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I kept saying that 0:01:40.258 --> 0:01:42.898 I find this interesting, and I actually went back and 0:01:42.938 --> 0:01:44.818 listened to, which I don't often do, but I did 0:01:44.858 --> 0:01:48.738 to that part because I felt myself doing that radio 0:01:48.818 --> 0:01:52.698 and I absolutely said, like four times about four different 0:01:52.698 --> 0:01:55.378 things that I was claiming, wasn't an interesting somebody? 0:01:55.738 --> 0:01:58.618 Somebody's going to be watching some North Carolina football next 0:01:58.698 --> 0:01:59.298 year come the. 0:01:59.258 --> 0:02:02.458 Fall, to be fair, to be fair, like it's Bill Belichick, 0:02:02.538 --> 0:02:05.538 like where you were, I work for the Patriots. Like 0:02:06.138 --> 0:02:08.778 obviously it's obvious that I would be interested in Bill. 0:02:08.938 --> 0:02:10.418 That was the whole take. That was it. 0:02:10.697 --> 0:02:13.218 It's Bill Belichick's putting a team on the field. How 0:02:13.298 --> 0:02:14.178 was that not interesting? 0:02:14.618 --> 0:02:17.498 That was the take? Yeah, but that that's me, Like 0:02:17.578 --> 0:02:20.818 I'm talking about like I think like some Patriots Dick 0:02:20.858 --> 0:02:21.498 and Larry, you. 0:02:21.498 --> 0:02:23.618 Know, Like I'm not talking about me like I'm the 0:02:23.658 --> 0:02:26.378 target audience for anything. Bill Belichick is a. 0:02:26.498 --> 0:02:32.418 Is an NFL exclusive fan in Boston, anywhere anywhere besides 0:02:32.458 --> 0:02:34.618 New England gonna watch maybe not. I think Patriots fans 0:02:34.658 --> 0:02:36.977 are going to be interested because it is Bill Belichick. Yeah, 0:02:36.978 --> 0:02:39.458 I mean that that's valid. That's Veld. That's the whole thing. 0:02:40.058 --> 0:02:42.218 No, you did, you were gushing a little bit about 0:02:42.258 --> 0:02:46.058 college football. All right, calm down, bother I do that. 0:02:46.058 --> 0:02:48.698 That is it has gone right up Felger's tail by. 0:02:48.698 --> 0:02:52.898 That that has made my week, just constantly ripping you 0:02:53.018 --> 0:02:54.538 and calling you barthy. 0:02:54.498 --> 0:02:56.338 And all of it. He calls me Barty one where 0:02:56.778 --> 0:02:57.818 it is fantastic. 0:02:58.218 --> 0:03:01.618 Hey, Patriots fans, if you want to see Toyota's Toyota's right, 0:03:01.738 --> 0:03:06.578 Toyota Toyota's best offers, including those not seen on TV, 0:03:07.018 --> 0:03:09.498 go to buy a Toyota dot. 0:03:09.298 --> 0:03:11.137 Com you didn't do at that time. It's Toyota. 0:03:11.377 --> 0:03:15.498 It's Toyota's official website for deals for the official vehicle 0:03:15.538 --> 0:03:18.778 of the New England Patriots, Toyota. Let's go places. 0:03:18.938 --> 0:03:22.058 When does Jordan Love get his Toyota deal? I didn't 0:03:22.058 --> 0:03:23.898 know about this, so I'll pull up the numbers for you. 0:03:23.898 --> 0:03:26.098 Do the second read a drink easy to enjoy it, 0:03:26.138 --> 0:03:28.818 but like the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots, 0:03:29.058 --> 0:03:31.257 just just save it for a little Okay. I do 0:03:31.377 --> 0:03:33.178 want to talk some Patriots and then we can get 0:03:33.218 --> 0:03:34.498 into the well. I was trying to line it up 0:03:34.538 --> 0:03:37.538 with the read. I'm trying to help the sponsor. Yeah, okay, 0:03:37.538 --> 0:03:41.938 what do you got? So Jordan Love during Toyota thon, 0:03:42.858 --> 0:03:48.138 So this it's a what's it called? It's an anomaly? Yeah, 0:03:48.218 --> 0:03:50.498 I'm trying to find the actual distribution of the numbers. 0:03:51.018 --> 0:03:54.298 Jordan Love in his career is like night and day, 0:03:54.338 --> 0:03:56.178 a different quarterback during Toyota thon. 0:03:56.738 --> 0:03:59.658 Okay, but isn't that just lining up with He's better 0:03:59.698 --> 0:04:01.298 late in the year, late in the year, and the 0:04:01.338 --> 0:04:03.577 Packers are starting to roll Like that's well. 0:04:03.378 --> 0:04:06.858 It's not just this year, it's career. So Jordan Love 0:04:07.458 --> 0:04:11.578 touchdown interception ratio not during Toyota than for his career, Okay, 0:04:11.658 --> 0:04:14.778 twenty nine and twenty five, twenty nine touchdowns, twenty nine picks. Okay, 0:04:15.098 --> 0:04:18.738 Jordan Love and thirty two hundred yards Jordan Love during 0:04:18.778 --> 0:04:23.218 Toyota than which is fewer games, Yeah, thirty two hundred yards, 0:04:23.258 --> 0:04:25.258 twenty six touchdowns, only two picks. 0:04:25.577 --> 0:04:30.138 He's an MVP of the league when it's Toyota than like, yeah, yeah. 0:04:29.978 --> 0:04:34.378 Jordan this year during Toyota than sixty nine completion percentage, 0:04:34.418 --> 0:04:37.058 He's averaging about ten yards per attempt, eleven hundred yards 0:04:37.058 --> 0:04:39.458 and five games, eight touchdowns, one pick, one hundred and 0:04:39.457 --> 0:04:40.298 twenty passer rating. 0:04:41.097 --> 0:04:44.178 A little bit of Jordan Love and Drake May I know, 0:04:44.217 --> 0:04:46.977 we're like we make like seventeen different comparisons. I feel 0:04:47.018 --> 0:04:49.298 like for Drake made. It's Josh Allen. It's justin Herbert 0:04:49.658 --> 0:04:52.417 like I could see a little bit of Jordan Love 0:04:52.457 --> 0:04:53.058 in there as well. 0:04:53.097 --> 0:04:54.857 But I want to we need to figure out what 0:04:55.138 --> 0:04:59.017 Dan would Drake May's like Jordan Love is Toyota tha On? 0:04:59.058 --> 0:05:01.858 Hopefully it's not super summer for Drake May. That doesn't 0:05:01.857 --> 0:05:04.537 help us at all. What are the other ones? Isn't 0:05:04.538 --> 0:05:07.658 it like Trucktober or something that doesn't really help either? 0:05:09.018 --> 0:05:11.337 He'd like, well, if you put him together, because trust 0:05:11.378 --> 0:05:12.337 something in January? 0:05:12.418 --> 0:05:13.417 Maybe you know something. 0:05:13.618 --> 0:05:19.178 December Toyota Thon ends. The last Sunday of the regular season. 0:05:19.258 --> 0:05:21.938 Is the last Sunday during Toyota Than. Okay, so Toyota 0:05:21.938 --> 0:05:26.138 Than does not include the playoffs. Okay yet? Okay, Yeah, 0:05:26.178 --> 0:05:27.938 maybe he gets a deal with Toyota and he gets 0:05:27.977 --> 0:05:29.898 him to push that. But I love it. 0:05:29.938 --> 0:05:32.498 All right, Let's get back to the task at hand 0:05:33.178 --> 0:05:36.337 and talk a little bit about the Patriots. I understand 0:05:36.378 --> 0:05:39.217 that this has been this has been a week, this 0:05:39.258 --> 0:05:41.177 has been this has been a week coming off this 0:05:41.298 --> 0:05:45.537 Cardinals game, and I understand a lot of the criticisms 0:05:45.538 --> 0:05:48.097 for the Patriots and for the Patriots coaching staff. 0:05:48.618 --> 0:05:51.617 But as you can imagine Alex. The one thing that 0:05:51.618 --> 0:05:52.337 that kind of. 0:05:52.298 --> 0:05:56.257 Just just bothers me a little bit about the discourse 0:05:56.298 --> 0:06:00.017 around Drodmeo right now is how much focus there is 0:06:00.058 --> 0:06:03.098 on press conferences like that. That piece of it to 0:06:03.138 --> 0:06:06.378 me really just kind of like, uh, it misses the 0:06:06.418 --> 0:06:07.338 mark a little bit. 0:06:07.778 --> 0:06:08.457 And and. 0:06:09.778 --> 0:06:11.658 I want to preface that by saying, like, this is 0:06:11.698 --> 0:06:14.178 not excuse making for draw because I'm about to tell 0:06:14.178 --> 0:06:16.738 you how I really feel, right but like I just 0:06:17.778 --> 0:06:21.178 when I watch and listen and hear and read people 0:06:21.618 --> 0:06:24.738 that are going over at all of his press conferences 0:06:24.818 --> 0:06:27.738 and all this kind of stuff and being super critical 0:06:27.778 --> 0:06:29.657 of things that he says are the things that he 0:06:30.018 --> 0:06:34.938 that he or whatever, I just truly feel that it 0:06:35.018 --> 0:06:37.858 is like low hanging fruit, Like it's we don't want 0:06:37.857 --> 0:06:40.658 to actually talk about the actual football of what's going 0:06:40.698 --> 0:06:42.538 on with the Patriots. But did you hear what he 0:06:42.577 --> 0:06:44.777 said about the press conference at the press conference after 0:06:44.818 --> 0:06:47.378 the game, right Like it's that sort of thing, and uh, 0:06:47.778 --> 0:06:50.338 as a show that's all about the actual weeds and 0:06:50.378 --> 0:06:53.498 the x's and o's, it just I want to talk 0:06:53.498 --> 0:06:57.818 about that stuff because my biggest issues with the Patriots 0:06:57.898 --> 0:07:01.378 right now is what's going on tape. It has nothing 0:07:01.418 --> 0:07:03.897 to do with what's going on at press conferences, right, 0:07:04.058 --> 0:07:06.218 And one of the things you know with press conferences, 0:07:06.658 --> 0:07:11.218 to Dan Campbell got dragged like he got absolutely killed 0:07:11.218 --> 0:07:13.818 for the kneecaps thing. Yeah, if you had I when 0:07:13.977 --> 0:07:16.618 I saw that introductory press conference by Dan Campbell and 0:07:16.658 --> 0:07:20.498 he did the kneecaps thing the bit, right, I thought 0:07:20.578 --> 0:07:22.618 for sure that guy was gonna fail. Like you know me, 0:07:22.737 --> 0:07:25.498 I was like, oh, get this hard O at before that, 0:07:25.658 --> 0:07:27.538 I thought for sure he was going to fail at 0:07:27.578 --> 0:07:29.937 that press conference. If you asked me that day, do 0:07:30.058 --> 0:07:32.137 I think Campbell's gonna be a good head coach? 0:07:32.418 --> 0:07:33.218 I would tell you no. 0:07:34.378 --> 0:07:37.538 I would also say the same thing about Bill, Like Bill, 0:07:37.737 --> 0:07:40.858 the way he conducted himself at press conferences was criticized 0:07:40.898 --> 0:07:43.618 for twenty five years, and then to go even to 0:07:43.778 --> 0:07:48.977 in game stuff in game coaching, like Andy Reid was 0:07:49.138 --> 0:07:53.338 dragged for game management for it for fifteen years until 0:07:53.378 --> 0:07:55.618 he got Patrick Mahomes and he just didn't matter, right. 0:07:55.857 --> 0:07:58.417 And plus now the Chiefs are great late in games, 0:07:58.538 --> 0:08:00.578 like they're probably the best team in the league in 0:08:00.658 --> 0:08:03.938 close games in the fourth quarter. My point by bringing 0:08:04.018 --> 0:08:05.778 up all those guys and I know that those are 0:08:05.778 --> 0:08:08.938 all the rosy you know, success stories of bad first 0:08:08.977 --> 0:08:11.578 year turn it around sort of thing. But my point 0:08:11.578 --> 0:08:13.377 of bringing up all those guys is that I feel 0:08:13.378 --> 0:08:17.338 like those elements of head coaching do get better. Like, 0:08:17.338 --> 0:08:20.338 if you're a good coach, I think you learn how 0:08:20.418 --> 0:08:24.858 to time management. I think you learn press conference etiquette. 0:08:24.898 --> 0:08:28.778 I think you learn all of these CEO type elements 0:08:28.818 --> 0:08:31.177 of being a head coach. And I would be more 0:08:31.218 --> 0:08:34.738 than willing to take on those growing pains with Gerrod 0:08:34.778 --> 0:08:37.938 Mayo in this coaching staff when it comes to all 0:08:38.018 --> 0:08:40.898 that kind of stuff. If I thought that the team 0:08:41.018 --> 0:08:43.778 was coached well on Sundays and I just don't feel 0:08:43.818 --> 0:08:47.098 like I am seeing enough of that, Sure you can 0:08:47.218 --> 0:08:49.418 jump in. I have some more stuff I want to 0:08:49.498 --> 0:08:51.578 unpack from there, but no, I'll just I'll. 0:08:51.418 --> 0:08:54.298 Echo something Felger said this week, like I don't I 0:08:54.458 --> 0:08:57.778 care more about So the comment was that you said 0:08:57.818 --> 0:09:03.218 that not me, right, Yeah, was in regards to essentially 0:09:03.257 --> 0:09:04.857 not being able to pick up a yard on third 0:09:04.857 --> 0:09:06.818 and one, fourth and one, a crucial point in the game. Right, 0:09:07.898 --> 0:09:09.898 I care a lot more that they didn't pick up 0:09:09.898 --> 0:09:12.938 the yard. Yeah, Then the way Gerard Mayo addressed it. 0:09:12.938 --> 0:09:15.338 It's it's just a winning cures all thing. Yeah, Like, 0:09:15.658 --> 0:09:18.618 look at Joe Mizula. Joe Mizula says weird stuff in 0:09:18.617 --> 0:09:20.618 press conferences all the time. He said yesterday he doesn't 0:09:20.617 --> 0:09:23.458 watch the NBA. Yeah, but the team's a wagon and 0:09:23.458 --> 0:09:24.818 we just kind of laugh about it. 0:09:24.898 --> 0:09:25.218 Yeah. 0:09:25.257 --> 0:09:27.578 So now, obviously Joe Missoula is it's it's not to 0:09:27.617 --> 0:09:30.458 compare Joe Mazula girod Mayo. Joe Mizula has built all 0:09:30.497 --> 0:09:32.658 ready in a short time a very impressive resume. But 0:09:32.698 --> 0:09:35.098 the point being, at the end of the day, they're 0:09:35.098 --> 0:09:38.338 losing football games, and everything becomes more frustrating when you're 0:09:38.418 --> 0:09:40.698 you're losing. And I'm with you. That's not to say 0:09:40.737 --> 0:09:43.657 he there aren't things to clean up in the press conference. 0:09:43.658 --> 0:09:51.497 There certainly are. If he's giving you know, the ninety 0:09:51.538 --> 0:09:54.137 eight Michael Jordan of press conference, right, the seven Tom 0:09:54.178 --> 0:09:57.857 Brady of press conferences, and they still ninety six Jordan, 0:09:57.977 --> 0:10:01.658 thank you, you know, the the you know, two thousand 0:10:01.737 --> 0:10:05.898 Ken Griffe Junior press conferences. Yea, and they're still only 0:10:05.938 --> 0:10:09.378 winning three games a year. I really won't care, Like 0:10:09.458 --> 0:10:13.138 that doesn't mean anything to me. Win the games and 0:10:13.257 --> 0:10:15.058 I'm with you, like, if you want to talk about 0:10:15.058 --> 0:10:18.178 what's being said at the press conference is like, I 0:10:18.178 --> 0:10:20.298 get it, it's a I understand why it's a story. 0:10:20.377 --> 0:10:22.938 I'm not faulting anybody from talking for talking about it. 0:10:23.137 --> 0:10:25.618 Mean too. I guess my point is more in especially 0:10:25.617 --> 0:10:28.737 on this show, what we do. How about the questions 0:10:28.778 --> 0:10:31.617 that are being asked that are leading to these answers, Right, 0:10:32.338 --> 0:10:34.977 what's going wrong on the field, Because if you start 0:10:34.977 --> 0:10:36.737 fixing some of that, if you can pick up they 0:10:36.737 --> 0:10:39.458 had two chances to gain one yard convincingly and I 0:10:39.538 --> 0:10:41.338 still think there was a bad spot on the third down, 0:10:41.617 --> 0:10:43.857 but they had two chances to pick up one yard 0:10:43.898 --> 0:10:46.338 convincingly and couldn't do it. You pick up that yard, 0:10:46.538 --> 0:10:51.018 the question never happens. So fix what's happening on the field, 0:10:51.617 --> 0:10:53.458 and I think the rest takes care of itself. I 0:10:53.458 --> 0:10:55.658 don't think, well, he needs to be better in press conferences. 0:10:55.778 --> 0:10:57.977 Could he be better? Yeah, I'm not saying he couldn't. 0:10:58.658 --> 0:11:00.617 It doesn't do anything if the product on the field 0:11:00.617 --> 0:11:01.218 doesn't change. 0:11:01.458 --> 0:11:03.938 Yeah. I just think that not a lot of people 0:11:04.257 --> 0:11:08.178 want to have the conversations of like, what's going actually 0:11:08.257 --> 0:11:10.938 wrong with the defense and the offensive line and the 0:11:10.977 --> 0:11:14.098 play calling. And that's what I want to unpack because 0:11:14.418 --> 0:11:16.938 I don't want to talk about press conferences. When we 0:11:17.338 --> 0:11:19.698 came off of the Colts game, I didn't want to 0:11:19.737 --> 0:11:22.058 talk about did he manage the game correctly? 0:11:22.058 --> 0:11:24.738 And now that's in game stuff. This is where you 0:11:24.818 --> 0:11:30.618 lose me that football coaching. But it matters, but you 0:11:30.617 --> 0:11:32.938 don't want to talk about it because it's not nerd stuff. 0:11:32.898 --> 0:11:34.778 But it will get My point is that I would 0:11:34.818 --> 0:11:38.138 allow some grace for him to improve in that area 0:11:38.778 --> 0:11:43.777 if I thought that he if I thought that defensively, 0:11:44.218 --> 0:11:46.578 they were putting out a good product every single week. 0:11:46.818 --> 0:11:49.137 And the reason why I bring that up is because 0:11:49.497 --> 0:11:51.138 you know all the coaches that you hate that I 0:11:51.218 --> 0:11:54.897 love Kyle Shanahan, those types of guys like no matter 0:11:54.977 --> 0:11:58.257 what happens with Shanahan, who also tends to be a 0:11:58.257 --> 0:11:59.818 little bit snarky at press conferences. 0:11:59.857 --> 0:12:02.178 To remember when they asked hibout, Jimmy Garoppolo is like 0:12:02.218 --> 0:12:03.897 will he be on the team next week? And Shanahan 0:12:03.977 --> 0:12:05.377 was like, I don't know if anybody will be alive 0:12:05.617 --> 0:12:05.978 this week? 0:12:06.058 --> 0:12:09.777 Right, yeah, Like he's also a little weird. Hey, it's 0:12:09.778 --> 0:12:13.218 a stress environment, has a little Missoula in him, Kyle Shanahan. 0:12:13.818 --> 0:12:16.818 But except for the winning championships part. Okay, I saw 0:12:16.898 --> 0:12:18.818 that coming out. I said it was wrong. 0:12:19.377 --> 0:12:23.897 So here's the thing though, Like Kyle Shanahan brings one 0:12:23.938 --> 0:12:26.578 of the best schemes on the offensive side of the 0:12:26.578 --> 0:12:29.737 ball to the game every single Sunday, right like he 0:12:29.938 --> 0:12:33.578 That's that's the trade off, right, The trade off is, Yeah, 0:12:33.617 --> 0:12:36.458 you might get some quirky press conferences. Yeah, you might 0:12:36.497 --> 0:12:39.178 get you know, you people like you. The time management, 0:12:39.257 --> 0:12:42.098 you know, the clock management, not running the ball late 0:12:42.137 --> 0:12:44.098 in games to milk the clock like that stuff's gonna 0:12:44.178 --> 0:12:47.897 drive everybody crazy. But every single week, the forty nine 0:12:47.977 --> 0:12:49.778 ers and Kyle Shanahan have a chance to win the 0:12:49.818 --> 0:12:52.898 game because his scheme is is fantastic. 0:12:53.418 --> 0:12:54.778 They have a chance to do it, and they do 0:12:54.818 --> 0:12:57.218 it about half the time. I would argue that the 0:12:57.257 --> 0:12:59.698 management thing plays into that too. Though. Look at a 0:12:59.737 --> 0:13:03.617 guy like Mike Tomlin, who he has his intricacies in prescommens. 0:13:03.658 --> 0:13:05.698 Remember a couple of weeks ago, he wouldn't call Lamar 0:13:05.778 --> 0:13:08.378 Jackson Lamar. He gets saying mister Jackson, I guess kind 0:13:08.377 --> 0:13:10.818 of a weird thing. Yeah, you know, every week Mike 0:13:11.017 --> 0:13:14.178 Tomlin's team is going to come out prepared right sound. 0:13:14.218 --> 0:13:16.538 It's not about the scheme. The scheme's good, but like, yeah, 0:13:16.617 --> 0:13:20.177 play sound fundamental football and he's going to do his part. 0:13:20.418 --> 0:13:22.257 And that's not a joke about him nearly tripping to 0:13:22.338 --> 0:13:25.098 Kobe Ford down the sideline. I don't remember the last 0:13:25.098 --> 0:13:28.458 time I was watching the Steelers and go for it 0:13:28.658 --> 0:13:31.617 or kick decision or time out usage your clock management, 0:13:31.698 --> 0:13:35.377 Like Mike Tomlins as buttoned up as anybody in that regard. Yeah, 0:13:35.458 --> 0:13:38.818 so the game management thing can apply to that too. Again, 0:13:38.898 --> 0:13:41.578 it's just if the product on the field is better one, 0:13:42.058 --> 0:13:44.418 you're not going to be in a position to have 0:13:44.497 --> 0:13:46.658 some of these because some of the questions he gets asked, 0:13:46.658 --> 0:13:48.698 and this is true for just any coach that's losing. 0:13:49.218 --> 0:13:52.658 You're gonna get questions that are difficult to answer because 0:13:52.658 --> 0:13:54.498 at the end of the day, as a coach, you 0:13:54.497 --> 0:13:57.618 don't want to put down your own team, you don't 0:13:57.617 --> 0:13:59.978 want to put down yourself, et cetera, et cetera. But 0:14:00.058 --> 0:14:02.137 if you're losing, you're losing and somebody has to be 0:14:02.178 --> 0:14:03.857 at fault. You can't just go out there and awe 0:14:03.938 --> 0:14:06.738 shucks it. So and That's where some of these answers 0:14:06.778 --> 0:14:08.538 come from. That's where some of these bad answers come from. 0:14:08.617 --> 0:14:10.578 There are certain questions. This isn't just a Mayo thing. 0:14:10.617 --> 0:14:13.737 This is just how it works where certain questions there 0:14:13.818 --> 0:14:16.978 is no good answer. You want to create a situation 0:14:16.977 --> 0:14:20.698 where you don't have those kinds of questions. Win football games. 0:14:20.938 --> 0:14:23.818 Win games, that's how you fix it. Yeah, So looking 0:14:23.858 --> 0:14:25.618 at the football, I want to start. 0:14:26.378 --> 0:14:29.538 I want to start defense actually, and this is the 0:14:29.578 --> 0:14:31.618 side of the ball that troubles me the most because 0:14:31.618 --> 0:14:34.578 this is supposed to be Girod Mayo's side of the ball, right, 0:14:34.698 --> 0:14:38.738 Like when the Houston Texans hired Demico Ryans, there were 0:14:38.898 --> 0:14:40.938 questions about whether or not he was going to get 0:14:40.938 --> 0:14:43.458 the oc higher right, He's going to get the offense right, 0:14:43.458 --> 0:14:46.058 the quarterback right, and all those kinds of things. They've 0:14:46.058 --> 0:14:47.618 done a nice job on that side of the ball 0:14:47.658 --> 0:14:51.018 with Stroud and and Bobby's look, but going into it 0:14:51.058 --> 0:14:54.738 there are questions. There were never questions about the Texans 0:14:54.778 --> 0:14:59.417 defense because that was Demiko Ryans's specialty. Same thing with Patriots. 0:14:59.458 --> 0:15:02.018 The Patriots and Girod Mayo, and when I look at 0:15:02.218 --> 0:15:05.978 them statistically on defense, it is alarming how much they 0:15:05.978 --> 0:15:08.057 have just fallen off a cliff on that side of 0:15:08.098 --> 0:15:08.378 the ball. 0:15:08.458 --> 0:15:10.578 I mean, you could argue between the two units, what's 0:15:10.578 --> 0:15:12.218 been the better unit this year, offense or defense? 0:15:12.258 --> 0:15:15.058 I would say the offense certainly more promising. Like, you know, 0:15:15.098 --> 0:15:16.738 I don't know if it's statistically any better. 0:15:16.778 --> 0:15:17.417 I think it is. 0:15:17.618 --> 0:15:20.258 It might be slightly, but your little metric they're better, 0:15:20.538 --> 0:15:23.178 I don't think so. Oh maybe by EPs. 0:15:23.218 --> 0:15:26.098 I saw that this week. That's what other ada. I 0:15:26.098 --> 0:15:27.738 didn't know which one of you were going on. Oh yeah, 0:15:27.818 --> 0:15:28.578 the same thing to me. 0:15:29.658 --> 0:15:32.578 So they're defensively right now, the you know, the number 0:15:32.618 --> 0:15:34.537 everybody throws out there is their thirtieth and d v 0:15:34.698 --> 0:15:37.858 A defensively, they were ninth last year, right like that 0:15:37.698 --> 0:15:40.018 that's always it. But you know, I wrote down some 0:15:40.058 --> 0:15:42.258 of their other numbers for the show today. I mean 0:15:42.298 --> 0:15:46.418 they're thirty first in past DVOA. They're defensively, Yeah, they're 0:15:46.458 --> 0:15:49.018 twenty fourth on third down defensively, they're twenty third in 0:15:49.058 --> 0:15:52.578 the red zone defensively, like this is just the red zone. 0:15:52.658 --> 0:15:54.418 Yeah, but when you look. 0:15:54.298 --> 0:16:01.378 At defensive coaching, I always look at past defense, third down, 0:16:01.458 --> 0:16:03.898 red zone, like I think those are the three biggest things, 0:16:04.378 --> 0:16:07.218 uh that you need to be good on defense, and 0:16:07.738 --> 0:16:10.618 they're bottom of the league and all three. And the 0:16:10.618 --> 0:16:12.978 big thing that I look at with this defense right 0:16:13.018 --> 0:16:15.818 now is a combination. I think it's It's one. They 0:16:15.818 --> 0:16:18.218 don't play fundamentally sound defense anymore. 0:16:18.218 --> 0:16:18.578 They don't. 0:16:18.618 --> 0:16:21.178 They don't play blocks well, they don't take angles well, 0:16:21.698 --> 0:16:25.338 they don't tackle well, they don't you know, they're mechanics 0:16:25.418 --> 0:16:28.938 up front, Like there's questions about fits and things like that, 0:16:29.058 --> 0:16:31.138 like our guys in the right gap apps or guys 0:16:31.138 --> 0:16:33.218 in the right spots? Are they getting into the right 0:16:33.538 --> 0:16:37.417 alignment's pre snap is something that Jabriel Peppers spoke about 0:16:37.458 --> 0:16:39.458 after the game on Sunday that he didn't feel like 0:16:39.498 --> 0:16:42.417 they did that often enough, consistently enough. 0:16:42.578 --> 0:16:43.177 I mean, they're on. 0:16:43.138 --> 0:16:45.498 The goal line and there's just nobody in gaps right, 0:16:45.818 --> 0:16:48.618 James Connors just walking in for touchdowns. I get it's 0:16:48.618 --> 0:16:50.938 the goal line, Like you're probably not gonna stop him anyways, 0:16:50.978 --> 0:16:52.658 but it would least be nice to make him go 0:16:52.738 --> 0:16:55.018 through somebody right to get into the end zone. 0:16:55.418 --> 0:16:56.498 So you see a. 0:16:56.458 --> 0:17:00.378 Lot of stuff that I would label controllable, Like I 0:17:00.378 --> 0:17:04.658 think all these things assignments being in the right gaps, 0:17:04.698 --> 0:17:07.698 you know, being a fundamentally sound like you can can 0:17:07.858 --> 0:17:10.618 even if you don't have great roster talent, like you 0:17:10.658 --> 0:17:14.538 can control your own house right, Like you can control 0:17:14.578 --> 0:17:17.578 those things. And a lot of the time, especially on 0:17:17.618 --> 0:17:19.697 the defensive side of the ball, I feel like you 0:17:19.738 --> 0:17:25.058 can overachieve on defense by just being structurally sound, like 0:17:25.258 --> 0:17:28.858 just having eleven guys playing the right defense, playing the 0:17:28.978 --> 0:17:32.618 right gaps tackle well, like you can get away with 0:17:32.698 --> 0:17:35.218 the fact that you don't have, you know, the eighty 0:17:35.258 --> 0:17:37.738 five bears of talent on the defensive side of the 0:17:37.778 --> 0:17:40.738 ball if you're doing those types of things. And the 0:17:40.778 --> 0:17:44.418 Patriots defense right now just isn't doing those types of things. 