WEBVTT - MALICE AT THE PALACE...15 YEARS LATER 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:19.120 November nineteen, two thousand four, fifteen years later. Uh. One 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.200 of the something that will always be mentioned when they 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.279 mentioned Stephen Jackson is the mouth in the Palace. But 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.360 I want to take a look back because something a 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.720 football version of that something what happened minus going in 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.960 the stands of world. You know last week, um Myles 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.560 Garrett on what Summer calling a questionable late hit hit 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.880 hit Mason Rudolph late in the game. Game was already 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.760 in hands. Guess Mason Rudolph took offense to it, try 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.160 to pull his helmetoff, didn't work, got his helmet pulled off. 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.520 Then he tried to rush him like he was really 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.360 gonna do something to him, and then got bopped with 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:59.800 the helmet, and uh, you know it's Miles Garrett's you know, 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.720 life is probably changing right now, you know what I 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:05.160 mean just from that incident. Uh, you know, if you 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.920 could tell him anything or what he's thinking right now, 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:14.319 take what would it be? What's the different time? You know? Um, 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.880 when that happened with us, we couldn't we couldn't come 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.280 out and speak social media on social media not like that, 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.520 and we couldn't control out on there. If you know 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.680 what I mean, I think he has the outlets too 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.240 say exactly what happened, to walk with people with the 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.880 video that might not see the things that he saw 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.600 actually actually being on the field. Um, a lot of 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.479 you know, I think we we had to sit back 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.320 and just take it. You know, with everything being on TV. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.039 These guys are thugs. Uh, these guys are rich babies. 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.280 They shouldn't be in the NBA. I had never been 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.160 in trouble with the law of my life before that brawl. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.680 I'd never been in the NBA fight in the game 0:01:56.000 --> 0:02:00.280 before that brawl. So so I think he is. I 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.400 think he should just just stay quiet. But when he 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.320 has his time to speak, say everything, don't hold back. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:06.760 He needs to come on here and he needs to 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.359 come on all the smoke and say everything. Well, I mean, 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.160 if he really want to get a story off, I 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.160 think the way the platform we created and the way 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.040 all the players are respecting, I think this is the 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.480 place for him because you know, we're not going to 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.600 judge him. And at the same time, what we're talking 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.160 to us we understand because we've been We've been there, 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.200 you know what I mean. And it's I can't tell, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.360 I can't tell him another show he could go on 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.400 and talk to what people can relate to him like 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.240 we can. I feel you. So take me back to 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:41.280 your journey getting to the Pacers. Well, in OH three, 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.320 I won the championship with the Spurs. Um I was 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.440 looking for my big contract after I had I had 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:51.280 some big, big, big shots. But as you know now, 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.560 you can see now the Spurs were favoring three guys, Gennobly, 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.440 Tony and Tim Duncan. And Gennoble and Tony were up 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.480 the same time I was up, you know, and uh 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.519 I think they wanted to give them the big number 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.840 of contracts and low ball me was like three years, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.240 nine million, and I felt insulted. You know, we wouldn't 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.840 have had a championship without me, We wouldn't have made 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.560 it out the Western Conference without me. And uh so 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.360 I decided to go to Atlanta for one year, improved 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.600 myself and around that time that year and Mike Brown 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:23.840 took an assistant head coach job in Indiana with Rick Carlisle. 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.400 And during the course of that year at Atlanta, you know, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.919 I was I think I was having a great year, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:30.840 but the second half of the season, I was like 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.079 sitting six and scoring in the whole league, and um, 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.960 Mike Brown can't call me up. We played him and 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:38.520 he pulled him and Brick put me to the side, 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.760 like we know he didn't get your contract this summer. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.360 Keep a level head. Finished the season healthy, and we're 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:44.640 gonna bring it. You know, we're gonna give you the 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.120 contract next year. So with knowing that that that helped 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:49.240 me the rest of the season because I had to 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.920 was put up numbers. Our team was shitty, We was trash. Uh. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:58.000 It was me, Bobby, Bob Sora, and Jayson Terry Yeah 0:03:58.120 --> 0:03:59.920 and the rest in peace. Jason call you. We had 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.600 Kay as well. Um, it was a small team. They 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.920 had no plans of winning. Terry Stouts was our coach 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.760 at the time. But I was just putting up numbers 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.600 and just just the fact that they came and told 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.600 me that I was gonna get my deal that summer. Um, 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.160 I knew the team was already good. They were one 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:15.600 of the best teams in the East. And to be 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:17.039 to know I was gonna be part of be a 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.400 part of that was good. Especially so you end up 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.559 getting your dealer fall in summer. I end up getting 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.880 my six years, six years six year deal for thirty 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.400 six but the equal out of being six years forty two. Okay, 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.320 So now you're in Indiana with the team that had 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.960 a bitter Eastern Conference accident the finals to the Pistons. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.080 So you didn't really come in that situation understand what 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.080 kind of rival me what that was, did you? Well? I, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.039 I really the only robber I understood at that time 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.360 was the Spurs and Lakers. And that wasn't the type 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.000 of robbery that Detroit and Indiana like. This was some 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:51.559 street chip that was not real. This is some back 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.760 some jail prison beef basketball, you know what I mean? 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.800 And uh, I walked into it, but I you know, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.479 I have respect, so much respect. She was like a 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.480 big brother ripped man. Rip graduated in high school nine 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:05.760 six McDonald's All America. So we were great, great friends. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:10.720 So the walking into that, I didn't know that I 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:12.520 was gonna have to pick a side like that. To 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.720 whether I knew I was gonna pick a side plant basketball, 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.040 but to to to start a fighting a bra I 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:18.640 didn't know ilays got to pick a side like that. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.600 So here we are, the end of the of the game. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.400 You guys got the game in hand, you have fifteen 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.200 fifteen points. Uh to me looking at the play, hard 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:31.440 foul Maybe maybe not. I mean it's Ron obviously Ben 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.479 took offense to it. Um, you know, looked like being 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.640 one of the bite runs head off they you know, 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.880 you got did a good job of keeping them all separate. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.440 Ron gets here with something, he charges up in the stands. 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:48.680 At that moment, what made you charge? Well, at that moment, 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.160 my joenneral I was already in fight mode if you 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.040 look at it, you know, like I just said, man, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.760 RiPP was cool. But at that moment when we was 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.359 you know, we were up fifteen. We this was the 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.120 game that was gonna separate us from everybody in the 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.000 Eastern Conference. We were fourteen and something. We like the 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.480 best record, I think the best record league at the time, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.360 and we had beat almost all the big teams except 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.760 Detroit and um. You know, at the end of the game, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:18.360 we were beating them, and I just knew that's someone right, 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.159 you know what I mean, because during the whole game 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.560 it was it was some disrespectful stuff said in the game. 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.320 So at the end of the game, were at the 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.800 free throw line, and uh, I'm shooting the free throw 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.160 and I hear I hear somebody in the back saying 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.919 you can get your file now. Wrong. I'm you know, 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.200 I'm not really paying no attention. You know what I'm saying. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.880 But I'm not. You gotta think I'm not thinking about 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.080 this is be from last year, like they was in 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.640 a hard fought battle and the put the Eastern Conference 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.280 finals last year, and uh so I didn't really pay 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.120 no attention. So I'm guarding Being. I just let him 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.320 score and row come from out of nowhere and just 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:55.880 push him. And Ben had just dealt with the death 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.919 in his family at the time, somebody had passed. But 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.640 not only that, we is busting their ass on national 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.760 TV for the world to see. They were in their feelings. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.440 Trust me, we served him up, bro. We served him 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:11.120 a nice shiny ass whipping with baby all I'm telling about. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.400 I'll take this ass whipping on national TV, you know 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.160 what I mean? And when when when run five Ben, 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.000 I think Being response was not only was he dealing 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:21.880 with the death, but they just came in here and 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:23.720 barrassed the ship out of you know what I mean. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.600 So when that happened, okay, I'm thinking bout Okay, let's 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.120 just break it up, trying to break it up. But 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.720 as we're breaking it up, you got Lindsay Hunter, you 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.000 got real Hamilton's. They still talking ship. So like I 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.160 said it, you don't tell you already know it. They'll 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:38.840 take nothing but a second from me. You gotta put 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.160 no battery in my back. As soon as I saw that, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.000 if you look at the tape, I walked all around 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.400 the whole circle and squared up. Took my jersey off, 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.160 you know, so my punch could come out, flew out. