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Speaker 1: like to give the shout outs to to the fans.

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Speaker 1: And literally, I would say in the last eight nine months,

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Speaker 1: eighty percent of the cameos I'm doing are for people

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Speaker 1: under the age of fifteen. Wow, it's shout out for twelve,

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Speaker 1: my twelve year old daughter, it's your favorite show, my

429
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old son favorite show. It's one after another

430
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Speaker 1: of people under the age of fifteen. The show is

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Speaker 1: just continuing to go, which is a testament also to

432
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Speaker 1: the writing. It really is. I mean, we we like

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Speaker 1: to toot our own horn. We were very good child actors.

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Speaker 1: I think we're finding ourselves. We're doing a great job.

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Speaker 1: But the writing really does hold up. I mean, Danielle

436
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: and I were really good on the show. Um, but

437
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: I was doing that for myself, but I was pulling around,

438
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Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, again, Danielle and I were great,

439
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: and there's somebody above you know, the writing. The more

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Speaker 1: we're getting into it, and we'll get into it as

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Speaker 1: we do more of our recaps. But um, the writing, well,

442
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Speaker 1: the thing we keep coming back to is that you

443
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Speaker 1: used to have, especially in something like the TGIF block,

444
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: you had kids show and then you had slightly adult

445
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: shows when they were nine thirty slot. Whereas our show,

446
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: the writing was so good and crisp for the adults,

447
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: which is something that we never noticed as child actors

448
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: because we're doing our thing, We're in our head, we're

449
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: not there during their rehearsals, and we're watching these scenes

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Speaker 1: between Betsy and Rusty or between Bill and Tony now,

451
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: and they're just so good. So I think again that's

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Speaker 1: the testament to the writing that does and again to

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Speaker 1: you know, to Rusty and Betsy and Tony and Bill,

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Speaker 1: the talent on the adult side, they were not sitcomy, no,

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Speaker 1: and so they allowed us to write these wonderful scenes

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Speaker 1: in and and you know, I think I once you know, Will,

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Speaker 1: I think you once said on one of the episodes

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Speaker 1: of the podcast, I think you had said I had

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Speaker 1: all the funnies. I didn't have. No, you had some

460
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: dramatic stuff. I had some well you get well, the

461
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Speaker 1: Tommy stuff was was Tommy stuff was great. By the way,

462
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite and this was me and normally

463
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Speaker 1: we won't take credit for stuff, but it made me

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Speaker 1: cry when I saw it on set because I on

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Speaker 1: Girl Meets World. That was my idea to bring Tommy back. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 1: and I was awesome with the journalist and people just

467
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: flipped over that. But you have so much emotional stuff, Mark. One.

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Speaker 1: One aspect of Boy Meets World we get asked about

469
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Speaker 1: all the time, and it came up again while we

470
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Speaker 1: were introing you before this episode started is how did

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Speaker 1: wrestling make its way into the Boy Meets World storylines?

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Speaker 1: And we especially get asked about the Vader episodes. So

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Speaker 1: the answer is, Mark Blutman, We say it all the time,

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Speaker 1: but how did what is your love and affiliation for

475
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Speaker 1: wrestling and how did you bring it into Boy Meets World? Honestly,

476
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Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. In fact, I was at the

477
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Speaker 1: Forum last night a bunch of I'm friends with a

478
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Speaker 1: lot of wrestlers still and there was a a w

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Speaker 1: card there yesterday and the acclaimed say hi to you,

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00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: Danielle shout out to the acclaimed, My boy, it was amazing.

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Speaker 1: You know my grandfather. The answer is this my grandfather

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Speaker 1: who was my best friend in the world. I use

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Speaker 1: him in my work a lot. I have a movie

484
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: that I wrote that I'm going to direct in May

485
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: that's about my grandfather and me. Judd Hirsch is playing Gramps.

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Speaker 1: He was my best friend. He was my only grandparent.

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Speaker 1: The other three either died before I was born or

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Speaker 1: shortly after seeing me. I should rexamine that. Grandpa Sam

489
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: was my best buddy. He was the most beautiful human

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Speaker 1: being in the world. And he took me to a

491
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Speaker 1: wrestling match when I was like, you know, eight, nine,

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Speaker 1: ten years old, something like that. And it was Andre

493
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Speaker 1: the Giant. I was going to say, who was who?

494
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Speaker 1: Andre the Giant against this other giant of a man

495
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Speaker 1: named Don Leo Jonathan from Salt Lake City, Utah. Wow,

496
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: it was build the match of the century. And I

497
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: sat there in absolute awe and I just was hooked.

498
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Speaker 1: And I kept watching wrestling. And I have found recently

499
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: we moved and I found boxes with old stuff, and

500
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: I found a polaroid of me as a ten year old,

501
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: dressed as a wrestler in a speedo bathing suit, my

502
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: hands making the claw. Yes, I loved it and never stopped.

503
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: And then and those who know me well on social

504
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Speaker 1: note that I started off as a stand up comedian

505
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Speaker 1: and I did an act called the Crusher Comic where

506
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I dressed up as a wrestler with a mask, tights,

507
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: I had all these flamboyant ric flair robes and I

508
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: would come out to ayah the Tiger and airplane spin

509
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: people from the audience. It became huge. This was in

510
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: the in the eighties. It became huge. Comedy was big.

