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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling Railvalry.

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Speaker 1: No, no, sibling, you don't do that with your mouth, revelry.

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Speaker 2: That's good. This Zalira Hudson reporting live from Aspen, Colorado. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we are back. I am back, sibling revelry. Uh, I

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Speaker 2: was just I was in Europe. I was in Europe.

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Speaker 2: You know what can I say? I apologize And I

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Speaker 2: had the best time with my family, had the best

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Speaker 2: time with my children. It was a memorable, memorable trip.

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Speaker 2: And now I'm here and I'm back, and I was sick.

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Speaker 3: So my voice, I know, it sounds better now I

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Speaker 3: can talk like this and be a real podcast.

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Speaker 2: I kind of wish my voice would stay this way. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Enough about me, My guest, our guest, America's guest, Charles

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Speaker 2: Kelly is coming on right now. I actually know his brother.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk to him about a few things,

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Speaker 2: especially his newfound sobriety, which I'm very interested in. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I needed to take a page out of his book.

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Speaker 2: If you know what I mean founding member of Lady

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Speaker 2: A formerly Lady Antebellum and bring him home. What is hey? Brother?

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Speaker 2: What's up dude? It's funny, Like it's not lost on

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Speaker 2: me right now that I look like a Warren traveler

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Speaker 2: who's found in the wood in the woods somewhere.

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Speaker 4: It looks like he been on a bicycle for a

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Speaker 4: little bit.

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Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah, well, I I shot seventy three yesterday. I'm

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Speaker 2: a big golfer Myselfamn. Yeah. Well, your brother Josh, I've

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Speaker 2: known and I met him through golf. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 2: always a stick. I mean he was always a great golfer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, I mean Josh is always he was

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Speaker 4: the out of all of us brothers, like he if

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Speaker 4: he played more like he could be really really unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: He he just he's one of those guys. He's got

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Speaker 4: so many different hobbies, like you know, like that's the

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Speaker 4: only way I can kind of even hang with him

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Speaker 4: now is just because I probably played twice as much

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Speaker 4: golf as he does. But he beats the mess out

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Speaker 4: the ball. But it's fun, man. We have growing up.

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Speaker 4: We played a time of golf together and music.

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Speaker 2: But how's your game?

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Speaker 4: It's actually not bad.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm a My handicaps like a four. I

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Speaker 4: mean I kind of you know, I fluctuate. I can

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Speaker 4: I can get down to a three, and I can

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Speaker 4: get as high as a seven. You know, it depends

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Speaker 4: on how much I play. But but I've been playing a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit better. I figure a little something out. You know.

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Speaker 4: My wife is like, oh yeah, I bet you did it,

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Speaker 4: figured it out.

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Speaker 2: It's so true. Man, Like you you figure one little

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Speaker 2: thing out and like, oh shit, okay, I'm in. I

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Speaker 2: got it, Like, sign me up. Where do I need

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Speaker 2: to go to like win a tournament? And then a

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Speaker 2: week later. It's just it's the most frustrating game. But

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Speaker 2: that's the beauty of it too.

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Speaker 4: It's my favorite thing in the world. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: like you know, growing up and I gotta Georgia. He

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Speaker 4: had to play golf. But it's funny, I played so

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Speaker 4: much as a kid. I got to where, like in

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Speaker 4: high school and college, I didn't like it, and I

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Speaker 4: kind of lost my game and I kind of lost

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Speaker 4: the love of it. And finally, you know, I started

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Speaker 4: and playing. Honestly, you know, he really got me back

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Speaker 2: Way was Darius Rucker.

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Speaker 4: We've done two tours together and he wakes up every

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Speaker 2: Road and plays. Yeah, he's obsessed, obsessive.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't play every day with him, but I would play, like,

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Speaker 4: he just gets up early and we get out there,

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Speaker 4: and I just slowly started kind of going all right,

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Speaker 4: I started kind of falling back in love with the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had. I had a similar situation because I

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Speaker 2: what I mean, for sure, Yeah, I just love it.

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Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong. But was Joshon to fly tying? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: jumping in everything? Yeah, because last time I saw him

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's onto the new hobby now. He's he's a

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Speaker 4: leather He's a leatherman. He's making leather. He like literally

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Speaker 4: made me like a belt, He made me a guitar strap,

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Speaker 4: he made I think he made his wife Katie like

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Speaker 4: a saddle. I mean, the dude is he's so funny man,

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Speaker 4: but he's that way. Like growing up, we would you know,

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Speaker 4: and he's like making either he's like disassembling like an

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Speaker 2: You know, just he always was that kind of guy.

