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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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Speaker 1: inside Jillette Stadium for rousing conversations on everything New England, Patriots,

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Speaker 1: and NFL. Join host Fred Kersh alongside Patriots dot COM's

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Speaker 1: Paul Parillo, Mike Desso, Evan Lazar, Tamara Brown, and Alex

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Speaker 1: Francisco as they bring you in depth coverage of the team.

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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: really that's his rookie season essentially too, So now we're

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Speaker 2: really not talking about them, really knowing.

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Speaker 1: Search for Patriots Unfiltered anywhere you get your podcasts. This

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Speaker 1: is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 4: Hello, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 2: Joined as always, buy our bark.

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Speaker 2: That I agree with, And this is the only part

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Speaker 2: of your take that I agree with that I find

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Speaker 2: interesting A little bit.

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Speaker 4: He said that about like three or four things.

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Speaker 2: But okay, you kept saying that. I kept saying that

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Speaker 2: I find this interesting, and I actually went back and

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Speaker 2: listened to, which I don't often do, but I did

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Speaker 2: to that part because I felt myself doing that radio

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Speaker 2: and I absolutely said, like four times about four different

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Speaker 2: things that I was claiming, wasn't an interesting somebody?

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Speaker 4: Somebody's going to be watching some North Carolina football next

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Speaker 4: year come the.

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Speaker 2: Fall, to be fair, to be fair, like it's Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 2: like where you were, I work for the Patriots. Like

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Speaker 2: obviously it's obvious that I would be interested in Bill.

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Speaker 4: That was the whole take. That was it.

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Speaker 2: It's Bill Belichick's putting a team on the field. How

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Speaker 2: was that not interesting?

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Speaker 4: That was the take? Yeah, but that that's me, Like

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about like I think like some Patriots Dick

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Speaker 4: and Larry, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Like I'm not talking about me like I'm the

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Speaker 2: target audience for anything. Bill Belichick is a.

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Speaker 4: Is an NFL exclusive fan in Boston, anywhere anywhere besides

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Speaker 4: New England gonna watch maybe not. I think Patriots fans

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Speaker 4: are going to be interested because it is Bill Belichick. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean that that's valid. That's Veld. That's the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: No, you did, you were gushing a little bit about

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Speaker 2: college football. All right, calm down, bother I do that.

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Speaker 4: That is it has gone right up Felger's tail by.

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Speaker 2: That that has made my week, just constantly ripping you

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Speaker 2: and calling you barthy.

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Speaker 4: And all of it. He calls me Barty one where

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Speaker 4: it is fantastic.

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Speaker 4: When does Jordan Love get his Toyota deal? I didn't

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Speaker 4: know about this, so I'll pull up the numbers for you.

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Speaker 4: but like the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots,

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Speaker 4: just just save it for a little Okay. I do

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Speaker 4: want to talk some Patriots and then we can get

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Speaker 4: into the well. I was trying to line it up

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Speaker 4: what do you got? So Jordan Love during Toyota thon,

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Speaker 4: So this it's a what's it called? It's an anomaly? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to find the actual distribution of the numbers.

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Speaker 4: Jordan Love in his career is like night and day,

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Speaker 4: a different quarterback during Toyota thon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but isn't that just lining up with He's better

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Speaker 4: It's not just this year, it's career. So Jordan Love

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Speaker 4: touchdown interception ratio not during Toyota than for his career, Okay,

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Speaker 4: twenty nine and twenty five, twenty nine touchdowns, twenty nine picks. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Jordan Love and thirty two hundred yards Jordan Love during

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Speaker 2: He's an MVP of the league when it's Toyota than like, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Jordan this year during Toyota than sixty nine completion percentage,

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Speaker 2: A little bit of Jordan Love and Drake May I know,

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Speaker 4: But I want to we need to figure out what

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Speaker 4: Hopefully it's not super summer for Drake May. That doesn't

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Speaker 4: something in January?

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Speaker 2: Maybe you know something.

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Speaker 4: December Toyota Thon ends. The last Sunday of the regular season.

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Speaker 4: Is the last Sunday during Toyota Than. Okay, so Toyota

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Speaker 4: maybe he gets a deal with Toyota and he gets

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Speaker 4: him to push that. But I love it.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's get back to the task at hand

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Speaker 2: and talk a little bit about the Patriots. I understand

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Speaker 4: But as you can imagine Alex. The one thing that

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Speaker 2: Just just bothers me a little bit about the discourse

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Speaker 2: I want to preface that by saying, like, this is

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Speaker 2: when I watch and listen and hear and read people

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Speaker 2: to actually talk about the actual football of what's going

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Speaker 2: And one of the things you know with press conferences,

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Speaker 2: that press conference. If you asked me that day, do

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Speaker 4: I would tell you no.

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Speaker 2: I would also say the same thing about Bill, Like Bill,

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Speaker 2: the way he conducted himself at press conferences was criticized

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Speaker 2: for twenty five years, and then to go even to

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Speaker 2: he got Patrick Mahomes and he just didn't matter, right.

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Speaker 2: And plus now the Chiefs are great late in games,

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Speaker 2: if you're a good coach, I think you learn how

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Speaker 2: I think you learn all of these CEO type elements

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Speaker 2: like I am seeing enough of that, Sure you can

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Speaker 2: unpack from there, but no, I'll just I'll.

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Speaker 4: Echo something Felger said this week, like I don't I

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Speaker 4: care more about So the comment was that you said

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Speaker 4: that not me, right, Yeah, was in regards to essentially

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Speaker 4: I care a lot more that they didn't pick up

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Speaker 4: It's it's just a winning cures all thing. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 4: look at Joe Mizula. Joe Mizula says weird stuff in

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Speaker 4: we just kind of laugh about it.

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Speaker 4: So now, obviously Joe Missoula is it's it's not to

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Speaker 4: ready in a short time a very impressive resume. But

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Speaker 4: the point being, at the end of the day, they're

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Speaker 4: losing football games, and everything becomes more frustrating when you're

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Speaker 4: you're losing. And I'm with you. That's not to say

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Speaker 4: he there aren't things to clean up in the press conference.

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Speaker 4: There certainly are. If he's giving you know, the ninety

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Speaker 4: eight Michael Jordan of press conference, right, the seven Tom

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Speaker 4: thank you, you know, the the you know, two thousand

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Speaker 4: Ken Griffe Junior press conferences. Yea, and they're still only

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Speaker 4: winning three games a year. I really won't care, Like

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Speaker 4: that doesn't mean anything to me. Win the games and

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Speaker 4: I'm with you, like, if you want to talk about

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Speaker 4: what's being said at the press conference is like, I

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Speaker 4: get it, it's a I understand why it's a story.

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Speaker 4: I'm not faulting anybody from talking for talking about it.

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Speaker 4: Mean too. I guess my point is more in especially

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Speaker 4: that are being asked that are leading to these answers, Right,

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Speaker 4: what's going wrong on the field, Because if you start

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Speaker 4: had two chances to gain one yard convincingly and I

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Speaker 4: still think there was a bad spot on the third down,

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Speaker 4: but they had two chances to pick up one yard

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Speaker 4: convincingly and couldn't do it. You pick up that yard,

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Speaker 4: and I think the rest takes care of itself. I

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Speaker 4: don't think, well, he needs to be better in press conferences.

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Speaker 4: Could he be better? Yeah, I'm not saying he couldn't.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't do anything if the product on the field

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think that not a lot of people

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Speaker 2: want to have the conversations of like, what's going actually

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Speaker 2: So here's the thing though, Like Kyle Shanahan brings one

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Speaker 2: That's that's the trade off, right, The trade off is, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: get you know, you people like you. The time management,

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Speaker 2: So they're defensively right now, the you know, the number

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and what's troubling about that is just to play

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Speaker 4: And we've done this the last few years with the defense.

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Speaker 4: I get they've lost guys due to injuries, but even

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Speaker 2: get put in binds by the Patriots right now, and

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00:21:16,418 --> 00:21:19,018
Speaker 2: either side of the ball where oh, like they're doing

434
00:21:19,058 --> 00:21:23,218
Speaker 2: something that's really innovative or really creative that we have it,

435
00:21:23,338 --> 00:21:25,858
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to have a plan against, like we're

436
00:21:25,858 --> 00:21:28,538
Speaker 2: gonna have to have a plan against the Blitz package,

437
00:21:28,618 --> 00:21:31,858
Speaker 2: or a plan against some sort of wrinkle on the

438
00:21:31,858 --> 00:21:34,418
Speaker 2: defensive side of the football, like you might see what

439
00:21:34,898 --> 00:21:37,618
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald or Brian Floores, or like one of these

440
00:21:37,658 --> 00:21:39,898
Speaker 2: coaches that do dial things up.

441
00:21:40,938 --> 00:21:42,218
Speaker 4: I mentioned Demiko.

442
00:21:41,978 --> 00:21:45,298
Speaker 2: Ryans earlier in the show, Like those guys are constantly

443
00:21:45,818 --> 00:21:49,578
Speaker 2: challenging the opposing offense schematically, and I don't see that

444
00:21:49,618 --> 00:21:52,138
Speaker 2: with this defense right now. I see them being very

445
00:21:52,178 --> 00:21:56,458
Speaker 2: vanilla and very easy to decipher. And that puts you

446
00:21:56,498 --> 00:21:59,138
Speaker 2: in a position where your players just kind of have

447
00:21:59,258 --> 00:22:02,298
Speaker 2: to make plays. And Christian Gonzalez is sort of the

448
00:22:02,298 --> 00:22:05,458
Speaker 2: only guy in that secondary that truly is capable of

449
00:22:05,538 --> 00:22:08,498
Speaker 2: down in and down out making plays on the ball,

450
00:22:08,778 --> 00:22:10,658
Speaker 2: and so it really puts you in a tough position.

451
00:22:10,698 --> 00:22:12,858
Speaker 2: And the other thing that I wanted to bring up

452
00:22:12,898 --> 00:22:15,698
Speaker 2: defensively that we can move over to the offense is

453
00:22:16,738 --> 00:22:18,858
Speaker 2: they've always been a two gapping system. Like I think

454
00:22:18,898 --> 00:22:21,417
Speaker 2: they're always going to be a two gaping system. I

455
00:22:21,498 --> 00:22:24,098
Speaker 2: understand why. I understand that it has its advantages and

456
00:22:24,138 --> 00:22:26,698
Speaker 2: things like that. But in order to be a great

457
00:22:26,818 --> 00:22:31,298
Speaker 2: two gaping team, the Mike linebacker needs to be a sledgehammer,

458
00:22:31,418 --> 00:22:34,498
Speaker 2: Like he just needs to be a Jwan Bentley, a

459
00:22:34,578 --> 00:22:38,818
Speaker 2: Dante high Tower and Roberts I brought him up the

460
00:22:38,858 --> 00:22:41,818
Speaker 2: other day even like going back aways to Ted Johnson, right,

461
00:22:41,818 --> 00:22:44,338
Speaker 2: like you always had somebody in the middle of the

462
00:22:44,338 --> 00:22:47,018
Speaker 2: defense that could take a guard on and put that

463
00:22:47,058 --> 00:22:50,578
Speaker 2: guy on his heels, right and now, is nothing against

464
00:22:50,778 --> 00:22:56,417
Speaker 2: their their linebackers, Johnny Devii, Christian Ellison, Taki, those guys

465
00:22:56,458 --> 00:22:57,618
Speaker 2: just aren't that.

466
00:22:57,818 --> 00:22:59,937
Speaker 4: They're not that kind of player. That's not who they are,

467
00:22:59,978 --> 00:23:04,338
Speaker 4: the coverish linebackers, right, so well Tavia's played that role

468
00:23:04,338 --> 00:23:07,658
Speaker 4: at times this year, but overall sorry yeah yeah.

469
00:23:07,698 --> 00:23:12,218
Speaker 2: So the biggest thing though, is that when they have

470
00:23:12,258 --> 00:23:14,938
Speaker 2: a guy like that, the biggest reason why that is

471
00:23:14,938 --> 00:23:18,458
Speaker 2: is so key to the defense is that it compresses space. Right, Like,

472
00:23:18,658 --> 00:23:21,818
Speaker 2: all you're doing is you're bottling up the runner. Like

473
00:23:21,858 --> 00:23:23,578
Speaker 2: there's a lot of times if you go, And we

474
00:23:23,618 --> 00:23:26,738
Speaker 2: watched Jawan Bentley that he doesn't actually make the tackle,

475
00:23:27,138 --> 00:23:30,618
Speaker 2: but he's compressing the space and he's blowing up the

476
00:23:30,618 --> 00:23:33,697
Speaker 2: blocking scheme so that somebody else can come in and

477
00:23:33,698 --> 00:23:36,338
Speaker 2: make the tackle, right, or multiple people can come in

478
00:23:36,378 --> 00:23:38,818
Speaker 2: and make the tackle. So what's happening a lot of

479
00:23:38,818 --> 00:23:41,778
Speaker 2: the time. And I thought the uh the fifty three

480
00:23:41,858 --> 00:23:44,177
Speaker 2: yarder by James Connor was a great example of this.

481
00:23:44,698 --> 00:23:47,738
Speaker 2: You know, they have the polar coming across. Marcus Jones

482
00:23:47,818 --> 00:23:49,458
Speaker 2: is like the nickel on that side of the field.

483
00:23:49,498 --> 00:23:51,778
Speaker 2: He does his best, but like he's five eight one

484
00:23:51,898 --> 00:23:55,538
Speaker 2: eighties play to make right, so he he tries his

485
00:23:55,618 --> 00:23:58,778
Speaker 2: best to hold up the polar. But Jabriel Peppers is

486
00:23:58,818 --> 00:24:01,618
Speaker 2: put in a spot where there's just a lot of

487
00:24:01,778 --> 00:24:04,098
Speaker 2: room for James Connor to make a cut right, Like

488
00:24:04,098 --> 00:24:07,978
Speaker 2: there's just not anybody compressing the space so that he

489
00:24:08,058 --> 00:24:10,778
Speaker 2: can just take him on straight on. Like James Connor

490
00:24:10,858 --> 00:24:12,818
Speaker 2: essentially has a two way go like he could go,

491
00:24:12,978 --> 00:24:15,298
Speaker 2: he could have gotten around him both ways. And so

492
00:24:15,418 --> 00:24:17,818
Speaker 2: now if you're Jabriel Peppers, you're just kind of sitting

493
00:24:17,858 --> 00:24:20,418
Speaker 2: there like waiting for him to declare, and it's just

494
00:24:20,538 --> 00:24:23,538
Speaker 2: really difficult to then make that stop and make that play.

495
00:24:23,818 --> 00:24:25,578
Speaker 2: So I look at a lot of the things that

496
00:24:25,618 --> 00:24:29,378
Speaker 2: are happening from a run defense standpoint as like, okay,

497
00:24:29,418 --> 00:24:32,218
Speaker 2: well you're your front mechanics might need to change, Like

498
00:24:32,258 --> 00:24:35,298
Speaker 2: you can't be a two gapping defense if you don't

499
00:24:35,298 --> 00:24:37,138
Speaker 2: have the horses to go out there and be an

500
00:24:37,138 --> 00:24:40,417
Speaker 2: effective two gaping defense. Now, on that particular play, they

501
00:24:40,418 --> 00:24:42,378
Speaker 2: did try to run like a little bit of a stunt,

502
00:24:42,578 --> 00:24:45,538
Speaker 2: like to get a little bit more penetration. But like,

503
00:24:45,778 --> 00:24:49,338
Speaker 2: in general, I just think it's really difficult to play

504
00:24:49,458 --> 00:24:54,058
Speaker 2: a two gapping defense without a really really good, hard

505
00:24:54,098 --> 00:24:58,778
Speaker 2: hitting mike linebacker, like even like guys like freaking terrez Hall,

506
00:24:59,058 --> 00:25:01,018
Speaker 2: like who was like on the team in twenty twenty,

507
00:25:01,258 --> 00:25:03,498
Speaker 2: Like he wasn't a great player, but he could he

508
00:25:03,538 --> 00:25:04,698
Speaker 2: could take on a guard.

509
00:25:04,818 --> 00:25:06,458
Speaker 4: That was the one thing I like teres Hall because

510
00:25:06,498 --> 00:25:08,978
Speaker 4: it was the one thing he did. He lowered the hammer,

511
00:25:09,018 --> 00:25:10,338
Speaker 4: by the way, he was here last year.

512
00:25:10,618 --> 00:25:13,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that. I liked terres Hall too, And

513
00:25:13,298 --> 00:25:15,498
Speaker 2: and that was the main reason is like you saw

514
00:25:15,578 --> 00:25:18,178
Speaker 2: the role that he could play in the defense. Was

515
00:25:18,218 --> 00:25:21,898
Speaker 2: he like prime ray Lewis? No, but you saw a role. Okay,

516
00:25:21,938 --> 00:25:24,138
Speaker 2: this is what he does for this defense. So I

517
00:25:24,578 --> 00:25:26,938
Speaker 2: just wonder when it comes to like tweaks and things

518
00:25:26,938 --> 00:25:29,178
Speaker 2: like that on the defense side of the ball, if

519
00:25:29,218 --> 00:25:32,418
Speaker 2: there was ever or is ever a consideration that two

520
00:25:32,458 --> 00:25:35,578
Speaker 2: gapping would these this personnel, Like even looking at defensive

521
00:25:35,658 --> 00:25:38,858
Speaker 2: end now they have Barmore back now, but like, is

522
00:25:38,938 --> 00:25:42,818
Speaker 2: Daniel a Qualley like a true two gapping defensive end. No,

523
00:25:42,898 --> 00:25:45,138
Speaker 2: he'd like he would be much better suited if you

524
00:25:45,218 --> 00:25:46,978
Speaker 2: let him get into a gap and get up the

525
00:25:46,978 --> 00:25:49,618
Speaker 2: field a little bit. So I know I'm picking on

526
00:25:49,858 --> 00:25:51,898
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of schematic stuff with the defense,

527
00:25:51,938 --> 00:25:55,178
Speaker 2: but I just I understand that people have this overarching

528
00:25:55,218 --> 00:25:56,417
Speaker 2: thing a lot of you know, we get a lot

529
00:25:56,458 --> 00:25:59,978
Speaker 2: of calls and emails being like, look at the talent

530
00:26:00,058 --> 00:26:01,058
Speaker 2: on the roster right.

531
00:26:01,218 --> 00:26:03,978
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I was talking to somebody about this earlier,

532
00:26:04,058 --> 00:26:07,138
Speaker 4: Like for all the criticism of the coaching, and I'm

533
00:26:07,218 --> 00:26:12,698
Speaker 4: not saying that it's not warranted. Yeah, Like, don't we

534
00:26:13,138 --> 00:26:15,698
Speaker 4: talked a lot at the beginning of the year about

535
00:26:16,098 --> 00:26:18,218
Speaker 4: the roster and the shape it's in. Yeah, And I

536
00:26:18,338 --> 00:26:21,458
Speaker 4: understand that you know, that's been talked about and that's

537
00:26:21,498 --> 00:26:25,978
Speaker 4: more of an offseason topic and all that and change. Yeah,

538
00:26:26,018 --> 00:26:28,098
Speaker 4: over the last few weeks. So I just like the

539
00:26:28,138 --> 00:26:32,378
Speaker 4: coaching stuff shouldn't overshadow the talent on the roster. I said,

540
00:26:32,418 --> 00:26:34,378
Speaker 4: it's not fair to talk about defensively.

541
00:26:35,418 --> 00:26:38,258
Speaker 2: I truly believe that they are not the thirtieth worst

542
00:26:38,418 --> 00:26:39,778
Speaker 2: defense in the league on paper.

543
00:26:40,498 --> 00:26:43,058
Speaker 4: That's fair. I truly believe that. Now. Do I think

544
00:26:43,058 --> 00:26:44,898
Speaker 4: that they're an elite defense on paper?

545
00:26:45,738 --> 00:26:46,298
Speaker 2: No?