0:17:44.698 --> 0:17:47.778 And I think Girod Meyos spread really thin as a 0:17:47.778 --> 0:17:51.058 first time head coach and that his imprint hasn't necessarily 0:17:51.058 --> 0:17:53.738 been on this defense as much as he expected. I 0:17:53.738 --> 0:17:56.858 think DeMarcus Covington, it was a pretty big promotion for 0:17:56.938 --> 0:17:59.698 DeMarcus Covington, and I think we were all excited about 0:17:59.978 --> 0:18:03.298 his prospects as a coach moving forward. But I think 0:18:03.298 --> 0:18:06.978 you're seeing just what happens when you put two guys 0:18:06.978 --> 0:18:10.298 in a position that are both green, right, like that 0:18:10.418 --> 0:18:13.657 bald weren't totally ready for the job yet, And I 0:18:13.738 --> 0:18:15.938 don't know where they go on that side of the football, 0:18:16.458 --> 0:18:20.858 because what they did against Arizona on Sunday was way 0:18:20.858 --> 0:18:23.978 too simplistic, Like the Cardinals just undressed them with little 0:18:24.018 --> 0:18:25.178 motions and things like that. 0:18:25.258 --> 0:18:26.018 The entire time. 0:18:26.058 --> 0:18:28.738 It wasn't like the ram style of motion where they 0:18:28.738 --> 0:18:31.578 were motioning at the snap to create space in the defense. 0:18:31.818 --> 0:18:34.578 They were using coverage indicators, like they're just motioning a 0:18:34.618 --> 0:18:37.058 guy across. If somebody went with him, it was man 0:18:37.098 --> 0:18:39.538 to man. If they didn't, it was zone, and Kyler 0:18:39.658 --> 0:18:42.177 just had answers right no matter which the coverage was, 0:18:42.338 --> 0:18:44.418 and he was just seeing it pre snap all right 0:18:44.458 --> 0:18:47.018 there in man to man. I have Trey McBride on 0:18:47.098 --> 0:18:49.498 del Pettis, that's a matchup that we're gonna win, and 0:18:49.498 --> 0:18:51.738 I'm gonna hit him for twenty nine yards on third down. 0:18:52.058 --> 0:18:54.778 Like those types of things just consistently happened in this 0:18:54.898 --> 0:18:58.258 game where they were just they were just beat And 0:18:58.298 --> 0:19:02.018 I just I don't know if it's simple as get 0:19:02.058 --> 0:19:04.498 everybody back next year that was supposed to be here, 0:19:04.538 --> 0:19:07.138 you know, get one hundred percent of Christian Barmore, get 0:19:07.138 --> 0:19:10.898 one hundred percent of Jabriel Pepper's, Kyle Duggar Jwan Bentley, 0:19:11.138 --> 0:19:12.098 Like I can get that. 0:19:12.018 --> 0:19:13.778 Pass rusher to replace Matthew Judah. 0:19:13.898 --> 0:19:15.458 Yeah, Like I can hear that argument, Like if you 0:19:15.498 --> 0:19:18.178 want to use the I want to call it injury excuse, 0:19:18.218 --> 0:19:22.378 but injury excuse for the defense or availability excuse. Like 0:19:22.458 --> 0:19:25.618 I can hear that argument and say that Water will 0:19:25.658 --> 0:19:28.698 find its level next season. But what concerns me the most, 0:19:28.978 --> 0:19:30.378 and this is really on both sides of the ball, 0:19:30.618 --> 0:19:32.818 but since we're starting with the defense, there's just a 0:19:32.898 --> 0:19:36.818 lack of creativity when it comes to scheme to try 0:19:36.858 --> 0:19:40.418 to do anything that gets the offense on its heels. 0:19:40.538 --> 0:19:44.498 Yeah, and what's troubling about that is just to play 0:19:44.498 --> 0:19:47.538 it off the offense. The Patriots offense. We talked about 0:19:47.538 --> 0:19:51.258 the Patriots offense also being maybe a little more simplified, 0:19:51.258 --> 0:19:52.818 and we'll talk about this later in the show. Alex 0:19:52.898 --> 0:19:55.178 Van Pelt actually had an interesting comment on this today, 0:19:55.218 --> 0:19:59.258 but it almost sort of makes sense for the offense 0:19:59.258 --> 0:20:01.858 to be simplified. Maybe not to this extent, but you 0:20:01.898 --> 0:20:03.937 have a rookie quarterback, you have a line that is 0:20:04.618 --> 0:20:08.258 not remotely consistent, like you kind of they can't go 0:20:08.338 --> 0:20:09.138 right to a five. 0:20:09.418 --> 0:20:09.658 Yeah. 0:20:09.738 --> 0:20:13.058 Right, on defense, you have veterans, you have guys that 0:20:13.098 --> 0:20:17.058 have been here, You have players at key positions that, 0:20:17.138 --> 0:20:20.098 in theory allow you to complicate things more. Talking about 0:20:20.098 --> 0:20:24.018 a guy like Christian Gonzalez, right, yeah, so I can 0:20:24.098 --> 0:20:27.458 understand why the offense might be things. I can understand 0:20:27.458 --> 0:20:29.978 why the offense might be a little more simplified, right right. 0:20:30.658 --> 0:20:34.498 The defense, they brought everybody back they should have been starting. 0:20:34.658 --> 0:20:36.458 And we've done this the last few years with the defense. 0:20:36.458 --> 0:20:39.378 I've talked this up where you bring everybody back, you 0:20:39.418 --> 0:20:41.618 don't really have to do a day one install in 0:20:41.658 --> 0:20:44.978 the spring because everybody's on page. Everybody's on that page 0:20:44.978 --> 0:20:48.138 from last year. There should be more levels to this defense. 0:20:48.178 --> 0:20:50.058 I get they've lost guys due to injuries, but even 0:20:50.098 --> 0:20:51.898 a lot of the backups are guys that were here 0:20:51.978 --> 0:20:55.858 last year. Yeah, so yeah, it's a good point by you. 0:20:55.938 --> 0:20:59.498 I just think how simple the defense is right now, 0:21:00.138 --> 0:21:02.018 and then you get to the execution on top of that. 0:21:02.578 --> 0:21:05.138 The simplification is supposed to help the execution. It's not, 0:21:05.178 --> 0:21:06.738 but how simple it is right now is kind of 0:21:06.778 --> 0:21:07.258 eye opening. 0:21:07.378 --> 0:21:09.738 Every single team when they come into a game against 0:21:09.778 --> 0:21:13.538 the Patriots. They are not schematically challenged, Like they don't 0:21:13.538 --> 0:21:16.298 get put in binds by the Patriots right now, and 0:21:16.418 --> 0:21:19.018 either side of the ball where oh, like they're doing 0:21:19.058 --> 0:21:23.218 something that's really innovative or really creative that we have it, 0:21:23.338 --> 0:21:25.858 we're gonna have to have a plan against, like we're 0:21:25.858 --> 0:21:28.538 gonna have to have a plan against the Blitz package, 0:21:28.618 --> 0:21:31.858 or a plan against some sort of wrinkle on the 0:21:31.858 --> 0:21:34.418 defensive side of the football, like you might see what 0:21:34.898 --> 0:21:37.618 Mike McDonald or Brian Floores, or like one of these 0:21:37.658 --> 0:21:39.898 coaches that do dial things up. 0:21:40.938 --> 0:21:42.218 I mentioned Demiko. 0:21:41.978 --> 0:21:45.298 Ryans earlier in the show, Like those guys are constantly 0:21:45.818 --> 0:21:49.578 challenging the opposing offense schematically, and I don't see that 0:21:49.618 --> 0:21:52.138 with this defense right now. I see them being very 0:21:52.178 --> 0:21:56.458 vanilla and very easy to decipher. And that puts you 0:21:56.498 --> 0:21:59.138 in a position where your players just kind of have 0:21:59.258 --> 0:22:02.298 to make plays. And Christian Gonzalez is sort of the 0:22:02.298 --> 0:22:05.458 only guy in that secondary that truly is capable of 0:22:05.538 --> 0:22:08.498 down in and down out making plays on the ball, 0:22:08.778 --> 0:22:10.658 and so it really puts you in a tough position. 0:22:10.698 --> 0:22:12.858 And the other thing that I wanted to bring up 0:22:12.898 --> 0:22:15.698 defensively that we can move over to the offense is 0:22:16.738 --> 0:22:18.858 they've always been a two gapping system. Like I think 0:22:18.898 --> 0:22:21.417 they're always going to be a two gaping system. I 0:22:21.498 --> 0:22:24.098 understand why. I understand that it has its advantages and 0:22:24.138 --> 0:22:26.698 things like that. But in order to be a great 0:22:26.818 --> 0:22:31.298 two gaping team, the Mike linebacker needs to be a sledgehammer, 0:22:31.418 --> 0:22:34.498 Like he just needs to be a Jwan Bentley, a 0:22:34.578 --> 0:22:38.818 Dante high Tower and Roberts I brought him up the 0:22:38.858 --> 0:22:41.818 other day even like going back aways to Ted Johnson, right, 0:22:41.818 --> 0:22:44.338 like you always had somebody in the middle of the 0:22:44.338 --> 0:22:47.018 defense that could take a guard on and put that 0:22:47.058 --> 0:22:50.578 guy on his heels, right and now, is nothing against 0:22:50.778 --> 0:22:56.417 their their linebackers, Johnny Devii, Christian Ellison, Taki, those guys 0:22:56.458 --> 0:22:57.618 just aren't that. 0:22:57.818 --> 0:22:59.937 They're not that kind of player. That's not who they are, 0:22:59.978 --> 0:23:04.338 the coverish linebackers, right, so well Tavia's played that role 0:23:04.338 --> 0:23:07.658 at times this year, but overall sorry yeah yeah. 0:23:07.698 --> 0:23:12.218 So the biggest thing though, is that when they have 0:23:12.258 --> 0:23:14.938 a guy like that, the biggest reason why that is 0:23:14.938 --> 0:23:18.458 is so key to the defense is that it compresses space. Right, Like, 0:23:18.658 --> 0:23:21.818 all you're doing is you're bottling up the runner. Like 0:23:21.858 --> 0:23:23.578 there's a lot of times if you go, And we 0:23:23.618 --> 0:23:26.738 watched Jawan Bentley that he doesn't actually make the tackle, 0:23:27.138 --> 0:23:30.618 but he's compressing the space and he's blowing up the 0:23:30.618 --> 0:23:33.697 blocking scheme so that somebody else can come in and 0:23:33.698 --> 0:23:36.338 make the tackle, right, or multiple people can come in 0:23:36.378 --> 0:23:38.818 and make the tackle. So what's happening a lot of 0:23:38.818 --> 0:23:41.778 the time. And I thought the uh the fifty three 0:23:41.858 --> 0:23:44.177 yarder by James Connor was a great example of this. 0:23:44.698 --> 0:23:47.738 You know, they have the polar coming across. Marcus Jones 0:23:47.818 --> 0:23:49.458 is like the nickel on that side of the field. 0:23:49.498 --> 0:23:51.778 He does his best, but like he's five eight one 0:23:51.898 --> 0:23:55.538 eighties play to make right, so he he tries his 0:23:55.618 --> 0:23:58.778 best to hold up the polar. But Jabriel Peppers is 0:23:58.818 --> 0:24:01.618 put in a spot where there's just a lot of 0:24:01.778 --> 0:24:04.098 room for James Connor to make a cut right, Like 0:24:04.098 --> 0:24:07.978 there's just not anybody compressing the space so that he 0:24:08.058 --> 0:24:10.778 can just take him on straight on. Like James Connor 0:24:10.858 --> 0:24:12.818 essentially has a two way go like he could go, 0:24:12.978 --> 0:24:15.298 he could have gotten around him both ways. And so 0:24:15.418 --> 0:24:17.818 now if you're Jabriel Peppers, you're just kind of sitting 0:24:17.858 --> 0:24:20.418 there like waiting for him to declare, and it's just 0:24:20.538 --> 0:24:23.538 really difficult to then make that stop and make that play. 0:24:23.818 --> 0:24:25.578 So I look at a lot of the things that 0:24:25.618 --> 0:24:29.378 are happening from a run defense standpoint as like, okay, 0:24:29.418 --> 0:24:32.218 well you're your front mechanics might need to change, Like 0:24:32.258 --> 0:24:35.298 you can't be a two gapping defense if you don't 0:24:35.298 --> 0:24:37.138 have the horses to go out there and be an 0:24:37.138 --> 0:24:40.417 effective two gaping defense. Now, on that particular play, they 0:24:40.418 --> 0:24:42.378 did try to run like a little bit of a stunt, 0:24:42.578 --> 0:24:45.538 like to get a little bit more penetration. But like, 0:24:45.778 --> 0:24:49.338 in general, I just think it's really difficult to play 0:24:49.458 --> 0:24:54.058 a two gapping defense without a really really good, hard 0:24:54.098 --> 0:24:58.778 hitting mike linebacker, like even like guys like freaking terrez Hall, 0:24:59.058 --> 0:25:01.018 like who was like on the team in twenty twenty, 0:25:01.258 --> 0:25:03.498 Like he wasn't a great player, but he could he 0:25:03.538 --> 0:25:04.698 could take on a guard. 0:25:04.818 --> 0:25:06.458 That was the one thing I like teres Hall because 0:25:06.498 --> 0:25:08.978 it was the one thing he did. He lowered the hammer, 0:25:09.018 --> 0:25:10.338 by the way, he was here last year. 0:25:10.618 --> 0:25:13.098 Yeah, I remember that. I liked terres Hall too, And 0:25:13.298 --> 0:25:15.498 and that was the main reason is like you saw 0:25:15.578 --> 0:25:18.178 the role that he could play in the defense. Was 0:25:18.218 --> 0:25:21.898 he like prime ray Lewis? No, but you saw a role. Okay, 0:25:21.938 --> 0:25:24.138 this is what he does for this defense. So I 0:25:24.578 --> 0:25:26.938 just wonder when it comes to like tweaks and things 0:25:26.938 --> 0:25:29.178 like that on the defense side of the ball, if 0:25:29.218 --> 0:25:32.418 there was ever or is ever a consideration that two 0:25:32.458 --> 0:25:35.578 gapping would these this personnel, Like even looking at defensive 0:25:35.658 --> 0:25:38.858 end now they have Barmore back now, but like, is 0:25:38.938 --> 0:25:42.818 Daniel a Qualley like a true two gapping defensive end. No, 0:25:42.898 --> 0:25:45.138 he'd like he would be much better suited if you 0:25:45.218 --> 0:25:46.978 let him get into a gap and get up the 0:25:46.978 --> 0:25:49.618 field a little bit. So I know I'm picking on 0:25:49.858 --> 0:25:51.898 you know, a lot of schematic stuff with the defense, 0:25:51.938 --> 0:25:55.178 but I just I understand that people have this overarching 0:25:55.218 --> 0:25:56.417 thing a lot of you know, we get a lot 0:25:56.458 --> 0:25:59.978 of calls and emails being like, look at the talent 0:26:00.058 --> 0:26:01.058 on the roster right. 0:26:01.218 --> 0:26:03.978 Well, I guess I was talking to somebody about this earlier, 0:26:04.058 --> 0:26:07.138 Like for all the criticism of the coaching, and I'm 0:26:07.218 --> 0:26:12.698 not saying that it's not warranted. Yeah, Like, don't we 0:26:13.138 --> 0:26:15.698 talked a lot at the beginning of the year about 0:26:16.098 --> 0:26:18.218 the roster and the shape it's in. Yeah, And I 0:26:18.338 --> 0:26:21.458 understand that you know, that's been talked about and that's 0:26:21.498 --> 0:26:25.978 more of an offseason topic and all that and change. Yeah, 0:26:26.018 --> 0:26:28.098 over the last few weeks. So I just like the 0:26:28.138 --> 0:26:32.378 coaching stuff shouldn't overshadow the talent on the roster. I said, 0:26:32.418 --> 0:26:34.378 it's not fair to talk about defensively. 0:26:35.418 --> 0:26:38.258 I truly believe that they are not the thirtieth worst 0:26:38.418 --> 0:26:39.778 defense in the league on paper. 0:26:40.498 --> 0:26:43.058 That's fair. I truly believe that. Now. Do I think 0:26:43.058 --> 0:26:44.898 that they're an elite defense on paper? 0:26:45.738 --> 0:26:46.298 No? 0:26:46.298 --> 0:26:48.978 No, And were they ever going to be? Probably not. 0:26:49.618 --> 0:26:52.218 Maybe if they had everybody healthy and running at one 0:26:52.258 --> 0:26:55.138 hundred percent, they could have been, you know, an average 0:26:55.138 --> 0:26:57.938 to above average defense like they were last year, right Like, 0:26:58.018 --> 0:27:00.618 I think that that's realistic in terms of their talent 0:27:00.698 --> 0:27:03.978 on the roster. Now, they're probably middling at best in 0:27:04.058 --> 0:27:06.338 terms of talent, but they're not thirtieth and they have 0:27:06.418 --> 0:27:08.978 a number one corner. They have a young player in 0:27:09.098 --> 0:27:11.578 Keon White that can get after quarterbacks on third down. 0:27:12.098 --> 0:27:15.178 They have guys that I always like that are those 0:27:15.258 --> 0:27:20.258 hard hat lunch paale guys, godshow whys to buy, you know, 0:27:20.458 --> 0:27:23.098 dugger peppers like these guys have been around and played 0:27:23.138 --> 0:27:25.138 a lot of football in the NFL, and they've done 0:27:25.178 --> 0:27:26.938 it a lot better than what we've seen them do 0:27:27.018 --> 0:27:29.778 it this year. So that's the troubling thing for me. 0:27:29.818 --> 0:27:31.778 On defense, I just don't know where you go with 0:27:31.818 --> 0:27:36.058 that if it's not going to be Jirod fixing it, right, Like, 0:27:36.098 --> 0:27:37.858 if it's not going to be Girod fixing it, like 0:27:37.858 --> 0:27:40.538 I've heard a lot of well, why don't they just 0:27:40.578 --> 0:27:42.218 get the Ben mcado a defense? 0:27:42.538 --> 0:27:44.538 Well, isn't that supposed to be? Yeah, we talked about 0:27:44.578 --> 0:27:46.258 this last week, right, you. 0:27:46.218 --> 0:27:48.778 Know, so you're in a tough spot in there on defense. 0:27:48.818 --> 0:27:50.778 Moving over to the offense, there's a lot of things 0:27:50.818 --> 0:27:53.258 that were said today at Alex Van Pelt's press conference. 0:27:53.458 --> 0:27:55.098 I think a lot of them are relatable to what 0:27:55.178 --> 0:27:57.858 I was going to say anyways. But on the offensive 0:27:57.858 --> 0:28:00.218 side of the ball, I really just felt like it's 0:28:00.298 --> 0:28:03.618 kind of a double whammy here in terms of this 0:28:03.698 --> 0:28:06.978 game against Arizona. One, I don't think they were very 0:28:06.978 --> 0:28:09.378 well prepared for this game against the Cardinals. It was 0:28:09.378 --> 0:28:11.778 a it was a different opponent. They don't play a 0:28:11.818 --> 0:28:14.938 ton you know. It's one of those weird, like you know, 0:28:14.978 --> 0:28:18.618 other conference, like every four years type of games, right, Yeah, 0:28:18.658 --> 0:28:20.978 And I think that they got caught off guard by 0:28:21.018 --> 0:28:22.418 a few things that Arizona did. 0:28:22.658 --> 0:28:25.458 The number one thing. Arizona is one of these teams. 0:28:25.538 --> 0:28:27.218 You know, we talked about the Colts being sort of 0:28:27.258 --> 0:28:29.618 a do what you do defense, and we talked about 0:28:30.738 --> 0:28:33.138 the Bills really being that, Like the Bills are really 0:28:33.378 --> 0:28:37.978 a pretty straightforward defense too. The Cardinals, especially up front, 0:28:38.378 --> 0:28:41.778 they change a lot with their fronts, right like they 0:28:41.778 --> 0:28:44.778 have they run a lot of different varieties of different fronts, 0:28:45.218 --> 0:28:48.258 and they are constantly like shifting the line like right 0:28:48.298 --> 0:28:50.298 before the snap, and they like they do a lot 0:28:50.338 --> 0:28:54.338 of things. And you know, some of it with guys 0:28:54.338 --> 0:28:56.898 like Vederian Low, like he just didn't block the guy right, Like, 0:28:56.938 --> 0:28:59.018 I get that, but a lot of it, you know, 0:28:59.018 --> 0:29:00.538 there was a lot of times in this game, at 0:29:00.578 --> 0:29:02.978 least three or four times where Vederian Low was just 0:29:02.978 --> 0:29:05.698 like blocking air, like he was just blocking an open gap. 0:29:05.738 --> 0:29:08.178 And I'm thinking to myself, like, how is this happening? 0:29:08.258 --> 0:29:08.418 Right? 0:29:08.458 --> 0:29:11.498 Like, how are these things happening? And they're talking to 0:29:11.538 --> 0:29:14.698 some of the linemen. It sounded like they were a 0:29:14.738 --> 0:29:17.378 little bit off with like their points and stuff like 0:29:17.418 --> 0:29:20.098 that of Okay, you know we're gonna have you're gonna 0:29:20.138 --> 0:29:22.458 have this gap. Well, what happens when they shift and 0:29:22.498 --> 0:29:24.938 there's nobody in that gap right, you know. Now, now 0:29:24.938 --> 0:29:26.218 who am I blocking? You know? 0:29:26.658 --> 0:29:27.858 And now a lot of that happened. 0:29:27.858 --> 0:29:31.178 And the other name that came up was budh They 0:29:31.218 --> 0:29:36.058 had a tough time declaring what Buddha Baker was when 0:29:36.058 --> 0:29:38.138 he was in the box. Is he a safety? Is 0:29:38.138 --> 0:29:40.498 he a linebacker? Is he on the tight end? Is 0:29:40.498 --> 0:29:41.098 he blitzing? 0:29:41.258 --> 0:29:41.458 Right? 0:29:41.498 --> 0:29:41.618 Like? 0:29:41.618 --> 0:29:44.458 What is right? What is he? And these are the types. 0:29:44.218 --> 0:29:46.778 Of things that you go into a game and you know, 0:29:47.018 --> 0:29:49.258 the center comes to the line of scrimmage and the 0:29:49.298 --> 0:29:52.418 center calls out the front four down, three down, right, 0:29:52.498 --> 0:29:55.378 like they call out the front even odd and then 0:29:55.458 --> 0:29:59.258 they have rules of like this is how we're treating 0:29:59.738 --> 0:30:03.058 these players, right, So these are the linemen have you know, 0:30:03.178 --> 0:30:05.418 five guys that they can block? So these are the 0:30:05.498 --> 0:30:09.298 five guys the linemen are responsible for. If this guy comes, 0:30:09.298 --> 0:30:11.498 if that guy comes, it's on the quarterback, it's on 0:30:11.618 --> 0:30:14.218 you know, the back and bit blitz pick up, like 0:30:14.258 --> 0:30:16.658 you have different rules. I thought in this game, what 0:30:16.698 --> 0:30:20.898 they really struggled with was that sort of coordination of 0:30:21.178 --> 0:30:24.058 what are we calling this? What are we declaring Buddha Baker? 0:30:24.298 --> 0:30:26.098 You know, how are we setting the mic? If this 0:30:26.218 --> 0:30:29.018 is the way that they're tilted, like those types of things. 0:30:29.338 --> 0:30:31.018 And again I go back to what I said to 0:30:31.058 --> 0:30:34.738 before about controllables, like that's a controllable right, Like that 0:30:34.938 --> 0:30:39.458 is not oh Vederian low Whift trying to block Brandon Browning. 0:30:39.778 --> 0:30:43.218 That is a controllable aspect of the game. That even 0:30:43.258 --> 0:30:46.498 if you have a plan going into the game and 0:30:46.538 --> 0:30:49.418 it's a bad plan, if you're all on the same page, 0:30:49.778 --> 0:30:50.778 then it might still work. 0:30:51.138 --> 0:30:51.338 Right. 0:30:51.698 --> 0:30:54.538 That's that's really how a lot of these things go down, 0:30:54.818 --> 0:30:57.018 Like it could in hindsight, you could look back on 0:30:57.058 --> 0:30:58.538 that and be like, I don't know how it worked, 0:30:58.538 --> 0:31:00.338 like that was kind of an awful plan, but we 0:31:00.378 --> 0:31:02.698 got away with it because everybody was on the same 0:31:02.738 --> 0:31:05.458 page and everybody was doing the same thing. In this game, 0:31:05.498 --> 0:31:09.458 there was way too much of confusion upfront from the 0:31:09.498 --> 0:31:12.778 offensive line. They don't have the talent to get away 0:31:12.818 --> 0:31:15.418 with that, Like they're not talented enough in that group 0:31:15.898 --> 0:31:19.578 to have mental mistakes and lapses and bad snaps and 0:31:19.618 --> 0:31:22.418 things like that. So that was a big, big problem 0:31:22.418 --> 0:31:24.178 in this game. And the other thing that I would 0:31:24.218 --> 0:31:27.458 I would point to, I do not believe they expected 0:31:27.538 --> 0:31:30.298 Arizona to play as much man coverage early on in 0:31:30.298 --> 0:31:32.778 the game, as they did. The Cardinals play a lot 0:31:32.818 --> 0:31:34.818 of zone. They're one of the more zone heavy teams. 0:31:35.178 --> 0:31:37.338 They bucked that trend this week by playing a lot 0:31:37.378 --> 0:31:39.458 of man to man early in the game. They were 0:31:39.498 --> 0:31:42.938 fifty percent man on in the first quarter in this 0:31:43.058 --> 0:31:46.058 game was Arizona. They played a lot more zone as 0:31:46.058 --> 0:31:47.978 the game wore on because the score, you know, they 0:31:48.098 --> 0:31:50.738 they were just kind of keeping things in front of them. 0:31:50.978 --> 0:31:52.898 But they came out and they played man to man, 0:31:53.258 --> 0:31:56.058 and the Patriots got fooled by a lot of their 0:31:56.098 --> 0:31:58.378 man to man coverages into running things that weren't going 0:31:58.458 --> 0:32:01.378 to work into that defense. The Brady thing right like, are. 0:32:01.298 --> 0:32:05.218 You snapping the ball in effective play against that defense? 0:32:05.578 --> 0:32:06.658 Answer to the test, you're right. 0:32:06.738 --> 0:32:09.178 So they you know, big one to me, you know, 0:32:09.218 --> 0:32:11.578 just breaking down the whole opening drive. I've heard a 0:32:11.618 --> 0:32:13.978 lot that they moved the ball on the opening drive. 0:32:14.338 --> 0:32:17.658 If you actually go and watch the opening drive, it 0:32:17.698 --> 0:32:19.858 was a mess, and they moved the ball because they 0:32:19.898 --> 0:32:22.738 had some things go their way within that mess. Very 0:32:22.738 --> 0:32:24.618 first play of the game is at eleven yard completion 0:32:24.738 --> 0:32:27.418 the Hunter Henry. Their spacings off on the on the 0:32:27.458 --> 0:32:31.338 route combination Jalen Polk doesn't clear out. Actually had Austin 0:32:31.378 --> 0:32:34.618 Hooper for a bigger play if the spacing had been correct. 0:32:34.738 --> 0:32:37.178 They have bad spacing on that play. The next play 0:32:37.218 --> 0:32:39.658 they gained sixteen yards on a little swing screen to 0:32:39.778 --> 0:32:44.098 ramondre Stevenson. Ben Brown rolls the snap to Drake May 0:32:44.338 --> 0:32:47.578 and he just gets the playoff on the screen to Remandre. 