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We have 35 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: not had a chance to react to that yet, so 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: we'll be reacting to that at the tail end of 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: today's show. But we're going to be starting with that 38 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: massive deal from last night as McHale Bridges gets traded 39 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: from the Brooklyn Nets to the New York Knicks for 40 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: an absolute haul of draft compensations. So we're going to 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: get into every angle of those trades from every team. 42 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm excited to get into it. You guys are the 43 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: drip before we get started. Subscribe to the Hoops Tonight 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: YouTube channels. 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And the Knicks paid a lot four 54 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: unprotected first round picks, one protected first round pick, one swap, 55 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: and a second round pick, so by any measure, an 56 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: absolute haul of draft. 57 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: Compensation for McHale Bridges. 58 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: Now, the interesting piece here is I don't necessarily think 59 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: this is an accurate measure of where the market will 60 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: be this summer, mainly because I think a lot of 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: teams are going to be looking to trade some pretty 62 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: high quality players, and so that kind of shifts the 63 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: supply and demand dynamic. Right Like, go back to last 64 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: year's deadline, there just weren't very many players available, and 65 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: so it was kind of a seller's market. Guys were 66 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: waiting to get blown away with offers. It didn't really happen. 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: Right Like, this summer, I expect more player movement, and 68 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: I expect there to be more deals that are kind of, 69 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: let's just say, a lot less draft compensation than what 70 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: we just saw. I think the backstory here it's important 71 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: to keep in mind is the Brooklyn Nets are super 72 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: high on Michale Bridges. They loved him, They viewed him 73 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: as a franchise cornerstone. They did not want to trade him. 74 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: This is one of those situations where the Knicks basically 75 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: put Brooklyn in a situation where they couldn't say no. 76 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: They had to accept this incredible haul and pivot into 77 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: a rebuild, especially going into a really interesting draft next year, 78 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: because the Knicks just put too much on the table. 79 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: So was it an overpay? Yeah, technically yes, but this 80 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: is what it cost to get a player that's unavailable. 81 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: There are a lot of players around the league that 82 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: front officers are not looking to trade, but if you 83 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: call them and you offer just a ton of stuff, 84 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: you might be able to pry him away. And this 85 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: was a prime example of that. The Knicks knew they 86 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: wanted this particular guy. I think there's a very we're 87 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: gonna get into the basketball dynamics here in a minute, 88 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: but I think there are some specific reasons why the 89 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: Knicks really wanted McHale Bridges. I think they wanted a 90 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: functional plug and play piece. I didn't think they wanted 91 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: the risk of a higher powered star, if. 92 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: That makes sense. 93 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: And so McHale kind of fits that mold and just 94 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: kind of view as an easy glue guy that fits 95 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: the culture of the Knicks. 96 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: Right. 97 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: So there's a particular guy that they really wanted that 98 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: technically wasn't really available. This is something I was hearing 99 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: way back into last season. The Nets loved McHale Bridges, 100 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: they did not want to move him, and so the 101 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: Knicks just put it all on the table and they 102 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: were able to pull it off right and again, now 103 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: the Nets can pivot into a full rebuild from here 104 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: heading into a stacked draft. So is it an overpay, Yes, 105 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: but that is just what it cost to get a 106 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: player that a franchise did not want to trade. Now, 107 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: moving on to the fit with McHale Bridges on the Knicks, 108 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: I want to start on the offensive end of the floor, 109 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into a bunch of details here. 110 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: First of all, he's an excellent off ball player, excellent 111 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: spot up player. He was seventieth percentile or better in 112 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: points per possession converting spot up situations in twenty twenty one, 113 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and twenty twenty three. Had a little 114 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: bit of a down year last year he was sixtieth percentile, 115 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: just one point zero six points per spot up possession, 116 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: but the spacing was pretty rough in Brooklyn, and he 117 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: did still shoot pretty well in catch and shoot situations. 118 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: He was thirty eight percent on catch and shoot jump shots, 119 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: which amounted to fifty seven percent in effective field goal 120 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: percentage or one point one four points per shot, which is. 121 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: Still a really good number. 