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Speaker 4: Man. He like, you know, I consider myself I'm like

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Speaker 4: a one dimensional artist. Like I can say any write songs,

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Speaker 4: that's it. Paint I can't do any of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: But my brother is like a true artist. And since

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Speaker 4: where like he I think views the world, you know,

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Speaker 4: in a very artist Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know I get that. What

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Speaker 2: was it like growing up? Did you guys have? How

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Speaker 2: many siblings did you have? So?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I grew up so my dad my parents been

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Speaker 4: a horse. This house five But so my dad they

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Speaker 4: a sister who's the oldest, Christy. Then John, and then

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Speaker 4: ten years later, same marriage, they had Josh. And then

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Speaker 4: my mom was like, well he needs a friend, and

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait, but your parents

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Speaker 4: No, they didn't divorce.

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Speaker 2: They didn't divorce yet they had their first family essentially.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we had, say, they had John and Christy.

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Speaker 4: Ten years later, same marriage, had Josh and I and

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Speaker 4: then and then my dad got remarried and then I've

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Speaker 4: so my dad has had seven kids.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's there's a lot, there's a lot of us.

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Speaker 2: What was that house like growing up? I mean, was

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Speaker 2: it wild? Was it fun? It was wild?

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Speaker 4: I mean it was fun. I mean Josh and I

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Speaker 4: so you know, but it was interesting because, like you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, essentially it was just.

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Speaker 4: you know. I feel like that happens a lot with

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Speaker 4: And I mean it was wild. I mean there was

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Speaker 4: I mean, we our house was like the party house. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like my house now because I have a

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Speaker 2: I'm the parent, I think I create a safe space

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Speaker 4: Long as as long as nobody's driving. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: But it's yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: I was like, I'll take us somewhere, let's go.

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Speaker 4: Gonna be the thing I'll watch more than anything with

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Speaker 4: And started playing music, and you know kind of that

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Speaker 2: Was music in your family?

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Speaker 4: Do you know what they like to say that now,

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Speaker 4: Like my dad loves to be, like, oh us sing

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Speaker 4: like R. E. M. Then it was like hooting a

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Speaker 4: I ended up, you know, especially with our band Lady

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Speaker 4: as very like southern rock meets country meets a little

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Speaker 4: you know, and I think, well, I think you can

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Speaker 4: We love country, we love pop music, we love it all,

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Speaker 4: was really fun. I do think I do remember vividly though,

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Speaker 4: like my older brother bringing home Nirvana.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: and I was like, I got this crazy idea of

435
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 4: starting a vand I was like, no pressure, we'll just

436
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 4: do it on the side. If it doesn't take off

437
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 4: or nobody cares, no big deal. Well, you know, I'll

438
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 4: chase my thing. You chase your thing. And immediately it

439
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 4: was just like we put it up in it was

440
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 4: just amazing to just you could just tell it had something,

441
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 4: you know, and my friends and my dad like called

442
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: me up and was like.

443
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 2: Whatever this is this is and Josh said the same thing.

444
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 4: He was like, we had Love Don't Live Here, which

445
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 4: was our first single, and just a little, you know,

446
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 4: crummy little demo of it up there, and Josh was like,

447
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 4: this is this is really cool. And so we started

448
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 4: just doing some little shows in Nashville. Our first show

449
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 4: we opened up for Josh place called Third and Lensley,

450
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 4: And so again comes back to my brother. I mean,

451
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 4: he was a huge He was a huge launching pad

452
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 4: for us, and just every month or so we started

453
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 4: doing another show and it grew, and I think by

454
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 4: our fourth or fifth show, maybe a little bit more

455
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 4: than that, we started having some label people come by,

456
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 4: and you know, within I think six months of starting

457
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 4: this group, we had like three record deal offers. It

458
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 4: was like, I really just think it was just because

459
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 4: there wasn't many groups. It's like I feel like everything

460
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 4: is right time, right place. Yeah, I mean, it was

461
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 4: just there wasn't many groups that were doing much at

462
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 4: the time, and especially with I think two lead singers,

463
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 4: you know, kind of going back. It was just it

464
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 4: had the harmony part, but it was like, you know,

465
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: we definitely were We're kind of coming in I think

466
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 4: with a little bit of a different fresh sound that

467
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 4: was happening at the time, you know.

468
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: Man, So when that happens from sort of trying to

469
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: find trying to get a date potentially, you know, of

470
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: course extremely talented and wanting to write music, but it's like,

471
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: oh it, she's cute from there, and then six months

472
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: later you're kind of on your way. I mean, that's

473
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: that's I mean, do you would you have moments where

474
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: you're standing there and out of the shower or whatever

475
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: and be like, holy shit, are you kidding?

476
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 4: Like what I have moments now? At the time, At

477
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 4: that time, I didn't. I mean, it wasn't happening. It

478
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 4: wasn't happening fast enough for me at the.

479
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: Time, which is I got it interesting.

480
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I literally, if I'm being honest, I

481
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 4: had kind of told myself, if something doesn't happen when

482
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 4: I moved to Nashville within like two years, I'm moving

483
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: to I'm going and just doing the normal, normal thing.

