1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: November nineteen, two thousand four, fifteen years later. Uh. One 2 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: of the something that will always be mentioned when they 3 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: mentioned Stephen Jackson is the mouth in the Palace. But 4 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: I want to take a look back because something a 5 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: football version of that something what happened minus going in 6 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: the stands of world. You know last week, um Myles 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: Garrett on what Summer calling a questionable late hit hit 8 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: hit Mason Rudolph late in the game. Game was already 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: in hands. Guess Mason Rudolph took offense to it, try 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: to pull his helmetoff, didn't work, got his helmet pulled off. 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: Then he tried to rush him like he was really 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: gonna do something to him, and then got bopped with 13 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: the helmet, and uh, you know it's Miles Garrett's you know, 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: life is probably changing right now, you know what I 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: mean just from that incident. Uh, you know, if you 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: could tell him anything or what he's thinking right now, 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: take what would it be? What's the different time? You know? Um, 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: when that happened with us, we couldn't we couldn't come 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: out and speak social media on social media not like that, 20 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: and we couldn't control out on there. If you know 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: what I mean, I think he has the outlets too 22 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: say exactly what happened, to walk with people with the 23 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: video that might not see the things that he saw 24 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: actually actually being on the field. Um, a lot of 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: you know, I think we we had to sit back 26 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: and just take it. You know, with everything being on TV. 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: These guys are thugs. Uh, these guys are rich babies. 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: They shouldn't be in the NBA. I had never been 29 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: in trouble with the law of my life before that brawl. 30 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: I'd never been in the NBA fight in the game 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: before that brawl. So so I think he is. I 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: think he should just just stay quiet. But when he 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: has his time to speak, say everything, don't hold back. 34 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: He needs to come on here and he needs to 35 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: come on all the smoke and say everything. Well, I mean, 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: if he really want to get a story off, I 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: think the way the platform we created and the way 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: all the players are respecting, I think this is the 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: place for him because you know, we're not going to 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: judge him. And at the same time, what we're talking 41 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: to us we understand because we've been We've been there, 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's I can't tell, 43 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: I can't tell him another show he could go on 44 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: and talk to what people can relate to him like 45 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: we can. I feel you. So take me back to 46 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: your journey getting to the Pacers. Well, in OH three, 47 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: I won the championship with the Spurs. Um I was 48 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: looking for my big contract after I had I had 49 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: some big, big, big shots. But as you know now, 50 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: you can see now the Spurs were favoring three guys, Gennobly, 51 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: Tony and Tim Duncan. And Gennoble and Tony were up 52 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: the same time I was up, you know, and uh 53 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: I think they wanted to give them the big number 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: of contracts and low ball me was like three years, 55 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: nine million, and I felt insulted. You know, we wouldn't 56 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: have had a championship without me, We wouldn't have made 57 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: it out the Western Conference without me. And uh so 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: I decided to go to Atlanta for one year, improved 59 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: myself and around that time that year and Mike Brown 60 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: took an assistant head coach job in Indiana with Rick Carlisle. 61 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: And during the course of that year at Atlanta, you know, 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: I was I think I was having a great year, 63 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: but the second half of the season, I was like 64 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: sitting six and scoring in the whole league, and um, 65 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: Mike Brown can't call me up. We played him and 66 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: he pulled him and Brick put me to the side, 67 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: like we know he didn't get your contract this summer. 68 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: Keep a level head. Finished the season healthy, and we're 69 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: gonna bring it. You know, we're gonna give you the 70 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: contract next year. So with knowing that that that helped 71 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: me the rest of the season because I had to 72 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: was put up numbers. Our team was shitty, We was trash. Uh. 73 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: It was me, Bobby, Bob Sora, and Jayson Terry Yeah 74 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: and the rest in peace. Jason call you. We had 75 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Kay as well. Um, it was a small team. They 76 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: had no plans of winning. Terry Stouts was our coach 77 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: at the time. But I was just putting up numbers 78 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: and just just the fact that they came and told 79 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: me that I was gonna get my deal that summer. Um, 80 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: I knew the team was already good. They were one 81 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: of the best teams in the East. And to be 82 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: to know I was gonna be part of be a 83 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: part of that was good. Especially so you end up 84 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 1: getting your dealer fall in summer. I end up getting 85 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: my six years, six years six year deal for thirty 86 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: six but the equal out of being six years forty two. Okay, 87 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: So now you're in Indiana with the team that had 88 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: a bitter Eastern Conference accident the finals to the Pistons. 