1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: An NFL player inherently is a good player, and so 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: it's what you do with that player they really count. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Chequars Broadcasting Week in Review presented by t 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: I A A Bank with Brian Sexton, John Oshan, Ashlyn 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: Sullivan and JP Shady. Chequars Broadcasting Week in Review pretended 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: by t I A A Bank starts right now. Hello 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: when Welcome to our brand new off season podcast, one 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: that has had a variation of names in the Here's JP. 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: I think that we introduced the crowd. J P. Shadrick, 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: you all know him well. John O'shan let's say you 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: know him pretty well, Ashlyn Sullivan uh, and the sign 12 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: Bryan Um. It's the Jaguars reporters. There's gonna be part 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: of the Jaguars Weekly Review, which has been a labor 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: of love for JP. UM. But here's what it's gonna be. 15 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: It's going to be a conversation about this football team 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: in the direction with their headed which is obviously exciting. 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: It's been a really long time. So first of all, everybody, 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: how are y'all task? Good? Good? Well? Was that we'll 19 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: go right into it. I said that I called Jaguard 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: this week, which is new, right, Um, I just made 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: that up on the Blood. So what's going on with 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: the Jaguards this week? Nothing? I shouldn't say that one. Uh, 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: but guys, we thought we might get an announcement of 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: the coaching staff this week, um, and we haven't had that. 25 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: We've all seen the names that have been out there, 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Ashlynd we talked earlier about some of them, you know, 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: Adam Schefter's reported and Rappaports reported. Um, you'll throw a 28 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: couple out there for folks. Yeah. The thing I've really 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: been paying attention to has been on the offensive side 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: of the ball. And obviously these are all reports right now, 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: nothing's confirmed. But the offensive coordinator Darryl Bevel and the 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: passing game coordinator, quarterback coach Brian Schottenheimer. The interesting thing, 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: and I think you guys will agree, is that both 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: of them are coming from previous stops the same position 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: with the Seahawks as offensive coordinator, and I think they're 36 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: kind of hired for two different reasons. I think Daryl 37 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: Bubble is that obvious fifteen years of experience in the NFL. 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: He's been with the Vikings, the Seahawks, the Lions. He's 39 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: been there, done that I think when Urban Meyer and 40 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: his introductory press conference says, I know what I don't know, 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: and I need guys around me that have been here before, 42 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: I think that's the obvious higher right there. But Brian Schottenheimer, 43 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: and this is kind of rare that I think the 44 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: star hire is a passing game coordinator, quarterback coach. But 45 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: this is a guy who took over in two thousand 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: eighteen with the Seahawks, and that was Russell Wilson's best 47 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: year of his career. This is the guy that has 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: coached up Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez, and with number one 49 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: overall pick most likely being Trevor Lawrence, Brian Schottenheimer is 50 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: going to be in Trevor Lawrence's ears. So Brian kind 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: of rare that that seems to me almost the slam 52 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: dunk higher right now? Well, and J P. John, I mean, 53 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: if if it is Bevil, if it is Schottenheimer, we're 54 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: talking about guys who have worked with some of the 55 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: best quarterbacks Russell Wilson. Bevil is probably best known for 56 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: his work with Brett farn Um Matt Stafford last year. 57 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a number of guys in this 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: list of guys who are being mentioned that bring a 59 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: quarterback pedigree to the table. What's a couple of thoughts 60 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: and and JP probably knows what direction I'm going. When 61 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: we were talking to Bucky Brooks earlier this week, he 62 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: mentioned that both of these guys, Bevil and Schottenheimer have 63 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: extensive experience with young quarterbacks, meaning Schottenheimer had his hands 64 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: on Mark Sanchez early in his career when Sante has 65 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: had great success with the Jets. Sanchez's career arc was 66 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: not necessarily what he hoped would be, but they got 67 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: to the playoffs early with Sante as a quarterback and 68 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: with Schottenheimer there, So there's a young quarterback element to it, 69 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: and there's also a balance. Bevil is known for the 70 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: running game and the Schottenheimer is known for the passing game. So, uh, 71 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: that's the balance you want. But I thought Slinn said 72 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: it best this whole staff. And now we get to 73 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: the defense in a minute. When Urban turns to somebody 74 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: and says, hey, I don't quite get this about the NFL. 75 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: He's gonna have guys who know it. Any thought that 76 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: people may have had in the second week of this 77 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: or the first week that he was hiring an all 78 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: college staff. That's not what this is. I'll add to 79 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: that a little bit here. The you know, remember when 80 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: Urban and his press conference said, a lot of people 81 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: say it's a quarterback league, Well, every league's a quarterback league. 82 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: It's a quarterback sport from peewee to college to high 83 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: school to the professional ranks. Well that meant. That meant 84 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: to me that these highers, the offensive coordinator and whoever 85 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: touches the quarterback position are the most important assistant coaches 86 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: on Urban staff. So he has to get those guys 87 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: right and have those guys that he can trust around 88 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: who we think will be Trevor Lawrence and whoever's backing 89 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: him up. Because if Urban's coming in and they have 90 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: the number one pick and it's a quarterback, they cannot 91 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: mess him up. They have to have the right staff 92 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: around him. So for me, no offense to the defensive 93 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: side of the football. Uh, these two guys, I think 94 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: the lynch pins to this coaching staff. UM. I was 95 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: in Kansas City in high school when Brian Schottenheimer's father, Marty, 96 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: was turning Kansas City around, and had a great appreciation 97 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: for the years that he spent with the Chiefs and 98 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: and because the Schottenheimer name has been associated with the Jaguars. Um. 99 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: You know, you probably saw the news that Marty has 100 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: been moved to hospice. He suffered from Alzheimer's for a 101 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: number of years. Um, just you know, thoughts and prayers 102 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: to the Schottenheimer family. Marty used to come down here 103 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: every year and take part in the Tom Coughlin Jay 104 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: Fund Gala and the golf tournament. And there wasn't a 105 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: miner man slash football coach that would sit and talk 106 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: anything you wanted to about football like he did. And 107 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: he could tell stories and he did, and and Brian 108 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: Schottenheimer has had a great career of his own polition, 109 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: Marty Schotenheimer is the eight most wins in NFL history. 