546
00:26:46,298 --> 00:26:48,978
Speaker 4: No, And were they ever going to be? Probably not.

547
00:26:49,618 --> 00:26:52,218
Speaker 2: Maybe if they had everybody healthy and running at one

548
00:26:52,258 --> 00:26:55,138
Speaker 2: hundred percent, they could have been, you know, an average

549
00:26:55,138 --> 00:26:57,938
Speaker 2: to above average defense like they were last year, right Like,

550
00:26:58,018 --> 00:27:00,618
Speaker 2: I think that that's realistic in terms of their talent

551
00:27:00,698 --> 00:27:03,978
Speaker 2: on the roster. Now, they're probably middling at best in

552
00:27:04,058 --> 00:27:06,338
Speaker 2: terms of talent, but they're not thirtieth and they have

553
00:27:06,418 --> 00:27:08,978
Speaker 2: a number one corner. They have a young player in

554
00:27:09,098 --> 00:27:11,578
Speaker 2: Keon White that can get after quarterbacks on third down.

555
00:27:12,098 --> 00:27:15,178
Speaker 2: They have guys that I always like that are those

556
00:27:15,258 --> 00:27:20,258
Speaker 2: hard hat lunch paale guys, godshow whys to buy, you know,

557
00:27:20,458 --> 00:27:23,098
Speaker 2: dugger peppers like these guys have been around and played

558
00:27:23,138 --> 00:27:25,138
Speaker 2: a lot of football in the NFL, and they've done

559
00:27:25,178 --> 00:27:26,938
Speaker 2: it a lot better than what we've seen them do

560
00:27:27,018 --> 00:27:29,778
Speaker 2: it this year. So that's the troubling thing for me.

561
00:27:29,818 --> 00:27:31,778
Speaker 2: On defense, I just don't know where you go with

562
00:27:31,818 --> 00:27:36,058
Speaker 2: that if it's not going to be Jirod fixing it, right, Like,

563
00:27:36,098 --> 00:27:37,858
Speaker 2: if it's not going to be Girod fixing it, like

564
00:27:37,858 --> 00:27:40,538
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of well, why don't they just

565
00:27:40,578 --> 00:27:42,218
Speaker 2: get the Ben mcado a defense?

566
00:27:42,538 --> 00:27:44,538
Speaker 4: Well, isn't that supposed to be? Yeah, we talked about

567
00:27:44,578 --> 00:27:46,258
Speaker 4: this last week, right, you.

568
00:27:46,218 --> 00:27:48,778
Speaker 2: Know, so you're in a tough spot in there on defense.

569
00:27:48,818 --> 00:27:50,778
Speaker 2: Moving over to the offense, there's a lot of things

570
00:27:50,818 --> 00:27:53,258
Speaker 2: that were said today at Alex Van Pelt's press conference.

571
00:27:53,458 --> 00:27:55,098
Speaker 2: I think a lot of them are relatable to what

572
00:27:55,178 --> 00:27:57,858
Speaker 2: I was going to say anyways. But on the offensive

573
00:27:57,858 --> 00:28:00,218
Speaker 2: side of the ball, I really just felt like it's

574
00:28:00,298 --> 00:28:03,618
Speaker 2: kind of a double whammy here in terms of this

575
00:28:03,698 --> 00:28:06,978
Speaker 2: game against Arizona. One, I don't think they were very

576
00:28:06,978 --> 00:28:09,378
Speaker 2: well prepared for this game against the Cardinals. It was

577
00:28:09,378 --> 00:28:11,778
Speaker 2: a it was a different opponent. They don't play a

578
00:28:11,818 --> 00:28:14,938
Speaker 2: ton you know. It's one of those weird, like you know,

579
00:28:14,978 --> 00:28:18,618
Speaker 2: other conference, like every four years type of games, right, Yeah,

580
00:28:18,658 --> 00:28:20,978
Speaker 2: And I think that they got caught off guard by

581
00:28:21,018 --> 00:28:22,418
Speaker 2: a few things that Arizona did.

582
00:28:22,658 --> 00:28:25,458
Speaker 4: The number one thing. Arizona is one of these teams.

583
00:28:25,538 --> 00:28:27,218
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about the Colts being sort of

584
00:28:27,258 --> 00:28:29,618
Speaker 2: a do what you do defense, and we talked about

585
00:28:30,738 --> 00:28:33,138
Speaker 2: the Bills really being that, Like the Bills are really

586
00:28:33,378 --> 00:28:37,978
Speaker 2: a pretty straightforward defense too. The Cardinals, especially up front,

587
00:28:38,378 --> 00:28:41,778
Speaker 2: they change a lot with their fronts, right like they

588
00:28:41,778 --> 00:28:44,778
Speaker 2: have they run a lot of different varieties of different fronts,

589
00:28:45,218 --> 00:28:48,258
Speaker 2: and they are constantly like shifting the line like right

590
00:28:48,298 --> 00:28:50,298
Speaker 2: before the snap, and they like they do a lot

591
00:28:50,338 --> 00:28:54,338
Speaker 2: of things. And you know, some of it with guys

592
00:28:54,338 --> 00:28:56,898
Speaker 2: like Vederian Low, like he just didn't block the guy right, Like,

593
00:28:56,938 --> 00:28:59,018
Speaker 2: I get that, but a lot of it, you know,

594
00:28:59,018 --> 00:29:00,538
Speaker 2: there was a lot of times in this game, at

595
00:29:00,578 --> 00:29:02,978
Speaker 2: least three or four times where Vederian Low was just

596
00:29:02,978 --> 00:29:05,698
Speaker 2: like blocking air, like he was just blocking an open gap.

597
00:29:05,738 --> 00:29:08,178
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking to myself, like, how is this happening?

598
00:29:08,258 --> 00:29:08,418
Speaker 5: Right?

599
00:29:08,458 --> 00:29:11,498
Speaker 2: Like, how are these things happening? And they're talking to

600
00:29:11,538 --> 00:29:14,698
Speaker 2: some of the linemen. It sounded like they were a

601
00:29:14,738 --> 00:29:17,378
Speaker 2: little bit off with like their points and stuff like

602
00:29:17,418 --> 00:29:20,098
Speaker 2: that of Okay, you know we're gonna have you're gonna

603
00:29:20,138 --> 00:29:22,458
Speaker 2: have this gap. Well, what happens when they shift and

604
00:29:22,498 --> 00:29:24,938
Speaker 2: there's nobody in that gap right, you know. Now, now

605
00:29:24,938 --> 00:29:26,218
Speaker 2: who am I blocking? You know?

606
00:29:26,658 --> 00:29:27,858
Speaker 4: And now a lot of that happened.

607
00:29:27,858 --> 00:29:31,178
Speaker 2: And the other name that came up was budh They

608
00:29:31,218 --> 00:29:36,058
Speaker 2: had a tough time declaring what Buddha Baker was when

609
00:29:36,058 --> 00:29:38,138
Speaker 2: he was in the box. Is he a safety? Is

610
00:29:38,138 --> 00:29:40,498
Speaker 2: he a linebacker? Is he on the tight end? Is

611
00:29:40,498 --> 00:29:41,098
Speaker 2: he blitzing?

612
00:29:41,258 --> 00:29:41,458
Speaker 4: Right?

613
00:29:41,498 --> 00:29:41,618
Speaker 6: Like?

614
00:29:41,618 --> 00:29:44,458
Speaker 4: What is right? What is he? And these are the types.

615
00:29:44,218 --> 00:29:46,778
Speaker 2: Of things that you go into a game and you know,

616
00:29:47,018 --> 00:29:49,258
Speaker 2: the center comes to the line of scrimmage and the

617
00:29:49,298 --> 00:29:52,418
Speaker 2: center calls out the front four down, three down, right,

618
00:29:52,498 --> 00:29:55,378
Speaker 2: like they call out the front even odd and then

619
00:29:55,458 --> 00:29:59,258
Speaker 2: they have rules of like this is how we're treating

620
00:29:59,738 --> 00:30:03,058
Speaker 2: these players, right, So these are the linemen have you know,

621
00:30:03,178 --> 00:30:05,418
Speaker 2: five guys that they can block? So these are the

622
00:30:05,498 --> 00:30:09,298
Speaker 2: five guys the linemen are responsible for. If this guy comes,

623
00:30:09,298 --> 00:30:11,498
Speaker 2: if that guy comes, it's on the quarterback, it's on

624
00:30:11,618 --> 00:30:14,218
Speaker 2: you know, the back and bit blitz pick up, like

625
00:30:14,258 --> 00:30:16,658
Speaker 2: you have different rules. I thought in this game, what

626
00:30:16,698 --> 00:30:20,898
Speaker 2: they really struggled with was that sort of coordination of

627
00:30:21,178 --> 00:30:24,058
Speaker 2: what are we calling this? What are we declaring Buddha Baker?

628
00:30:24,298 --> 00:30:26,098
Speaker 2: You know, how are we setting the mic? If this

629
00:30:26,218 --> 00:30:29,018
Speaker 2: is the way that they're tilted, like those types of things.

630
00:30:29,338 --> 00:30:31,018
Speaker 2: And again I go back to what I said to

631
00:30:31,058 --> 00:30:34,738
Speaker 2: before about controllables, like that's a controllable right, Like that

632
00:30:34,938 --> 00:30:39,458
Speaker 2: is not oh Vederian low Whift trying to block Brandon Browning.

633
00:30:39,778 --> 00:30:43,218
Speaker 2: That is a controllable aspect of the game. That even

634
00:30:43,258 --> 00:30:46,498
Speaker 2: if you have a plan going into the game and

635
00:30:46,538 --> 00:30:49,418
Speaker 2: it's a bad plan, if you're all on the same page,

636
00:30:49,778 --> 00:30:50,778
Speaker 2: then it might still work.

637
00:30:51,138 --> 00:30:51,338
Speaker 4: Right.

638
00:30:51,698 --> 00:30:54,538
Speaker 2: That's that's really how a lot of these things go down,

639
00:30:54,818 --> 00:30:57,018
Speaker 2: Like it could in hindsight, you could look back on

640
00:30:57,058 --> 00:30:58,538
Speaker 2: that and be like, I don't know how it worked,

641
00:30:58,538 --> 00:31:00,338
Speaker 2: like that was kind of an awful plan, but we

642
00:31:00,378 --> 00:31:02,698
Speaker 2: got away with it because everybody was on the same

643
00:31:02,738 --> 00:31:05,458
Speaker 2: page and everybody was doing the same thing. In this game,

644
00:31:05,498 --> 00:31:09,458
Speaker 2: there was way too much of confusion upfront from the

645
00:31:09,498 --> 00:31:12,778
Speaker 2: offensive line. They don't have the talent to get away

646
00:31:12,818 --> 00:31:15,418
Speaker 2: with that, Like they're not talented enough in that group

647
00:31:15,898 --> 00:31:19,578
Speaker 2: to have mental mistakes and lapses and bad snaps and

648
00:31:19,618 --> 00:31:22,418
Speaker 2: things like that. So that was a big, big problem

649
00:31:22,418 --> 00:31:24,178
Speaker 2: in this game. And the other thing that I would

650
00:31:24,218 --> 00:31:27,458
Speaker 2: I would point to, I do not believe they expected

651
00:31:27,538 --> 00:31:30,298
Speaker 2: Arizona to play as much man coverage early on in

652
00:31:30,298 --> 00:31:32,778
Speaker 2: the game, as they did. The Cardinals play a lot

653
00:31:32,818 --> 00:31:34,818
Speaker 2: of zone. They're one of the more zone heavy teams.

654
00:31:35,178 --> 00:31:37,338
Speaker 2: They bucked that trend this week by playing a lot

655
00:31:37,378 --> 00:31:39,458
Speaker 2: of man to man early in the game. They were

656
00:31:39,498 --> 00:31:42,938
Speaker 2: fifty percent man on in the first quarter in this

657
00:31:43,058 --> 00:31:46,058
Speaker 2: game was Arizona. They played a lot more zone as

658
00:31:46,058 --> 00:31:47,978
Speaker 2: the game wore on because the score, you know, they

659
00:31:48,098 --> 00:31:50,738
Speaker 2: they were just kind of keeping things in front of them.

660
00:31:50,978 --> 00:31:52,898
Speaker 2: But they came out and they played man to man,

661
00:31:53,258 --> 00:31:56,058
Speaker 2: and the Patriots got fooled by a lot of their

662
00:31:56,098 --> 00:31:58,378
Speaker 2: man to man coverages into running things that weren't going

663
00:31:58,458 --> 00:32:01,378
Speaker 2: to work into that defense. The Brady thing right like, are.

664
00:32:01,298 --> 00:32:05,218
Speaker 4: You snapping the ball in effective play against that defense?

665
00:32:05,578 --> 00:32:06,658
Speaker 4: Answer to the test, you're right.

666
00:32:06,738 --> 00:32:09,178
Speaker 2: So they you know, big one to me, you know,

667
00:32:09,218 --> 00:32:11,578
Speaker 2: just breaking down the whole opening drive. I've heard a

668
00:32:11,618 --> 00:32:13,978
Speaker 2: lot that they moved the ball on the opening drive.

669
00:32:14,338 --> 00:32:17,658
Speaker 2: If you actually go and watch the opening drive, it

670
00:32:17,698 --> 00:32:19,858
Speaker 2: was a mess, and they moved the ball because they

671
00:32:19,898 --> 00:32:22,738
Speaker 2: had some things go their way within that mess. Very

672
00:32:22,738 --> 00:32:24,618
Speaker 2: first play of the game is at eleven yard completion

673
00:32:24,738 --> 00:32:27,418
Speaker 2: the Hunter Henry. Their spacings off on the on the

674
00:32:27,458 --> 00:32:31,338
Speaker 2: route combination Jalen Polk doesn't clear out. Actually had Austin

675
00:32:31,378 --> 00:32:34,618
Speaker 2: Hooper for a bigger play if the spacing had been correct.

676
00:32:34,738 --> 00:32:37,178
Speaker 2: They have bad spacing on that play. The next play

677
00:32:37,218 --> 00:32:39,658
Speaker 2: they gained sixteen yards on a little swing screen to

678
00:32:39,778 --> 00:32:44,098
Speaker 2: ramondre Stevenson. Ben Brown rolls the snap to Drake May

679
00:32:44,338 --> 00:32:47,578
Speaker 2: and he just gets the playoff on the screen to Remandre.

680
00:32:47,898 --> 00:32:50,098
Speaker 2: Then you have a holding call on third and five.

681
00:32:50,578 --> 00:32:52,538
Speaker 2: And then the third and ten that they got off

682
00:32:52,818 --> 00:32:54,938
Speaker 2: Drake checked into a screen when he shouldn't have checked

683
00:32:54,978 --> 00:32:57,818
Speaker 2: into a screen, right, So like even then it was

684
00:32:57,858 --> 00:32:59,898
Speaker 2: like watching it back, I was like, well I should

685
00:32:59,898 --> 00:33:02,458
Speaker 2: have seen this coming, Like, yes, they got some yards

686
00:33:02,698 --> 00:33:05,138
Speaker 2: out of the first drive, but they really were not

687
00:33:05,178 --> 00:33:06,298
Speaker 2: buttoned up from the get go.

688
00:33:06,938 --> 00:33:10,018
Speaker 4: No, they weren't. It was it was all over the place.

689
00:33:10,058 --> 00:33:11,818
Speaker 4: To go back to something you said about Buddha Baker

690
00:33:11,858 --> 00:33:16,018
Speaker 4: that stood out to me because they talked about during

691
00:33:16,058 --> 00:33:18,178
Speaker 4: the week, Like, Buddha Baker is a guy we need

692
00:33:18,218 --> 00:33:20,418
Speaker 4: to be aware of. They use him differently. They use

693
00:33:20,498 --> 00:33:21,978
Speaker 4: him as a linebacker, they use him as a safety,

694
00:33:21,978 --> 00:33:23,618
Speaker 4: they use him as a corner. We need to know

695
00:33:23,658 --> 00:33:25,698
Speaker 4: where he is, identify him right. Things like that and

696
00:33:26,018 --> 00:33:30,338
Speaker 4: that that wasn't there on the offensive line two it

697
00:33:30,938 --> 00:33:34,138
Speaker 4: looked discombobulated. Ye, to your point, I just think there

698
00:33:34,138 --> 00:33:39,258
Speaker 4: were too many guys, and I there were the talent

699
00:33:39,418 --> 00:33:41,738
Speaker 4: gap was there, right, Darian Logan's blown by a couple

700
00:33:41,778 --> 00:33:44,698
Speaker 4: of times on those two short yarded situations. Lade Robinson

701
00:33:44,818 --> 00:33:46,498
Speaker 4: get stood up. But I think what you see is

702
00:33:46,538 --> 00:33:48,938
Speaker 4: guys try to overcompensate for that, and that's where some

703
00:33:48,978 --> 00:33:51,498
Speaker 4: of the I don't know that I'd call it freelancing,

704
00:33:51,538 --> 00:33:55,218
Speaker 4: but like me different page, Yeah, it comes from.

705
00:33:55,418 --> 00:33:58,138
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you look at I always I hate

706
00:33:58,178 --> 00:34:00,858
Speaker 2: to bring up like all like the Yester Years all

707
00:34:00,938 --> 00:34:04,058
Speaker 2: the time, but like with Scarnekia, how many linemen did

708
00:34:04,058 --> 00:34:08,018
Speaker 2: Scarnekia take? You know that we were like who and

709
00:34:08,058 --> 00:34:11,138
Speaker 2: then all? But it worked because at least they were

710
00:34:11,138 --> 00:34:14,857
Speaker 2: in the right spot. Five guys right, and so even

711
00:34:14,858 --> 00:34:17,977
Speaker 2: if they didn't have great talent at a spot or two,

712
00:34:18,338 --> 00:34:20,098
Speaker 2: they were able to get by because they were so

713
00:34:20,178 --> 00:34:23,937
Speaker 2: well prepared going into the games. And that is very

714
00:34:24,418 --> 00:34:27,297
Speaker 2: noticeable in this film. I'm not saying it's every single week,

715
00:34:27,578 --> 00:34:30,178
Speaker 2: but in this film it was very noticeable that they

716
00:34:30,178 --> 00:34:32,457
Speaker 2: don't play the Cardinals a lot. And I don't think

717
00:34:32,458 --> 00:34:34,897
Speaker 2: that they were fully prepared. I also think if you

718
00:34:34,938 --> 00:34:38,018
Speaker 2: watch the Cardinals against certain teams, you know, they play

719
00:34:38,418 --> 00:34:40,698
Speaker 2: bad teams differently than they play good teams, So the

720
00:34:40,778 --> 00:34:43,658
Speaker 2: numbers are kind of skewed because you know, against good teams,

721
00:34:43,658 --> 00:34:45,578
Speaker 2: they might be a little bit less aggressive than they

722
00:34:45,578 --> 00:34:48,138
Speaker 2: are against bad teams. The other thing I wanted to

723
00:34:48,138 --> 00:34:50,218
Speaker 2: bring up offensively and kind of segue a little bit

724
00:34:50,258 --> 00:34:53,938
Speaker 2: into what Alex van Pelt said today at his press conference,

725
00:34:53,938 --> 00:34:55,498
Speaker 2: which I thought was like one of the most interesting

726
00:34:55,578 --> 00:34:56,857
Speaker 2: press conferences of the year.

727
00:34:57,098 --> 00:34:59,377
Speaker 4: There's a lot to unpack them. We learned like it

728
00:34:59,458 --> 00:35:01,777
Speaker 4: was in terms of being educational, it was good. It

729
00:35:01,898 --> 00:35:07,218
Speaker 4: was I think I received it more positively than you did. Maybe.