484
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 4: I'm getting a dusk job, which is hilarious now because

485
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 4: I can't imagine doing anything.

486
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: I know.

487
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know what I mean, I feel

488
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 4: like I had just like for the longest time it

489
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 4: blocked off this like certain side of the brain.

490
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 2: Whichever is the artistic side, is it left? Right? I

491
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: think it's the right. I don't know. Whatever it is.

492
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 4: It was, and you know, a little bit of that

493
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 4: I think comes from like growing up in like Augusta, Georgia.

494
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 4: You know, you just like, well, this is what you do,

495
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 4: you go do this. There's not I wouldn't call growing

496
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 4: up in Augusta, Georgia's the most artistic environment. It's not

497
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: like growing up in Austin or even in Nashville, you know,

498
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 4: or and so.

499
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: You know, it was.

500
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 4: It was just crazy though, Like I remember just having

501
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 4: this weird confidence and I don't know if I've ever

502
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: gotten that confidence to that level back since then. Those

503
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: first two or three years, I just felt like I

504
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 4: knew and we knew where we were going, we knew.

505
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 4: It felt fresh. I don't know, it just it wasn't

506
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 4: until maybe the industry can kind of kick you in

507
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 4: the ass a few times that you start then second

508
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: guessing and the pressure starts building. I don't think I

509
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 4: really started feeling, you know, a little bit of the pressure.

510
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 4: And the second guessing to the third record, it was

511
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: like we follow up needs you now, and I remember

512
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 4: we cut like half the record and the labels like,

513
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 4: I don't think we have the first single. And it

514
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 4: was the first time like they weren't just losing their

515
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 4: shit over everything we gave them, you know, for the records.

516
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 4: It was just like this is amazing, this is amazing,

517
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 4: it's amazing. And then it was like, I don't think

518
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 4: we have it. And that was like the first time

519
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 4: I remember kind of being like, oh man, is it

520
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 4: is this a good song? Is it not? And so

521
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: you know I've battled that probably ever since.

522
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 2: Well it's funny. It's it's where it's where our stream

523
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: meets business, you know, it's it's I mean every time, yeah,

524
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: because it's like you said, those first couple of records,

525
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: you're just like a free wheeling everyone loves everything you do,

526
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, now we don't have it.

527
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: So now you are having to write to to something

528
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: rather than straight from your heart. Now it's like, okay,

529
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: we have to write a fucking single. What does that mean?

530
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: You're like, what do you mean write a single? How

531
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: did Well?

532
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 4: That's you know, well that's and that's what's so funny.

533
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 4: I mean our first single, which you know, you know,

534
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 4: most most songs two versus three choruses, the bridge. Our

535
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 4: first single was literally two verses before you even got

536
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 4: to the chorus, and then it had a half verse

537
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 4: and then a chorus out, so like it didn't have

538
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 4: a bridge, had two choruses, not three. It didn't even

539
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 4: get to the first chorus till like a minute and

540
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 4: a half. I was like, because we didn't know how

541
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 4: to write a hit song, but that's what fresh. It

542
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: just felt good. It wasn't formulaic. After needs you now

543
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: it was like, all right, we need another one of those,

544
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 4: and it was like, well that just happened. I don't

545
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: know how it happened.

546
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: You I'm right, And so you know, it's just funny.

547
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: Well, and also to feel like, you know, the more

548
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 4: records you go, it's like, you know, no one's ever

549
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: going to hear you like they heard you in the

550
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: beginning because it was new, it was fresh, and so

551
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: it's like you get half the people are like, oh,

552
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: it sounds like a last record, and the other half

553
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 4: are like, oh, I just wish they'd do what they

554
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 4: did before, you know, so you're always battling these demons,

555
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: and I feel like probably over the past three or

556
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 4: four years is when I finally have kind of come

557
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 4: to this, like, you know, just enjoy the process and

558
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: not the outcome so much, because I think people are

559
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 4: always going to come out to our shows to hear

560
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: those first three or.

561
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: Four records and those hits.

562
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: But it doesn't mean like our die, our fans and

563
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 4: people won't discover the new stuff, and that every now

564
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 4: and then we can't have another you know, number one

565
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: song here and there. But at the end of the day,

566
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 4: people are coming out to our show to hear needs

567
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: You Now American Run to You, you know, because that's

568
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 4: was the first time they heard it also brings back memories.

569
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: So as a as a band, now, do you guys

570
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: ever think let's do something wild? You know, we've been

571
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: doing this for eighteen years. Let's do something so off

572
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: the off the book, something that you know, not not

573
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: not on purpose, not for shock value, not to try

574
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: to you know, gain followers, as the kids sort of

575
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: say these days, but more of let's just experiment.

576
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: I think I think we're definitely in that phase and

577
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: we and we have to a point. You know, there's

578
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: definitely been been some songs you know, if anybody's watching

579
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: or listening, that you know kind of has followed our career.

