 520 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: we needed to do. And we had some good backs too. 521 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean I played with Pete Johnson, I played with champions, 522 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: and those guys were real good. I mean they were 523 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: outstanding as a matter of fact. So so we could 524 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: we could. 525 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: Share the load. That had a great quarterback in Cornelius Green, 526 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: who was a great option quarterback. All yeah, that's right. 527 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: Had always called him a magician with the football, so 528 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: that was helpful as well. So you know, I just 529 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: tried to be the best that I could possibly be. 530 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: I was elected captains as a junior, and I felt 531 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: a big responsibility in that because it was unusual for 532 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: junior to be captain anyway, and so I felt that 533 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: I had to be a leader on that team. And 534 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: when I say leader, I had to lead from a 535 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: conditioning standpoint, I had to lead from a leadership standpoint, 536 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: and those things were all very very important to me. 537 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: But I did the best I can do. I always 538 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: tell people what I do is I. 539 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: Do the best I can do with the opportunity that 540 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: I had, and you can expect to get the best 541 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: out of me. And and that's all I could. 542 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: Could, really really do, be the best that I could be. 543 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 3: It has and this is now where the rubber meets 544 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: the road, because there's the transition from that mindset and 545 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 3: what it went into to be the type of player 546 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 3: that you were. But the one thing that that always 547 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: always precedes you is the reputation of how amazing a 548 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 3: man you are, how great a person you are. It 549 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 3: the the energy that you exude is that that makes 550 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 3: you instantly be inspired when I saw you. Every time 551 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 3: I see you, I'm inspired. Every time I'm around you, 552 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 3: I feel a sense of pride that that makes me 553 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 3: want to be better. When you left the game, you 554 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: took that mentality, the humble approach that I'm going to 555 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 3: be the best I can be, And it has translated 556 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 3: in you're after your post career life. How How has that? 557 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: How has that those experiences that you learned from football 558 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: translated Because so many times it's very difficult for us 559 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: to take and become civilians, become normal everyday people, you know, 560 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 3: and regardless of what our accolades are and what we accomplished. 561 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 3: For some of us that at the highest level of achievement, 562 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 3: it's the hardest to be able to adapt and adjust 563 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: to not being that star that you were when you 564 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 3: were an active player. But you have. You have impacted 565 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 3: the community. You have continued to work with the university. 566 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 3: At one point you were assistant athletic director. You're the 567 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 3: president of the Alumni club association. That you had guys 568 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 3: have had. You have been so entrenched and so active 569 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 3: that you have created a blueprint for us guys like 570 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 3: myself to follow post career. What went into that How 571 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 3: did it translate into you being able to establish being 572 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 3: such a well res expected person that sits on boards 573 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: of major corporations and sits on boards of charities and foundations. 574 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: What went into that? 575 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: Well, that that goes back to home my parents again. 576 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: They gave us great directions. And one of the things 577 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: that uh, they taught us, LeVar that I'll never forget. 578 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: I say the same thing to my kids, and that 579 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: is you treat people right. You know, you treat people right. 580 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: They always taught us or told us about following the 581 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: golden rule, do unto others as you wish they wouldn't 582 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: do unto you, and that and that was so important. 583 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: And I always, whether it's on my job as presidency 584 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: or the hous State University of Alumni Association, or whatever 585 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: job I've ever had, I've always wanted to make sure 586 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: that I treated people right, that I treated people in 587 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: situations the way I would want to be treated in 588 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: those situations. And usually when you when you do that, 589 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: the results are a good thing, because nobody ever wants 590 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: to be treated bad. And when you think about, you know, 591 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: how if you've got to let somebody go this, that 592 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: and the other, what's the proper way to do that. 593 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: You know, how would it would if you were being 594 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: let go? How would you like to be treated? Those 595 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: things come to mind when I'm in those situations. And 596 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: then the other thing is the good Lord up above. 597 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: I've been a man of faith all my life, and 598 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: again that comes from my parents. And I also think 599 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: about my former football coach, what he hates. He had 600 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: this thing, what he talked about, that he talked about 601 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: every year to us, paying forward, doing things to help 602 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: other people. 603 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: Every year he preached that. 604 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: To us, and not only did he preach it to us, 605 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: but you could see him do it. And that was 606 00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 1: so very very important. That was so influential in my 607 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: life because when it comes to charities and things of 608 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: that sort, I want to pay for it. I want 609 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: to do things to help other people. There were people 610 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: out there when I was a kid doing things to 611 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: help me, help my family, and I want to be 612 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: able to help others if I could possibly can. And 613 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: Woody Hayes was the best at that he talked to. 614 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: He got it from Ralph wa Wims say on compensation, 615 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: where it says you can never pay back the good 616 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: that someone may have done for you, but you can 617 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: always you can always pay forward. 