110 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: So you know, as we as we're coming towards the 111 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: end of his run, UM the prayers for the Schottenheimer family. 112 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: He was a great one. So glad to that. If 113 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: I can go ahead and please do I've always thought 114 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: that Marty sotten first of all, Brian Schottenheimer and I 115 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: go way back. I'm sure they'll remember it well. I 116 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: once wrote a seven inch story on Brian Schottenheimer when 117 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: he transfers in Kansas to Florida. So I'm way ahead 118 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: of you all in terms of relationship with this guy. 119 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: But we're both old because unfortunately he was twenty at 120 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: the time and I was about twenty seven. Our ages 121 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: have gone up significantly since then. But in terms of 122 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer, maybe the most underappreciated, unfairly criticized great coach 123 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: of all time. Never got to the Super Bowl. But 124 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: if you look at his record two losing seasons in 125 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: his entire career, he won wherever he went. You know, 126 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: if Marty Schottenheimer was your coach, you were going to 127 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: be competitive, you were gonna be good. Um. It's amazing 128 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: to look at his last season. He was fourteen and 129 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: two and wasn't retained the next year. A the absurdity 130 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: that it was other stuff going on with that, but 131 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: he would. He was a great coach and should be 132 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer some day. I remember ten years 133 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: in Kansas City, bright you know this well, I mean, 134 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: and one regular season record, three division titles, seven playoff 135 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: appearances in ten years. That's pretty strong and a chief 136 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: franchise at the time that that hadn't been to the 137 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: playoffs since the seventies. And he turned it around. Um. 138 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: I just I watched him play at Blue Valley High 139 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: in Kansas City and remember being excited when Brian signed 140 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: with Kansas because we finally had a quarterback, and then 141 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: of course being disappointed when he left, so of course 142 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: he went to Florida. All right, Any thoughts on the defensive, 143 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean, for those of us who been around, and 144 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean just JP and John both know Joe Colin. 145 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: Um that's the name most widely reported. What a terrific 146 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: human being. I mean, a guy who had some personal 147 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: adversity in life overcome it in spectacular fashion. He's a 148 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: tremendous guy. And I'm really excited to see some of 149 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: the young coaches if the names that we're here in 150 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: the zach Ores of the world are coming on board. 151 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: Chris ash has been a name that I know you 152 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: guys have all read as well. Looks like they're putting 153 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: together a really dynamic staff on that side of the 154 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: ball too. Well. I'll talk very briefly about Joe, because Brian, 155 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: you put thank you were here three years with Joe. 156 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: I was here too, JP was here one. Um. He's 157 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: a great technician in terms of pass fresh coach I'm 158 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: sure he'll have his hands a little bit in uh, 159 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: Caleb on Chas and Josh Allen these guys, because he 160 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: won't be able to not He'll be over there in 161 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: individual drills coaching a little bit. But beyond all this stuff. 162 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: Think most people know about the off field stuff that 163 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: he's come back from. If not Google, we won't go 164 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: into it. But the thing that strikes you about Joe, 165 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: he's so ready for this opportunity, it's so overdue for him. 166 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: And what struck me about him, Brian and JP and 167 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: you guys can speak to this. His ability to be 168 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: tough on guys, to tell them things they don't want 169 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: to hear, but to still have them love him and 170 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: play for him. That's not always a thing that all 171 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: coaches can pull off. He can be tough on guys, 172 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: but I'll guarantee you no player we'll look back on 173 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: the time with Joe Colin and say I didn't love 174 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: playing for that guy. I think he is an absolute 175 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: home run higher for me. The next one is asked 176 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: the secondary coach, because who the heck is going to 177 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: be playing in the secondary next year? Right? I mean? 178 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: C J. Henderson, John, I think you and I and 179 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: Bucky talked about this the other day. Henderson's the lock. 180 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: They didn't draft him though. All these other guys are 181 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: either a few years in, some veteran players, a lot 182 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: of guys banged up. We know how many lineups they 183 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: had in the secondary. So in a passing league, obviously 184 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: in a passing conference in the a f C, the 185 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: back end is pretty important. So whoever is around those guys, 186 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: I think has to do a lot of teaching. There's 187 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of youth, a lot of new 188 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: back there, and I think you know, four or the 189 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: five positions are up for grabs on opening day. I'm 190 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: pretty excited about Daniel Thomas from the moment that he 191 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: got on the field in Houston until he left at 192 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: halftime against Pittsburgh. He was an impact player. So we 193 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about next week when hopefully 194 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: we do have a coach in the gap. Let's transition 195 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: to a segment that a lot of folks know as 196 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: big things, but it's a little different. On drive time 197 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: actually get of the big things and then the combat goo. 198 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: For this podcast, all of us came up with a 199 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: big thing of idea, something that's sitting on our minds 200 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: that we want to share, and so we're gonna start 201 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: with John and work our way through the big men. 202 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: In commentary, big thing number one from Let's well mine 203 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: was that defensive tackle is the trickiest and maybe the 204 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: most important decision in the off season. And when I 205 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: say that, obviously quarterback trump's everything else. But I don't 206 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: think quarterback is gonna be tricky, and I'm not sure 207 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be a huge decision. I think they're 208 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: going to sort of delay it and not tell everybody. 