580
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 4: You know, we've had songs like this song called bartend

581
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 4: or Downtown or you Look Good that had horns in it,

582
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: which was definitely a different sound than you know, kind

583
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 4: of our earlier stuff. But there has always been a

584
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 4: thread of that, you know, I will speak personally, I

585
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 4: have you know, I did a solo record about eight

586
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 4: years ago, that's right, yeah, and just for fun, you know,

587
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: and that I've actually been kind of you know, I'm like, okay,

588
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 4: we've been banned out seventy and eighteen years. We're you know,

589
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 4: we got families, We're not doing as many albums. I

590
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: have been kind of chasing something down that feels very

591
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 4: different and authentic to me that I you know, it's

592
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: hard though with a band. It's like I can't be like, hey,

593
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: this is where I want to go, y'all. I want

594
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 4: y'all to go with me. You know, I can present

595
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 4: it to them and see and vice versa. You know,

596
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 4: they could throw something at me and I'll be like,

597
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: I don't really want to go down that road, you know.

598
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: So you know, I think it's always a compromise with

599
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: a group.

600
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: Have you had moments, you know, where to fall out

601
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: is it's going to work, We're done, I hate you,

602
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm out of here, I love you. You know. Yeah,

603
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: has it been pretty consistently.

604
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: I mean we've had some moments where, like, you know,

605
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 4: it's gotten a little heated. Stopped drinking two years ago,

606
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: and that was a big point of contention for a

607
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 4: long time. You know. I always kind of felt like

608
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 4: I kept it under pretty goo control, especially on stage.

609
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: But you know, there were definitely some moments here and there.

610
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: But you know, we've def some moments where it was

611
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: just like, I'm in a group of like two of

612
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: the nicest people in the entire universe, right Hillary, They're

613
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: super religious, they're super friendly, they're super kind, And I

614
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: definitely had moments where I could be a little aggressive

615
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 4: and it wasn't even I think my intention to be

616
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 4: like a dick. I just was like I think this

617
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 4: is what we should do or this, you know, And

618
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 4: sometimes I think I could be dismissive without really realizing it,

619
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 4: you know, And that's something I've had to work on

620
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 4: a lot.

621
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: And how much how much did the booze contribute to Oh? Totally.

622
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: I mean you get done with the show and then

623
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 4: you start drinking more, and then you start rattling off

624
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 4: what we did wrong or what could have been better

625
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 4: or this or that, and everything I feel like has

626
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 4: changed for the better since I stopped.

627
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: I want to talk about that. It's just like, I mean,

628
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: what a big moment in your life, you know. I

629
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: mean I'm not about how was it really bad? When

630
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: did you start drinking? When did you maybe realize that, like, shit, man,

631
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: this could be an issue.

632
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 4: I mean, it never got like again, everybody, you know,

633
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: my wife would probably say the opposite, but I felt

634
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: like it never got to where I was like, you know,

635
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 4: lying at a gutter or doing this, or like waking

636
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: up every morning and like pouring a giant you know thing,

637
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 4: a OJ or whatever. But I definitely golf was a

638
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: big part of it. Like it was my excuse, Like

639
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 4: I get off the road, I go out the golf

640
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: course eight thirty. Well I always play a little better

641
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: after a few cocktails, so.

642
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: I did interrupt, but I did you know I played yesterday.

643
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: It's it's like Pavlovian get to the golf course at ten. Yeah,

644
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: I got two double vodka grapefruit juice to start the

645
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: fucking day, you know, and you just drinking and have

646
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: been fun and I put a little dip in. I'm

647
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, now we're off to the races. It's

648
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: so crazy. Golf is like it's hard. It's the most

649
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: socially acceptable.

650
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: Well, I was in you know, my two loves, you know,

651
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 4: outside my family or golf of music, and there's the

652
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: two most socially acceptable arenas to drinking that you have.

653
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: And so again I think it was like I was

654
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: going out all the time drinking.

655
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't it.

656
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 4: It was just like casual drinking or like you know,

657
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: even like getting off stage and like you know, staying

658
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: up till two three in the morning watching Netflix, and

659
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 4: like next thing I know, I've had you know, five

660
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 4: Woodford on the rocks for no reason after I already

661
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 4: been drinking before and during the show, and it was

662
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: just like, okay, this is this has gotten bad. So

663
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 4: I didn't like the way I felt, didn't like the

664
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: way I was looking yeah, and you know, when things

665
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 4: were hard, I mean, I think my wife was. It

666
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 4: definitely was creating a little odd attension with.

667
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: Her because she was she was just like, you're you're

668
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: drinking too much.

669
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, have like a you know, a kid, well boy,

670
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: and I just you know, I think, honestly, what it

671
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: was a lot of it was coming home from the

672
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: golf course drunk. And you know, I have to admit

673
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: I was driving home drunk, you know, and I get

674
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: back and it was like, okay, we got a kid,

675
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: like he could kill yourself, kill someone else.