0:32:47.898 --> 0:32:50.098 Then you have a holding call on third and five. 0:32:50.578 --> 0:32:52.538 And then the third and ten that they got off 0:32:52.818 --> 0:32:54.938 Drake checked into a screen when he shouldn't have checked 0:32:54.978 --> 0:32:57.818 into a screen, right, So like even then it was 0:32:57.858 --> 0:32:59.898 like watching it back, I was like, well I should 0:32:59.898 --> 0:33:02.458 have seen this coming, Like, yes, they got some yards 0:33:02.698 --> 0:33:05.138 out of the first drive, but they really were not 0:33:05.178 --> 0:33:06.298 buttoned up from the get go. 0:33:06.938 --> 0:33:10.018 No, they weren't. It was it was all over the place. 0:33:10.058 --> 0:33:11.818 To go back to something you said about Buddha Baker 0:33:11.858 --> 0:33:16.018 that stood out to me because they talked about during 0:33:16.058 --> 0:33:18.178 the week, Like, Buddha Baker is a guy we need 0:33:18.218 --> 0:33:20.418 to be aware of. They use him differently. They use 0:33:20.498 --> 0:33:21.978 him as a linebacker, they use him as a safety, 0:33:21.978 --> 0:33:23.618 they use him as a corner. We need to know 0:33:23.658 --> 0:33:25.698 where he is, identify him right. Things like that and 0:33:26.018 --> 0:33:30.338 that that wasn't there on the offensive line two it 0:33:30.938 --> 0:33:34.138 looked discombobulated. Ye, to your point, I just think there 0:33:34.138 --> 0:33:39.258 were too many guys, and I there were the talent 0:33:39.418 --> 0:33:41.738 gap was there, right, Darian Logan's blown by a couple 0:33:41.778 --> 0:33:44.698 of times on those two short yarded situations. Lade Robinson 0:33:44.818 --> 0:33:46.498 get stood up. But I think what you see is 0:33:46.538 --> 0:33:48.938 guys try to overcompensate for that, and that's where some 0:33:48.978 --> 0:33:51.498 of the I don't know that I'd call it freelancing, 0:33:51.538 --> 0:33:55.218 but like me different page, Yeah, it comes from. 0:33:55.418 --> 0:33:58.138 Yeah, you know, you look at I always I hate 0:33:58.178 --> 0:34:00.858 to bring up like all like the Yester Years all 0:34:00.938 --> 0:34:04.058 the time, but like with Scarnekia, how many linemen did 0:34:04.058 --> 0:34:08.018 Scarnekia take? You know that we were like who and 0:34:08.058 --> 0:34:11.138 then all? But it worked because at least they were 0:34:11.138 --> 0:34:14.857 in the right spot. Five guys right, and so even 0:34:14.858 --> 0:34:17.977 if they didn't have great talent at a spot or two, 0:34:18.338 --> 0:34:20.098 they were able to get by because they were so 0:34:20.178 --> 0:34:23.937 well prepared going into the games. And that is very 0:34:24.418 --> 0:34:27.297 noticeable in this film. I'm not saying it's every single week, 0:34:27.578 --> 0:34:30.178 but in this film it was very noticeable that they 0:34:30.178 --> 0:34:32.457 don't play the Cardinals a lot. And I don't think 0:34:32.458 --> 0:34:34.897 that they were fully prepared. I also think if you 0:34:34.938 --> 0:34:38.018 watch the Cardinals against certain teams, you know, they play 0:34:38.418 --> 0:34:40.698 bad teams differently than they play good teams, So the 0:34:40.778 --> 0:34:43.658 numbers are kind of skewed because you know, against good teams, 0:34:43.658 --> 0:34:45.578 they might be a little bit less aggressive than they 0:34:45.578 --> 0:34:48.138 are against bad teams. The other thing I wanted to 0:34:48.138 --> 0:34:50.218 bring up offensively and kind of segue a little bit 0:34:50.258 --> 0:34:53.938 into what Alex van Pelt said today at his press conference, 0:34:53.938 --> 0:34:55.498 which I thought was like one of the most interesting 0:34:55.578 --> 0:34:56.857 press conferences of the year. 0:34:57.098 --> 0:34:59.377 There's a lot to unpack them. We learned like it 0:34:59.458 --> 0:35:01.777 was in terms of being educational, it was good. It 0:35:01.898 --> 0:35:07.218 was I think I received it more positively than you did. Maybe. 0:35:07.538 --> 0:35:10.138 I like Alex van Pelt at press conferences. I think 0:35:10.138 --> 0:35:14.698 he does a nice job. I think he's he's professional 0:35:14.818 --> 0:35:17.378 like and you can clearly tell that that you know, 0:35:17.418 --> 0:35:20.418 he's been experienced at this. The one thing though, that 0:35:20.458 --> 0:35:24.297 I can't let go, and it's bigger to me than 0:35:24.378 --> 0:35:26.418 just the third and fourth and one, like that's sort 0:35:26.418 --> 0:35:28.818 of the microcosm of it, but it's bigger to me 0:35:28.898 --> 0:35:33.258 than that, And really, you know, I always kind of 0:35:33.258 --> 0:35:36.898 felt this way, but It really hit me hard watching 0:35:36.938 --> 0:35:39.738 the Bills offense this week a little bit and studying 0:35:39.738 --> 0:35:45.578 the Bills on film the way that Joe Brady leverages 0:35:45.738 --> 0:35:49.978 all of Josh Allen's talent, like his mobility, his arm talent, 0:35:50.178 --> 0:35:55.938 but especially his mobility into their scheme to threaten defenses 0:35:55.978 --> 0:36:00.458 and to manipulate defenses and create space in the defense 0:36:00.498 --> 0:36:02.898 and all this kind of stuff and numbers advantages for 0:36:02.978 --> 0:36:06.618 the offense, like those types of things that all it 0:36:06.778 --> 0:36:09.978 is is just like Josh Allen needs to be accounted for, 0:36:10.298 --> 0:36:13.778 right Like it's not even something that's like so revolutionary, 0:36:13.938 --> 0:36:16.218 Like they're doing a lot of the same stuff that 0:36:16.738 --> 0:36:19.538 they did, you know, Brady did at LSU in twenty nineteen. 0:36:19.618 --> 0:36:24.458 Right Like, this isn't like super revolutionary, but every single 0:36:24.578 --> 0:36:27.898 play that they call for, Josh Allen has some sort 0:36:27.938 --> 0:36:32.058 of way of leveraging his ability against the defense, right 0:36:32.098 --> 0:36:34.098 Like it's some sort of threat. You know, they run 0:36:34.218 --> 0:36:37.698 that tackle trap play all the time where they pull 0:36:37.778 --> 0:36:41.378 the backside tackle and then they have an option. Right 0:36:41.418 --> 0:36:43.857 he's reading the front side is the end crash? Does 0:36:43.898 --> 0:36:46.778 the end stay? Sometimes they'll put a bubble screen attached 0:36:46.818 --> 0:36:48.458 to it too, so we can throw it out there, 0:36:48.698 --> 0:36:50.938 and then they obviously have the run to James Cook 0:36:51.218 --> 0:36:55.738 on the inside. All those things they're doing is accounting 0:36:55.738 --> 0:36:58.618 for numbers, and so what you see with Buffalo's offense 0:36:58.898 --> 0:37:01.618 is their hat on the hat in the running game constantly, right, 0:37:01.658 --> 0:37:04.337 Like they just have the numbers to the run side 0:37:04.378 --> 0:37:06.418 of the play. For James Cook. When you watch the 0:37:06.458 --> 0:37:09.178 forty one yard touchdown that he had against the Detroit Lions, 0:37:09.578 --> 0:37:12.458 he walks into the end zone because they literally just 0:37:12.578 --> 0:37:15.498 have a dude for every dude that's on the Detroit 0:37:15.538 --> 0:37:18.058 Lions that's to that side of the field. Besides, the 0:37:18.058 --> 0:37:19.738 deep safety in the middle of the field is the 0:37:19.738 --> 0:37:22.178 one guy that James Cook has to make miss. But 0:37:22.218 --> 0:37:24.578 once he's moving full speed at you know, ten, twelve, 0:37:24.658 --> 0:37:27.498 fifteen yards down the field, it becomes pretty easy for 0:37:27.538 --> 0:37:29.658 a talented back like him to make the free safety 0:37:29.658 --> 0:37:32.458 miss in the middle of the So you have these 0:37:32.538 --> 0:37:36.298 advantages that Allen's mobility has in the offense, you know, 0:37:36.378 --> 0:37:38.938 moving the pocket right, like even from under center, like 0:37:39.018 --> 0:37:41.777 having boots and having nakeds and things like that, like 0:37:41.858 --> 0:37:44.058 all of these things that they've built into this scheme. 0:37:44.458 --> 0:37:47.458 And then you watch the Patriots and they just don't 0:37:47.458 --> 0:37:49.978 do any of those kinds of things with Drake May. 0:37:50.378 --> 0:37:54.898 And they don't use Drake May's full you know, assembly 0:37:55.058 --> 0:37:58.018 of powers right Like it's it's like they, you know, 0:37:58.138 --> 0:38:01.178 use a superhero comparison, Like they don't use all of 0:38:01.218 --> 0:38:05.858 his of his superpowers at their disposal. They don't leverage 0:38:05.858 --> 0:38:09.778 these things against the defense. He's their best playmaker on offense. 0:38:10.258 --> 0:38:12.378 He's the best thing they got going for him, and 0:38:12.498 --> 0:38:16.698 they're they're not They're asking him to play to like 0:38:16.818 --> 0:38:19.857 seventy five percent of his strains by not running him. 0:38:20.058 --> 0:38:22.777 So today with Dallas Vanpeld he had a lot to 0:38:22.818 --> 0:38:25.858 say about this sort of thing. I think the biggest 0:38:25.858 --> 0:38:28.138 thing to me was that he mentioned earlier on in 0:38:28.178 --> 0:38:32.298 his press conference that there they want to have a 0:38:32.338 --> 0:38:36.298 conservative effort, uh concerted effort, I should say, of getting 0:38:36.378 --> 0:38:40.018 Drake May through these last three games healthy. And the 0:38:40.138 --> 0:38:43.378 natural fall up for me was, if you guys were 0:38:43.418 --> 0:38:45.818 eleven and three instead of three and eleven, would you 0:38:45.858 --> 0:38:47.458 be running him in these situations? 0:38:47.818 --> 0:38:48.058 Right? 0:38:48.098 --> 0:38:51.898 And his answer was yes. So that tells me that 0:38:51.938 --> 0:38:55.338 the Patriots are basically telling us that they have gone 0:38:55.338 --> 0:38:58.458 out of their way to or in the order to 0:38:58.498 --> 0:39:02.978 protect Drake May from injury to not run the offense 0:39:03.058 --> 0:39:05.698 at its full boat right and to and to take 0:39:05.738 --> 0:39:08.938 some of these quarterback runs off the table until they're 0:39:08.978 --> 0:39:13.458 more competitive as a team. But my only like sort 0:39:13.498 --> 0:39:18.538 of uh, you know, clapback at that is, how do 0:39:18.578 --> 0:39:21.018 you expect to be a competitive team if your quarterback 0:39:21.098 --> 0:39:22.458 is being held back? 0:39:22.698 --> 0:39:23.018 Right? Like? 0:39:23.098 --> 0:39:26.298 How that that's what makes the Bills the Bills, Like, 0:39:26.378 --> 0:39:29.818 that's what makes them unstoppable. That's what makes the Baltimore 0:39:29.898 --> 0:39:33.458 Ravens stoppable, you know. So that's what makes Jayden Daniels 0:39:33.498 --> 0:39:34.937 and the Commander is a playoff team. 0:39:35.218 --> 0:39:37.538 It's funny you use those three examples because the Bills 0:39:37.578 --> 0:39:39.818 have had trouble getting over the hump in part because 0:39:39.898 --> 0:39:41.538 Josh Allen is so banged up at the end of 0:39:41.578 --> 0:39:43.298 every year. The Ravens have had trouble getting over the 0:39:43.378 --> 0:39:45.897 hump because Lamar is not Lamar come the playoffs because 0:39:45.898 --> 0:39:48.578 he's taken such a beating. The Commanders have fallen off 0:39:48.618 --> 0:39:52.538 ever since Shane Daniels suffered that rib injury. So I 0:39:52.578 --> 0:39:55.098 think you kind of get your answer there is to 0:39:55.098 --> 0:39:57.298 why they're worried about it. That's a fair point because 0:39:57.338 --> 0:40:00.258 they and Van Pelt like he almost sounded shell shock 0:40:00.338 --> 0:40:02.058 today when he's talking about, yeah, I know what comes 0:40:02.058 --> 0:40:04.778 with the quarterback run game. I remember losing the quarterback 0:40:04.778 --> 0:40:07.218 for the year in Cleveland and you look at now, Look, 0:40:07.258 --> 0:40:09.817 I think Mahomes is fine. But in theory, you look 0:40:09.858 --> 0:40:11.698 with the Chiefs are going through Mahomes right now, things 0:40:11.698 --> 0:40:13.578 like that. So I've talked about this. I don't think 0:40:13.578 --> 0:40:15.578 the answer to how much you run the quarterback who 0:40:15.618 --> 0:40:17.298 can be a factor in the run game is zero. 0:40:17.618 --> 0:40:20.018 I think you just take some of the risk that 0:40:20.058 --> 0:40:22.297 comes with him getting hurt because of what that can 0:40:22.338 --> 0:40:25.858 add to your offense. On not running him right now, 0:40:26.378 --> 0:40:28.498 you know, I think it's glass half full, glass half empty. 0:40:28.538 --> 0:40:30.938 When you look at Van Pelt's approach on one hand, 0:40:31.858 --> 0:40:34.938 and this goes back to conversations we had. It's very 0:40:34.978 --> 0:40:38.418 similar the conversations we had about when to start Drake 0:40:38.498 --> 0:40:41.377 may right, And you know, is he going to help 0:40:41.418 --> 0:40:44.178 you win more games right now in the immediate yes, 0:40:44.258 --> 0:40:47.658 But is that ultimately what's best for the organization. You 0:40:47.698 --> 0:40:50.458 could argue glass half empty. I don't care what the 0:40:50.458 --> 0:40:53.738 record is. Win games. That's your job. Go out there, 0:40:53.818 --> 0:40:56.258 do everything you can win every single game. On the schedule. 0:40:56.818 --> 0:41:00.138 You could look at it glass half fall and say 0:41:01.098 --> 0:41:04.898 Van Pelt, you know, where's his job security at? And 0:41:04.978 --> 0:41:09.698 he's still so I think not running Drake May right now. 0:41:09.818 --> 0:41:12.297 Now they could have worked in a quarterback steak last week, 0:41:12.338 --> 0:41:14.578 but as a whole, I think not running Drake May 0:41:14.658 --> 0:41:17.258 right now makes sense. We know he can do it. 0:41:17.258 --> 0:41:20.258 It's not the kind of thing that you're necessarily going 0:41:20.338 --> 0:41:23.218 to get better with that better at with reps. I 0:41:23.218 --> 0:41:26.018 think it's just an instinct thing. Every run is different. 0:41:26.818 --> 0:41:28.978 You can you know he can work on that in practice, 0:41:28.978 --> 0:41:31.258 that's not something where he needs to do in games 0:41:31.658 --> 0:41:33.817 a lot to get I also don't know how much 0:41:33.858 --> 0:41:35.178 better he needs to get at it. He's a pretty 0:41:35.218 --> 0:41:36.978 dang good runner when he takes off on a scramble, 0:41:37.058 --> 0:41:39.418 right Yeah. Sure, some things with the Reid option and 0:41:39.778 --> 0:41:42.298 seeing that better, but again you can simulate that in practice. 0:41:43.498 --> 0:41:45.178 I get wanting him to get through the year healthy. 0:41:45.298 --> 0:41:47.458 I've said this since the beginning. The worst thing that 0:41:47.498 --> 0:41:50.018 could happen is he suffers some kind of long term 0:41:50.018 --> 0:41:53.898 injury and loses development time early in his career. So, 0:41:54.498 --> 0:41:57.978 you know, Van Pelt, with his job potentially online doing 0:41:58.018 --> 0:42:01.218 what's best for the kid and along with that doing 0:42:01.218 --> 0:42:03.938 what's best for the organization. Big picture. You look at 0:42:03.938 --> 0:42:06.218 and you say, that's a guy that's a leader, that's 0:42:06.258 --> 0:42:10.938 a guy that has the team over himself. Yeah. So again, 0:42:10.978 --> 0:42:13.738 you can approach it both ways, and maybe there's some 0:42:13.858 --> 0:42:17.618 truth to both of them. But it was a really 0:42:17.658 --> 0:42:19.698 good question by you, and I think it kind of 0:42:19.698 --> 0:42:22.218 shows you where they're at right now. And Drake even 0:42:22.258 --> 0:42:24.258 talked about it this week, and John Mayo talked about 0:42:24.258 --> 0:42:26.218 it this week. These last three games are about development. 0:42:26.578 --> 0:42:29.138 These last three games are about who's gonna go out, 0:42:29.138 --> 0:42:30.698 Who's gonna be a part of this team moving forward. 0:42:30.778 --> 0:42:33.658 We know the roster's going to change this offseason. Who 0:42:33.818 --> 0:42:37.618 is You know you have guys from guys like Drake May, 0:42:38.098 --> 0:42:40.458 Christian Zalez down to the bottom of the roster who 0:42:40.498 --> 0:42:42.498 are trying to show what they can do for next year. 0:42:43.018 --> 0:42:45.458 Drake May gets hurt, it blows a lot of things up. Yeah, 0:42:45.538 --> 0:42:48.458 so I thought it. He didn't need to admit that. 0:42:48.538 --> 0:42:50.818 He certainly didn't need to admit it, could have lied, 0:42:51.018 --> 0:42:53.338 could have talked around it. If he talks around it, 0:42:53.338 --> 0:42:57.458 we kind of know what's going on. But I can't 0:42:57.498 --> 0:42:59.378 help but at least in part commend him for it 0:42:59.458 --> 0:43:01.978 because again, his job, we don't know, his job might 0:43:01.978 --> 0:43:03.938 be on the line, and he's still doing what's best 0:43:03.978 --> 0:43:05.578 for Drake may So I like that take. 0:43:05.618 --> 0:43:09.258 I agree with you that that's commendable by Alex van Pelt, 0:43:09.258 --> 0:43:12.498 that he could go into this and I think, you know, 0:43:12.618 --> 0:43:14.938 just to use another rookie quarterback. I think the Commanders 0:43:14.978 --> 0:43:17.738 did this. I think the Commanders came out and they 0:43:17.858 --> 0:43:22.058 unleashed Jaden Daniels right now. They installed basically a college 0:43:22.098 --> 0:43:25.098 offense with a college you know, coordinator and longtime head 0:43:25.098 --> 0:43:29.418 coach in Cliff Kingsbury, and they ran LSU's offense at 0:43:29.418 --> 0:43:32.418 the NFL level and it was gangbusters for the first 0:43:32.458 --> 0:43:34.658 like six weeks of the season, and to your point, 0:43:34.698 --> 0:43:37.458 he gets hurt and it hasn't been as good right now. 0:43:37.498 --> 0:43:40.098 The biggest thing that I would just say and reverse 0:43:40.178 --> 0:43:43.818 to that though, is like my concern is that we 0:43:43.858 --> 0:43:48.098 don't necessarily know the schematic chops of Alex van Pelt 0:43:48.178 --> 0:43:50.298 in terms of designing that kind of options if they 0:43:50.338 --> 0:43:51.378 haven't put it on film. 0:43:51.498 --> 0:43:54.337 That's where it gets in this weird conversation talking about 0:43:54.378 --> 0:43:56.658 Alex man Pelt for the future, because if you want 0:43:56.698 --> 0:43:59.297 to defend him and defend his job, you can sit 0:43:59.338 --> 0:44:01.938 here and say, we know he's good at player development. 0:44:02.058 --> 0:44:04.458 We know he's good at that part of it. There 0:44:04.538 --> 0:44:06.978 is more, like, if he's holding back the quarterback runs, 0:44:07.498 --> 0:44:09.658 what else he holding back? Maybe there's other things. Maybe 0:44:09.698 --> 0:44:13.098 it's not about Drake May's health, but maybe there's some things. 0:44:13.098 --> 0:44:14.378 And it's like we're three and eleven. 0:44:14.458 --> 0:44:17.418 I have this, but I'd rather save it and not 0:44:17.458 --> 0:44:19.337 put it on tape and come out next year week 0:44:19.378 --> 0:44:20.658 one with it and go gangbusters. 0:44:21.018 --> 0:44:23.337 Right, here's why. Or you could say, all right, he's 0:44:23.338 --> 0:44:26.658 holding back the quarterback runs saying that to save his job. 0:44:27.338 --> 0:44:29.538 How much is how much more really is there? Why 0:44:29.538 --> 0:44:30.258 wouldn't he be doing it? 0:44:30.698 --> 0:44:34.898 Yeah, sorry to interrupt. Here's where I'm at with that. Yeah, 0:44:34.938 --> 0:44:37.018 because this is where it comes in with like, because 0:44:37.018 --> 0:44:39.458 I think this is an interesting conversation, right, Like we 0:44:39.538 --> 0:44:42.658 don't actually know the answer to that question of how 0:44:42.738 --> 0:44:44.738 much is he holding back versus not? No, we can 0:44:44.778 --> 0:44:47.858 only speculate, but I would say that comment opens the 0:44:47.938 --> 0:44:51.218 door to the possibility that he's holding more back, right, so, 0:44:51.618 --> 0:44:54.018 or sorry to cut you off again, how much is 0:44:54.018 --> 0:44:56.777 he holding back because we don't have the offensive line 0:44:56.818 --> 0:44:58.258 to run this, we don't have the wide receivers to 0:44:58.338 --> 0:45:00.578 run this, et cetera. Right, So here, here's where I 0:45:00.618 --> 0:45:05.618 would go if I am Drod Mayo in this whole regime. 0:45:05.698 --> 0:45:08.178 Right now, here was where I would go with Van 0:45:08.258 --> 0:45:11.618 Pelt in January, when the season is over, I would 0:45:11.658 --> 0:45:15.817 say to Alex van Pelt, Okay, show me the actual stuff, right, 0:45:16.018 --> 0:45:20.018 you know, give me a presentation of what you actually 0:45:20.098 --> 0:45:23.058 want to run or actually are capable or could run 0:45:23.498 --> 0:45:27.498 in terms of quarterback runs in particular, or just movement right, 0:45:27.538 --> 0:45:30.858 like moving the pocket right, running the quarterback, all the 0:45:30.898 --> 0:45:34.817 things that we could do, uh to I know you 0:45:34.818 --> 0:45:38.738 you're gonna hate to basically bills like this offense, right, 0:45:38.898 --> 0:45:41.098 like you really want to be the bills like that, 0:45:41.098 --> 0:45:42.018 that's what you want to do. 0:45:42.418 --> 0:45:44.458 Cutting down the turnovers. But yeah, and we know Van 0:45:44.538 --> 0:45:46.938 Pelt is not okay with the turnovers, unlike the nerds 0:45:46.938 --> 0:45:49.098 who have excused them. Okay, he doesn't turn the ball 0:45:49.138 --> 0:45:50.938 over as much anymore because they made it a point 0:45:50.938 --> 0:45:54.018 of emphasis. So back to back weeks, get to the 0:45:54.338 --> 0:45:55.578 place we'll get to the interceptions. 0:45:55.578 --> 0:46:00.218 But so basically, give me a presentation, give me a 0:46:00.218 --> 0:46:04.698 power point on this is what we're actually gonna run. 0:46:05.898 --> 0:46:08.178 And because if I'm Gerrod Mayo and Elliot Wolf, I'm 0:46:08.178 --> 0:46:11.138 saying to Alex Van Pelt, well, we're gonna get the 0:46:11.138 --> 0:46:13.618 personnel right now. I understand that people hear me say 0:46:13.658 --> 0:46:15.418 that and are like, well, what confidence do you have. Well, 0:46:15.418 --> 0:46:16.898 if they're not gonna get the personnel, it doesn't matter 0:46:16.978 --> 0:46:19.338 what they call, right, So let's just operate on the 0:46:19.538 --> 0:46:22.138 on the prism that they are actually gonna do their 0:46:22.258 --> 0:46:24.418 jobs and they're gonna be They're gonna get the personnel. 0:46:24.778 --> 0:46:27.138 We're gonna get the personnel. We don't want you to 0:46:27.178 --> 0:46:29.738 worry about that right now in season. You gotta worry 0:46:29.738 --> 0:46:32.418 about the fact that you're left tackles and right tackles 0:46:32.458 --> 0:46:33.698 deficient and all that stuff. 0:46:33.818 --> 0:46:35.618 But we're gonna get you tackled. That's done. 0:46:35.658 --> 0:46:38.658 We're gonna get your receivers, Like, just tell us what 0:46:38.858 --> 0:46:41.418 you have cooking in the lab and if you like 0:46:41.498 --> 0:46:44.178 what he says, then great, then then you're good. 0:46:44.218 --> 0:46:44.778 You're golden. 0:46:44.978 --> 0:46:46.698 Yeah, if you don't like what he says, you have 0:46:46.698 --> 0:46:49.458 two choices. One is obviously to move on. The other 0:46:49.578 --> 0:46:52.578 choice is sending him and this happens all the time, 0:46:52.618 --> 0:46:56.898 and coaching sending him to some like college program and 0:46:56.938 --> 0:46:59.338 you're probably better at picking a program than me, honestly, 0:46:59.778 --> 0:47:02.938 uh for like a week or two just to learn 0:47:03.498 --> 0:47:07.777 their quarterback run package, right, Like, just teach me your 0:47:07.858 --> 0:47:12.618 quarterback run package and have Van Pelt then come back 0:47:13.338 --> 0:47:18.218 with a different a new chapter to his play. 0:47:18.338 --> 0:47:22.778 What right think about? And maybe this wouldn't this wouldn't 0:47:22.778 --> 0:47:28.098 have to be instead of that, But what about having 0:47:28.178 --> 0:47:30.178 like a run game coordinator a pass game coordinator? 0:47:30.178 --> 0:47:33.777 Adding yeah, or that's another option too, right, is like 0:47:33.898 --> 0:47:37.738 hiring somebody from the outside who specializes in like spread 0:47:37.938 --> 0:47:40.938 offense and that kind of stuff, and is going to 0:47:41.058 --> 0:47:43.857 install that along with Alex van Pelt. I forget who 0:47:43.858 --> 0:47:45.738 I was listening to on the radio the other day, 0:47:46.258 --> 0:47:48.178 so I'm sorry that I can't credit this person, but 0:47:48.218 --> 0:47:49.938 they said that this is what Andy Reid did in 0:47:50.018 --> 0:47:51.698 Kansas City. It might have been Burt, it might have 0:47:51.698 --> 0:47:55.538 been Albert Breer that he hired Brad Childress to come 0:47:55.578 --> 0:47:59.178 in and essentially be his spread game coordinator and take 0:47:59.218 --> 0:48:02.578 the Chiefs West Coast offense and turn it into a 0:48:02.578 --> 0:48:06.218 modern West Coast offense, right and install all these rbos 0:48:06.258 --> 0:48:09.138 and motions and things like that into the offense. So 0:48:10.338 --> 0:48:14.297 that's a path for you too. And then when we 0:48:14.578 --> 0:48:16.817 come back in here for OTAs and you come back 0:48:16.818 --> 0:48:19.578 in here for training camp next season and next spring 0:48:19.618 --> 0:48:22.858 and summer, that's when you start drilling all these things, right, Like, 0:48:22.938 --> 0:48:25.938 that's when you really start to hone in on running 0:48:25.978 --> 0:48:29.337 these things, so that when you get to September, you've 0:48:29.418 --> 0:48:31.858 drilled it for six weeks and you guys know what 0:48:31.898 --> 0:48:34.298 you're doing, you know, in terms of these types of things. 0:48:35.018 --> 0:48:37.578 That would be my big thing with Van Pelt now 0:48:37.938 --> 0:48:39.378 is all right, we got through the season. 