209 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: But you know, I think we all have an idea 210 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: that they might draft a quarterback. So defensive tackle, though, 211 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: is it is tricky for a number of reasons. It's 212 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: a harder position to fill this year because they won't 213 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: be taking the number one. Overall, it's not a great 214 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: year in the draft for it, and they may not. 215 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: I'm not sure they can fill their defensive tackle problem 216 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: in in one off season because of this. You can 217 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: sign maybe one big time free agent Leonard Williams is 218 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: out there, but beyond that, are there enough guys out 219 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: there available who can contribute immediately? Rookies are tough at 220 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: that spot. That's going to be a process trying to 221 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: figure out what they're going to do there, and if 222 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: they play three four then you need a different type. 223 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a fascinating area to watch me 224 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: a defensive tackle position because we all saw the run 225 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: defense the last couple of years. It's got to get better. Actually, 226 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: do you say, I think you gotta go get Leonard Williams. 227 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: This is the guy that's coming off the best year 228 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: of his career, eleven point five sacks, fifty nine tackles, 229 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: only missed two tackles last season, and link John said, 230 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: this isn't a big draft class for defensive tackle. I 231 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: think that's US slam dunk free agency. Get and I 232 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: think that's where you have to spend your money. If 233 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: if quarterbacks number one, defensive tackle is one point two 234 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: of problems that you have to figure out this year. Yeah, 235 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: and you know you have the cap room to go 236 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: get a Leonard Williams is gonna cost you twenty million dollars. 237 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: If Christian Barmore is there, the big kid from Alabama, 238 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: the JP can speak a little bit more too. You 239 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: can go a long way with Devon Hamilton's towards shoring 240 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: it up. But that's a massive contribution towards defensive tackle. 241 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to find out from the head coach 242 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: and Joe Colin, if he's the defensive coordinator, exactly what 243 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: they placed the value on JP. You want to weigh 244 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: in here, Well, all I know is that they got 245 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: run all over last year and they didn't have any 246 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: of those guys. So you better put some value on 247 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: it or they're gonna run all over you again, right, 248 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Derrick Henry is looking at his chops again, So, um, 249 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: do what you have to do and to bar more 250 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: or I think he came on strong later, Like he 251 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 1: wasn't a huge name you know, a year ago. This 252 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: was the season where he really broke out in some 253 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: big moments and it wasn't there wrongest defensive line they've 254 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: ever had there. They've had some big time names roll 255 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: through there over the last five six years or so. 256 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: But he has that that ability to move. I'm not 257 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: gonna compare him to Darius. That's a different that was 258 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: a totally different type of athlete. And when he was 259 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: coming out of college, the way he can move and 260 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: get up field at that time, Um, then he changed 261 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: his his career went on far Moore is a little, 262 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, bigger than that in the middle, but he 263 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: can still move. And I think that would be a 264 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: fine addition for this football team because you have a 265 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: young guy who can get up field, get to the quarterback, 266 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: stop the run, do the whole deal. May not be 267 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: as elite as that, you know, Darius level type thing, 268 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: but put him next to a veteran like Williams and 269 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: roll in the van and get the pass rushers going, 270 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: and let's see if we can get a lead with 271 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: those guys out there first. All right, what't you hold 272 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: a JP? Give us a big thing to what's on 273 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: your mind is well? The coaching staff has not been 274 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: announced as of the taping of this podcast. We've gone 275 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: through a few names, but uh, for me, the coaching 276 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: staff for Urban Meyer is all about trust. Who can 277 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: he trust? Who does he know? Who does he know 278 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: that recommended somebody that is an elite coach. Remember he 279 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,479 Speaker 1: also said Urban said, don't don't give me any recommendations 280 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: unless they're elite at every level of position. So that 281 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: means he trusts whoever is giving him the recommendation. So 282 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: I think that's what it's about. Because of his newness 283 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: in the NFL. As John mentioned a minute ago, you 284 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: need NFL minds around you, I think immediate minds around you. 285 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: Then you can fill in the rest with guys you've 286 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: known from the college level that can teach a certain 287 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: technique at the right way or or what what whatever 288 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: it might be depending on the position. But NFL minds 289 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: a mixture of that in college. But all of these 290 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: guys he has to trust because he's putting his reputation, 291 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: his name in those guys to touch the players directly. 292 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: So for me, and I think that's big with Urban, 293 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: not just and the coaching staff. I think that's with 294 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: around the building, the football team, anybody he crossed his 295 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: path with. It takes a little while to earn that trust, 296 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: but I think once you do, he's on your side 297 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: for a long time. You know, John, I think it's interesting. Um, 298 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: I saw what JP was talking about, and I'm sure 299 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: everyone did. When he hired Charlie Strong, Okay, a guy 300 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: who he knew who had had success at Louisville, not 301 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: quite as much of Texas, but a lot working with 302 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: Urban during his days in Florida, he trusts him. The 303 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: other one that made me go trust is when and 304 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: it's been reported that he's gonna keep George Warhopp is 305 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: the offensive line coach, and the offensive line, as we 306 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: talked about, has not gotten enough credit, and Warhopp in 307 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: particular for the way that they played. When when I 308 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: read that, I thought, Okay, this is about trust. He 309 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: trust the job that Warhop did right, and I certainly 310 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: trusted my eyes as to what I saw watching them 311 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: last year. Um, you know, I mean he is Warhops 312 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: probably guy he has not a lot of knowledge of, 313 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: and strongest guy he has plenty of knowledge of. But 314 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: as JP said, that all centers on what he's seen 315 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: and what he trusts. Yeah, the war Hoop. The thing 316 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: is fascinating because, as we've talked about, the perception between 317 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: the Jars offensive line had to actually play last year 318 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: was huge. They get criticized all the time. They were 319 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: so much better than people thought. Um, So I don't 320 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a huge transition there. It would 321 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 1: stand the reason that Warhop probably does not look at 322 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: these five guys he's working and say I gotta get 323 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: rid of all of them. So, um, I think we'll 324 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: touch on that more as we go forward. One thing 325 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: on trust that's very uh, telling to me NFL experience 326 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: all over the place, and guys that Urban clearly has 327 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: had relationships with, even if he hasn't worked with them. 328 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: But Chris asked Strong, there are guys on this staff 329 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: I think Urban, and the introductory press or said something 330 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: about he knows what it looks like when it's right. 