89 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: So you didn't really come in that situation understand what 90 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: kind of rival me what that was, did you? Well? I, 91 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: I really the only robber I understood at that time 92 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: was the Spurs and Lakers. And that wasn't the type 93 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: of robbery that Detroit and Indiana like. This was some 94 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 1: street chip that was not real. This is some back 95 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: some jail prison beef basketball, you know what I mean? 96 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: And uh, I walked into it, but I you know, 97 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: I have respect, so much respect. She was like a 98 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: big brother ripped man. Rip graduated in high school nine 99 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: six McDonald's All America. So we were great, great friends. 100 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: So the walking into that, I didn't know that I 101 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: was gonna have to pick a side like that. To 102 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: whether I knew I was gonna pick a side plant basketball, 103 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: but to to to start a fighting a bra I 104 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: didn't know ilays got to pick a side like that. 105 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: So here we are, the end of the of the game. 106 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: You guys got the game in hand, you have fifteen 107 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: fifteen points. Uh to me looking at the play, hard 108 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: foul Maybe maybe not. I mean it's Ron obviously Ben 109 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: took offense to it. Um, you know, looked like being 110 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: one of the bite runs head off they you know, 111 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: you got did a good job of keeping them all separate. 112 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: Ron gets here with something, he charges up in the stands. 113 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: At that moment, what made you charge? Well, at that moment, 114 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: my joenneral I was already in fight mode if you 115 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: look at it, you know, like I just said, man, 116 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: RiPP was cool. But at that moment when we was 117 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: you know, we were up fifteen. We this was the 118 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: game that was gonna separate us from everybody in the 119 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: Eastern Conference. We were fourteen and something. We like the 120 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: best record, I think the best record league at the time, 121 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: and we had beat almost all the big teams except 122 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: Detroit and um. You know, at the end of the game, 123 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: we were beating them, and I just knew that's someone right, 124 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because during the whole game 125 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: it was it was some disrespectful stuff said in the game. 126 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: So at the end of the game, were at the 127 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: free throw line, and uh, I'm shooting the free throw 128 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: and I hear I hear somebody in the back saying 129 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: you can get your file now. Wrong. I'm you know, 130 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm not really paying no attention. You know what I'm saying. 131 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: But I'm not. You gotta think I'm not thinking about 132 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: this is be from last year, like they was in 133 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: a hard fought battle and the put the Eastern Conference 134 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: finals last year, and uh so I didn't really pay 135 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: no attention. So I'm guarding Being. I just let him 136 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: score and row come from out of nowhere and just 137 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: push him. And Ben had just dealt with the death 138 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: in his family at the time, somebody had passed. But 139 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: not only that, we is busting their ass on national 140 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: TV for the world to see. They were in their feelings. 141 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: Trust me, we served him up, bro. We served him 142 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: a nice shiny ass whipping with baby all I'm telling about. 143 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: I'll take this ass whipping on national TV, you know 144 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: what I mean? And when when when run five Ben, 145 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: I think Being response was not only was he dealing 146 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: with the death, but they just came in here and 147 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: barrassed the ship out of you know what I mean. 148 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: So when that happened, okay, I'm thinking bout Okay, let's 149 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: just break it up, trying to break it up. But 150 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: as we're breaking it up, you got Lindsay Hunter, you 151 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: got real Hamilton's. They still talking ship. So like I 152 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: said it, you don't tell you already know it. They'll 153 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: take nothing but a second from me. You gotta put 154 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: no battery in my back. As soon as I saw that, 155 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: if you look at the tape, I walked all around 156 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: the whole circle and squared up. Took my jersey off, 157 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, so my punch could come out, flew out. 158 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: When my jersey took they're gonna hinder my punches. I 159 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: pulled my jersey out, square up, Nobody run up, you 160 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So in that that moment, I'm 161 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: in fight mode, you know what I'm saying. And there's 162 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff going on. But what what 163 