730
00:35:07,538 --> 00:35:10,138
Speaker 2: I like Alex van Pelt at press conferences. I think

731
00:35:10,138 --> 00:35:14,698
Speaker 2: he does a nice job. I think he's he's professional

732
00:35:14,818 --> 00:35:17,378
Speaker 2: like and you can clearly tell that that you know,

733
00:35:17,418 --> 00:35:20,418
Speaker 2: he's been experienced at this. The one thing though, that

734
00:35:20,458 --> 00:35:24,297
Speaker 2: I can't let go, and it's bigger to me than

735
00:35:24,378 --> 00:35:26,418
Speaker 2: just the third and fourth and one, like that's sort

736
00:35:26,418 --> 00:35:28,818
Speaker 2: of the microcosm of it, but it's bigger to me

737
00:35:28,898 --> 00:35:33,258
Speaker 2: than that, And really, you know, I always kind of

738
00:35:33,258 --> 00:35:36,898
Speaker 2: felt this way, but It really hit me hard watching

739
00:35:36,938 --> 00:35:39,738
Speaker 2: the Bills offense this week a little bit and studying

740
00:35:39,738 --> 00:35:45,578
Speaker 2: the Bills on film the way that Joe Brady leverages

741
00:35:45,738 --> 00:35:49,978
Speaker 2: all of Josh Allen's talent, like his mobility, his arm talent,

742
00:35:50,178 --> 00:35:55,938
Speaker 2: but especially his mobility into their scheme to threaten defenses

743
00:35:55,978 --> 00:36:00,458
Speaker 2: and to manipulate defenses and create space in the defense

744
00:36:00,498 --> 00:36:02,898
Speaker 2: and all this kind of stuff and numbers advantages for

745
00:36:02,978 --> 00:36:06,618
Speaker 2: the offense, like those types of things that all it

746
00:36:06,778 --> 00:36:09,978
Speaker 2: is is just like Josh Allen needs to be accounted for,

747
00:36:10,298 --> 00:36:13,778
Speaker 2: right Like it's not even something that's like so revolutionary,

748
00:36:13,938 --> 00:36:16,218
Speaker 2: Like they're doing a lot of the same stuff that

749
00:36:16,738 --> 00:36:19,538
Speaker 2: they did, you know, Brady did at LSU in twenty nineteen.

750
00:36:19,618 --> 00:36:24,458
Speaker 2: Right Like, this isn't like super revolutionary, but every single

751
00:36:24,578 --> 00:36:27,898
Speaker 2: play that they call for, Josh Allen has some sort

752
00:36:27,938 --> 00:36:32,058
Speaker 2: of way of leveraging his ability against the defense, right

753
00:36:32,098 --> 00:36:34,098
Speaker 2: Like it's some sort of threat. You know, they run

754
00:36:34,218 --> 00:36:37,698
Speaker 2: that tackle trap play all the time where they pull

755
00:36:37,778 --> 00:36:41,378
Speaker 2: the backside tackle and then they have an option. Right

756
00:36:41,418 --> 00:36:43,857
Speaker 2: he's reading the front side is the end crash? Does

757
00:36:43,898 --> 00:36:46,778
Speaker 2: the end stay? Sometimes they'll put a bubble screen attached

758
00:36:46,818 --> 00:36:48,458
Speaker 2: to it too, so we can throw it out there,

759
00:36:48,698 --> 00:36:50,938
Speaker 2: and then they obviously have the run to James Cook

760
00:36:51,218 --> 00:36:55,738
Speaker 2: on the inside. All those things they're doing is accounting

761
00:36:55,738 --> 00:36:58,618
Speaker 2: for numbers, and so what you see with Buffalo's offense

762
00:36:58,898 --> 00:37:01,618
Speaker 2: is their hat on the hat in the running game constantly, right,

763
00:37:01,658 --> 00:37:04,337
Speaker 2: Like they just have the numbers to the run side

764
00:37:04,378 --> 00:37:06,418
Speaker 2: of the play. For James Cook. When you watch the

765
00:37:06,458 --> 00:37:09,178
Speaker 2: forty one yard touchdown that he had against the Detroit Lions,

766
00:37:09,578 --> 00:37:12,458
Speaker 2: he walks into the end zone because they literally just

767
00:37:12,578 --> 00:37:15,498
Speaker 2: have a dude for every dude that's on the Detroit

768
00:37:15,538 --> 00:37:18,058
Speaker 2: Lions that's to that side of the field. Besides, the

769
00:37:18,058 --> 00:37:19,738
Speaker 2: deep safety in the middle of the field is the

770
00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:22,178
Speaker 2: one guy that James Cook has to make miss. But

771
00:37:22,218 --> 00:37:24,578
Speaker 2: once he's moving full speed at you know, ten, twelve,

772
00:37:24,658 --> 00:37:27,498
Speaker 2: fifteen yards down the field, it becomes pretty easy for

773
00:37:27,538 --> 00:37:29,658
Speaker 2: a talented back like him to make the free safety

774
00:37:29,658 --> 00:37:32,458
Speaker 2: miss in the middle of the So you have these

775
00:37:32,538 --> 00:37:36,298
Speaker 2: advantages that Allen's mobility has in the offense, you know,

776
00:37:36,378 --> 00:37:38,938
Speaker 2: moving the pocket right, like even from under center, like

777
00:37:39,018 --> 00:37:41,777
Speaker 2: having boots and having nakeds and things like that, like

778
00:37:41,858 --> 00:37:44,058
Speaker 2: all of these things that they've built into this scheme.

779
00:37:44,458 --> 00:37:47,458
Speaker 2: And then you watch the Patriots and they just don't

780
00:37:47,458 --> 00:37:49,978
Speaker 2: do any of those kinds of things with Drake May.

781
00:37:50,378 --> 00:37:54,898
Speaker 2: And they don't use Drake May's full you know, assembly

782
00:37:55,058 --> 00:37:58,018
Speaker 2: of powers right Like it's it's like they, you know,

783
00:37:58,138 --> 00:38:01,178
Speaker 2: use a superhero comparison, Like they don't use all of

784
00:38:01,218 --> 00:38:05,858
Speaker 2: his of his superpowers at their disposal. They don't leverage

785
00:38:05,858 --> 00:38:09,778
Speaker 2: these things against the defense. He's their best playmaker on offense.

786
00:38:10,258 --> 00:38:12,378
Speaker 2: He's the best thing they got going for him, and

787
00:38:12,498 --> 00:38:16,698
Speaker 2: they're they're not They're asking him to play to like

788
00:38:16,818 --> 00:38:19,857
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of his strains by not running him.

789
00:38:20,058 --> 00:38:22,777
Speaker 2: So today with Dallas Vanpeld he had a lot to

790
00:38:22,818 --> 00:38:25,858
Speaker 2: say about this sort of thing. I think the biggest

791
00:38:25,858 --> 00:38:28,138
Speaker 2: thing to me was that he mentioned earlier on in

792
00:38:28,178 --> 00:38:32,298
Speaker 2: his press conference that there they want to have a

793
00:38:32,338 --> 00:38:36,298
Speaker 2: conservative effort, uh concerted effort, I should say, of getting

794
00:38:36,378 --> 00:38:40,018
Speaker 2: Drake May through these last three games healthy. And the

795
00:38:40,138 --> 00:38:43,378
Speaker 2: natural fall up for me was, if you guys were

796
00:38:43,418 --> 00:38:45,818
Speaker 2: eleven and three instead of three and eleven, would you

797
00:38:45,858 --> 00:38:47,458
Speaker 2: be running him in these situations?

798
00:38:47,818 --> 00:38:48,058
Speaker 4: Right?

799
00:38:48,098 --> 00:38:51,898
Speaker 2: And his answer was yes. So that tells me that

800
00:38:51,938 --> 00:38:55,338
Speaker 2: the Patriots are basically telling us that they have gone

801
00:38:55,338 --> 00:38:58,458
Speaker 2: out of their way to or in the order to

802
00:38:58,498 --> 00:39:02,978
Speaker 2: protect Drake May from injury to not run the offense

803
00:39:03,058 --> 00:39:05,698
Speaker 2: at its full boat right and to and to take

804
00:39:05,738 --> 00:39:08,938
Speaker 2: some of these quarterback runs off the table until they're

805
00:39:08,978 --> 00:39:13,458
Speaker 2: more competitive as a team. But my only like sort

806
00:39:13,498 --> 00:39:18,538
Speaker 2: of uh, you know, clapback at that is, how do

807
00:39:18,578 --> 00:39:21,018
Speaker 2: you expect to be a competitive team if your quarterback

808
00:39:21,098 --> 00:39:22,458
Speaker 2: is being held back?

809
00:39:22,698 --> 00:39:23,018
Speaker 4: Right? Like?

810
00:39:23,098 --> 00:39:26,298
Speaker 2: How that that's what makes the Bills the Bills, Like,

811
00:39:26,378 --> 00:39:29,818
Speaker 2: that's what makes them unstoppable. That's what makes the Baltimore

812
00:39:29,898 --> 00:39:33,458
Speaker 2: Ravens stoppable, you know. So that's what makes Jayden Daniels

813
00:39:33,498 --> 00:39:34,937
Speaker 2: and the Commander is a playoff team.

814
00:39:35,218 --> 00:39:37,538
Speaker 4: It's funny you use those three examples because the Bills

815
00:39:37,578 --> 00:39:39,818
Speaker 4: have had trouble getting over the hump in part because

816
00:39:39,898 --> 00:39:41,538
Speaker 4: Josh Allen is so banged up at the end of

817
00:39:41,578 --> 00:39:43,298
Speaker 4: every year. The Ravens have had trouble getting over the

818
00:39:43,378 --> 00:39:45,897
Speaker 4: hump because Lamar is not Lamar come the playoffs because

819
00:39:45,898 --> 00:39:48,578
Speaker 4: he's taken such a beating. The Commanders have fallen off

820
00:39:48,618 --> 00:39:52,538
Speaker 4: ever since Shane Daniels suffered that rib injury. So I

821
00:39:52,578 --> 00:39:55,098
Speaker 4: think you kind of get your answer there is to

822
00:39:55,098 --> 00:39:57,298
Speaker 4: why they're worried about it. That's a fair point because

823
00:39:57,338 --> 00:40:00,258
Speaker 4: they and Van Pelt like he almost sounded shell shock

824
00:40:00,338 --> 00:40:02,058
Speaker 4: today when he's talking about, yeah, I know what comes

825
00:40:02,058 --> 00:40:04,778
Speaker 4: with the quarterback run game. I remember losing the quarterback

826
00:40:04,778 --> 00:40:07,218
Speaker 4: for the year in Cleveland and you look at now, Look,

827
00:40:07,258 --> 00:40:09,817
Speaker 4: I think Mahomes is fine. But in theory, you look

828
00:40:09,858 --> 00:40:11,698
Speaker 4: with the Chiefs are going through Mahomes right now, things

829
00:40:11,698 --> 00:40:13,578
Speaker 4: like that. So I've talked about this. I don't think

830
00:40:13,578 --> 00:40:15,578
Speaker 4: the answer to how much you run the quarterback who

831
00:40:15,618 --> 00:40:17,298
Speaker 4: can be a factor in the run game is zero.

832
00:40:17,618 --> 00:40:20,018
Speaker 4: I think you just take some of the risk that

833
00:40:20,058 --> 00:40:22,297
Speaker 4: comes with him getting hurt because of what that can

834
00:40:22,338 --> 00:40:25,858
Speaker 4: add to your offense. On not running him right now,

835
00:40:26,378 --> 00:40:28,498
Speaker 4: you know, I think it's glass half full, glass half empty.

836
00:40:28,538 --> 00:40:30,938
Speaker 4: When you look at Van Pelt's approach on one hand,

837
00:40:31,858 --> 00:40:34,938
Speaker 4: and this goes back to conversations we had. It's very

838
00:40:34,978 --> 00:40:38,418
Speaker 4: similar the conversations we had about when to start Drake

839
00:40:38,498 --> 00:40:41,377
Speaker 4: may right, And you know, is he going to help

840
00:40:41,418 --> 00:40:44,178
Speaker 4: you win more games right now in the immediate yes,

841
00:40:44,258 --> 00:40:47,658
Speaker 4: But is that ultimately what's best for the organization. You

842
00:40:47,698 --> 00:40:50,458
Speaker 4: could argue glass half empty. I don't care what the

843
00:40:50,458 --> 00:40:53,738
Speaker 4: record is. Win games. That's your job. Go out there,

844
00:40:53,818 --> 00:40:56,258
Speaker 4: do everything you can win every single game. On the schedule.

845
00:40:56,818 --> 00:41:00,138
Speaker 4: You could look at it glass half fall and say

846
00:41:01,098 --> 00:41:04,898
Speaker 4: Van Pelt, you know, where's his job security at? And

847
00:41:04,978 --> 00:41:09,698
Speaker 4: he's still so I think not running Drake May right now.

848
00:41:09,818 --> 00:41:12,297
Speaker 4: Now they could have worked in a quarterback steak last week,

849
00:41:12,338 --> 00:41:14,578
Speaker 4: but as a whole, I think not running Drake May

850
00:41:14,658 --> 00:41:17,258
Speaker 4: right now makes sense. We know he can do it.

851
00:41:17,258 --> 00:41:20,258
Speaker 4: It's not the kind of thing that you're necessarily going

852
00:41:20,338 --> 00:41:23,218
Speaker 4: to get better with that better at with reps. I

853
00:41:23,218 --> 00:41:26,018
Speaker 4: think it's just an instinct thing. Every run is different.

854
00:41:26,818 --> 00:41:28,978
Speaker 4: You can you know he can work on that in practice,

855
00:41:28,978 --> 00:41:31,258
Speaker 4: that's not something where he needs to do in games

856
00:41:31,658 --> 00:41:33,817
Speaker 4: a lot to get I also don't know how much

857
00:41:33,858 --> 00:41:35,178
Speaker 4: better he needs to get at it. He's a pretty

858
00:41:35,218 --> 00:41:36,978
Speaker 4: dang good runner when he takes off on a scramble,

859
00:41:37,058 --> 00:41:39,418
Speaker 4: right Yeah. Sure, some things with the Reid option and

860
00:41:39,778 --> 00:41:42,298
Speaker 4: seeing that better, but again you can simulate that in practice.

861
00:41:43,498 --> 00:41:45,178
Speaker 4: I get wanting him to get through the year healthy.

862
00:41:45,298 --> 00:41:47,458
Speaker 4: I've said this since the beginning. The worst thing that

863
00:41:47,498 --> 00:41:50,018
Speaker 4: could happen is he suffers some kind of long term

864
00:41:50,018 --> 00:41:53,898
Speaker 4: injury and loses development time early in his career. So,

865
00:41:54,498 --> 00:41:57,978
Speaker 4: you know, Van Pelt, with his job potentially online doing

866
00:41:58,018 --> 00:42:01,218
Speaker 4: what's best for the kid and along with that doing

867
00:42:01,218 --> 00:42:03,938
Speaker 4: what's best for the organization. Big picture. You look at

868
00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:06,218
Speaker 4: and you say, that's a guy that's a leader, that's

869
00:42:06,258 --> 00:42:10,938
Speaker 4: a guy that has the team over himself. Yeah. So again,

870
00:42:10,978 --> 00:42:13,738
Speaker 4: you can approach it both ways, and maybe there's some

871
00:42:13,858 --> 00:42:17,618
Speaker 4: truth to both of them. But it was a really

872
00:42:17,658 --> 00:42:19,698
Speaker 4: good question by you, and I think it kind of

873
00:42:19,698 --> 00:42:22,218
Speaker 4: shows you where they're at right now. And Drake even

874
00:42:22,258 --> 00:42:24,258
Speaker 4: talked about it this week, and John Mayo talked about

875
00:42:24,258 --> 00:42:26,218
Speaker 4: it this week. These last three games are about development.

876
00:42:26,578 --> 00:42:29,138
Speaker 4: These last three games are about who's gonna go out,

877
00:42:29,138 --> 00:42:30,698
Speaker 4: Who's gonna be a part of this team moving forward.

878
00:42:30,778 --> 00:42:33,658
Speaker 4: We know the roster's going to change this offseason. Who

879
00:42:33,818 --> 00:42:37,618
Speaker 4: is You know you have guys from guys like Drake May,

880
00:42:38,098 --> 00:42:40,458
Speaker 4: Christian Zalez down to the bottom of the roster who

881
00:42:40,498 --> 00:42:42,498
Speaker 4: are trying to show what they can do for next year.

882
00:42:43,018 --> 00:42:45,458
Speaker 4: Drake May gets hurt, it blows a lot of things up. Yeah,

883
00:42:45,538 --> 00:42:48,458
Speaker 4: so I thought it. He didn't need to admit that.

884
00:42:48,538 --> 00:42:50,818
Speaker 4: He certainly didn't need to admit it, could have lied,

885
00:42:51,018 --> 00:42:53,338
Speaker 4: could have talked around it. If he talks around it,

886
00:42:53,338 --> 00:42:57,458
Speaker 4: we kind of know what's going on. But I can't

887
00:42:57,498 --> 00:42:59,378
Speaker 4: help but at least in part commend him for it

888
00:42:59,458 --> 00:43:01,978
Speaker 4: because again, his job, we don't know, his job might

889
00:43:01,978 --> 00:43:03,938
Speaker 4: be on the line, and he's still doing what's best

890
00:43:03,978 --> 00:43:05,578
Speaker 4: for Drake may So I like that take.

891
00:43:05,618 --> 00:43:09,258
Speaker 2: I agree with you that that's commendable by Alex van Pelt,

892
00:43:09,258 --> 00:43:12,498
Speaker 2: that he could go into this and I think, you know,

893
00:43:12,618 --> 00:43:14,938
Speaker 2: just to use another rookie quarterback. I think the Commanders

894
00:43:14,978 --> 00:43:17,738
Speaker 2: did this. I think the Commanders came out and they

895
00:43:17,858 --> 00:43:22,058
Speaker 2: unleashed Jaden Daniels right now. They installed basically a college

896
00:43:22,098 --> 00:43:25,098
Speaker 2: offense with a college you know, coordinator and longtime head

897
00:43:25,098 --> 00:43:29,418
Speaker 2: coach in Cliff Kingsbury, and they ran LSU's offense at

898
00:43:29,418 --> 00:43:32,418
Speaker 2: the NFL level and it was gangbusters for the first

899
00:43:32,458 --> 00:43:34,658
Speaker 2: like six weeks of the season, and to your point,

900
00:43:34,698 --> 00:43:37,458
Speaker 2: he gets hurt and it hasn't been as good right now.

901
00:43:37,498 --> 00:43:40,098
Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I would just say and reverse

902
00:43:40,178 --> 00:43:43,818
Speaker 2: to that though, is like my concern is that we

903
00:43:43,858 --> 00:43:48,098
Speaker 2: don't necessarily know the schematic chops of Alex van Pelt

904
00:43:48,178 --> 00:43:50,298
Speaker 2: in terms of designing that kind of options if they

905
00:43:50,338 --> 00:43:51,378
Speaker 2: haven't put it on film.

906
00:43:51,498 --> 00:43:54,337
Speaker 4: That's where it gets in this weird conversation talking about

907
00:43:54,378 --> 00:43:56,658
Speaker 4: Alex man Pelt for the future, because if you want

908
00:43:56,698 --> 00:43:59,297
Speaker 4: to defend him and defend his job, you can sit

909
00:43:59,338 --> 00:44:01,938
Speaker 4: here and say, we know he's good at player development.

910
00:44:02,058 --> 00:44:04,458
Speaker 4: We know he's good at that part of it. There

911
00:44:04,538 --> 00:44:06,978
Speaker 4: is more, like, if he's holding back the quarterback runs,

912
00:44:07,498 --> 00:44:09,658
Speaker 4: what else he holding back? Maybe there's other things. Maybe

913
00:44:09,698 --> 00:44:13,098
Speaker 4: it's not about Drake May's health, but maybe there's some things.

914
00:44:13,098 --> 00:44:14,378
Speaker 4: And it's like we're three and eleven.

915
00:44:14,458 --> 00:44:17,418
Speaker 2: I have this, but I'd rather save it and not

916
00:44:17,458 --> 00:44:19,337
Speaker 2: put it on tape and come out next year week

917
00:44:19,378 --> 00:44:20,658
Speaker 2: one with it and go gangbusters.