122 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: As far as on ball stuff, he struggles like one 123 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: on one with the defender squared up with him, but 124 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: he's actually a pretty solid off screen player, so he 125 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: gets zero point seven to two points per ISO when 126 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: he was shooting last year for Brooklyn. But in these 127 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: off screen numbers, they're he's not like amazing finny stretch. 128 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: But again, you got to look at this in the 129 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: context of the type of players he was playing with 130 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Coming off of screens. He was zero point 131 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: nine to four points per possession in pick and roll 132 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: including passes. That's not bad. That's pretty average, right, one 133 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: point one two points per possession when he shot coming 134 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: off of screens, that's a really good number. So, like, 135 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that when he's going against 136 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: kind of traditional coverages, right, like a defender chasing over 137 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: the top of the screen, and he's working against like 138 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: a drop coverage big or some sort of like traditional 139 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: screen coverage, he's actually really good at operating in that situation. Again, 140 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: he was asked to do a ton of shot creation 141 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: for Brooklyn. 142 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: Is that the ideal role for him? 143 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: No, So if you're like one of those guys that's 144 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: like looking at his numbers in Brooklyn and you're like, oh, man, 145 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: like you know, McHale Bridges is a pretty mediocre player, Like, yeah, 146 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: is he mediocre within the context of the star role, 147 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: meaning like the guy that's taking on a ton of 148 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: shot creation, the guy that you're depending on late in games, Like, yeah, 149 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: he's gonna un orwhelm you in some of those areas, 150 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: But there is real value to the experience that he 151 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: got in Brooklyn. He just spent two years or a 152 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: year and a half. He just spent a year and 153 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: a half pretending or pretending is the wrong word, but 154 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: practicing being that guy, right. And so as a result, 155 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: he just got a ton of repetition coming off of 156 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: dribble handoffs, coming off of ball screens, and just learning 157 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: how to operate and generate advantages for his team. And like, 158 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: I watched about one hundred of his most recent pick 159 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: and rolls in Dho's at the end of this last season, 160 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: and he's just gotten so much better at it over 161 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: the course of the last twelve months. Like he can 162 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: he can make the reads at a much higher level. Now, 163 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: he can hit the pocket pass when it's opening ball screens, 164 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: he can read the low man and make the skip pass. 165 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: He takes advantage of the simple reads that are available 166 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: to Like, this is something I've always appreciated about a 167 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: good pick and role player. Like you come off a 168 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: ball screen and a dude's helping down at the nail, 169 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: just throw the swing pass because that guy now has 170 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: a closeout opportunity. It's not going to be any different 171 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: than if you walk into the lane and throw some 172 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: super complicated over the top skip pass to the week 173 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: side corner. It's still a close out opportunity for an 174 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: offensive player. So like he'll come off those ball screens 175 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: and if he sees nail help, he'll just throw that 176 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: simple pass over to the wing. He's just become kind 177 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: of like a steady ball handler. 178 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: Right. 179 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: Again, not the guy that you want to have super 180 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: high volume on a great team, but these reps that 181 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: he got in Brooklyn are valuable for him becoming a 182 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: more versatile offensive player than he was when he was 183 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: in Phoenix. Right, this is where I want to talk 184 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: about the New York Knicks offense for a little bit, 185 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: and we're going to we're going to try a new 186 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: kind of like format here on the show today where 187 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to use like essentially a clipboard 188 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: to demonstrate some of these concepts. But like before we 189 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 1: go over to the clipboard, I want to talk a 190 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: little bit surface level The Knicks ran five out concepts 191 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: last year, but very much with a brute force finish. 192 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: So they would like set up in some like five 193 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: out kind of like sets to start possessions, but more 194 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: often than not it would end with like a cleared 195 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: ISO for Jalen Brunson, or a pick and roll for 196 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: Brunson with Isaiah Hartenstein, or a guard guard screen at 197 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: the top of the key. It's trying to attack a 198 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: weak defender that's guarding the other that's guarding like Dante 199 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: DiVincenzo or Douce McBride. You know, we saw a lot 200 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: of that Indiandiana Pacers series for instance, for instance. Right, So, like, 201 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: even though these are five out concepts for the Knicks, 202 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: it's been just a steady dose. 203 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: Of Jalen Brunson. 