0:48:39.778 --> 0:48:42.458 We knew it wasn't gonna be pretty. It wasn't pretty, 0:48:42.938 --> 0:48:45.218 But what's next? Like what's two point zero of this? 0:48:45.338 --> 0:48:47.338 Seems to say they maybe aren't already doing some of 0:48:47.338 --> 0:48:49.458 that stuff. At practice, Van Pelts talked about like there 0:48:49.458 --> 0:48:51.418 are things on the play sheet he's not calming. Yeah, 0:48:51.418 --> 0:48:53.298 so maybe this has already started. Yeah, I'll give you 0:48:53.298 --> 0:48:54.698 the school. By the way, you're not gonna like this, 0:48:54.698 --> 0:48:57.018 but I'll give you the school that you do that with. Okay, 0:48:57.258 --> 0:48:57.858 it's army. 0:48:59.258 --> 0:49:01.018 I honestly don't hate it. 0:49:01.018 --> 0:49:03.898 Bryson Daily is like a big physical. Now he's not 0:49:04.018 --> 0:49:06.178 six ' five like Drake, Yeah, but he's six foot 0:49:06.258 --> 0:49:07.818 he's listened to twenty. I think he's bigger than that. 0:49:07.818 --> 0:49:09.857 I think he's probably closer to two thirty yea. And 0:49:09.938 --> 0:49:13.098 it's a lot of that, like you want to Josh 0:49:13.138 --> 0:49:15.738 Allen kind of runs where it's not you know, you 0:49:15.738 --> 0:49:17.698 look at how Lamar runs, you look at how Jane 0:49:17.778 --> 0:49:21.338 Daniels runs. They're running to the outside, they're using more speed, 0:49:21.338 --> 0:49:24.458 they're trying to get to the perimeter. Josh Allen is 0:49:24.898 --> 0:49:26.498 and they'll run him to the outside too, but they're 0:49:26.538 --> 0:49:28.778 not afraid to put him between the tackles and have 0:49:28.858 --> 0:49:31.578 him truck somebody. That's kind of how bryceon Daly and 0:49:31.698 --> 0:49:32.538 Army's offense were. 0:49:32.698 --> 0:49:35.378 Yes, so they run a lot of inverted Verer in Buffalo, 0:49:35.498 --> 0:49:38.818 so like, well that's Army. Yeah, So like inverted meaning 0:49:38.858 --> 0:49:41.618 that the inside run is actually the quarterback and not 0:49:41.658 --> 0:49:43.498 the running back. The running back is the one that's 0:49:43.498 --> 0:49:45.858 trying to get the corner, and the quarterback is the 0:49:45.858 --> 0:49:47.377 one that's trying to get the middle of the wall. 0:49:47.418 --> 0:49:49.658 And actually you get the perfect marriage of it because 0:49:49.738 --> 0:49:54.698 you know who Armies head coaches, Todd Bonkin's brother, Todd 0:49:54.738 --> 0:49:58.578 Monkets Jeff Monkett. Yeah, so you get and and him 0:49:58.578 --> 0:50:02.018 and his brother obviously discussed these things right there, kind 0:50:02.058 --> 0:50:06.618 of a similar philosophy. So you have that Jeff Monkin 0:50:07.378 --> 0:50:10.578 kind of influence, that Ravens influence. But you also they 0:50:10.618 --> 0:50:15.018 built it around Brendan Daly is a more physical, bruising runner. 0:50:15.058 --> 0:50:17.138 He's not gonna run around guy, He's gonna run over guys. 0:50:17.298 --> 0:50:19.138 He was I think the fifth or sixth leading rusher 0:50:19.138 --> 0:50:22.218 in college football this year, not among quarterbacks, just overall. 0:50:23.178 --> 0:50:26.658 That's the That's the school i'd try to emulate. Yeah, look, 0:50:26.698 --> 0:50:29.418 I just the seventh in the nation. He ran for 0:50:29.498 --> 0:50:31.218 fifteen hundred yards in twelve games. 0:50:31.378 --> 0:50:33.978 I am willing to be open to the fact that 0:50:34.018 --> 0:50:36.738 Alex van Pelt might still be capable of doing this 0:50:36.938 --> 0:50:39.938 himself without having to change coordinators. And I gotta be 0:50:39.978 --> 0:50:42.058 honest with you, like, you know how much I love 0:50:42.138 --> 0:50:45.178 Josh McDaniels. I think Josh McDaniels is a great coordinator, 0:50:45.618 --> 0:50:47.818 not a great head coach, but a great coordinator and 0:50:47.858 --> 0:50:51.498 a great play caller. But it does concern me to 0:50:52.138 --> 0:50:54.738 change playbooks on Drake May from year one to year two. 0:50:55.578 --> 0:50:58.618 He's more talented than Mac Jones. He's a better quarterback 0:50:58.698 --> 0:51:00.858 than Mac Jones. But we just did this, like we 0:51:01.178 --> 0:51:04.058 just changed coordinators on a rookie quarterback that had a 0:51:04.098 --> 0:51:07.618 promising rookie season and went to somebody different, and it 0:51:07.898 --> 0:51:10.297 just went off the rails like three years ago, right, 0:51:10.418 --> 0:51:13.218 not even And I just I'm very wary of that. 0:51:13.258 --> 0:51:15.538 It's not the reason you keep Alex van Pelt like, 0:51:15.538 --> 0:51:18.018 it's not. The number one reason is continuity. I don't 0:51:18.058 --> 0:51:20.538 think that's what it is. But I do think it 0:51:20.618 --> 0:51:24.018 has to play a factor in where you go on offense. 0:51:24.058 --> 0:51:26.498 And I do believe that if it's Gerd Mayo that 0:51:26.578 --> 0:51:29.258 he wants to run a West Coast system, I don't 0:51:29.258 --> 0:51:32.258 think he wants to necessarily go back to the to 0:51:32.298 --> 0:51:34.778 the Earnhard Perkins offense, Like I don't think he necessarily 0:51:34.818 --> 0:51:37.898 wants to do that. So look, I I'm open to 0:51:37.938 --> 0:51:40.018 the fact that it could be Ox van pel that 0:51:40.298 --> 0:51:42.978 that does this and does this pivot. But in order 0:51:42.978 --> 0:51:44.978 for me to be open to that, I would I would. 0:51:45.098 --> 0:51:46.857 I mean, I'm not going to They're not gonna I'm 0:51:46.898 --> 0:51:48.698 not going to be in on the meeting shocker, But 0:51:49.058 --> 0:51:51.178 like you have to have a presentation, you have to 0:51:51.218 --> 0:51:52.978 have to sit down, and I wouldn't even. 0:51:52.858 --> 0:51:53.818 Wait till the end of the year. I think that 0:51:53.858 --> 0:51:56.178 would start probably now, and maybe you start doing some 0:51:56.218 --> 0:51:57.817 of that stuff at practice to kind of see what 0:51:57.818 --> 0:51:59.897 it looks like. So you know, you know your point 0:51:59.938 --> 0:52:02.218 about that. If they were to have that meeting, it's 0:52:02.258 --> 0:52:04.978 not just okay, what are your will get you the player? 0:52:05.058 --> 0:52:07.658 What are your plans? It's what are your plans so 0:52:07.818 --> 0:52:11.777 we know which players to get right that fit into that? 0:52:12.138 --> 0:52:14.698 Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think they have some of 0:52:14.738 --> 0:52:18.018 the guys already that oh yeah, that would fit into it. 0:52:18.098 --> 0:52:19.978 Maybe maybe not so much on the line because they 0:52:19.978 --> 0:52:21.658 have a lot of work to do there. But I 0:52:21.698 --> 0:52:24.378 actually really feel like Pop Douglas is like a useful 0:52:24.418 --> 0:52:26.857 player and that sort of thing. You know, I watch 0:52:26.898 --> 0:52:30.378 how the Bills, I use Khalil Shakir Uh and killers. 0:52:30.538 --> 0:52:32.338 Here's a little thicker, like it's a little bigger than 0:52:32.338 --> 0:52:34.698 Pop Douglas, But like in general, you know, they run 0:52:34.738 --> 0:52:37.058 a lot of orbit right with the motion coming behind 0:52:37.138 --> 0:52:38.538 the quarterback and things like that. 0:52:38.698 --> 0:52:40.898 George last week, Yeah, Cardinals. 0:52:40.618 --> 0:52:42.698 Yeah, like they use a lot of that orbit motion 0:52:42.858 --> 0:52:45.618 or satellite motion where he goes behind the quarterback. And 0:52:45.658 --> 0:52:47.418 what I really like about what the Bills will do 0:52:47.498 --> 0:52:50.777 is they'll they'll use the motion man to run a 0:52:50.778 --> 0:52:53.818 play action fake to the motion right, so they're gonna 0:52:54.298 --> 0:52:57.338 fake the sweep, the you know, the Jets sweep or whatever, 0:52:57.578 --> 0:53:00.058 and then that allows that frees up the running back 0:53:00.138 --> 0:53:02.777 to like get into the pattern instantly. So they ran 0:53:02.938 --> 0:53:06.898 like an orbit motion behind Josh Allen against Detroit and 0:53:06.938 --> 0:53:09.738 then they ran the back and on a wheel right 0:53:09.778 --> 0:53:12.337 from the place that the motion was coming from right, 0:53:12.418 --> 0:53:14.978 so that space just opens up and then they get 0:53:14.978 --> 0:53:17.377 man to man coverage and it's just a running back 0:53:17.578 --> 0:53:20.098 on a linebacker with like twenty five yards of space 0:53:20.138 --> 0:53:22.058 to work with, and it was a bomb. So you 0:53:22.098 --> 0:53:25.018 look at these types of things that Buffalo does. That's 0:53:25.338 --> 0:53:27.738 that's just what the Patriots offense is missing, and that 0:53:28.098 --> 0:53:31.018 you know people that are not it's like me that 0:53:31.058 --> 0:53:33.698 are studying Bills tape this week, Like when you watch 0:53:33.738 --> 0:53:35.978 the game on Sunday, you'll see it. Like you'll see 0:53:36.178 --> 0:53:38.297 when they get down on the goal line that they're 0:53:38.378 --> 0:53:40.778 running bash and they're running counter and they're running trap 0:53:40.778 --> 0:53:43.378 and they're running all these things with Alan that allow 0:53:43.498 --> 0:53:46.738 him to just walk into the end zone sometimes untouched 0:53:47.018 --> 0:53:49.618 for touchdowns like last week. You know, the Red Seas 0:53:49.738 --> 0:53:52.458 just parted and he just waltzed in for a touchdown 0:53:52.498 --> 0:53:55.377 from like three or four yards out. The Patriots need 0:53:55.578 --> 0:53:58.098 to get that stuff in the playbook next year, like 0:53:58.218 --> 0:54:01.738 it needs to be in the playbook next year. That's 0:54:01.738 --> 0:54:04.817 how you get competitive. I get it now. But that's 0:54:04.858 --> 0:54:06.898 how you get competitive on that side of the ball. 0:54:07.658 --> 0:54:11.138 So that's that's your coaching autopsy. Did you do three up, 0:54:11.138 --> 0:54:12.658 three down? Are you prepared? 0:54:12.738 --> 0:54:15.938 I am all right? Did we agree that we're retiring 0:54:16.018 --> 0:54:17.857 Christian ZoZ just saying he's good? Okay? 0:54:18.458 --> 0:54:20.538 So I have two up and four down because of 0:54:20.658 --> 0:54:22.218 you know that kind of game. That's what you get 0:54:22.418 --> 0:54:25.058 from me. So I'll just start because we both just 0:54:25.098 --> 0:54:27.138 said it. I had Christianzalees is the number one. 0:54:27.378 --> 0:54:29.378 I think he's just like he just counts it like 0:54:29.418 --> 0:54:31.698 we did with bar Moore last ye he's number one up. 0:54:31.938 --> 0:54:33.498 I still want to talk about it because there's not 0:54:33.578 --> 0:54:35.578 a whole lot of positives to talk about it right now. 0:54:36.338 --> 0:54:38.058 This to me was one of his best games as 0:54:38.098 --> 0:54:41.258 a pro. Now, Marvin Harrison Junior is maybe not the 0:54:42.298 --> 0:54:46.858 instant franchise number one receiver that we thought he was gonna. 0:54:46.738 --> 0:54:50.098 I wouldn't say we there because some people some people 0:54:50.658 --> 0:54:52.418 it said he was very good, but he was not 0:54:52.578 --> 0:54:54.738 going to instantly step in and fix everything. You did 0:54:54.818 --> 0:54:57.498 say that the way many thought you did say that. 0:54:57.898 --> 0:55:00.538 Now. I also had him and Malik Davers really close. 0:55:00.618 --> 0:55:01.498 By the end of the process. 0:55:02.058 --> 0:55:04.258 Has been good. I think he's just limited in that offense. 0:55:04.778 --> 0:55:10.498 So Christian Gonzales against Marvin Harrison Junior. I didn't write 0:55:10.538 --> 0:55:13.298 down routes. I think it was twenty two routes across 0:55:13.338 --> 0:55:16.458 from him in coverage, five targets, one catch, twenty three 0:55:16.538 --> 0:55:20.018 yards and it is a pick play. Didn't play it great, 0:55:20.218 --> 0:55:20.658 to be fair. 0:55:21.818 --> 0:55:24.178 I'm surprised more teams haven't done that to Gonzalez this year, 0:55:24.218 --> 0:55:25.618 and I think you're gonna start to see it more now. 0:55:25.938 --> 0:55:29.058 So he's usually pretty good at navigating it. On this one, 0:55:29.098 --> 0:55:31.978 I think he was in inside the slot. I think 0:55:32.058 --> 0:55:34.738 that sort of took him by surprise that they ran 0:55:34.818 --> 0:55:38.898 it that way. So he had PFF had him with 0:55:39.018 --> 0:55:42.458 two PBUs technically, I know the the box score after 0:55:42.538 --> 0:55:45.058 the game, I want to say had had three one 0:55:45.098 --> 0:55:48.578 of them now, but PFF tracks what they call forced 0:55:48.658 --> 0:55:51.978 in completions, which isn't necessarily that they get a hand 0:55:52.018 --> 0:55:54.338 in there to deflect the pass, but it's more just 0:55:54.498 --> 0:55:57.578 like such tight coverage that like there's no way the 0:55:57.738 --> 0:56:00.098 pass was going to be completed sort of thing. So 0:56:00.178 --> 0:56:02.458 they had four of those for him on five targets. 0:56:02.458 --> 0:56:05.138 So all the other targets that he had, he was 0:56:05.338 --> 0:56:07.298 just he had him in jail. I mean, he was 0:56:07.498 --> 0:56:11.338 just strapped in on Marvin Harrison Junior. This is one 0:56:11.378 --> 0:56:14.538 of those tapes that when you're Christian Gonzalez, who I 0:56:14.618 --> 0:56:16.698 talked to you this week, I have a post about 0:56:16.738 --> 0:56:19.138 it tomorrow. If you want to make the case that 0:56:19.258 --> 0:56:22.098 Christian Gonzalez is like an All Pro, a Pro Bowl 0:56:22.218 --> 0:56:25.338 caliber player this year, that this is this is the 0:56:25.418 --> 0:56:28.098 film that you show, Yeah, you know this was This 0:56:28.258 --> 0:56:31.777 was a league cornerback play by him on side. Yeah. 0:56:31.978 --> 0:56:33.138 I mean, I don't have much to add to that, 0:56:33.298 --> 0:56:35.938 just playing incredibly high level right now. I think, you know, 0:56:36.098 --> 0:56:39.458 the team's records probably hurting him in terms of some 0:56:39.618 --> 0:56:42.098 of that league recognition stuff, Pro Bowl, All Pro. But 0:56:42.778 --> 0:56:45.058 can you name five better corners in the NFL right now? 0:56:45.458 --> 0:56:45.498 No? 0:56:45.778 --> 0:56:47.658 I mean sir Tan's having a great year. 0:56:47.858 --> 0:56:48.098 Yeah. 0:56:48.338 --> 0:56:52.298 Uh, Stingley's having a great year. I would say that 0:56:52.778 --> 0:56:55.138 you're a third right, like you're you're you have an 0:56:55.258 --> 0:56:58.777 argument that Christian Gonzalez has been at worst the third 0:56:58.858 --> 0:56:59.418 best corners. 0:56:59.538 --> 0:57:01.898 By the way, this show had Stingley oversaw us that 0:57:02.218 --> 0:57:04.658 it did it did, did it did very proud. I 0:57:04.778 --> 0:57:07.578 was like annoyed by that one. It really goes to 0:57:07.698 --> 0:57:10.298 show and this is the last thing I promised have 0:57:10.378 --> 0:57:10.618 to move. 0:57:10.698 --> 0:57:14.458 But we've talked about this before, and I know Stefan 0:57:14.538 --> 0:57:17.258 Gilmore once he got into like a little bit cocky 0:57:17.378 --> 0:57:19.298 defensive player of the Year mode, which I loved. 0:57:19.338 --> 0:57:21.618 I love that version of Stefan Gilmore. Uh. 0:57:21.698 --> 0:57:24.258 He came out and said it like there's zone corners 0:57:24.298 --> 0:57:27.538 and there's man corners, like some of us, like Christian Gonzalez, 0:57:27.618 --> 0:57:31.018 like Stefan Gilmore, like Derek Stingley, Like we try right 0:57:31.098 --> 0:57:32.858 and we're gonna go with you all over the field, 0:57:32.898 --> 0:57:35.338 whether you're in the slot, whether you're left, you know, 0:57:35.458 --> 0:57:36.978 to the left of the quarterback, to the right of 0:57:37.018 --> 0:57:38.098 the quarterback. 0:57:37.898 --> 0:57:39.338 Like we're going with you everywhere. 0:57:39.578 --> 0:57:42.018 Then there's corners like Sauce Gardner that had just taken 0:57:42.058 --> 0:57:44.418 a deep third of the field and cover three all 0:57:44.498 --> 0:57:47.058 game long. And when you have a great pass rush, 0:57:47.778 --> 0:57:49.418 you all of a sudden you look great, right like 0:57:49.778 --> 0:57:53.018 you look fantastic. Oh wow, you know I easier job 0:57:53.658 --> 0:57:54.498 is an easier job. 0:57:54.658 --> 0:57:55.938 I've said this to you off there. I don't know 0:57:55.978 --> 0:57:57.898 that I've brought this take on the year before that 0:57:58.458 --> 0:58:02.978 Seattle three defense. Yes, is two corners with the Shanahan 0:58:03.058 --> 0:58:06.738 offenses to quarterbacks. Yeah, it takes a lot off their plate. 0:58:06.938 --> 0:58:08.778 It makes it very paint by number for them. It 0:58:08.818 --> 0:58:10.658 puts the emphasis some players in other positions. 0:58:10.778 --> 0:58:12.698 Yeah, good one. Who's your number two? 0:58:13.098 --> 0:58:13.698 My number two? 0:58:13.938 --> 0:58:14.058 Up? 0:58:14.378 --> 0:58:16.538 I had four because I didn't know if we were 0:58:16.658 --> 0:58:18.898 if I didn't remember if were tired Christian Azalz or not. Yeah, 0:58:19.418 --> 0:58:23.018 Drake May Yeah. I thought for what this game was, 0:58:23.178 --> 0:58:27.298 and they were obviously very conservative. Was that because the 0:58:27.418 --> 0:58:29.698 offensive line was struggling and they wanted to protect him? 0:58:29.778 --> 0:58:32.498 Was it just general conservativeness? Is probably some of both? 0:58:33.338 --> 0:58:35.098 For what this game was, he handled himself well. A 0:58:35.098 --> 0:58:39.738 couple bad snaps avoided disaster there. I thought, I know 0:58:39.818 --> 0:58:41.658 it's in garbage time. The throw to Kendrick Bourne's a 0:58:41.698 --> 0:58:44.258 really good throw. Your arm doesn't know how much times 0:58:44.298 --> 0:58:47.098 on the clock or what the scoreboard is Mechanically, physically, 0:58:47.138 --> 0:58:49.018 it's an impressive throw. Same with the play to Pop 0:58:49.058 --> 0:58:52.978 Douglas and he he turned the ball over, but that 0:58:53.538 --> 0:58:55.938 it hit the receiver in both hands. Yeah, like second, 0:58:56.378 --> 0:58:57.698 he didn't put the ball on Harm's way for a 0:58:57.738 --> 0:58:59.698 second straight game. He did have a spray, which we 0:58:59.738 --> 0:59:01.458 hadn't seen from him in a few weeks. Yeah, but 0:59:02.458 --> 0:59:05.218 it wasn't a dangerous throw. Was he just he missed it. 0:59:05.298 --> 0:59:08.058 It wasn't near anybody. You hope the sprays don't add up, 0:59:08.498 --> 0:59:10.458 you know, It's just all right. It came back, move 0:59:10.538 --> 0:59:12.498 on from it. But I thought for what this game was, 0:59:12.778 --> 0:59:14.818 this was a game where Drake may probably should have 0:59:14.858 --> 0:59:16.898 had a much worse game than he did, just given 0:59:16.978 --> 0:59:20.338 everything surrounding him, And yet he was solid. 0:59:20.538 --> 0:59:22.618 Yeah. So the reason why I didn't have him as 0:59:22.618 --> 0:59:24.818 an up isn't it because I didn't consider all the 0:59:24.898 --> 0:59:25.418 same things. 0:59:25.658 --> 0:59:27.778 They just asked so little of him in this game. 0:59:28.458 --> 0:59:30.778 And this is another thing about you know, I didn't 0:59:30.818 --> 0:59:32.778 bring this up with the whole rant about the offense, 0:59:32.858 --> 0:59:35.618 but this is my initial take after the game. So 0:59:35.658 --> 0:59:39.098 I didn't want to repeat myself too much. They just 0:59:39.218 --> 0:59:43.098 came out of this game. This was Patricia esk like 0:59:43.258 --> 0:59:47.058 in terms of like screen screen draw draw, right, Like, 0:59:47.178 --> 0:59:50.818 they just didn't put anything on his plate. And that, 0:59:51.098 --> 0:59:54.418 to me was really frustrating because for one and the 0:59:54.498 --> 0:59:58.258 boss says this all the time, Fred says, don't coddle him, right, 0:59:58.378 --> 1:00:01.058 like you did that with mac Jones. And it worked 1:00:01.098 --> 1:00:03.738 for one year, and then the more that was put 1:00:03.818 --> 1:00:06.458 on mac Jones's shoulders, the worst that it got, Like 1:00:06.698 --> 1:00:09.578 you have to see what you're capable of at this level. 1:00:09.698 --> 1:00:11.258 Yeah, I don't know if it was coddling so much 1:00:11.258 --> 1:00:14.538 as protecting, especially in the wake of Van Pelt's comments today. Yeah, 1:00:15.098 --> 1:00:17.778 you look at the way that offensive line played early, right, 1:00:18.338 --> 1:00:20.778 I wonder if they saw that and said, yeah, we 1:00:20.938 --> 1:00:25.578 can't five step drops, No, those are off the play sheet. Rollouts, no, 1:00:25.818 --> 1:00:27.538 those are off the play sheet. Like I wonder if 1:00:27.538 --> 1:00:29.178 they just looked at it and said, we got to 1:00:29.218 --> 1:00:30.938 make sure he makes it through this game. The offense, 1:00:31.058 --> 1:00:35.458 like sometimes starting pitcher in baseball gets up there in 1:00:35.458 --> 1:00:38.018 the first inning, hangs a curveball and maybe it's a 1:00:38.018 --> 1:00:40.858 good pitch, but hangs his curveball and catcher looks at 1:00:40.858 --> 1:00:43.218 it and says, doesn't have the curveball today. We're throwing 1:00:43.258 --> 1:00:45.858 more fastballs, We're throwing more change ups. I wonder if 1:00:45.858 --> 1:00:48.338 they just went out there saw it. Offensive line doesn't 1:00:48.378 --> 1:00:51.538 have it today. We can't put the kid in in danger. 1:00:51.658 --> 1:00:53.298 Ear I hear that. 1:00:53.618 --> 1:00:56.298 But when you go into halftime and his average aery 1:00:56.378 --> 1:01:00.658 yards per target is negative point eight, like you're below zero. Yeah, 1:01:01.258 --> 1:01:04.138 and everything is near the line of scrimmage. They really 1:01:04.218 --> 1:01:07.698 didn't even remotely touch on opening up this offense until 1:01:07.778 --> 1:01:08.738 midway through the I'm. 1:01:08.578 --> 1:01:11.418 Not necessarily defending it. Like if they if the goal 1:01:11.538 --> 1:01:13.778 was to protect him, I get it, but they overdid it. Yeah, 1:01:13.778 --> 1:01:16.098 I'm just saying, I wonder if that's what happened. I 1:01:16.498 --> 1:01:19.738 wonder if it was so much protecting Drake. May the 1:01:19.858 --> 1:01:21.578 rookie putting too much on his plate just for his 1:01:21.618 --> 1:01:24.578 physically protecting him with the blocking. 1:01:24.698 --> 1:01:26.298 Yeah, I'm be in. Look, he grated out well again, 1:01:26.778 --> 1:01:29.018 but a lot of his plus players came late in 1:01:29.138 --> 1:01:31.178 this game. You know, some people would say, in garbage 1:01:31.218 --> 1:01:36.058 time of this game, Uh, the interception, I put it 1:01:36.138 --> 1:01:38.578 on Booty. But I also think he was late to 1:01:38.698 --> 1:01:40.538 the d cut a little bit because of the pressure. 1:01:40.938 --> 1:01:43.178 You know, that's one of those that it's probably more 1:01:43.338 --> 1:01:46.058 on Ben Brown getting beat and Booty dropping the pass, 1:01:46.098 --> 1:01:48.698 and it is on Drake. But I've seen him throw 1:01:48.818 --> 1:01:51.978 that ball sooner and better and like more on time, 1:01:52.058 --> 1:01:54.178 I guess is the better way to put it in 1:01:54.338 --> 1:01:56.338 the past, you know, like the ones to Kendrick Bourne 1:01:56.338 --> 1:01:59.538 against the Colts were just perfectly time, perfectly fit. 1:02:00.018 --> 1:02:02.538 Overlords at PFF said it wasn't a turnover worthy play. 1:02:02.738 --> 1:02:04.938 It's not a turnover worthy play, just like in my 1:02:05.058 --> 1:02:07.338 mind the Hunter Henry one on the goal line wasn't 1:02:07.338 --> 1:02:08.378 a turnover worthy play. 1:02:08.738 --> 1:02:12.938 But could it have been? Could have been better? Yeah, right, 1:02:13.098 --> 1:02:15.658 but it shouldn't. That throw shouldn't lead to a turnover. No, 1:02:16.178 --> 1:02:17.698 that's why it's not a turnover worthy play. 1:02:18.218 --> 1:02:21.658 Now. I just it goes back to the quarterback run 1:02:21.738 --> 1:02:25.018 thing for me as well. Like they they just they 1:02:25.098 --> 1:02:27.218 did not ask him to do a whole. 1:02:27.058 --> 1:02:27.778 Lot in this game. 1:02:27.938 --> 1:02:30.138 Yeah, And in my mind when I'm watching it, when 1:02:30.138 --> 1:02:31.938 I was about it right after the game, I'm like, 1:02:32.058 --> 1:02:35.898 he's not Bailey's appy, like right, Like you know, he's 1:02:36.058 --> 1:02:40.298 very talented. Like I don't understand why we're bottling up 1:02:40.498 --> 1:02:42.498 him up here, and then all of a sudden, you 1:02:42.658 --> 1:02:46.378 get it, Arizona starts playing some softer coverages. It's garbage time, 1:02:46.418 --> 1:02:48.258 whatever you want to call it. But like to your 1:02:48.338 --> 1:02:50.818 point that the goball to Kendrick Bourne in the fourth quarter, 1:02:50.938 --> 1:02:53.298 that's man to man right, Like, that's not they're not 1:02:53.458 --> 1:02:55.858 backing off there. They're playing press man across the board 1:02:55.898 --> 1:02:58.378 and he just throws a dime to Kendrick Bourne. Like, 1:02:58.418 --> 1:03:00.498 if you do that in the first quarter instead of 1:03:00.578 --> 1:03:03.538 the fourth quarter, and that play doesn't take forever, that's 1:03:03.618 --> 1:03:06.298 not like he doesn't need four seconds to like get 1:03:06.338 --> 1:03:08.418 that throw off. But if you do that early in 1:03:08.498 --> 1:03:10.578 the game, then some of the short game stuff that 1:03:10.658 --> 1:03:12.938 they were trying to do now it almost makes the 1:03:13.018 --> 1:03:16.418 defense like respected a little right, Like you know, now 1:03:16.458 --> 1:03:18.578 maybe some of those swings and the screens and the 1:03:18.658 --> 1:03:21.178 flats and things like that, Like maybe that stuff like 1:03:21.258 --> 1:03:23.018 works out. You know, the little sticks that they like 1:03:23.098 --> 1:03:24.858 to run to the tight ends that the Cardinals will 1:03:25.098 --> 1:03:27.738 we're all over. Well, if you run a little stick 1:03:27.858 --> 1:03:29.898 nod right where he acts like he's gonna sit, and 1:03:29.938 --> 1:03:31.698 then he goes up the field, up the seam and 1:03:31.818 --> 1:03:34.018 he hits him early on in the game. Well, now, 1:03:34.098 --> 1:03:36.898 maybe they don't sit all over those throws underneath anymore. 