918
00:44:21,018 --> 00:44:23,337
Speaker 4: Right, here's why. Or you could say, all right, he's

919
00:44:23,338 --> 00:44:26,658
Speaker 4: holding back the quarterback runs saying that to save his job.

920
00:44:27,338 --> 00:44:29,538
Speaker 4: How much is how much more really is there? Why

921
00:44:29,538 --> 00:44:30,258
Speaker 4: wouldn't he be doing it?

922
00:44:30,698 --> 00:44:34,898
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry to interrupt. Here's where I'm at with that. Yeah,

923
00:44:34,938 --> 00:44:37,018
Speaker 2: because this is where it comes in with like, because

924
00:44:37,018 --> 00:44:39,458
Speaker 2: I think this is an interesting conversation, right, Like we

925
00:44:39,538 --> 00:44:42,658
Speaker 2: don't actually know the answer to that question of how

926
00:44:42,738 --> 00:44:44,738
Speaker 2: much is he holding back versus not? No, we can

927
00:44:44,778 --> 00:44:47,858
Speaker 2: only speculate, but I would say that comment opens the

928
00:44:47,938 --> 00:44:51,218
Speaker 2: door to the possibility that he's holding more back, right, so,

929
00:44:51,618 --> 00:44:54,018
Speaker 2: or sorry to cut you off again, how much is

930
00:44:54,018 --> 00:44:56,777
Speaker 2: he holding back because we don't have the offensive line

931
00:44:56,818 --> 00:44:58,258
Speaker 2: to run this, we don't have the wide receivers to

932
00:44:58,338 --> 00:45:00,578
Speaker 2: run this, et cetera. Right, So here, here's where I

933
00:45:00,618 --> 00:45:05,618
Speaker 2: would go if I am Drod Mayo in this whole regime.

934
00:45:05,698 --> 00:45:08,178
Speaker 2: Right now, here was where I would go with Van

935
00:45:08,258 --> 00:45:11,618
Speaker 2: Pelt in January, when the season is over, I would

936
00:45:11,658 --> 00:45:15,817
Speaker 2: say to Alex van Pelt, Okay, show me the actual stuff, right,

937
00:45:16,018 --> 00:45:20,018
Speaker 2: you know, give me a presentation of what you actually

938
00:45:20,098 --> 00:45:23,058
Speaker 2: want to run or actually are capable or could run

939
00:45:23,498 --> 00:45:27,498
Speaker 2: in terms of quarterback runs in particular, or just movement right,

940
00:45:27,538 --> 00:45:30,858
Speaker 2: like moving the pocket right, running the quarterback, all the

941
00:45:30,898 --> 00:45:34,817
Speaker 2: things that we could do, uh to I know you

942
00:45:34,818 --> 00:45:38,738
Speaker 2: you're gonna hate to basically bills like this offense, right,

943
00:45:38,898 --> 00:45:41,098
Speaker 2: like you really want to be the bills like that,

944
00:45:41,098 --> 00:45:42,018
Speaker 2: that's what you want to do.

945
00:45:42,418 --> 00:45:44,458
Speaker 4: Cutting down the turnovers. But yeah, and we know Van

946
00:45:44,538 --> 00:45:46,938
Speaker 4: Pelt is not okay with the turnovers, unlike the nerds

947
00:45:46,938 --> 00:45:49,098
Speaker 4: who have excused them. Okay, he doesn't turn the ball

948
00:45:49,138 --> 00:45:50,938
Speaker 4: over as much anymore because they made it a point

949
00:45:50,938 --> 00:45:54,018
Speaker 4: of emphasis. So back to back weeks, get to the

950
00:45:54,338 --> 00:45:55,578
Speaker 4: place we'll get to the interceptions.

951
00:45:55,578 --> 00:46:00,218
Speaker 2: But so basically, give me a presentation, give me a

952
00:46:00,218 --> 00:46:04,698
Speaker 2: power point on this is what we're actually gonna run.

953
00:46:05,898 --> 00:46:08,178
Speaker 2: And because if I'm Gerrod Mayo and Elliot Wolf, I'm

954
00:46:08,178 --> 00:46:11,138
Speaker 2: saying to Alex Van Pelt, well, we're gonna get the

955
00:46:11,138 --> 00:46:13,618
Speaker 2: personnel right now. I understand that people hear me say

956
00:46:13,658 --> 00:46:15,418
Speaker 2: that and are like, well, what confidence do you have. Well,

957
00:46:15,418 --> 00:46:16,898
Speaker 2: if they're not gonna get the personnel, it doesn't matter

958
00:46:16,978 --> 00:46:19,338
Speaker 2: what they call, right, So let's just operate on the

959
00:46:19,538 --> 00:46:22,138
Speaker 2: on the prism that they are actually gonna do their

960
00:46:22,258 --> 00:46:24,418
Speaker 2: jobs and they're gonna be They're gonna get the personnel.

961
00:46:24,778 --> 00:46:27,138
Speaker 2: We're gonna get the personnel. We don't want you to

962
00:46:27,178 --> 00:46:29,738
Speaker 2: worry about that right now in season. You gotta worry

963
00:46:29,738 --> 00:46:32,418
Speaker 2: about the fact that you're left tackles and right tackles

964
00:46:32,458 --> 00:46:33,698
Speaker 2: deficient and all that stuff.

965
00:46:33,818 --> 00:46:35,618
Speaker 4: But we're gonna get you tackled. That's done.

966
00:46:35,658 --> 00:46:38,658
Speaker 2: We're gonna get your receivers, Like, just tell us what

967
00:46:38,858 --> 00:46:41,418
Speaker 2: you have cooking in the lab and if you like

968
00:46:41,498 --> 00:46:44,178
Speaker 2: what he says, then great, then then you're good.

969
00:46:44,218 --> 00:46:44,778
Speaker 4: You're golden.

970
00:46:44,978 --> 00:46:46,698
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't like what he says, you have

971
00:46:46,698 --> 00:46:49,458
Speaker 2: two choices. One is obviously to move on. The other

972
00:46:49,578 --> 00:46:52,578
Speaker 2: choice is sending him and this happens all the time,

973
00:46:52,618 --> 00:46:56,898
Speaker 2: and coaching sending him to some like college program and

974
00:46:56,938 --> 00:46:59,338
Speaker 2: you're probably better at picking a program than me, honestly,

975
00:46:59,778 --> 00:47:02,938
Speaker 2: uh for like a week or two just to learn

976
00:47:03,498 --> 00:47:07,777
Speaker 2: their quarterback run package, right, Like, just teach me your

977
00:47:07,858 --> 00:47:12,618
Speaker 2: quarterback run package and have Van Pelt then come back

978
00:47:13,338 --> 00:47:18,218
Speaker 2: with a different a new chapter to his play.

979
00:47:18,338 --> 00:47:22,778
Speaker 4: What right think about? And maybe this wouldn't this wouldn't

980
00:47:22,778 --> 00:47:28,098
Speaker 4: have to be instead of that, But what about having

981
00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:30,178
Speaker 4: like a run game coordinator a pass game coordinator?

982
00:47:30,178 --> 00:47:33,777
Speaker 2: Adding yeah, or that's another option too, right, is like

983
00:47:33,898 --> 00:47:37,738
Speaker 2: hiring somebody from the outside who specializes in like spread

984
00:47:37,938 --> 00:47:40,938
Speaker 2: offense and that kind of stuff, and is going to

985
00:47:41,058 --> 00:47:43,857
Speaker 2: install that along with Alex van Pelt. I forget who

986
00:47:43,858 --> 00:47:45,738
Speaker 2: I was listening to on the radio the other day,

987
00:47:46,258 --> 00:47:48,178
Speaker 2: so I'm sorry that I can't credit this person, but

988
00:47:48,218 --> 00:47:49,938
Speaker 2: they said that this is what Andy Reid did in

989
00:47:50,018 --> 00:47:51,698
Speaker 2: Kansas City. It might have been Burt, it might have

990
00:47:51,698 --> 00:47:55,538
Speaker 2: been Albert Breer that he hired Brad Childress to come

991
00:47:55,578 --> 00:47:59,178
Speaker 2: in and essentially be his spread game coordinator and take

992
00:47:59,218 --> 00:48:02,578
Speaker 2: the Chiefs West Coast offense and turn it into a

993
00:48:02,578 --> 00:48:06,218
Speaker 2: modern West Coast offense, right and install all these rbos

994
00:48:06,258 --> 00:48:09,138
Speaker 2: and motions and things like that into the offense. So

995
00:48:10,338 --> 00:48:14,297
Speaker 2: that's a path for you too. And then when we

996
00:48:14,578 --> 00:48:16,817
Speaker 2: come back in here for OTAs and you come back

997
00:48:16,818 --> 00:48:19,578
Speaker 2: in here for training camp next season and next spring

998
00:48:19,618 --> 00:48:22,858
Speaker 2: and summer, that's when you start drilling all these things, right, Like,

999
00:48:22,938 --> 00:48:25,938
Speaker 2: that's when you really start to hone in on running

1000
00:48:25,978 --> 00:48:29,337
Speaker 2: these things, so that when you get to September, you've

1001
00:48:29,418 --> 00:48:31,858
Speaker 2: drilled it for six weeks and you guys know what

1002
00:48:31,898 --> 00:48:34,298
Speaker 2: you're doing, you know, in terms of these types of things.

1003
00:48:35,018 --> 00:48:37,578
Speaker 2: That would be my big thing with Van Pelt now

1004
00:48:37,938 --> 00:48:39,378
Speaker 2: is all right, we got through the season.

1005
00:48:39,778 --> 00:48:42,458
Speaker 4: We knew it wasn't gonna be pretty. It wasn't pretty,

1006
00:48:42,938 --> 00:48:45,218
Speaker 4: But what's next? Like what's two point zero of this?

1007
00:48:45,338 --> 00:48:47,338
Speaker 4: Seems to say they maybe aren't already doing some of

1008
00:48:47,338 --> 00:48:49,458
Speaker 4: that stuff. At practice, Van Pelts talked about like there

1009
00:48:49,458 --> 00:48:51,418
Speaker 4: are things on the play sheet he's not calming. Yeah,

1010
00:48:51,418 --> 00:48:53,298
Speaker 4: so maybe this has already started. Yeah, I'll give you

1011
00:48:53,298 --> 00:48:54,698
Speaker 4: the school. By the way, you're not gonna like this,

1012
00:48:54,698 --> 00:48:57,018
Speaker 4: but I'll give you the school that you do that with. Okay,

1013
00:48:57,258 --> 00:48:57,858
Speaker 4: it's army.

1014
00:48:59,258 --> 00:49:01,018
Speaker 2: I honestly don't hate it.

1015
00:49:01,018 --> 00:49:03,898
Speaker 4: Bryson Daily is like a big physical. Now he's not

1016
00:49:04,018 --> 00:49:06,178
Speaker 4: six ' five like Drake, Yeah, but he's six foot

1017
00:49:06,258 --> 00:49:07,818
Speaker 4: he's listened to twenty. I think he's bigger than that.

1018
00:49:07,818 --> 00:49:09,857
Speaker 4: I think he's probably closer to two thirty yea. And

1019
00:49:09,938 --> 00:49:13,098
Speaker 4: it's a lot of that, like you want to Josh

1020
00:49:13,138 --> 00:49:15,738
Speaker 4: Allen kind of runs where it's not you know, you

1021
00:49:15,738 --> 00:49:17,698
Speaker 4: look at how Lamar runs, you look at how Jane

1022
00:49:17,778 --> 00:49:21,338
Speaker 4: Daniels runs. They're running to the outside, they're using more speed,

1023
00:49:21,338 --> 00:49:24,458
Speaker 4: they're trying to get to the perimeter. Josh Allen is

1024
00:49:24,898 --> 00:49:26,498
Speaker 4: and they'll run him to the outside too, but they're

1025
00:49:26,538 --> 00:49:28,778
Speaker 4: not afraid to put him between the tackles and have

1026
00:49:28,858 --> 00:49:31,578
Speaker 4: him truck somebody. That's kind of how bryceon Daly and

1027
00:49:31,698 --> 00:49:32,538
Speaker 4: Army's offense were.

1028
00:49:32,698 --> 00:49:35,378
Speaker 2: Yes, so they run a lot of inverted Verer in Buffalo,

1029
00:49:35,498 --> 00:49:38,818
Speaker 2: so like, well that's Army. Yeah, So like inverted meaning

1030
00:49:38,858 --> 00:49:41,618
Speaker 2: that the inside run is actually the quarterback and not

1031
00:49:41,658 --> 00:49:43,498
Speaker 2: the running back. The running back is the one that's

1032
00:49:43,498 --> 00:49:45,858
Speaker 2: trying to get the corner, and the quarterback is the

1033
00:49:45,858 --> 00:49:47,377
Speaker 2: one that's trying to get the middle of the wall.

1034
00:49:47,418 --> 00:49:49,658
Speaker 4: And actually you get the perfect marriage of it because

1035
00:49:49,738 --> 00:49:54,698
Speaker 4: you know who Armies head coaches, Todd Bonkin's brother, Todd

1036
00:49:54,738 --> 00:49:58,578
Speaker 4: Monkets Jeff Monkett. Yeah, so you get and and him

1037
00:49:58,578 --> 00:50:02,018
Speaker 4: and his brother obviously discussed these things right there, kind

1038
00:50:02,058 --> 00:50:06,618
Speaker 4: of a similar philosophy. So you have that Jeff Monkin

1039
00:50:07,378 --> 00:50:10,578
Speaker 4: kind of influence, that Ravens influence. But you also they

1040
00:50:10,618 --> 00:50:15,018
Speaker 4: built it around Brendan Daly is a more physical, bruising runner.

1041
00:50:15,058 --> 00:50:17,138
Speaker 4: He's not gonna run around guy, He's gonna run over guys.

1042
00:50:17,298 --> 00:50:19,138
Speaker 4: He was I think the fifth or sixth leading rusher

1043
00:50:19,138 --> 00:50:22,218
Speaker 4: in college football this year, not among quarterbacks, just overall.

1044
00:50:23,178 --> 00:50:26,658
Speaker 4: That's the That's the school i'd try to emulate. Yeah, look,

1045
00:50:26,698 --> 00:50:29,418
Speaker 4: I just the seventh in the nation. He ran for

1046
00:50:29,498 --> 00:50:31,218
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred yards in twelve games.

1047
00:50:31,378 --> 00:50:33,978
Speaker 2: I am willing to be open to the fact that

1048
00:50:34,018 --> 00:50:36,738
Speaker 2: Alex van Pelt might still be capable of doing this

1049
00:50:36,938 --> 00:50:39,938
Speaker 2: himself without having to change coordinators. And I gotta be

1050
00:50:39,978 --> 00:50:42,058
Speaker 2: honest with you, like, you know how much I love

1051
00:50:42,138 --> 00:50:45,178
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels. I think Josh McDaniels is a great coordinator,

1052
00:50:45,618 --> 00:50:47,818
Speaker 2: not a great head coach, but a great coordinator and

1053
00:50:47,858 --> 00:50:51,498
Speaker 2: a great play caller. But it does concern me to

1054
00:50:52,138 --> 00:50:54,738
Speaker 2: change playbooks on Drake May from year one to year two.

1055
00:50:55,578 --> 00:50:58,618
Speaker 2: He's more talented than Mac Jones. He's a better quarterback

1056
00:50:58,698 --> 00:51:00,858
Speaker 2: than Mac Jones. But we just did this, like we

1057
00:51:01,178 --> 00:51:04,058
Speaker 2: just changed coordinators on a rookie quarterback that had a

1058
00:51:04,098 --> 00:51:07,618
Speaker 2: promising rookie season and went to somebody different, and it

1059
00:51:07,898 --> 00:51:10,297
Speaker 2: just went off the rails like three years ago, right,

1060
00:51:10,418 --> 00:51:13,218
Speaker 2: not even And I just I'm very wary of that.

1061
00:51:13,258 --> 00:51:15,538
Speaker 2: It's not the reason you keep Alex van Pelt like,

1062
00:51:15,538 --> 00:51:18,018
Speaker 2: it's not. The number one reason is continuity. I don't

1063
00:51:18,058 --> 00:51:20,538
Speaker 2: think that's what it is. But I do think it

1064
00:51:20,618 --> 00:51:24,018
Speaker 2: has to play a factor in where you go on offense.

1065
00:51:24,058 --> 00:51:26,498
Speaker 2: And I do believe that if it's Gerd Mayo that

1066
00:51:26,578 --> 00:51:29,258
Speaker 2: he wants to run a West Coast system, I don't

1067
00:51:29,258 --> 00:51:32,258
Speaker 2: think he wants to necessarily go back to the to

1068
00:51:32,298 --> 00:51:34,778
Speaker 2: the Earnhard Perkins offense, Like I don't think he necessarily

1069
00:51:34,818 --> 00:51:37,898
Speaker 2: wants to do that. So look, I I'm open to

1070
00:51:37,938 --> 00:51:40,018
Speaker 2: the fact that it could be Ox van pel that

1071
00:51:40,298 --> 00:51:42,978
Speaker 2: that does this and does this pivot. But in order

1072
00:51:42,978 --> 00:51:44,978
Speaker 2: for me to be open to that, I would I would.

1073
00:51:45,098 --> 00:51:46,857
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to They're not gonna I'm

1074
00:51:46,898 --> 00:51:48,698
Speaker 2: not going to be in on the meeting shocker, But

1075
00:51:49,058 --> 00:51:51,178
Speaker 2: like you have to have a presentation, you have to

1076
00:51:51,218 --> 00:51:52,978
Speaker 2: have to sit down, and I wouldn't even.

1077
00:51:52,858 --> 00:51:53,818
Speaker 4: Wait till the end of the year. I think that

1078
00:51:53,858 --> 00:51:56,178
Speaker 4: would start probably now, and maybe you start doing some

1079
00:51:56,218 --> 00:51:57,817
Speaker 4: of that stuff at practice to kind of see what

1080
00:51:57,818 --> 00:51:59,897
Speaker 4: it looks like. So you know, you know your point

1081
00:51:59,938 --> 00:52:02,218
Speaker 4: about that. If they were to have that meeting, it's

1082
00:52:02,258 --> 00:52:04,978
Speaker 4: not just okay, what are your will get you the player?

1083
00:52:05,058 --> 00:52:07,658
Speaker 4: What are your plans? It's what are your plans so

1084
00:52:07,818 --> 00:52:11,777
Speaker 4: we know which players to get right that fit into that?

1085
00:52:12,138 --> 00:52:14,698
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think they have some of

1086
00:52:14,738 --> 00:52:18,018
Speaker 2: the guys already that oh yeah, that would fit into it.

1087
00:52:18,098 --> 00:52:19,978
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not so much on the line because they

1088
00:52:19,978 --> 00:52:21,658
Speaker 2: have a lot of work to do there. But I

1089
00:52:21,698 --> 00:52:24,378
Speaker 2: actually really feel like Pop Douglas is like a useful

1090
00:52:24,418 --> 00:52:26,857
Speaker 2: player and that sort of thing. You know, I watch

1091
00:52:26,898 --> 00:52:30,378
Speaker 2: how the Bills, I use Khalil Shakir Uh and killers.

1092
00:52:30,538 --> 00:52:32,338
Speaker 2: Here's a little thicker, like it's a little bigger than

1093
00:52:32,338 --> 00:52:34,698
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, But like in general, you know, they run

1094
00:52:34,738 --> 00:52:37,058
Speaker 2: a lot of orbit right with the motion coming behind

1095
00:52:37,138 --> 00:52:38,538
Speaker 2: the quarterback and things like that.

1096
00:52:38,698 --> 00:52:40,898
Speaker 4: George last week, Yeah, Cardinals.

