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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy Monday, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the check podcast. It is February second, which means rising, shine, campers,

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Speaker 1: and shine, and don't forget your booties because it's cold

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Speaker 1: out there today. You know it's cold out there every day,

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Speaker 1: especially here in Washington. It's February second. And for those

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Speaker 1: and if those lines are already dancing in your head, congratulations.

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Speaker 1: You've also reenacted the opening scene of Groundhog Day, a

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Speaker 1: movie that I've always been obsessed with I love, and

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Speaker 1: I'll get to it in a minute. In the movie,

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Speaker 1: of Course, Bill Murray wakes up to the same cheery

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Speaker 1: voice on the clock radio, same song, same forced optimism,

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Speaker 1: same greeting, over and over and over again. At first

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Speaker 1: it's funny, then it's annoying, and then it becomes something

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Speaker 1: else entirely because let's just say, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of us in Washington feel like we've been living groundhog

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Speaker 1: Day in quite a few scenarios. But I'll get to that,

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Speaker 1: because the truly unsettling part about the movie Groundhog Day

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Speaker 1: just because you know it's coming. Right. Phil Connors knows

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Speaker 1: everybody of the day, He knows who's going to say what,

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Speaker 1: he knows when the puddle's going to splash him, he

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Speaker 1: knows how the conversations will end. And yet knowing it

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Speaker 1: doesn't fix it, right, you know, before nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 1: and I'm obsessed with this fact. In fact, I'm so

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Speaker 1: obsessed with this fact that every year when I was

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Speaker 1: every Groundhog Day, I ran the same two minute segment

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Speaker 1: ninety three Groundhog Day men exactly one thing in America,

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Speaker 1: a quirky weather ritual involving a groundhog in western Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: After the movie, it became a metaphor a shorthand for

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Speaker 1: repetition without progress, systems, stuck in a loop, reliving the

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Speaker 1: same arguments with the same outcomes. It's extraordinary cultural power.

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Speaker 1: Or for a movie that really wasn't a box office

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Speaker 1: always every year. I issued the exact same we ran

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Speaker 1: It was part of the gag, right, We made ourselves

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Speaker 1: on this joke. Evan Hirsch originally helped me conceive the segment.

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Speaker 1: and intelligence isn't enough. Something has to actually change, and

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Speaker 1: else changes. You have to do it because guess what,

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Speaker 1: when you popped on my podcast, you thought, boy, that

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Speaker 1: same damage, just a new calendar day. But here we

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Speaker 1: go again. Eyes are rolling about it, aren't they. Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's businesses are intersecting with foreign policy decisions again, same

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Speaker 1: pay to play questions, same ethical fog, same refusal to

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Speaker 1: draw clean lines. Democrats want another special election in a

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Speaker 1: deep red area again, same analysis, same wake up call language,

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Speaker 1: If you're wondering if a category three or four blue

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Speaker 1: wave is building. The Epstein files reminding us how forgiving

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Speaker 1: rich people are to each other, especially if they're rich people. Again,

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Speaker 1: same names, same silence, same selective accountability. Different headlines, same rhythms.

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Speaker 1: It feels like deja vu. That's because structurally it is

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Speaker 1: welcome to groundhog Day, Washington style. So here's the real

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Speaker 1: groundhog Day problem. It's the danger of living in a

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Speaker 1: groundhog Day moment politically. Think about how we've all dealt

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Speaker 1: scene of the drunk guy wanting flapjacks on Groundhog Day.

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Speaker 1: So the good news is in the movie the day

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Speaker 1: to go deeper into said story. It's a huge story.

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Speaker 1: Some of you may know about it. It was in

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to do a pretty thorough dive on this,

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Speaker 1: giving you the details, what's verified, what isn't verified, and

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Speaker 1: as you know, and I've said this multiple times, Congress

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to start with the following question, which

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Speaker 1: And I've told people this. I'm teaching a class called

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Speaker 1: Right now everything is a financial transaction. Now, every piece

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Speaker 1: maybe they deserve to be. The irony of what's happening

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Speaker 1: the second term is that the controversies this time, this

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Speaker 1: of this world Liberty Crypto company. So when foreign governments

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Speaker 1: can invest hundreds of millions into enterprises tied to a

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Speaker 1: sitting president's family, they suddenly have leverage and influence over

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Speaker 1: said sitting president's family when the same people negotiating US

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Speaker 1: national security policy are also sitting on the boards of

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Speaker 1: those companies. When pardons, chips, and capital all start moving

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Speaker 1: in parallel, the distinction between public service and private gain

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Speaker 1: isn't just blurred, it's gone completely erased. And once that

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Speaker 1: line goes with it, so it's all trust. All trust

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Speaker 1: is gone. So this is not about a partisan concern.

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Speaker 1: This is a constitutional one elected Republican that is sitting

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Speaker 1: in Congress right now, who last year and the year

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Speaker 1: before had serious concerns about people buying paintings from Hunter Biden,

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Speaker 1: about whether Joe Biden was on a phone call with

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Speaker 1: private Chinese businessmen or Ukrainian businessman when Hunter Biden was

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Speaker 1: in the room. If any of those things concerned you,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt

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Speaker 1: and assume this would concern you no matter what. So

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Speaker 1: James Comer, I certainly am not. I'm not going I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming that your Comber's of the world, your Jim Jordan's

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Speaker 1: of the world, are just going to look the other way.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm hoping we don't have a

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Speaker 1: groundhog Day response to this, because this is I have

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Speaker 1: said that the worst financial scandal in American history was Teapot.

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Speaker 1: Don't this right here alone because of the national security

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Speaker 1: concerns that we all have, and if losing the AI

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Speaker 1: race to China is literally our country's life or death,

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Speaker 1: is it gets framed by many of our political leaders,

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Speaker 1: both Democrats and Republicans, then Donald Trump just signed our

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Speaker 1: death warrant in order to get rich off of it.

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Speaker 1: At a minimum. If Congress wants any credibility ever again,

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Speaker 1: and they don't have any credibility because of how feckless

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Speaker 1: they've been for forty years, and they are at the

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Speaker 1: heart of essentially screwing up this country, polarizing it. It

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Speaker 1: is on Congress more than any other body. A lot

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Speaker 1: of other people contributed. Congress is at the center of

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Speaker 1: the shit storm we've all had been dealing with. Right

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Speaker 1: their inability to even deal with regular legislation, punting stuff

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Speaker 1: to the executive you know, giving too much power to

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Speaker 1: the executive branch, forcing the courts to be the place

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Speaker 1: to decide legislation. This goes back to desegregation. This is

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Speaker 1: fifty years. This is seventy years now of fecklessness, and

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Speaker 1: some of you know I do. I think it goes

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Speaker 1: back to Congress's decision to no longer be as responsive

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Speaker 1: to the public, meaning congressional districts are too big and

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Speaker 1: they're not as responsive to the public. But this is

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Speaker 1: if Congress, if the Oversight Committee is not investigating this

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Speaker 1: with real rigor, honestly, the FBI should open up an investigation.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday they won't. I I said to myself, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: going to assume the worst. I want to believe that

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Speaker 1: this is so alarming to people, and I know, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry this doesn't have pedophilia involved in it, and maybe

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Speaker 1: more people would pay attention if it did. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not dismissing the Epstein files. This is undermining the sovereignty

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Speaker 1: of the United States. This is allowing everything to be

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Speaker 1: put up for sale. It is you don't need a

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Speaker 1: beautiful mind or clear danes in homeland to put together

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Speaker 1: this board of people that are all connected to each other.

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Speaker 1: It's all laid out, it's all there, it's all simple.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not even that they don't even they don't

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Speaker 1: even try that hard to hide it. It's corruption right

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Speaker 1: in front of your face. So remember with Groundhog Day,

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Speaker 1: nothing's going to change unless you are determined to change it.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna sneak in a break and when

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Speaker 1: we come back my conversation, another candidate running for office.

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Speaker 1: As you know, i'd love to meet these statewide candidates.

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Speaker 1: I speaking with doctor Annie Andrews. She is a doctor

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Speaker 1: who has run for Congress. Ran for a Charleston House

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Speaker 1: seat in twenty twenty two against Nancy May. She came

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Speaker 1: up short there, and now she is running against Lindsey

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Speaker 1: Graham for the US Senate. It's not peel battle. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a skeptic in general, but South Carolina with the

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Speaker 1: right amount of investment, you never know. But we spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time talking about health because that's why

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Speaker 1: she decided to run. She wasn't a political person until basically,

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Speaker 1: you know, the COVID debacle, and you know South Carolina

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Speaker 1: is home to the largest measles outbreak since we supposedly

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Speaker 1: declared measles eradicated. So this I am I'm not. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's an uphill battle for her. But boy, all of

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Speaker 1: the current issuees impacting South Carolinians at the moment are

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Speaker 1: certainly playing against a Republican incumbent and winning reelection. So

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Speaker 1: we'll sneaking a break and we'll come back. Get to know,

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Speaker 1: any Drews. Having good life insurance is incredibly important. I

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Speaker 1: us in the best shape. My mother, single mother, now widow,

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Speaker 1: myself sixteen trying to figure out how am I going

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Speaker 1: had one life insurance policy that we found wasn't a lot,

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Speaker 1: but it was important at the time, and it's why

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Speaker 1: I was able to go to college. Little did he

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Speaker 1: know how important that would be in that moment. Well

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Speaker 1: guess what. That's why I am here to tell you

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Speaker 1: life insurance is something you should really think about, especially

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Speaker 1: if you've got a growing family. Well. As many of

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Speaker 1: you know, I like to get as many candidates running

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Speaker 1: for office as possible, particularly for governor or Senate in general,

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Speaker 1: especially in states that I think are sort of under

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Speaker 1: a bit overlooked, underrated in their competitiveness, and that is

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Speaker 1: the focus today. I've got doctor Annie Andrews. She is

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Speaker 1: the likely Democratic nominee, say likely because nothing's official yet

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Speaker 1: they haven't had their primary, but the likely Democratic nominee

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Speaker 1: to challenge Senator Lindsay Graham this campaign year. When last

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Speaker 1: Week checked on Lindsay Graham's Senate campaign was back in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I think some people in South Carolina might

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Speaker 1: be mildly surprised he's running again. Then again, the Lindsay

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Speaker 1: Graham I know, I don't know if he's ever going

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Speaker 1: to leave his Senate seat voluntarily. Some entity or somebody

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Speaker 1: is will will decide when the end of his relationship

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Speaker 1: with that Senate seed happens. Doctor Andrews hopes it is

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Speaker 1: her and the voters of South Carolina in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to do a little get to know you,

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Speaker 1: doctor Andrews. Thanks for coming on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you suck.

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Speaker 1: Let me just start with what I like to know

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Speaker 1: about anybody running for office is when's the first time

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Speaker 1: you ever thought about it.

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Speaker 3: My on ramp into politics was pretty quick. I decided

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Speaker 3: to be a doctor when I was four so my

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Speaker 3: whole life was built around this goal.

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Speaker 1: When you were a kid and you guys were you know,

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Speaker 1: and everybody, you know, I think, you know, some people

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Speaker 1: want to be police officers, some people want to be

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Speaker 1: the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. That might have

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Speaker 1: been me. You know, you wanted to be the doctor,

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Speaker 1: that's right, like it was.

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Speaker 2: It was my dream from a very very young age.

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Speaker 3: I told my preschool teacher one day, I want to

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Speaker 3: grow up and be a doctor and a mommy with

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Speaker 3: three kids, which is exactly what I am. So I

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Speaker 3: never had political aspirations, never really felt connected to politics.

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Speaker 3: I was in my twenties when Obama was first elected,

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Speaker 3: and that was my first real political memory where I

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Speaker 3: felt like, oh, I understand how this is impacting my life,

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Speaker 3: and I realize I'm saying that from a position of

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Speaker 3: privilege in the way that I was raised. But then

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Speaker 3: the more time I spent working in children's hospitals, the

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Speaker 3: more I started to understand the nitty gritty of the

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Speaker 3: relationship between policies and the well being of kids and families.

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Speaker 3: And then I started to understand I can advocate all

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Speaker 3: day long until I'm blue in the face to the

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Speaker 3: legislators in Columbia, South Carolina. But until we start winning elections,

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Speaker 3: and until we start electing people who inherently care about kids,

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Speaker 3: the advocacy is only going to get us so far.

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Speaker 3: So once I realized politics was the answer, then I

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Speaker 3: started to look around the room and I thought, you

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Speaker 3: know what, I am qualified to run for office. And

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Speaker 3: so the moment that seed was planted, it was a

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Speaker 3: matter of weeks before I launched my first campaign, which

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Speaker 3: of course was back in twenty twenty one when I

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Speaker 3: ran against Nancy Mace for Congress.