511
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Speaker 1: I'm selling out comedy clubs all over the country as

512
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Speaker 1: Crusher Comic. The show would end, I'd go in the

513
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Speaker 1: green room, get undressed, take my stuff off, go hang

514
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Speaker 1: out at the bar. Nobody knew I was the Crusher Comic,

515
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: so I'd be sitting there at the bar. Somebody go, oh,

516
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: what a great show. I'm like, yeah, Crusher Comics the best.

517
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Speaker 1: I come see him in Colorado all the time, oh man,

518
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 1: and so I did this for about ten years. I

519
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: was on the cover of Wrestling World magazine Crusher Comic

520
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: that the best. And one day this is true. This

521
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 1: is part of my origin story. I was playing the

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Speaker 1: improv in Pittsburgh and I did this bit in my

523
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: act where I would at the end of the act,

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Speaker 1: I would say Hey, A lot of people come up

525
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Speaker 1: to me all the time. They say, Crusher is wrestling real?

526
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: Is wrestling fake? And I go, I'm not gonna say

527
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: one way or the other, but I'm gonna give you

528
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: guys a demonstration and show you what it's all about.

529
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Speaker 1: I need somebody from the audience to come up. Somebody

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00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: would come up, and we'd get in this thing where

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Speaker 1: I would take out a chain. I'd make it a

532
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Speaker 1: chain match, and we would like dog collar with a

533
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Speaker 1: chain attaching me and this person from the audience, And

534
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: just as we were about to go at it, I

535
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: would bring out rock'em sock'em robots. This is the only

536
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Speaker 1: way to settle it. And my robot wore a mask

537
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: just like me, and it was rigged with a pump

538
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: so blood would spurt out all those of the place.

539
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: So I'm in Pittsburgh one night, and I usually was

540
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: really really good at who I chose right, and I

541
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: chose this person and I thought they were completely sober

542
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Speaker 1: and not and he gets up there and I would

543
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: always lean in and whisper, okay, just kind of a

544
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: fake slap to me to start things off. And then

545
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: I'll pull out the robots. And this guy takes the chain,

546
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: wraps it around his knuckles and Cole cocks me, Oh,

547
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: I go down. He gets escorted out from the ground.

548
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, thank you, good night, and I went I'm done,

549
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: like I can't do this anymore, like it's you know,

550
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: and and I just you know, started writing, and my

551
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: writing took off very very quickly. I sold a movie

552
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: like three months later. Um and and but that's the

553
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: wrestling part of me. And so we brought Vader on.

554
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: The first episode was the Thriller in Phila, and it

555
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: was so over the top. I think, didn't Vader pick

556
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: you up? Will? He does? He wrestled, He wrestled with me,

557
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: so he trained. He trained me, which is the coolest

558
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: thing in the world. So I remember him coming in

559
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: and essentially saying, if memory serves now, he was a

560
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: football player, he said, I think he played for the Raiders,

561
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: excuse me, University of Colorado. So he came out and

562
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: he was kind of saying he would he would always

563
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: have the rubber bands and he would stretch out because

564
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: he kept saying, my shoulders a shot. And he would

565
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: just tell us all these wrestling stories that were he said,

566
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Speaker 1: you have no idea what the wrestling world is like, No,

567
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: you don't start WWE. You obviously start in these small

568
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: little places. And he said, the one that sticks out

569
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: for me first of all, the nicest human being you want.

570
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Speaker 1: And by the way, will will not to put you off.

571
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: He felt so bad because one of the teachers I

572
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: don't know was David Comes or somebody who came to

573
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Speaker 1: me and said, dub I know you know Leon that

574
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: was his real name, Leon White. He's gone too. He

575
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: passed away about four years ago. And um, but but

576
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: David came out. He said, you need to talk to him.

577
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: He's swearing in front of the kids. Every time he

578
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: messes up a line, he goes, oh B And so

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00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, Leon, listen, it's not a locker room. These

580
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: some of these kids are probably would love him. I

581
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: remember just sitting around talking to him for hours, many

582
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: stories for hours. Yeah, but the stories that he told me.

583
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: The one that sticks out to me is he was

584
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: in a fighting pit essentially in Mexico, like a fight club.

585
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: Like it was a professional wrestler. He used to do fights.

586
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: But no, they were professional wrestler. No, that's what he said.

587
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be It wasn't fully choreographed for

588
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: this one, he told me about, but they had kind

589
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: of quote unquote worked out certain things right, but it

590
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: was more or less fly by the seat of your

591
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: pants for this one. Bullet points, bulletin yeah, and he

592
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: said the guy. He's throwing the guy around because he's

593
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: obviously supposed to win, and he goes back against the

594
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Speaker 1: ropes and he feels something in his back and he

595
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: turns around and the guy's grandmother had stabbed him through

596
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: the ropes, had walked up to the ropes and stuck

597
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: a knife in his lower back, and he looked back

598
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: like what are you? Oh my god, are you kidding me?