204 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: And one of the main reasons why that is is 205 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: in order to run real five out concepts, like to 206 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: get the biggest benefits of five out, which is ball 207 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: and player movement. Right, it's ball and player movement, it's 208 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: ball reversal, it's going side to side multiple actions in 209 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: the same shot clock right. In order to get that, 210 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: you need a certain amount of aggregate ball handling. You 211 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: need lots of guys on the floor that can run action, 212 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: lots of guys on the floor that can dribble, shoot 213 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: and pass. 214 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 2: And it's not that the Knicks didn't have that. 215 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: They had guys that were capable, but not very many 216 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: high level ball handlers, right, like the old the other 217 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: guy that was really handling the ball that much for 218 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: them was Dante DiVincenzo over the course that playoff front right, 219 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: And like again, Dante DiVincenzo, if he's your second best 220 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: ball handler, you don't have enough ball handling on the 221 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: floor to really capitalize on the ball in player movement 222 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: that you get out of five out sets. Right, If 223 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: he's your third or fourth best ball handler on the floor, 224 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: suddenly it becomes a more achievable goal. So I want 225 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: to get over to the I want to get over 226 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: to the clipboard here for a second so we can 227 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: talk about some of these concepts in more detail. So 228 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: what I have here is just a basic horn set, right, 229 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: and we're gonna leave view number one here as Jalen Brunson. 230 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: So like this is a typical five out kind of 231 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: start to a possession where what we would see the 232 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: Knicks do last year is we would essentially see Hartenstein 233 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: set essentially a cross screen for Brunson. He would come 234 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: off into this area and this would be like Josh 235 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: Hard or Dante de Vincenzo and then make an entry 236 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: to Jalen Brunson here at the elbow, and then these 237 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: guys would just clear out to the weak side. 238 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: And Brunson would just work in iso. 239 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: So it starts as like a five out concept, but 240 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: it would end in essentially a just an opportunity for 241 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: a brute force type of attack from Jalen Brunson. Or similarly, 242 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: they would have like Jalen Brunton start down here in 243 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: the corner and they'd have like a Horns type of 244 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: setup where essentially they would have you know, a post 245 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: entry here to Hartenstein and then Josh hart would come 246 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: down and screen, and then Brunton would come up and 247 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: Hartenstein would come up for the ball screen. He'd come off, 248 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: but then once again it would just turn into four out. 249 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: These guys would space to the corner. The Vincenzo would 250 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: be on the opposite wing above the brick. Now we're 251 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: just running Jalen Brunts and Isaiah Hartenstein two man game, 252 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: and it'd be like rescreen and rescreen and rescreen, and 253 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: they'd get what they'd want and it would just effectively 254 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: function as a brute force kind of four out attack 255 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: at the end of the possession in order to run 256 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: true five out. And what I'm looking at there is, 257 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: let's go back and set up in exactly what we 258 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: were at the start of the possession, like a horn 259 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: set is you want to be able to run multiple actions, right, 260 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: So if Jalen Brunson's here in the corner, and let's 261 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: say we just run more of like a Chicago action, 262 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: So like Josh Hart just makes the post entry here 263 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: to Hartenstegin and then Josh Hart sign down screens, Brunson 264 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: comes up, and then we run a dribble handoff. You 265 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: want to be able to flow into it so that 266 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: if this doesn't work and Brunson comes down and runs 267 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: into help, he can kick over here to Josh Hart, 268 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: Josh Hart can dribble down. Let's say this is Mikale Bridges. 269 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: Now McHale Bridges gets this dribble hand off, he comes 270 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: off Hartenstein flows over to this side of the floor 271 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: and sets another screen, and mchal Bridges comes into the 272 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: to the lane from this side, and maybe he draws 273 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: in some help and kicks to Jalen Brunston, and Jalen 274 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: Brunson could run a third action, or Jalen Brunson can 275 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: attack a close out. It's being able to have multiple 276 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: high level ball handlers so that you can flow from 277 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: each side of the floor and get the defense like 278 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: out of their strong side load up and into more 279 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: of like kind of chaos right as you go from 280 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: side to side. Doesn't even have to necessarily be horns. 