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Speaker 1: I want to go to something in your medical education,

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Speaker 1: because this is something that I've been advocating in journalism schools,

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Speaker 1: which is that more upstart reporters need to understand the

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Speaker 1: business of media and need to understand the different ways

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Speaker 1: that you know, you can get journalism paid for and

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Speaker 1: things like that, because there's in some ways been that

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Speaker 1: naivete has sort of led to I think that the

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Speaker 1: disaster we're dealing with in the information ecosystem. When you're studying,

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Speaker 1: when you're in med school, you know, do you remember

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Speaker 1: taking a class about sort of you know, how healthcare

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Speaker 1: is paid for in this country? Who pays who doesn't

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Speaker 1: what's covered? What isn't? I see you shaking your head.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing to me because I find I've asked this

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Speaker 1: of other doctors too, and it's always the same answer.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 3: We could talk for an entire hour about this and

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Speaker 3: how it has led us to the moment we find

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Speaker 3: ourselves in with this coordinated attack on our healthcare system,

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Speaker 3: doctors and medical organizations being caught totally flat footed, with

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Speaker 3: RFK Junior ascending to lead HHS. You know, there's not

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Speaker 3: a lot of time, honestly, in medical school to learn

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Speaker 3: anything other than how to be an effective safe.

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Speaker 1: Physical science is everything, right, That's ninety five percent of

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Speaker 1: your focus is learning everything you can about the science

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Speaker 1: of medicine right.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right.

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Speaker 3: And the other five percent is working on your communication skills,

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Speaker 3: because if you don't know how to communicate with other

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Speaker 3: human beings, then you're going to be a terrible physician.

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Speaker 3: But I hope that folks who are in charge of

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Speaker 3: medical school curricula, residency curricula, you know, graduate medical education

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Speaker 3: and continuing medical education, that we're starting to understand what

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Speaker 3: happens when we abdicate our seat at the table. When

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Speaker 3: we abdicate any responsibility in the policymaking process or in

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Speaker 3: the political process. Travel all around this country and talk

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Speaker 3: to audiences of medical students and pediatric residents about the

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Speaker 3: need to engage in politics on behalf of America's children.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, it's it's like brand new

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Speaker 3: news every time I say it, and it is a

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Speaker 3: it has done, you know, great discredit to where we

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Speaker 3: are as a country in regards to our healthcare system

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Speaker 3: and our health care policy.

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Speaker 1: I've spoken at quite a few of the associations over

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Speaker 1: the years, whether it's you know, maybe I'll have your

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Speaker 1: pediatric association, just the different specialties in the medical field

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Speaker 1: that will have a DC meaning and I will have

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Speaker 1: I will engage in this conversation. And it really is

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Speaker 1: self selecting, right. You have you have the physicians like

642
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Speaker 1: yourself who sort of realize, hey, we kind of have

643
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: to be whether you want to be or not, it

644
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You kind of have to be because this

645
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: is the system. And then there are others who just

646
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Speaker 1: and I get this. I think it's people who really know,

647
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: they're really know the science, who think it's absurd that

648
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: they have to listen to a bunch of civilians you

649
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Speaker 1: know nothing about healthcare, telling them protocol.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you know, pediatricians really should be leading the

651
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: way because kids are not inherently politically powerful. They can't vote,

652
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 3: they don't have four oh one k's, they can't write

653
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: checks to candidates. So really, pediatricians should have been doing

654
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Speaker 3: this for decades, engaging in politics on behalf of America's children.

655
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Speaker 3: But it may surprise you to learn that the pediatric organization,

656
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Speaker 3: the American Academy of Pediatrics, is really the only large

657
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Speaker 3: national medical organization that represents a medical specialty that does

658
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: not have a political action committee. So they've actually explicitly

659
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Speaker 3: chosen not to engage in politics in ways that other

660
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: specialists like orthopedic surgeons, radiologists, ante caesiologists, they all have

661
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Speaker 3: political action committees.

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Speaker 2: Pediatricians don't.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's because of some naive notion that

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Speaker 3: no matter their party, lawmakers do inherently care about kids

665
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Speaker 3: and will take votes in the best interest of children.

666
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Speaker 3: But you know, now we find ourselves in a moment

667
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Speaker 3: where the Medicaid program has been gutted by Trump's budget bill,

668
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: which is you know, medicated is the largest insurer of

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Speaker 3: children in this country. Our routine immunization schedule has been

670
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Speaker 3: thrown out the window. And so this is an incredibly

671
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Speaker 3: urgent moment for America's children.

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Speaker 2: And one of the reasons we find.

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Speaker 3: Ourselves in this place is because pediatricians have not collectively

674
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Speaker 3: effectively engaged in politics.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of pediatricians, the said organization you just talked to,

676
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: actually just made a big proclamation. We're taping on Monday,

677
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: January twenty sixth. This may era in a couple of days,

678
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: but they just came out and recommended, essentially in this

679
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: uncomfortable position to have to essentially disagree with the government

680
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: regulation and wreck you know, the recommending, I believe vaccination

681
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Speaker 1: against at least eleven diseases, including polio, which I didn't

682
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Speaker 1: know we were done. You know that suddenly people decided

683
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Speaker 1: that we shouldn't vaccinate for that anymore? Do you think

684
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Speaker 1: you know there's there's no there is no debate like

685
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Speaker 1: the new mom debate and the new parent debate that

686
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Speaker 1: can take place right And you know, look, Mike both

687
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: I'm an empty nester for the first time this year,

688
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: and my back is paying the price since I had

689
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: no helpers for shoveling snow, But I remember that new

690
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: parenting feel and the empowerment. No, no, no, no, I'm going

691
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Speaker 1: to I'm going to go make these decisions. I couldn't

692
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Speaker 1: think of a worse time and a worse moment to

693
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Speaker 1: mess with parents' heads than when they're right at the

694
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Speaker 1: start of this and you have the government saying one thing,

695
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Speaker 1: you're pediatrician saying another. The pediatrician maybe association and the

696
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Speaker 1: pediatrician aren't one hundred percent on the same page. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this feels like a nightmare that

698
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Speaker 1: we won't realize how bad it is for what about

699
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Speaker 1: five years, ten years, when these diseases make their way

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Speaker 1: into the the system.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I have so much empathy and sympathy for

702
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Speaker 3: new parents right now because they're navigating, as you just described,

703
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: this moment where we can't trust medical recommendations coming from

704
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Speaker 3: our federal government, and we also can't trust the information

705
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: we're consuming online. And as you know, like new parents,

706
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: they're up all night, they're scrolling on their phones, they're

707
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: watching reels on Instagram, and they can't tell the difference

708
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: between a board certified pediatrician and some wellness influencer who's

709
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: trying to sell them something. And so what I urge

710
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: parents to do is go to talk to your pediatrician,

711
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: that is your trusted source of information. And as you

712
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Speaker 3: just said, the AAP made a big announcement today releasing

713
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Speaker 3: their own vaccination schedule, which is pretty much exactly the

714
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Speaker 3: pre RFK Junior CDC vaccination schedule, just to say that

715
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: we disagree with the recommendations coming from RFK Junior and HHS,

716
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: and here are the vaccines that we recommend. And this

717
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: schedule they released has been endorsed by I think eleven

718
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: or twelve other major national medical organizations. So this is

719
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: the one that parents need to follow because this is

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Speaker 3: the evidence based vaccine recommendation schedule that is following the science,

721
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Speaker 3: unlike what we're hearing from RFK Junior and AHHS.

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Speaker 1: There anything that Kennedy and his supporters have complained about

723
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Speaker 1: with the federal government that has merit in your review.

724
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Speaker 3: So this is what's so insidious about what he's doing,

725
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: is he's making these big broad statements about, you know,

726
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 3: we need healthier food, we need to get artificial dies

727
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: out of our food, we need, you know, children to

728
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 3: be more active, and pediatricians have been shouting these things

729
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 3: from the rooftops forever, but he's combining that and then

730
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: like laundering these anti science, anti intellectual concepts into that,

731
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 3: like this anti vaccine movement, and so it becomes very

732
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Speaker 3: difficult for people to piece apart what we should be

733
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: listening to and what we shouldn't. But this campaign that

734
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Speaker 3: we heard him announce a week or so ago, this

735
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Speaker 3: eat real food. First of all, that's a terrible motto.

736
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Speaker 3: But second of all, there are systemic barriers to so

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Speaker 3: many kids and families in this country accessing real food.

738
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Speaker 3: So many children in my state of South Carolina live

739
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Speaker 3: in food deserts, Grocery prices are through the roof, and

740
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Speaker 3: so yes, we all want kids to eat more whole foods,

741
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: fruits and vegetables, whole grains. All of that sounds amazing,

742
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: but we need policy solutions to address the barriers to

743
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: achieve these, like you know slogans that they come up with,

744
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: like eat real food.

745
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Speaker 1: How did you deal with doctor Internet with your patients,

746
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of doctors, I mean there's

747
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: nothing like doctor Internet. Well doctor Internet told me this, right,

748
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Speaker 1: And I think you know, I'm being for those wondering

749
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Speaker 1: why do I keep referring who's doctor Internet. What I'm

750
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: being is the whole You know, you search something, whether

751
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: it's WebMD or whatever. Well, I read this on the

752
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: Internet about this drug, right, you know, how did you

753
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: handle doctor Internet?

754
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Speaker 3: So it goes back to what I was saying before,

755
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: which is the other thing aside from science you have

756
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: to learn in your medical training is communication skills. It's

757
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: sitting down and meeting parents where they are looking them

758
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: eye to eye, understanding that they, of course are trying

759
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 3: to do what's in the best interest of their children,

760
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 3: and meeting them in that place and then slowly finding compromise.

761
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: And you know, it is not difficult navigating these conversations

762
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 3: with vaccine hesitant parents.

763
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Speaker 2: It is.

764
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Speaker 3: It is a challenge, but it is a challenge that

765
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: pediatricians all across this country have risen up to meet.

766
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Speaker 2: And you know, we're going to have to keep doing this.

767
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Speaker 3: And the other thing we have to do to combat

768
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Speaker 3: the doctor Internet phenomenon is pediatricians like me need to

769
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 3: take up space on the Internet. We need to use

770
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: our own social media profiles to push back against this disinformation.

771
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate that you're willing to do that, But

772
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: why should you have to do that? Like you know

773
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: I and this is where you know the information ecosystem.

774
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, look, I've this is the obligation

775
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: I feel as a journalist, and you feel this obligation.

776
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: You know, we don't want to see people end up

777
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: in self harm when it could be have been prevented.

778
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Speaker 1: And yet you know you can't chase every squirrel.

779
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: That's right.

780
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: I mean, we shouldn't have to do it, but we

781
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 3: see every day in real life in our clinics, in

782
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 3: our hospital rooms, than negative downstream consequences if we don't

783
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 3: do it.

784
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Speaker 2: You know, kids who.

785
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 3: Have preventable infectious diseases, things as simple as you know

786
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: the flu and RSV that are causing children to be

787
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 3: critically ill when if they had been vaccinated, they might

788
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: not have gotten sick when they got that virus. So,

789
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Speaker 3: you know, it's the reality of working in a clinical

790
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: setting every day that drives us to find whatever solutions

791
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: we can to prevent unnecessary illness and suffering in kids.

792
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Speaker 1: Are you still practicing while you're running for office or

793
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: if you had to suspend your practice?

794
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Speaker 3: For me, right now, I'm working very part time and

795
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: I'm a hospital based pediatrician. So I work in a hospital,

796
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 3: a children's hospital setting really a few days a month,

797
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: and then towards the end of the campaign, I'll take

798
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Speaker 3: a full leave of absence from that job. But I

799
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: find it keeps me very tethered to the reasons I'm

800
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: engaging in this political world to begin with, to be

801
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 3: able to walk into a hospital and talk to real

802
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: kids and families who are struggling.

803
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Speaker 1: One more question on the and the sort of the

804
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: business of medicine. And I was talking with somebody because

805
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Speaker 1: I find one of the head scratchers to me is

806
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Speaker 1: why it's more profitable to run a not for profit

807
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: hospital system than it is to run a for profit

808
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: hospital system. And you're maybe your tax code's messed up

809
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: if that's how this works out. But I had somebody

810
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: else say that a lot of times with these not

811
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Speaker 1: for profits, that we're we're building the wrong hospitals, and

812
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: that some of these children's hospitals, while good and well intended,

813
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: are a misuse of resources. Have you found that to

814
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: be the case in some not in every case, but

815
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Speaker 1: in some cases.

816
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Speaker 3: I think really the root of the problem is we're

817
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: still driven by the more you do the more you

818
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Speaker 3: get paid in healthcare. We don't have a quality driven

819
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: healthcare system. So the more surgical procedures you do, the

820
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Speaker 3: more radiolized.

821
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Speaker 1: You're not rewarded for keeping people from getting sick. You're

822
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Speaker 1: just rewarded from treating people who already are.

823
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Speaker 2: Sicked, right, exactly, exactly.

824
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Speaker 3: And until we adopt something akin to universal health care,

825
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: we're never going to have each individual payer and health

826
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Speaker 3: care system engaging in this movement to have quality driven

827
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Speaker 3: health care metrics, and so we're going to keep chasing

828
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 3: our own tail. And that's that's really at the core

829
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: of the problem in our healthcare system.