599
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: And then you know, finished the match and he's like,

600
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: I patched myself up. He's like, that's the kind of

601
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: stuff that used to happen. And I thought you were

602
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: going to tell the detail he used to tell. He

603
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: used to talk about how he would fight in Mexico

604
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: and they had a net a of the that was

605
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: the other of the ring, but the audience would sharpen pasos.

606
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: They would sharpen the edge of the coins and throw

607
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: coins from them. So he sliced by coins from another one.

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00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: It was insane. He said it was just absolutely But

609
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: he told me great, just amazing compliment because he had

610
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: to lift me up. So he was working with me.

611
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this, We're gonna do that. And after

612
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: we shot the show, he looked at me and said,

613
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: you're better at that than some of the professional wrestlers

614
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Speaker 1: that I work with. I was like, yes, because he

615
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: stiff and you have to like, do you know you

616
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: have to let you have to jump with them so

617
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Speaker 1: you're not destroying his back. And well, I remember what

618
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: he said. What he said to us, which blew my

619
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: mind was he's like, the so called fake wrestling that

620
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: we do is so much harder than real fighting. Yeah,

621
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: because trying to trying to make it look like you're

622
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: hurting each other without actually hurting each other requires so

623
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: much more athleticism and effort. Then, um, you know, he's like,

624
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: it's more like an acting dancing job as Ballet. Yeah,

625
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: Cory Ballet take a three hundred and fifty pound behemoth

626
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: and say you need to be nimble, choreograph and timing impeccable.

627
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: It's not beast pounding, you know. And so I was

628
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: in the hall. You said you saw Andre the Giant

629
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Speaker 1: and Andre the Giant apparently was famous for making up

630
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: things in the middle of the fight but telling the

631
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Speaker 1: other person in the ring. And Andre the Giant was

632
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: like five hundred pounds and they'd be in the middle

633
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: of the fight and he'd say they'd be in a clinch.

634
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: He'd say to the guy, now flip me. I think

635
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, are you are you what? Like, how

636
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: the hell am I supposed to flip Andre the Giant.

637
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: These men are just it's in men and women because

638
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: Alexa Bliss all these but they're amazing. Watching this stuff

639
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: is incredible. Andre would probably down three bottles of wine

640
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: before a match. He was a big drink. You drink

641
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: half a barrel of beer to get to get drunk. Apparently.

642
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm trying to picture some of these storylines

643
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: that ideas you probably had from your real life as

644
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: a comic slash wrestler. And then you're like, so boy

645
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: meets World. What if was anybody looking at you like,

646
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: what kind of ideas are these or were they accepted

647
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: right away? Well, it was pretty organic to make it

648
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: work because we were casting Ethan's dad. Yeah, you know,

649
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: Frankie Stucchino needed a dad. Well, you know, you can

650
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: go two ways. You can cast one hundred and twenty

651
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: pound men and go, oh, isn't that funny money? Or

652
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: you can cast And because we were you know, as

653
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: Frankie evolved, we made him uber sensitive and he was

654
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: a poet and all this, it seemed very organic to

655
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: give him a father who was the opposite, who was

656
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: a wrestling and so I picked from the room and

657
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Michael had no idea, how do we even do, like

658
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: as if I'm going to call Sally and Barbie and

659
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: go get get me a wrestler, you know, like they're

660
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: gonna be what would And I knew people, you know,

661
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: I knew Bruce Pritchard who's been with WWE forever and

662
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: he did this character brother Love. He ended up in

663
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: the show, you know, doing the announcing. But there was

664
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: also an executive Disney who passed away gosh, four or

665
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: five years ago, named Mitch Ackerman. And Mitch Ackerman was

666
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: on the financial side at Disney and he was a

667
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: big wrestling fan and so he helped he helped facilitate

668
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: it also, and then once he did the first episode,

669
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: then we just like we brought him back three or

670
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: four times. And then I had this insane idea where

671
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: I said to Michael, I want to film part of

672
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: our episode during a house show. For those who don't know,

673
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: a house show is when it's not like a pay

674
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: per view, it's just the loop there at an arena

675
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: and they just do matches and it's not filmed for TV.

676
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: And I'd want to film in front. And Michael's like,

677
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: you want to film an episode of Boy Meets World

678
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: in front of sixteen thousand rabid wrestling fans? Yes, I do.

679
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he didn't come. He didn't come that night,

680
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: you know he didn't. Yeah, he stayed away. I think

681
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: it actually fell on it was so terrified Friday, so

682
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: that he had an excuse. Right, Yeah, I wasn't invited

683
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: to those I was never at the Big Ones, right,

684
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: or what was it like to walk into an arena?

685
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: It was awful. It was awful. Ben and I were

686
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: so scared. We we I mean, I look, the fear

687
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: really came from just doing it live, like we only

688
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: had you know, one take. Essentially, we ended up doing two.