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: really egged everything on? They didn't do a good job 164 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: of getting being off the court. He kept doing she 165 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: threw something, kept throwing stuff, kept throwing stuff at Wrong 166 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: was cool, but people don't know wrong. Was told that 167 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: in this session to find a place when you get 168 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: to black about to explode, find a place to calm down. 169 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: Wrong with laid on the table pus it put. It 170 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: was the craziest thing ever. But he put the headphones on. 171 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: He found this happy place, you know what I'm saying, 172 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: So he was cool. It's still a whole lot of 173 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: pushing going on at that time. No, you know what, 174 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: Like I said, Ben still throwing stuff. So by that 175 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: time when the cup come, I'm just in survival mode. 176 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: And once I saw my teammate go yeah, I didn't 177 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: think twice. Now I felt like I was back in 178 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: Port Author and went in the club when somebody threw 179 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: a punch of one of my homeboys. This is all 180 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: out braught. Now I'm in Sacramento at the time, and 181 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: we're just coming at a halftime. Um, I think we're 182 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: playing Memphis. And I turned back and look and I'm like, damn, 183 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: that's a fight. Damn. They're in the stands. So we 184 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: called the whole team pretty much, the whole team comes 185 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: back in the locker room, and I wanted to say 186 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: we're late out to the second half because we're in 187 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: there watching this all go down. So Ron gets up 188 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: in there. Ron initially get points out the wrong dude right, 189 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: He grabs the wrong dude wrong, and then out of nowhere, 190 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: he run his dude. Someone throws something Ron, and then 191 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,599 Speaker 1: that's once Ron is hanging up with this dude, and 192 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: then that's where you come in and clean old dude out. Yeah, 193 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: what people don't know, Matt. When I go in the stands, 194 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: I go up and initially grabbed heron. This is why 195 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: I hate why I got labeled, you know. And I 196 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: went up that actually grab you see me, I turned 197 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: to grab Ron. As I grabbed Ron, another fan throw 198 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: another beer in his face. Come on, man, you come here. 199 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: You gotta pay for that. Let me look at your 200 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: whole face. And he's lucky that they grabbed me because 201 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: I was find the Lewis man at him and stump 202 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: him out. Make his teeth touched the curb. I was 203 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: gonna stump him out. You what I mean, because I 204 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: was in fighting more. I was a survival mode. You 205 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: gotta think at that point, we didn't run into the stands. 206 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: So what people don't know is where the rental was. 207 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: That's not Detroit, That's nowhere close to Detroit. We would 208 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: have been in Detroit, a lot of players would have 209 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: been knocked out prior damn the dead in there. But 210 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: where we were, you know, when we got into the stands. 211 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't going crazy, you know what I'm saying. 212 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: We were really clearing people out, you know what I'm saying. 213 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: But the fact that my my my teammates that came 214 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: grabbed me and pulling me off, you know, that kind 215 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: of saved me some money too, because I was gonna 216 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: hurt the dude. Well that's what people don't I think, 217 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, not to make light And I kind of 218 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: laugh here and there because it's it's happened so long 219 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: ago and and we've been able to joke about it since. 220 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: But on a on a serious tip, people don't understand, like, 221 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: as players, you can't just say anything or do anything 222 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: to us just because they're players. That I mean, we 223 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 1: hear the crazy. I mean, and you talk together. We 224 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: heard so much racial so many racial slurs, and throughout 225 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: my career, people have says stuff and I'm like, it 226 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: would make to play through it and yeah, you know 227 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: what I mean. You you're big, No, like that's you 228 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: don't you don't disrespect men like that, you know what 229 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean? And I think there's a there's some kind 230 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: of understand that people think, oh it just because we 231 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: bought up, paid a bunch of money for this ticket. 232 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: We can say and do what we want to you, 233 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, I mean talk is 234 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: one thing. You know, you go up and you know 235 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: they start throwing stuff and doing stuff like that's a 236 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: whole other thing. So you know, when I initially saw them, 237 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: just like, damn, that's gonna be some trouble. But I 238 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: was thinking, like I understand it, you know what I mean, 239 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: Like you can't in the heat of the moment, you 240 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: know someone's throwing a fan of throwing something at you 241 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: like that ship should never happen. There's no amount of 242 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: money that you can pay me that. While I allow 243 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: to belittle me when I show everybody respect, I'm not. 244 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm not accepted it. You know, in no shape befo him, 245 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: especially now in any other place, any other setting. Throwing 246 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: a beer and somebody faces, you're going to jail. You're 247 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: going to jail for that. And if if you're in 248 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: the bar, somebody through a beer in your face and 249 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: you hit them back, you get off because that's the defense. 