331 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: He's bringing guys who have been with him from the 332 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: college level who will be able to translate Urban to 333 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: the positions, meaning these guys know what Urban wants it 334 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: to look like. There's plenty of those guys to go 335 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: with the experience level of the coordinators who haven't been 336 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: with Urban but know what the NFL is supposed to 337 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: look like. So that's clearly the formula going on here. 338 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: Slim Yeah, I agree, and I think trust is is 339 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: building before our eyes in this building. I really like 340 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: when he was having the interview with JP and he said, 341 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: I want to treat our players great, not good, and 342 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: building that trust within the locker room. I think there's 343 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: a lot of work with that right now. There's a 344 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: whole new system coming in and if you're a franchise guy, 345 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: you don't really know what that looks like. So it's 346 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 1: it's very obvious. The emphasis is on the players right 347 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: now and players first, and that's exactly how it has 348 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: to be. So you're kind of seeing how trust is 349 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: going everywhere through the coaching offices to the locker room 350 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: as well. You're up, I'm up, all right? Well, JP 351 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: sort of took this one. Yes, oh yes, Jp, It's 352 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: okay for this week. The secondary is basically going to 353 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: have to start over, and like JP said, the only 354 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: spot that it's a lock is C. J. Henderson. The 355 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: free agents right now in the secondary, d J. Hayden, 356 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: Sydney Jones, Josh Jones, Trey Herndon, Brian, I know you 357 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: love Daniel Thomas and you're seeing the the way that 358 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: he can definitely make an impact hopefully next season, and 359 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: maybe he's a starter. But other than that's you basically 360 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: need a starting corner and a starting safety. I know, 361 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't know about Trey Herndon. I mean, I think 362 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: maybe you can make an argument for that, but overall, 363 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: I think you need two spots right now, and that 364 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: position as a whole needs a complete overhaul. I always 365 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: thought Herndon was better in the nickel than he was outside. 366 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: I thought his skill set was more suited to that. 367 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: I really like what I saw from Thomas. I also 368 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: like JP and John and I know I mentioned it 369 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: to both of you. I like what we saw from 370 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: Sydney Jones before he went down. I mean, that's a 371 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: guy who was thought to be a first round pick 372 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: before the serious injury about two or three months before 373 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: the Combine his senior year in Washington. I'd bring him back. 374 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna go get somebody, whether it's free 375 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: agents or the draft, but I'd bring Sydney Jones back. 376 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: I thought he had some ability. Yeah, what you don't 377 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: know about Sydney and and I don't know, but his 378 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: serious injury a couple of years ago was achilles. Well 379 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: that's what kept him out the last six or seven games. 380 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: That can be a brutally serious injury that you don't 381 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: come back from. I don't know that that's what's going on, 382 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: but that would be the concerns. You certainly saw flashes 383 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: out of him. What's going on with that has to 384 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: be something they find out obviously before any of that happens. 385 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: You know, I'm with slin and you know, I assume 386 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: because of the draft status that C. J. Hendersons guy 387 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna build the secondary around. But I'm assuming based 388 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: off seven games that were frankly not very consistent. Um so, 389 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: and he's got to stay healthy and that, you know, 390 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: he has to be a significantly better, more consistent NFL 391 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: player than he was last year. So when I chose 392 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 1: mine at the beginning of this which was defensive tackle, 393 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: I sort of held my breath a little bit because 394 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: the reality is, as much as they need defensive tackle, 395 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: secondary is a big, big deal, and they either need 396 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: to fill out of holes or have a lot of 397 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: guys performed better than they did last year. One of 398 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: the two has to happen. Ain't there Okay, a linebacker? 399 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: Beyond that the defense, there is a lot of building 400 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: to do. JP. Yeah, just following up on the Henderson stuff, right, 401 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, John, what seven games? He played? 402 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: His best game was his first game and Philip threw 403 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: him the ball and he got the interception, and Philip 404 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: rivers like I know the guy. I don't. I don't 405 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: know Philip from Alabama that we're actually the same age, 406 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: same class in high school. How about that we went 407 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: different paths somehow. I don't know what happened, but um 408 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: but after that it was it was wildly inconsistent. And 409 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm curious how much of that was above the shoulders 410 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: with him too, first year in new environment. How is 411 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: he working through things? Um, we'll see what this offseason 412 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: does for CJ. We're in mock draft season and I'm 413 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: seeing a bunch of people throwing out J. C. Horne, 414 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: the South Carolina quarterback, and I'm curious what happens if 415 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: that is the case where they take him five? Can 416 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: you trust a C. J. Henderson and then a number 417 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: another number one, a first round pick on the other side, 418 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: I wonder that long way to go. As you all know, 419 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: the draft is about value, and we'll figure out where 420 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: the value is, whether it's corner of defensive tackle. Hey, 421 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: my big thing quickly is to eight plus one. You 422 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: know the Jaguars, the Jaguars. The NFL has done an 423 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: amazing job. Jaguars are part of that at getting to 424 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: this point two eight games under their belt, one more 425 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl on Sunday. If you saw the story 426 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: read this week about the barber and Kansas City, Uh, 427 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: there was a barber that came in and we're gonna 428 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: do air cuts and the first two or three had 429 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: gone before Kansas City's uh you know medical training team 430 