689
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: But we thought we only had one take because it

690
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: was supposed to be during a real wrestling match with

691
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: Ethan up there, and then Ben and I entered the ring,

692
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: and we had certain moves we had to do, and

693
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: so we had when we had lines we had to say,

694
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: and they had set up the cameras and we had

695
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: rehearsed before the audience got there, so we all felt

696
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: like okay. But then when the audience was there, I mean,

697
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I had ever been in front of

698
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: a crowd that big, and so you run out and

699
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: then of course, since it was Vader, who was a

700
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: villain as far as the world of wrestling, wing us

701
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: and then they recognize us and they were swearing at

702
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: us and yelling at us. So we're trying to like

703
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: stay focused and hit our marks and make sure that

704
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: we say our lines. And meanwhile, you know, sixteen eighteen

705
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: thousand people are screaming, you know, a boy meets World,

706
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: Corey sucks Groomshan, and we are just like, what is

707
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: happening right the worst? Oh my god, I'm so glad

708
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: you said that, because I tell that story all the time,

709
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: people think I make it up. I got called into

710
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, editing the next day or on the Monday,

711
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: and they said we have a problem and that we

712
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: had swearing married the dialogue on what that means for

713
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: people out there who don't know, we can't strip it out.

714
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: At the time, there was no way to strip it out.

715
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: It was married to dialogue. Wrestling fans are smart and

716
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: although they loved Boy Meets World, they knew what was

717
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, I love the show, but they also

718
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: knew they could rek hammus on that well. One of

719
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: one of the things that made me fall in love

720
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: with wrestling in my adult ears is the fact that,

721
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: like you said, Mark, wrestling fans are smart and they

722
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: are committed to the bit we all talk about as actors,

723
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: when you when you can commit and when you're working

724
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: with an actor who's really committed, and how incredible that is.

725
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: The wrestling fans are so committed to who the heels

726
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: are and who the heroes are that they weren't going

727
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: to allow the fact that they're taping a TV show

728
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: to change to get them off. Oh sure, we'll just

729
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: be audience members. Yeah, we'll just don't. We just won't. Yeah,

730
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: we'll just sit here. In the fact that they're yelling

731
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: at twelve year olds, It's like, no, you yourself in

732
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: our world, you're the ring. You're with Vader. That's it,

733
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: you're a heel. Yeah. The inappropriate dialogue that we had

734
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: to listen to about unspeakable things that certain members of

735
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: the cast are doing to each other, it was amazing,

736
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: oh man, And so we had obviously bring everybody in

737
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: to loop their lines and get them again. But you

738
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: know what's funny is again we talk about how the

739
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: show is timeless, and people like that tweet I read

740
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: are still out there. I must get hit up about

741
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: that one episode, you know, once a week, like how

742
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: did you think to film a sitcom? Kids sitcom? Quote

743
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: unquote kids sitcom? Right? Yeah, I mean that's insane. But

744
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: the fact that we're here all these years later talking

745
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: about again, that's all part of what made your show

746
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: so special is that we did things that others weren't doing,

747
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: and even you know, to get away from the wrestling

748
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: thing for a bit. You know, they're the things that

749
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm proudest stuff. And I know that if I was

750
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: doing every episode with you and watching, I would have

751
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: the same reactions like what, like, really that went on? Then?

752
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: I know that, and sometimes my heart hurts for what

753
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: we allow, but sometimes I also know that, no, that's

754
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: what went on. But here's where credit goes out to

755
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: all of us and us as the originators of the content.

756
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: While there may have been episodes that felt like we

757
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: were sexualizing, you know, the girls on the show, we

758
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: also were really, really careful to balance it as best

759
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: we can with something like chick Like Me were you

760
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: and Ben dressed up? And you'll get to that episode

761
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: whenever as girls and learned what it like, what it

762
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: was like in the nineties to be a girl in

763
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: high school and be sexualized. We always try to balance.

764
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: And again I'm not you know, I'm as culpable as

765
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: anybody from when things. Maybe we're a little too much,

766
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: but but the hearts in that writer's room were fairly

767
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: pure and overall, um, I will not, you know, speak

768
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: to any individuals, but I will say overall you were

769
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: also loved and cared for. And we also knew the

770
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: adults we left you with on the set, the teachers, Betsy, Rusty,

771
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: Bill Tony, Uh, you know, Alex Desaire, who I adore.

772
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: You were in good hands, which is and and this

773
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: is shout out to your families. I always tell people

774
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: that when you cast kids, you really are casting their families. Yeah. Yeah,

775
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: And credit to all your families, guys, they rocked all

776
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: of them. And so you guys were not gonna be

777
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: holding up any dry cleaning stores in Las Vegas. You

778
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: know you were just not those kids. Watch tomorrow on

779
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: the news now, right, Danielle the Wells, Fargo High School

780
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: twenty three? Oh my gosh, I didn't see that coming. Now,

781
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't be caught. We wouldn't be caught. Now we'd see

782
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: planet right? Which characters from the show like spoke to

783
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: you the most? We've heard about different writers, you know,

784
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: having their characters that really like were there, they felt

785
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: like their voice was really the voice of that character.

786
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: Which characters on Boy Meets World spoke to you the most? Like?