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Speaker 1: So your motivation to run is to speak out on

831
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Speaker 1: health care issues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it really yeah, I mean it started

833
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: as you know, we clearly need a voice for children.

834
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Speaker 3: There's never been a pediatrician senator. There's one pediatrician member

835
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: of the US House, doctor Kim Schreier from Washington eight.

836
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Speaker 3: It became really clear to me that children don't have

837
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: a seat at the table, and that was my original

838
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 3: motivation to engage in politics, to advocate for all the

839
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: policies that benefit kids, whether it's an expanded child tax credit,

840
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, addressing these food deserts. We talked

841
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: about whether it's addressing gun violence, the leading cause of

842
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 3: death for children in this country, whether it's addressing climate change,

843
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: which is the greatest existential crisis our kids face, or

844
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: addressing our healthcare system. But of course that was back

845
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: in the early twenty twenties, and now here we find

846
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: ourselves in a moment where our healthcare system is being

847
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: led by RFK Junior, who's a grifter and conspiracy theorist.

848
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Speaker 3: And then we've got doctor Oz, a TV doctor heading CMS,

849
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: and we are seeing this unprecedented and coordinated attack on

850
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 3: all aspects of our healthcare system. So now, yes, I

851
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 3: find my calling to stay engaged in politics, to run

852
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: against Lindsey Graham, to be to fix America's broken healthcare system.

853
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: So now I want to get into a little raw politics.

854
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Speaker 1: What have you learned about the state of the Democratic

855
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: Party in South Carolina over your now five years being

856
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: sort of an active participant as a candidate. You said

857
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Speaker 1: you started in twenty one, so you're on your fifth

858
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: year and it's the year after the Jamie Harrison debacle.

859
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to call it, because when

860
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Speaker 1: you have that much money and you still lose by

861
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: the same amount that no money would have gotten. That's

862
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: a debacle, that's a misuse of resources. Who knows, you know,

863
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: whether it was wasted money or just misspent whatever we

864
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: want to look at it, but it was clearly money

865
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Speaker 1: did not translate into votes. What have you learned about

866
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: the state of the Democratic Party in South Carolina both

867
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Speaker 1: as an organization and as a brand.

868
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Speaker 3: So as an organization, I would say, you know, to

869
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 3: use your word overlooked and under resourced, and those two

870
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: things go hand in hand. And it has been frustrating

871
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 3: for me as a candidate who in a different state

872
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: would be able to rely on the state party for

873
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 3: various you know, infrastructure aspects that could really help build

874
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Speaker 3: a statewide campaign.

875
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: But I see that as a challenge.

876
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a child advocate and a gun violence

877
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: prevention advocate from southeast I love a good challenge. I

878
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 3: am scrappy, So I see my campaign's role in helping

879
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: to build that infrastructure across the state, along with some

880
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: of the you know, great Democratic leaders that we do

881
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: have in the state of South Carolina. But also to

882
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 3: your question about the brand, is we have a huge

883
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: brand problem for the Democratic Party in South Carolina. When

884
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 3: people ask the easiest way for me to win, the

885
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: answer is to erase the D behind my head.

886
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was going to be my next question.

887
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest with you. I wouldn't have

888
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: advised you to run as a Democratic. Run as an independent.

889
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: Nobody trusts an institutional controlled media, right shareholders. Independent is

890
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: a halo. And I think and look at what more

891
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: people are registering today as no party than as any

892
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: other you know, unaffiliated, whatever you want to call it.

893
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: So there's clearly a distrust of both parties. So independent

894
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: would certainly align you with where voters under forty five are.

895
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean as from a pragmatic standpoint, though there's

896
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 3: so many challenges to running as an independent. And you know,

897
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 3: despite maybe some differences in strategy and frustrations with strategy

898
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: from the party, you know where the Democratic Party stands

899
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: on the issues that I care so deeply about.

900
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: I am very much aligned.

901
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 3: And I think that me running as you know, a

902
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: political outsider, as a pediatrician, as a mom, as you know,

903
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 3: an active member of my community, I can help rebuild

904
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 3: the brand of Democrat here in South Carolina and one

905
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 3: of the biggest systemic barriers, systematic barriers we face, Chuck,

906
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: that I'm sure you're aware of. You know, we still

907
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: have party you know, single party voting. You can walk

908
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: into the voting booth and get Republican button, straight ticket

909
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: thank you, straight ticket voting, and that is a huge barrier.

910
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: But as you.

911
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 3: Said, so many people under the age of forty forty

912
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 3: five are independent minded, and I'm optimistic that more of

913
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: them are going to walk into the voting booth in

914
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 3: November twenty twenty in South Carolina and not just align

915
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: themselves with a party, but go through every single race

916
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 3: and pick the candidate that they find is most aligned

917
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: with their values.

918
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: When I look one of the things being a sort

919
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: of data doorc as I always look at sort of

920
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: like which states, especially from either side of the aisle,

921
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: could be states that the other party could have success

922
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: in if they spend a little time organizing and this

923
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: or that. In the Deep South, the two states that

924
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: have always stood out to me are Mississippi and South Carolina,

925
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: and they both have one similarity in common. There's a

926
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: under activated rural African American voter that for a variety

927
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: of reasons hasn't felt very either engaged by the party.

928
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 1: I think my thesis is, you know, when Democrats wrote

929
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: off rural America in the Midwest, they kind of It's

930
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 1: not an accident to me that the first Latino voters

931
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: they lost were the rural Latinos in South Texas, the

932
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: first African Americans they lost were rural African Americans and

933
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: joy and in the Deep South. That it really is

934
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: a geographic disconnect more than it is identity politics. I

935
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, watching you know, the South Carolina Party, They've

936
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: just never you know, and I know Jamie Harrison will

937
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: text me and say that's not true. I threw money

938
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: at this, and I did this, and I did this,

939
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he tried. I'm not. I don't want

940
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: to discount that he didn't. But there's always seems to

941
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: be this. There's a huge under registrated vote in the

942
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: state of South Carolina. What have you learned over the

943
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: last five years as to why it's They've been hard

944
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: to activate, hard to build trust with.

945
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: Because we show up and ask for their vote, and

946
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 3: objectively speaking, nothing has gotten better for them in South

947
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: Carolina for decades, and Democrats find ourselves in a really

948
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: difficult position because we have, you know, a deeply jerrymandered

949
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 3: state legislature that is, you know, a super majority Republicans.

950
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 3: So even when a Democrat is elected to serve in

951
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: the congressional delegation, things at the state House are not

952
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: going well. And so life for rural black South Carolinians

953
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: is not going well. So it takes sort of decades

954
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: of building to show real progress and show real results

955
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: from any given election. And so I don't blame someone

956
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 3: for saying, why would I.

957
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: Bother to vote?

958
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: You know, you asked me for my vote. I show

959
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: up and vote, and you know, nothing has gotten better.

960
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: My kids' school isn't any better, my access to food

961
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 3: isn't any better, my healthcare is getting worse.

962
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: So you know, the answer to that is not glamorous.

963
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 3: You know, this is the really unglamorous part of politics,

964
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: which is just showing up in rural communities not a

965
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: month before the election, eighteen months before the election, and

966
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: three months after the election, and making connections, listening first.

967
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: And you know, then when you are able to.

968
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: Deliver results, you have to come back and close that

969
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 3: loop and tell people what it is you did to

970
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: help to make their lives better. But it is a

971
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: huge challenge and one that is you know, it's one

972
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: of the reasons my campaign needs the resources to overcome

973
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 3: that challenge, because there's enough voters in the state who

974
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: are aligned with the things I'm fighting for, but they

975
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: just are very difficult and expensive to reach.

976
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, South Carolina is surrounded by swing states right Georgia

977
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: to the south, North Carolina to the north, and here

978
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: they are. So it's it's like, you know, this isn't

979
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: like somehow there's some magical aspect in South Carolina that

980
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: those voters aren't swinging either. I just it just feels

981
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: as if they're not treated as swing voters. They're not,

982
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: they're votes not. Let me ask it this way, what

983
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: did you observe in the Jamie Harrison campaign that you

984
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: don't want to replicate?

985
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: I mean, a global pandemic? I mean really, at the

986
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: end of.

987
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: The day, although that is why he raised thirty why

988
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: he raised nearly one hundred million dollars, right and.

989
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure he would say until he's blue

990
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: in the face that he would have been better off

991
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: with twenty million dollars in no pandemic, because you cannot

992
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 3: those voters.

993
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: We were just talking about.

994
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: If you can't knock on people's doors, and his campaign

995
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: had really no field operation because of the pandemic. He

996
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: also had Donald Trump on the ballot, and Donald Trump

997
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: is ten points more popular than Lindsay Graham in the

998
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: state of South Carolina. So there's two like really objective

999
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: things that make twenty twenty six so much different than

1000
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 3: twenty twenty And I think if we overcome, you know,

1001
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 3: because of that, this is a totally different landscape.

1002
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: So let's go to the Let's talk about the voter

1003
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: you've got to win over, which is a voter that

1004
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: supported Donald Trump. You got to win a chunk of them.

1005
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: We can you know, we can play the math game.

1006
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: Is a ten percent of your final vote fifteen percent?

1007
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: You know, at a point you got to win a

1008
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: chunk of them. Who is there a you know, how

1009
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: are you trying to talk to that voter? And who

1010
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: is that voter in your head?

1011
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 3: I like how you just tried to like avoid the

1012
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: conversation about math that I was definitely going to go

1013
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 3: down if you.

1014
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: Didn't do that.

1015
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 3: So that voter is actually very similar to my own dad,

1016
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 3: who lives down the street from me, he never voted

1017
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: for Donald Trump, but he was a lifelong Republican and

1018
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 3: still would look at you and say, he's a Republican.

1019
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 3: He's never going to be a Democrat. But he is

1020
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: appalled by several things. First, Lindsey Graham wearing a Trump

1021
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight hat. You know, these blatantly unconstitutional things

1022
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 3: that Lindsay Graham is promoting, because Trump wants him to

1023
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: really fly in the face of these, you know, more

1024
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 3: serious minded center right Mitt Romney, John McCain type Republicans,

1025
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: of which there are very many here in South Carolina,

1026
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 3: particularly in our urban centers and Charleston, Colombia.

1027
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: Graham would associate himself with that description, or he would

1028
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: have at one time.

1029
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 3: He absolutely would have. And I say in my stump speech,

1030
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 3: if Lindsay Graham was the same man he was twenty

1031
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 3: three years ago when first elected to the US Senate,

1032
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 3: I would not be in this race because I would say,

1033
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 3: you know what, that's probably a pretty good representative for

1034
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 3: the state of South Carolina. But that is not who

1035
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 3: he is. Because Lindsay Graham is a follower, not a leader.

1036
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 3: He used to follow John McCain, and now unfortunately he's

1037
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 3: following the loudest, most dangerous voice in the room, which

1038
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 3: is Donald Trump. So between the Trump twenty twenty eight,

1039
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 3: between the ridiculous war mongering that Lindsay Graham is doing

1040
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 3: that turns off so many of these more traditional Mitt

1041
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 3: Romney type Republicans, not to mention everything we're seeing in

1042
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 3: Minneapolis with DHS and Ice and so there are so

1043
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 3: many like serious minded former Republicans, former Trump Republicans, who

1044
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 3: are deeply offended by Lindsay Graham. And Lindsay Graham is

1045
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 3: really Trump's lapdog. Like no one has tied themselves tighter

1046
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 3: to Donald Trump, I would argue than Lindsay Graham has.

1047
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 3: So if you're appalled by this Trump two point zero administration,

1048
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 3: chances are you're appalled by Lindsay Graham. And there are

1049
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 3: enough of those people who then see me as number

1050
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 3: one and outsider number two, an intelligent person who can

1051
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 3: communicate clearly, and a reasonable alternative to yet another six

1052
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 3: years of Lindsay Graham.

1053
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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting to me that Nicky Haley, whose

1054
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: politics I would have assumed we're closer to Trump's than

1055
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham's. And it's Nicki Haley that's seen as less

1056
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: sort of close to Trump, and it's Lindsay Graham that

1057
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: is seen as more close to Trump. Is that surprise you?

1058
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 3: Yes, I had so much hope there. There was a

1059
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 3: moment where it's so much hope that Nicki Haley was

1060
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 3: going to be the one was going to be the

1061
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: one to stand up to Trump.

1062
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: Until for that I think she did speaking of a

1063
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: math problem. She had a math.

1064
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: Problem, that's right.

1065
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: And I'm just still a Pollyanna because I'm a pediatrician,

1066
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: not a politician. But I just had so much hope

1067
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 3: that she was going to be the one with the

1068
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 3: moral clarity to stand up. And if she had done that,

1069
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 3: I really think she could be, you know, the leader

1070
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 3: of whatever the Republican Party becomes once we're done with

1071
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: this Maga era of Republican Party.