1097
00:52:40,618 --> 00:52:42,698
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they use a lot of that orbit motion

1098
00:52:42,858 --> 00:52:45,618
Speaker 2: or satellite motion where he goes behind the quarterback. And

1099
00:52:45,658 --> 00:52:47,418
Speaker 2: what I really like about what the Bills will do

1100
00:52:47,498 --> 00:52:50,777
Speaker 2: is they'll they'll use the motion man to run a

1101
00:52:50,778 --> 00:52:53,818
Speaker 2: play action fake to the motion right, so they're gonna

1102
00:52:54,298 --> 00:52:57,338
Speaker 2: fake the sweep, the you know, the Jets sweep or whatever,

1103
00:52:57,578 --> 00:53:00,058
Speaker 2: and then that allows that frees up the running back

1104
00:53:00,138 --> 00:53:02,777
Speaker 2: to like get into the pattern instantly. So they ran

1105
00:53:02,938 --> 00:53:06,898
Speaker 2: like an orbit motion behind Josh Allen against Detroit and

1106
00:53:06,938 --> 00:53:09,738
Speaker 2: then they ran the back and on a wheel right

1107
00:53:09,778 --> 00:53:12,337
Speaker 2: from the place that the motion was coming from right,

1108
00:53:12,418 --> 00:53:14,978
Speaker 2: so that space just opens up and then they get

1109
00:53:14,978 --> 00:53:17,377
Speaker 2: man to man coverage and it's just a running back

1110
00:53:17,578 --> 00:53:20,098
Speaker 2: on a linebacker with like twenty five yards of space

1111
00:53:20,138 --> 00:53:22,058
Speaker 2: to work with, and it was a bomb. So you

1112
00:53:22,098 --> 00:53:25,018
Speaker 2: look at these types of things that Buffalo does. That's

1113
00:53:25,338 --> 00:53:27,738
Speaker 2: that's just what the Patriots offense is missing, and that

1114
00:53:28,098 --> 00:53:31,018
Speaker 2: you know people that are not it's like me that

1115
00:53:31,058 --> 00:53:33,698
Speaker 2: are studying Bills tape this week, Like when you watch

1116
00:53:33,738 --> 00:53:35,978
Speaker 2: the game on Sunday, you'll see it. Like you'll see

1117
00:53:36,178 --> 00:53:38,297
Speaker 2: when they get down on the goal line that they're

1118
00:53:38,378 --> 00:53:40,778
Speaker 2: running bash and they're running counter and they're running trap

1119
00:53:40,778 --> 00:53:43,378
Speaker 2: and they're running all these things with Alan that allow

1120
00:53:43,498 --> 00:53:46,738
Speaker 2: him to just walk into the end zone sometimes untouched

1121
00:53:47,018 --> 00:53:49,618
Speaker 2: for touchdowns like last week. You know, the Red Seas

1122
00:53:49,738 --> 00:53:52,458
Speaker 2: just parted and he just waltzed in for a touchdown

1123
00:53:52,498 --> 00:53:55,377
Speaker 2: from like three or four yards out. The Patriots need

1124
00:53:55,578 --> 00:53:58,098
Speaker 2: to get that stuff in the playbook next year, like

1125
00:53:58,218 --> 00:54:01,738
Speaker 2: it needs to be in the playbook next year. That's

1126
00:54:01,738 --> 00:54:04,817
Speaker 2: how you get competitive. I get it now. But that's

1127
00:54:04,858 --> 00:54:06,898
Speaker 2: how you get competitive on that side of the ball.

1128
00:54:07,658 --> 00:54:11,138
Speaker 2: So that's that's your coaching autopsy. Did you do three up,

1129
00:54:11,138 --> 00:54:12,658
Speaker 2: three down? Are you prepared?

1130
00:54:12,738 --> 00:54:15,938
Speaker 4: I am all right? Did we agree that we're retiring

1131
00:54:16,018 --> 00:54:17,857
Speaker 4: Christian ZoZ just saying he's good? Okay?

1132
00:54:18,458 --> 00:54:20,538
Speaker 2: So I have two up and four down because of

1133
00:54:20,658 --> 00:54:22,218
Speaker 2: you know that kind of game. That's what you get

1134
00:54:22,418 --> 00:54:25,058
Speaker 2: from me. So I'll just start because we both just

1135
00:54:25,098 --> 00:54:27,138
Speaker 2: said it. I had Christianzalees is the number one.

1136
00:54:27,378 --> 00:54:29,378
Speaker 4: I think he's just like he just counts it like

1137
00:54:29,418 --> 00:54:31,698
Speaker 4: we did with bar Moore last ye he's number one up.

1138
00:54:31,938 --> 00:54:33,498
Speaker 2: I still want to talk about it because there's not

1139
00:54:33,578 --> 00:54:35,578
Speaker 2: a whole lot of positives to talk about it right now.

1140
00:54:36,338 --> 00:54:38,058
Speaker 2: This to me was one of his best games as

1141
00:54:38,098 --> 00:54:41,258
Speaker 2: a pro. Now, Marvin Harrison Junior is maybe not the

1142
00:54:42,298 --> 00:54:46,858
Speaker 2: instant franchise number one receiver that we thought he was gonna.

1143
00:54:46,738 --> 00:54:50,098
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say we there because some people some people

1144
00:54:50,658 --> 00:54:52,418
Speaker 4: it said he was very good, but he was not

1145
00:54:52,578 --> 00:54:54,738
Speaker 4: going to instantly step in and fix everything. You did

1146
00:54:54,818 --> 00:54:57,498
Speaker 4: say that the way many thought you did say that.

1147
00:54:57,898 --> 00:55:00,538
Speaker 2: Now. I also had him and Malik Davers really close.

1148
00:55:00,618 --> 00:55:01,498
Speaker 2: By the end of the process.

1149
00:55:02,058 --> 00:55:04,258
Speaker 4: Has been good. I think he's just limited in that offense.

1150
00:55:04,778 --> 00:55:10,498
Speaker 2: So Christian Gonzales against Marvin Harrison Junior. I didn't write

1151
00:55:10,538 --> 00:55:13,298
Speaker 2: down routes. I think it was twenty two routes across

1152
00:55:13,338 --> 00:55:16,458
Speaker 2: from him in coverage, five targets, one catch, twenty three

1153
00:55:16,538 --> 00:55:20,018
Speaker 2: yards and it is a pick play. Didn't play it great,

1154
00:55:20,218 --> 00:55:20,658
Speaker 2: to be fair.

1155
00:55:21,818 --> 00:55:24,178
Speaker 4: I'm surprised more teams haven't done that to Gonzalez this year,

1156
00:55:24,218 --> 00:55:25,618
Speaker 4: and I think you're gonna start to see it more now.

1157
00:55:25,938 --> 00:55:29,058
Speaker 2: So he's usually pretty good at navigating it. On this one,

1158
00:55:29,098 --> 00:55:31,978
Speaker 2: I think he was in inside the slot. I think

1159
00:55:32,058 --> 00:55:34,738
Speaker 2: that sort of took him by surprise that they ran

1160
00:55:34,818 --> 00:55:38,898
Speaker 2: it that way. So he had PFF had him with

1161
00:55:39,018 --> 00:55:42,458
Speaker 2: two PBUs technically, I know the the box score after

1162
00:55:42,538 --> 00:55:45,058
Speaker 2: the game, I want to say had had three one

1163
00:55:45,098 --> 00:55:48,578
Speaker 2: of them now, but PFF tracks what they call forced

1164
00:55:48,658 --> 00:55:51,978
Speaker 2: in completions, which isn't necessarily that they get a hand

1165
00:55:52,018 --> 00:55:54,338
Speaker 2: in there to deflect the pass, but it's more just

1166
00:55:54,498 --> 00:55:57,578
Speaker 2: like such tight coverage that like there's no way the

1167
00:55:57,738 --> 00:56:00,098
Speaker 2: pass was going to be completed sort of thing. So

1168
00:56:00,178 --> 00:56:02,458
Speaker 2: they had four of those for him on five targets.

1169
00:56:02,458 --> 00:56:05,138
Speaker 2: So all the other targets that he had, he was

1170
00:56:05,338 --> 00:56:07,298
Speaker 2: just he had him in jail. I mean, he was

1171
00:56:07,498 --> 00:56:11,338
Speaker 2: just strapped in on Marvin Harrison Junior. This is one

1172
00:56:11,378 --> 00:56:14,538
Speaker 2: of those tapes that when you're Christian Gonzalez, who I

1173
00:56:14,618 --> 00:56:16,698
Speaker 2: talked to you this week, I have a post about

1174
00:56:16,738 --> 00:56:19,138
Speaker 2: it tomorrow. If you want to make the case that

1175
00:56:19,258 --> 00:56:22,098
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez is like an All Pro, a Pro Bowl

1176
00:56:22,218 --> 00:56:25,338
Speaker 2: caliber player this year, that this is this is the

1177
00:56:25,418 --> 00:56:28,098
Speaker 2: film that you show, Yeah, you know this was This

1178
00:56:28,258 --> 00:56:31,777
Speaker 2: was a league cornerback play by him on side. Yeah.

1179
00:56:31,978 --> 00:56:33,138
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't have much to add to that,

1180
00:56:33,298 --> 00:56:35,938
Speaker 4: just playing incredibly high level right now. I think, you know,

1181
00:56:36,098 --> 00:56:39,458
Speaker 4: the team's records probably hurting him in terms of some

1182
00:56:39,618 --> 00:56:42,098
Speaker 4: of that league recognition stuff, Pro Bowl, All Pro. But

1183
00:56:42,778 --> 00:56:45,058
Speaker 4: can you name five better corners in the NFL right now?

1184
00:56:45,458 --> 00:56:45,498
Speaker 7: No?

1185
00:56:45,778 --> 00:56:47,658
Speaker 2: I mean sir Tan's having a great year.

1186
00:56:47,858 --> 00:56:48,098
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1187
00:56:48,338 --> 00:56:52,298
Speaker 2: Uh, Stingley's having a great year. I would say that

1188
00:56:52,778 --> 00:56:55,138
Speaker 2: you're a third right, like you're you're you have an

1189
00:56:55,258 --> 00:56:58,777
Speaker 2: argument that Christian Gonzalez has been at worst the third

1190
00:56:58,858 --> 00:56:59,418
Speaker 2: best corners.

1191
00:56:59,538 --> 00:57:01,898
Speaker 4: By the way, this show had Stingley oversaw us that

1192
00:57:02,218 --> 00:57:04,658
Speaker 4: it did it did, did it did very proud. I

1193
00:57:04,778 --> 00:57:07,578
Speaker 4: was like annoyed by that one. It really goes to

1194
00:57:07,698 --> 00:57:10,298
Speaker 4: show and this is the last thing I promised have

1195
00:57:10,378 --> 00:57:10,618
Speaker 4: to move.

1196
00:57:10,698 --> 00:57:14,458
Speaker 2: But we've talked about this before, and I know Stefan

1197
00:57:14,538 --> 00:57:17,258
Speaker 2: Gilmore once he got into like a little bit cocky

1198
00:57:17,378 --> 00:57:19,298
Speaker 2: defensive player of the Year mode, which I loved.

1199
00:57:19,338 --> 00:57:21,618
Speaker 4: I love that version of Stefan Gilmore. Uh.

1200
00:57:21,698 --> 00:57:24,258
Speaker 2: He came out and said it like there's zone corners

1201
00:57:24,298 --> 00:57:27,538
Speaker 2: and there's man corners, like some of us, like Christian Gonzalez,

1202
00:57:27,618 --> 00:57:31,018
Speaker 2: like Stefan Gilmore, like Derek Stingley, Like we try right

1203
00:57:31,098 --> 00:57:32,858
Speaker 2: and we're gonna go with you all over the field,

1204
00:57:32,898 --> 00:57:35,338
Speaker 2: whether you're in the slot, whether you're left, you know,

1205
00:57:35,458 --> 00:57:36,978
Speaker 2: to the left of the quarterback, to the right of

1206
00:57:37,018 --> 00:57:38,098
Speaker 2: the quarterback.

1207
00:57:37,898 --> 00:57:39,338
Speaker 4: Like we're going with you everywhere.

1208
00:57:39,578 --> 00:57:42,018
Speaker 2: Then there's corners like Sauce Gardner that had just taken

1209
00:57:42,058 --> 00:57:44,418
Speaker 2: a deep third of the field and cover three all

1210
00:57:44,498 --> 00:57:47,058
Speaker 2: game long. And when you have a great pass rush,

1211
00:57:47,778 --> 00:57:49,418
Speaker 2: you all of a sudden you look great, right like

1212
00:57:49,778 --> 00:57:53,018
Speaker 2: you look fantastic. Oh wow, you know I easier job

1213
00:57:53,658 --> 00:57:54,498
Speaker 2: is an easier job.

1214
00:57:54,658 --> 00:57:55,938
Speaker 4: I've said this to you off there. I don't know

1215
00:57:55,978 --> 00:57:57,898
Speaker 4: that I've brought this take on the year before that

1216
00:57:58,458 --> 00:58:02,978
Speaker 4: Seattle three defense. Yes, is two corners with the Shanahan

1217
00:58:03,058 --> 00:58:06,738
Speaker 4: offenses to quarterbacks. Yeah, it takes a lot off their plate.

1218
00:58:06,938 --> 00:58:08,778
Speaker 4: It makes it very paint by number for them. It

1219
00:58:08,818 --> 00:58:10,658
Speaker 4: puts the emphasis some players in other positions.

1220
00:58:10,778 --> 00:58:12,698
Speaker 2: Yeah, good one. Who's your number two?

1221
00:58:13,098 --> 00:58:13,698
Speaker 4: My number two?

1222
00:58:13,938 --> 00:58:14,058
Speaker 8: Up?

1223
00:58:14,378 --> 00:58:16,538
Speaker 4: I had four because I didn't know if we were

1224
00:58:16,658 --> 00:58:18,898
Speaker 4: if I didn't remember if were tired Christian Azalz or not. Yeah,

1225
00:58:19,418 --> 00:58:23,018
Speaker 4: Drake May Yeah. I thought for what this game was,

1226
00:58:23,178 --> 00:58:27,298
Speaker 4: and they were obviously very conservative. Was that because the

1227
00:58:27,418 --> 00:58:29,698
Speaker 4: offensive line was struggling and they wanted to protect him?

1228
00:58:29,778 --> 00:58:32,498
Speaker 4: Was it just general conservativeness? Is probably some of both?

1229
00:58:33,338 --> 00:58:35,098
Speaker 4: For what this game was, he handled himself well. A

1230
00:58:35,098 --> 00:58:39,738
Speaker 4: couple bad snaps avoided disaster there. I thought, I know

1231
00:58:39,818 --> 00:58:41,658
Speaker 4: it's in garbage time. The throw to Kendrick Bourne's a

1232
00:58:41,698 --> 00:58:44,258
Speaker 4: really good throw. Your arm doesn't know how much times

1233
00:58:44,298 --> 00:58:47,098
Speaker 4: on the clock or what the scoreboard is Mechanically, physically,

1234
00:58:47,138 --> 00:58:49,018
Speaker 4: it's an impressive throw. Same with the play to Pop

1235
00:58:49,058 --> 00:58:52,978
Speaker 4: Douglas and he he turned the ball over, but that

1236
00:58:53,538 --> 00:58:55,938
Speaker 4: it hit the receiver in both hands. Yeah, like second,

1237
00:58:56,378 --> 00:58:57,698
Speaker 4: he didn't put the ball on Harm's way for a

1238
00:58:57,738 --> 00:58:59,698
Speaker 4: second straight game. He did have a spray, which we

1239
00:58:59,738 --> 00:59:01,458
Speaker 4: hadn't seen from him in a few weeks. Yeah, but

1240
00:59:02,458 --> 00:59:05,218
Speaker 4: it wasn't a dangerous throw. Was he just he missed it.

1241
00:59:05,298 --> 00:59:08,058
Speaker 4: It wasn't near anybody. You hope the sprays don't add up,

1242
00:59:08,498 --> 00:59:10,458
Speaker 4: you know, It's just all right. It came back, move

1243
00:59:10,538 --> 00:59:12,498
Speaker 4: on from it. But I thought for what this game was,

1244
00:59:12,778 --> 00:59:14,818
Speaker 4: this was a game where Drake may probably should have

1245
00:59:14,858 --> 00:59:16,898
Speaker 4: had a much worse game than he did, just given

1246
00:59:16,978 --> 00:59:20,338
Speaker 4: everything surrounding him, And yet he was solid.

1247
00:59:20,538 --> 00:59:22,618
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the reason why I didn't have him as

1248
00:59:22,618 --> 00:59:24,818
Speaker 2: an up isn't it because I didn't consider all the

1249
00:59:24,898 --> 00:59:25,418
Speaker 2: same things.

1250
00:59:25,658 --> 00:59:27,778
Speaker 4: They just asked so little of him in this game.

1251
00:59:28,458 --> 00:59:30,778
Speaker 2: And this is another thing about you know, I didn't

1252
00:59:30,818 --> 00:59:32,778
Speaker 2: bring this up with the whole rant about the offense,

1253
00:59:32,858 --> 00:59:35,618
Speaker 2: but this is my initial take after the game. So

1254
00:59:35,658 --> 00:59:39,098
Speaker 2: I didn't want to repeat myself too much. They just

1255
00:59:39,218 --> 00:59:43,098
Speaker 2: came out of this game. This was Patricia esk like

1256
00:59:43,258 --> 00:59:47,058
Speaker 2: in terms of like screen screen draw draw, right, Like,

1257
00:59:47,178 --> 00:59:50,818
Speaker 2: they just didn't put anything on his plate. And that,

1258
00:59:51,098 --> 00:59:54,418
Speaker 2: to me was really frustrating because for one and the

1259
00:59:54,498 --> 00:59:58,258
Speaker 2: boss says this all the time, Fred says, don't coddle him, right,

1260
00:59:58,378 --> 01:00:01,058
Speaker 2: like you did that with mac Jones. And it worked

1261
01:00:01,098 --> 01:00:03,738
Speaker 2: for one year, and then the more that was put

1262
01:00:03,818 --> 01:00:06,458
Speaker 2: on mac Jones's shoulders, the worst that it got, Like

1263
01:00:06,698 --> 01:00:09,578
Speaker 2: you have to see what you're capable of at this level.

1264
01:00:09,698 --> 01:00:11,258
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if it was coddling so much

1265
01:00:11,258 --> 01:00:14,538
Speaker 4: as protecting, especially in the wake of Van Pelt's comments today. Yeah,

1266
01:00:15,098 --> 01:00:17,778
Speaker 4: you look at the way that offensive line played early, right,

1267
01:00:18,338 --> 01:00:20,778
Speaker 4: I wonder if they saw that and said, yeah, we

1268
01:00:20,938 --> 01:00:25,578
Speaker 4: can't five step drops, No, those are off the play sheet. Rollouts, no,

1269
01:00:25,818 --> 01:00:27,538
Speaker 4: those are off the play sheet. Like I wonder if

1270
01:00:27,538 --> 01:00:29,178
Speaker 4: they just looked at it and said, we got to

1271
01:00:29,218 --> 01:00:30,938
Speaker 4: make sure he makes it through this game. The offense,

1272
01:00:31,058 --> 01:00:35,458
Speaker 4: like sometimes starting pitcher in baseball gets up there in

1273
01:00:35,458 --> 01:00:38,018
Speaker 4: the first inning, hangs a curveball and maybe it's a

1274
01:00:38,018 --> 01:00:40,858
Speaker 4: good pitch, but hangs his curveball and catcher looks at

1275
01:00:40,858 --> 01:00:43,218
Speaker 4: it and says, doesn't have the curveball today. We're throwing

1276
01:00:43,258 --> 01:00:45,858
Speaker 4: more fastballs, We're throwing more change ups. I wonder if

1277
01:00:45,858 --> 01:00:48,338
Speaker 4: they just went out there saw it. Offensive line doesn't

1278
01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:51,538
Speaker 4: have it today. We can't put the kid in in danger.

1279
01:00:51,658 --> 01:00:53,298
Speaker 4: Ear I hear that.