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: came in and changed the dynamic and moved them out 431 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: because it tested positive. The starting center Daniel Kilgore, um 432 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: is not going to practice with the team all week 433 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: and go to play in Tampa on Saturday in Sunday's game, 434 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: travel with the team on Saturday. UM just shows you 435 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: just how precarious it was. And the NFL went to 436 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: great links. There a phenomenal story in the Wall Street 437 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: Journal earlier in the week about thirty two Microcosms, thirty 438 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: two research labs, and how the NFL was always willing 439 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: to be nimble and change their protocols and adapted adjustin 440 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, late in the year, they moved everyone to 441 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: those intensive protocols and kept everybody at home, you know, 442 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: the maximum amount of time and the minimum amount of 443 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: time together. When you look at college football, the NBA, 444 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: UM hockey, you look at it, almost the others four 445 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: that was out there participating games were canceled, not rescheduled. 446 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: They had to adapt there to be where they are 447 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: right now on the customer. The two and sixty nine 448 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: and final game of the season is downright remarkable. It 449 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: really is. Yes, it is. I go back to August 450 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: and we thought, are we even going to play football? 451 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: And news splash, they did. Yeah. Alan Sills the chief 452 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: medical officer um the league. You know, he's in charge 453 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: of the infectious disease group up at Duke. Um. I 454 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: didn't think they could do what I in FT I 455 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: said that everybody here, uh you know, funckle up. It's 456 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: gonna be a wild ride. We'll see if they have 457 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: to have an asterisk at the end of the season, 458 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: and at this point they really don't need to. They're 459 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: gonna get them all in. Yeah, it's gonna be a 460 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: weird um. It's going to be interesting to me to 461 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: see how this season is remembered. There's a there's a 462 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: disconnect to it, I think because you haven't had fans 463 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: in the stands. And I'm sure if disconnected the right word, 464 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: but it's almost been weird. How like Kansas City has 465 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: got a chance to repeat in Kansas City has a 466 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: chance to who have won twenty six out of twenty 467 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: eight games. They're just start to get into the conversation 468 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: of all time great runs here. You really don't hear 469 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: it that much. And I don't even know what I'm 470 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: getting at But it's almost like, because there's not fans, 471 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: because it's such a weird environment, people aren't quite talking 472 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: about that storyline. I don't know if that's the reason 473 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: or not, um, but it'll be interesting to see how 474 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: it's remembered because there weren't fans in the stand all 475 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: of that. I have no idea what the answer to 476 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: that is. To Brian's point, it's incredible that they got 477 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: this in. You still hear some sort of naysay are saying, well, 478 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: they they didn't do this, or they didn't do that, 479 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: whatever they didn't do, they pulled off something that nobody 480 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: thought they were going to be able to do. The 481 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: other league would love to have their record. Oh absolutely, 482 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: you kidding me. I mean, that'sked the Big ten, what 483 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: they had. What happened this year, right, I mean they 484 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: they put it off, got it back on. They had 485 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: a champion with six games, right. I mean, that's you'll 486 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: talk about an asterix, that's an astric right, And that's 487 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: a different level and kids and all that. But that's 488 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: that's the total difference of what happened in the NFL. 489 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: They put the plan together the best they could. There 490 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: were some hiccups earlier in the season, they fought through them, 491 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: and now there's one really important game left and it 492 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: feels like they're gonna get through it. And then the 493 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: trick is what's next after that? What does the offseason 494 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: program look like? Is that going to be allowed this 495 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: year or is it going to be a mixture of 496 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: what we had last off season? And we've got plenty 497 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: of time to discuss that, but let's get through the 498 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: Super Bowl first. Well, we'll just leave it with this 499 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: idea that the NFL had an amazing amount of research 500 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: done down to genomic testing where they could see the 501 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: different variants in the Baltimore Ravens organization in November when 502 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: they were having trouble getting onto the field, and they're 503 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: going to share that with the CDC and the government. 504 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: So the NFL not only got a season in, but 505 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: they provided a lot of research for people to battle 506 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: bugs just like this. All right, let's move into our 507 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: next segment again. A little variation we always had on drivetime, 508 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: Ashman asked. At one point, it was JP asked when 509 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: he was filling in. Uh, this time, we're gonna ask 510 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: a question and everyone's gonna answer. Each person has a 511 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: question that they brought to the table and we are 512 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: going to go through it. And just for fund j P, 513 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: let's start with you. What's your questions gonna do? Okay, well, 514 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: we kind of touched on one of these positions of 515 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: a moment ago. But what is the greater priority for 516 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: the Jaguars in free agency? Left tackle or defensive tackle? 517 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: And I'll continue the question with a little more talking. 518 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: I guess obviously, if you're gonna have a quarterback, you 519 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: want to keep him up right, asked the Colts that. 520 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: And we've already gone through the issues on the interior 521 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: of the defensive line. So in free agency, what's the 522 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: greater priority? I'll go first. I think it's defensive tackle. 523 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: Uh you know you guys remember I've favored Leonard Williams 524 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: instead of Dante Fowler, and neither one of them have 525 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: let the world on fire, but both have been really 526 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: good at various times in their career. I would say 527 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: Leonard Williams, I think you could keep Cam Robinson on 528 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: the franchise tag and you could have some consistency. I 529 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: also think there's some offensive tackles that will be there 530 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the first round. Top of the second. 531 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: Lenond Williams is a huge run stuffer. Um, he had 532 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: a great season rushing the past her I'll say defensive tackle, 533 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: you think Slynn? I agree with Brian. I think with 534 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: left tackle and Cam Robinson, I think if you are 535 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: an above average left tackle, you're going to get the 536 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: franchise tager get resigned. And that's what Cam Robinson is. 537 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: He's been inconsistent and I don't think that we're all 538 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: going to agree that he's definitely deserves this big, huge contract. 