1072
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: I think she didn't do enough. You think she should

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Speaker 1: have been more out spoken? Yes, man, No, I look,

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Speaker 1: it's well no for sure whether she was right or

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Speaker 1: wrong about that, whether we're right or wrong about that

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Speaker 1: in a few more years. But I get what kind

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Speaker 1: of let me let me ask you this. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's you're not wrong in identifying South Carolina in many ways,

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Speaker 1: is always looking for a form of disruptor. Mark Sandford

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Speaker 1: and Nicki Haley were not of the establishment. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they were both right, there's this weird Columbia establishment that

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Speaker 1: is somehow very hard to break through. It can be

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Speaker 1: a little uniparty even at times. And then there's this

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Speaker 1: outside And Sandford was an outsider and Niki Haley was

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Speaker 1: an outsider. You might argue Jim Hodges was an insider ironically,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, I don't, I mean, I you know,

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Speaker 1: So what what do you make of the fact that

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Speaker 1: a Nikki Haley and a and a Mark Sandford were

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Speaker 1: able to win statewide races as Republicans running as outsiders

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Speaker 1: and that was a real appeal although it was a

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Speaker 1: divided Republican party in both instances.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right, you know, I hear a

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Speaker 3: lot of people describe South Carolina is having like a

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Speaker 3: very strong libertarian streak as well.

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Speaker 1: There have been some libertarians that have been wanting to

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Speaker 1: make South Carolina they're the avatar for libertarian living. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna all move to side that There was a

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Speaker 1: movement I think about twenty years ago when the Internet

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Speaker 1: first started to try to create movements, all Libertarians moved

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Speaker 1: to South Carolina. We will elect the first real you

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Speaker 1: know ininn Ron dream government, right, and never quite happened.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we like to be to our own drum

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Speaker 3: down here. We like to do things differently. But I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, that's why Lindsay Graham's in so much trouble,

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Speaker 3: because he is like the poster child of a DC

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Speaker 3: swamp creature. You know, he's a twenty three year incumbent senator,

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Speaker 3: he was in the House before that. He is just

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Speaker 3: like so deeply entrenched in the DC establishment now and

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Speaker 3: the establishment of the Republican Party. And South Carolinians don't

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Speaker 3: stand for that. And they also see that he's just

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Speaker 3: never here. He's never talking about South Carolina when he

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Speaker 3: should be talking about South Carolina. He's talking about Greenlands.

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Speaker 3: Like he's said into a microphone, he doesn't need to

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Speaker 3: come back to South Carolina because he's in DC to

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Speaker 3: do what Trump tells him to do.

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Speaker 2: And that's because he thinks he's.

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Speaker 3: Invincible because of what we just talked about with twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty twenty six people, is not a normal political

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Speaker 3: moment like that is the most you know underselling way

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Speaker 3: to say that, but Lindsay Graham knows he's in real trouble.

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Speaker 3: He's already on TV in his primary because he is

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Speaker 3: a competitive primary before he has to deal with me

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Speaker 3: in the general.

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Speaker 1: And I want to pick up something that you acknowledge,

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Speaker 1: which is Donald Trump's more popular than Lindsay Grant. So

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Speaker 1: it keeps coming back to you've got to win over

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Speaker 1: somebody that likes Trump, even though you're outlining an agenda

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Speaker 1: that's very much confrontational to the Trump administration.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I remember reading those articles about

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Speaker 3: the Trump AOC voter.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's people who who.

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Speaker 3: Want to be you know, individual thinkers who want to

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Speaker 3: think for themselves, not aligned to a specific party. And

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Speaker 3: you know, with every passing day, this Trump administration grows

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Speaker 3: more extreme. And it might be the measles outbreak that

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Speaker 3: sets someone off. It might be what we're seeing in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 3: it might be what we're seeing in Greenland. It might

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Speaker 3: be the tariffs and grocery prices. But more and more people,

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Speaker 3: as we get closer to election day, are going to

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Speaker 3: have something that has like personally offended them or personally

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01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 3: negatively impacted their lives. And it's going to make them

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Speaker 3: rethink the way they vote, and then they're going to

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Speaker 3: have an option, which is a refreshing, much younger professional

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Speaker 3: pediatrician who's offering something different than they're used to.

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Speaker 1: You know, I always say that it's like everybody's got

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Speaker 1: their line, you know, and you don't know what who

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01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: when that person's line is crossed with Liz Cheney. Turned

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Speaker 1: out it was January sixth. She was fine with everything

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Speaker 1: before then, then after that she's like, I'm out the

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Speaker 1: day Lindsay Graham told us he was out for a

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Speaker 1: couple of days. It's a speech that I will never

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Speaker 1: forget because of how emphatic it turned out not to be.

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Speaker 1: You ran against Nancy Mays. I think everybody's trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out Nancy Mays. She has been a staple in

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Speaker 1: South Carolina outsider politics. I'd argue for over a decade, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm old enough to remember when she was

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Speaker 1: the chief primary challenger to Lindsey Graham circa twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: I want to say, I think, yeah, you've run against her.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people underestimator, and then there's

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Speaker 1: others that overestimator for different reasons. But as a campaigner.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think You know that nobody likes Nancy

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Speaker 1: Mace except the voters at.

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Speaker 2: Times at times, and I think.

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Speaker 1: That that her matters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, her welcome is wearing thin, and I hope that

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Speaker 3: that's what we'll see happen in this GOP governor's primary race.

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Speaker 1: The worst thing, you don't want to see her win

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Speaker 1: that primary. You'd like to see anybody but her. Interesting, Yes, the.

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Speaker 3: Worst thing that could happen is she's an unseerious person

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Speaker 3: who is not tied to any sort of moral or

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Speaker 3: ethical code. She is just in it for herself. It's

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Speaker 3: all about her and like frankly, human being to human being,

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Speaker 3: I'm worried about her mental health. You know, to be

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Speaker 3: a leader, to lead a state, to serve in the House,

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Speaker 3: to serve in the Senate, you have to have your

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Speaker 3: wherewithal about you, like you have to be able to

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Speaker 3: function in society. And I think Nancy Mace is sadly

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Speaker 3: really sort of devolving in front of our eyes. You know,

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Speaker 3: it was not that long ago I ran against her,

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Speaker 3: but she was a more serious person than she is now.

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Speaker 3: We've seen these public displays, you know, at the Ulta

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Speaker 3: store where she was cussing out a constituent. The thing

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Speaker 3: at the airport where she was just degrading and yelling

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Speaker 3: and cussing at the TSA agents and airport security, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's a cry for help. You know, I am

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Speaker 3: a healthcare professional. This is a cry for help. She

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Speaker 3: has no business being anywhere near the governor's mansion. She

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Speaker 3: is quite difficult to figure out.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It was interesting running against her, woman versus woman in

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Speaker 3: that you know electiontion cycle after row Fell, and I

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Speaker 3: really thought, you know, here's a pro choice woman running

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Speaker 3: against an anti choice woman. What woman in this state

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Speaker 3: would vote for her? But of course I lost that

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Speaker 3: race by double digits, and so it is interesting, as

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Speaker 3: you said, voters tend to show up and vote for her.

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Speaker 3: But I do think that people's patients with her here

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Speaker 3: in South Carolina is wearing quite thin. And I also

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Speaker 3: think her appeal beyond the first district here in the

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Speaker 3: low Country is not what she thinks it is. She

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Speaker 3: confuses her social media profile with real life.

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Speaker 1: Would you, if you were elected to the Senate, how

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Speaker 1: do you feel about Chuck Schumer's leader?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's important today to say that

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Speaker 3: I am really happy to hear that they are not

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Speaker 3: going to support a budget that would include fur their

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Speaker 3: funding for DHS and ICE. So that to me is

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Speaker 3: a glimmer of hope, a sign of strong leadership. But

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Speaker 3: I see myself as you know, a new generation of leader.

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Speaker 3: You know, I am significantly younger than the average US senator,

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Speaker 3: and I know that younger leaders.

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Speaker 1: I feel like ninety percent of America can say that.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, yes, I mean, I'm very excited to be in

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Speaker 3: a workplace where I'm like the young person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean, you know, it's the only place

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Speaker 1: that if you're in your fifties, you're there.

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Speaker 3: The So I mean, I think it's time that we need,

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Speaker 3: you know, younger leaders with fresh ideas, with bold ideas

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Speaker 3: about how to lead, how to communicate. And you know,

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Speaker 3: it's been very distressing to sit to be on the

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Speaker 3: sidelines of all of this and to wait for that

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Speaker 3: moment where the party really gets it together and we

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Speaker 3: see these bold signs of leadership. We're certainly seeing it

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Speaker 3: from some individual members of Congress. But I do think

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Speaker 3: it's time as a party. You know, we've got to

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Speaker 3: win elections again, and if we just keep doing the

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Speaker 3: same thing over and over again. Why would we expect

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Speaker 3: a different result than we saw in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Who impresses you right now? In the Democratic Party? Who

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Speaker 1: do you like, say, oh, I want to I want

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Speaker 1: to call that person up. I want to. They seem

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Speaker 1: to share my vision of where I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: the party go, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, being down here in the Southeast, I think a

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Speaker 3: lot about my neighbors in Georgia, about Senators Warnock and

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Speaker 3: Ossoff and their ability to lead both like very pragmatically

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Speaker 3: understanding that you know, they do need to get re

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Speaker 3: elected in a state like Georgia, but not really compromising

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Speaker 3: any of their progressive ideals.

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Speaker 2: Like they seem like two.

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Speaker 1: Examples, excellent point. It's a very swingy state, and you

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Speaker 1: know they they try to find a way to stick

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Speaker 1: to their progressive bona fides well as you say, vote

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Speaker 1: where they have to vote.

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Speaker 3: Every once in a while, right, And you know, I

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01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 3: think they both have different but very strong communication skills,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's why they're able to vote the

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Speaker 3: way that is true to them but also maintain the

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Speaker 3: relationships with the moderate Republicans who they need to support

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Speaker 3: them to get re elected.

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Speaker 1: So if you get there, it will probably mean there

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Speaker 1: was a nice sized wave right and you know, we'll

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Speaker 1: see You know, this is I've seen many a political

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Speaker 1: cycle where the wave just gets bigger and bigger, and

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Speaker 1: every time you think it's not going to get bigger,

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Speaker 1: it gets bigger. Two thousand and six was like that

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Speaker 1: for the Democrats, twenty ten and nineteen eighty four. It's

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Speaker 1: like that for the Republicans. But if you get here,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a democratic majority. Donald Trump's still

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Speaker 1: going to be in office for two years. How much

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Speaker 1: do you believe the job for a democratic Congress is

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Speaker 1: to work with Trump and how much of it is

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Speaker 1: to confront him and try to stop his administration.

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Speaker 2: I like the way you frame that question. I think

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Speaker 2: it's got to be both.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if we win in twenty twenty six, that

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Speaker 3: can effectively cut this destruction of our democracy in half.

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Speaker 2: And that's what's most important.

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Speaker 3: People who are leading dhs and hhs, Donald Trump and

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Speaker 3: everyone must be held accountable for the lawlessness we're seeing,

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Speaker 3: for the you know, countless constitutional crises we face every

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Speaker 3: day when we open up the news. But we also

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Speaker 3: have to get the job done and deliver results for constituents.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I'll work with anybody who's willing to

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Speaker 3: work with me to deliver solutions that help South Carolinians.

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Speaker 3: I think Representative Lauren Underwood is a great example of this.

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Speaker 3: She just quietly just gets the job done and continues

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Speaker 3: to deliver results. And I like to think that we

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Speaker 3: share qualities because she is also a healthcare professional. She

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Speaker 3: is a scientist, she is data driven. She's not all

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Speaker 3: about like the flashiness of being in office. She's about

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Speaker 3: getting the job done. So when it comes time to

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Speaker 3: deliver results, I will work with anyone, including Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: to do that because my allegiance is to the people

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Speaker 3: of South Carolina. But Democrats can't, you know, take the

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Speaker 3: House and take the Senate and then be meek in

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Speaker 3: our leadership, Like it's going to be a time to

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Speaker 3: be bold, and we have to take advantage of any moment.

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Speaker 3: We have to pass our agenda, the agenda that will

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Speaker 3: help so many people in this country who are struggling,

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Speaker 3: and that includes on healthcare and many other issues.

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Speaker 1: If you guys get power, there's going to be some

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Speaker 1: pressure to impeach them. And I remember in five and

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Speaker 1: six Nancy Pelosi took it off the table about Bush.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there are people upset about the Iraq War,

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Speaker 1: and you know you could have you know, look, as

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Speaker 1: I always remind people, what's an impeachable offense? Anything a

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Speaker 1: majority of the House decides is impeachable. Right, that's the

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Speaker 1: way the Constitution actually reads. But we all have it

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Speaker 1: in our head of what's impeachable or not. I they're

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Speaker 1: going to run on if Democrats get powered that you know,

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Speaker 1: that's all they're going to focus on, is impeachment. Would

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Speaker 1: you take it off the table or do you think

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01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: you shouldn't take it off the table.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we should take it off the table.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we have armed, masked federal agents murdering American

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01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 3: citizens in broad daylight for the entire world to This

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Speaker 3: is really nothing like the Bush era of politics. And

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Speaker 3: you know, the word in peach has really sort of,

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Speaker 3: I think for probably for many young Americans, kind of

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Speaker 3: lost its meaning because we've seen impeachments that have really

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Speaker 3: led to absolutely no change.