1:03:37.338 --> 1:03:38.978 Those are the types of things that I just feel 1:03:39.018 --> 1:03:41.418 like they could have done better. Anyways, I digress my 1:03:41.698 --> 1:03:43.698 my second up in this game. 1:03:44.978 --> 1:03:47.578 You want some interesting breaking news here? Sure, the Jets 1:03:47.618 --> 1:03:50.978 have interviewed Senior Bowl executive director Jim Nagy for their 1:03:51.058 --> 1:03:53.698 GM job. Oh interesting? What do you think that? 1:03:54.538 --> 1:03:58.098 I like Jim Nagy? I really have enjoyed all my 1:03:58.178 --> 1:04:00.178 conversations that I've had with him. I think he's a 1:04:00.218 --> 1:04:02.898 bright football mind. I think it would behoove him to 1:04:03.338 --> 1:04:05.418 not have to gas up every single player that goes 1:04:05.458 --> 1:04:07.458 to Mobile, right, you know, I think that would that 1:04:07.498 --> 1:04:07.938 would help. 1:04:09.458 --> 1:04:10.498 He's very good. 1:04:12.178 --> 1:04:18.458 At putting together teams and understanding the landscape of college. 1:04:18.938 --> 1:04:21.058 So from that aspect, if you're just looking to be 1:04:21.218 --> 1:04:24.378 truly like a draft and developed team, it's a it's 1:04:24.418 --> 1:04:25.458 a good person to interview. 1:04:25.618 --> 1:04:28.818 Yeah, is he gonna use MAGN ratings? So that's the question. No, 1:04:29.378 --> 1:04:31.298 he is not. You saw that, right, did I can't. 1:04:31.378 --> 1:04:33.658 I don't. I'm choosing to believe that that story wasn't real. 1:04:34.178 --> 1:04:36.618 Next time people say who cares about the men ratings? 1:04:36.658 --> 1:04:39.738 Woody Johnson is a really great apparently really great. Apparently 1:04:39.818 --> 1:04:40.458 he cares. 1:04:42.258 --> 1:04:46.498 Number two up number two Antonio Gibson. Okay, I thought 1:04:46.498 --> 1:04:49.258 Antonio Gibson both running backs. Yeah, I thought Antonio Gibson 1:04:49.338 --> 1:04:52.978 was fantastic in this game. Continues to just pound the 1:04:53.058 --> 1:04:57.418 table for more and more opportunities. He had eleven forced 1:04:57.498 --> 1:04:58.818 miss tackles in this game. 1:04:58.698 --> 1:05:01.018 And he had more yards after contact than he had totally. 1:05:01.338 --> 1:05:04.738 Yeah, so he had forty four after contact as a runner, 1:05:04.938 --> 1:05:07.138 and then he had thirty three yards after the catch 1:05:07.338 --> 1:05:10.978 in the passing game. So he had seventy seven yards 1:05:11.018 --> 1:05:12.138 that he basically. 1:05:11.858 --> 1:05:13.978 He did on his own, did on his own. Yeah. No, 1:05:14.178 --> 1:05:18.178 he's good. Stevenson too. So the Patriots backs finished with 1:05:18.218 --> 1:05:20.738 one hundred and sixteen yards or sorry, no, that's with 1:05:20.858 --> 1:05:23.738 Drake may I'm not gonna do the math in my head. 1:05:23.978 --> 1:05:27.218 They they had how many did Drake may Drake may hae? 1:05:27.298 --> 1:05:30.698 None after contact? So the Patriots running backs finished with 1:05:30.778 --> 1:05:33.938 one hundred and two yards in this game. Ninety eight 1:05:34.018 --> 1:05:35.338 of those yards were after contact. 1:05:35.538 --> 1:05:35.698 Yeah. 1:05:35.818 --> 1:05:37.618 This you know, it was like early in the season 1:05:37.618 --> 1:05:40.498 against the Bengals where the running game worked. It wasn't 1:05:40.498 --> 1:05:42.938 because of the offensive line. It was those guys creating 1:05:43.178 --> 1:05:46.418 and good for them. And I thought, I think Ramondre Stevenson, 1:05:46.498 --> 1:05:48.738 after a rough stretch there in the middle of the year, 1:05:48.858 --> 1:05:52.538 continues to kind of get back into form. Here Gibson 1:05:52.578 --> 1:05:54.138 should have a bigger role. And you see as Gibson 1:05:54.138 --> 1:05:56.938 gets a bigger role, Ramondre Stevenson looks a little bit fresher. 1:05:57.218 --> 1:05:58.418 I wonder if those two things. 1:05:58.778 --> 1:06:01.058 They outside the by which I think did remind of 1:06:01.178 --> 1:06:01.498 the buy. 1:06:01.458 --> 1:06:02.938 But just as a hole for the last few weeks. 1:06:03.018 --> 1:06:05.778 So I thought both running backs ran hard, ran well. 1:06:06.058 --> 1:06:08.698 That was encouraging to see, especially like in theory. Obviously 1:06:08.738 --> 1:06:11.058 they're out of it now, but like these are probably 1:06:11.058 --> 1:06:12.738 gonna be their top two backs again next year, just 1:06:12.778 --> 1:06:16.018 based on contracts. Yeah, that kind of running. They're in Arizona, 1:06:16.058 --> 1:06:18.418 they're indoors. You get up here in the cold late 1:06:18.458 --> 1:06:20.258 in the year, you start running like that, you're gonna 1:06:20.258 --> 1:06:21.578 create some really big plays. Yeah. 1:06:21.658 --> 1:06:23.458 So that the one play at the end of the 1:06:23.498 --> 1:06:25.738 game by Gibson where he catches the ball that's a 1:06:25.778 --> 1:06:28.218 little behind him with one hand, then breaks like three 1:06:28.338 --> 1:06:30.938 tackles and goes for a pretty big and it's. 1:06:30.818 --> 1:06:32.778 Also with that those numbers, by the way, or without 1:06:32.898 --> 1:06:35.298 the one that was brought back on the Leaden Robinson. 1:06:35.538 --> 1:06:38.338 Yeah, I mean that's that was a big time play 1:06:38.538 --> 1:06:40.178 on that catch at the end of the game by 1:06:40.218 --> 1:06:41.018 Antonio Gibson. 1:06:41.338 --> 1:06:46.018 All right, anybody else? Yeah, I have one more Christian Ellis. 1:06:46.298 --> 1:06:48.018 I know it was a rough game for the defense 1:06:48.058 --> 1:06:50.298 as a whole, but he comes up. He tackles Kyler 1:06:50.378 --> 1:06:52.298 Murray in space on a third down. That's a really 1:06:52.338 --> 1:06:55.378 good tackle. Had another good tackle early on on the 1:06:55.458 --> 1:06:59.218 big James Connor run where Brill Peppers gets beat. You 1:06:59.338 --> 1:07:02.338 watch Christan Ellis on that. He comes almost all the 1:07:02.378 --> 1:07:04.258 way across the field to chase him down and make 1:07:04.298 --> 1:07:07.578 that tackle. Busted his ass. If not, that's a touchdown. Yeah, 1:07:07.618 --> 1:07:10.378 And I hate, I hate to give an up on 1:07:10.458 --> 1:07:12.618 a play that was a what fifty six yard run? 1:07:13.218 --> 1:07:15.498 And it was kind of just that kind of game. 1:07:15.618 --> 1:07:19.898 But this where this team is at record wise, this 1:07:20.018 --> 1:07:22.338 time of year, who's still trying, who's still giving it? 1:07:22.418 --> 1:07:25.098 There all? Christan Nellis played with great motor in this game. 1:07:25.378 --> 1:07:27.018 He made a couple of plays when nobody else on 1:07:27.098 --> 1:07:30.378 defense really did you talk about what's the playing down 1:07:30.538 --> 1:07:32.138 the road? How many of these guys are still going 1:07:32.178 --> 1:07:33.898 to be here. I don't think Christian Ellis is your 1:07:33.898 --> 1:07:36.738 starting linebacker. I think you need to find somebody with 1:07:36.858 --> 1:07:38.938 a more athletic skill set to play next to Juwan 1:07:38.978 --> 1:07:41.978 Bentley as a depth guy who's also gonna play on 1:07:42.058 --> 1:07:45.498 special teams and be kind of a spark plug. I'd 1:07:45.578 --> 1:07:47.138 like to see Christian Ellis on the team next year. 1:07:47.138 --> 1:07:50.138 I think he continues to prove that he belongs and 1:07:50.498 --> 1:07:52.418 should have a role. I don't know what that role is. 1:07:52.458 --> 1:07:54.218 It's probably not as big as it is this year, 1:07:54.578 --> 1:07:56.618 but I don't think it's nothing either. Yeah. 1:07:56.698 --> 1:07:58.578 No, I think it's a great point. I actually think 1:07:58.858 --> 1:08:00.698 you know, came away from this with the same thing 1:08:00.778 --> 1:08:02.658 with Christianallis, Like, if you can get him into a 1:08:02.738 --> 1:08:06.098 specialized role, you know, a third down, passing down situation 1:08:06.658 --> 1:08:09.218 type of role. Yeah, Like, I think he could be 1:08:09.418 --> 1:08:11.458 an effective player for you down the road. He's not 1:08:11.538 --> 1:08:13.898 a first and second down linebacker in this defense. We 1:08:14.058 --> 1:08:16.617 just talked about the whole Bentley, you know, sledge hammer, 1:08:16.738 --> 1:08:20.258 that whole thing. That's not his game. But yeah, absolutely, 1:08:20.778 --> 1:08:23.617 I think that he could play in this defense in 1:08:23.778 --> 1:08:27.058 the future. All right, to the downs, yep, I have 1:08:27.178 --> 1:08:30.697 four I have it could have been probably eight under 1:08:30.778 --> 1:08:36.178 ten number one Vederian Low Vderian Low number one by 1:08:36.258 --> 1:08:42.458 far h sack, three hurries, four run stuffs he was 1:08:42.497 --> 1:08:45.777 responsible for in this game, including uh, the the third 1:08:45.858 --> 1:08:47.697 and one it was a third and one and fourth 1:08:47.777 --> 1:08:49.937 and one, whichever one it was, it was one of 1:08:49.978 --> 1:08:50.777 those was his fault. 1:08:50.978 --> 1:08:55.458 Yeah, I forget which one. I just come back to. 1:08:55.617 --> 1:08:58.537 With Viderian Low, you know he's gonna miss blocks, you 1:08:58.697 --> 1:09:01.458 know that he's gonna struggle at times because he's just 1:09:01.857 --> 1:09:06.378 limited talent wise. It really really gets off the reels 1:09:06.418 --> 1:09:08.697 for him when he's not locked in mentally, Like if 1:09:08.737 --> 1:09:13.737 he's not doing everything correctly all the time consistently, then 1:09:13.978 --> 1:09:15.258 he now he's a real problem. 1:09:15.338 --> 1:09:17.817 He doesn't really just have an okay game. No, like 1:09:17.937 --> 1:09:20.338 he either oh hey, Vaderian Low played well today, kind 1:09:20.338 --> 1:09:22.098 of played above it or like it was bad. You 1:09:22.138 --> 1:09:23.577 don't just see him sort of play alright. 1:09:23.777 --> 1:09:25.497 Yeah, So like the sack that he gave up, he 1:09:25.617 --> 1:09:27.377 just doesn't get out of his stance and gets. 1:09:27.138 --> 1:09:30.218 Blown by him with three blowbys, two of them are 1:09:30.218 --> 1:09:32.178 on ye in the game. 1:09:32.298 --> 1:09:34.258 Yeah, and then the four run stuffs was just as 1:09:34.258 --> 1:09:37.338 big of a problem in this game, I thought than 1:09:37.418 --> 1:09:38.617 the pressures too. 1:09:38.817 --> 1:09:41.737 So look they it is what it is. And you 1:09:41.857 --> 1:09:42.697 hope that next year. 1:09:42.777 --> 1:09:45.378 No, no disrespective Darien Low, but you hope next year 1:09:45.418 --> 1:09:47.817 you have a better left tackle that's starting these games. 1:09:48.458 --> 1:09:50.817 But it's he played, so he's on the list. This 1:09:50.937 --> 1:09:53.777 is why no half measures at that position. Yeah, this 1:09:53.897 --> 1:09:55.418 is why I say I had him as well. I 1:09:55.458 --> 1:09:57.577 also just go to my second also on the offensive line, 1:09:57.617 --> 1:10:00.458 Ben Brown. Yeah. I gave the take last week that 1:10:00.537 --> 1:10:02.378 I would leave Ben Brown in for the sake of 1:10:02.458 --> 1:10:05.017 continuity with Drake May You gave the same tabe something 1:10:05.258 --> 1:10:07.577 like that. Apparently a bunch of people thought that was 1:10:07.657 --> 1:10:09.817 me saying Ben Brown was an All Pro and should 1:10:09.857 --> 1:10:12.378 never be removed from the lineup. That was not the case. 1:10:12.777 --> 1:10:14.338 And look, if you can't get the ball back to 1:10:14.418 --> 1:10:19.218 the quarterback, everything else beyond there doesn't really matter. And 1:10:19.298 --> 1:10:21.298 he didn't have a great game blocking either, But I 1:10:21.378 --> 1:10:23.777 mainly look at the two bad snaps. Was good for 1:10:23.817 --> 1:10:25.338 a couple of months, but you got to get the 1:10:25.378 --> 1:10:27.338 ball back to the quarterback. Nothing else matters if you 1:10:27.378 --> 1:10:30.017 can't do that. Yeah, the dribbles back to the quarterback 1:10:30.058 --> 1:10:32.458 were tough. I mean that he was my number two 1:10:32.537 --> 1:10:35.617 down too. Those were the two snaps were tough, and 1:10:35.697 --> 1:10:37.977 they came at tough spots to like just you know, 1:10:38.737 --> 1:10:41.418 opening drive, you're trying to get going. And then another 1:10:41.497 --> 1:10:43.497 one of them I was a third down, Yeah, put 1:10:43.577 --> 1:10:45.657 him in a bat third down spot. So like you 1:10:45.697 --> 1:10:47.897 had just two big spots for them too early on 1:10:48.018 --> 1:10:50.657 in the game. And then he also allowed three hurries 1:10:50.697 --> 1:10:53.017 in this game and was probably his worst game from 1:10:53.058 --> 1:10:55.777 a blocking standpoint. In pass protection too, he had some 1:10:55.978 --> 1:10:59.977 really uncharacteristically ugly reps in pass pro in this game, 1:11:00.617 --> 1:11:03.737 including on the interception where he just gets completely whipped 1:11:04.178 --> 1:11:06.137 the line of scrimmage and that caused the whole play 1:11:06.178 --> 1:11:07.817 to kind of be late. And you know, Drake made 1:11:07.857 --> 1:11:09.897 a throw a little bit off his back foot, and 1:11:10.018 --> 1:11:12.657 like all this kind of stuff. So it was a 1:11:12.777 --> 1:11:15.418 chain reaction from the get go that the center gets 1:11:15.497 --> 1:11:17.777 beat on the pressure and then all the other things 1:11:17.857 --> 1:11:20.937 happened in CONSEQUENTI because of that, if that play to 1:11:21.058 --> 1:11:23.378 Booty hits on time when he comes out of his break, 1:11:23.458 --> 1:11:24.338 it's a nice completion. 1:11:24.577 --> 1:11:24.977 It's there. 1:11:25.817 --> 1:11:28.897 But all these types of things contribute. So Ben Brown, 1:11:29.378 --> 1:11:31.857 number two down, I mean, look, it opens the door 1:11:31.937 --> 1:11:34.497 for Cole Strange. Absolutely, I still feel like it's a 1:11:34.537 --> 1:11:36.537 little unfair to Cole Strange to put him in an 1:11:36.617 --> 1:11:41.458 NFL game at center without any training camp, preseason, any 1:11:41.577 --> 1:11:45.257 sort of real work in there at a more live setting, 1:11:45.378 --> 1:11:49.057 Like you're not really practicing live this late in the season. 1:11:49.697 --> 1:11:51.897 So I still kind of err on the side that 1:11:52.018 --> 1:11:55.577 that might be a next season project with Cole Strange. 1:11:56.218 --> 1:11:58.178 But I definitely think that you have to at least 1:11:59.218 --> 1:12:00.937 I would at least have him active for the game 1:12:01.458 --> 1:12:04.218 on Sunday. Yeap, Who's next? 1:12:04.657 --> 1:12:06.937 My third one was Alex man Peltt. We already covered that, Yeah, 1:12:07.058 --> 1:12:10.537 just they went to shell. I get that there were limitations, 1:12:10.657 --> 1:12:13.657 but unable to pick up. Like when you're when you 1:12:13.737 --> 1:12:16.057 can't get one yard on two plays and you essentially 1:12:16.138 --> 1:12:20.458 run the same play back to back, it's not good. Yeah, 1:12:20.657 --> 1:12:22.897 not good, not good? All right. So my last two 1:12:22.937 --> 1:12:26.537 are on defense. Kyle Duggart probably should have somebody from defense, 1:12:26.777 --> 1:12:28.818 I'll say the safeties. Dugger and Peppers. 1:12:28.577 --> 1:12:31.218 Yeah play so yeah, I didn't think Pepper's played well either, 1:12:31.338 --> 1:12:35.817 But Kyle Dugger again just just not good enough, you know, 1:12:35.978 --> 1:12:38.017 just lost in zone coverage. A couple of times over 1:12:38.058 --> 1:12:40.338 the middle of the field. There was a third down 1:12:40.418 --> 1:12:43.657 where they dropped out of a pressure into zone and 1:12:43.817 --> 1:12:46.657 Trey McBride just crossed in front of his face for 1:12:47.098 --> 1:12:51.977 an uncontested third down conversion was third and six, and 1:12:52.697 --> 1:12:56.338 Dugger let Trey McBride go untouched for the first seven 1:12:56.418 --> 1:12:59.737 yards of his route, and so it was just too easy. 1:13:00.617 --> 1:13:02.817 The two miss tackles, you know, in the open field, 1:13:02.857 --> 1:13:06.097 were really really rough. Obviously, he's like the last line 1:13:06.138 --> 1:13:09.258 of defense on both plays, the doors screen and then 1:13:09.338 --> 1:13:12.018 the James Connor run, and he's got a chance to 1:13:12.058 --> 1:13:15.697 at least limit the damage. And you know, talking over 1:13:15.737 --> 1:13:18.057 the years with Devin mccordy, I remember that was always 1:13:18.098 --> 1:13:20.297 the biggest thing as being the last line of defense. 1:13:20.577 --> 1:13:22.897 It's already a big game, right like, if it's getting 1:13:22.978 --> 1:13:25.017 to you, if the ball is getting to you, it's 1:13:25.058 --> 1:13:27.577 already a big gain. But at least you can make 1:13:27.617 --> 1:13:29.657 it a twenty yard game instead of a fifty three 1:13:29.737 --> 1:13:32.697 yard game right now, it really helps out your defense. 1:13:33.298 --> 1:13:36.418 So Kyle Dugger, again I would say this about Kyle Dugger. 1:13:36.458 --> 1:13:39.577 I almost didn't have him on here because something is 1:13:39.657 --> 1:13:44.298 going on with Kyle duggery ankle mental. I don't know 1:13:44.378 --> 1:13:47.817 what it is, but they have to get him right, 1:13:48.058 --> 1:13:50.937 you know what I mean. And maybe the offseason does that, 1:13:51.138 --> 1:13:53.297 you know, it's a reset and get away from football 1:13:53.338 --> 1:13:56.418 for a little bit. But Kyle duger Is just has 1:13:56.537 --> 1:13:59.817 not been good enough for weeks now. It's just every 1:13:59.857 --> 1:14:03.857 single week. Do you have anybody else? So my last 1:14:03.937 --> 1:14:08.458 one on defense was Jolanie Tovai, who, again, like do 1:14:08.577 --> 1:14:12.218 I necessarily blame him for being in these positions? Like no, 1:14:12.378 --> 1:14:14.537 it's probably more of like a roster issue or a 1:14:14.657 --> 1:14:17.737 talent issue or a coaching issue. But he's got two 1:14:17.857 --> 1:14:21.137 plays to make on third down where he makes contact 1:14:21.178 --> 1:14:23.497 with the runner with the receiver short of the line 1:14:23.577 --> 1:14:25.657 to gain and he whiffs on both of them right 1:14:25.737 --> 1:14:28.378 Like he had an opportunity early on in this game 1:14:29.018 --> 1:14:31.657 to stop James Connor on down and Connor brooke the 1:14:31.697 --> 1:14:34.537 tackle and got the first down. They just need him 1:14:34.777 --> 1:14:36.857 to be able to make those plays. You know, it's 1:14:36.937 --> 1:14:39.577 one or two plays. It's not a big deal in 1:14:39.737 --> 1:14:41.977 terms of volume in this game for Julani to vie, 1:14:42.058 --> 1:14:44.577 but I just thought those were two backbreaking third downs 1:14:45.138 --> 1:14:47.138 that that cost the defense. So I had to have 1:14:47.258 --> 1:14:50.937 some defensive guys on there. Let's open it up. And 1:14:51.298 --> 1:14:54.018 I know people have been waiting, so we appreciate it. 1:14:54.138 --> 1:14:57.737 And we got, as you can expect, Alex the entire 1:14:57.817 --> 1:15:00.977 email inboxes, draft and off season topics. 1:15:01.497 --> 1:15:02.218 So we'll get into that. 1:15:02.497 --> 1:15:06.418 And first, Bridgeton's official tire, Bridge Stone official tire, The 1:15:06.458 --> 1:15:09.258 Newngland Patriots is proud. The partner was Sullivan Tire, New 1:15:09.298 --> 1:15:13.017 England's headquarters for quality Bridgetone tires. Visit Sullivantire dot com 1:15:13.378 --> 1:15:15.537 to find a location near you. All right, let's get 1:15:15.537 --> 1:15:17.697 to the phones. Patty is an aguam. 1:15:17.777 --> 1:15:22.418 What's up? Patty? Hey? How you doing. 1:15:23.817 --> 1:15:25.977 Pretty good? Hey listen, I don't know. I don't know 1:15:25.978 --> 1:15:29.178 if you're gonna have a show next week, but if 1:15:29.218 --> 1:15:32.617 you don't, I just wanted to stay the holidays, happy hanak, gentlemen, 1:15:35.018 --> 1:15:37.178 and I wanted to throw up a couple of hYP 1:15:37.657 --> 1:15:42.497 well just one hypothetical really well. Two, First off, will 1:15:42.617 --> 1:15:45.338 Campbell if his arms measure out, I want him. I 1:15:45.338 --> 1:15:46.937 don't care where they take him take them. Three, I 1:15:46.937 --> 1:15:49.418 don't give a you know, a flying f you know. 1:15:50.537 --> 1:15:56.458 The other thing is if the other idea that I 1:15:56.577 --> 1:15:58.937 had and Alex, I know this, this kind of drives 1:15:58.978 --> 1:16:01.018 you crazy, but but hear me out. Let's say that 1:16:01.098 --> 1:16:04.977 they do thank Higgins, or they're able to trade for 1:16:05.058 --> 1:16:07.178 DK Metcalf, you know, they get we get that big 1:16:07.258 --> 1:16:13.617 Stud X receiver, would you be opposed to maybe moving 1:16:13.697 --> 1:16:16.497 down the board a little bit, taking Luther Burden, who 1:16:16.537 --> 1:16:18.737 I know both of you guys love, and taking a 1:16:18.777 --> 1:16:20.937 guy like Connorley and this are like moving up to 1:16:21.018 --> 1:16:24.018 take Connory possibly at the end of the first or 1:16:24.178 --> 1:16:27.777 second I kind of I think, like Paulus said, I 1:16:27.857 --> 1:16:29.418 don't know if either of you guys have said this, 1:16:29.657 --> 1:16:32.737 but like I think we need two wide receivers, and 1:16:32.817 --> 1:16:34.817 I think we need two studs. And I think if 1:16:34.897 --> 1:16:37.258 we get that big X, you know that outside X 1:16:37.338 --> 1:16:39.697 and Evan you know I said this on PU today. 1:16:40.458 --> 1:16:42.338 I'm not really a believer in to Mario. I think 1:16:42.378 --> 1:16:45.218 we need something better in that slat and I would 1:16:45.258 --> 1:16:47.258 love to you know, we just we kind of need 1:16:47.298 --> 1:16:50.378 an overhaul at at those first two wide receiver positions, 1:16:50.378 --> 1:16:51.697 and I want to get your guys thoughts on that. 1:16:51.737 --> 1:16:52.537 I'll take it out there. 1:16:52.978 --> 1:16:54.258 Thanks, Patty, appreciate it. 1:16:54.458 --> 1:16:54.817 So I. 1:16:56.418 --> 1:16:59.258 I guess I agree to an extent with what he's 1:16:59.258 --> 1:17:03.298 saying about Pop Douglas, Like, Pop Douglas cannot be your 1:17:03.378 --> 1:17:06.578 number one receiver, right right, He probably can't be necessarily 1:17:06.617 --> 1:17:09.577 even your number two receiver on a good team, But 1:17:09.857 --> 1:17:14.097 he is a very useful slot and gadget player. 1:17:14.218 --> 1:17:17.058 If I have T Higgins and Luther Burden getting more 1:17:17.098 --> 1:17:19.298 attention coverage, suddenly Pop Douglas going to look like a 1:17:19.378 --> 1:17:21.697 much better player. Yeah, Like, I don't think that. 1:17:22.378 --> 1:17:24.617 I believe that there's a role for Pop Douglas as 1:17:24.657 --> 1:17:26.617 like a top three receiver in an offense if you 1:17:26.697 --> 1:17:28.897 build the room correctly. 1:17:29.258 --> 1:17:29.418 Right. 1:17:29.577 --> 1:17:33.817 So, look, I love loser Burden. I see where he's 1:17:33.857 --> 1:17:36.697 coming from. That Higgins and Burden together coming here. That 1:17:36.897 --> 1:17:38.378 pairing makes a lot of sense. 1:17:39.258 --> 1:17:39.817 I'm for it. 1:17:40.697 --> 1:17:42.817 I still am weary of the fact that you're not 1:17:42.978 --> 1:17:46.617 drafting a tackle probably until the thirties, maybe the twenties, 1:17:46.777 --> 1:17:48.977 like that, if you trade back in, I think we're 1:17:49.018 --> 1:17:51.098 both a little bit concerned about so doing that. 1:17:51.218 --> 1:17:53.257 But if you get the right guy, I know Patty's 1:17:53.298 --> 1:17:55.338 talking about it. You know that take annoys me. It's 1:17:55.418 --> 1:17:58.098 more than Josh Simmons. Think nothing against him personally, but 1:17:59.577 --> 1:18:02.537 not the guy coming off a significant knee injury, Like, 1:18:02.737 --> 1:18:07.218 that's specifically what bothers me. If they really like Arianta 1:18:07.378 --> 1:18:10.057 Rasii or they really like Josh Connery, who are probably 1:18:10.098 --> 1:18:12.937 gonna go at the highest in the mid twenties, right, 1:18:14.338 --> 1:18:17.857 and you swing that, I could be sold on that, Like, okay, 1:18:18.058 --> 1:18:20.177 that that makes some sense. You've got to really believe 1:18:20.657 --> 1:18:23.097 that either of those guys can be a Day one starter, 1:18:23.857 --> 1:18:26.618 but you could swing me on that. It's what specifically 1:18:26.657 --> 1:18:29.897 bugs me is either Josh Simmons or when you start 1:18:29.937 --> 1:18:33.418 talking about like Cameron Williams or Emery Jones, because those 1:18:33.458 --> 1:18:35.657 guys are right tackles, and I know that there's been 1:18:35.737 --> 1:18:38.218 some success moving guys from side to side this year, 1:18:38.298 --> 1:18:41.458 but it's another if that you have to deal with. 1:18:42.018 --> 1:18:44.378 Can you just draft a player that's a good player 1:18:44.418 --> 1:18:46.817 at that position, that is ready to play that position, 1:18:47.098 --> 1:18:49.458 not that has to rehab, not that has to learn 1:18:49.497 --> 1:18:51.737 a new position. Just a guy that is a left 1:18:51.777 --> 1:18:54.257 tackle that you believe can be a good left tackle, period, 1:18:54.338 --> 1:18:57.058 full stop. No position changes, no injuries, no, none of that. 1:18:57.458 --> 1:18:59.298 That's the hold up. If you want to sell me 1:18:59.378 --> 1:19:02.177 on the best path as T Higgins or DK Metcalf 1:19:02.258 --> 1:19:04.338 the outside X and then we're gonna move down to 1:19:04.418 --> 1:19:06.497 get Burden and use part of what we got moving 1:19:06.537 --> 1:19:09.097 down to move back up to get Erstrie or Connory. 1:19:10.098 --> 1:19:12.418 I don't know that it's what I would do, but 1:19:12.537 --> 1:19:14.497 i'd give a good grade for that. I would say 1:19:14.537 --> 1:19:18.218 that that's a pretty solid haul for it's a pretty 1:19:18.497 --> 1:19:20.137 I would say the positions are addressed. 