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.120 When my jersey took they're gonna hinder my punches. I 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.000 pulled my jersey out, square up, Nobody run up, you 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:53.640 know what I'm saying. So in that that moment, I'm 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.120 in fight mode, you know what I'm saying. And there's 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.000 a whole bunch of stuff going on. But what what 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.000 really egged everything on? They didn't do a good job 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.080 of getting being off the court. He kept doing she 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.760 threw something, kept throwing stuff, kept throwing stuff at Wrong 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.320 was cool, but people don't know wrong. Was told that 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:12.440 in this session to find a place when you get 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.680 to black about to explode, find a place to calm down. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.120 Wrong with laid on the table pus it put. It 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.720 was the craziest thing ever. But he put the headphones on. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.040 He found this happy place, you know what I'm saying, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.560 So he was cool. It's still a whole lot of 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.320 pushing going on at that time. No, you know what, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.520 Like I said, Ben still throwing stuff. So by that 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:35.560 time when the cup come, I'm just in survival mode. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:40.079 And once I saw my teammate go yeah, I didn't 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.000 think twice. Now I felt like I was back in 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.400 Port Author and went in the club when somebody threw 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:45.960 a punch of one of my homeboys. This is all 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.760 out braught. Now I'm in Sacramento at the time, and 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.640 we're just coming at a halftime. Um, I think we're 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:56.160 playing Memphis. And I turned back and look and I'm like, damn, 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.640 that's a fight. Damn. They're in the stands. So we 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.800 called the whole team pretty much, the whole team comes 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:02.800 back in the locker room, and I wanted to say 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.840 we're late out to the second half because we're in 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:09.640 there watching this all go down. So Ron gets up 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:14.439 in there. Ron initially get points out the wrong dude right, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:19.319 He grabs the wrong dude wrong, and then out of nowhere, 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.440 he run his dude. Someone throws something Ron, and then 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.599 that's once Ron is hanging up with this dude, and 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.640 then that's where you come in and clean old dude out. Yeah, 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.920 what people don't know, Matt. When I go in the stands, 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.400 I go up and initially grabbed heron. This is why 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.960 I hate why I got labeled, you know. And I 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.000 went up that actually grab you see me, I turned 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.840 to grab Ron. As I grabbed Ron, another fan throw 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.640 another beer in his face. Come on, man, you come here. 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.480 You gotta pay for that. Let me look at your 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.840 whole face. And he's lucky that they grabbed me because 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.440 I was find the Lewis man at him and stump 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.560 him out. Make his teeth touched the curb. I was 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.520 gonna stump him out. You what I mean, because I 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.079 was in fighting more. I was a survival mode. You 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.680 gotta think at that point, we didn't run into the stands. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.440 So what people don't know is where the rental was. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.600 That's not Detroit, That's nowhere close to Detroit. We would 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.920 have been in Detroit, a lot of players would have 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.440 been knocked out prior damn the dead in there. But 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:21.400 where we were, you know, when we got into the stands. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.720 It wasn't it wasn't going crazy, you know what I'm saying. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.080 We were really clearing people out, you know what I'm saying. 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.439 But the fact that my my my teammates that came 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.960 grabbed me and pulling me off, you know, that kind 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.360 of saved me some money too, because I was gonna 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.560 hurt the dude. Well that's what people don't I think, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.480 you know, not to make light And I kind of 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.920 laugh here and there because it's it's happened so long 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.400 ago and and we've been able to joke about it since. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.719 But on a on a serious tip, people don't understand, like, 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.800 as players, you can't just say anything or do anything 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.440 to us just because they're players. That I mean, we 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.599 hear the crazy. I mean, and you talk together. We 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.400 heard so much racial so many racial slurs, and throughout 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.439 my career, people have says stuff and I'm like, it 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.199 would make to play through it and yeah, you know 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.680 what I mean. You you're big, No, like that's you 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.719 don't you don't disrespect men like that, you know what 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.160 I mean? And I think there's a there's some kind 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:10.920 of understand that people think, oh it just because we 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:12.680 bought up, paid a bunch of money for this ticket. 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.839 We can say and do what we want to you, 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.240 you know what I mean. So, I mean talk is 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.880 one thing. You know, you go up and you know 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.160 they start throwing stuff and doing stuff like that's a 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.240 whole other thing. So you know, when I initially saw them, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:24.960 just like, damn, that's gonna be some trouble. But I 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:26.960 was thinking, like I understand it, you know what I mean, 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.280 Like you can't in the heat of the moment, you 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.120 know someone's throwing a fan of throwing something at you 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.760 like that ship should never happen. There's no amount of 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.720 money that you can pay me that. While I allow 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.679 to belittle me when I show everybody respect, I'm not. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.720 I'm not accepted it. You know, in no shape befo him, 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.000 especially now in any other place, any other setting. Throwing 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:53.360 a beer and somebody faces, you're going to jail. You're 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.120 going to jail for that. And if if you're in 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:57.880 the bar, somebody through a beer in your face and 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.560 you hit them back, you get off because that's the defense. 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.520 But me, I get thirty games and find them to 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.520 three million dollars. We'll talk to me about that. How 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.840 did that. I mean that that split second. You know, 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.600 being a great team and having your man's back change 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:17.120 you career wise, financial leads take us through that. Well, 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.880 having the game of basketball taking from me, I think 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.920 that's the lowest ever been in my life. Thirty games, huh. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.840 Just you know the fact that I can't play basketball 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:28.760 like that ship took as it took a lot out 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.800 of me. And um just sitting at home smoking with 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.800 the home is playing football in the snow, trying to 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.920 find something to do. It was nothing that can give 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:43.800 me what basketball game me. So that that was a 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:45.440 big turn in my life, you know what I'm saying, 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.760 because I wanted to get back so back. It made 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.720 me appreciate the game like I was in high school, 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:51.920 like I was in middle school again. So it was 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.000 a blessing in disguise. Besides being fined and losing the 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.360 money and all that it brought me, it gave me 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.120 the love back for the game from being away from 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:00.840 it so long. You feel like it costs you. You 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.280 know some stuff though as far as All Star games 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.240 and man, I mean, I think that's probably the only 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.360 thing I regret, man, because like I was, I was 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:13.560 labeled a bad guy of helping my teammate. And um, 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.360 I know a's at least two or three years in 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.640 my career. I was definitely All Star, deserved to make it, 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.160 but I got labeled by referees, I got labeled by coaches. 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.040 You know, Um he was even the time when I 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.520 was in Charlotte, and um I got to Charlotte, there 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.400 was a decent team, but they were at the bottom 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.800 of the East. As you know, I get us to 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.920 the playoffs, you know, and around around All Star time, 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:41.040 Geral Wallace made it. But when General Wallace made it, 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:42.839 everybody on the team, from the coach to MJ and 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.200 m for like, what, Jack is the reason why we're here. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.199 You know, we're happy to get up, but Jack is 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.520 the reason why we're here. And to the point where 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.440 you know, MJ made a call, you know, like we know, 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.280 we know it's more than just basketball now because look 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.120 at look at his numbers. Look at where we had 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.280 now since he's been here, and uh even further too, 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.880 and Golden State and gold State, you had the year 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:04.640 that you should have been an All Star. Yeah, but 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.520 you know, starting when I first got there, starting off 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.800 those seven games to spend it that hurt. That hurt me. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.240 That hurt me, you know what I'm saying. But MJ 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.920 had made that call and Paul Pierson got hurt, so 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.480 it was a spot they gave it to David Lee. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.240 My numbers was ten times better than his. They weren't 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.040 even in the playoffs, So at that point I knew 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.760 it was because of that. So that type of ship 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:29.360 hurt because you know how hard we work, and you 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.680 know how many people, our people already count us out 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.280 and we had to prove ourselves every night anyway, So 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.200 that all that from the brawl, that's just still hurt 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.520 to this day. How what was life like off the court? 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.800 I mean, I know you probably star the love people 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.640 love me for it, Like like all I hear is man, 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.280 I wish I had a friend like you. I need 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:49.760 a friend like you, you know what I mean? And 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.840 and I and I appreciate that because I'd rather be 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.240 known for somebody that's being a good friend of being 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.440 an asshole or dick. You know what I'm saying. I'm 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.560 I'm label that's being a good teammate. And if me 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.160 going in the stands says the standard of what a 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:09.160 teammates should be, I rocked with it. I was always 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.920 taught growing up to protect my brother and sister at 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.400 all costs. Like they fight, you fight. That's why I 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.320 grew up fighting my whole entire life. It was just 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.800 it was second nature to me. Tell me what it 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.560 was like for you. What triggered what? What in your 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.440 past trigged you to react the way you did during 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:32.680 the braw iran Um, Well, you know, just growing up 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.160 and put off the Texas. You know, everybody know everybody. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.800 So just that I got my brother back and my 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.440 brother's keeper attitude, that's just around the neighborhood with your friends. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.200 But when I lost my older brother, I was like 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.320 ship five minutes away, and um, he was jumped by 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.440 a couple of guys, end up beating him, hitting them 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.600 with bottles and pipes and ship and end up getting 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.800 eighteen stables in his headway. Eventually, as soon as the 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:04.080 ambulance got to was already brain dead. And just knowing 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.600 that I was that close and couldn't get there, you know, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.680 I know, should we both probably would have been dead, 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.240 I probably would have saved his life. I don't know 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.840 how I would have played out, but just knowing how 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.040 small my city is and how much we were together 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.960 and I couldn't get there. That made that not only 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:21.680 I was already that type of guy, but that made 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.080 me become more of a brother to you and everybody else, 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.800 you know what I'm saying. So when that situation with 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:30.880 Ron like your brother, I have to Yeah, I mean, 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.080 and that's what I say. Throughout my career, like I 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.040 treat my teammates like family. I was always taught to 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.000 protect my family. So anytime if you look at all 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.400 my funds throughout my career, people were never funking with me, 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.840 it was because I was protecting the Blake or CP 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.440 or taken up for Kobe or taking up for my teammates. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.280 Because if you funk with one and you fuck, you 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:50.480 know what you sunk with all of us. And I 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.040 think that's why we hit it off instantly, you know 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.120 what I mean we had when you were in the 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:56.640 in the broad I didn't know you, but I'm just like, 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.440 damn like everyone star, that's a real motherfucker right there, 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:00.920 like some of that as your back. I mean, that's 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.960 obviously some ship I would have, did you know? So 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.080 when you came to Golden State and I've seen your 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:07.479 lips were a little bit dry. I knew you've been 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.200 smoking dope. I was like, okay, so this is the 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.919 dude that fights any smokes will that this is the 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.000 match made of heaven. And I think we kind of 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.280 hit it off from there on out because we are 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.119 very similar in our upbringing and our thought process, in 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.920 our wearing our heart on our sleeve and will die 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.800 for our brother literally or physically, you know what I mean. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:32.360 So it's just it's refreshing to see. And unfortunately, before, 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:34.520 like you said, you couldn't tell your story. So you've 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.680 been labeled as this thug or this gang bang or 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.760 this this and that, you know what I mean. So 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.240 that was something I also had to learn to be like, Okay, 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.280 well the labels, if they don't know me, I don't 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.400 give a funk what they think. But that's easier said 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.199 than done, and it's a process, you know. I mean, 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.199 like you said, you were labeled for being a thug, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.600 for having your brother's back if he could have possibly 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.680 went up there by itself and really got hurt, you know, 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.440 I mean, the whole different story. So the fact that 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.320 you went up there and tried to help, but you 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.320 get a bad rap for it. I know that stuck 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:01.960 with you and burned for a while. It did. It 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.440 didn't like, you know, just being the game being taking 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.120 away from me, and people saying this about you, your 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.240 kids hearing this, you know what I'm saying, Your mama 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.760 hearing this, and you know that, ain't you? You know 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.399 what I mean? You know you were just being a 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.000 good brother, good teammate. It was. It was sucked up 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.120 for a while. But at the end of the day, 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.280 like you said, I had the attitude where should I 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.320 had to call somebody to get some fox to give 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.160 because I don't have no you know what I mean? 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.240 I ran out of box to give and and and 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.920 I became a better person after that. Fifteen years later, 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.439 knowing what you known, you would have sacrificed and lost 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:38.880 thirty games, three million possible All Star selections, bad reputation. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:44.320 Would you do it again again? Right now? For him 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.240 holding the camera, for him holding the my film camera, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.000 we go somewhere together, I do it again. That's the 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.080 type of personally I'm I didn't. I didn't do it 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.480 for recognition for people to say, here a real motherfucker. 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:56.720 That's just how I am. It's just how I was taught, 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.720