787
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: Which one do you most easily slip into that? That's

788
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: a great question, an amazing question, and I hope it

789
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: leads us because I would be remiss if we don't

790
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: touch on Maddie for a bit later, because he had

791
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: a specific voice for the show, and I adore Matt

792
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: Nelson and miss him and want to touch on it,

793
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: so before we get there. For me, it really was

794
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: the combo of of of writer and band. I was

795
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna say, that's so funny. I almost jumped in and said,

796
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: my impression is that the like Corey Sean schemes going

797
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: wrong was like you and Howard, like you guys brought

798
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: that element into the show and like that excitement like

799
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: when we start a band, when we do like all

800
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: these like little things like the radio show, like all

801
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: these episodes about like the Two of Us where Sean

802
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: was a little more goofy than he ended up being

803
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: later on in the show, where Seawan was like sort

804
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: of this goofball sidekick and and Ben was always getting

805
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: dragged into trouble. I feel like that was your guy's lane. Yeah,

806
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: that's so nailed it, nailed it, you know, that was

807
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: a big part of it for me. My again, you

808
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: just you articulated perfect. All I say is you know,

809
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: ditto to what you said to Will. It was also

810
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: now you were so interesting your revolution because you people

811
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: will say all the time, when did Eric Matthews lose

812
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: fifty brain cells? Like when did like when did he shake?

813
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: And they just fell because we and I actually heard

814
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: somebody else say this on the podcast, but I had

815
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: said it. Then I go, I went up in the

816
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: room one day, I said, dude is turning into Jim Carrey. Yeah,

817
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean I said that dude is turning into Jim Carrey.

818
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: They said, who I go. Well, Bill Daniels obviously, so

819
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: your stuff, you know, good looking detective and you know,

820
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: just sitting there eating your cereal and the giant bowl,

821
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: leaving the house in a row, which was so Steve

822
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: Martin the jerk. I wrote a lot of that stuff,

823
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: and I identified with the big comedy but um and

824
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: we couldn't. But for me, I always said, the only

825
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: way we'll get away with that with will as if

826
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: we include heart, as as as Danielle and Ben got older.

827
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: I love the relationship stuff and I loved letting my

828
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: heart start to bleed into my work, which is now

829
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: almost anything I do is just filled with that. And

830
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: I you know, I think, you know, when you start

831
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: off and you're on somebody else's show and you're in

832
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: your thirties, you're still trying to find your own voice,

833
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: your own personality. Michael was also very you know, we

834
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: ran the show for two years. I don't know if

835
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: you guys even remember that, but the thing is, when

836
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: you run a show from Michael Jacobs, you know, it's

837
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: very clear that it's like taking your dad's car and

838
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: you return it into the driveway. The first thing you

839
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: do is you circle it to make sure there's no kings,

840
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: no scratches. Yeah, because and there must be the exact

841
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: amount of gas still in the town. It's his car.

842
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: And so it was very difficult, which was one of

843
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: the reasons why I ended up leaving, you know, in

844
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: season five, because if you run a show from Michael,

845
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: you're never truly running your show. Although I was extremely

846
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: proud of you know, along with a lot of us,

847
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: but being part which I thought, you know, the Sean

848
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: Angelus stuff was groundbreaking on a sit come back down,

849
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: I really do. Yeah, And so you were you left

850
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: after season five? I left I think in the middle

851
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: of season five. Actually, we just we were running the

852
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: show and it was difficult. Um, you know Michael's thing, Listen,

853
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: it's his show. Whatever he wants to do, he can do.

854
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: So he was off doing other shows and he would

855
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: come in late at night. I'm ready to let everybody

856
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: go home at seven, and he's like, we're going to

857
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: change all this, and a lot of it was, you know,

858
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: that was Michael. He just wanted his words, whether better, different, whatever,

859
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. That's what he would do. And then

860
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: we got offered by Dector and Strauss season one writers.

861
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: They were doing a show with Tom Selleck called The Closer. Yeah,

862
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: and they said, can you get out of your deal

863
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: at Disney and come and do this show with us?

864
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: And we did. Um, you know, well was interesting, though, guys,

865
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: as I thought, and a lot of it was was

866
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: was what Howard wanted And this is part of, you know,

867
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: the evolution. I didn't become who I am till after

868
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World. Um, you know, you're still to you know.

869
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: I also thought when I took over the show, okay, well,

870
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: there was a lot of stuff about Michael that I

871
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: thought was good. There was a lot that I wanted

872
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: to do different and you're still trying to find yourself

873
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: years later, I'd be interviewed, I had huge regrets in

874
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: leaving you guys, Like huge regrets was writer was going

875
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: to say, he remembers the night I remember the night

876
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: you guys left. It was a big deal because it

877
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 1: was sudden. It was like we were in the middle

878
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: of the season. I feel like I forget what episode

879
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: we were doing. But there was a swing set. It

880
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: wasn't the ski Lodge was it was it the dance.

881
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: I just remember it was like there was a big

882
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: swing set. It was like a big episode and we

883
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: were doing something kind of and then it was like,

884
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: oh no, Howard and Mark are leaving the show. We

885
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: were all like what We all just kind of sat

886
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: down and say goodbye to you and it was like,

887
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: oh bye. Like it was really emotional, and it was

888
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things I can tell you guys, Uh,

889
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: as you get older me, you just cry a lot

890
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: more and a lot easier, and uh and and so

891
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm emotional now. But you know, I thought I

892
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: wanted to write adult stuff and that experience with Tom Salick,

893
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, hammered at home. No, man, your heart is

894
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: with kids. And then when I did the Olsen Twin Show,

895
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: I realized, a how good I am with kids and

896
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: how good I am at elevating their performances and making

897
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: them feel safe on a set. And then certainly on Girl.