1:19:20.418 --> 1:19:23.937 Yeah, I love the idea in theory, and I agree 1:19:23.978 --> 1:19:27.418 that I would agree that it would be addressed right 1:19:27.497 --> 1:19:29.458 like they would. I feel like they would have attacked 1:19:29.458 --> 1:19:31.697 it if that's what they are I have done. I 1:19:31.817 --> 1:19:33.737 do think it's a little bit fantasy football. And I 1:19:33.777 --> 1:19:35.497 don't mean to pick on Patty, but it's just like 1:19:37.378 --> 1:19:40.817 that's a really difficult like Adam to split right, Like, Yeah, 1:19:41.018 --> 1:19:43.418 you've got to really wail that. 1:19:43.697 --> 1:19:46.697 You gotta really want to say this too. And I 1:19:46.777 --> 1:19:48.218 know nobody wants to hear this. Hate to be the 1:19:48.258 --> 1:19:50.577 bear of bad news. I won't get my hopes of 1:19:50.617 --> 1:19:52.817 POLTYE Higgins fam a Patriots fan. Did you see what 1:19:52.897 --> 1:19:54.817 he did in terms of his agency? Yeah, I did. 1:19:55.418 --> 1:19:59.418 He jamar chase his agent. I understand that's a pretty 1:19:59.418 --> 1:20:03.418 clear message, but I'm still I'm still not totally sold. 1:20:03.458 --> 1:20:04.737 That he doesn't hit free agency. 1:20:04.817 --> 1:20:05.657 I know you had. 1:20:05.777 --> 1:20:07.857 You know, Taylor Kyles and I have gone back and 1:20:07.937 --> 1:20:10.537 forth off the air about this a lot. I just 1:20:11.617 --> 1:20:14.418 for him to not hit free agency now after everything 1:20:14.458 --> 1:20:19.177 that's happened in Cincinnati. He's gonna make so much money 1:20:19.537 --> 1:20:22.897 on the open market. Yeah, but they would really have 1:20:23.058 --> 1:20:24.577 to blow him out of the water because like at 1:20:24.617 --> 1:20:27.458 this point, he's he's months away from being a free agent. 1:20:27.857 --> 1:20:29.977 You know, like it'd be different if he was still 1:20:30.058 --> 1:20:32.657 under team control for like another year or something like that. 1:20:33.338 --> 1:20:35.817 But at this point, like you've made it this far. 1:20:36.298 --> 1:20:38.977 So unless they come at you with like thirty plus 1:20:39.138 --> 1:20:42.777 million a year, and then I just I still think 1:20:42.817 --> 1:20:43.537 he goes to market. 1:20:43.697 --> 1:20:46.378 Joe Joe Burrow says what he says after that game. 1:20:46.418 --> 1:20:48.937 Well, they're clear the Burrow and and a little bit 1:20:49.058 --> 1:20:51.258 Chase too, are clearly lobbying to keep them like that 1:20:51.497 --> 1:20:52.338 that I think. 1:20:52.298 --> 1:20:55.258 That the Bengals would be I wouldn't piss those guys 1:20:55.298 --> 1:20:57.098 off from the Bengals, I'd be But if were the 1:20:57.138 --> 1:20:58.217 bengalsose guys. 1:20:58.138 --> 1:21:01.338 If you're the Bengals and you you obviously you know, 1:21:01.458 --> 1:21:04.258 extend Jamar Chase and get that done. Like, aren't you 1:21:04.338 --> 1:21:07.178 one of those teams if you're Cincinnati, where like you 1:21:07.258 --> 1:21:10.137 could probably draft a receiver that has a similar skill 1:21:10.218 --> 1:21:14.937 set and you're good enough offensively with those two guys that, like, 1:21:15.018 --> 1:21:16.098 it's not the Patriots that. 1:21:16.098 --> 1:21:20.258 Also their needs are on defense. That's if you pay those. 1:21:20.537 --> 1:21:22.857 If you get that, you know the offense is set, 1:21:22.897 --> 1:21:24.537 like the offensive line. They just used the first round 1:21:24.577 --> 1:21:26.977 pick on a tackle. Right, it's okay, we're gonna pay 1:21:27.018 --> 1:21:29.777 t Higgins and Padro mar Chase. Maybe you don't have 1:21:29.817 --> 1:21:31.817 a lot of money left, but all the money you 1:21:31.897 --> 1:21:37.418 have left and all of your draft resources now are defense. Defense. Defense. Right, 1:21:37.577 --> 1:21:39.697 You're gonna get maybe not Abdua Carter, they're not gonna 1:21:39.737 --> 1:21:42.338 pick that high, but you get maybe like a James 1:21:42.458 --> 1:21:45.378 Pierce right or a Chiha Campbell in the first round. 1:21:45.657 --> 1:21:47.937 You get that edge rusher you go, you get one 1:21:47.978 --> 1:21:50.458 of or they probably go corner first because it's not 1:21:50.537 --> 1:21:52.418 a good corner draft, and you get one of those 1:21:52.497 --> 1:21:54.298 day two edge guys, one of the Ohio state guys. 1:21:54.338 --> 1:21:56.577 You keep them in state. Right, you can address it's 1:21:56.617 --> 1:22:00.338 a it's a good linebacker draft, like you can this offseason. 1:22:00.458 --> 1:22:02.577 You can attack defense without spending a lot of for 1:22:02.617 --> 1:22:04.817 any team, you can attack defense without spending a lot 1:22:04.897 --> 1:22:07.497 of money. So that's what they need to attack. They 1:22:07.577 --> 1:22:10.897 can pay T Higgins and still think do what they 1:22:10.978 --> 1:22:12.017 need to do this offseason. 1:22:12.138 --> 1:22:13.937 Yeah, it's a good point. I just think it's two 1:22:13.978 --> 1:22:14.537 full of the bank. 1:22:14.617 --> 1:22:16.777 We call Tracks and ask him, Yeah, right, tell Trags 1:22:16.817 --> 1:22:18.338 call in, give us the Bengals offseason plan. 1:22:18.657 --> 1:22:20.737 It's two full to me with T Higgins still, though, 1:22:21.138 --> 1:22:24.577 one is you have to at least account for the 1:22:24.657 --> 1:22:27.097 Bengals of it all. Yeah, And the fact that it's 1:22:27.098 --> 1:22:29.977 a smaller market team and now they're about to give 1:22:30.058 --> 1:22:32.817 out what like a billion dollars in contracts to like 1:22:32.937 --> 1:22:35.178 three guys. Essentially it's gonna be less than that, but 1:22:35.298 --> 1:22:38.218 like I'm exaggerating a little bit. So you have to 1:22:38.298 --> 1:22:41.657 think about, Okay, we're you know, we're the Cincinnati Bengals, 1:22:42.018 --> 1:22:44.217 and we're like about to give out five hundred million 1:22:44.258 --> 1:22:46.857 dollars in contracts to three guys, right. 1:22:46.857 --> 1:22:51.178 And that that's matters, Like Toy, it does matter. I'm 1:22:51.178 --> 1:22:55.537 gonna own the franchise, right, How many guys are they paying? 1:22:55.617 --> 1:22:57.418 They don't have a ton of big contracts coming after that. 1:22:57.458 --> 1:22:59.178 It's gonna be a few years. You look at their 1:22:59.258 --> 1:23:02.458 drafts the last few years, there aren't. I mean, there's 1:23:02.497 --> 1:23:06.378 some decent players, but Okay, even if form Marius Mims, 1:23:06.378 --> 1:23:08.378 who was tackling drafted last year, if he picks out, 1:23:08.897 --> 1:23:11.857 you're not giving that contract for another five years. If 1:23:11.897 --> 1:23:15.338 you take the first year option. By then you're not 1:23:15.458 --> 1:23:18.178 signing Chase and Higgins the five year deals. Right, those 1:23:18.218 --> 1:23:20.937 guys are off the pall in. Chase is gonna get Chase, 1:23:21.258 --> 1:23:22.777 but not both of them. Chase is gonna get thirty 1:23:22.817 --> 1:23:25.577 five million a year, right, But I'm saying they don't 1:23:25.817 --> 1:23:29.617 really have burs paid. It's those two guys. A lot 1:23:29.697 --> 1:23:32.178 of the rest of theirs is either transactional or just 1:23:32.298 --> 1:23:34.138 really young and not doing for new contract for the 1:23:34.138 --> 1:23:34.657 next few years. 1:23:34.697 --> 1:23:36.378 All I'm saying is is I just know that that 1:23:36.537 --> 1:23:39.937 team is not it's not the Dallas Cowboys there. 1:23:39.978 --> 1:23:43.577 Well, the Cowboys are too. They're not printing money, is 1:23:43.617 --> 1:23:46.817 my point over there? You don't really have a Los 1:23:46.857 --> 1:23:48.378 Angeles Dodgers in the Uh. 1:23:48.937 --> 1:23:51.257 The other thing I would say about this with the Bengals, 1:23:52.298 --> 1:23:54.937 I do think that there's an argument and maybe I 1:23:55.058 --> 1:23:56.897 would be dead wrong and it would set them back, 1:23:56.978 --> 1:23:59.058 and we could you know, I would allow for that 1:23:59.178 --> 1:24:00.737 to be right. But I do think that there's an 1:24:00.857 --> 1:24:05.697 argument that they have the infrastructure to just keep on 1:24:05.978 --> 1:24:08.697 doing what they always do in Cincinnati, which is just 1:24:08.817 --> 1:24:12.298 draft and develop, right, and so like is there I 1:24:12.697 --> 1:24:13.497 just I don't. 1:24:13.298 --> 1:24:16.338 Know if they're not going to agitate Joe Burrow, I guess. 1:24:16.458 --> 1:24:18.298 But like if you draft Joe Burrow, if you pay 1:24:18.418 --> 1:24:21.418 Jamar Chase and you draft Joe Burrow like a day 1:24:21.497 --> 1:24:24.418 two wide receiver that's in the similar mold as too, you're. 1:24:24.258 --> 1:24:25.298 Talking about letting them both go. 1:24:25.817 --> 1:24:28.897 No, no, no, absolutely not if you're signing Jamar Chase 1:24:29.258 --> 1:24:33.097 and you're drafting a Day two receiver that you feel like, hey, 1:24:33.378 --> 1:24:35.577 they I mean, Jamar Chase didn't really need development. So 1:24:35.577 --> 1:24:37.218 I'm not gonna give them too much credit for that one. 1:24:37.458 --> 1:24:41.057 But like they seem like a team that Yoshiva's t Higgins, 1:24:41.138 --> 1:24:42.497 Like these guys are making plays. 1:24:42.777 --> 1:24:46.338 Yeah, you're kind of pitching aj Brown trailing Burks right 1:24:46.338 --> 1:24:49.298 now a little bit really because you have Chase. They 1:24:49.378 --> 1:24:51.977 didn't have another guy. But you're you're kind of taking 1:24:52.018 --> 1:24:52.778 the mystery. 1:24:52.497 --> 1:24:56.258 Blocks, Okay, but you're you're pitching that with Joe Burrow 1:24:56.298 --> 1:25:00.138 and Jamar Chase. You're not picking that with Ryan Tannehill, right, Like, 1:25:00.978 --> 1:25:04.458 It's a different infrastructure. And I just think that good 1:25:04.577 --> 1:25:07.977 teams tend to spread the money around, right, you know, 1:25:08.138 --> 1:25:10.178 and like tend to take like more of like the 1:25:10.258 --> 1:25:13.497 Kansas City approach, where we have the quarterback that's gonna 1:25:13.497 --> 1:25:17.458 make everybody better. So that's just my argument that the 1:25:17.537 --> 1:25:20.057 Bengals might not blow t Higgins out of the water 1:25:20.657 --> 1:25:23.257 with the contract offer that makes it so he doesn't 1:25:23.258 --> 1:25:25.258 go to market. Well, I just think the messaging out 1:25:25.298 --> 1:25:27.577 of there right now is pretty strong. I agree, but 1:25:27.697 --> 1:25:30.097 I'm not closing the door. All right, all right, Reggie 1:25:30.178 --> 1:25:31.657 is in Peabody. What's up, Reggie? 1:25:33.777 --> 1:25:38.458 Hey, guys, I'm just I'm curious. I understand all the 1:25:38.497 --> 1:25:42.097 conversation about the rosters, talent and everything like that. I'm 1:25:42.218 --> 1:25:45.018 just thinking back on twenty twenty, when, you know, with 1:25:45.218 --> 1:25:48.298 the Cam Newton year, when we won seven games, which 1:25:48.378 --> 1:25:50.338 might end up being the amount of games we've probably 1:25:50.458 --> 1:25:53.458 went over the last two years. I'm curious how you 1:25:53.577 --> 1:25:58.178 see from a you know, from each position group, how 1:25:58.298 --> 1:26:01.577 this this roster today compared to the twenty twenty I 1:26:01.657 --> 1:26:04.537 remember excuse me. That was the year we had Nikio, 1:26:04.617 --> 1:26:07.378 Harry de mere Bird, a young Jacobi Meyers. I'd say 1:26:07.458 --> 1:26:09.777 our wide receivers were better, are better now. 1:26:10.897 --> 1:26:13.218 Than they were then. Our offensive line, I mean we 1:26:13.298 --> 1:26:17.218 had Joe Toney that year, Justin Haran Isaiah Win, which 1:26:17.258 --> 1:26:21.097 was an issue at left tackle. I mean Dalton Kincaid 1:26:21.258 --> 1:26:26.857 and and and Devin Asiassi. I'd say our tight ends 1:26:26.897 --> 1:26:29.217 are much better now. I'm curious to see, like, position 1:26:29.338 --> 1:26:31.937 group I, position group, you feel this roster today from 1:26:31.978 --> 1:26:33.537 here to how we did it in twenty twenty. 1:26:33.697 --> 1:26:34.218 Thank you guys. 1:26:34.657 --> 1:26:37.298 Thanks Gregy, Dalton Keene, I think is what he meant there. 1:26:38.857 --> 1:26:40.617 It's tough because they had all the opt outs in 1:26:40.697 --> 1:26:41.218 twenty twenty. 1:26:41.338 --> 1:26:46.537 Twenty twenty might is one of Belichick's finest works, just 1:26:46.617 --> 1:26:49.817 getting that team to seven wins. I also think it's 1:26:49.897 --> 1:26:52.137 tough to use that year as a comparison for anything 1:26:52.497 --> 1:26:55.258 because there were so many added variables, and I think 1:26:55.338 --> 1:27:00.777 just Belichick's experience and his ability to create a routine 1:27:00.978 --> 1:27:04.697 in a pattern like factor in a year where so 1:27:04.857 --> 1:27:11.017 much was weird. Yeah, the militaristic approach played so well. Yeah, 1:27:11.218 --> 1:27:12.657 not that I don't not that I think it ever 1:27:12.697 --> 1:27:17.057 played poorly, but twenty twenty is kind of its own 1:27:17.178 --> 1:27:20.258 thing because of all the external I know the question 1:27:20.418 --> 1:27:22.338 about the roster talent, but I'm with you, we can 1:27:22.418 --> 1:27:25.777 do the exertion. Brian Hoyer, Cam Newton, Jared Stidham, First, 1:27:25.937 --> 1:27:28.097 Drake Madjeor, Kobe Brissett, Joe Milton. 1:27:28.178 --> 1:27:30.378 Well, it's definitely, you know, Drake is definitely the best 1:27:30.537 --> 1:27:32.977 quarterback out of that group from where Cam was at 1:27:33.018 --> 1:27:36.298 that point of his career. But I just think the 1:27:36.338 --> 1:27:38.298 biggest thing to me when I look at that team 1:27:39.537 --> 1:27:43.338 is that offensively, that team had an identity right like 1:27:43.418 --> 1:27:46.178 that that team could run the ball. Yeah, they could 1:27:46.258 --> 1:27:48.897 run the football, and they used the quarterback and they 1:27:48.937 --> 1:27:51.338 could really run the ball. And to mcdaniels's credit, he 1:27:52.018 --> 1:27:55.338 designed an offense around Cam Newton on the fly, which 1:27:55.378 --> 1:27:58.338 I thought was really impressive, and they had a really 1:27:58.458 --> 1:28:00.138 I know, you know, he brings up Isaiah Win and 1:28:00.218 --> 1:28:03.577 stuff like that, But that line, especially on the interior, 1:28:03.777 --> 1:28:06.737 was Tony Andrews Mason. Like that was a really really 1:28:06.897 --> 1:28:09.817 solid offensive line in the middle of that group, and 1:28:10.058 --> 1:28:12.458 they were able to run the football all basically all 1:28:12.537 --> 1:28:15.817 season long, even when Cam started to decay as a thrower. 1:28:16.338 --> 1:28:19.138 They were still able to run the ball. So as 1:28:19.218 --> 1:28:21.577 much as I would say that, you could probably say 1:28:21.657 --> 1:28:23.617 that the talent might be a little bit better in 1:28:23.697 --> 1:28:25.777 some spots this year than it was in twenty twenty. 1:28:26.298 --> 1:28:29.338 That twenty twenty team was playing together in a lot 1:28:29.378 --> 1:28:31.497 of ways, you know, and they they had identities on 1:28:31.577 --> 1:28:34.178 both sides of the football that this team doesn't have. 1:28:34.458 --> 1:28:36.937 So I don't know, you know, I probably would say 1:28:36.978 --> 1:28:39.537 the twenty twenty team was was was better because they 1:28:39.657 --> 1:28:41.977 were better, Like, they won more games, right, Like, they 1:28:42.298 --> 1:28:44.817 they were more competitive, even if like we could sit 1:28:44.897 --> 1:28:47.258 here and say Hunter Henry is a better tight end 1:28:47.338 --> 1:28:50.418 than Devin Ossi Ossi. And was it Ben Watson right, 1:28:50.458 --> 1:28:51.857 the corpse of Ben Watson? 1:28:51.937 --> 1:28:53.298 Oh, it was. It was the rookies, it was. 1:28:53.937 --> 1:28:55.338 It wasn't Ben Watson on that team. 1:28:55.458 --> 1:28:57.897 No, he didn't come back until I think the next year. 1:28:57.937 --> 1:28:59.697 I thought he came back in twenty he came back. No, 1:28:59.777 --> 1:29:01.378 because I remember talking to the locker room. We weren't 1:29:01.378 --> 1:29:02.657 in the locker room that year. He might not have 1:29:02.697 --> 1:29:05.097 been back. No, he was back the year before because 1:29:05.138 --> 1:29:07.977 he came back with Brady. So did he come back 1:29:07.978 --> 1:29:10.017 the year he came back nineteen Yeah, yeah, when when 1:29:10.098 --> 1:29:12.537 Gronk retired late, they brought him back. Okay, I got 1:29:12.577 --> 1:29:15.258 my years mixed up, but yeah, I look, I don't 1:29:15.258 --> 1:29:16.817 know how you can sit here and say that the 1:29:16.897 --> 1:29:19.218 twenty twenty team was worse when they won three more games, 1:29:19.298 --> 1:29:22.217 four more games than this feam is going to Brad 1:29:22.458 --> 1:29:23.977 Is in Ohio. What's up, Brad? 1:29:25.817 --> 1:29:32.418 OHI Gods good, Mary Christmas is so yeah, well. 1:29:33.697 --> 1:29:34.018 Thank you. 1:29:34.657 --> 1:29:38.818 I just wanted to make a couple observations and suggestions 1:29:38.857 --> 1:29:42.537 and see you guys take on these. So we know 1:29:42.737 --> 1:29:45.018 that we haven't been able to run the ball. And 1:29:45.338 --> 1:29:47.737 I know I've asked you this before, Evan, I think 1:29:47.857 --> 1:29:50.857 both of you. We haven't been able to run the 1:29:50.937 --> 1:29:55.418 ball continually throughout this whole year. We can't even get 1:29:55.458 --> 1:30:00.298 a yard when we need to. And how were we 1:30:00.777 --> 1:30:04.458 last year in regards to where we're ranked now in 1:30:04.617 --> 1:30:07.418 regards in regards to that same type of running when 1:30:07.897 --> 1:30:11.977 City Style actually played on the team and actually was 1:30:12.098 --> 1:30:15.737 on the line, not lined up as a fullback. Which 1:30:15.937 --> 1:30:19.617 leads me to say we should draft in Breteston of 1:30:19.777 --> 1:30:22.977 Michigan if that's what we need, a player like that. 1:30:24.537 --> 1:30:27.937 But can you can you correlate that for me? Evan 1:30:28.058 --> 1:30:32.258 and two of you kind of give me where we're 1:30:32.298 --> 1:30:35.857 at now compared to where we was when City fell. 1:30:35.937 --> 1:30:38.497 I knew could block and get a yard at the 1:30:38.577 --> 1:30:41.737 goal line. He's flattened Cameron Hayward and now he can't 1:30:41.777 --> 1:30:42.378 block at all. 1:30:42.537 --> 1:30:48.298 I'm confused. So and then I know McCary page from 1:30:48.537 --> 1:30:53.098 a free stafety of Michigan Coaston Ludlin a tight end. 1:30:54.098 --> 1:30:57.138 The tight end from Penn State and the tight end 1:30:57.178 --> 1:31:02.897 from Bowling Green are players that I think are really 1:31:03.058 --> 1:31:05.777 going to be a better bit or a better player 1:31:05.857 --> 1:31:06.617 than the wide. 1:31:06.418 --> 1:31:09.657 Receivers that are available in the draft. And they're like 1:31:09.857 --> 1:31:12.178 second round picks, I think. So what do you think 1:31:12.218 --> 1:31:15.497 about that too, in regards to a tight end, the 1:31:15.657 --> 1:31:19.257 young tight end to fit in with Drake for the future. 1:31:19.657 --> 1:31:22.097 So thank you, thanks Brad, thanks for the call. 1:31:22.258 --> 1:31:25.178 So to the first point about the full back and 1:31:25.298 --> 1:31:26.777 like all that kind of stuff, I didn't really get 1:31:26.817 --> 1:31:28.497 what he was saying about City, So I guess just 1:31:28.617 --> 1:31:28.857 just that. 1:31:29.178 --> 1:31:31.057 They were able to run the all the said. He's 1:31:31.058 --> 1:31:33.017 sow in the lineup last year, I think, and now 1:31:33.058 --> 1:31:35.178 he's not in the lineup, So would putting him and 1:31:35.218 --> 1:31:37.897 help them run the ball. Got it so think I. 1:31:37.897 --> 1:31:40.138 Would say that they have struggled to run the ball 1:31:40.218 --> 1:31:42.458 for three years now, like going back to twenty twenty 1:31:42.537 --> 1:31:46.497 two with Matt Patricia. Their last really good run year 1:31:47.098 --> 1:31:51.777 in my mind was twenty one with McDaniels. Now, there's 1:31:51.777 --> 1:31:55.378 an argument to be made there about full backs, right, 1:31:55.497 --> 1:31:57.897 like McDaniel's used the full back as we all know, 1:31:58.258 --> 1:31:58.937 and they don't. 1:31:58.817 --> 1:31:59.617 Use a full back now. 1:31:59.697 --> 1:32:02.858 They really pivoted away from the full back in Patricia's 1:32:02.937 --> 1:32:06.737 year in twenty two. But McDaniel's also just a really 1:32:06.777 --> 1:32:10.817 good run game coordinator, always has been, was really good 1:32:10.857 --> 1:32:12.737 in Vegas, like that was the one thing with Josh 1:32:12.817 --> 1:32:15.178 Jacobs that they were actually good at on offense and 1:32:15.338 --> 1:32:18.937 Vegas was running the football. Josh Jacobs won the rushing title, 1:32:19.018 --> 1:32:23.298 right McDaniels first season as the coach Chare So I 1:32:23.378 --> 1:32:25.218 give a lot of that credit to McDaniels. I think 1:32:25.218 --> 1:32:27.418 he's a really good schemer in the run game and 1:32:27.537 --> 1:32:28.537 does a nice job there. 1:32:28.857 --> 1:32:30.298 Yeah, twenty twenty two rushing leader. 1:32:30.857 --> 1:32:33.977 The City SO thing is interesting. I would say the 1:32:34.058 --> 1:32:37.378 City So thing is interesting because it doesn't feel like 1:32:38.218 --> 1:32:42.378 this regime identifies with City, so as their draft pick 1:32:42.857 --> 1:32:46.897 and Scott Peters wasn't here, Alex Van Pelt wasn't here, 1:32:47.697 --> 1:32:50.218 it definitely feels like they are trying to make their 1:32:50.298 --> 1:32:54.897 guy work in Leiden Robinson instead, and for better or worse, right, Like, 1:32:55.098 --> 1:32:57.617 I don't have the answer to that question. I think 1:32:57.657 --> 1:33:01.218 they're both similar players. Frankly, I think that they're both 1:33:01.338 --> 1:33:04.937 physical downhill blockers. I think they both struggle in pass protection, 1:33:05.058 --> 1:33:07.378 and I think they're both decent at moving the line 1:33:07.378 --> 1:33:10.458 of scrimmage in the run game. So the fact that 1:33:10.537 --> 1:33:12.897 they like Leyden Robinson a little bit more than City, 1:33:12.978 --> 1:33:16.298 so I think it's kind of a coin toss. Like, 1:33:16.577 --> 1:33:18.497 I think it's kind of, you know, a picker flavor. 1:33:18.617 --> 1:33:20.298 By the way, Trags years must have been burning. He 1:33:20.378 --> 1:33:22.897 just tweeted this out just now, this quote from Jamar Chase. 1:33:23.697 --> 1:33:26.298 I just talking about Rocky Arsenow, the agent. 1:33:26.537 --> 1:33:26.737 Yeah. 1:33:26.817 --> 1:33:29.057 I just told him we're stuck together for life. Now 1:33:29.218 --> 1:33:32.338 we're locked in for life. Now there's a possible chance 1:33:33.138 --> 1:33:36.138 both of a sign with the Bengals long term possible. Well, 1:33:36.777 --> 1:33:38.898 I asked Trags. Trags thinks it's happening. 1:33:38.737 --> 1:33:42.057 Okay, Well, Trags know better than me. I'm just if 1:33:42.098 --> 1:33:44.378 I'm t Higgins, I'm going to market. That's all I'm saying. 1:33:44.418 --> 1:33:46.617 Well, both both can be true, both can be true. 1:33:47.937 --> 1:33:49.777 The second point, what was the second point? 1:33:49.817 --> 1:33:51.418 And I forgot he just listed a bunch of guys 1:33:51.458 --> 1:33:51.937 in the draft. 1:33:52.418 --> 1:33:55.058 Oh yeah, the whole tight end thing. We've talked a 1:33:55.098 --> 1:33:56.977 little bit about the tight end thing, like I think 1:33:57.018 --> 1:33:59.378 it could have. I think Drake likes throwing a tight ends. 1:33:59.418 --> 1:34:00.137 I think that's clear. 1:34:00.817 --> 1:34:02.617 You want to get the pipeline ready. You want the 1:34:02.737 --> 1:34:05.098 next guy Hunter. Henry's gonna have two years left on 1:34:05.138 --> 1:34:07.897 his deal. It's really one concrete year. He's older now. 1:34:08.178 --> 1:34:10.217 You want to get and tight ends generally take longer 1:34:10.258 --> 1:34:13.097 to develop than the average position. I'm all for getting 1:34:13.098 --> 1:34:15.897 the next guy in the building and getting going. And 1:34:16.298 --> 1:34:18.697 you know he replaces Austin Hooper is your second tight 1:34:18.817 --> 1:34:20.418 end next year, and then the year two he takes over, 1:34:20.857 --> 1:34:23.138 Loveland and Warren are going to be first round picks. Yeah. 1:34:23.218 --> 1:34:27.617 I would not invest that heavily in that position, especially 1:34:27.697 --> 1:34:31.697 with how deep this draft is. At tight end, you're 1:34:31.737 --> 1:34:33.418 gonna get a ton of good project players. So we 1:34:33.497 --> 1:34:36.537 mentioned Harold Fannin from Bowling Green Yeah, he's gonna be 1:34:36.537 --> 1:34:39.577 an interesting one because he's the first consensus or he's 1:34:39.617 --> 1:34:41.977 the first All American in the history of bowling Green. 1:34:42.338 --> 1:34:44.458 But he's coming from the MAC. You got to evaluate 1:34:44.577 --> 1:34:47.817 that thing. I like Mason Taylor from LSU. I like 1:34:47.897 --> 1:34:51.418 Gunner Helm from Texas. Bunch of Day three guys. Mitchell 1:34:51.458 --> 1:34:53.298 Evans is my player to watch for Notre Dame in 1:34:53.378 --> 1:34:55.977 the college football playoff. Yeah, he's old school. You want 1:34:56.058 --> 1:34:59.177 like an old school tight end who is big, blocks 1:34:59.218 --> 1:35:02.497 his ass off, wins with physicality at the short and intermediate. 1:35:03.218 --> 1:35:06.498 That's Mitchell Evans. We'll see you know, Oscar del Terrence Ferguson. 