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Speaker 1: They become no different than censures or strongly worded press releases,

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Speaker 1: you know, right, right, So.

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Speaker 3: It just it feels so dystopian to talk about it

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01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 3: in that way. But no, we absolutely should not take

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Speaker 3: that off the table.

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Speaker 2: We don't.

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Speaker 3: We can't take anything off the table. We have to

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Speaker 3: We have to fight fire with fire. And I hope

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Speaker 3: that's a lesson that Democratic Party leaders have learned. I

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Speaker 3: know it's a lesson that so many of us who

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Speaker 3: are stepping up and raising our hands and running for

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01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 3: office this cycle feel very driven to see through.

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Speaker 1: So I want to One of the divide that I

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Speaker 1: feel like captures the Democratic debate best is fighter versus uniter,

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Speaker 1: meaning it's sort of your political instinct. And I would

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Speaker 1: argue twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, the uniters won the debate

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Speaker 1: inside these primaries. Right, that's Joe Biden. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: you know, Uralissa Slotkins. You know I could, I could

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Speaker 1: make different, different comparisons that way. I get this sense

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Speaker 1: now that you have an electorate that is looking for fighter.

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Speaker 1: Right that that explains why Gavin Newsom has gone from

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Speaker 1: sort of nowhere to front runner if you want to

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Speaker 1: believe any of these early polls about twenty eight because

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Speaker 1: he's been fighting the president. You strike me as like

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Speaker 1: enough is enough. You know, I'm I'm it's time to

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Speaker 1: fight back. You know, we're a weird we're a strange

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Speaker 1: bunch of US Americans. We want fighters and uniters at

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Speaker 1: the same time. How do you do both? Because ultimately

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Speaker 1: that's what this middle wants. We want some stability, we

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Speaker 1: want some certainty, and we want some empathy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, then you need a pediatrician. Like, I'm not

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Speaker 2: trying to be quaranie, You're not wrong.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know you'd have me at pediatrician. I

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Speaker 1: do think it's easy for you to make the case

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Speaker 1: that you give a darn about somebody else other than

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Speaker 1: yourself compared to the average politician. That I think is

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Speaker 1: probably an advantage that you just walk into the.

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Speaker 2: Door with yes.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I think you know, when you work

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Speaker 3: in a hospital, as I do, you talk to parents.

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Speaker 3: You're the one who tells parents their kid has cancer.

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Speaker 3: You're the one who takes care of their kid that's

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Speaker 3: been in a car accident. You're the one who tells them, oh,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have to sort of breathing tube and send

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Speaker 3: them to the ICU. So you see, like real people

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Speaker 3: facing real problems, and all of a sudden, a lot

1359
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 3: of this noise doesn't matter so much. You become very pragmatic.

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Speaker 3: You have to be a fighter because you have to

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Speaker 3: advocate for your patients, but you also have to just

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Speaker 3: get the job done and.

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Speaker 2: Work with whoever you need to work with.

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Speaker 3: You know, just because the surgeon on call is someone

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Speaker 3: I can't stand doesn't mean I'm not going to consult

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Speaker 3: the surgeon for my patient who needs surgery. So it's

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Speaker 3: this combination of being like really scrappy, really smart, understanding

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Speaker 3: that no matter what, the job just has to get done,

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Speaker 3: and then also just you know, working.

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Speaker 2: With anybody who you need to work with to make

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Speaker 2: that happen.

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Speaker 3: So the problem with so many DC politicians is like

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Speaker 3: they live in La la land.

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Speaker 2: They are not connected to the real world.

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Speaker 3: They haven't had a job where they actually had to, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, show results for their work for a really

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Speaker 3: long time. And Lindsay Graham is a perfect example of that.

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Speaker 3: So many of us work in the real world, whether

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Speaker 3: we're teachers or nurses or doctors or whatever.

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Speaker 2: We just get the job done. And that's what we

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Speaker 2: need more of in Washington, d C. And less of

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Speaker 2: these games.

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Speaker 1: What I want to get very specific about AI regulation.

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Speaker 1: As a medical professional, I imagine you have some strong

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Speaker 1: feelings about how AI should be regulated. In information. There's

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Speaker 1: look in the healthcare space, there's the most optimistic people

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Speaker 1: about AI are usually associated with healthcare, right, this idea

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Speaker 1: that you know, my god, look we just mapped every

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Speaker 1: protein in the human body, right, you know, there's this

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Speaker 1: excitement that we're going to have some huge leap scientifically,

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Speaker 1: and yet there's at the same time a lot of

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Speaker 1: this dystopian distrust that we have. Congress is playing very

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Speaker 1: little role right now in AI, and you know about

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Speaker 1: about the same amount of role they played at social media.

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Speaker 1: We all know how well that went. Yeah, so what

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Speaker 1: what should Congress be doing? And if Democrats get control

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Speaker 1: and you're winning there, what do you what what does

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Speaker 1: AI regulation look like? When people ask you this question.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting to think about healthcare potentially being

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Speaker 3: like the frontier of AI, because I kid you not,

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Speaker 3: we still use fax machines at pretty much every hospital

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Speaker 3: in this country. So, you know, the like the future

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Speaker 3: and what could be is very disconnected from how the

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Speaker 3: healthcare system actually works.

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Speaker 1: Is the default of the system. Is the system antiquated?

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're trying to tell me?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, it's we're not exactly like keen

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Speaker 3: on innovation in healthcare, there's so many systemic barriers to

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Speaker 3: adopting innovations.

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Speaker 1: Everything system there is no individualism I feel like in

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Speaker 1: medical care.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right right, and it's and it's incredibly fragmented. So

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Speaker 3: just you know, so maybe maybe DC Medicaid stops using

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Speaker 3: fax machines, but Virginia Medicaid still does, so now they

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Speaker 3: can't talk.

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Speaker 2: To each other. I mean, it's just our healthcare system

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Speaker 2: is deeply fragmented.

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Speaker 3: I am excited about the potential even like simple AI

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Speaker 3: innovations that can help doctors with the burden of all

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Speaker 3: the charting we have to do. You know, the amount

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01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 3: of time we spend actually talking to people versus clicking

1422
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 3: on our little keyboards is ridiculous, and it's it's not

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Speaker 3: a job satisfier for us, and it's certainly not a

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Speaker 3: satisfier for patients. So there's some like really simple low

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Speaker 3: level AI and innovations that could improve the delivery of

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Speaker 3: healthcare to Americans in a pragmatic fashion. But I think

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Speaker 3: your analogy to Congress being asleep at the wheel with

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01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 3: social media regulation is perfect. And I just worry that

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Speaker 3: you know, in this, in this capitalist driven society, that

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01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 3: we're always thinking about profits.

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01:21:59,720 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 2: Profit.

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Speaker 3: It's profits before we think about the long term negative consequences.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have my oldest daughter just turned fourteen yesterday,

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Speaker 3: and she texted me out of the blue.

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Speaker 1: Okay, ready, good luck with that. That was an interesting age. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you age, my mom and daughter stuff are awesome at

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Speaker 1: that age. Good luck.

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01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 2: So far, so good. But she said, when can I

1439
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: get Instagram? And I'm thinking, like, why don't we do?

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01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: Wow, you made it to fourteen, You're you should get

1441
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: a prize.

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01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: Come on, trampolines.

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Speaker 3: There's no social media. There's bike helmets everywhere. I'm a

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Speaker 3: pediatrician mom. But we've got to think about our kids first.

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Speaker 3: We've got to think about the long term negative consequences

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01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 3: of these innovations. But I you know, I just worry

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01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 3: that so much is there's so much dark money in politics,

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01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 3: and so that's like driving how people vote. And we've

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01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:50,799
Speaker 3: just got to get the corruption out of the system

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01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,759
Speaker 3: so we can pass laws to regulate AI and social media.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me have a little lighter fare here.

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01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: Best TV doctors, best TV doctor show, that gets it right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so, you know, I decided to be a

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01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 2: doctor when I was four, and then I was in

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Speaker 2: eighth grade when Er came out with George. Yes, I

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01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 2: love R. But now the Pit is like perfect, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just I don't.

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Speaker 1: Tell Michael Crichton's errors, but yes, the Pit is the

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Speaker 1: natural heir to Er.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And I just it's so realistic in the way that

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Speaker 3: it portrays like all of societal's ills showing up in

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Speaker 3: an emergency department and all of the things that make

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Speaker 3: being a healthcare provider so difficult.

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Speaker 2: It is incredibly validating.

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Speaker 3: Especially the first season when they have those flashbacks to COVID,

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Speaker 3: because if you live online, if you live even in

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Speaker 3: this political world where I live, you start to forget

1469
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Speaker 3: how real COVID was and how devastating it was, and

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Speaker 3: all of the people who died and the doctors who

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Speaker 3: put their lives on the line to care for these

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Speaker 3: patients before we understood anything about this virus, and you

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01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 3: get gaslit into like thinking it wasn't a big deal.

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Speaker 2: But I think the PIT does such a good job

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Speaker 2: of like really showing what reality is.

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Speaker 1: Like. I have a friend of mine who runs hospital

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Speaker 1: in Pensacola, and the most frustrating aspect was people that

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Speaker 1: didn't believe him when he said no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: let me. Would you like to take a tour of

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Speaker 1: my ICU because I don't have a single open bed

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Speaker 1: and the lack I mean, I am not advocating cameras

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Speaker 1: in hospital surgical wards and all this stuff, but we

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Americans truly understood what happened in

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Speaker 1: emergency rooms, and ICUs.

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Speaker 3: They don't, and the ones who maybe did for a

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01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 3: minute have forgotten it and consumed all of the disinformation

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01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 3: about it. It's really quite devastating when you think about

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01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 3: the millions of Americans who died, or if you think

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Speaker 3: about all the healthcare providers who risked their lives. It

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01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,879
Speaker 3: was such a scary time as a hospital based position.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So I asked your favorite hospital show, what's

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Speaker 1: your favorite political show or movie that you've seen?

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Speaker 2: In the West Wing?

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Speaker 1: You're a super optimist. You don't any of the dystopian stuff.

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01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: You did all the good stuff right the er dot

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Speaker 1: There was no like, it's not a house of cards.

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Speaker 1: You didn't go dark, you went light. I mean, look,

1498
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 1: I love to me Samaronzorkid, but my god, he paints

1499
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: a fantasy world that does not exist, but God was.

1500
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful and wistful of of said era, but I

1501
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: love her optimism.

1502
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:16,600
Speaker 2: You can ask me that.

1503
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 3: Question again, like halfway through my first term in the

1504
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 3: US sentence.

1505
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: See if your mind changes on that. Well, how much

1506
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: is this?

1507
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 2: You know?

1508
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: Look, when you run for office, you're always a candidate,

1509
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: You always on record, et cetera, et cetera. Is this

1510
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,560
Speaker 1: seven days a week? Is it five days a week? Like,

1511
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: what's your rhythm as a candidate right now?

1512
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 3: I mean, it certainly is like one hundred and ten

1513
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 3: percent job, it's seven days a week. But I'm also

1514
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 3: a mom of three school age children, very busy season

1515
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 3: of my all kids with the fourteen, eleven, and nine.

1516
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 3: My fourteen year old had you know, about eighteen of

1517
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 3: her friends over here. On Saturday morning. We hosted like

1518
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 3: a breakfast birthday party. And was after I got home

1519
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 3: at about midnight Friday night after going to a huge

1520
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 3: AKA gala in Columbia, South Carolina. So it's really just

1521
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 3: And that was after I worked for a few days

1522
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,759
Speaker 3: in the hospital where I work, which is actually in Washington,

1523
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 3: d C.

1524
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 2: So I'm doing three different, very big jobs all at once.

1525
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 3: There absolutely is no rhythm other than I try to

1526
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 3: get as much sleep as I can. And I look

1527
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 3: forward to, you know, Midsummer when I really can focus

1528
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 3: fully on the campaign and my kids as I take

1529
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 3: a step back from the hospital job because the South

1530
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 3: Carolina deserves a full time Senate candidates, and I look

1531
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 3: forward to that.

1532
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,759
Speaker 1: All right, last question clem Center, South Carolina.

1533
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, trying to get me in trouble.

1534
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 1: Yes, that's you got to take a stand, right, everybody

1535
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:46,959
Speaker 1: does so sports?

1536
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 2: How about that?

1537
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: Oh wow, look, not getting into that at all. What's

1538
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean? It's tough, right. Columbia is the state capital,

1539
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: so that's in one. You know, Clemson's more successful, so

1540
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: it's probably not an easy answer.