281 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: You can imagine a situation where they're in more or 282 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: of like a pistol setup, where you've got guys on 283 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: both wings and you have the big kind of operating 284 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: out of the top of the key in Jalen Brunson 285 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: dribble handoff. Here comes Dante Devincenzo. Here comes a ball 286 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: screen for hart and signed Devincenzo gets into the lane. Oh, 287 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: there's Nail help. Let's kick over here to og annob 288 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: og Anobi dribbles down and hands it off to Mikail Bridges. 289 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: Mckel bridges comes off. Here comes Hartenstein to set the 290 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: second screen. Mckail bridges comes into the lane. There is 291 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: just much more ball in player movement that you can 292 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: accomplish by virtue of having multiple high level ball handlers 293 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: on the floor, and that, to me is what makes 294 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: this concept so fascinating. You have to have a certain 295 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: amount of aggregate ball handling. If you think of a 296 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: lineup with Jalen Brunson, McHale, Bridges, Dante DiVincenzo ogn Andobi 297 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: O j Anobi's your fourth best ball handler in that lineup. 298 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: If that happens, that's where you can achieve some of 299 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: the real upside that comes from five out offense. And again, 300 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: there's gonna be force elements to it. You're still gonna 301 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: have a lot of clearout ISOs for Jalen Brunson, You're 302 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: still gonna have a lot of ojan Andobi playing bullyballer 303 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: or Julius Randol if he's still there playing bullyball. It's 304 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: not that you can't get to that more often. It's 305 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: just there is something to be said about. I talked 306 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: about this a lot in my five Biggest Takeaways video 307 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: if you guys remember that I released earlier this morning. 308 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: One of the big things I talked about is I 309 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: am a big believer now in that every team needs 310 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: to be striving to run at least five out like 311 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: setups to start possessions, meaning like horn sets, like specific 312 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: actions at the beginning of possessions before you get into 313 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: your five out motion, just to give yourself more opportunities 314 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: to break the set defense that you're going against. Again, 315 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: when they're loaded up on the strong side and you 316 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: run a pick and roll, it just makes things really hard. 317 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: If you're running a ball screen on the third attack 318 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: of the possession and there's been switches and there are 319 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: guys that are out of position, and this guy's glued 320 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: up on the weak side because he just was defending 321 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: a guy running an action like that is where you 322 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: kind of loosen things up against the set defense and 323 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: give yourself easier opportunities. And to me, mckel Bridges is 324 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: not another brute for Star, He's another cog in a 325 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: more ball and player movement type of offense. And so 326 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: to me, like in short, I view Bridges not just 327 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: as an individual offensive upgrade, but as a massive increase 328 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: in the team's aggregate shooting, dribbling, passing ability that should 329 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: allow them to substantially raise their offensive ceiling. And to me, 330 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: that fit is just so easy. And that's before we 331 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: even get to the defensive end of the floor. Now, 332 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: mckail Bridges was a bit lazy this year in Brooklyn. 333 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: Big part of that was the scheme, though Nick Clackson 334 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: was a big who could switch, and in general they 335 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: had a lot of wings, and so what Brooklyn did 336 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: was just switch almost everything, and so mckaal Bridges didn't 337 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: have to fight over screens as often in Brooklyn as 338 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: he did in Phoenix. In Phoenix, though, I went back 339 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: this morning and watched a bunch of tape of him 340 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two with the Suns. He is so 341 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: good at getting over the top of screens. He has 342 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: amazing length to bother guards with back pressure. He's actually 343 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: really good in general at guarding, kind of like quick 344 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: perimeter players because he has the quickness to stay with 345 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: them and the length to bother their pull up jump shots. 346 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: He represents an archetype of defender that the Knicks just 347 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: simply didn't have before this trade. I view Ognanobi as 348 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: more of the big forward rather than the perimeter forward 349 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: in terms of what he can do defensively. Yes, he 350 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: can chase Tyres Maxie around and try his best. He 351 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: can guard on the perimeter better than most big forwards. 352 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: But ideally you want him battling with the big bully 353 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: ball forwards, right. You want him battling kind of against 354 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: the matchup attacking guy that tries to use physical strength 355 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: as an advantage. That's where Ognnoby can hold up really 356 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: well defensively. Ideally, you don't want him on the quickest guard. 