898
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: You know, I did that as much as I could. Again,

899
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's still it's Michael's thing, you know, at

900
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: the end of the day. But I always talk about

901
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: the regret of leaving you guys. But but but to

902
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: your credit. We've you know, always there for me writer.

903
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: When I wrote and directed that movie ten years ago,

904
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: I said, you're coming to New Mexico, would you do

905
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: this role? And you went there and yell, we've done

906
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: stuff together. You've never said no to me. And Will

907
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: used to kick my ass in some trivia game on

908
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: our that was it. I was like, wait, this is

909
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: the Eric Matthews character anything? Yes, Well, you recently won

910
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: an Emmy for your work on the Apple TV Plus

911
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: series ghost Writer. Why did none of us appear on

912
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: that show? Mark? Yeah, I would have been awesome on that. Um,

913
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: you guys were no longer thirteen and it was in

914
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: and Will is not allowed to get a passport after

915
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: the incident in Amsterdam. That's true. I can get a passport,

916
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: but temporary. I can get a very temporary passport. That's it, right,

917
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: twenty four hours in and out exactly. No. Well, you know,

918
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm amazed that you walked away from the show in

919
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: fifth season. You would figure doing a show with Shelley

920
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: Long would teach you never walk away when it shows

921
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: at its prime. I have a question for you. Do

922
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: you have a favorite like like when you think of

923
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: boy met Roll, of the quintessential episode, your favorite episode?

924
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: Which one is it? Um? I think it's I think

925
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: it's part of what I meant to say. It was

926
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: two kids trying to figure out what I what I

927
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: love you means, and you know the Jane jacket. Of

928
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: course it was my hero when I was younger and

929
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: getting in it was John Hughes. Sum I love John,

930
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: and so these to find a coming of age moment

931
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: of two young people lost in love. And dude leaves

932
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: and throws his jean jacket that he had put on

933
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: days earlier. Remember and Chubbies he put it on you

934
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: because you were cold show. You'll watch it. It's a

935
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: beautiful episode. So that one stands out. And then the

936
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: one besides Vader, the one I get hit up the most,

937
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: is they want you to take the roles. Yeah, yeah,

938
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: there you go. You had a moment as an old

939
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: man writer leaving Chubbies where you went it's head Lockley

940
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: and miss Lockleer turn you chased out after you dr Locklier. Yeah,

941
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see that this season. That's

942
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: season two. Yeah, yeah, Wendy, Yeah, I'll send it you guys.

943
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: I have a picture of you guys. An old makeup.

944
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm sad and so, you know, it's hard to just

945
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: answer one episode, but I think, certainly for me what

946
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: I meant to say. I also, Danielle, the Disney World

947
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: are shot shooting? There was interesting that one? What's that?

948
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: Did you write that one? I just want to make

949
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: sure so all of the episodes that were really awesome

950
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: where people got to go do fun stuff were written

951
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: by you, because I was never in any of those episodes. Mark,

952
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, don't don't start in the Disney World.

953
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: I didn't even in the cast till season four. Somebody

954
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: said about that brother. I went with, exactly, You're just

955
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: You're the Alan Matthews of writers. Thank you so much.

956
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: As a paranoid guy wanting me to throw some flowers.

957
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: I will say one of my favorite scenes ever was

958
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: an episode I did not write. I had a lot

959
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: to do with. I think Sherman wrote it. It was

960
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: with Leicia Hayley Shall Glanis Morris set. So you sitting

961
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 1: there making a log cabin out of your French fry. Yeah,

962
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: well she's going on and on and then yelling. You know,

963
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: she said, what would make you if I said this

964
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: and that? What would you say, I would say check

965
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: check please. She was so I can't wait to get

966
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: to I hope we have her on the show. She

967
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: was so good. I went four Table Read. I went

968
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: with Jeff Sherman. We went to see her in her

969
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: band Murmurs, The Murmurs. Yeah, Danielle bought me my first

970
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: Murmurs CD and I still listen to it all the time.

971
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: It's a great album. So yeah, I still have a

972
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: CD well on my on my machine. That's part of

973
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: what made Boys so special is this giant pot of

974
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: everything Stu for everybody there was you know who else

975
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: in the sitcom world has somebody from the Murmurs on

976
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: who has who does an episode where they put a

977
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: band together? That's Rick Nielsen from Cheap Trick, Mabe Tolin's Yeah, guitars, Yeah,

978
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: who does put a band together? Guitarists? Four guitarists. You're right,

979
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: there are no bands like that, just for guitarists, no drums.