1541
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 2: Is and Clemson is you know, like Lindsay Ram's backyard.

1542
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you, I see, I've been filling up.

1543
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 3: Rooms in the upstate of South Carolina, right in Lindsay

1544
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 3: Graham's hometown.

1545
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: So he's he's in trouble.

1546
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 1: There's a fun diner in Greenville that I liked up there.

1547
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it, but it's like

1548
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: where everybody goes right before the Clemson football games. Okay, yeah,

1549
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 1: but anyway, Uh, doctor Andrews. Was great to get to

1550
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: know you. I appreciate you coming up.

1551
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having each other.

1552
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: One more quick follow up on the intro with this,

1553
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: with this scandal that I think it probably needs a

1554
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: better name, right teapot Dome. We had Watergate, So what

1555
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: are you gonna call the Abu Dhabi World? Liberty Financial? So,

1556
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: in fact, I think that's what you know. It's I

1557
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: know this is crazy, but you know, if you have

1558
01:27:54,560 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: a if you have a sharp enough name it, it

1559
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: can stick. And so if you're trying to get people

1560
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: to pay attention to what may be the worst scandal

1561
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: in presidential history when you look at the amount of

1562
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 1: money here, well it needs itself a name, right, And

1563
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: so your key words are Trump, Crypto, AI shake. You know,

1564
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: maybe we call it the Trump shakedown and you spell

1565
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: it as shake. That would certainly you could. You could

1566
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: have fun there, But that's it may not come off

1567
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: the tongue very well. But I'm being a little snarky here.

1568
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: But the reason I say that is, as you saw,

1569
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: it took twenty minutes to explain the story. A minute

1570
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: thirty on a network ninely news isn't going to explain it.

1571
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: It took a long time for the Wall Street Journal

1572
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: to litigate the story and get it through and make

1573
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: it through. It's it's legal, So just realize that it's

1574
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: it's not an easy story to explain. It's not an

1575
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: story you can go in the elevator or go to

1576
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 1: the bar and say, just see this one, you know,

1577
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:11,759
Speaker 1: although you could boil it down. So basically, this country

1578
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 1: and the golf wanted AI chips and they want to

1579
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 1: be able to probably sell some of them to some

1580
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: Chinese business partners. So basically they they bought the president's

1581
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: fledgling crypto. They bought half of a steak and the

1582
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: president's fledgling crypto company to rescue it and make it relevant,

1583
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 1: give him some money, and then they got the US

1584
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 1: to change the policy to sell him the chips. So

1585
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: that's I guess the best version I could to sell

1586
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: it in an elevator pitch. But so send me a

1587
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: few questions, send me a few thoughts. Ashchuk and Dchuck

1588
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: toodcast dot com. If you've got any ideas that what

1589
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 1: you'd name this right teapot Dome was a great name, right,

1590
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: great name? You just say it. You don't always remember, Okay,

1591
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: why was it teapot Dome? All right, you know, but

1592
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: still right, it was unique Watergate the hotel itself, right,

1593
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: So I think Trump shakedown. That's where I'm going, right,

1594
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 1: where you spell shake since his first since since that

1595
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: title fits there. All right, It's Monday, which means time

1596
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 1: for a little toodcast time machine. So we're going to

1597
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: go back in time. This week, of course, takes us.

1598
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 1: We're in the first week of February, so we're going

1599
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 1: to go back to February fourth, nineteen forty five. World

1600
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: War Two in Europe was nearing its end. Nazi Germany

1601
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: was collapsing, but not collapsed yet. Hitler was still alive.

1602
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: Victory was no longer in doubt, though. What was in

1603
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: doubt was what kind of peace would follow. So three

1604
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: men met at the Livadia Palace in Crimea, Franklin, Delano Roosevelt,

1605
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: just two months before he would die, mind you, Winston

1606
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: Churchill and Joseph Stalin. The meeting, of course, became known

1607
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 1: as the Alta Conference. And here's the argument I want

1608
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: to wrestle with tonight. Yalta was a mistake. But it

1609
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 1: may have been mistake. The Allies felt they couldn't avoid.

1610
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: So what did Yalta actually do. So, if you strip

1611
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: away the diplomatic language, Yelta did one core thing. It

1612
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 1: legitimized spheres of influence. It's a phrase we've been using

1613
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: a lot lately. Eastern Europe would fall under Soviet dominance.

1614
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 1: Western Europe would remain aligned with the United States in

1615
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:26,879
Speaker 1: Great Britain, Germany would be divided, borders would be redrawn,

1616
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: populations would be moved. Elections were promised, especially in Poland,

1617
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 1: but enforcement was vague and the leverage was thin. And

1618
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: in fact, the Great Powers agreed that stability mattered a

1619
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: lot more than sovereignty, that choice stability over sovereignty would

1620
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 1: define the next half century. So it's easy to say

1621
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 1: now that Yelta was a mistake. It doesn't mean it

1622
01:31:55,240 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: was avoidable. So but here's why. It's obviously you cannot

1623
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: call it a success. You have to call it a mistake.

1624
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 1: And here's why. Y Alta abandoned millions of people to

1625
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: authoritarian rule for decades. It normalized the idea that small

1626
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 1: nations do not get a seat at the table, and

1627
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: it froze injustice in place under the banner of order.

1628
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 1: Taught the world the dangerous lesson if you're powerful enough,

1629
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 1: you get to decide the fate of others, and then

1630
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: you get to call it peace. Eastern Europe paid the price,

1631
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: not just politically, but culturally, economically, and morally, from Hungary

1632
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,799
Speaker 1: to Poland to Czechoslovakia. The post war settlement wasn't liberation.

1633
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: It was substitutional from the Nazis to the Soviets. That matters.

1634
01:32:54,320 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: Then again, what was the alternative? This is where the

1635
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: easy moral clarity breaks down. And as much as I

1636
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 1: could say Yalta was a mistake, could it have gone

1637
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 1: any differently? Because here's the reality of February nineteen forty five.

1638
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 1: The Red Army occupied most of Eastern Europe. They were

1639
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: the allied part of the allies that occupied Eastern Europe,

1640
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:23,759
Speaker 1: not the US Army, not the Brits, not the French.

1641
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: The Soviets had lost more than twenty million people. Stalin

1642
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 1: was obsessed with security and buffer states. The United States

1643
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: was exhausted and already was looking towards the Pacific and

1644
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: finishing off Japan. So the uncomfortable truth is this, Yalta

1645
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: didn't give Stalin Eastern Europe. The Red Army already had

1646
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: it The real question isn't why did Roosevelt agree, it's

1647
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: what leverage did he actually have? So could y'alt have

1648
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 1: been avoided? All right, let's go through a factual. It's

1649
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,719
Speaker 1: worth talking about seriously. There were alternatives, but they carried

1650
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:10,719
Speaker 1: some great risk. Option one confront Stalin militarily. The Allies

1651
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,560
Speaker 1: could have drawn a hard line, demanded real elections in

1652
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: all of Eastern Europe, threatened force if they didn't comply,

1653
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 1: but that likely meant the potential of a new hot war,

1654
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 1: potentially millions more dying, and of course even nuclear escalation

1655
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: down the road, though at the time of that. Those

1656
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: guys wouldn't have known that at the time, But the

1657
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:39,759
Speaker 1: reality was in the two of the three guys sitting

1658
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: there were heading democracies and their publics had no appetite

1659
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: for that. So Option two could have been delay, stall,

1660
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: or refused to formalize said spheres. So nobody would sign

1661
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: off on this split, nobody would bless the arrangement. We'd

1662
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: have just sort of ambiguity lingering. It might have made

1663
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 1: us feel better about preserving moral clarity even if we

1664
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: didn't have practical control, But then ambiguity in that moment

1665
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: could have led to miscalculation and might have also led

1666
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 1: to another hot war. So Roosevelt made a bet with

1667
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 1: option three. And this is what actually happened, because Roosevelt

1668
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 1: believed the following personal diplomacy could moderate Stalin. Of course,

1669
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 1: Roosevelt would be dead in two months and Stalin wouldn't

1670
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: be there that much longer. The United Nations could restrain

1671
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 1: future conflict, Okay, putting a lot of faith in something

1672
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: that hadn't really been tested yet. Cooperation now would buy

1673
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 1: goodwill later. In hindsight, of course, the Roosevelt bet was failure,

1674
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: but it wasn't an interrational bet at the time. And

1675
01:35:55,320 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's a reminder sometimes, right that decisions,

1676
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: historic decisions, get made not with a long view in mind,

1677
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:11,879
Speaker 1: but with short term mitigation in mind. The core tragedy

1678
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:16,759
Speaker 1: of Yalta, it traded long term legitimacy for short term stability.

1679
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 1: Understandable after losing millions of people. Okay, Europe was exhausted,

1680
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 1: the world was exhausted. But once you accept that trade off,

1681
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: it's very hard to undo. Because spheres of influence don't

1682
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 1: just manage power, they teach great powers that morality is optional,

1683
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 1: that lesson didn't end with the Cold War, and that

1684
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: lesson didn't end when the Cold War ended. So this

1685
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 1: is where Yalta stops being academic. When modern leaders talk

1686
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 1: explicitly or implicitly about dividing the world into zones. Russia

1687
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 1: dominates its neighbors, China controls its region, America pulls back

1688
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: to its interests in Latin America South America. It's not realism,

1689
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 1: but it is Yelta logic, and it comes with the

1690
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 1: same flaw. It assumes that the people inside these spheres

1691
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 1: don't get a vote. This is where I'm going to

1692
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 1: say it again and say it plainly. Donald Trump doesn't

1693
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,719
Speaker 1: speak the language of alliances or international norms. He speaks

1694
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 1: the language of deals, leverage, and strong men. The implicit

1695
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: worldview is big powers make arrangements, smaller countries adjust. Stability

1696
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 1: matters more than values. It's not a new line of thinking.

1697
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:42,680
Speaker 1: It's pre nineteen forty five thinking. It's Yelta without the paperwork.

1698
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 1: So is Yalta avoidable, Well, it was not inevitable, but

1699
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: avoiding it it would have required a willingness to risk war,

1700
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 1: a public prepared for continued sacrifice, and leaders ready to

1701
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: exit up enormous uncertainty. The Allies chose certainty over justice,

1702
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: order over autonomy, and maps over people. How's that gone?

1703
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 1: Every time? By the way, these great powers do this.

1704
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 1: They did it after World War One in the Middle East.

1705
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 1: That went well. We did it after World War II

1706
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 1: with Eastern Europe. It avoided immediate catastrophe. But boy hasn't

1707
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 1: planted seeds for the future catastrophe. So history doesn't just

1708
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: ask whether leaders made the best choice. It also asked

1709
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:37,680
Speaker 1: what kinds of choices become realistic When fear dominates the imagination,

1710
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 1: the alta reminds us that what feels unavoidable in the

1711
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 1: moment often reflects our limits, not histories. When leaders today

1712
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: flirt with sphere of influence, thinking history offers a warning.

1713
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 1: May feel stabilizing, may feel pragmatic, It may even feel inevitable,

1714
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: but it always comes at a cost, and someone else

1715
01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:00,600
Speaker 1: always pays it first. Arguably say the same when we

1716
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 1: make some uncomfortable compromises in our politics, right the Republicans,

1717
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 1: the flight the what is it the flight ninety seventh idea?

1718
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: Whatever that bizarre mindset that said, you know, for the

1719
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 1: guys in Pennsylvania during nine to eleven. You know they

1720
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: knew they had to bring that play down no matter what.

1721
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: So avert your eyes or the corruption of Trump. You

1722
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: cannot let Hillary Clinton have power, and that matters more

1723
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 1: than anything else. Right, This type of thinking, this sort

1724
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:42,680
Speaker 1: of doom thinking, doom loop thinking, right, fear dominating your

1725
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 1: imagination that if some other entity that you've got to

1726
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: support a corrupt individual, You've got to support a flawed individual,

1727
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: You've got to support a morally questionable individual because something

1728
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:00,679
Speaker 1: greater is at stake. All I'll say is his destiny.

1729
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 1: That's what we end up learning more than anything else.

1730
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: All Right, there's your there's your toodcast time machine. Let's

1731
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:18,839
Speaker 1: get back into the present and let's take some questions

1732
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:26,599
Speaker 1: ask Chuck. All right, first question comes from Anthony Davis.

1733
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that Anthony Davis or not,

1734
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: So it could be. Right, he's injured right now, he's recuperating,

1735
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: so he may be, you know, filling the time doing

1736
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 1: some deep does on the podcast. He says, Hey, Chuck,

1737
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 1: Ralph Nader turns ninety two years old in February. What

1738
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 1: are your best Ralph Natter stories? Would you please consider

1739
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 1: having him on as a guest. He's still as sharp

1740
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:52,759
Speaker 1: as attack. Thanks Anthony Davis. I talked to Ralph semi regularly.

1741
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: When I say semi regularly, a couple times a year.

1742
01:40:56,560 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 1: I worked for an organization in college that was kind

1743
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 1: of founded by Nator, but I never worked for Nader.