357 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: You want him on the biggest scoring forward. And so 358 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: now you have a situation where if you can maintain 359 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: or if you can retain ogn Andoby this summer, you 360 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: have McHale Bridges to guard the opposing team's best guard, 361 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: and then you have Dante DiVincenzo to guard the opposing 362 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: team's second best guard. Dante de Vincenzo is an excellent 363 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: perimeter defender, right, And then you have Ognnoby to guard 364 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: the other team's best like big strong forward right. 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But he's a damn good basketball player. 390 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna be one hell of a 391 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: force multiplier. 392 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: In this team. 393 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna make everybody's job so much easier 394 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: by slotting people more properly. You're turning Dante de Vincenzo 395 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: into your primary perimeter defender into your secondary perimeter defender. 396 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: You're turning o Jananobi from a perimeter defender into a 397 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: forward defender, which is better. You're taking Dante de Vincenzo 398 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: from your second best shot creator and turning him into 399 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: your third best shot career. You're increasing the aggregate ball 400 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: handling and shooting ability of the team. There's so much 401 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: like in terms of just making the game easier for 402 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: every other player on the team that is achieved by 403 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: bringing mckaal bridges into this situation. And then lastly, the 404 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: Boston angle. To be the best, you have to beat 405 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: the best. Boston is going to have the same core 406 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: as they just won the championship with, and as we know, 407 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: Boston's a very different type of five out offense in 408 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: the sense that they don't have a ton of interchanges. 409 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: They will run screening actions, but they're more of a 410 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: driving kick. They're more like a space you out beat 411 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: you off the dribble and then play driving kick basketball. Right, 412 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: the Nets or the Knicks are going to be different 413 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: in the sense that Jalen Brunson and Jalen Brunson can iso. 414 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: But Jalen Brunson and Chaal Bridges aren't like straight line drive, 415 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: like toast you off the dribble type of guys, So 416 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: they're not gonna beat you with that driving kick type 417 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: of game. They're gonna beat you with five out player motion, 418 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: lots of screening actions, right, so. 419 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: Like they're different. 420 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: But defensively, to guard Boston, the job comes down to 421 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: containing in space. With Boston, you have to contain the basketball, 422 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: flatten out drives so you don't have to help as 423 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: hard so that you can bait them into pull up 424 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: jump shots instead of letting them get easy drive and 425 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: kick layups and catch and shoot threes. Right from there, 426 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: that's where your aggregate foot speed, your aggregate length becomes 427 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: an advantage. And again you imagine a lineup that has 428 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: Dante DiVincenzo, that has Mikael Bridges, that has og Andnobi 429 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson can slide his feet. You know, when you 430 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: have that much perimeter talent on the team, you can 431 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: actually do a better job of containing dribble drive teams 432 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: like the Boston Celtics. And so again, you have to 433 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: beat Boston in order to get over the top, in 434 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: order to get out of that Eastern Conference. This is 435 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: a move that not only improves the Knicks in the 436 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: grand scheme of the NBA, but is specifically a piece 437 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: that could help you with a Boston matchup. Now, would 438 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: I pick this Knixt team over Boston in a series 439 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: at this point, No, I think Boston's better than them, 440 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: but they are certainly a lot closer. And we will 441 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: see how all of this stuff gels together when they 442 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: get into training camp and we start seeing this group 443 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: play basketball together. So where do we go from here? 444 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: As we mentioned earlier, for Brooklyn, they pivot full rebuild. 445 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: You're hoping to get into the Cooper Flag sweepstakes as 446 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: we had into next season. Right, the reporting looks like 447 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: on the Knicks front that the Knicks are going to 448 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: prioritize og Ananobi over Isaiah Hartenstein. Now that makes sense. 449 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: Hartenstein is an awesome player, super valuable, and I think 450 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: the Knicks are going to miss him, especially in some 451 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: of their five out sets because Hartenstein was such a 452 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: good passer. He was a guy that in a five 453 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: out system his ability to read back cuts to function 454 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: as a dribble handoff guy, a guy who can roll 455 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: into the short area and make those floaters with his 456 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: left hand at such a high rate. He's a super 457 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: valuable offensive piece and the Knicks are going to miss 458 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: that if they end up losing Hartenstein. But I think 459 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: the overall increase in perimeter talent can go a long 460 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: way towards making up for that. And then again, I 461 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: think keeping og instead of Hartenstein is much more valuable 462 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: within the context of a matchup with Boston. With Boston, 463 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: you need as many of these long, quick wings or 464 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: perimeter players that can contain on the dribble as possible, 465 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: and so within the context of that specific matchup, I 466 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: think I'd rather have og Anobi than Isaiah Hartenstein, and 467 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: I do think that's the route to go if they 468 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: can only afford to keep one of them. Right, the 469 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: real question for the Knicks is where does Julius Randall 470 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: fit in all of this, And honestly. 