980
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: So before we before we wrap up, we did mention recently,

981
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: Um very emotionally that we lost Matt Nelson recently and

982
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: that it was very hard for all of us. And

983
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: I know you were very close to Matt. Could you

984
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: share with us a story about Matt Nelson that maybe

985
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: none of us know. Well. So I was asked by

986
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: Michael my first year on the show to go see

987
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: a play called Sensitive People. And it was a play

988
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: that Matt wrote. And it was plain I think in

989
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: in I forget if it was North Hollywood, But I

990
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: went and I was blown away by this play and

991
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: I met Matt was also in the play as an actor.

992
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: Matt did a lot of acting too. When he started.

993
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: He was her major dad. Um you could find it

994
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: on YouTube, you know. He just he was just an incredible,

995
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, uber talented person that was still, like so

996
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: many of us, trying to find our way. For me,

997
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: it was comedy writing. What am I also was a

998
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: bad actor. I was in meat Ball three with Patrick Dempsey.

999
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: He made a meat Balls three. Yeah, they also made

1000
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: a four with Jason Marsden. No I'm kidding, No, yeah,

1001
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: exactly exactly they you know. So Matt was acting, writing

1002
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: whatever and I met him after and I was blown

1003
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: away by him, and I went back to Michael the

1004
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: next day and McCracken had seen the play also, and

1005
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: we both were very effusive and saying that this guy

1006
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: is super talented. Let's bring him in. And we brought

1007
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: him in and we met him and he was very quiet,

1008
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: very shy, very introspective. But there was an incredible depth

1009
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: about Matt. I remember remember the first week, me and

1010
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: Minelle went to his office and said, Matt, we have

1011
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: this write a passage for new writers. He goes, what

1012
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: is it? I go, you stand behind your desk. I'm

1013
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: gonna put four open water bottles and me and Manell

1014
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: are going to stand in the doorway and throw tennis

1015
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: balls and knock the water bottles over. And if you

1016
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: can do that, then we know you're one of us.

1017
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: Of course we've never did that before. We up and Matt,

1018
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: being this incredible trooper, going okay, it's a little weird,

1019
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: but I want to fit in, would stand behind his desk.

1020
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: I'd set up the water bottles, Memanelle would throw tennis balls,

1021
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: and Matt was soaking and smiling, smiling, and that was Matt,

1022
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: and he knew we were goofing, but he was like going, Hey,

1023
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: this is who I am. I'm a team player. And

1024
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: then in the room, as Matt began to get comfortable

1025
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 1: in pitch, it was very evident he was very dark

1026
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: and you know, probably a lot of darkness in his

1027
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: own past, but he was beautiful and it was also sincere.

1028
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that I don't I

1029
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: don't know if people have shared it yet, if any

1030
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: of the Jeffs did, or whoever you've had on But

1031
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: one of the things that a writer room is is

1032
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: it's a safe place to share. It's a lot of things.

1033
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: Some of the things are ugly. Some of the things

1034
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: that went on in the nineties wouldn't necessarily, you know,

1035
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: stand up now. But but as far as us personally,

1036
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: we shared stories of pain. It was very therapeutic. You know,

1037
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: for me, it was mother issues that would come to

1038
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: the forefront, and so Matt would share and it was

1039
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, clear there was you know, he had a

1040
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: dark side. He immediately, you know, to answer that other question,

1041
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: he was he was a Shan guy. Yeah, you know,

1042
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: he was Team Sean. He was writing some incredible stuff

1043
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: and drafts would come in and Matt was handing in

1044
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: first drafts that were brilliant. But I'm like, Matt, we're

1045
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: not doing the basketball diaries. Raft a needle and a

1046
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: tourniquet under you know, Corey's bed, right pause, and go,

1047
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: what about Sean? Well, maybe, of course I'm exaggerating here,

1048
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: but but but Matt's work and ability to write dark

1049
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: angsty troubled within something as pure as Boy Meets World

1050
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: was the hardest task, a task that would seem impossible.

1051
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: But Matt did it. Yeah, he did it better than anybody.

1052
01:00:54,280 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: And um, on Girl Meets World, he made some grena maya.

1053
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: Nobody did it like him. Yeah. And one of my

1054
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: regrets is that I never wrote a pilot with Matt.

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Speaker 1: I always wrote pilots with Michael, because that's what you did.

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Speaker 1: And Matt and I would have been special together because

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Speaker 1: we fed off each other so well and complimented each

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Speaker 1: other's scripts so well and one of another. I use

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Speaker 1: the word regret a lot. Although Matt had an incredible

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Speaker 1: impact which should never be lost on Boy Meets World

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Speaker 1: and Girl Meets World, so many other shows and audiences

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Speaker 1: missed out on what Matt could have created had he

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Speaker 1: left our world. And when I say our world, I

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Speaker 1: mean Michael and Boy and Girl. He only wanted to

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Speaker 1: write for you guys and be part of Michael's world.