676
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: And ruin our entire life.

677
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 4: And so yeah, but you know, it was tough at first,

678
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: and then it's weird. It kind of I have been

679
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: drinking since I was fifteen, and I'm I feel like

680
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: I've accomplished every everything that a man could.

681
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: Do in his drinking career.

682
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 4: Yea eyes lows the in betweens. And honestly, it had

683
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 4: stopped being fun about four or five years ago. Anyways,

684
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 4: Like once it started, like once I could tell like

685
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: I needed it, Like it wasn't even like I was

686
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: doing it to you know, I don't know, like in

687
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 4: a casual or even like in a social setting. I

688
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: was just doing it to do it like it was

689
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 4: just habit. And that was when I was kind of like,

690
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 4: this isn't even fun anymore. So it's funny. I've kind

691
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: of like, I don't know, it's really reframed how I

692
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 4: look at life, like I've just kind of looked at

693
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: it like, hey, that was that was a chapter. Now

694
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: what can I accomplish without this thing? And so it

695
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 4: kind of frees up a little more of your mind,

696
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 4: you know, like when you're bored. Because I really think

697
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 4: that's half the reason I was drinking.

698
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: It was just like boring.

699
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sitting here, what can I what can make me,

700
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 4: you know, sitting out here looking like right now, looking

701
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: at you know, out here at.

702
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: The pool a little bit more fun? Well, cocktail is

703
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: going to do that. You're like, you're literally like speaking

704
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 2: what goes on in my mind? Yeah, because I again,

705
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 2: I function. I'm an amazing dad. But sometimes I feel

706
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: like I drink too much. You know. I got the

707
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: same thing like if I have to because we're in

708
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: the mountains with the most beautiful view of the mountains,

709
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 2: and you know, if I sit out there without any

710
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: kind of advice, I feel like I'm missing something.

711
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: Exactly and that thinks a while, Yeah, it will, and

712
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: you'll have to like I mean that'll like slowly. You know.

713
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 4: It took me a little while too, because I mean,

714
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 4: you know, I mean I never used to read. Like

715
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 4: the last few years, I've probably gone through eighty books,

716
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 4: and I'm like come from like I'm starting to pick

717
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 4: up other little things. There's definite moments though, don't get

718
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 4: me wrong. I'm like when I'm sitting on the beach

719
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: sometimes like ah, cocktail will be real nice right now,

720
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 4: or like you know, cocktail parties are really or you know,

721
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: I don't.

722
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: I can enjoy them.

723
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 4: I can hang for a little while, but like you know,

724
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 4: long dinners when they start getting past two hours, and

725
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 4: I'm like basically that, I mean, I could sit there

726
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 4: and go through wine all night with someone, but I

727
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 4: feel like it's like one of those little you know,

728
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: weights where you kind of like it's like all right,

729
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: that's that's gone. But now, like I craved the mornings

730
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: and like I'm waking up at six thirty seven and

731
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: I'm like getting my day started. So it's like I

732
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 4: feel like I gain you know, hopefully, like you know,

733
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: my my reward is bigger than than that loss.

734
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, this is like a good moment for

735
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: me even talking because I know for real, because I

736
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: just feel exactly what you're saying. You know, it's just

737
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: about getting through the transition of that. And I've had moments,

738
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: you know, like even my voice is a little fucked

739
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: up because I was sick, you know, and just like

740
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: a chesty thing. So I didn't drink and I didn't

741
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: do it, and I woke up every morning and I

742
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: was like, man, this is it just feels so good,

743
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: so fresh, you know, we don't feel like crap. And

744
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: actually yesterday was the first day drink in like a

745
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: week because and now I wake up this morning, I'm like, oh, man,

746
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: like I had fun yesterday, but is it like worth

747
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: it right now? You know? So how did that? How

748
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: did that transition work? Though? Like, how did you did

749
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: you just stop or how did you get through it?

750
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 4: Well? I actually went to I went to a like

751
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 4: a little place. It was definitely a pretty boogie, little,

752
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: you know, little kind of rehab place in which I

753
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 4: I swore up and down I'd never do anything like it,

754
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: and you know, and I'm in there with you know,

755
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 4: people that I would consider are little or definitely more,

756
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: you know, really like like I said, waking up polishing

757
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 4: off of dog, I'm handlovaka, you know. I mean I

758
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 4: wasn't there, but it was weird. I could started hearing

759
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: their stories. It's like, oh man, I could have gotten

760
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: there like maybe ten years, like just slowly, because if

761
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 4: I really look at it, I mean I went from

762
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 4: weekend Warrior to then this or that, you know a

763
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 4: couple of beers and I you know, maybe you have

764
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 4: you know, raging night here and there to literally every

765
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 4: day golf course. If I was golfing, definitely drinking early,

766
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 4: but even take that away, I'd go if I was writing,

767
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: I would or a few cocktails while I was writing

768
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 4: a song on that day. Definitely when I came home

769
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 4: at five, it was on and I would drink till midnight.