471 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: He doesn't. 472 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: He's not a great read and react player, which makes 473 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: him a better fit in more of a brute force 474 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: system than in a five out system, but they might 475 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: also be able to play him at center in matchups 476 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: with Boston. Imagine if Mitchell Robinson just for whatever reason, 477 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: maybe against Boston switching he becomes a liability offensively, or 478 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: if he struggles with health or whatever, it may be 479 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: maybe a look where you put Julius Randall at the five, 480 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: because again Boston is not exactly a super physically imposing 481 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: front line, right, So like maybe in a matchup with 482 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: Boston you look at it as like a Julius Randall 483 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: at the with Og at the four, Mikhale Bridges, Donte 484 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: Di Vincenzo, Jalen Brunson. That is a really good, like 485 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: five perimeter player type of lineup that still has a 486 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: good amount of physicality and Ogn Andnobi and Julius Randall 487 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: on the front line. That would be an interesting kind 488 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: of card to have in your back pocket for a 489 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: matchup with Boston. But again it all comes down to 490 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: what his value is league wide, because if you could 491 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: flip him and get rid of Julius Randald and get 492 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: back functional players that can help you another center that 493 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: can run five out, maybe some depth at the guard position, 494 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: whatever it is. That's where if you have the ability 495 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: to make an upgrade using Julius Randall's salary, you have 496 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: to at least consider it, right, because I do think 497 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: the fit is a little clunky in terms of actually 498 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: trying to achieve real ball in player movement. So I'll 499 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: be interested to see whether or not there's any values 500 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: surrounding Julius Randall and if the Knicks look. 501 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: To move him. 502 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: But I don't really have an idea at this point 503 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: which direction that's going to go. But this is a 504 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: fun deal and I'm really happy for Knicks fans. This 505 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: is going to be a really fun team next year. 506 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: Obviously the Villanova connections run strong. We're going to be 507 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: covering the Nicks very closely next year. But hopefully that's 508 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: a quick synopsis of how I feel about the trade 509 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: and give you guys a better idea of the basketball 510 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: fit there. All right, let's talk Alex Cruso to the 511 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder. So this is a super interesting deal 512 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: on so many levels. I want to focus on kind 513 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: of the weird part first and then we'll get into 514 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: the part that makes a lot of sense to me. 515 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: So the weird parts it's bizarre to me that the 516 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: Bulls value Josh Gitty so much that they didn't ask 517 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: for any additional draft compensation in this deal. Like, Josh 518 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: Gitty is an interesting player, but he kind of has 519 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: to be on the ball to be effective, and he's 520 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: not good enough at being on the ball to be 521 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: a primary ball handler for a great team. 522 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: Right. That really is the issue in my opinion. 523 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: If I look at Giddy as the future version of himself, 524 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: He's got to become a better shooter. He's got to 525 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: become a better cutter, he's got to become a better 526 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: just functional off ball piece in order to make himself 527 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: be valuable as a secondary creator or a ter creator. 528 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: In order for his value to make sense. I just 529 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: think if you put the ball in his hands a ton, 530 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: you're going to be a pretty mediocre team at this point, 531 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: given some of his limitations, especially as a shooter. 532 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: Right. 533 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: So, like, I don't really understand the value there from 534 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: Boston or excuse me, from Chicago, but it's very clear 535 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: that the Bulls just valued Josh Gitty because they did 536 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: not ask for any additional draft compensation in the deal. Also, 537 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: like Alex Cruzoe seemed from some of the reporting to 538 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: be capable of fetching at least a good first round 539 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: pick in the market, So they looked at Giddy over 540 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: even first round draft compensation, which I think is fascinating. 