1280
01:00:53,618 --> 01:00:56,298
Speaker 2: But when you go into halftime and his average aery

1281
01:00:56,378 --> 01:01:00,658
Speaker 2: yards per target is negative point eight, like you're below zero. Yeah,

1282
01:01:01,258 --> 01:01:04,138
Speaker 2: and everything is near the line of scrimmage. They really

1283
01:01:04,218 --> 01:01:07,698
Speaker 2: didn't even remotely touch on opening up this offense until

1284
01:01:07,778 --> 01:01:08,738
Speaker 2: midway through the I'm.

1285
01:01:08,578 --> 01:01:11,418
Speaker 4: Not necessarily defending it. Like if they if the goal

1286
01:01:11,538 --> 01:01:13,778
Speaker 4: was to protect him, I get it, but they overdid it. Yeah,

1287
01:01:13,778 --> 01:01:16,098
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I wonder if that's what happened. I

1288
01:01:16,498 --> 01:01:19,738
Speaker 4: wonder if it was so much protecting Drake. May the

1289
01:01:19,858 --> 01:01:21,578
Speaker 4: rookie putting too much on his plate just for his

1290
01:01:21,618 --> 01:01:24,578
Speaker 4: physically protecting him with the blocking.

1291
01:01:24,698 --> 01:01:26,298
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm be in. Look, he grated out well again,

1292
01:01:26,778 --> 01:01:29,018
Speaker 2: but a lot of his plus players came late in

1293
01:01:29,138 --> 01:01:31,178
Speaker 2: this game. You know, some people would say, in garbage

1294
01:01:31,218 --> 01:01:36,058
Speaker 2: time of this game, Uh, the interception, I put it

1295
01:01:36,138 --> 01:01:38,578
Speaker 2: on Booty. But I also think he was late to

1296
01:01:38,698 --> 01:01:40,538
Speaker 2: the d cut a little bit because of the pressure.

1297
01:01:40,938 --> 01:01:43,178
Speaker 2: You know, that's one of those that it's probably more

1298
01:01:43,338 --> 01:01:46,058
Speaker 2: on Ben Brown getting beat and Booty dropping the pass,

1299
01:01:46,098 --> 01:01:48,698
Speaker 2: and it is on Drake. But I've seen him throw

1300
01:01:48,818 --> 01:01:51,978
Speaker 2: that ball sooner and better and like more on time,

1301
01:01:52,058 --> 01:01:54,178
Speaker 2: I guess is the better way to put it in

1302
01:01:54,338 --> 01:01:56,338
Speaker 2: the past, you know, like the ones to Kendrick Bourne

1303
01:01:56,338 --> 01:01:59,538
Speaker 2: against the Colts were just perfectly time, perfectly fit.

1304
01:02:00,018 --> 01:02:02,538
Speaker 4: Overlords at PFF said it wasn't a turnover worthy play.

1305
01:02:02,738 --> 01:02:04,938
Speaker 2: It's not a turnover worthy play, just like in my

1306
01:02:05,058 --> 01:02:07,338
Speaker 2: mind the Hunter Henry one on the goal line wasn't

1307
01:02:07,338 --> 01:02:08,378
Speaker 2: a turnover worthy play.

1308
01:02:08,738 --> 01:02:12,938
Speaker 4: But could it have been? Could have been better? Yeah, right,

1309
01:02:13,098 --> 01:02:15,658
Speaker 4: but it shouldn't. That throw shouldn't lead to a turnover. No,

1310
01:02:16,178 --> 01:02:17,698
Speaker 4: that's why it's not a turnover worthy play.

1311
01:02:18,218 --> 01:02:21,658
Speaker 2: Now. I just it goes back to the quarterback run

1312
01:02:21,738 --> 01:02:25,018
Speaker 2: thing for me as well. Like they they just they

1313
01:02:25,098 --> 01:02:27,218
Speaker 2: did not ask him to do a whole.

1314
01:02:27,058 --> 01:02:27,778
Speaker 4: Lot in this game.

1315
01:02:27,938 --> 01:02:30,138
Speaker 2: Yeah, And in my mind when I'm watching it, when

1316
01:02:30,138 --> 01:02:31,938
Speaker 2: I was about it right after the game, I'm like,

1317
01:02:32,058 --> 01:02:35,898
Speaker 2: he's not Bailey's appy, like right, Like you know, he's

1318
01:02:36,058 --> 01:02:40,298
Speaker 2: very talented. Like I don't understand why we're bottling up

1319
01:02:40,498 --> 01:02:42,498
Speaker 2: him up here, and then all of a sudden, you

1320
01:02:42,658 --> 01:02:46,378
Speaker 2: get it, Arizona starts playing some softer coverages. It's garbage time,

1321
01:02:46,418 --> 01:02:48,258
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. But like to your

1322
01:02:48,338 --> 01:02:50,818
Speaker 2: point that the goball to Kendrick Bourne in the fourth quarter,

1323
01:02:50,938 --> 01:02:53,298
Speaker 2: that's man to man right, Like, that's not they're not

1324
01:02:53,458 --> 01:02:55,858
Speaker 2: backing off there. They're playing press man across the board

1325
01:02:55,898 --> 01:02:58,378
Speaker 2: and he just throws a dime to Kendrick Bourne. Like,

1326
01:02:58,418 --> 01:03:00,498
Speaker 2: if you do that in the first quarter instead of

1327
01:03:00,578 --> 01:03:03,538
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, and that play doesn't take forever, that's

1328
01:03:03,618 --> 01:03:06,298
Speaker 2: not like he doesn't need four seconds to like get

1329
01:03:06,338 --> 01:03:08,418
Speaker 2: that throw off. But if you do that early in

1330
01:03:08,498 --> 01:03:10,578
Speaker 2: the game, then some of the short game stuff that

1331
01:03:10,658 --> 01:03:12,938
Speaker 2: they were trying to do now it almost makes the

1332
01:03:13,018 --> 01:03:16,418
Speaker 2: defense like respected a little right, Like you know, now

1333
01:03:16,458 --> 01:03:18,578
Speaker 2: maybe some of those swings and the screens and the

1334
01:03:18,658 --> 01:03:21,178
Speaker 2: flats and things like that, Like maybe that stuff like

1335
01:03:21,258 --> 01:03:23,018
Speaker 2: works out. You know, the little sticks that they like

1336
01:03:23,098 --> 01:03:24,858
Speaker 2: to run to the tight ends that the Cardinals will

1337
01:03:25,098 --> 01:03:27,738
Speaker 2: we're all over. Well, if you run a little stick

1338
01:03:27,858 --> 01:03:29,898
Speaker 2: nod right where he acts like he's gonna sit, and

1339
01:03:29,938 --> 01:03:31,698
Speaker 2: then he goes up the field, up the seam and

1340
01:03:31,818 --> 01:03:34,018
Speaker 2: he hits him early on in the game. Well, now,

1341
01:03:34,098 --> 01:03:36,898
Speaker 2: maybe they don't sit all over those throws underneath anymore.

1342
01:03:37,338 --> 01:03:38,978
Speaker 2: Those are the types of things that I just feel

1343
01:03:39,018 --> 01:03:41,418
Speaker 2: like they could have done better. Anyways, I digress my

1344
01:03:41,698 --> 01:03:43,698
Speaker 2: my second up in this game.

1345
01:03:44,978 --> 01:03:47,578
Speaker 4: You want some interesting breaking news here? Sure, the Jets

1346
01:03:47,618 --> 01:03:50,978
Speaker 4: have interviewed Senior Bowl executive director Jim Nagy for their

1347
01:03:51,058 --> 01:03:53,698
Speaker 4: GM job. Oh interesting? What do you think that?

1348
01:03:54,538 --> 01:03:58,098
Speaker 2: I like Jim Nagy? I really have enjoyed all my

1349
01:03:58,178 --> 01:04:00,178
Speaker 2: conversations that I've had with him. I think he's a

1350
01:04:00,218 --> 01:04:02,898
Speaker 2: bright football mind. I think it would behoove him to

1351
01:04:03,338 --> 01:04:05,418
Speaker 2: not have to gas up every single player that goes

1352
01:04:05,458 --> 01:04:07,458
Speaker 2: to Mobile, right, you know, I think that would that

1353
01:04:07,498 --> 01:04:07,938
Speaker 2: would help.

1354
01:04:09,458 --> 01:04:10,498
Speaker 4: He's very good.

1355
01:04:12,178 --> 01:04:18,458
Speaker 2: At putting together teams and understanding the landscape of college.

1356
01:04:18,938 --> 01:04:21,058
Speaker 2: So from that aspect, if you're just looking to be

1357
01:04:21,218 --> 01:04:24,378
Speaker 2: truly like a draft and developed team, it's a it's

1358
01:04:24,418 --> 01:04:25,458
Speaker 2: a good person to interview.

1359
01:04:25,618 --> 01:04:28,818
Speaker 4: Yeah, is he gonna use MAGN ratings? So that's the question. No,

1360
01:04:29,378 --> 01:04:31,298
Speaker 4: he is not. You saw that, right, did I can't.

1361
01:04:31,378 --> 01:04:33,658
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm choosing to believe that that story wasn't real.

1362
01:04:34,178 --> 01:04:36,618
Speaker 4: Next time people say who cares about the men ratings?

1363
01:04:36,658 --> 01:04:39,738
Speaker 4: Woody Johnson is a really great apparently really great. Apparently

1364
01:04:39,818 --> 01:04:40,458
Speaker 4: he cares.

1365
01:04:42,258 --> 01:04:46,498
Speaker 2: Number two up number two Antonio Gibson. Okay, I thought

1366
01:04:46,498 --> 01:04:49,258
Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson both running backs. Yeah, I thought Antonio Gibson

1367
01:04:49,338 --> 01:04:52,978
Speaker 2: was fantastic in this game. Continues to just pound the

1368
01:04:53,058 --> 01:04:57,418
Speaker 2: table for more and more opportunities. He had eleven forced

1369
01:04:57,498 --> 01:04:58,818
Speaker 2: miss tackles in this game.

1370
01:04:58,698 --> 01:05:01,018
Speaker 4: And he had more yards after contact than he had totally.

1371
01:05:01,338 --> 01:05:04,738
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he had forty four after contact as a runner,

1372
01:05:04,938 --> 01:05:07,138
Speaker 2: and then he had thirty three yards after the catch

1373
01:05:07,338 --> 01:05:10,978
Speaker 2: in the passing game. So he had seventy seven yards

1374
01:05:11,018 --> 01:05:12,138
Speaker 2: that he basically.

1375
01:05:11,858 --> 01:05:13,978
Speaker 4: He did on his own, did on his own. Yeah. No,

1376
01:05:14,178 --> 01:05:18,178
Speaker 4: he's good. Stevenson too. So the Patriots backs finished with

1377
01:05:18,218 --> 01:05:20,738
Speaker 4: one hundred and sixteen yards or sorry, no, that's with

1378
01:05:20,858 --> 01:05:23,738
Speaker 4: Drake may I'm not gonna do the math in my head.

1379
01:05:23,978 --> 01:05:27,218
Speaker 4: They they had how many did Drake may Drake may hae?

1380
01:05:27,298 --> 01:05:30,698
Speaker 4: None after contact? So the Patriots running backs finished with

1381
01:05:30,778 --> 01:05:33,938
Speaker 4: one hundred and two yards in this game. Ninety eight

1382
01:05:34,018 --> 01:05:35,338
Speaker 4: of those yards were after contact.

1383
01:05:35,538 --> 01:05:35,698
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1384
01:05:35,818 --> 01:05:37,618
Speaker 4: This you know, it was like early in the season

1385
01:05:37,618 --> 01:05:40,498
Speaker 4: against the Bengals where the running game worked. It wasn't

1386
01:05:40,498 --> 01:05:42,938
Speaker 4: because of the offensive line. It was those guys creating

1387
01:05:43,178 --> 01:05:46,418
Speaker 4: and good for them. And I thought, I think Ramondre Stevenson,

1388
01:05:46,498 --> 01:05:48,738
Speaker 4: after a rough stretch there in the middle of the year,

1389
01:05:48,858 --> 01:05:52,538
Speaker 4: continues to kind of get back into form. Here Gibson

1390
01:05:52,578 --> 01:05:54,138
Speaker 4: should have a bigger role. And you see as Gibson

1391
01:05:54,138 --> 01:05:56,938
Speaker 4: gets a bigger role, Ramondre Stevenson looks a little bit fresher.

1392
01:05:57,218 --> 01:05:58,418
Speaker 4: I wonder if those two things.

1393
01:05:58,778 --> 01:06:01,058
Speaker 2: They outside the by which I think did remind of

1394
01:06:01,178 --> 01:06:01,498
Speaker 2: the buy.

1395
01:06:01,458 --> 01:06:02,938
Speaker 4: But just as a hole for the last few weeks.

1396
01:06:03,018 --> 01:06:05,778
Speaker 4: So I thought both running backs ran hard, ran well.

1397
01:06:06,058 --> 01:06:08,698
Speaker 4: That was encouraging to see, especially like in theory. Obviously

1398
01:06:08,738 --> 01:06:11,058
Speaker 4: they're out of it now, but like these are probably

1399
01:06:11,058 --> 01:06:12,738
Speaker 4: gonna be their top two backs again next year, just

1400
01:06:12,778 --> 01:06:16,018
Speaker 4: based on contracts. Yeah, that kind of running. They're in Arizona,

1401
01:06:16,058 --> 01:06:18,418
Speaker 4: they're indoors. You get up here in the cold late

1402
01:06:18,458 --> 01:06:20,258
Speaker 4: in the year, you start running like that, you're gonna

1403
01:06:20,258 --> 01:06:21,578
Speaker 4: create some really big plays. Yeah.

1404
01:06:21,658 --> 01:06:23,458
Speaker 2: So that the one play at the end of the

1405
01:06:23,498 --> 01:06:25,738
Speaker 2: game by Gibson where he catches the ball that's a

1406
01:06:25,778 --> 01:06:28,218
Speaker 2: little behind him with one hand, then breaks like three

1407
01:06:28,338 --> 01:06:30,938
Speaker 2: tackles and goes for a pretty big and it's.

1408
01:06:30,818 --> 01:06:32,778
Speaker 4: Also with that those numbers, by the way, or without

1409
01:06:32,898 --> 01:06:35,298
Speaker 4: the one that was brought back on the Leaden Robinson.

1410
01:06:35,538 --> 01:06:38,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that was a big time play

1411
01:06:38,538 --> 01:06:40,178
Speaker 2: on that catch at the end of the game by

1412
01:06:40,218 --> 01:06:41,018
Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson.

1413
01:06:41,338 --> 01:06:46,018
Speaker 4: All right, anybody else? Yeah, I have one more Christian Ellis.

1414
01:06:46,298 --> 01:06:48,018
Speaker 4: I know it was a rough game for the defense

1415
01:06:48,058 --> 01:06:50,298
Speaker 4: as a whole, but he comes up. He tackles Kyler

1416
01:06:50,378 --> 01:06:52,298
Speaker 4: Murray in space on a third down. That's a really

1417
01:06:52,338 --> 01:06:55,378
Speaker 4: good tackle. Had another good tackle early on on the

1418
01:06:55,458 --> 01:06:59,218
Speaker 4: big James Connor run where Brill Peppers gets beat. You

1419
01:06:59,338 --> 01:07:02,338
Speaker 4: watch Christan Ellis on that. He comes almost all the

1420
01:07:02,378 --> 01:07:04,258
Speaker 4: way across the field to chase him down and make

1421
01:07:04,298 --> 01:07:07,578
Speaker 4: that tackle. Busted his ass. If not, that's a touchdown. Yeah,

1422
01:07:07,618 --> 01:07:10,378
Speaker 4: And I hate, I hate to give an up on

1423
01:07:10,458 --> 01:07:12,618
Speaker 4: a play that was a what fifty six yard run?

1424
01:07:13,218 --> 01:07:15,498
Speaker 4: And it was kind of just that kind of game.

1425
01:07:15,618 --> 01:07:19,898
Speaker 4: But this where this team is at record wise, this

1426
01:07:20,018 --> 01:07:22,338
Speaker 4: time of year, who's still trying, who's still giving it?

1427
01:07:22,418 --> 01:07:25,098
Speaker 4: There all? Christan Nellis played with great motor in this game.

1428
01:07:25,378 --> 01:07:27,018
Speaker 4: He made a couple of plays when nobody else on

1429
01:07:27,098 --> 01:07:30,378
Speaker 4: defense really did you talk about what's the playing down

1430
01:07:30,538 --> 01:07:32,138
Speaker 4: the road? How many of these guys are still going

1431
01:07:32,178 --> 01:07:33,898
Speaker 4: to be here. I don't think Christian Ellis is your

1432
01:07:33,898 --> 01:07:36,738
Speaker 4: starting linebacker. I think you need to find somebody with

1433
01:07:36,858 --> 01:07:38,938
Speaker 4: a more athletic skill set to play next to Juwan

1434
01:07:38,978 --> 01:07:41,978
Speaker 4: Bentley as a depth guy who's also gonna play on

1435
01:07:42,058 --> 01:07:45,498
Speaker 4: special teams and be kind of a spark plug. I'd

1436
01:07:45,578 --> 01:07:47,138
Speaker 4: like to see Christian Ellis on the team next year.

1437
01:07:47,138 --> 01:07:50,138
Speaker 4: I think he continues to prove that he belongs and

1438
01:07:50,498 --> 01:07:52,418
Speaker 4: should have a role. I don't know what that role is.

1439
01:07:52,458 --> 01:07:54,218
Speaker 4: It's probably not as big as it is this year,

1440
01:07:54,578 --> 01:07:56,618
Speaker 4: but I don't think it's nothing either. Yeah.

1441
01:07:56,698 --> 01:07:58,578
Speaker 2: No, I think it's a great point. I actually think

1442
01:07:58,858 --> 01:08:00,698
Speaker 2: you know, came away from this with the same thing

1443
01:08:00,778 --> 01:08:02,658
Speaker 2: with Christianallis, Like, if you can get him into a

1444
01:08:02,738 --> 01:08:06,098
Speaker 2: specialized role, you know, a third down, passing down situation

1445
01:08:06,658 --> 01:08:09,218
Speaker 2: type of role. Yeah, Like, I think he could be

1446
01:08:09,418 --> 01:08:11,458
Speaker 2: an effective player for you down the road. He's not

1447
01:08:11,538 --> 01:08:13,898
Speaker 2: a first and second down linebacker in this defense. We

1448
01:08:14,058 --> 01:08:16,617
Speaker 2: just talked about the whole Bentley, you know, sledge hammer,

1449
01:08:16,738 --> 01:08:20,258
Speaker 2: that whole thing. That's not his game. But yeah, absolutely,

1450
01:08:20,778 --> 01:08:23,617
Speaker 2: I think that he could play in this defense in

1451
01:08:23,778 --> 01:08:27,058
Speaker 2: the future. All right, to the downs, yep, I have

1452
01:08:27,178 --> 01:08:30,697
Speaker 2: four I have it could have been probably eight under

1453
01:08:30,778 --> 01:08:36,178
Speaker 2: ten number one Vederian Low Vderian Low number one by

1454
01:08:36,258 --> 01:08:42,458
Speaker 2: far h sack, three hurries, four run stuffs he was

1455
01:08:42,497 --> 01:08:45,777
Speaker 2: responsible for in this game, including uh, the the third

1456
01:08:45,858 --> 01:08:47,697
Speaker 2: and one it was a third and one and fourth

1457
01:08:47,777 --> 01:08:49,937
Speaker 2: and one, whichever one it was, it was one of

1458
01:08:49,978 --> 01:08:50,777
Speaker 2: those was his fault.

1459
01:08:50,978 --> 01:08:55,458
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget which one. I just come back to.