770
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: Like I pretty much could have a drink in my

771
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: hand all the time. If it was if honestly, if

772
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 4: my wife wasn't looking like she's the reason I didn't

773
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 4: get further faster. But it was it was really cool. Man.

774
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 4: I look back at it, and I'm like, if like

775
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: alcohol is one thing, but really I feel like I

776
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 4: was spiritually kind of void. I definitely did not have

777
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 4: any connection with any higher power of any kind. Like

778
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 4: I just was like, I don't know if I believe.

779
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 4: Maybe I do, maybe I don't. And it was weird.

780
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: Man.

781
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 4: I was there for about a month, and it just

782
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 4: reframed how I kind of looked at life. And I

783
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: was kind of I even kind of knew over the

784
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: past five or six years that like I was waiting

785
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: for something to happen to kind of push me. I

786
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 4: was like, something's going to happen in my life that

787
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: makes me start looking, you know, for what is the

788
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: meaning of life?

789
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: What is this?

790
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 4: You know, who's up there? Is anything up there? You

791
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 4: know those kind of those kind of questions. And so

792
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 4: I feel like, in a weird way, it was kind

793
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 4: of a blessing, you know, some things that kind of

794
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 4: come together at the same time, where like my wife

795
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 4: was like, you got to do something about this or else,

796
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 4: and it was around the same time my band was

797
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: kind of feeling that way too. And so I look

798
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 4: back and I mean I'm like, damn, thank god, you know,

799
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 4: And now it's been I just celebrated two years about

800
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: a week ago, and it's just I don't know, it's

801
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 4: wild I never thought I could do it, that's for

802
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: damn sure.

803
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: Were you there for a month straight?

804
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 4: Well you get a phone at night and in the morning,

805
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: but like no cell phone, just kind of completely just

806
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 4: immerse yourself with other people. And it was wild how

807
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: the stories, how connected the stories were, you know, and

808
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 4: different but still like the same, you know, usually a

809
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 4: very similar, little little little thread of like how you

810
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: got there.

811
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: And you know, and what'd you tell your kid? You know,

812
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 2: I mean told them I is it feelings Feelings Camp?

813
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: He loves we're all about like I think since then

814
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: he's kind of realized it was about, you know, drinking,

815
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 4: because they're like, you know, he's eight years old, so

816
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: at the time he was six and yeah, and we're

817
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 4: always telling him to be in touch with his feelings.

818
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: And when we're like Daddy's at feelings came, he's like,

819
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 4: I want to go to Feelings Camp. Like I don't

820
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 4: want you to have to go to But it was

821
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 4: it was honestly amazing. I mean, I like I'd always

822
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 4: like looked at it as like, Okay, this is a

823
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: place for people that you know, wake up in the

824
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 4: freaking bushes. Yes, it's like it's not I mean it

825
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 4: really is and and you know, almost felt like you're

826
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: you're talking about just how to be and how to live,

827
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 4: how to deal with anxiety, how to deal with you know,

828
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 4: all kinds of different you know, just pressures that kind

829
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 4: of come in, uh, in your way.

830
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 2: And but yeah, it was it was like I love that.

831
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: I love that.

832
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 4: Man.

833
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: I want to go to Feelings camp too, go to Feelings. No,

834
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 2: that's great, And how how how has it impacted your

835
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: new life so to speak as you sort of talked

836
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: talked about this next sort of chapter. Yeah, and it's

837
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: exciting because you're like, oh what what what now? You

838
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: know it's almost a new guy.

839
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 4: I think it makes so much things more possible for

840
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 4: me now. I mean my relationship with my wife is

841
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 4: a whole different thing now. I mean it went from

842
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 4: where literally there was a lot of little resentments. You know,

843
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: I felt like she was trying to parent me, which

844
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 4: is really she was just worried about me, looking out

845
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 4: for me. I mean, our connection is so much stronger.

846
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm way more present, you know, with

847
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: my kid. And the dynamic with a band has changed

848
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 4: a ton. I think they know they don't have to

849
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: worry about about me or what I might you know,

850
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 4: how I might react to certain situations and and you know,

851
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 4: again I always thought like I showed up on the

852
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: stage and saying well and did this. But then I

853
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 4: kind of was reminded about certain little moments where I

854
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 4: was like, oh, yeah, I remember that night. I definitely

855
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 4: had about, you know, for solo, cups of whiskey before

856
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 4: that show, you know. I mean, it wasn't like I

857
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: was like I'd be like, oh, I just had one

858
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: whiskey or two whiskeys.

859
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: It was like, no, those were like yeah, you know.