541 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: Also on the Oklahoma City front, Cruso is a little 542 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 1: bit of a redundancy, right, Like, if you're looking at 543 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: the lineup for Oklahoma City, you imagine shay Jad dort As, 544 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: you're one, two three. When you think about what you 545 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: know Oklahoma City really needs to do to get to 546 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: the next level, you think about either a good, physical, 547 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: bruising center that you can slot Chet Homegren at the 548 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: four with, or a big, physical, bruising forward that can 549 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: keep Chet at the five. Right, You're looking for something 550 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: that can beef up the front court. So like going 551 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: for Alex Caruso, especially at a position where you already 552 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of have a plethora of talent, seems a little confusing. 553 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: So on the surface, the trade seems weird, But here's 554 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: why I love it for Oklahoma City. Obviously, it's a 555 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: discounted deal. You just traded a player that doesn't really 556 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: fit with the idealized version of what you are, especially 557 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, for a guy who has started games 558 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals for the team that won the championship. 559 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: Like he's one of the most highly regarded role players 560 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: in the NBA. I, as a Lakers fan, rooted for 561 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 1: this guy. I was devastated when Genie Bus let him 562 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: go simply because of money. It was one of the 563 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: many catastrophic mistakes that Genie Bus and the ownership group 564 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: of the Los Angeles Lakers have made over the course 565 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: of the last few years. I promise you Alex Cruzo 566 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: has always been this good. It's not something that just 567 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: happened in Chicago. He's been someone that I've really valued 568 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: and appreciated for appreciated for a really long time. And 569 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: it's un fortunate hit that he made his way to 570 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: Chicago to begin with. I promise you Thunder fans, as 571 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: long as he can stay healthy, you guys are gonna 572 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: love this guy. He's one of the very best perimeter 573 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: defenders in the NBA. He's a proven effective playoff role player. 574 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: But what's fascinating to me is like, if you actually 575 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: look at Caruso and the way you want him to 576 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: fit into a championship team, he's actually kind of better 577 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: when you keep him down around like twenty five minutes. 578 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: One of the main reasons why is this is a 579 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: guy who plays extremely hard all the time. That doesn't 580 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: say that you can't scale his minutes up if you 581 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: want him to close a big game or play thirty 582 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: two to thirty three minutes in a big playoff game. 583 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: It's not like Alex is not capable of that. 584 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: It's just that he is a guy that goes balls 585 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: to the walls the entire time that he's in the game, 586 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: and so keeping in that kind of twenty five minute 587 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: range is a way to get really good effectiveness out 588 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: of him in those twenty five minutes. Right, So the 589 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: Thunder shouldn't have too much of a problem carving out 590 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: a twenty five minute type of role for him, even 591 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: with the talent that they have already in the backcourt 592 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: with shay J. 593 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 2: Dubb and Lou Door. 594 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: Also, guys like Aaron Higgins are going to be a 595 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: free agent next year. You're eventually going to have to 596 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: pay him if you want him to stay on board. 597 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: You're eventually gonna have to pay case On Wallace in 598 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: the long run if he stays on board. Right, So, like, 599 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: if you can lock up Alex Cruso on an affordable 600 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: deal for four to five years. Then you can afford 601 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: to lose an Aaron Wiggins to restricted free agency. You 602 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: can afford to lose a case On Wallace in a 603 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: few years if you have Alex Cruso to kind of 604 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: fill that role as your first bench guard or bench 605 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: wing that comes in and guards the other team's best player. Right, 606 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Cruso is also a better fit within this timeline. This 607 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: team has real championship potential as soon as next season. 608 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: If they can get a high quality front court player, 609 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: I will be moving them into my top tier of 610 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: championship contenders. That's how impressed I was in general by 611 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City and how well they fared against the Dallas 612 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: Mavericks in that second round series, which by the way, 613 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: they were this close to winning. If they don't foul PJ. 614 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: Washington in the left corner in Game six, they're going 615 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: home for Game seven, which statistically speaking, goes to the 616 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 1: home team. That's not to say that it's a guarantee. 