618 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: And he preached that us. He paid forward. 619 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: You could watch him every year and all the charities 620 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: that he got involved with. And I can remember on 621 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: Thursday evenings after alf practice, a lot of us, a 622 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: few of us would get into the back of his 623 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: El Camino and he would drive us down the children's 624 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: hospital and we would meet up with some kids that 625 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,959 Speaker 1: were in children's hospital that look forward house State players 626 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: coming down on Thursday nights, and they would leave a 627 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: door open for Woody to bring us in. Now, he 628 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: didn't want anybody nobody. He wouldn't He didn't want the 629 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: press or anybody nobody. If the press would have known 630 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: about it, he wouldn't have done it. But the fact that 631 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: the folks that children administrated the children's hospital wanted him 632 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: to come down and bring some players to meet with 633 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: the kids meant a lot to him, and he wanted 634 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: to make sure that he would do it. And he again, 635 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: we'd get in the back of his l Comino, we 636 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: drive down and we'd meet with those kids, and those 637 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: kids had great smiles on their faces and. 638 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: They look forward to it. 639 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: And Coach a he loved doing that because he knew 640 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: that it helped those kids. But paying forward was his 641 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: big mantra and everything that he would do, he would 642 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: talk about paying forward, doing things to help others. 643 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 3: I love that. Before I let you go, I'm gonna 644 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: ask you one more coach question. And the podcast is 645 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: called good in the Game? What would you're good in 646 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 3: the game? Message be to today's athletes, whether it's the younger, 647 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 3: younger generations of guys that are aspiring to make it 648 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 3: at the high school, college level, maybe even the pro level. 649 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 3: What is the good in the game message that Archie 650 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 3: Griffin will want them to know and take with them. 651 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: First of all, the game is a great game. It's 652 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: not an easy game. It's a tough game, but it's 653 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: a great game. If it was an easy game, everybody 654 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: would do it. But everybody can't do it. But you 655 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: gotta be tough enough to do it. But the game 656 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: is a game that you learn a lot of valuable 657 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: life long lessons. And I spoke earlier some of the 658 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: lessons you learn how to get up after being knocked down, folks, 659 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 1: that's a lesson that you can take with you throughout life. 660 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: I had a junior high school guidance counselor God by 661 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 1: the name of mister Gil great inspirer in my life, 662 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 1: but I'll never forget. In junior high school, he told 663 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: us about three words that he thought would help us 664 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: in our lives, three words that he thought would help 665 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: us be successful. 666 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 2: And those three. 667 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: Words were desired, dedication, and determination. And I remember him 668 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: telling us that if we'd apply those three d's Desire, 669 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: you have to want something out of life. Dedication, you 670 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: must be committed to achieving that certain something. In determination, 671 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: you must be able to overcome the obstacles that might 672 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: somehow get in your way. I remember him telling us 673 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: that if we'd apply those three d's to anything that 674 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: we want to do, then we could always feel good 675 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: about ourselves. And we can feel good about ourselves because 676 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: if we use those three d's in essence. 677 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 2: What we have done is we have given a total commitment, 678 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 2: a total commitment. 679 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: And when you think about those three d's, when you 680 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: think about a total commitment, nobody can ask you to 681 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: do anything more, no matter what you're asked to do. 682 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: If you give a total commitment, nobody can ask you 683 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: to do anything more. So my challenge to those playing 684 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: the game is to make sure that when you go 685 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 1: out on the field, and when you leave that field 686 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: that you have given a total commitment. Remember those three d's, desired, dedication, 687 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: and determination. They all add up to be a total commitment. 688 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: So my advice would be totally commit yourself to being 689 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: the very best that you could be. 690 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 2: That's what it is for me. 691 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 3: Powerful. That's got Griffin right there, y'all. Griffin, if y'all 692 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 3: didn't know, now you know, and then you do know. 693 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 3: You know why you know because that's one of the 694 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 3: most special dudes to ever do it, not just on 695 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 3: the field, but off the field, the great Archie Griffin 696 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 3: of Ohio State. He's a part at first annual show 697 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 3: of Good in the game. We appreciate you coming on 698 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 3: og I mean, man, humbling, humbling. Now I can add 699 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 3: to my resume that I interview one of the goat 700 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 3: of goats. So thank you so much for making some 701 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 3: time for us and keep being you, man, because you 702 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 3: really inspire us. Man, you inspire so many people. Just 703 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 3: keep being you well. 704 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, Labar, Thank you for having me man. I 705 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: greatly appreciate that and always great seeing you. I was 706 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 1: so happy when I saw. 707 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 2: You at Rosebow. 708 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: That was a terrific man, so thank you, so very much, 709 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: appreciate it.