860
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: Exactly, And so like there was some of those little

861
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 4: moments too, So I don't know, it just it takes

862
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 4: away this It's taken away this crutch I think, and

863
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: I have to just kind of be myself. And I've

864
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 4: just enjoyed it. Man, It's weird, I think it though.

865
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 4: It definitely has got me dreaming again about where I

866
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 4: want to go and maybe even some things outside of

867
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: music that I might want to try, you know, but definitely,

868
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 4: like even like the solo project, eventually, I like, I

869
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 4: don't know if it'll be something I put out next year,

870
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: the next year, the next year, but I'm starting to

871
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 4: work on it, and like we were talking about, I'm

872
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: not afraid if it doesn't do anything or people don't

873
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 4: get it, or I'm like, well, what have I got

874
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: to prove anymore? Like I don't want to I mean,

875
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 4: I want it to be successful. I think that's the

876
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 4: hardest thing. When you've had a little us you set

877
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 4: this bar so high. But I think over the years,

878
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 4: I finally realized that, you know, I really just need

879
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: to make music that I love and that the fans

880
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: kind of can tell when you're when you're bullshit and

881
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 4: when you and when you're really into it. And so

882
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know if I would have

883
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: had the balls to chase this sound that I'm kind

884
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 4: of potentially going after.

885
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

886
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 4: I think it's just going to open up a different

887
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 4: way of looking at my career as well. And I

888
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 4: think I just appreciate a little bit more, you know.

889
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 4: I think I was kind of getting to this place

890
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: where I was like, all right, we've accomplished all we're

891
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: probably going to accomplish in our career, you know, probably

892
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 4: you know, and I'll go I'll have kind of like,

893
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: you know, I'll be Peter paying for the weekend, get hammered,

894
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 4: do these songs I've sang a million times, come back

895
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: home and get back to real life. And now I

896
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 4: look at it in a little bit of a different way,

897
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: you know.

898
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: So that's cool. I love that. It's so great, man,

899
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: that's so great. How is that first time on the

900
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: golf course?

901
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 4: On the golf course, I didn't know. Honestly.

902
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: It took au.

903
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 4: It took a few rounds, you know, because I was like,

904
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: you can't lie and say that a good little buzz

905
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: doesn't help. Yeah, probably me was a good little buzz

906
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 4: was great for a while, and then it turned into

907
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 4: where you couldn't see the fucking l.

908
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: Oh dude by the fourteentheenth You're like, ship, I overshot this, Yeah, you.

909
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 4: Got it was it was always a perfect balance you

910
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 4: had to maintain. But it hadn't heard my golf game. Honestly,

911
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm it took me a couple of rounds

912
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 4: to feel comfortable with it.

913
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 2: Well, what about just the Pavlovian aspect, like you you're

914
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: the golf that that wasn't there. You're like, oh, I'm good.

915
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: That took a few times. But like I, you know,

916
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 4: I always I have little treats like I started doing

917
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: like those little zen things I used to ever Doeen.

918
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 4: Of course I do those, and that's helped the little bit.

919
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 4: But like you know, I'll have like a whether it's

920
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 4: coke or a red Bull or something to make me

921
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: feel like I'm doing something bad for myself.

922
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so that's kind of helped.

923
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: But I the crazy thing is nobody, you know, I

924
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 4: was wondering if like my buddies will give a shit.

925
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 4: Nobody cares. Everybody's focused on their own drinking and their

926
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: own game and their own you know what I mean.

927
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, no one's like, oh dude, you're not

928
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 4: drinking today, Like no one. I mean, all my buddies

929
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: know anyways, but no one shit, Like no one cares.

930
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 4: And you know, so there's no like of that like

931
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 4: fitting in type of thing. But you know, there's definitely

932
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 4: not like that hanging out the golf course for three

933
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: hours after all. I don't know.

934
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: I see. It's funny because that's when I think about

935
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm talking. I'm talking as if I'm I've got a problem,

936
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: but I I don't. I don't think I do, honestly,

937
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: to be straight up, But there's a part of me

938
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: that's like, you're drinking not just too much, but I

939
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: feel like if I don't have a drink, I'm not

940
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: going to enjoy the moment. And when you get to

941
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: that point, then that's why I've been questioning myself, meaning

942
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: like same as you, I'm not. I mean, when I

943
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: get going, I can get going, you know what I mean.

944
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: And I hold my liquor very well. And it's not

945
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: like you would know I'm not an outrageous drunk any way,

946
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 2: you wouldn't probably even know. But I can put them back.

947
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: This idea of never drinking again is almost scary. It's like, well, well,

948
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: I have fun in my life, you know what I mean.