617 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: The MAVs might very well have gone into Oklahoma City 618 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: in one, but the thunder were very close to making 619 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: it to the conference finals, right, So like they're like 620 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: one piece away, and Cruso is a substantial piece, But 621 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: the biggest weakness of the team is that front court 622 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: athleticism and like and just kind of like, like, uh, 623 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: just someone that can just be a pain in the 624 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: ass on the glass. It was just kind of a 625 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: hard worker that just kind of solves some of their 626 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: dirty work issues on the front line. 627 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: Right. 628 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: If they get that type of guy, and you add 629 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: Alex Cruso to this equation, and you add a year 630 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: of experience, a year of the pain and suffering of 631 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: losing in that second round series painfully the way that 632 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: they did, that's a team that I think is a 633 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: top tier championship contender. So like Caruso fits within the 634 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: urgency of your opportunity to win right now. 635 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: Like he is a. 636 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: Veteran piece, he's thirty years old, he brings championship level 637 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: playoff experience. I love that fit. And so who's that 638 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: front court piece. This is where I want to kind 639 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: of tie everything back to the Brooklyn Nets New York 640 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: Knicks trade. So in the as a byproduct of the 641 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: New York Knicks trade, the reporting is that Isaiah Hartenstein 642 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: looks to be the guy that the Knicks may not 643 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: be able to retain. If Isaiah Hartenstein enters free agency 644 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City can. 645 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: Jump on him. 646 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: What a perfect piece that would be alongside Chet Holmgren 647 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: at the four Several reasons why I like this First 648 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: of all, in five out offense, as we talked about 649 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: it earlier for the Knicks, Isaiah Hartstein is just such 650 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: a good dribble handoff folkrum, such a good screener, such 651 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: a good backdoor passer, such a good roll man right, 652 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: such a good offensive reboundary. Does all of these things 653 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: that can really unlock a five out offense. He's also 654 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: just an absolute, an absolute star on the glass. This 655 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: dude can crash the offensive glass with the best of them. 656 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: He can clean up defensive possessions. If you put him 657 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: next to Chet Holmgren, you fundamentally alter the physical file 658 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: of your front line. Even next to Chet, you can 659 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: imagine running a high drop coverage where, and this is 660 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: a thunder team that likes to be aggressive, you can 661 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: put Chet as the lowman. Now you can put Hartensteign 662 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: on the other team's center. Hartenstein can come out high 663 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: in a drop coverage and be active with his hands. 664 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: Now Chet is the guy that is functioning as that 665 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: lowman who can help at the rim and ball screens 666 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: while also having the length to close to the corner 667 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: and contest corner shooters on skip passes. This would be 668 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: if the Thunder can get Isaiah Hartenstein. That to me 669 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: or a similar type of player, but Isaia Hartenstein, to me, 670 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: is my favorite kind of fit there. If they can 671 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: get Isaiah Hartenstein, I would put them in my top 672 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: tier of championship contenders. I would put them up there 673 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: with Denver and Boston. That is how good I think 674 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: this Thunder team can be if they beef up the 675 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: front court. All right, guys, that's all I have for today. 676 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: Only last thing I wanted to hit really quickly before 677 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: we get out. I cover Acolyte. Episode five came out 678 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: last night and it was just absolutely epic, just the 679 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: Sith Lord just cutting down a dozen Jedi. 680 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 2: It was amazing. 681 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: I broke that down, that episode down with my buddy 682 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: Luke on our two Sons podcast feed. 683 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: That's this podcast over here. 684 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: That's the one that I cover all like TV shows 685 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: and movies and stuff like that. We also hit House 686 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: of the Dragon episode two a couple of days ago, 687 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: so make sure you Guys, head over there. If you're 688 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: into non basketball content, we're gonna be back. If there's 689 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: another trade, we'll be back tonight, but if there's no trades, 690 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: we'll be back tomorrow morning to break down everything from 691 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: the NBA Draft. I would imagine over the course of 692 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: the next two days just a lot of reacting to 693 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: draft trades, and then we're gonna do a mailbag on Friday, 694 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: so don't forget to keep dropping mailbag questions in those 695 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: YouTube comments. All right, guys, that is all I have 696 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: for you guys today. I sincerely appreciate you for supporting 697 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: the show. We will see you shortly, depending on what 698 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: kind of chaos we see. 699 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: The volume