250 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: But me, I get thirty games and find them to 251 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: three million dollars. We'll talk to me about that. How 252 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: did that. I mean that that split second. You know, 253 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: being a great team and having your man's back change 254 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: you career wise, financial leads take us through that. Well, 255 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: having the game of basketball taking from me, I think 256 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: that's the lowest ever been in my life. Thirty games, huh. 257 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: Just you know the fact that I can't play basketball 258 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: like that ship took as it took a lot out 259 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: of me. And um just sitting at home smoking with 260 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: the home is playing football in the snow, trying to 261 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: find something to do. It was nothing that can give 262 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: me what basketball game me. So that that was a 263 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: big turn in my life, you know what I'm saying, 264 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: because I wanted to get back so back. It made 265 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: me appreciate the game like I was in high school, 266 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: like I was in middle school again. So it was 267 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: a blessing in disguise. Besides being fined and losing the 268 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: money and all that it brought me, it gave me 269 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: the love back for the game from being away from 270 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: it so long. You feel like it costs you. You 271 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: know some stuff though as far as All Star games 272 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: and man, I mean, I think that's probably the only 273 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: thing I regret, man, because like I was, I was 274 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: labeled a bad guy of helping my teammate. And um, 275 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: I know a's at least two or three years in 276 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: my career. I was definitely All Star, deserved to make it, 277 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: but I got labeled by referees, I got labeled by coaches. 278 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: You know, Um he was even the time when I 279 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: was in Charlotte, and um I got to Charlotte, there 280 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: was a decent team, but they were at the bottom 281 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: of the East. As you know, I get us to 282 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: the playoffs, you know, and around around All Star time, 283 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: Geral Wallace made it. But when General Wallace made it, 284 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: everybody on the team, from the coach to MJ and 285 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: m for like, what, Jack is the reason why we're here. 286 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: You know, we're happy to get up, but Jack is 287 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: the reason why we're here. And to the point where 288 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, MJ made a call, you know, like we know, 289 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: we know it's more than just basketball now because look 290 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: at look at his numbers. Look at where we had 291 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: now since he's been here, and uh even further too, 292 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: and Golden State and gold State, you had the year 293 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: that you should have been an All Star. Yeah, but 294 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, starting when I first got there, starting off 295 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: those seven games to spend it that hurt. That hurt me. 296 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: That hurt me, you know what I'm saying. But MJ 297 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: had made that call and Paul Pierson got hurt, so 298 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: it was a spot they gave it to David Lee. 299 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: My numbers was ten times better than his. They weren't 300 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: even in the playoffs, So at that point I knew 301 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: it was because of that. So that type of ship 302 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: hurt because you know how hard we work, and you 303 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: know how many people, our people already count us out 304 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: and we had to prove ourselves every night anyway, So 305 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: that all that from the brawl, that's just still hurt 306 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: to this day. How what was life like off the court? 307 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you probably star the love people 308 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: love me for it, Like like all I hear is man, 309 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: I wish I had a friend like you. I need 310 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: a friend like you, you know what I mean? And 311 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: and I and I appreciate that because I'd rather be 312 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: known for somebody that's being a good friend of being 313 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: an asshole or dick. You know what I'm saying. I'm 314 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm label that's being a good teammate. And if me 315 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: going in the stands says the standard of what a 316 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: teammates should be, I rocked with it. I was always 317 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: taught growing up to protect my brother and sister at 318 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: all costs. Like they fight, you fight. That's why I 319 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: grew up fighting my whole entire life. It was just 320 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: it was second nature to me. Tell me what it 321 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: was like for you. What triggered what? What in your 322 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: past trigged you to react the way you did during 323 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: the braw iran Um, Well, you know, just growing up 324 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: and put off the Texas. You know, everybody know everybody. 