539 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: But I'd like to see Cam Robinson maybe with some 540 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: competition in training camp. Maybe you address the offense of 541 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: line in the draft, but absolutely the bigger need is 542 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: defensive tackle and free agency because you have a piece 543 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: you have Cam Robinson. Yeah. I'm holding my tongue for now, John, 544 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: go ahead, Okay, So the question is in free agency 545 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: defensive tackle or offensive tackle? Please pay attention left tackle 546 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: or defensive tackle. What's the bigger priority in free agency? 547 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: I was just trying to make sure that it was 548 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: free agency and not just overall. So um, and I'll 549 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: be honest, I was scrambling trying to remember my question. 550 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: So I'm back. I'll give it to you can't. I 551 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: got uh and uh. I'm excited about my question. So 552 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm a little distracted. But that's I think in free agency. 553 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: I agree with you guys because of the draft. Defensive 554 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: tackle I think I think has to be now. They 555 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: may have somebody in mind that they think it's going 556 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: to be a fine in the draft, but the draft 557 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: is so uncertain they've got to get that fixed. So, um, 558 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: unless they see something in some player is that we're 559 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: not seeing, then I think defensive tackle, maybe even two. 560 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: You might even see a big, big, big time guy 561 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: and then a second guy coming in because they need debt, 562 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: they need stoutness, they need bodies, So I'd be surprised 563 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: the defensive tackle isn't isn't the number one signing. One 564 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: final thought, I was cringing because of the Cam Robinson 565 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: talk here and I like Cam good dude, But did 566 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: he play at a contract year level this year? If 567 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: that's what you get out of Cam Robinson, what should 568 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: be his best season? Are you gonna pay him twelve 569 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: million on the franchise tag and get twelve millions? Twelve 570 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: million is less expensive than the twenty million it would 571 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: cost you to go get Trent Williams, who's the number 572 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 1: one name in free agency? But I think you can 573 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: have then you have a left tackle you can really 574 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: rely on for three years. Yeah, well that's the other 575 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: argument question. It's a deep tackle draft too, So it's 576 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: a great question. And I think they talk about a 577 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 1: lot all of you go checkbook and treating Sean Coms 578 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: checkbook like it's your parents. N give us your question 579 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: now that we know that you'd like to spend money. 580 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: Alrighty is the office? Gosh right into cam Robinson's transition 581 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: is the offensive line? Okay? The way it is when 582 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: you're going to make the investments of a number one 583 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: overall pick at quarterback? John, what are you thinking? Um? Exactly? 584 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: As is probably not? You know, I think you've got 585 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: to do something to get your tackle play better, John 586 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: Taylor and Camra Robinson. I'll press it by saying this, 587 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: when you trail as much as the Jaguars did offensive 588 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: tackle play, had they been Pro bowlers trailing as much 589 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: as the Jaguars did, it would have been miracle because 590 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: it's it's brutally impossible to play that position. That said, 591 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: there were key moments where they would both tell you 592 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: they can come through, so I think you've got to 593 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: figure out a way to get that better. If they 594 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: believe the scheme they're gonna use, and Warhop believes experience 595 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: will help those guys, then fine. Uh. I think they 596 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: probably tweak it and and that could mean tweaking left Hackle. 597 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: I think the interior is fine. I would bring back 598 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: Norwell Lender. Can those guys all played well? I don't 599 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: know if cap wise they'll do it, but I could 600 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: see that being the change you make the lynch pin here? 601 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: To me, how do they feel about Camera Robinson? That's 602 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: not news obviously, but how does Warhop really believe in 603 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: this guy? What is he going to tell urban about 604 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: the future of Camera Robinson? That to me is a 605 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: crucial conversation. I think A. J. Cann had his best year. 606 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: There's a pro If you ask the folks who would 607 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: really know the technical part of that, I think they'd 608 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,479 Speaker 1: agree with that too. Lender has been banged up throughout 609 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: his career. That's his only really downfall for me, like, 610 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: is he reliable enough to stay out there and continue 611 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: to keep paying him like that? And you have Shatley around? 612 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 1: I guess right, I mean he's still here he's you know, 613 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: I mean, if you really need somebody to snap right, Um, 614 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: and then Andrew Norwell, Uh we we could. We've talked 615 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: about him over and over and over again. I remember also, 616 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: not that it matters now because it's so far down 617 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: the line. When Urban showed up in Columbus at Ohio State, 618 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: Norwell was going into his junior year. So the last 619 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: two years of college, Norwell was under Meyer and had 620 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: two of his best years before he left Ohio State. 621 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: That was under Urban a long time ago. So going 622 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 1: back to the trust thing, it may not matter now 623 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: because it's so far down the line, but it doesn't 624 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: hurt Norwell's cause I'll say this, they kept war hoop 625 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: if if that's accurate, for a reason because they thought 626 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: the offensive line played well. Um, I think it's good enough. 627 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you can't you can't fix everything even 628 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: with a let draft picks this year, But you can 629 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: go grab you know, a tackle at thirty three. You know, 630 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: somewhere with their first picks of the second round, there'll 631 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: be a young tackle that you can groom. And twelve 632 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: million is a bargain price for a left tackle. You'll 633 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: pay a whole lot more than that, so I would say, yeah, 634 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: they're fine for this year. Uh, I'd like to see 635 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: him draft one and start thinking about the future. I 636 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: agree with that, and I hate to bring up low 637 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: hanging fruit, but I'm going to use the Cincinnati Bengals 638 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: as an example of drafting Joe Burrow number one overall 639 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: and not addressing the offensive line until the sixth round. 