1460
01:08:55,617 --> 01:08:58,537
Speaker 2: With Viderian Low, you know he's gonna miss blocks, you

1461
01:08:58,697 --> 01:09:01,458
Speaker 2: know that he's gonna struggle at times because he's just

1462
01:09:01,857 --> 01:09:06,378
Speaker 2: limited talent wise. It really really gets off the reels

1463
01:09:06,418 --> 01:09:08,697
Speaker 2: for him when he's not locked in mentally, Like if

1464
01:09:08,737 --> 01:09:13,737
Speaker 2: he's not doing everything correctly all the time consistently, then

1465
01:09:13,978 --> 01:09:15,258
Speaker 2: he now he's a real problem.

1466
01:09:15,338 --> 01:09:17,817
Speaker 4: He doesn't really just have an okay game. No, like

1467
01:09:17,937 --> 01:09:20,338
Speaker 4: he either oh hey, Vaderian Low played well today, kind

1468
01:09:20,338 --> 01:09:22,098
Speaker 4: of played above it or like it was bad. You

1469
01:09:22,138 --> 01:09:23,577
Speaker 4: don't just see him sort of play alright.

1470
01:09:23,777 --> 01:09:25,497
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like the sack that he gave up, he

1471
01:09:25,617 --> 01:09:27,377
Speaker 2: just doesn't get out of his stance and gets.

1472
01:09:27,138 --> 01:09:30,218
Speaker 4: Blown by him with three blowbys, two of them are

1473
01:09:30,218 --> 01:09:32,178
Speaker 4: on ye in the game.

1474
01:09:32,298 --> 01:09:34,258
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the four run stuffs was just as

1475
01:09:34,258 --> 01:09:37,338
Speaker 2: big of a problem in this game, I thought than

1476
01:09:37,418 --> 01:09:38,617
Speaker 2: the pressures too.

1477
01:09:38,817 --> 01:09:41,737
Speaker 4: So look they it is what it is. And you

1478
01:09:41,857 --> 01:09:42,697
Speaker 4: hope that next year.

1479
01:09:42,777 --> 01:09:45,378
Speaker 2: No, no disrespective Darien Low, but you hope next year

1480
01:09:45,418 --> 01:09:47,817
Speaker 2: you have a better left tackle that's starting these games.

1481
01:09:48,458 --> 01:09:50,817
Speaker 4: But it's he played, so he's on the list. This

1482
01:09:50,937 --> 01:09:53,777
Speaker 4: is why no half measures at that position. Yeah, this

1483
01:09:53,897 --> 01:09:55,418
Speaker 4: is why I say I had him as well. I

1484
01:09:55,458 --> 01:09:57,577
Speaker 4: also just go to my second also on the offensive line,

1485
01:09:57,617 --> 01:10:00,458
Speaker 4: Ben Brown. Yeah. I gave the take last week that

1486
01:10:00,537 --> 01:10:02,378
Speaker 4: I would leave Ben Brown in for the sake of

1487
01:10:02,458 --> 01:10:05,017
Speaker 4: continuity with Drake May You gave the same tabe something

1488
01:10:05,258 --> 01:10:07,577
Speaker 4: like that. Apparently a bunch of people thought that was

1489
01:10:07,657 --> 01:10:09,817
Speaker 4: me saying Ben Brown was an All Pro and should

1490
01:10:09,857 --> 01:10:12,378
Speaker 4: never be removed from the lineup. That was not the case.

1491
01:10:12,777 --> 01:10:14,338
Speaker 2: And look, if you can't get the ball back to

1492
01:10:14,418 --> 01:10:19,218
Speaker 2: the quarterback, everything else beyond there doesn't really matter. And

1493
01:10:19,298 --> 01:10:21,298
Speaker 2: he didn't have a great game blocking either, But I

1494
01:10:21,378 --> 01:10:23,777
Speaker 2: mainly look at the two bad snaps. Was good for

1495
01:10:23,817 --> 01:10:25,338
Speaker 2: a couple of months, but you got to get the

1496
01:10:25,378 --> 01:10:27,338
Speaker 2: ball back to the quarterback. Nothing else matters if you

1497
01:10:27,378 --> 01:10:30,017
Speaker 2: can't do that. Yeah, the dribbles back to the quarterback

1498
01:10:30,058 --> 01:10:32,458
Speaker 2: were tough. I mean that he was my number two

1499
01:10:32,537 --> 01:10:35,617
Speaker 2: down too. Those were the two snaps were tough, and

1500
01:10:35,697 --> 01:10:37,977
Speaker 2: they came at tough spots to like just you know,

1501
01:10:38,737 --> 01:10:41,418
Speaker 2: opening drive, you're trying to get going. And then another

1502
01:10:41,497 --> 01:10:43,497
Speaker 2: one of them I was a third down, Yeah, put

1503
01:10:43,577 --> 01:10:45,657
Speaker 2: him in a bat third down spot. So like you

1504
01:10:45,697 --> 01:10:47,897
Speaker 2: had just two big spots for them too early on

1505
01:10:48,018 --> 01:10:50,657
Speaker 2: in the game. And then he also allowed three hurries

1506
01:10:50,697 --> 01:10:53,017
Speaker 2: in this game and was probably his worst game from

1507
01:10:53,058 --> 01:10:55,777
Speaker 2: a blocking standpoint. In pass protection too, he had some

1508
01:10:55,978 --> 01:10:59,977
Speaker 2: really uncharacteristically ugly reps in pass pro in this game,

1509
01:11:00,617 --> 01:11:03,737
Speaker 2: including on the interception where he just gets completely whipped

1510
01:11:04,178 --> 01:11:06,137
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and that caused the whole play

1511
01:11:06,178 --> 01:11:07,817
Speaker 2: to kind of be late. And you know, Drake made

1512
01:11:07,857 --> 01:11:09,897
Speaker 2: a throw a little bit off his back foot, and

1513
01:11:10,018 --> 01:11:12,657
Speaker 2: like all this kind of stuff. So it was a

1514
01:11:12,777 --> 01:11:15,418
Speaker 2: chain reaction from the get go that the center gets

1515
01:11:15,497 --> 01:11:17,777
Speaker 2: beat on the pressure and then all the other things

1516
01:11:17,857 --> 01:11:20,937
Speaker 2: happened in CONSEQUENTI because of that, if that play to

1517
01:11:21,058 --> 01:11:23,378
Speaker 2: Booty hits on time when he comes out of his break,

1518
01:11:23,458 --> 01:11:24,338
Speaker 2: it's a nice completion.

1519
01:11:24,577 --> 01:11:24,977
Speaker 4: It's there.

1520
01:11:25,817 --> 01:11:28,897
Speaker 2: But all these types of things contribute. So Ben Brown,

1521
01:11:29,378 --> 01:11:31,857
Speaker 2: number two down, I mean, look, it opens the door

1522
01:11:31,937 --> 01:11:34,497
Speaker 2: for Cole Strange. Absolutely, I still feel like it's a

1523
01:11:34,537 --> 01:11:36,537
Speaker 2: little unfair to Cole Strange to put him in an

1524
01:11:36,617 --> 01:11:41,458
Speaker 2: NFL game at center without any training camp, preseason, any

1525
01:11:41,577 --> 01:11:45,257
Speaker 2: sort of real work in there at a more live setting,

1526
01:11:45,378 --> 01:11:49,057
Speaker 2: Like you're not really practicing live this late in the season.

1527
01:11:49,697 --> 01:11:51,897
Speaker 2: So I still kind of err on the side that

1528
01:11:52,018 --> 01:11:55,577
Speaker 2: that might be a next season project with Cole Strange.

1529
01:11:56,218 --> 01:11:58,178
Speaker 2: But I definitely think that you have to at least

1530
01:11:59,218 --> 01:12:00,937
Speaker 2: I would at least have him active for the game

1531
01:12:01,458 --> 01:12:04,218
Speaker 2: on Sunday. Yeap, Who's next?

1532
01:12:04,657 --> 01:12:06,937
Speaker 4: My third one was Alex man Peltt. We already covered that, Yeah,

1533
01:12:07,058 --> 01:12:10,537
Speaker 4: just they went to shell. I get that there were limitations,

1534
01:12:10,657 --> 01:12:13,657
Speaker 4: but unable to pick up. Like when you're when you

1535
01:12:13,737 --> 01:12:16,057
Speaker 4: can't get one yard on two plays and you essentially

1536
01:12:16,138 --> 01:12:20,458
Speaker 4: run the same play back to back, it's not good. Yeah,

1537
01:12:20,657 --> 01:12:22,897
Speaker 4: not good, not good? All right. So my last two

1538
01:12:22,937 --> 01:12:26,537
Speaker 4: are on defense. Kyle Duggart probably should have somebody from defense,

1539
01:12:26,777 --> 01:12:28,818
Speaker 4: I'll say the safeties. Dugger and Peppers.

1540
01:12:28,577 --> 01:12:31,218
Speaker 2: Yeah play so yeah, I didn't think Pepper's played well either,

1541
01:12:31,338 --> 01:12:35,817
Speaker 2: But Kyle Dugger again just just not good enough, you know,

1542
01:12:35,978 --> 01:12:38,017
Speaker 2: just lost in zone coverage. A couple of times over

1543
01:12:38,058 --> 01:12:40,338
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. There was a third down

1544
01:12:40,418 --> 01:12:43,657
Speaker 2: where they dropped out of a pressure into zone and

1545
01:12:43,817 --> 01:12:46,657
Speaker 2: Trey McBride just crossed in front of his face for

1546
01:12:47,098 --> 01:12:51,977
Speaker 2: an uncontested third down conversion was third and six, and

1547
01:12:52,697 --> 01:12:56,338
Speaker 2: Dugger let Trey McBride go untouched for the first seven

1548
01:12:56,418 --> 01:12:59,737
Speaker 2: yards of his route, and so it was just too easy.

1549
01:13:00,617 --> 01:13:02,817
Speaker 2: The two miss tackles, you know, in the open field,

1550
01:13:02,857 --> 01:13:06,097
Speaker 2: were really really rough. Obviously, he's like the last line

1551
01:13:06,138 --> 01:13:09,258
Speaker 2: of defense on both plays, the doors screen and then

1552
01:13:09,338 --> 01:13:12,018
Speaker 2: the James Connor run, and he's got a chance to

1553
01:13:12,058 --> 01:13:15,697
Speaker 2: at least limit the damage. And you know, talking over

1554
01:13:15,737 --> 01:13:18,057
Speaker 2: the years with Devin mccordy, I remember that was always

1555
01:13:18,098 --> 01:13:20,297
Speaker 2: the biggest thing as being the last line of defense.

1556
01:13:20,577 --> 01:13:22,897
Speaker 2: It's already a big game, right like, if it's getting

1557
01:13:22,978 --> 01:13:25,017
Speaker 2: to you, if the ball is getting to you, it's

1558
01:13:25,058 --> 01:13:27,577
Speaker 2: already a big gain. But at least you can make

1559
01:13:27,617 --> 01:13:29,657
Speaker 2: it a twenty yard game instead of a fifty three

1560
01:13:29,737 --> 01:13:32,697
Speaker 2: yard game right now, it really helps out your defense.

1561
01:13:33,298 --> 01:13:36,418
Speaker 2: So Kyle Dugger, again I would say this about Kyle Dugger.

1562
01:13:36,458 --> 01:13:39,577
Speaker 2: I almost didn't have him on here because something is

1563
01:13:39,657 --> 01:13:44,298
Speaker 2: going on with Kyle duggery ankle mental. I don't know

1564
01:13:44,378 --> 01:13:47,817
Speaker 2: what it is, but they have to get him right,

1565
01:13:48,058 --> 01:13:50,937
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And maybe the offseason does that,

1566
01:13:51,138 --> 01:13:53,297
Speaker 2: you know, it's a reset and get away from football

1567
01:13:53,338 --> 01:13:56,418
Speaker 2: for a little bit. But Kyle duger Is just has

1568
01:13:56,537 --> 01:13:59,817
Speaker 2: not been good enough for weeks now. It's just every

1569
01:13:59,857 --> 01:14:03,857
Speaker 2: single week. Do you have anybody else? So my last

1570
01:14:03,937 --> 01:14:08,458
Speaker 2: one on defense was Jolanie Tovai, who, again, like do

1571
01:14:08,577 --> 01:14:12,218
Speaker 2: I necessarily blame him for being in these positions? Like no,

1572
01:14:12,378 --> 01:14:14,537
Speaker 2: it's probably more of like a roster issue or a

1573
01:14:14,657 --> 01:14:17,737
Speaker 2: talent issue or a coaching issue. But he's got two

1574
01:14:17,857 --> 01:14:21,137
Speaker 2: plays to make on third down where he makes contact

1575
01:14:21,178 --> 01:14:23,497
Speaker 2: with the runner with the receiver short of the line

1576
01:14:23,577 --> 01:14:25,657
Speaker 2: to gain and he whiffs on both of them right

1577
01:14:25,737 --> 01:14:28,378
Speaker 2: Like he had an opportunity early on in this game

1578
01:14:29,018 --> 01:14:31,657
Speaker 2: to stop James Connor on down and Connor brooke the

1579
01:14:31,697 --> 01:14:34,537
Speaker 2: tackle and got the first down. They just need him

1580
01:14:34,777 --> 01:14:36,857
Speaker 2: to be able to make those plays. You know, it's

1581
01:14:36,937 --> 01:14:39,577
Speaker 2: one or two plays. It's not a big deal in

1582
01:14:39,737 --> 01:14:41,977
Speaker 2: terms of volume in this game for Julani to vie,

1583
01:14:42,058 --> 01:14:44,577
Speaker 2: but I just thought those were two backbreaking third downs

1584
01:14:45,138 --> 01:14:47,138
Speaker 2: that that cost the defense. So I had to have

1585
01:14:47,258 --> 01:14:50,937
Speaker 2: some defensive guys on there. Let's open it up. And

1586
01:14:51,298 --> 01:14:54,018
Speaker 2: I know people have been waiting, so we appreciate it.

1587
01:14:54,138 --> 01:14:57,737
Speaker 2: And we got, as you can expect, Alex the entire

1588
01:14:57,817 --> 01:15:00,977
Speaker 2: email inboxes, draft and off season topics.

1589
01:15:01,497 --> 01:15:02,218
Speaker 4: So we'll get into that.

1590
01:15:02,497 --> 01:15:06,418
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1591
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1593
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Speaker 2: to find a location near you. All right, let's get

1594
01:15:15,537 --> 01:15:17,697
Speaker 2: to the phones. Patty is an aguam.

1595
01:15:17,777 --> 01:15:22,418
Speaker 4: What's up? Patty? Hey? How you doing.

1596
01:15:23,817 --> 01:15:25,977
Speaker 3: Pretty good? Hey listen, I don't know. I don't know

1597
01:15:25,978 --> 01:15:29,178
Speaker 3: if you're gonna have a show next week, but if

1598
01:15:29,218 --> 01:15:32,617
Speaker 3: you don't, I just wanted to stay the holidays, happy hanak, gentlemen,

1599
01:15:35,018 --> 01:15:37,178
Speaker 3: and I wanted to throw up a couple of hYP

1600
01:15:37,657 --> 01:15:42,497
Speaker 3: well just one hypothetical really well. Two, First off, will

1601
01:15:42,617 --> 01:15:45,338
Speaker 3: Campbell if his arms measure out, I want him. I

1602
01:15:45,338 --> 01:15:46,937
Speaker 3: don't care where they take him take them. Three, I

1603
01:15:46,937 --> 01:15:49,418
Speaker 3: don't give a you know, a flying f you know.

1604
01:15:50,537 --> 01:15:56,458
Speaker 3: The other thing is if the other idea that I

1605
01:15:56,577 --> 01:15:58,937
Speaker 3: had and Alex, I know this, this kind of drives

1606
01:15:58,978 --> 01:16:01,018
Speaker 3: you crazy, but but hear me out. Let's say that

1607
01:16:01,098 --> 01:16:04,977
Speaker 3: they do thank Higgins, or they're able to trade for

1608
01:16:05,058 --> 01:16:07,178
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf, you know, they get we get that big

1609
01:16:07,258 --> 01:16:13,617
Speaker 3: Stud X receiver, would you be opposed to maybe moving

1610
01:16:13,697 --> 01:16:16,497
Speaker 3: down the board a little bit, taking Luther Burden, who

1611
01:16:16,537 --> 01:16:18,737
Speaker 3: I know both of you guys love, and taking a

1612
01:16:18,777 --> 01:16:20,937
Speaker 3: guy like Connorley and this are like moving up to

1613
01:16:21,018 --> 01:16:24,018
Speaker 3: take Connory possibly at the end of the first or

1614
01:16:24,178 --> 01:16:27,777
Speaker 3: second I kind of I think, like Paulus said, I

1615
01:16:27,857 --> 01:16:29,418
Speaker 3: don't know if either of you guys have said this,

1616
01:16:29,657 --> 01:16:32,737
Speaker 3: but like I think we need two wide receivers, and

1617
01:16:32,817 --> 01:16:34,817
Speaker 3: I think we need two studs. And I think if

1618
01:16:34,897 --> 01:16:37,258
Speaker 3: we get that big X, you know that outside X

1619
01:16:37,338 --> 01:16:39,697
Speaker 3: and Evan you know I said this on PU today.

1620
01:16:40,458 --> 01:16:42,338
Speaker 3: I'm not really a believer in to Mario. I think

1621
01:16:42,378 --> 01:16:45,218
Speaker 3: we need something better in that slat and I would

1622
01:16:45,258 --> 01:16:47,258
Speaker 3: love to you know, we just we kind of need

1623
01:16:47,298 --> 01:16:50,378
Speaker 3: an overhaul at at those first two wide receiver positions,

1624
01:16:50,378 --> 01:16:51,697
Speaker 3: and I want to get your guys thoughts on that.

1625
01:16:51,737 --> 01:16:52,537
Speaker 3: I'll take it out there.

1626
01:16:52,978 --> 01:16:54,258
Speaker 2: Thanks, Patty, appreciate it.

1627
01:16:54,458 --> 01:16:54,817
Speaker 7: So I.

1628
01:16:56,418 --> 01:16:59,258
Speaker 2: I guess I agree to an extent with what he's

1629
01:16:59,258 --> 01:17:03,298
Speaker 2: saying about Pop Douglas, Like, Pop Douglas cannot be your

1630
01:17:03,378 --> 01:17:06,578
Speaker 2: number one receiver, right right, He probably can't be necessarily

1631
01:17:06,617 --> 01:17:09,577
Speaker 2: even your number two receiver on a good team, But

1632
01:17:09,857 --> 01:17:14,097
Speaker 2: he is a very useful slot and gadget player.

1633
01:17:14,218 --> 01:17:17,058
Speaker 4: If I have T Higgins and Luther Burden getting more

1634
01:17:17,098 --> 01:17:19,298
Speaker 4: attention coverage, suddenly Pop Douglas going to look like a

1635
01:17:19,378 --> 01:17:21,697
Speaker 4: much better player. Yeah, Like, I don't think that.

1636
01:17:22,378 --> 01:17:24,617
Speaker 2: I believe that there's a role for Pop Douglas as

1637
01:17:24,657 --> 01:17:26,617
Speaker 2: like a top three receiver in an offense if you

1638
01:17:26,697 --> 01:17:28,897
Speaker 2: build the room correctly.

1639
01:17:29,258 --> 01:17:29,418
Speaker 4: Right.

1640
01:17:29,577 --> 01:17:33,817
Speaker 2: So, look, I love loser Burden. I see where he's

1641
01:17:33,857 --> 01:17:36,697
Speaker 2: coming from. That Higgins and Burden together coming here. That

1642
01:17:36,897 --> 01:17:38,378
Speaker 2: pairing makes a lot of sense.

1643
01:17:39,258 --> 01:17:39,817
Speaker 4: I'm for it.

1644
01:17:40,697 --> 01:17:42,817
Speaker 2: I still am weary of the fact that you're not

1645
01:17:42,978 --> 01:17:46,617
Speaker 2: drafting a tackle probably until the thirties, maybe the twenties,

1646
01:17:46,777 --> 01:17:48,977
Speaker 2: like that, if you trade back in, I think we're

1647
01:17:49,018 --> 01:17:51,098
Speaker 2: both a little bit concerned about so doing that.