325 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: So just that I got my brother back and my 326 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: brother's keeper attitude, that's just around the neighborhood with your friends. 327 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: But when I lost my older brother, I was like 328 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: ship five minutes away, and um, he was jumped by 329 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: a couple of guys, end up beating him, hitting them 330 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: with bottles and pipes and ship and end up getting 331 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: eighteen stables in his headway. Eventually, as soon as the 332 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: ambulance got to was already brain dead. And just knowing 333 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: that I was that close and couldn't get there, you know, 334 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: I know, should we both probably would have been dead, 335 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: I probably would have saved his life. I don't know 336 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: how I would have played out, but just knowing how 337 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: small my city is and how much we were together 338 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: and I couldn't get there. That made that not only 339 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: I was already that type of guy, but that made 340 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: me become more of a brother to you and everybody else, 341 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when that situation with 342 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: Ron like your brother, I have to Yeah, I mean, 343 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: and that's what I say. Throughout my career, like I 344 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: treat my teammates like family. I was always taught to 345 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: protect my family. So anytime if you look at all 346 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: my funds throughout my career, people were never funking with me, 347 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: it was because I was protecting the Blake or CP 348 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: or taken up for Kobe or taking up for my teammates. 349 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: Because if you funk with one and you fuck, you 350 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: know what you sunk with all of us. And I 351 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: think that's why we hit it off instantly, you know 352 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: what I mean we had when you were in the 353 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: in the broad I didn't know you, but I'm just like, 354 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: damn like everyone star, that's a real motherfucker right there, 355 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: like some of that as your back. I mean, that's 356 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: obviously some ship I would have, did you know? So 357 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: when you came to Golden State and I've seen your 358 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: lips were a little bit dry. I knew you've been 359 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: smoking dope. I was like, okay, so this is the 360 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: dude that fights any smokes will that this is the 361 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: match made of heaven. And I think we kind of 362 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: hit it off from there on out because we are 363 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: very similar in our upbringing and our thought process, in 364 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: our wearing our heart on our sleeve and will die 365 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: for our brother literally or physically, you know what I mean. 366 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: So it's just it's refreshing to see. And unfortunately, before, 367 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: like you said, you couldn't tell your story. So you've 368 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: been labeled as this thug or this gang bang or 369 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: this this and that, you know what I mean. So 370 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: that was something I also had to learn to be like, Okay, 371 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: well the labels, if they don't know me, I don't 372 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: give a funk what they think. But that's easier said 373 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: than done, and it's a process, you know. I mean, 374 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: like you said, you were labeled for being a thug, 375 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: for having your brother's back if he could have possibly 376 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: went up there by itself and really got hurt, you know, 377 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole different story. So the fact that 378 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: you went up there and tried to help, but you 379 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: get a bad rap for it. I know that stuck 380 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: with you and burned for a while. It did. It 381 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: didn't like, you know, just being the game being taking 382 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: away from me, and people saying this about you, your 383 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: kids hearing this, you know what I'm saying, Your mama 384 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: hearing this, and you know that, ain't you? You know 385 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: what I mean? You know you were just being a 386 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: good brother, good teammate. It was. It was sucked up 387 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: for a while. But at the end of the day, 388 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: like you said, I had the attitude where should I 389 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: had to call somebody to get some fox to give 390 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: because I don't have no you know what I mean? 391 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: I ran out of box to give and and and 392 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: I became a better person after that. Fifteen years later, 393 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: knowing what you known, you would have sacrificed and lost 394 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: thirty games, three million possible All Star selections, bad reputation. 395 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: Would you do it again again? Right now? For him 396 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: holding the camera, for him holding the my film camera, 397 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: we go somewhere together, I do it again. That's the 398 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: type of personally I'm I didn't. I didn't do it 399 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: for recognition for people to say, here a real motherfucker. 400 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: That's just how I am. It's just how I was taught, 401 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: so yeah, I'll do it again. I just regret. I 402 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: just we're go losing them Mann me getting back. Uh 403 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: huh oh h h oh h h m hmmm