1:35:08.098 --> 1:35:09.977 There's a bunch of there's a bunch of tight ends 1:35:10.018 --> 1:35:13.097 in this draft, like they'll they'll find somebody. Colston Lovin's 1:35:13.098 --> 1:35:15.617 a good player, Tyler Warren's a good player. I don't 1:35:15.617 --> 1:35:16.977 think they need to use a first round pick on 1:35:17.058 --> 1:35:17.737 a tight end right now. 1:35:17.937 --> 1:35:23.057 Yeah, it's it's definitely something that I don't necessarily see 1:35:23.098 --> 1:35:25.458 as like a pressing enough need to use a first 1:35:25.577 --> 1:35:27.298 round pick, Like if they were getting a guy that 1:35:27.378 --> 1:35:29.497 they thought was gonna truly be like the number one 1:35:29.577 --> 1:35:31.897 weapon in their offense. It's like a Travis Kelce Rob 1:35:31.937 --> 1:35:34.857 Gronkowski like level tight end, then that would be a 1:35:34.897 --> 1:35:38.097 different story. I don't maybe Warren, Like I think Jacob 1:35:38.098 --> 1:35:40.137 Warren is really talented Tyler. 1:35:40.737 --> 1:35:42.577 Why do they think Jacob because he was a tight 1:35:42.697 --> 1:35:45.657 end here for like a minute, Jacob Warren. Yeah, he 1:35:45.897 --> 1:35:48.378 was out of Tennessee. He was the Tennessee guy that 1:35:48.497 --> 1:35:49.737 came with the Bay. 1:35:51.657 --> 1:35:56.458 I had a reason Tyler Warren. I could see maybe 1:35:56.577 --> 1:36:00.857 him being like uh in that upper echellent you know. Like, 1:36:01.338 --> 1:36:02.817 I guess what I'm getting at is like, if there's 1:36:02.817 --> 1:36:05.497 a Rock Bowers in this draft, then I maybe would 1:36:05.537 --> 1:36:07.497 think a little bit differently because now you're thinking, Okay, 1:36:07.537 --> 1:36:09.298 we're gonna build the offense. 1:36:08.978 --> 1:36:11.258 Around this guy. I don't know that Tyler Warren is 1:36:11.298 --> 1:36:13.418 that guy. I don't think so either. And even if 1:36:13.458 --> 1:36:16.937 he is, like so, I guess the counter would be 1:36:17.058 --> 1:36:19.097 we talked about it earlier, right, do you trade down 1:36:19.577 --> 1:36:25.177 and then trade up and receiver tackle? If enough teams 1:36:25.218 --> 1:36:27.138 are scared off by Will Campbell but you believe he's 1:36:27.178 --> 1:36:29.977 a tackle, do you trade down slightly, move back up 1:36:30.018 --> 1:36:33.577 and take time Warren instead of maybe Meg Buca like 1:36:33.617 --> 1:36:36.537 a receiver late first round pass Catcher. Yeah, it's possible. 1:36:36.897 --> 1:36:38.497 I could hear it, and that would probably be how 1:36:38.537 --> 1:36:40.497 that would have to happen. Like I said, I Drake 1:36:40.577 --> 1:36:41.777 definitely likes throwing a tight end. 1:36:41.897 --> 1:36:43.857 Yeah. No, I want them to draft a tight end 1:36:43.897 --> 1:36:45.338 with the upside. I want them to get a guy 1:36:45.378 --> 1:36:47.218 in the building. But when you look at some of 1:36:47.258 --> 1:36:50.817 these guys, like again, I like Gunnerhelm, Yeah, he has 1:36:50.897 --> 1:36:53.297 tight end one upside, He's just not nearly as polished 1:36:53.458 --> 1:36:56.657 as Tyler Warrens. And they can afford to have a 1:36:56.697 --> 1:36:58.777 guy who's not gonna be ready year one because ideal 1:36:58.777 --> 1:37:00.617 he's gonna be playing behind Hunter Henry to start. 1:37:00.857 --> 1:37:02.737 So let me ask you this because you know I 1:37:02.897 --> 1:37:04.298 like this guy, and so I have to bring it 1:37:04.378 --> 1:37:08.737 up and obvious connection here. You know what what happened 1:37:08.737 --> 1:37:10.857 to Bryson as a bit like why is because he 1:37:11.058 --> 1:37:14.017 was somebody that was considered maybe a top fifty, top 1:37:14.058 --> 1:37:16.537 one hundred guy. Am I Bronk like last year? 1:37:16.657 --> 1:37:16.857 Yeah? 1:37:17.458 --> 1:37:17.697 He was. 1:37:17.937 --> 1:37:20.497 He's from North Carolina, he played with Drake Manah, he 1:37:20.577 --> 1:37:22.817 was a top one fifty guy. He missed some time 1:37:23.058 --> 1:37:23.537 he was hurt. 1:37:23.697 --> 1:37:23.897 Yeah. 1:37:23.978 --> 1:37:26.697 I would also say their offense must have stunk without 1:37:26.897 --> 1:37:30.617 so well, it's not just without Drake. Max Johnson in 1:37:30.817 --> 1:37:33.218 who is a transfer from Texas A and M who 1:37:33.298 --> 1:37:35.697 they brought in to replace him, snapped his leg in 1:37:35.777 --> 1:37:39.577 the first game, and then Jacobe Criswell got banged up 1:37:39.577 --> 1:37:43.338 at times. They had a whole quarterback carousel thingo. By 1:37:43.338 --> 1:37:45.937 the way, Max Johnson, he's his son of Brad Johnson, 1:37:46.258 --> 1:37:49.097 total Belichick quarterback. I would not like from the outside 1:37:49.138 --> 1:37:50.697 looking in, I would not be surprised off his Bill's 1:37:50.737 --> 1:37:53.057 quarterback this year. Like if he was in the draft 1:37:53.138 --> 1:37:55.817 and Bill was here, I would be saying, the Patriot's 1:37:55.857 --> 1:37:59.697 gonna draft Max Johnson. But you know he got banged up. 1:38:00.537 --> 1:38:03.577 The quarterback play wasn't good. He's one of these guys, 1:38:03.657 --> 1:38:06.577 you know how I love to talk about this. How 1:38:06.657 --> 1:38:08.817 do you view like how much of a recency bias 1:38:08.897 --> 1:38:11.418 is there for teams watching him? Are you looking at 1:38:11.937 --> 1:38:13.857 twenty twenty three? Are you only looking at him in 1:38:13.857 --> 1:38:15.497 twenty twenty four? If you look at him in twenty 1:38:15.537 --> 1:38:18.177 twenty three, he's a high Day three pick with upset. 1:38:18.218 --> 1:38:19.697 The other thing is like he can't he doesn't block. 1:38:20.018 --> 1:38:23.537 He's a receiver and maybe he develops into a blocker eventually. 1:38:23.577 --> 1:38:27.257 Like Hunter Henry did, but he is a pass catching 1:38:27.338 --> 1:38:30.378 tight end. So we have some breaking Patriots news, okay, 1:38:30.737 --> 1:38:34.897 and it's not positive breaking Patriots needs. So Christian Barmore 1:38:35.218 --> 1:38:36.657 has been shut down for the season. 1:38:37.258 --> 1:38:40.577 He had a I'll just read the statement out loud 1:38:40.577 --> 1:38:43.338 because I don't want to mince words here. The Newland 1:38:43.378 --> 1:38:46.977 Patriots are placing defensive linemen Christian Barmore on the reserve 1:38:47.138 --> 1:38:51.138 non football illness list after he experienced some reoccurring symptoms 1:38:51.497 --> 1:38:55.657 that required further evaluation. We appreciate everything Christian did to 1:38:55.737 --> 1:38:58.337 return to the team this season, but our top priority 1:38:58.458 --> 1:39:00.897 is Christian's health and well being. We know that he 1:39:00.937 --> 1:39:04.298 will continue to receive tremendous care. You want to ensure 1:39:04.338 --> 1:39:06.817 that he gets the time he needs to come back 1:39:06.897 --> 1:39:10.737 stronger than ever. So my feelings on this are first 1:39:10.777 --> 1:39:13.977 and foremost. Obviously, you know, thoughts are with Christian Barmore 1:39:14.018 --> 1:39:18.258 and hope everything is okay. From that standpoint, I thought 1:39:18.338 --> 1:39:20.857 that watching him play since he came back from this 1:39:21.018 --> 1:39:25.137 issue was tough at times, and he just wasn't himself. 1:39:25.298 --> 1:39:27.378 He was clearly a shell of himself, as it would 1:39:27.418 --> 1:39:31.737 be totally expected given the circumstances at. 1:39:31.657 --> 1:39:32.338 Three and eleven. 1:39:32.577 --> 1:39:35.537 If he's starting to feel something that's not right, this 1:39:35.777 --> 1:39:38.018 is absolutely the right move for him in the in 1:39:38.058 --> 1:39:42.458 the organization. Long term, he needs to get healthy, which 1:39:42.497 --> 1:39:44.657 I hope he does, and then he needs a full 1:39:44.737 --> 1:39:47.458 off season to get his body back to where it 1:39:47.657 --> 1:39:52.178 was before this all happened. That's this is obviously tough news, though. 1:39:52.218 --> 1:39:53.897 I feel for him because I know he worked really 1:39:53.937 --> 1:39:54.617 hard to get back. 1:39:54.777 --> 1:39:58.138 Yeah, and look good thing that they caught whatever this 1:39:59.178 --> 1:40:02.897 reoccurrence is right, and that he didn't go out there 1:40:02.937 --> 1:40:06.098 and play on it and risk getting hurt further. You 1:40:06.218 --> 1:40:07.857 hope he can be back next year with this kind 1:40:07.857 --> 1:40:10.857 of thing. You always wonder about the long term mature 1:40:10.857 --> 1:40:15.497 of his career, But yeah, thoughts with him and hopefully 1:40:15.577 --> 1:40:17.497 he can you know, get done when he needs to 1:40:17.497 --> 1:40:19.258 get done as quick as possible. Yeah. 1:40:19.378 --> 1:40:22.977 Look, I love watching Christian Barmore play. There was nothing 1:40:23.058 --> 1:40:25.138 more that that guy needed to do this year. 1:40:25.617 --> 1:40:28.617 Like, yeah, we were talking about that in practice today. 1:40:28.737 --> 1:40:31.217 Like the fact that he got back on the field, 1:40:31.338 --> 1:40:34.617 and I'm sure mentally as much as anything was huge 1:40:34.697 --> 1:40:38.017 for him to just climb past that and now it's 1:40:38.178 --> 1:40:40.057 just he's gotta do it again. 1:40:40.298 --> 1:40:42.697 Yeah, man, I mean, look, that was a big one. 1:40:43.058 --> 1:40:46.097 You know you we talked about this, I think another time. 1:40:46.178 --> 1:40:49.897 But like these guys that they signed or extended in 1:40:50.018 --> 1:40:53.298 the off season that they were really expecting to be 1:40:53.458 --> 1:40:55.777 kind of like foundational elements. 1:40:55.258 --> 1:40:55.857 Of this team. 1:40:56.737 --> 1:41:02.857 Barmore, Dugger, Pepper's Remandre on Wenu. A lot of these 1:41:02.978 --> 1:41:07.378 guys were either hurt, had you know, extenuating circumstances off 1:41:07.418 --> 1:41:11.018 the field, and they just didn't They didn't answer the 1:41:11.058 --> 1:41:12.897 buck in a lot of different ways. And it's not 1:41:12.978 --> 1:41:16.137 Barmore's fault, right that this is a rare blood condition 1:41:16.298 --> 1:41:19.178 is not his fault. But the point being that, you know, 1:41:19.218 --> 1:41:21.378 when you sign these guys and you count on these 1:41:21.458 --> 1:41:24.737 guys to have that go by the wayside is really 1:41:24.817 --> 1:41:26.697 a big reason why they are where they are. Like 1:41:26.817 --> 1:41:30.418 if they had twenty twenty three, Christian Barmore twenty twenty three, 1:41:30.657 --> 1:41:34.298 Jabriel Pepper's twenty twenty three Juwan Bentley, do I think 1:41:34.338 --> 1:41:37.018 that they would be five ten wins better and in 1:41:37.098 --> 1:41:39.897 the playoffs? Like, No, of course not, but they would 1:41:39.937 --> 1:41:42.697 be a better team on defense for sure with those guys. 1:41:42.857 --> 1:41:43.378 Absolutely. 1:41:43.537 --> 1:41:46.018 Yeah. So a tough one for the Patriots there with 1:41:46.098 --> 1:41:49.338 Christian Barmore. But I'd like to reiterate I actually think 1:41:49.418 --> 1:41:53.097 this is in some ways what's best for the player anyways. 1:41:53.218 --> 1:41:55.697 Like I just I think having him roll out there 1:41:55.817 --> 1:41:58.418 just wasn't right anyway. And he even said when he 1:41:58.458 --> 1:42:00.258 first came back like he wasn't in football shape. I 1:42:01.258 --> 1:42:03.378 wouldn't be surprised. It's just like mental just getting him 1:42:03.418 --> 1:42:05.897 back on the field. So he got that Yeah, you know, 1:42:06.098 --> 1:42:08.897 got over that hump. All right, So let's get back 1:42:08.937 --> 1:42:11.458 to the last couple of emails here after that. Yeah, 1:42:11.497 --> 1:42:12.337 it's kind of depressing. 1:42:12.497 --> 1:42:14.697 I'll just bounce back. I was gonna say on Bryson, 1:42:14.897 --> 1:42:17.657 don't don't sleep on Bryson as but as a draft pick, 1:42:17.817 --> 1:42:20.098 just watch him. I know you don't always do this. 1:42:20.258 --> 1:42:21.418 Just watch him in twenty twenty three. 1:42:21.537 --> 1:42:23.657 No, I watched him in twenty twenty three with Drake 1:42:23.697 --> 1:42:26.338 all right, yeah already have watched Yeah, and look like 1:42:26.857 --> 1:42:29.937 he's to me, is one of those players that can 1:42:29.978 --> 1:42:33.577 get up to and as I like like Henter Henry 1:42:33.617 --> 1:42:36.178 a lot, I like Austin Hooper a lot, but they're 1:42:36.258 --> 1:42:40.458 not necessarily like explosive like field stretching tight ends, right 1:42:40.577 --> 1:42:43.777 that can do those sort of things Drake May rifle 1:42:43.857 --> 1:42:46.018 and throws up the scene to Bryce Nesbit was like 1:42:46.458 --> 1:42:50.097 a regular thing at North Carolina over the last two years, 1:42:50.497 --> 1:42:54.017 and you just see statistically Nesbit's like production with Drake 1:42:54.178 --> 1:42:56.777 versus this year without him there, it just fell off 1:42:56.817 --> 1:42:59.257 a cliff so like he was like five hundred yards 1:42:59.338 --> 1:43:02.338 roughly I think in twenty two and twenty three with 1:43:02.458 --> 1:43:05.137 Drake May at North Carolina, which in college is really 1:43:05.178 --> 1:43:07.298 good tight end production. Yeah, you know, you don't normally 1:43:07.418 --> 1:43:11.017 see a big receiving production from tight end. So if 1:43:11.058 --> 1:43:12.937 you can get him in like the fifth or the 1:43:12.978 --> 1:43:15.298 sixth round because he had a down year, like even 1:43:15.378 --> 1:43:18.617 more reason to do it. Already has the connection with Drake. 1:43:18.817 --> 1:43:20.697 You know, I'm sure Drake would love it, like I'm 1:43:20.697 --> 1:43:24.338 sure he would Loby for it. I don't think they 1:43:24.418 --> 1:43:26.617 need a running back this high. So I don't think 1:43:26.657 --> 1:43:30.298 Amrio and Hampton is really in their conversations too much 1:43:30.497 --> 1:43:32.977 because you know, he's gonna be probably top fifty. 1:43:33.138 --> 1:43:34.777 Yeah, uh draft pick. 1:43:34.937 --> 1:43:37.857 But uh, bryceon Sbitt seems like he would be a 1:43:37.937 --> 1:43:39.818 realistic target for the Patriots. 1:43:39.458 --> 1:43:42.298 And uh so, I couldn't remember the injury he broke 1:43:42.378 --> 1:43:45.977 his wrist in November, so you figure he'll be bad. 1:43:46.018 --> 1:43:50.897 He should be good off of wrist injury. You feel 1:43:50.937 --> 1:43:52.937 like he should be good. He'll probably be a Senior 1:43:52.937 --> 1:43:55.937 Bowl guy, would be or at least a Shrine Bowl guy. Yeah, yeah, 1:43:56.018 --> 1:43:57.657 it might might be. It'd be fun to see him 1:43:57.978 --> 1:43:59.617 not listed for either right now, but he'd be a 1:43:59.697 --> 1:44:01.218 kind of guy that would would be good. 1:44:01.258 --> 1:44:01.418 There. 1:44:01.577 --> 1:44:03.617 Okay, a couple more things that I want to get 1:44:03.657 --> 1:44:07.378 to before we wrap it up. Got some emails, obviously, 1:44:07.497 --> 1:44:10.458 get in some calls about Travis Hunter. He just won 1:44:10.497 --> 1:44:13.657 the Heisman Trophy. This is topical obviously, coming off the 1:44:13.697 --> 1:44:15.217 weekend and him winning the Heisman. 1:44:15.857 --> 1:44:16.977 I just want to speech. 1:44:17.098 --> 1:44:18.737 I just want to say, like, I love the kid, 1:44:19.018 --> 1:44:21.178 like a great kids. I love the guy like I 1:44:21.258 --> 1:44:22.657 think he's a football nerd. 1:44:22.737 --> 1:44:27.897 I think he alone. Who said it? Girlfriend? I thought 1:44:27.937 --> 1:44:29.617 you meant me. I was like, no, no, no, no no, 1:44:29.737 --> 1:44:31.857 it's like this whole thing on the internet that his 1:44:31.937 --> 1:44:33.418 girlfriend didn't stand up with the ceremony. 1:44:33.537 --> 1:44:36.577 Jeez, Okay, people need to touch grass. 1:44:36.937 --> 1:44:41.018 Uh So I just like him. No, he's got absolutely 1:44:41.058 --> 1:44:41.817 the right mentality. 1:44:41.937 --> 1:44:43.977 Yeah, and I feel like he's uh you know, from 1:44:43.978 --> 1:44:46.697 everything that you hear out of Colorado about him, like 1:44:46.817 --> 1:44:48.137 he's like a film junkie. 1:44:48.218 --> 1:44:50.458 Like this guy doesn't listen to music because he's just 1:44:50.577 --> 1:44:54.017 watched you. He's you. He doesn't love music, he doesn't 1:44:54.138 --> 1:44:56.098 love it, go out, he doesn't do any like it. 1:44:56.258 --> 1:44:59.817 I think people obviously Deon Satra is a big personality, outgoing. 1:45:00.138 --> 1:45:02.018 He's very out there in the public things like that, 1:45:02.098 --> 1:45:06.458 and I think people just obscribe subscribed that to Travis Hunter, 1:45:07.138 --> 1:45:09.977 there was this story where like he like he doesn't 1:45:09.978 --> 1:45:12.138 go to parties, doesn't listen to music, doesn't go out, 1:45:12.178 --> 1:45:15.617 like he watches film and he plays video games. That's 1:45:15.777 --> 1:45:16.258 all he does. 1:45:16.577 --> 1:45:19.298 Yeah, that's all he does. I think Drake's kind of 1:45:19.338 --> 1:45:22.338 the same way. I think he's kind of the same 1:45:22.378 --> 1:45:24.218 plosit of the two of us. Yeah, watch his film, 1:45:24.258 --> 1:45:27.418 plays video Yeah right, So therefore I think both of 1:45:27.458 --> 1:45:28.817 them together would would really know. 1:45:29.298 --> 1:45:31.617 They do seem like get along. It does seem like 1:45:31.617 --> 1:45:34.258 you would be repairing. Yeah, I was. It was a 1:45:34.298 --> 1:45:34.737 good speech. 1:45:34.937 --> 1:45:37.577 Yeah, it was a great speech. I think there will 1:45:37.617 --> 1:45:40.497 be a continue we are going to do, uh you know, 1:45:40.697 --> 1:45:42.977 five months or whatever it is. On is he a 1:45:43.018 --> 1:45:45.418 wide receiver? Is a corner? Can he play both ways? 1:45:45.497 --> 1:45:48.257 This that the other thing Jay Glazer had to report. 1:45:48.418 --> 1:45:50.817 I believe it was a Sunday morning during Fox's pregame 1:45:51.298 --> 1:45:53.497 that he pulled some NFL gms and a lot of 1:45:53.537 --> 1:45:55.857 the gms think he's a corner in the league. And 1:45:56.737 --> 1:45:59.017 Jay Glazer even reported that he doesn't think that he's 1:45:59.058 --> 1:46:01.138 gonna play a ton of receiver at all. You know, 1:46:01.378 --> 1:46:03.817 it would probably just be mostly corner for a lot 1:46:03.897 --> 1:46:06.577 of teams. I still leave the door open to him 1:46:06.577 --> 1:46:09.777 playing receiver, one because I think he has great receiver film, 1:46:10.458 --> 1:46:13.177 and two because I think he might want to play receiver. 1:46:13.378 --> 1:46:15.098 So I'm still gonna leave the door open to that. 1:46:15.897 --> 1:46:18.058 But the more that we get closer, you know, the 1:46:18.178 --> 1:46:21.537 more that information that comes out about it, it does 1:46:21.657 --> 1:46:24.178 feel like the NFL views him as a corner on 1:46:24.338 --> 1:46:24.657 the whole. 1:46:24.897 --> 1:46:26.737 I've said this, he is a better corner than receiver. 1:46:26.937 --> 1:46:29.057 Agree is not a good receiver, but he's a corner. 1:46:29.178 --> 1:46:32.537 So David, you know, emails in and I think we've 1:46:32.617 --> 1:46:35.338 said similar things about this before. And you know, he 1:46:35.577 --> 1:46:38.777 just said about Travis Hunter that he's a luxury item. 1:46:38.897 --> 1:46:41.418 You know that that he's you know, Patriots drafting Hunter 1:46:41.577 --> 1:46:43.938 is like buying a Ferrari for a home that's in foreclosure. 1:46:43.937 --> 1:46:47.017 And we've used these types of analogies before. I hear 1:46:47.138 --> 1:46:50.537 that in a lot of ways. I know everybody is 1:46:50.577 --> 1:46:52.817 sort of like big on the offensive line, and I 1:46:52.937 --> 1:46:54.937 am too. It's a it's the number one need on 1:46:55.018 --> 1:46:58.058 the team. Left tackle is the number one need on 1:46:58.178 --> 1:47:00.857 the team. But I still come back to my best 1:47:00.857 --> 1:47:03.937 player available thing. I still want them to take the 1:47:04.018 --> 1:47:06.577 best player available at a position of need. That that's 1:47:06.617 --> 1:47:10.617 always what we have advocated for. It's not, oh, we 1:47:10.777 --> 1:47:14.298 have this guard or this running back Alex rated, you know, 1:47:14.418 --> 1:47:15.737 higher than Will Campbell. 1:47:16.058 --> 1:47:16.817 We're not doing that. 1:47:17.378 --> 1:47:24.977 But between receiver, tackle, edge, rusher, don't reach right. I 1:47:25.058 --> 1:47:27.737 don't reach to to try to fill a hole. I 1:47:27.817 --> 1:47:30.617 feel like that's why bad teams stay bad. So if 1:47:30.617 --> 1:47:34.657 you view view Travis Hunter as a corner, it's a 1:47:34.737 --> 1:47:37.737 premium position. So I would at least could get behind that, 1:47:38.298 --> 1:47:42.177 and obviously Gonzo and Travis Hunter would probably be pretty dominant. 1:47:42.897 --> 1:47:43.418 But it's not. 1:47:43.897 --> 1:47:47.817 It doesn't exactly fit the big you know, best player 1:47:47.857 --> 1:47:49.378 at position need if. 1:47:49.298 --> 1:47:52.937 He's not playing receiver, I'm not interested. That's just where 1:47:53.098 --> 1:47:56.017 for the reasons you just said. Yeah, and if if 1:47:56.058 --> 1:47:58.057 the league really views him as a corner. Any teams, 1:47:58.058 --> 1:48:00.537 if you highly as a corner, if he's on the board, 1:48:00.617 --> 1:48:03.018 you're gonna it's not gonna be like a quarterback, but 1:48:03.058 --> 1:48:04.497 you're gonna get a ton of value for that pick 1:48:04.577 --> 1:48:05.218 if you move down. 1:48:06.218 --> 1:48:09.057 Yeah, I I agree with you. I I honestly uh 1:48:09.937 --> 1:48:12.937 am also tempted a little. I kind of attempted by 1:48:12.978 --> 1:48:13.577 Abdul Carter. 1:48:14.418 --> 1:48:18.057 I'm not gonna lie like and Hunter is a better player, 1:48:18.138 --> 1:48:20.258 but like pound for pound, Carter makes more sense to 1:48:20.378 --> 1:48:21.178 me than Hunter does. 1:48:21.418 --> 1:48:24.097 Yeah, it's a position of need. It's a premium position 1:48:24.777 --> 1:48:27.617 pass rusher off the edge right now. When you just 1:48:27.697 --> 1:48:31.138 look at their their their pass rush statists, whether it's 1:48:31.218 --> 1:48:33.857 pressure rate, win rate, whatever, like they're down near the 1:48:33.857 --> 1:48:35.298 bottom of the league and all of it. They don't 1:48:35.298 --> 1:48:38.537 pressure the quarterback. And when I look at the cornerback room, 1:48:39.258 --> 1:48:42.497 I actually think that their corners are decent, Like Christianzalez 1:48:42.537 --> 1:48:44.537 is great, and then you you kind of have a 1:48:44.617 --> 1:48:46.657 hierarchy there, Like I think Marcus Jones is a very 1:48:46.697 --> 1:48:50.097 capable slot corner. We still are talking about the outside 1:48:50.138 --> 1:48:53.097 cornerback position and that being a little bit of a maid. 1:48:53.098 --> 1:48:56.857 Carlton Davis one year, twelve million dollars solved. Don't need 1:48:57.378 --> 1:48:58.697 a superstar over there. 1:48:58.657 --> 1:49:01.418 No, And I definitely am still of the mind that 1:49:01.497 --> 1:49:03.777 I think Alex Austen might be able to do it. Yeah, 1:49:04.098 --> 1:49:06.857 And so you have between those guys, you know, the 1:49:06.978 --> 1:49:11.018 Jones is Christian goan Zalez, Alex Austin Jonathan Jones is 1:49:11.058 --> 1:49:14.057 a free agent. But if he comes back, I think 1:49:14.138 --> 1:49:15.577 that's a decent cornerback round. 1:49:15.737 --> 1:49:18.298 I really do all their other issues you can get 1:49:18.378 --> 1:49:21.338 by with that putting resource into that room. You're talking 1:49:21.378 --> 1:49:23.537 about a room going from maybe good to great. Yeah, 1:49:23.577 --> 1:49:26.178 obviously Gonzalez is great, but like he's around them, Yeah, 1:49:27.817 --> 1:49:30.418 when there's other positions that you need a pump serious 1:49:30.737 --> 1:49:32.737 assets into just to get them a good Yeah. 1:49:32.857 --> 1:49:35.857 It just feels to me like if you get the 1:49:35.937 --> 1:49:39.458 safety play that you're expecting back from Duggar and Peppers, 1:49:39.497 --> 1:49:41.537 you get those guys back to the level that you're 1:49:41.617 --> 1:49:44.218 used to, and you keep this cornerback room in tack, 1:49:44.258 --> 1:49:48.258 which is pretty good, I believe, then if you add 1:49:48.338 --> 1:49:51.338 to the pass rush, like that's the bigger need, right, Like, 1:49:51.458 --> 1:49:53.097 that's clearly the bigger I don't remember. 1:49:52.897 --> 1:49:55.777 If I said this on this show last week. But 1:49:55.897 --> 1:49:59.497 I've said it somewhere like if you have Gonzales right, 1:49:59.737 --> 1:50:01.937 and we talk a lot about it, right, well, how 1:50:01.978 --> 1:50:04.218 do you maximize Drake May on offense? And what pick, 1:50:04.298 --> 1:50:07.897 what additions, what's signing? Maximize Drake May because he's your stud, 1:50:07.978 --> 1:50:09.497 that's you're building round on that side of the ball. 1:50:09.817 --> 1:50:12.657 We can do the same exercise with Christian Zalez. How 1:50:12.697 --> 1:50:15.058 do you maximize Christian Zalez? And the one knock on 1:50:15.178 --> 1:50:17.298 Christian Zalez right now, and I think it's overblown. I 1:50:17.298 --> 1:50:19.418 would call it more of an observation than a knock 1:50:20.058 --> 1:50:23.737 is that the on ball production isn't tremendous, right, Yeah, 1:50:23.777 --> 1:50:25.378 he had a couple of pass breakups last week, but 1:50:25.418 --> 1:50:27.418 he's not getting interceptions. He's not gonna got two PEPs 1:50:27.497 --> 1:50:30.537 this year. Yeah, But because nobody's thrown at him and 1:50:30.617 --> 1:50:33.857 these quarterbacks have time to adjust, he's also playing trail man. 1:50:34.058 --> 1:50:36.098 So like this is a big thing I think to 1:50:36.298 --> 1:50:38.577 with the zone man corner thing, Like when you have 1:50:38.777 --> 1:50:40.737 zone eyes, you have eyes in the backfield, so you 1:50:40.897 --> 1:50:42.897 have that ability to jump the football, right, like you 1:50:42.978 --> 1:50:45.378 have the ability to see the quarterback throw the football, 1:50:45.458 --> 1:50:48.378 have it leave his hand and then ballhawk and trace 1:50:48.458 --> 1:50:52.858 the ball corners. Like you know what made Stefan Gilmour's 1:50:53.617 --> 1:50:55.977 Defensive Player of the Year season so ridiculous was how 1:50:56.018 --> 1:50:58.137 many picks he had playing man to man the whole season. 