949
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: Like, I think self awareness is the biggest thing. I mean,

950
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: and you seemed like self aware of it. And so

951
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: I mean, even if whether it's this or another moment

952
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 4: can be something, just be like, Okay, I recognized that

953
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 4: this can get somewhere. Let's maybe hold it back here

954
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 4: and there in those moments. You know a lot of

955
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 4: a lot of my buddies, of course, when I went

956
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: through this or like, yeah, I need to start looking

957
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 4: at my drinking too. And I'm like, at the end

958
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 4: of the day. You know, I go back, I'm like, God,

959
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 4: I wish I could have just done this or this

960
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 4: or that. But the truth is, for me, it was

961
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 4: I tried that many times, like to just have two

962
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 4: or three drinks or just beer and wine no liquor.

963
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 4: To me, it was almost easier. And it's not like

964
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 4: just for everybody, but it was so much easier for

965
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 4: me is to just say all or nothing, Like I

966
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 4: to choose fuck my family, fuck everybody. I'm just it's

967
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: going to be all or you know, and like to

968
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 4: me it because it would just piss me off. Like

969
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: on certain night, like some days, I was fine to

970
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: just have two or three beers, but then like you know,

971
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 4: when we were out a nice dinner or somele thing

972
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 4: for you know, four or five hours, and it was

973
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: like I'd already had my my two or three drinks

974
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 4: and I'm like looking at my wife like kind I

975
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: just want to have a little bit more, And it

976
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: was like that almost pissed me off. War So it

977
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 4: was easy for me to just make that decision. But

978
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 4: I do think if if some people that kind of

979
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 4: you know, bust, that that have that that that little inkling,

980
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 4: that hey, maybe I need to control it, like if

981
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 4: I could have gone back and tried to rein it

982
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 4: in a little bit. But everything happens for reason, and

983
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 4: for me, it's it's been a great journey. But I

984
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 4: think you you know, I would just always just kind

985
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 4: of a sess it and kind of see see where

986
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 4: you're at with it, and seems like pretty self aware.

987
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I am, I am. Well we'll see. But

988
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: this has been an inspiring conversation for me too, man,

989
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: Like it's inspiring because, like you said, it doesn't you

990
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 2: don't have to be passed out in the fucking gutter. Yeah. Yeah.

991
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: An issue is just about assessing what you want in

992
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: your life, how you want to move forward, how you

993
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: want to feel. When you said, now you're a morning guy, like,

994
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: I love that, you know, it just feels so good

995
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: to wake up early and start your day and feel

996
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: great throughout the day. You know. I want to see

997
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: it up sometime too, man, I want let's let's do it.

998
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: I'll need a couple of side though, for sure.

999
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm I'm. I would love to. Are you

1000
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: you live in Nashville still?

1001
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1002
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I worked out, I did. I was on the

1003
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: show in Nashville for two years.

1004
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: I know it.

1005
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so I was. I lived there

1006
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: for a little bit. It was I love Nashville, dude.

1007
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 4: I think that show. People always ask me all the

1008
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 4: time because I've been in Nationville since two thousand and

1009
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 4: five and the amount of growth that happened, and I

1010
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 4: literally have said it in so many different interviews into

1011
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 4: people like that. I feel like it was this combination

1012
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 4: of the all Show Nashville and then like artists like

1013
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: you know, Luke Bryan, and like it was just something

1014
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: was happening. But I feel like that show Nashville created

1015
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: such an intrigue to the town, like this weird combination

1016
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 4: that the town just blew up, right that that kind of.

1017
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: A I mean, I bought a couple of homes in

1018
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: Cleveland Park, you know, back when I was doing the show,

1019
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: and it was kind of a distressed neighborhood kind of

1020
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: on the comp I did so well with those houses.

1021
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 2: The place blew up. I wanted to keep buying more houses.

1022
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't go wrong in Nashville right now.

1023
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time from this is fun. Yeah,

1024
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 2: this is great, man. Don't don't spare any baby.

1025
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 4: Lobsters, no more, no more.

1026
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: All right, brother, Well let's connect man when you if

1027
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: you come to La, let's figure it out' tee it up,

1028
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: all right, buddy, all right, brother, have fun. I think

1029
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: I made a new friend. Podcasting is so interesting, you know,

1030
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: because you know, you wake up, you got a podcast

1031
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: to do. To be honest, You're like, ah, fuck, man,

1032
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to do this. It's summer.

1033
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, I just want to go outside.

1034
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: You know.

1035
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's kind of a pain in the ass,

1036
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: you know. And then you you know, you get yourself

1037
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: to the computer and you set all your ship up

1038
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: and and boom on comes Charles, and uh, you've just

1039
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: spent a great hour talking to a great person who

1040
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: has inspired you and who could become a good friend.

1041
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: Like you know, it's it's amazing that way, it really is.

1042
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: So that was that was great. I had a lot

1043
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: of fun. And uh, yeah, maybe I need to go

1044
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: to the Feelings camp. I laughed because I cry, and

1045
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 2: I cry because I laugh. Anyway, all right, that's it.

1046
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: I love you, Yes,