640 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: And I will say the Jaguars offensive line is much 641 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: better than the Bengals were last season, but that Bengals 642 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: offensive line needed work, and they still just went ahead 643 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: and investment in Joe Burrow, and we all saw what happened. 644 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: So I think at least you got to really think 645 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: about it, and I think maybe make a few changes 646 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: to ensure that investment is here to stay. All right, 647 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: John you're up, Uh my question. And I do remember 648 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: it was how many years the Jaguars from the super 649 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: Bowl and it's uh, you know, I would guess that 650 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: your three, you know, and using Jimmy Johnson Dallas Cowboys, 651 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: which everybody's using this as as a comparison. Uh, they 652 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: went one in fifteen first year, nine and seven the 653 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: second year. Um, I'm getting this right it and then 654 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: we're in this and we're in the super Bowl by 655 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: his third or fourth year. It can be done that quickly. 656 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: I think the big advantage this team has with this 657 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: is I don't want to say the rosters is is 658 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: deeper than people think, but there are more stars and 659 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: less key positions to fill than people believe, Meaning they 660 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: don't have to go out and get an elite pass rusher. 661 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: I think they have it and Josh Allen, d J. Charking, 662 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: the viscustion Al James Robinson, John Taylor. I think all 663 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: these guys still have the potential to be really good. 664 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: I C. J. Henderson is another guy has a chance 665 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: to be a number one corner. He should be a 666 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: number one corner based on his draft status. Those guys 667 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: have to be as good as we think they might be. 668 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: But if they are, there aren't necessarily these huge key 669 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: positions to have to fill. Maybe left tackle, maybe an 670 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: additional receiver. But it seems to me like a lot 671 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: of this is about filling depth to get to the playoffs. 672 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: I'll say three, and I will use the Mahomes Kansas City. 673 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: He wasn't a starter his rookie season. He went to 674 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: the ANC Championship Game his second season and they went 675 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and they wanted in his third 676 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: if Trevor Lawrence, and I'm just going full I'm not 677 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: not even guessing that they would do anything different. It'll 678 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: be Trevor Lawrence. So I'm gonna refer to him as 679 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence their quarterback UM until he's not. So Trevor 680 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: Lawrence is what we think he is. I send your three, 681 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say to I'm gonna add some drama, some 682 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,479 Speaker 1: spice to the mix. I think if, like John said, 683 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of franchise guys right now that you 684 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: can build around if they are as good as they are. 685 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 1: And we are seeing the excitement building around Trevor Lawrence 686 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: with these players, with the guys that are on the 687 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: Jaguars right now, I think you're gonna get the most 688 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: out of DJ chart out aliviscation. They're gonna buy into this. 689 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: And we've seen when this team is juiced up and 690 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: effort is a percent, this is a really good football team. 691 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with two. Why not, I'm going 692 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: um four to five because it's not just the Super Bowl. 693 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, when are they going to be ready to 694 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. When are they gonna 695 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: be ready to beat whatever the Steelers are in four years? 696 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: They might not look the same the Ravens, some of 697 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: these elite A f C offenses. The Chargers by that 698 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: point actually be good. By the way Buffalo Bills, my goodness, 699 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: that that looks set up to be going for a while. 700 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: So you have to be ready to beat those teams 701 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: in January or you can forget the super Bowl. So 702 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: I think it takes a little bit longer to mesh 703 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: all of this together, all these new faces and things. 704 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: And they might get close. They might be in the playoffs, 705 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: they might make them a run, and but it's not 706 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: that easy to go out there and run against the 707 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs in January. Yeah. Absolutely, So Shelynn went 708 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: to JP went four, we went three average. We'll say 709 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: it's three year on average, and we'll see where it goes. 710 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: All right, here's my question quickly, Um, can the Jaguars 711 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: in a division that has some turmoil? Right? You know 712 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: what's going on in Houston with the Shawn Watson that's 713 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: not in good shape. They also have their over the 714 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: cap and they don't have a lot of draft capital. Um, 715 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford in in Indianapolis would worry me. Now all 716 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it looks like the Colts are gonna 717 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: have to, you know, pull a rabbit out of their 718 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: hat at quarterback to take advantage of their roster, which 719 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 1: we all know is very talented. I think the division 720 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: still belongs to the Titans. Of the question is can 721 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: the Jaguars next year go to second place in the 722 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: AFC shall Yeah? Why not? Right? I mean if it's 723 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: by default, who cares? Right? I mean, you're still second 724 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: place to the NFC South and the other teams stink 725 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: worse than you do, then okay, well your second place. 726 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: So I think there will be improvement anyway for this team. 727 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, the teams at the top, especially in Tennessee, 728 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: they've got everything kind of going like they have it going. 729 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: That will be hard to top. I think in the 730 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: short term. I think long term they can. They can 731 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: overrun those guys too. But with Gus Houston's just the 732 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,439 Speaker 1: headlines out of there. There's offseason already. My goodness, that's 733 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 1: a that's a struggle. And then with the quarterback question 734 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: in Indy, what's gonna happen there? They do have other 735 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 1: pieces there that'll be the one for me. Can they 736 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: overtake the Colts because it feels like they're gonna bring 737 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: in another veteran guy maybe to come fill in, because 738 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: pretty much the rest of that team is ready to 739 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: roll to Flynn. What do you say, she's got him 740 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: going sixteen and oh next year, so they're gonna go 741 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: to true? John did not say sixteen and oh, stop 742 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: making rumors up. I'm gonna say they're not going to 743 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: be the last and that's all that matters, because the 744 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 1: Houston Texans will be last because oh my gosh, what 745 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: is going on there? All right? John? You want to 746 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: wrap us up? Yeah. I don't know that they'll get 747 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,439 Speaker 1: out of the cellar this year. Um. I think they 748 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: will because of the problems in Houston. And I don't 749 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: say that as a knock on what's going on. I 750 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: think the direction is right. Um, it can take a 751 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 1: little longer that first year than everybody likes. So I'm 752 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: gonna say that they get out of it. It's rockier 753 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: this year than people think. I generally like what Slann's thinking. 