1:50:58.577 --> 1:51:00.897 So like that, that's a really difficult to do. Part 1:51:00.937 --> 1:51:02.577 of that was and to my point, how do you 1:51:02.617 --> 1:51:05.977 maximize Gonzales. It's not putting another corner on the other side. 1:51:06.378 --> 1:51:09.258 It's getting another pass rusher, because with Gilmore you to 1:51:09.378 --> 1:51:12.338 pass rush, and a lot of quarterbacks when you pressure them, 1:51:12.338 --> 1:51:14.697 their first instinct is just gonna be I know my 1:51:14.817 --> 1:51:17.138 top receivers over here. I'm throwing it like I need 1:51:17.218 --> 1:51:20.177 to get rid of this ball. I'm gonna get crushed. Buddy, 1:51:20.258 --> 1:51:23.778 go make a play. And that's when you know it's 1:51:23.897 --> 1:51:26.857 the pick and the Super Bowl. Yeah, picking super Bowl 1:51:26.897 --> 1:51:30.057 fifty three where it's van Ney, right, is it van Neuy? Yeah, 1:51:30.617 --> 1:51:32.577 run a blitzer. They run a zero blitz and Steph 1:51:32.617 --> 1:51:34.138 Gilmore gets to turn around and catch it like a 1:51:34.178 --> 1:51:36.937 center fielder. Yeah, that's how you maximize Gonzalez. It's not 1:51:36.978 --> 1:51:39.218 putting another corner on the other side, it's getting a 1:51:39.258 --> 1:51:42.017 pass rusher that's gonna speed these quarterbacks up and force 1:51:42.098 --> 1:51:43.338 more bad throws to his side. 1:51:43.418 --> 1:51:46.178 Agreed, I think their their secondary is good enough. I 1:51:46.258 --> 1:51:49.617 think your secondary would be is is good enough if 1:51:49.657 --> 1:51:51.017 they had a legit passage. 1:51:51.018 --> 1:51:55.537 I'd like to see them add another boundary, physical, bigger 1:51:55.697 --> 1:51:58.298 corner just to kind of compete with Alex Austin for 1:51:58.378 --> 1:52:00.537 that second job. But that you that does not need 1:52:00.617 --> 1:52:02.138 to be a first round pick. All right, We'll take 1:52:02.178 --> 1:52:04.857 one more call and then we're gonna wrap it up. 1:52:05.178 --> 1:52:06.017 Jay is in Atlanta. 1:52:06.098 --> 1:52:06.697 What's up Jay? 1:52:09.378 --> 1:52:12.138 Hey, guys, Thanks for taking a call there. Hey, guys 1:52:12.218 --> 1:52:16.418 going to I want to ask about Daveon Williams a TCU. 1:52:17.178 --> 1:52:21.178 And secondly, from my second question, I want to ask, 1:52:21.777 --> 1:52:24.378 I know in the first round probably gonna be tackled 1:52:24.378 --> 1:52:27.178 by receiver or second round probably whichever we don't get 1:52:27.218 --> 1:52:30.378 the first for those two thirds, what do you think 1:52:30.497 --> 1:52:32.097 would be the best option for us to pick? 1:52:33.978 --> 1:52:37.058 Thanks, Jane, appreciate the call. D you know I'm not 1:52:37.138 --> 1:52:38.697 deep enough to know. Yeah, so I haven't done a 1:52:38.737 --> 1:52:41.857 ton on saveing on Williams. I I some of the 1:52:41.897 --> 1:52:44.817 people who get in really deep really like him TCU 1:52:44.857 --> 1:52:46.897 wide receiver, So you're gonna have to get over the helmet. 1:52:47.058 --> 1:52:52.258 Now big gon dots in two point outs. What I'm hearing, Well, 1:52:52.258 --> 1:52:54.697 I've seen more like Quinn Johnson. That one's bad too, 1:52:55.098 --> 1:52:55.537 both of them. 1:52:56.537 --> 1:53:00.977 Much better athlete, much more explosive. He's quicker, he's not 1:53:01.058 --> 1:53:05.017 a straight line athlete. He hasn't played a ton. He's 1:53:05.178 --> 1:53:07.017 very raw. I got to pull up the exact number 1:53:07.018 --> 1:53:11.057 of games he's played. But he's a he's a full projection. 1:53:11.497 --> 1:53:13.218 So this is a guy that's you know, six four, 1:53:13.338 --> 1:53:17.178 six five, two twenty out. But well, he's like an 1:53:17.258 --> 1:53:18.338 early day three pick. 1:53:18.458 --> 1:53:21.098 Okay, like any but to me, and I'm sorry to 1:53:21.138 --> 1:53:24.537 cut you off, but any receiver that we're handing this 1:53:24.657 --> 1:53:27.817 coaching staff that is a project or is raw or 1:53:27.937 --> 1:53:31.138 anything like that. Until I build some confidence with the 1:53:31.218 --> 1:53:33.857 fact that they can develop at that position, I'm out. 1:53:34.378 --> 1:53:38.378 I would call him as a prospect. Now we know 1:53:38.497 --> 1:53:42.138 how this turned out. As a prospect, I would call 1:53:42.258 --> 1:53:45.897 him a little Javon Baker ish. And that's not being 1:53:46.018 --> 1:53:50.817 super familiar, but like, you're drafting a guy who's big, 1:53:51.378 --> 1:53:55.258 who you're gonna throw the ball down the field to. Yeah, 1:53:55.737 --> 1:53:57.737 if he's the only receiver they walk away with, No, 1:53:57.937 --> 1:54:01.537 if you're telling me that they got Luther Burden and 1:54:01.657 --> 1:54:04.097 this is maybe doubling up them trying again to find 1:54:04.138 --> 1:54:08.298 an X. Okay, yeah, I guess I could see that. 1:54:08.458 --> 1:54:10.178 It wouldn't be my favorite thing, but I could see it. 1:54:11.817 --> 1:54:16.177 I will to the second point, those two thirds trade 1:54:16.218 --> 1:54:20.737 one trade one, move up, move up in the second, 1:54:20.857 --> 1:54:22.418 move up from the second to the first. This is 1:54:22.458 --> 1:54:24.298 the same mistake they did last year. They had those 1:54:24.338 --> 1:54:26.897 two fourths, they were in position to move up. Instead 1:54:26.937 --> 1:54:30.338 they moved down for Jalen Polk. They take Kanen Wallason 1:54:30.497 --> 1:54:32.778 and they use them on Landen Robinson and Jaymon Baker. 1:54:33.138 --> 1:54:37.658 Use those picks move up. So I'm open to anything 1:54:37.937 --> 1:54:39.977 in terms of moving up like that. I'm all for that. 1:54:40.458 --> 1:54:43.458 I also wonder if one of those third round picks 1:54:43.498 --> 1:54:46.057 can be traded for a veteran player like I still 1:54:46.098 --> 1:54:47.538 will bang the table for that all. 1:54:47.498 --> 1:54:50.378 Day, every single or for a veteran player like I. 1:54:50.578 --> 1:54:54.218 Just I keep coming back to the fact that, look, 1:54:54.298 --> 1:54:56.658 if you can't draft well, then you might as well 1:54:56.818 --> 1:54:58.977 just start trading picks for guys that you know, you 1:54:59.098 --> 1:55:02.018 know can play in the league, right like in the 1:55:02.138 --> 1:55:05.818 way that this has gone throughout the NFL, Like trading picks, 1:55:05.937 --> 1:55:08.338 like the value of the veteran players is going down. 1:55:08.578 --> 1:55:10.698 I would say, like you can start to get some 1:55:10.818 --> 1:55:14.897 real talent for those players for those picks. So look, 1:55:14.937 --> 1:55:18.058 if you're you're wary of like certain blind spots that 1:55:18.178 --> 1:55:21.418 you have from an evaluation standpoint, or you don't love 1:55:21.498 --> 1:55:25.498 the draft, or whatever the case may be, trade it, like, 1:55:25.618 --> 1:55:26.858 trade it for a veteran player. 1:55:27.218 --> 1:55:30.138 Here do you want, We'll just do this live. You 1:55:30.218 --> 1:55:32.458 want to save? We both trust the Draft Network. They 1:55:32.498 --> 1:55:34.498 do a good job. Yeah. So here's what the Draft 1:55:34.538 --> 1:55:37.977 Network has on Savion Williams. Since I wasn't fully prepared. Okay, 1:55:38.098 --> 1:55:43.578 uh six fo Okay, here's the summary. Save on Williams 1:55:43.618 --> 1:55:46.658 offers NFL teams a diverse and unique skills set at 1:55:46.658 --> 1:55:50.498 the wide receiver position. Has a rare combination of size, explosiveness, 1:55:50.578 --> 1:55:55.057 and quickness to create explosive plays. Strengths, diverse release package, 1:55:55.738 --> 1:56:01.018 explosive great short area quickness, position, versatile playmaker ability to 1:56:01.058 --> 1:56:06.217 create explosive plays. Oh concerns yeah, TCU raw route runner 1:56:07.098 --> 1:56:10.977 concentration drops. So this was written before the season. Lack 1:56:11.018 --> 1:56:12.937 of production. I'll give you his production this year. It's 1:56:12.937 --> 1:56:16.658 all career highs sixty catches, six hundred eleven yards, six touchdowns. 1:56:16.858 --> 1:56:18.977 He also ran the ball fifty one times for three 1:56:19.058 --> 1:56:20.257 hundred yards and six touchdown. 1:56:20.298 --> 1:56:23.138 Okay, so I love the big playability, right, that's what 1:56:23.178 --> 1:56:26.218 you're looking for. It does sound a little Javon Baker ish, right, 1:56:26.298 --> 1:56:27.298 like splash play guy. 1:56:27.778 --> 1:56:30.338 The running thing is interesting. I saw run the ball. 1:56:30.578 --> 1:56:33.337 I don't love the football. I don't love the conference. 1:56:33.698 --> 1:56:37.017 I don't I've had this conversation with a lot of people. 1:56:37.018 --> 1:56:38.298 At this point. It's Big twelve, right. 1:56:38.978 --> 1:56:43.538 So my biggest concern with drafting out of those conferences, 1:56:43.658 --> 1:56:47.138 drafting guys like Ted McMillan from Arizona, drafting a guy 1:56:47.178 --> 1:56:50.338 from TCU. None of the teams that they play on 1:56:50.458 --> 1:56:53.217 a consistent play basis play NFL defense. 1:56:53.498 --> 1:56:53.538 Like. 1:56:53.658 --> 1:56:57.098 None of those teams are playing Manton Man at a 1:56:57.178 --> 1:57:00.858 high level. None of those teams are playing any sort 1:57:00.897 --> 1:57:03.458 of NFL style press right Like. 1:57:03.698 --> 1:57:04.977 I'm not saying they never do it. 1:57:05.218 --> 1:57:07.937 I'm just saying it's not their major And so a 1:57:08.018 --> 1:57:09.738 lot of the time when you watch the film of 1:57:09.818 --> 1:57:13.538 these guys, they're just running into pockets of space against 1:57:13.618 --> 1:57:16.258 zone coverage and just catching balls over the middle of 1:57:16.298 --> 1:57:19.658 the field against like linebackers and safeties or whatever, you know, 1:57:19.738 --> 1:57:24.378 catching throws underneath like off coverage or bail technique or whatever, 1:57:24.858 --> 1:57:25.698 and so much. 1:57:25.858 --> 1:57:26.658 You know, it's hard. 1:57:27.897 --> 1:57:32.778 It's hard to like find that translate to the league, right, like, oh, 1:57:32.897 --> 1:57:35.378 this is a this is an NFL rep. Like, you know, 1:57:35.458 --> 1:57:38.658 he's getting pressed, he gets off pressed, he wins the route, 1:57:38.858 --> 1:57:41.218 he wins the route on time, like he's not hanging 1:57:41.298 --> 1:57:43.977 out forever on the line of scrimmage. It's really hard 1:57:44.058 --> 1:57:47.178 to find that, especially in those types of conferences, you know, 1:57:47.298 --> 1:57:50.217 the Big twelve, the old Pac twelve. Like those teams 1:57:50.538 --> 1:57:53.418 it's all three cover three, it's all quarters, it's all 1:57:53.498 --> 1:57:56.018 soft zonne like that. That's to worry something to me 1:57:56.138 --> 1:57:56.658 with those teams. 1:57:56.738 --> 1:57:59.018 So this is interesting because again I one of the 1:57:59.098 --> 1:58:01.218 few guys that, like I wasn't ready on and I'm 1:58:01.298 --> 1:58:03.418 looking at some of the comps here. So he started 1:58:03.458 --> 1:58:06.698 playing wildcat quarterback and running back late in the year. 1:58:06.698 --> 1:58:09.618 That's where all those carries came from. Jim, and it's 1:58:09.698 --> 1:58:13.897 Jim Naggy. Jim Nagy's comp is cord Aero Patterson at 1:58:13.937 --> 1:58:17.458 that size. If he's I mean fifty one times, we 1:58:17.538 --> 1:58:21.177 do like Cordero. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna 1:58:21.178 --> 1:58:23.098 try to watch them. Maybe you do your job, I know, 1:58:23.138 --> 1:58:24.778 if you like to say to me, maybe he's my 1:58:24.897 --> 1:58:28.778 recency biased guy. Uh next weeks week because my recency 1:58:28.858 --> 1:58:30.098 bias guy. This week? Do you have one? 1:58:31.058 --> 1:58:31.258 I do? 1:58:31.658 --> 1:58:35.298 I'll go really quick, Okay, I kind of like Isaiah Bond. 1:58:36.338 --> 1:58:38.937 Of course you do. He's fast, Like he's only fast. 1:58:39.098 --> 1:58:39.858 He's fast. 1:58:40.098 --> 1:58:42.057 So we're doing takwan again. 1:58:43.418 --> 1:58:46.418 I'm not letting you say that. I'm not letting what's 1:58:46.458 --> 1:58:50.217 the difference because Texas. That's the difference. 1:58:50.618 --> 1:58:51.897 Baylor is in Texas. 1:58:52.298 --> 1:58:55.858 Okay, but it's not Texas. All right, like you asked me, 1:58:56.778 --> 1:58:59.338 We're gonna relate this. Then I have one more thing 1:58:59.378 --> 1:59:00.937 that I really want to bring up. I know I 1:59:01.018 --> 1:59:04.578 do this every show. You asked me, who are the 1:59:04.658 --> 1:59:08.698 players in the college football playoff that could or like 1:59:08.858 --> 1:59:11.818 gain the most Okay, there's some obvious ones at the 1:59:11.858 --> 1:59:16.618 top of the draft, Abdull Carter connorly, you know, like 1:59:16.738 --> 1:59:19.178 guys like that that. You know, if they have instellar 1:59:19.338 --> 1:59:22.418 college football playoffs, they're gonna help their stock. To me, 1:59:22.778 --> 1:59:25.618 you know, Isaiah Bond's gonna see some real coverage now, right, 1:59:25.738 --> 1:59:29.138 Like he's gonna see Yeah, so they're gonna see some 1:59:29.258 --> 1:59:31.658 you know, one thing that boy Dabo can do his 1:59:31.738 --> 1:59:34.178 coach DB's like, that's the one thing that he's good at. 1:59:34.378 --> 1:59:36.937 Yeah, So Brett Vannable's a hell of a coach. So 1:59:37.338 --> 1:59:39.418 let's see, let's see what he does. You know, I 1:59:39.618 --> 1:59:42.057 I love the speed. I love the speed. I love 1:59:42.138 --> 1:59:45.458 the else. I love the separation ability to speed. What else? 1:59:45.618 --> 1:59:47.698 But to me, I just like, you know, I think 1:59:47.738 --> 1:59:50.018 the skill set translates, like I think he's gonna what 1:59:50.178 --> 1:59:54.258 is the skill set beside speed? Speed? So we're doing 1:59:54.298 --> 1:59:57.138 taekwon again. Drake needs somebody that that can win a 1:59:57.218 --> 1:59:59.498 go ball, That's all I'm saying. It sounds like Samuel 1:59:59.538 --> 2:00:03.338 Williams pretty fast too has changed direction. So mine, I'm 2:00:03.418 --> 2:00:05.778 fascinated by this guy. I still don't know how I 2:00:05.818 --> 2:00:11.378 feel about him as a patriot. Elijah Roberts from SMU. Yeah, so, yeah, 2:00:11.418 --> 2:00:12.937 you've been talking to me about this guy for We 2:00:12.978 --> 2:00:15.618 had one conversation with No. No, it's been days. So 2:00:16.098 --> 2:00:19.338 every almost everywhere he's listed at two ninety five ESPN 2:00:19.378 --> 2:00:21.178 has him been two seventy eight six four to seventy 2:00:21.218 --> 2:00:24.057 eight everywhere else. I bet two ninety five. He's among 2:00:24.098 --> 2:00:26.738 the nation's leaders and pressures like he gets after the quarterback. 2:00:26.738 --> 2:00:29.658 I'm like thinking, Okay, defensive end, he's like standing up, 2:00:29.738 --> 2:00:32.298 he's playing out side linebacker and at least two hundred 2:00:32.298 --> 2:00:34.937 and eighty five and ninety pounds getting after the quarter 2:00:35.338 --> 2:00:37.658 But he's not built like Keon White. Keon White doesn't 2:00:37.858 --> 2:00:41.018 like Elijah Roberts, looks like a defensive end, like he 2:00:41.098 --> 2:00:44.818 looks like a three four end, but he's standing up 2:00:44.937 --> 2:00:48.217 and chasing down running backs in the backfield and pursuing. 2:00:48.258 --> 2:00:50.218 You're literally describing ke White. 2:00:50.778 --> 2:00:52.618 Yeah, I guess, I don't know. 2:00:52.978 --> 2:00:55.058 I'm not saying that's as a bad thing is a 2:00:55.058 --> 2:00:56.658 good football Well, okay, so here's the other weird. 2:00:56.658 --> 2:00:58.338 I guess this is like Kean White. You'd think a 2:00:58.498 --> 2:01:01.418 big physical guy, right, wins with power. You can't defend 2:01:01.418 --> 2:01:05.498 the run. Ke On This is Mike confidence confidence Byron Coward. 2:01:05.698 --> 2:01:07.618 This is just he's not as exposed as ke On 2:01:07.658 --> 2:01:09.458 White is. All right, all right, fin, I'll give you 2:01:09.458 --> 2:01:13.578 another one. No, Michael Michael Kamara from Indiana second in 2:01:13.618 --> 2:01:17.618 the nation and pressures you've time six one, two, sixty. 2:01:17.658 --> 2:01:20.778 What do you do with him? Like undersized edge rusher. 2:01:20.578 --> 2:01:25.698 But undersized the length thinking to be an issue. Yeah, 2:01:25.937 --> 2:01:28.538 he's kind of like remember Mo Kamara last year, you 2:01:28.698 --> 2:01:29.818 liked him. I don't think they're re lated. 2:01:29.818 --> 2:01:33.498 I did like him. Okay, last thing? Who's college football payoff? 2:01:33.698 --> 2:01:33.738 No? 2:01:34.778 --> 2:01:35.058 Not that. 2:01:36.378 --> 2:01:41.698 So this is Todd emailing in and full disclosure. I'm 2:01:41.698 --> 2:01:44.377 sitting at a at a bar in Arizona on Saturday, 2:01:44.978 --> 2:01:47.178 and I sit down and there's a one of those 2:01:47.218 --> 2:01:49.097 things that called what they put on the table that's 2:01:49.138 --> 2:01:52.018 like an advertisement, like you know, like the little packard. 2:01:51.738 --> 2:01:52.538 The little placard. 2:01:52.818 --> 2:01:57.258 Sure at the table and I'm sit down and this 2:01:57.498 --> 2:02:00.218 guy that Todd emails in is on the placard and 2:02:00.378 --> 2:02:03.058 he's standing there with this big plate with this like 2:02:03.258 --> 2:02:04.858 giant hamburger on it. 2:02:05.258 --> 2:02:08.338 And I texted the picture to Barth instantly because it's 2:02:08.418 --> 2:02:12.937 the scatter Burger. Baby. It's Cam Scataboo, Welcome to Scatibo, 2:02:13.058 --> 2:02:15.698 Welcome to the NFL, Welcome to the nil Era. Yeah 2:02:15.778 --> 2:02:18.618 so Cam scattered, No, I couldn't get it had so 2:02:18.778 --> 2:02:22.298 much dairy in it, you know that. But Cam Scataboo 2:02:23.298 --> 2:02:26.138 is has a placard with his face on it, and 2:02:26.218 --> 2:02:28.578 he's standing there at the burger and it's the scatter 2:02:28.618 --> 2:02:33.057 Burger right next to Arizona State, and uh, the emailer asked, 2:02:33.498 --> 2:02:35.538 you know, if you're sitting there in the fourth round 2:02:35.658 --> 2:02:38.658 and Scataboo is there, are you taking him? There's gonna 2:02:38.658 --> 2:02:40.858 be better backs there than him at that point. But 2:02:41.178 --> 2:02:43.098 I'm not a post. Come on, you love it. 2:02:43.338 --> 2:02:43.498 I do. 2:02:43.658 --> 2:02:45.498 I love every running back in this draft. This is 2:02:45.538 --> 2:02:48.618 an insane running back. Love him. I like a lot 2:02:48.658 --> 2:02:52.778 of these backs. I'll take Kyle m Mike Alstott. Know 2:02:53.138 --> 2:02:56.298 you in that game and I said, I'm getting carried 2:02:56.298 --> 2:02:58.658 away here. Rockett Sanders will be on the board at 2:02:58.698 --> 2:03:00.578 that point. Film Maffa will be on the board at 2:03:00.618 --> 2:03:03.578 that point. I like Cam Scataboo. I think he's not 2:03:03.818 --> 2:03:07.977 he's His contact balance might be second to Jenty in 2:03:08.058 --> 2:03:11.338 this draft. Like he does not the first tackler never 2:03:11.418 --> 2:03:13.778 brings him down. Oh it's in the big twelve. We'll 2:03:13.778 --> 2:03:15.538 see him in the playoff. We'll see what it looks like. 2:03:15.897 --> 2:03:18.458 But he's also a capable receiver. He's not James White. 2:03:18.498 --> 2:03:21.658 He's a capable receiver. He's a good pass blocker, and 2:03:22.018 --> 2:03:25.258 they run some wildcat quarterback stuff with him. Not saying 2:03:25.298 --> 2:03:26.818 that I would do that here, but like, if you 2:03:26.858 --> 2:03:29.257 want to start doing some of that weird gadget stuff 2:03:29.618 --> 2:03:31.858 with Drake May, He's gonna be a good guy to 2:03:31.937 --> 2:03:34.097 have in the backfield with him. He fits the mold 2:03:34.178 --> 2:03:35.977 of this running back they have of like a guy 2:03:36.018 --> 2:03:38.178 who can do a little bit of everything. We see 2:03:38.218 --> 2:03:40.898 it with Antonio Gibson. We obviously know with Ramandre Stevenson 2:03:41.578 --> 2:03:44.218 he fits that mold. He'd be another good piece. I 2:03:44.578 --> 2:03:46.338 like him. I wouldn't be upset if they draft him. 2:03:46.698 --> 2:03:51.338 I think just he doesn't have that elite level athleticism. 2:03:51.578 --> 2:03:53.698 He's also a little bit older. That caps the ceiling. 2:03:53.738 --> 2:03:55.977 He has more carries on him. So that's why if 2:03:55.978 --> 2:03:58.098 we're talking about the fourth round, there might be some 2:03:58.218 --> 2:04:01.458 other guys I'd look at, But if they got him 2:04:01.498 --> 2:04:03.498 in like the sixth, I'd be a great pick and 2:04:03.578 --> 2:04:05.178 it would mean they address some other things a little 2:04:05.258 --> 2:04:09.618 higher up in the draft. Oregon wins. It's gonna be Oregon. 2:04:09.778 --> 2:04:12.098 My preseason pick was Ohio States, Like I'm sticking with 2:04:12.218 --> 2:04:15.897 that out of default, but Ryan Day or Ohio State 2:04:15.978 --> 2:04:17.897 is the best roster in the tournament. Ohio State is 2:04:17.937 --> 2:04:19.778 the most talent in the tournament. I don't know if 2:04:19.778 --> 2:04:24.418 they can overcome Ryan Day and their quarterbacks. Thinks. I 2:04:24.538 --> 2:04:26.818 think some of that's the coaching. He's so much worse 2:04:26.858 --> 2:04:29.338 now than he was at Kansas State. Quarterbacks bad. I 2:04:30.218 --> 2:04:34.458 think Debt Oregon has the better coach by far. How 2:04:34.498 --> 2:04:35.937 do you feel about him making the NFL jump? I 2:04:35.978 --> 2:04:36.658 been getting that question. 2:04:36.698 --> 2:04:38.578 I was gonna say that if I if I was 2:04:38.698 --> 2:04:40.897 Dan Lanning, if I was an NFL team that had 2:04:40.897 --> 2:04:44.298 an opening this offseason, one of my calls would be 2:04:44.338 --> 2:04:46.458 throwing a bag at Dan Lanning. I think he's just 2:04:46.538 --> 2:04:49.978 a great coach, so, you know, great defensive mind, great motivator. 2:04:50.498 --> 2:04:52.618 Since two thousand, you know, there's only two coaches that 2:04:52.778 --> 2:04:57.138 have had their first their first NFL job as a 2:04:57.178 --> 2:04:59.458 head job coming from college with a record over five. 2:04:59.378 --> 2:05:05.338 Hundred Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh and Bill O'Brien. Oh and they're 2:05:05.338 --> 2:05:09.257 just like like I. As a rule of thumb, primary 2:05:09.338 --> 2:05:11.937 college coaches do not have success in the NFL January. 2:05:12.098 --> 2:05:14.698 I generally believe that I would rather hire somebody with 2:05:14.778 --> 2:05:17.378 NFL experience of any NFL team. That being said, if 2:05:17.458 --> 2:05:19.538 anybody right now is making the jump from the college 2:05:19.578 --> 2:05:22.578 to the pros. It's Dan Lanner. So Dan Lanning really quickly. 2:05:22.738 --> 2:05:25.018 It reminds me a little bit of like the defense's 2:05:25.138 --> 2:05:27.858 version of Sean McVay, Like where like he has the 2:05:28.418 --> 2:05:31.057 he has a great schemer on the d defensive side 2:05:31.098 --> 2:05:33.258 of the ball, that's an elite trade, but he. 2:05:33.258 --> 2:05:35.458 Can also get away from this Mickey mouse offense he's running. 2:05:35.538 --> 2:05:38.018 But he also kind of has that motivator and that 2:05:38.218 --> 2:05:41.458 like sort of like leader called the college Dan Campbell. 2:05:42.058 --> 2:05:44.258 I don't, yeah, but I think that he's smarter than 2:05:44.378 --> 2:05:47.377 Dan Campbell well in terms of that like leadership leader. 2:05:47.178 --> 2:05:50.297 Right, That's why I went to I feel like McVeigh 2:05:50.418 --> 2:05:53.297 is like both mcvagh has that too. No, there's definitely 2:05:53.818 --> 2:05:56.778 there's definitely some Evan there. Andy's in the Nick Saban 2:05:56.858 --> 2:06:00.937 Kirby smart trade. Yeah, good coach. I Dan Lanning to 2:06:01.058 --> 2:06:03.298 me is the best coach in college football right now. 2:06:03.498 --> 2:06:06.538 I don't think it's close. You can have Lane, you 2:06:06.618 --> 2:06:09.138 can have Sark, you can have Kirby, and I know 2:06:09.258 --> 2:06:12.378 some of those guys have rings. Kirby's a legend. Kirby's 2:06:12.378 --> 2:06:14.058 a legend. I think Dan Lanning's the best coach in 2:06:14.058 --> 2:06:17.897 college footballer Kirby. Kirby's good. Yeah, how much control does 2:06:17.937 --> 2:06:19.897 he have in his program? Kirby's stamp? How much control 2:06:19.897 --> 2:06:22.218 does he Kirby's stamp. Kirby's a great coach. I'm not 2:06:22.218 --> 2:06:24.218 saying he's not a great coach. If I could pick 2:06:24.258 --> 2:06:25.937 any coach in college football right now to start a 2:06:25.937 --> 2:06:27.097 program with, it's Dan Lanning. 2:06:27.338 --> 2:06:30.618 All right, we can finally wrap. Now you got all 2:06:30.658 --> 2:06:33.698 your college football takes. I have more, but yeah, you got. 2:06:33.858 --> 2:06:37.138 You're done doing Taekwon Thornton again. Oh God, don't know 2:06:37.258 --> 2:06:40.017 he's better than Taekwon. Why you haven't told me why? 2:06:40.218 --> 2:06:41.418 I don't have a good reason. 2:06:41.458 --> 2:06:44.698 I just think I test he's better. So he's faster, No, 2:06:45.018 --> 2:06:47.458 he's just like he's not as like, he's not as 2:06:47.698 --> 2:06:49.738 as as frail. I think he weighs like one hundred 2:06:49.738 --> 2:06:50.778 and sixty pounds, all right. 2:06:50.937 --> 2:06:53.298 And I like, isay you bought this? 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