1744
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if any if I know, some the

1745
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 1: internet will lay some claims here or there at all.

1746
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he had founded like half of these sort

1747
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 1: of public interest groups around the country, you know, So

1748
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 1: if you're a young college student that was trying to

1749
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: argue for a reform either in government, local, state or nationally,

1750
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: there's a chance that's he basically founded citizen lobbying, if

1751
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: you will, that he was involved in it. You know.

1752
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 1: I actually spoke with him about three or four months

1753
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 1: ago because he'd been listening to a podcast about local

1754
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 1: news and he was telling me he was really proud

1755
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 1: of this local news operation that he supports in Connecticut

1756
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 1: and he was telling me all about it. So, you know,

1757
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 1: I had wanted I try to get him. I wanted

1758
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 1: to do I think we had had the fiftieth anniversary

1759
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: of Unsafe at any the book about the General motors car,

1760
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:08,880
Speaker 1: the Chevrolet COVERIR that sort of basically got a seatbelts

1761
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: and I wanted to see if I could get Nater

1762
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: and Mary Barrow, chairman of gm on together. Anyway, we anyway,

1763
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: you try certain things you try. I thought it would

1764
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 1: be fun. I thought, you know, but booking Ralph for

1765
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 1: the pod, let me see what I can do. It's

1766
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 1: a good idea. He's he's you never know. I don't.

1767
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 1: I don't have the story. The Ralph stories I've heard

1768
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 1: from others, Like I've got a lot of second and

1769
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 1: third sort of hand stories of Ralph cats, something about

1770
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 1: cats and then something you know. Now, I do know this.

1771
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 1: Whenever we'd have on meet the press, he would never

1772
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 1: let us pick him up at his house. We have

1773
01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 1: no idea where he lived. He didn't want anybody to

1774
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: know where lived. So there was always an agreed upon

1775
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 1: corner where our car service would pick them up. But

1776
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:09,719
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's about it. That's my best confirmed story.

1777
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 1: But I you know there's some, there's some. But you

1778
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: know what I'll say about Ralph is he never he

1779
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:23,680
Speaker 1: is who he is. He absolutely is a public advocate

1780
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: to the extreme. And I say that, you know, hot

1781
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 1: like he just ultimately believed you had to have the

1782
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: public involved in everything or there would be corruption. They're

1783
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 1: always whether it was sunshine laws transfer, that's essentially would

1784
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 1: be I think the best I could describe as north Star.

1785
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 1: All right, Next question. I've long admired your thoughtful approach

1786
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 1: to American history. Do you see any meaningful parallels between

1787
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy Kent State shootings and what's happening now

1788
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis? As a Hispanic retired Air Force officer who

1789
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,560
Speaker 1: travels the country weekly, I found myself asking questions I

1790
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 1: never thought i'd have to, like whether I should carry

1791
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 1: my passport just to walk through in a American city.

1792
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 1: Could this moment be a Ken State level inflection point

1793
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 1: for our generation? Respectfully? Gr you know, it's interesting with

1794
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 1: Ken State. I was listening to Bill Simmons just doing

1795
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:17,680
Speaker 1: his sports podcast, and at the end he was apologizing,

1796
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:19,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't think he owed anybody an apology, but

1797
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 1: he was apologizing for not mentioning the incident in Minneapolis

1798
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:25,600
Speaker 1: at the end of his podcast, and he made a

1799
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: Ken State reference and he says, you know, I remember

1800
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 1: as a kid hearing about Ken State and never quite

1801
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,600
Speaker 1: understanding it, and then now you sort of imply the

1802
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:37,479
Speaker 1: same thing that you are. I think Ken State's probably

1803
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 1: the best historical comparison because it was like, whoa, they

1804
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 1: did that? Where what? And you know, Ken State, this

1805
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 1: is you know, this wasn't the Harvard campus, right, This

1806
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Also, it signified that this issue was everywhere.

1807
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 1: This issue was not just some elite issue with Ivy

1808
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:02,599
Speaker 1: League students or students in New York City and Washington,

1809
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:07,000
Speaker 1: d C. Right, This was across the board. Right when

1810
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 1: you look at the protests, like over the weekend, there

1811
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 1: were a bunch of ice protests in places like Pensacola.

1812
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 1: You know obviously, you know, I keep a heavy track

1813
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: of stuff in Pensacola. I spent a lot of time there,

1814
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 1: and they had a large turnout for them, larger than

1815
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 1: the last time they had one of these anti ice demonstrations.

1816
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 1: So I do think the ice issue has hit a

1817
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,560
Speaker 1: tipping point. And in fact, i'd actually compare it. I

1818
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 1: think you're getting greater. This protest movement already is so

1819
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 1: much bigger than the gods of protest movement. Gods of

1820
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 1: process movement was intense in a handful of places. This

1821
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 1: is across the board, and it's it's everywhere. Obviously, it's

1822
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 1: most intents in Minneapolis and in some of the major cities,

1823
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:59,680
Speaker 1: but it's everywhere, and so I had also invoke Ken

1824
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 1: State that way, right, Kent State. Ken State felt I

1825
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 1: think historically is that tipping point, because it was like, oh, whoa,

1826
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 1: this is happening everywhere. Every college campus is on fire,

1827
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: and these guys are out of control. Who somebody who

1828
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 1: is emailing? Who went to my speech at Florida Atlanta

1829
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:29,839
Speaker 1: University and this person rights? I really appreciated your perspective

1830
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 1: on the state of our country. I agree that Congress

1831
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:33,639
Speaker 1: is a major source of dysfunction, but I also believe

1832
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 1: accountability under the law is just as critical. Project twenty

1833
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 1: twenty five years his concerns about executive overreach and recent

1834
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: events in Minnesota reminding me remind me of troubling historical parallels.

1835
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 1: You've said change can happen at the ballot box, but

1836
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 1: will there even be an election or could Trump declare

1837
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 1: a state of emergency and postponent FAA invent Eddy Look.

1838
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: One of my two talks at FAU, I tried to

1839
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 1: address this question directly. He cannot. I do not think

1840
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 1: he can. He can talk about screwing with the election.

1841
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: But I do not think he can cancel it. He

1842
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 1: didn't have this stuff is so diffuse, and our system

1843
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 1: is so diffuse. It is not a top down system,

1844
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 1: and it is not right. I mean, this is this

1845
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 1: is the best argument against federalizing our elections in general

1846
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: and our entire system in general, is to not let

1847
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 1: any you know, singular power. What makes it hard to

1848
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 1: hack our elections, It makes it hard to do these

1849
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 1: things is that you know, every county is its own

1850
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 1: election administrator, and then the states have their own system

1851
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 1: and that, you know, so everything is slightly different. It

1852
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 1: is not uniform, and that is a feature, not a bug.

1853
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 1: So and it's also I you know, you're not gonna

1854
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 1: if you would have to, all the states would have

1855
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 1: to go along, all the counties would have to go along.

1856
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:54,639
Speaker 1: So I just I I understand. And I go back

1857
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 1: to something a friend of mine said, Hey, our biggest

1858
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: mistake with Trump has been failure of imagination. Yes, but

1859
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 1: there's also there are things he knows he can't do,

1860
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:10,320
Speaker 1: or he'll lose support in his or you know, or

1861
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 1: his own party will break from him in Congress. Maybe

1862
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 1: you don't believe it will happen, Right, Mitch McConnell didn't

1863
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:18,919
Speaker 1: do what he did and all this stuff. I understand

1864
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 1: some of your skepticism out there, but I think there's

1865
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,920
Speaker 1: a you know, there's a reason he didn't invoke the

1866
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:31,320
Speaker 1: Insurrection Act on January six? Right? He is? He is?

1867
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 1: So I'm seventy five twenty five confident. How's that can't

1868
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:42,639
Speaker 1: say it with ninety nine percent? Certainly? Next question comes

1869
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 1: from yes, I hope I got that right from Raleigh,

1870
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:48,519
Speaker 1: North Carolina. He says, with Trump putting so much focus

1871
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: on foreign entanglements, do you think future presidents might focus

1872
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 1: more on domestic issues if the filibuster is removed, Since

1873
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,679
Speaker 1: a simple majority could get things done without needing opposition support,

1874
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 1: isn't at the point of elections that the winning party

1875
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:00,640
Speaker 1: should be able to govern. If both parties always need

1876
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 1: by partisan backing to pass the legislation, does that start

1877
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 1: to resemble single party control as we see in countries

1878
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:08,720
Speaker 1: like China. It's an interesting way of putting it. Look,

1879
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 1: if we were a parliamentary system, then you would have

1880
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:16,479
Speaker 1: what you're looking for, right, the coalition that wins, that governs,

1881
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 1: and they can sort of do everything on a party

1882
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 1: line vote. Our founders created a system to try to

1883
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:30,519
Speaker 1: make single party dominance very difficult or single They didn't

1884
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 1: have political parties. They were hoping there wouldn't be political parties,

1885
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:35,560
Speaker 1: but they didn't want single factions. Right, That's why the

1886
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:39,120
Speaker 1: Senate elections are not held at the same time. Right,

1887
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 1: Those were staggered for a reason, in order to if

1888
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: the public wanted radical change, they couldn't quite get it all, right.

1889
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: They actually the system was designed not to speed up governing.

1890
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 1: And this is where this may surprise you, But you know,

1891
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 1: I think it should be hard to pass the law,

1892
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,640
Speaker 1: not easy to pass a lit right when you when

1893
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 1: we live in a country that is as evenly divided

1894
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:09,600
Speaker 1: as we are, moving everybody an inch is hard, but

1895
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 1: you should you know, if you can find sixty forty

1896
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 1: consensus to move an inch, maybe you can find fifty

1897
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 1: one forty nine consensus to move a foot. But if

1898
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 1: you do that, you can actually create bigger backlash the

1899
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 1: other way. So, I I take your point on what

1900
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:33,959
Speaker 1: you're looking for out of elections, but I think regardless

1901
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:35,760
Speaker 1: of whether the filibuster is there or not, and I

1902
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think you'd still have There are some

1903
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,840
Speaker 1: senators that are addicted to being the decisive votes. So

1904
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 1: no matter what, you'd still have some of this, I

1905
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 1: think in the Senate, regardless of whether the filibuster was

1906
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 1: there or not. But I think it should be. I

1907
01:50:58,280 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 1: think it's supposed to be. I think I put it.

1908
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 1: I think it should be hard to move things along

1909
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:06,759
Speaker 1: like that, it should be difficult. And that was actually

1910
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 1: the intent. That was a feature of the system, not

1911
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 1: necessarily a bug. But as for focus on foreign versus domestic,

1912
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 1: honestly vs. This is something that has been that is

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Speaker 1: a bugaboo of this is Trump behaving very normally as

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Speaker 1: a president. All presidents run on domestic issues, and all

1915
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Speaker 1: presidents get more interested in foreign policy issues once they

1916
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Speaker 1: become president. And there's a simple reason for that. Their

1917
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Speaker 1: domestic agenda, as your point out very well, is only

1918
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Speaker 1: as successful as what can get through Congress, and that's

1919
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Speaker 1: very difficult. Most of your foreign policy issues can be

1920
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Speaker 1: done without Congress. So I think presidents love the unilateral.

1921
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Speaker 1: They feel more important, they feel more historic, they feel

1922
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Speaker 1: more relevant when they're dealing leader, the leader having to

1923
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 1: grovel the people that are of lesser elected status than you,

1924
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Speaker 1: which is everybody in Congress. Compared to the presidency is

1925
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:14,680
Speaker 1: a turn off for presidents of both parties. I mean

1926
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Speaker 1: Obama used to joke about it all the time. He's like, oh, yeah,

1927
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Speaker 1: you know, I love doing this. I hate dealing with Congress.

1928
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Speaker 1: You know. Bill Clinton would make those jokes. George W.

1929
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: Bush would make those jokes. Donald Trump makes them and

1930
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Speaker 1: sometimes doesn't sound like he's even joking. But the point

1931
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Speaker 1: is is that in that sense, he's This is a

1932
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 1: very common thing with presidents. They run on domestic issues

1933
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Speaker 1: because that's what the public decides elections on. Rarely is

1934
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:47,040
Speaker 1: a foreign policy issue decisive unless we literally have Americans

1935
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:51,400
Speaker 1: getting killed in a war and so. But it is

1936
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Speaker 1: sort of a phenomenon, and I think it's going to do.

1937
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,680
Speaker 1: I think it's going to make the messaging for Democrats

1938
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 1: so easy in twenty twenty six, as he's more more

1939
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 1: worried about making money for his firms with his business

1940
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 1: partners in Abu Dhabi than he is lowering the price

1941
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:13,760
Speaker 1: of groceries for you. Next question comes from Alex from Carborough.

1942
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 1: This is our fifth one today. Hey love the show.