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Speaker 1: And had Matt gone out on his own, he would have,

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Speaker 1: you know, probably shared him. He's like I was fortunate

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Speaker 1: enough to do because he was brilliant and he was

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Speaker 1: not a normal, you know, sit Friday night sitcom writer,

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Speaker 1: but he was able to make his vision and his

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Speaker 1: voice work within yours. And again, so when people say

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Speaker 1: how special Boy meets World is and was and Girl

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Speaker 1: Meets World, Matt, you know, deserves as much credit as anybody,

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Speaker 1: including Michael and myself and Howard and Jeff and Jeff

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Speaker 1: and all the people that have been with you guys forever. Matt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: quintessential voice. A great Guy's a great guy. Well, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being here with us. Mark. It was a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you. I loved all of your stories,

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Speaker 1: as I always do. Where can people find you? Now?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned a couple of times, since you're the young,

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Speaker 1: hip guy that you are on social where can people

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Speaker 1: find you? Hold on? Just making sure people see my beads. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: actually two let me do a shout out these two

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Speaker 1: material little bracelets. I don't know if you guys remember

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Speaker 1: our super fan from Girl Meets World. Emily. She was

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Speaker 1: the young girl from Colorado. She was confined to a wheelchair.

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Speaker 1: She came down to our set. She made these for me.

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Speaker 1: And she's on Instagram and she makes these bracelets and

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Speaker 1: they're beautiful. I'm on Twitter as Bluntman Mark and on

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Speaker 1: on Instagram as Mark Blutman and Uh. As I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 1: I'm shooting a movie in May called Dare to Dream,

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01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: which is kind of bad News Bears meets Cocoon. These

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01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: older people in their eighties discover Fountain Youth and turn

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Speaker 1: into their twelve year old selves. How cool. Oh that's good.

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Speaker 1: We're free in May. We're all free in May, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see you. Are you there for Sport Canada? Well, Mark,

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Speaker 1: we want to have you back when we get to

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Speaker 1: some of the mcfoli episodes, so we will be inviting

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Speaker 1: you back. This will not be the last time the

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Speaker 1: audience hears from you, so um, thank you again for

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Speaker 1: being here with us, and we will look forward to

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Speaker 1: the next time. There will be another next time. And

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Speaker 1: just very quickly, not only do I want to thank you,

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Speaker 1: but all the fans out there that we didn't get

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Speaker 1: a chance to thank in the nineties because there was

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Speaker 1: no way of knowing who they are where they were.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you to all of

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Speaker 1: you for supporting all of us all these years for

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Speaker 1: the best fans. Do we have best fans ever? Thank

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Speaker 1: you Mark, Mark, Thanks Mark. Oh boy. So fun to

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Speaker 1: talk to people and also emotional. It's fun emotional, if

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Speaker 1: I might, Daniel, you and your joint words, I love it,

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Speaker 1: nice smushing words together. I still can't believe they did

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Speaker 1: five episodes in the first season. I mean that's the

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Speaker 1: second season. Yeah there, first season, first season, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean I yeah, I really think that A lot of

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Speaker 1: the second season and and what became Boymet's World is

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Speaker 1: defined by by Mark and Howard's energy. Yeah, you could feel,

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Speaker 1: you know, I and I that was a lot of

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Speaker 1: that was because Michael was gone. Michael left to do

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Speaker 1: other shows. Because when when you have a hit show

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Speaker 1: like Boyman's World out of the gate, like we were

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Speaker 1: a hit after the first season, you get a lot

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Speaker 1: of opportunities, and Michael had a lot of opportunities. He

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Speaker 1: went and created I think like three other pilots during

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Speaker 1: the second season of Boyme's World. Not many of them went.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if any of them did, but I

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Speaker 1: remember David Kendall took over his executive producer's showrunner for

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Speaker 1: a lot of episodes. So Michael would come in and

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Speaker 1: give notes sometimes, but other weeks we would go without

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Speaker 1: him coming and giving notes. I'm sure he was in

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Speaker 1: the writers room giving notes, but we wouldn't see Michael

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Speaker 1: for weeks at a time. And um, and I think

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Speaker 1: what ended up happening was the Howard and Mark voice

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Speaker 1: started to take over, which I think was really great.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, for me, it became why Sean

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Speaker 1: was a huge part of the show. Um, that's sort

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Speaker 1: of like the core sec they were. That pair became

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Speaker 1: kind of in separate us get into trouble, us coming

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Speaker 1: up with schemes and you know, yeah, hi Janks and

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Speaker 1: all of that that was entirely them. Um, And I

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Speaker 1: think it was a great evolution for the show. Um.

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Speaker 1: So well, I can't wait to get more and more

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Speaker 1: into it as we get into season two. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're we're getting ready. We're getting ready. We're diving. We're

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Speaker 1: diving into season two. And so thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always,

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Speaker 1: you can follow us on Instagram pod Meets World Show.

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. And I'm not sure if you've

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Speaker 1: heard but we have merch. Oh there's March pod Meets

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Speaker 1: Worldshow dot com and we'll see you next time. Writer

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Speaker 1: send us out. We love you all, pod dismissed. Pod

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Speaker 1: Meets World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by

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Speaker 1: Danielle Fischel, Will Fernell and Ryder Strong executive producers, Jensen

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Speaker 1: Carp and Amy Sugarman Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo,

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Speaker 1: producer and editor, Tara suit Box producer, Jackie Rodriguez, engineer

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Speaker 1: and Boy Meets World superfan Easton Allen. Our theme song

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Speaker 1: is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon. You can follow us

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