754 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: I think the second year of this is gonna be 755 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: when you see the rockets on the jet pack so 756 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: to speak, and you see it really take off. Um, 757 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: the first year of it can be more of a 758 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: learning curve. Then it feels like when you're talking excitedly 759 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: in March. So I'm gonna say, rockier than people expect. 760 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: Third place this year and then winning the division in 761 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: the second year of this. I'm not going sixteen, but 762 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's the process, the path. 763 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 1: It feel like the old that I'm from West Palm. 764 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: He just makes things up and rides with it. Everything 765 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 1: from West Palm. From West Palm, he makes everything up. 766 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,240 Speaker 1: No one listen to what he says. All right, folks, 767 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: that's that's everyone asks. So we'll see where that line 768 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,879 Speaker 1: of question goes in the future. Uh well, transition one 769 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: final time to a segment that for now we're gonna 770 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: call did you hear this? And at Harkins to where 771 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: what JP has worked on in this space with some 772 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,959 Speaker 1: of the best of the broadcasting department over the course 773 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: the week. In Schlenn, you've got this one from your 774 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,919 Speaker 1: trip to will Bill last week, Yes, sir, and John 775 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,439 Speaker 1: and I went to Mobile, Alabama to cover this Senior Bowl. 776 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: It is a glamorous place in a little difference because 777 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen. There wasn't a lot of people there, 778 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: but one guy that was there with Sports Illustrated Albert Brier, 779 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: who has been all over the Urban Meyer higher tweeting, 780 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: writing articles, seems very knowledgeable about the situation. And one 781 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: thing that struck out to all of us during Coach 782 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: Meyer's introductory press conference is he was very passionate when 783 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,959 Speaker 1: he said, I don't point fingers at players. I look 784 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 1: at my coaches. And that's one thing that Alber Brier 785 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 1: said has been sticking with urban Meyer his entire coaching career. 786 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: For him, I think it's a belief that like an 787 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: NFL player inherently is a good player, and so it's 788 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: what you do with that player that really counts. And 789 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: I think that part of it is so interesting because 790 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: it's going to be a focus on player development. It's 791 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: going to be a focus on what the coaches can do. 792 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: And I think you know one thing you're going to 793 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,479 Speaker 1: see ultimately, and I certainly noticed this at Ohio State, 794 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: that coaching staff is gonna take accountability for it and 795 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: they're not gonna be pointing the figures of players, and 796 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: it's it's going to be if you can't develop them, 797 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: then we're gonna find somebody else who can do it. 798 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: So I think that that is what's really interesting about 799 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the research that he did is that 800 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a focus not only on drafting the 801 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: right guys, because the Jacks obviously have a lot of 802 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: draft capital, not just signing the right guys, they have 803 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: a lot of cap space. It's also going to be 804 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: turning the players who are in their building already into 805 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: Urbans type of guys. And John, I know you're pretty 806 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 1: knowledgeable about this situation as well, and it was interesting 807 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: to hear what Albert Brier said about this because I 808 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,760 Speaker 1: think at times that's kind of lost with coach Meyer 809 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: and the way that he holds his coaching staff accountable. 810 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: And maybe that's why this is taking longer than usual, 811 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,240 Speaker 1: is he's really building this coaching staff up to first 812 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: it's coaches than it's players. Yeah, and I've heard that too. 813 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: I've head different people talk about how long it's taken. 814 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's been about three weeks hiring the coaching staff. 815 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 1: It's taken a long in the sense that it's not 816 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: all announced yet, but he's got his coordinators he's got 817 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: his staff. I think they're trying to nail down the 818 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: last couple of things. So I think it's more logistics 819 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: of how the team is announcing it than anything. But 820 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 1: it strikes me just from studying and listening to Urban 821 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: a little bit, I haven't actual chance to talk to 822 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: him face to faith. I don't think any of us 823 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: have the whole holding coaches accountable. All goes back to 824 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: the playing fast. He wants players out there not having 825 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: to think as much as possible, playing as fast as possible. 826 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: If they make a mistake, don't worry about it. So 827 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: I think that's where he's coming from in terms of 828 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 1: he's going to blame the coaches. You've got to get 829 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 1: these guys playing fast, not worrying about mistakes. If they 830 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: make a mistake, it's on you, it's not the player. 831 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 1: That sounds like a very intriguing philosophical approach to me. 832 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: Will it work in the NFL where things are a 833 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: little more complex, Uh, that's what's going to remain to 834 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: be seen. I think that would be a major storyline 835 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: of this team and this whole concept of Urban Meyer 836 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: bringing his philosophy to the NFL game. Alright, folks were 837 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: wrapping it up on a Friday. On that note, hold on, 838 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: I must say, by the way before we go, Okay, 839 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: I was born in Mobile, Alabama. There for five years 840 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: when I was really young, and we moved away. I 841 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 1: went back for a number of years for baseball series 842 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 1: as an opposing broadcaster, and I've been back numerous times 843 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: now for the Senior Bowl and I drive through their 844 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: all the time, vacations and all that. This is the 845 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: first time I've ever heard Mobile called glamorous. So Mobile 846 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: tanks you Mobile. Thanks you. Actually, I don't know if 847 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: you caught my sarcasm, but it's not glamorous for the 848 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: girl from west Ham Mobile. Yeah alright, alright, folks, getting 849 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: used to it. This is a rig. This is a 850 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 1: regular on your podcast, Our Routeen whole fully uh j P. 851 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: John Ashlin, thanks so much. It was fun. We'll do 852 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,760 Speaker 1: it all again next week and we'll have a super Bowl, 853 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: hopefully at coaching staff we talk sounds good, well, thank good, 854 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: good night everybody, or a good day depends on when 855 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: you're listening.