1943
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 1: Never missed an episode right on brother. Given Trump's visible

1944
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 1: hand bruises, reported sleepiness sleepiness and meetings and what sounds

1945
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:27,680
Speaker 1: like occasional slurring or incoherence. Curious. Is it normal for

1946
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 1: a president to have so many cognitive exams unless something

1947
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 1: is wrong? And more broadly, in today's media environment, isn't

1948
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:35,880
Speaker 1: even possible to hide a president's declining health? Thanks so much. Well,

1949
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:39,680
Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like, it's fascinating, and it goes back

1950
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,600
Speaker 1: to you know, I think it's obvious Trump's health is

1951
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:45,720
Speaker 1: declining and he's been aging before our eyes. And all

1952
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 1: you have to do is just look at Donald Trump

1953
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen first year candidate and Donald Trump at his

1954
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:55,040
Speaker 1: Iowa rally. Right, Yeah, they're the same guy. But you're like, wow,

1955
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 1: kind of like how I felt watching Hugh Jackman in

1956
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 1: Song Sung Blue. Hugh Jackman's guy old by the way,

1957
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:07,720
Speaker 1: he was terrific in that movie. But it is. But

1958
01:54:08,200 --> 01:54:11,320
Speaker 1: but Trump is smart. Trump's doing something that I was.

1959
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:14,960
Speaker 1: I would scream from the rooftops for the White House

1960
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:17,759
Speaker 1: to do, which made me even when Joe Biden was president,

1961
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,759
Speaker 1: let the country get used to Grandpa was my argument,

1962
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 1: meaning the more they hid Biden from the public, the

1963
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 1: more that when he actually did go into public, it

1964
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 1: was stri Oh my god, what happened to Joe Biden?

1965
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:37,560
Speaker 1: Where Donald Trump is in our face every day, He's

1966
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:42,520
Speaker 1: getting worse all the time. His health is syntaxes, you know,

1967
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 1: I think his vocabulary shrinks every day, all those things.

1968
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:50,040
Speaker 1: But it's we see him all the time. So it's

1969
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:53,200
Speaker 1: like watching a river eroad. You don't see the erosion

1970
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:57,440
Speaker 1: unless you don't unless you literally watch a time lapse camera.

1971
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 1: You know that somebody else took to years earlier, and

1972
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:02,600
Speaker 1: then you compare the two and you go, holy cow,

1973
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 1: that riverbed really eroded, you know. But and I think

1974
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 1: that's the So I think it's visible. I think it's obvious.

1975
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 1: But oddly, the smartest thing Trump does is he doesn't hide.

1976
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 1: He's every He's always out there, so you think, well,

1977
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:21,680
Speaker 1: he's out there, so he must be feeling okay enough

1978
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 1: to do that, right, And this is where why hiding,

1979
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, among the now, because I think it's one

1980
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:30,840
Speaker 1: of those things that the more Biden had been out there,

1981
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 1: even if he had sort of been, it had kind

1982
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 1: of been normalized. But they never wanted it normalized. They

1983
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:39,040
Speaker 1: were always hiding it, which made I, frankly, it made

1984
01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 1: me assume that it was much worse than they were

1985
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 1: letting out that they were afraid of even letting it

1986
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 1: be normalized. All right. Last question comes from David F.

1987
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Speaker 1: And BALTIMORENY. Right. Hey, good morning, Chuck. I'm a public

1988
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:56,760
Speaker 1: school teacher who has worked in both traditional and non

1989
01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:00,520
Speaker 1: union charter schools. What charter schools? Uh? While schools were

1990
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:06,000
Speaker 1: originally intended as niche Nietzsche institutions niche institutions, many now

1991
01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 1: compete directly with public schools, despite showing limited academic gains

1992
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 1: and test scorts. Do you think charters of a future

1993
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 1: if they return to their roots, perhaps by adopting hybrid

1994
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 1: or AI drone models. Well, that's the thing, David, and

1995
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 1: I you know, let me ask you this, and I'd

1996
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 1: love this is one of those where maybe even I

1997
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 1: should just have a back and forth. But frankly, if

1998
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:28,240
Speaker 1: you want to respond, I will do your response in

1999
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 1: the next round of questions or the next time we

2000
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 1: deal with this, which is what do you think there

2001
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:37,240
Speaker 1: should is there just there is a technical distinction between

2002
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 1: a charter school and a magnet school, But should there be?

2003
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 1: And one and two? I think the magnet school idea

2004
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,040
Speaker 1: And so for those of you wondering so you know,

2005
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 1: charter schools are literally the entire school is set up

2006
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 1: in a different way and then there's enrollment. Magnet school

2007
01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 1: has a few specialty programs it's only available at that school.

2008
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 1: So you know, I went to a Magnet school for

2009
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:06,280
Speaker 1: junior high in Miami and it was one of the

2010
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:08,880
Speaker 1: early magnet schools. It was an early thing. And I

2011
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 1: went there for the arts, and I went for music,

2012
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 1: and I went to in Southwood. Was was a school

2013
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 1: that was the type of junior high that bringing in

2014
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 1: the Magnet school raised the entire level of the school.

2015
01:57:22,520 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 1: So it was the perfect way, right it was to

2016
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: take a school in a in a good community, but

2017
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 1: it was a mixed socioeconomic diverse community in a good way,

2018
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:39,280
Speaker 1: and the Magnet school lifted lifted all boats, you know,

2019
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: making it a magnet. So putting some of these specialty

2020
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:48,080
Speaker 1: programs in neighborhoods that didn't have the wealthiest families in it,

2021
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:51,080
Speaker 1: and then it brought it sort of created the socio

2022
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 1: economic diversity that that I think we all want our

2023
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:57,080
Speaker 1: schools to have, Like in theory though we never wanted

2024
01:57:57,120 --> 01:57:59,280
Speaker 1: if it's not close to where our kids grow. So

2025
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:03,360
Speaker 1: I think the magnet I don't understand why we have

2026
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 1: a separate I think you could, especially Charter. You can

2027
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:12,880
Speaker 1: talk me into just creating a middle school. That's a

2028
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 1: great you know, if you're going to do alternative curriculums,

2029
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:18,680
Speaker 1: we'll try it as a magnet, right and use it

2030
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:26,120
Speaker 1: within the within the structure that exists. What's what would

2031
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:28,960
Speaker 1: be the downside of that? So, David, I'd love to

2032
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on magnets and whether you think there's

2033
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 1: a munch of a Charters. I and in Miami, where

2034
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 1: I grew up, there is a big difference, as I said,

2035
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 1: In fact, Miami has this four tiered school system, right,

2036
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,520
Speaker 1: you have your the private school world, which I throw

2037
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:47,520
Speaker 1: in the parochials in there as well. You have Charter,

2038
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:51,960
Speaker 1: which is separate but there, and then you have the magnet.

2039
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 1: A lot of the schools now Miami, they have a

2040
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:57,120
Speaker 1: magnet for something. And then you have the handful of

2041
01:58:57,160 --> 01:58:59,720
Speaker 1: schools that don't have a magnet program and they're just

2042
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, and they're usually the failing schools. So I

2043
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:06,680
Speaker 1: think we know what the answer is. Every school should

2044
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:11,800
Speaker 1: have a specialty in something, So figure it out, school

2045
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 1: board administrators. Uh, with that, I'll wrap up that I

2046
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 1: don't have a huge sports report this weekend. I've been

2047
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm doing what every football fan does,

2048
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:31,280
Speaker 1: discovering college basketball and uh a bummer for my GW Revolutionaries.

2049
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 1: You know, most of you know I didn't go to

2050
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 1: the University of Miami, but I went to GW. Uh

2051
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:41,040
Speaker 1: Gina doesn't have a football team, so I've always felt

2052
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:43,480
Speaker 1: that I could be loyal to both GW basketball and

2053
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:47,560
Speaker 1: University Miami football. By the way, to my University Miami friends,

2054
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:51,720
Speaker 1: That's why I don't respond to your basketball asks. I'm

2055
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 1: a GW man for basketball through and through. Not a

2056
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 1: good loss for my boys yesterday. We were down our

2057
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:02,960
Speaker 1: best player, Castro was out out. But tough loss at

2058
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:06,720
Speaker 1: home against Fordham, the home of Insulambardy. It's always I

2059
02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:08,760
Speaker 1: just see Fordham and I think Bence Lombardi. That's the

2060
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:13,280
Speaker 1: Packer fan of me. But as a bummer loss, especially

2061
02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:16,920
Speaker 1: after GW gave Saint Louis. We was the number one

2062
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:19,200
Speaker 1: team in the A ten and a Top twenty team

2063
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 1: and probably one of the few mid majors that will

2064
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:25,000
Speaker 1: have a chance at the final four come tournament time.

2065
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:28,200
Speaker 1: They're terrific. GW game, my hell of a game in

2066
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:31,480
Speaker 1: Saint Louis only lost by three. GW has A can

2067
02:00:31,560 --> 02:00:35,680
Speaker 1: play with anybody, but they need Castro and and being

2068
02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 1: out was a was a rough one. And you know,

2069
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm still I pulled for the Hurricanes. I pulled for

2070
02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:45,640
Speaker 1: SMU basketball. Both of them lost key games yesterday. Both

2071
02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:49,520
Speaker 1: of them are bubble teams for the NCAA Tournament. It's

2072
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:52,680
Speaker 1: good to see the ACC get a little bit better

2073
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:56,840
Speaker 1: in basketball. I am. I am happy about that. But

2074
02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:00,560
Speaker 1: with the limited sports, I thought i'd close with this.

2075
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:04,400
Speaker 1: The missus and I thought, hey, we should watch a movie.

2076
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:06,280
Speaker 1: So you know, I start. That's the other thing I

2077
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:07,880
Speaker 1: do at the end of football season. I'm like, oh,

2078
02:01:08,640 --> 02:01:10,640
Speaker 1: let me see what Oscar tells me the movies I'm

2079
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:15,080
Speaker 1: supposed to care about. So first of all, all the

2080
02:01:15,200 --> 02:01:18,440
Speaker 1: movies are all of them feel that they're very heavy, right,

2081
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:22,120
Speaker 1: So I'm very and I'll admit I usually don't want

2082
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:24,120
Speaker 1: to be putting a bad mood, a grumpy mood, or

2083
02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:27,000
Speaker 1: a fearful mood with some of my movie selections on

2084
02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:29,680
Speaker 1: some Saturday nights. So we went the easy round and

2085
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:32,400
Speaker 1: did Song Sung Blue, And all I'll say is it's

2086
02:01:32,440 --> 02:01:34,560
Speaker 1: a movie that's about Neil Diamond that has nothing to

2087
02:01:34,600 --> 02:01:37,760
Speaker 1: do with Neil Diamond, and it's terrific. Hugh Jackman and

2088
02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:43,680
Speaker 1: Kate Hudson are fantastic. Michael Imperiolo, a i e. Christopher

2089
02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:49,640
Speaker 1: from The Sopranos as Buddy Holly might impersonator might be

2090
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:53,200
Speaker 1: one of my favorite sort of small easter eggs. So yeah,

2091
02:01:53,400 --> 02:01:56,280
Speaker 1: small spoiler alert on that one, but it's fantastic to

2092
02:01:56,400 --> 02:02:01,000
Speaker 1: see Christopher from The Sopranos doing Buddy Holly. But this

2093
02:02:01,160 --> 02:02:05,160
Speaker 1: movie was terrific, and it's based out a real life story.

2094
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,360
Speaker 1: There's a documentary I've gone I'm going down the rabbit

2095
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:12,800
Speaker 1: Hole as we speak, and it's a movie that I

2096
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:15,320
Speaker 1: never thought i'd enjoy, and I really enjoyed it, and

2097
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:19,800
Speaker 1: it's a reminder. I'm glad, you know not. I joked

2098
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:21,280
Speaker 1: with you guys the other day, I said, I wish

2099
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:23,880
Speaker 1: all these streamers would put in the button that would

2100
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:26,240
Speaker 1: turn every movie into like a five episode mini series,

2101
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:28,280
Speaker 1: so that in case I fall asleep, you know, so

2102
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:30,600
Speaker 1: I know where to where I should pause, what would

2103
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:34,560
Speaker 1: be the good things. But it's nice to see not

2104
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:37,920
Speaker 1: everything should be divvied up into eight episodes. Sometimes you

2105
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:41,720
Speaker 1: just need one meal, one just terrific three or four

2106
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:47,400
Speaker 1: course meal. And this was a nice meal, So I

2107
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:50,200
Speaker 1: know it was sort of targeted. I'm now a target

2108
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:53,400
Speaker 1: of movies again, right, You're only targeted in the movie

2109
02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:57,800
Speaker 1: industry as if you're a teenager or if you're an

2110
02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:02,160
Speaker 1: empty nester. And it's clear song Sung Blue is for

2111
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:05,400
Speaker 1: us empty nesters. But you know what, it was a

2112
02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:07,680
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of fun. All right with that,

2113
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:14,600
Speaker 1: enjoy your groundhog Day. Remember if everything feels the same,

2114
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:18,320
Speaker 1: the only way to change things is for you to change.

2115
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:21,040
Speaker 1: Talked to you forty eight ashs.