1648
01:17:51,218 --> 01:17:53,257
Speaker 4: But if you get the right guy, I know Patty's

1649
01:17:53,298 --> 01:17:55,338
Speaker 4: talking about it. You know that take annoys me. It's

1650
01:17:55,418 --> 01:17:58,098
Speaker 4: more than Josh Simmons. Think nothing against him personally, but

1651
01:17:59,577 --> 01:18:02,537
Speaker 4: not the guy coming off a significant knee injury, Like,

1652
01:18:02,737 --> 01:18:07,218
Speaker 4: that's specifically what bothers me. If they really like Arianta

1653
01:18:07,378 --> 01:18:10,057
Speaker 4: Rasii or they really like Josh Connery, who are probably

1654
01:18:10,098 --> 01:18:12,937
Speaker 4: gonna go at the highest in the mid twenties, right,

1655
01:18:14,338 --> 01:18:17,857
Speaker 4: and you swing that, I could be sold on that, Like, okay,

1656
01:18:18,058 --> 01:18:20,177
Speaker 4: that that makes some sense. You've got to really believe

1657
01:18:20,657 --> 01:18:23,097
Speaker 4: that either of those guys can be a Day one starter,

1658
01:18:23,857 --> 01:18:26,618
Speaker 4: but you could swing me on that. It's what specifically

1659
01:18:26,657 --> 01:18:29,897
Speaker 4: bugs me is either Josh Simmons or when you start

1660
01:18:29,937 --> 01:18:33,418
Speaker 4: talking about like Cameron Williams or Emery Jones, because those

1661
01:18:33,458 --> 01:18:35,657
Speaker 4: guys are right tackles, and I know that there's been

1662
01:18:35,737 --> 01:18:38,218
Speaker 4: some success moving guys from side to side this year,

1663
01:18:38,298 --> 01:18:41,458
Speaker 4: but it's another if that you have to deal with.

1664
01:18:42,018 --> 01:18:44,378
Speaker 4: Can you just draft a player that's a good player

1665
01:18:44,418 --> 01:18:46,817
Speaker 4: at that position, that is ready to play that position,

1666
01:18:47,098 --> 01:18:49,458
Speaker 4: not that has to rehab, not that has to learn

1667
01:18:49,497 --> 01:18:51,737
Speaker 4: a new position. Just a guy that is a left

1668
01:18:51,777 --> 01:18:54,257
Speaker 4: tackle that you believe can be a good left tackle, period,

1669
01:18:54,338 --> 01:18:57,058
Speaker 4: full stop. No position changes, no injuries, no, none of that.

1670
01:18:57,458 --> 01:18:59,298
Speaker 4: That's the hold up. If you want to sell me

1671
01:18:59,378 --> 01:19:02,177
Speaker 4: on the best path as T Higgins or DK Metcalf

1672
01:19:02,258 --> 01:19:04,338
Speaker 4: the outside X and then we're gonna move down to

1673
01:19:04,418 --> 01:19:06,497
Speaker 4: get Burden and use part of what we got moving

1674
01:19:06,537 --> 01:19:09,097
Speaker 4: down to move back up to get Erstrie or Connory.

1675
01:19:10,098 --> 01:19:12,418
Speaker 4: I don't know that it's what I would do, but

1676
01:19:12,537 --> 01:19:14,497
Speaker 4: i'd give a good grade for that. I would say

1677
01:19:14,537 --> 01:19:18,218
Speaker 4: that that's a pretty solid haul for it's a pretty

1678
01:19:18,497 --> 01:19:20,137
Speaker 4: I would say the positions are addressed.

1679
01:19:20,418 --> 01:19:23,937
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the idea in theory, and I agree

1680
01:19:23,978 --> 01:19:27,418
Speaker 2: that I would agree that it would be addressed right

1681
01:19:27,497 --> 01:19:29,458
Speaker 2: like they would. I feel like they would have attacked

1682
01:19:29,458 --> 01:19:31,697
Speaker 2: it if that's what they are I have done. I

1683
01:19:31,817 --> 01:19:33,737
Speaker 2: do think it's a little bit fantasy football. And I

1684
01:19:33,777 --> 01:19:35,497
Speaker 2: don't mean to pick on Patty, but it's just like

1685
01:19:37,378 --> 01:19:40,817
Speaker 2: that's a really difficult like Adam to split right, Like, Yeah,

1686
01:19:41,018 --> 01:19:43,418
Speaker 2: you've got to really wail that.

1687
01:19:43,697 --> 01:19:46,697
Speaker 4: You gotta really want to say this too. And I

1688
01:19:46,777 --> 01:19:48,218
Speaker 4: know nobody wants to hear this. Hate to be the

1689
01:19:48,258 --> 01:19:50,577
Speaker 4: bear of bad news. I won't get my hopes of

1690
01:19:50,617 --> 01:19:52,817
Speaker 4: POLTYE Higgins fam a Patriots fan. Did you see what

1691
01:19:52,897 --> 01:19:54,817
Speaker 4: he did in terms of his agency? Yeah, I did.

1692
01:19:55,418 --> 01:19:59,418
Speaker 4: He jamar chase his agent. I understand that's a pretty

1693
01:19:59,418 --> 01:20:03,418
Speaker 4: clear message, but I'm still I'm still not totally sold.

1694
01:20:03,458 --> 01:20:04,737
Speaker 2: That he doesn't hit free agency.

1695
01:20:04,817 --> 01:20:05,657
Speaker 4: I know you had.

1696
01:20:05,777 --> 01:20:07,857
Speaker 2: You know, Taylor Kyles and I have gone back and

1697
01:20:07,937 --> 01:20:10,537
Speaker 2: forth off the air about this a lot. I just

1698
01:20:11,617 --> 01:20:14,418
Speaker 2: for him to not hit free agency now after everything

1699
01:20:14,458 --> 01:20:19,177
Speaker 2: that's happened in Cincinnati. He's gonna make so much money

1700
01:20:19,537 --> 01:20:22,897
Speaker 2: on the open market. Yeah, but they would really have

1701
01:20:23,058 --> 01:20:24,577
Speaker 2: to blow him out of the water because like at

1702
01:20:24,617 --> 01:20:27,458
Speaker 2: this point, he's he's months away from being a free agent.

1703
01:20:27,857 --> 01:20:29,977
Speaker 2: You know, like it'd be different if he was still

1704
01:20:30,058 --> 01:20:32,657
Speaker 2: under team control for like another year or something like that.

1705
01:20:33,338 --> 01:20:35,817
Speaker 2: But at this point, like you've made it this far.

1706
01:20:36,298 --> 01:20:38,977
Speaker 2: So unless they come at you with like thirty plus

1707
01:20:39,138 --> 01:20:42,777
Speaker 2: million a year, and then I just I still think

1708
01:20:42,817 --> 01:20:43,537
Speaker 2: he goes to market.

1709
01:20:43,697 --> 01:20:46,378
Speaker 4: Joe Joe Burrow says what he says after that game.

1710
01:20:46,418 --> 01:20:48,937
Speaker 2: Well, they're clear the Burrow and and a little bit

1711
01:20:49,058 --> 01:20:51,258
Speaker 2: Chase too, are clearly lobbying to keep them like that

1712
01:20:51,497 --> 01:20:52,338
Speaker 2: that I think.

1713
01:20:52,298 --> 01:20:55,258
Speaker 4: That the Bengals would be I wouldn't piss those guys

1714
01:20:55,298 --> 01:20:57,098
Speaker 4: off from the Bengals, I'd be But if were the

1715
01:20:57,138 --> 01:20:58,217
Speaker 4: bengalsose guys.

1716
01:20:58,138 --> 01:21:01,338
Speaker 2: If you're the Bengals and you you obviously you know,

1717
01:21:01,458 --> 01:21:04,258
Speaker 2: extend Jamar Chase and get that done. Like, aren't you

1718
01:21:04,338 --> 01:21:07,178
Speaker 2: one of those teams if you're Cincinnati, where like you

1719
01:21:07,258 --> 01:21:10,137
Speaker 2: could probably draft a receiver that has a similar skill

1720
01:21:10,218 --> 01:21:14,937
Speaker 2: set and you're good enough offensively with those two guys that, like,

1721
01:21:15,018 --> 01:21:16,098
Speaker 2: it's not the Patriots that.

1722
01:21:16,098 --> 01:21:20,258
Speaker 4: Also their needs are on defense. That's if you pay those.

1723
01:21:20,537 --> 01:21:22,857
Speaker 4: If you get that, you know the offense is set,

1724
01:21:22,897 --> 01:21:24,537
Speaker 4: like the offensive line. They just used the first round

1725
01:21:24,577 --> 01:21:26,977
Speaker 4: pick on a tackle. Right, it's okay, we're gonna pay

1726
01:21:27,018 --> 01:21:29,777
Speaker 4: t Higgins and Padro mar Chase. Maybe you don't have

1727
01:21:29,817 --> 01:21:31,817
Speaker 4: a lot of money left, but all the money you

1728
01:21:31,897 --> 01:21:37,418
Speaker 4: have left and all of your draft resources now are defense. Defense. Defense. Right,

1729
01:21:37,577 --> 01:21:39,697
Speaker 4: You're gonna get maybe not Abdua Carter, they're not gonna

1730
01:21:39,737 --> 01:21:42,338
Speaker 4: pick that high, but you get maybe like a James

1731
01:21:42,458 --> 01:21:45,378
Speaker 4: Pierce right or a Chiha Campbell in the first round.

1732
01:21:45,657 --> 01:21:47,937
Speaker 4: You get that edge rusher you go, you get one

1733
01:21:47,978 --> 01:21:50,458
Speaker 4: of or they probably go corner first because it's not

1734
01:21:50,537 --> 01:21:52,418
Speaker 4: a good corner draft, and you get one of those

1735
01:21:52,497 --> 01:21:54,298
Speaker 4: day two edge guys, one of the Ohio state guys.

1736
01:21:54,338 --> 01:21:56,577
Speaker 4: You keep them in state. Right, you can address it's

1737
01:21:56,617 --> 01:22:00,338
Speaker 4: a it's a good linebacker draft, like you can this offseason.

1738
01:22:00,458 --> 01:22:02,577
Speaker 4: You can attack defense without spending a lot of for

1739
01:22:02,617 --> 01:22:04,817
Speaker 4: any team, you can attack defense without spending a lot

1740
01:22:04,897 --> 01:22:07,497
Speaker 4: of money. So that's what they need to attack. They

1741
01:22:07,577 --> 01:22:10,897
Speaker 4: can pay T Higgins and still think do what they

1742
01:22:10,978 --> 01:22:12,017
Speaker 4: need to do this offseason.

1743
01:22:12,138 --> 01:22:13,937
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. I just think it's two

1744
01:22:13,978 --> 01:22:14,537
Speaker 2: full of the bank.

1745
01:22:14,617 --> 01:22:16,777
Speaker 4: We call Tracks and ask him, Yeah, right, tell Trags

1746
01:22:16,817 --> 01:22:18,338
Speaker 4: call in, give us the Bengals offseason plan.

1747
01:22:18,657 --> 01:22:20,737
Speaker 2: It's two full to me with T Higgins still, though,

1748
01:22:21,138 --> 01:22:24,577
Speaker 2: one is you have to at least account for the

1749
01:22:24,657 --> 01:22:27,097
Speaker 2: Bengals of it all. Yeah, And the fact that it's

1750
01:22:27,098 --> 01:22:29,977
Speaker 2: a smaller market team and now they're about to give

1751
01:22:30,058 --> 01:22:32,817
Speaker 2: out what like a billion dollars in contracts to like

1752
01:22:32,937 --> 01:22:35,178
Speaker 2: three guys. Essentially it's gonna be less than that, but

1753
01:22:35,298 --> 01:22:38,218
Speaker 2: like I'm exaggerating a little bit. So you have to

1754
01:22:38,298 --> 01:22:41,657
Speaker 2: think about, Okay, we're you know, we're the Cincinnati Bengals,

1755
01:22:42,018 --> 01:22:44,217
Speaker 2: and we're like about to give out five hundred million

1756
01:22:44,258 --> 01:22:46,857
Speaker 2: dollars in contracts to three guys, right.

1757
01:22:46,857 --> 01:22:51,178
Speaker 4: And that that's matters, Like Toy, it does matter. I'm

1758
01:22:51,178 --> 01:22:55,537
Speaker 4: gonna own the franchise, right, How many guys are they paying?

1759
01:22:55,617 --> 01:22:57,418
Speaker 4: They don't have a ton of big contracts coming after that.

1760
01:22:57,458 --> 01:22:59,178
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a few years. You look at their

1761
01:22:59,258 --> 01:23:02,458
Speaker 4: drafts the last few years, there aren't. I mean, there's

1762
01:23:02,497 --> 01:23:06,378
Speaker 4: some decent players, but Okay, even if form Marius Mims,

1763
01:23:06,378 --> 01:23:08,378
Speaker 4: who was tackling drafted last year, if he picks out,

1764
01:23:08,897 --> 01:23:11,857
Speaker 4: you're not giving that contract for another five years. If

1765
01:23:11,897 --> 01:23:15,338
Speaker 4: you take the first year option. By then you're not

1766
01:23:15,458 --> 01:23:18,178
Speaker 4: signing Chase and Higgins the five year deals. Right, those

1767
01:23:18,218 --> 01:23:20,937
Speaker 4: guys are off the pall in. Chase is gonna get Chase,

1768
01:23:21,258 --> 01:23:22,777
Speaker 4: but not both of them. Chase is gonna get thirty

1769
01:23:22,817 --> 01:23:25,577
Speaker 4: five million a year, right, But I'm saying they don't

1770
01:23:25,817 --> 01:23:29,617
Speaker 4: really have burs paid. It's those two guys. A lot

1771
01:23:29,697 --> 01:23:32,178
Speaker 4: of the rest of theirs is either transactional or just

1772
01:23:32,298 --> 01:23:34,138
Speaker 4: really young and not doing for new contract for the

1773
01:23:34,138 --> 01:23:34,657
Speaker 4: next few years.

1774
01:23:34,697 --> 01:23:36,378
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is is I just know that that

1775
01:23:36,537 --> 01:23:39,937
Speaker 2: team is not it's not the Dallas Cowboys there.

1776
01:23:39,978 --> 01:23:43,577
Speaker 4: Well, the Cowboys are too. They're not printing money, is

1777
01:23:43,617 --> 01:23:46,817
Speaker 4: my point over there? You don't really have a Los

1778
01:23:46,857 --> 01:23:48,378
Speaker 4: Angeles Dodgers in the Uh.

1779
01:23:48,937 --> 01:23:51,257
Speaker 2: The other thing I would say about this with the Bengals,

1780
01:23:52,298 --> 01:23:54,937
Speaker 2: I do think that there's an argument and maybe I

1781
01:23:55,058 --> 01:23:56,897
Speaker 2: would be dead wrong and it would set them back,

1782
01:23:56,978 --> 01:23:59,058
Speaker 2: and we could you know, I would allow for that

1783
01:23:59,178 --> 01:24:00,737
Speaker 2: to be right. But I do think that there's an

1784
01:24:00,857 --> 01:24:05,697
Speaker 2: argument that they have the infrastructure to just keep on

1785
01:24:05,978 --> 01:24:08,697
Speaker 2: doing what they always do in Cincinnati, which is just

1786
01:24:08,817 --> 01:24:12,298
Speaker 2: draft and develop, right, and so like is there I

1787
01:24:12,697 --> 01:24:13,497
Speaker 2: just I don't.

1788
01:24:13,298 --> 01:24:16,338
Speaker 4: Know if they're not going to agitate Joe Burrow, I guess.

1789
01:24:16,458 --> 01:24:18,298
Speaker 2: But like if you draft Joe Burrow, if you pay

1790
01:24:18,418 --> 01:24:21,418
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase and you draft Joe Burrow like a day

1791
01:24:21,497 --> 01:24:24,418
Speaker 2: two wide receiver that's in the similar mold as too, you're.

1792
01:24:24,258 --> 01:24:25,298
Speaker 4: Talking about letting them both go.

1793
01:24:25,817 --> 01:24:28,897
Speaker 2: No, no, no, absolutely not if you're signing Jamar Chase

1794
01:24:29,258 --> 01:24:33,097
Speaker 2: and you're drafting a Day two receiver that you feel like, hey,

1795
01:24:33,378 --> 01:24:35,577
Speaker 2: they I mean, Jamar Chase didn't really need development. So

1796
01:24:35,577 --> 01:24:37,218
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna give them too much credit for that one.

1797
01:24:37,458 --> 01:24:41,057
Speaker 2: But like they seem like a team that Yoshiva's t Higgins,

1798
01:24:41,138 --> 01:24:42,497
Speaker 2: Like these guys are making plays.

1799
01:24:42,777 --> 01:24:46,338
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're kind of pitching aj Brown trailing Burks right

1800
01:24:46,338 --> 01:24:49,298
Speaker 4: now a little bit really because you have Chase. They

1801
01:24:49,378 --> 01:24:51,977
Speaker 4: didn't have another guy. But you're you're kind of taking

1802
01:24:52,018 --> 01:24:52,778
Speaker 4: the mystery.

1803
01:24:52,497 --> 01:24:56,258
Speaker 2: Blocks, Okay, but you're you're pitching that with Joe Burrow

1804
01:24:56,298 --> 01:25:00,138
Speaker 2: and Jamar Chase. You're not picking that with Ryan Tannehill, right, Like,

1805
01:25:00,978 --> 01:25:04,458
Speaker 2: It's a different infrastructure. And I just think that good

1806
01:25:04,577 --> 01:25:07,977
Speaker 2: teams tend to spread the money around, right, you know,

1807
01:25:08,138 --> 01:25:10,178
Speaker 2: and like tend to take like more of like the

1808
01:25:10,258 --> 01:25:13,497
Speaker 2: Kansas City approach, where we have the quarterback that's gonna

1809
01:25:13,497 --> 01:25:17,458
Speaker 2: make everybody better. So that's just my argument that the

1810
01:25:17,537 --> 01:25:20,057
Speaker 2: Bengals might not blow t Higgins out of the water

1811
01:25:20,657 --> 01:25:23,257
Speaker 2: with the contract offer that makes it so he doesn't

1812
01:25:23,258 --> 01:25:25,258
Speaker 2: go to market. Well, I just think the messaging out

1813
01:25:25,298 --> 01:25:27,577
Speaker 2: of there right now is pretty strong. I agree, but

1814
01:25:27,697 --> 01:25:30,097
Speaker 2: I'm not closing the door. All right, all right, Reggie

1815
01:25:30,178 --> 01:25:31,657
Speaker 2: is in Peabody. What's up, Reggie?

1816
01:25:33,777 --> 01:25:38,458
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I'm just I'm curious. I understand all the

1817
01:25:38,497 --> 01:25:42,097
Speaker 7: conversation about the rosters, talent and everything like that. I'm

1818
01:25:42,218 --> 01:25:45,018
Speaker 7: just thinking back on twenty twenty, when, you know, with

1819
01:25:45,218 --> 01:25:48,298
Speaker 7: the Cam Newton year, when we won seven games, which

1820
01:25:48,378 --> 01:25:50,338
Speaker 7: might end up being the amount of games we've probably

1821
01:25:50,458 --> 01:25:53,458
Speaker 7: went over the last two years. I'm curious how you

1822
01:25:53,577 --> 01:25:58,178
Speaker 7: see from a you know, from each position group, how

1823
01:25:58,298 --> 01:26:01,577
Speaker 7: this this roster today compared to the twenty twenty I

1824
01:26:01,657 --> 01:26:04,537
Speaker 7: remember excuse me. That was the year we had Nikio,

1825
01:26:04,617 --> 01:26:07,378
Speaker 7: Harry de mere Bird, a young Jacobi Meyers. I'd say

1826
01:26:07,458 --> 01:26:09,777
Speaker 7: our wide receivers were better, are better now.

1827
01:26:10,897 --> 01:26:13,218
Speaker 10: Than they were then. Our offensive line, I mean we

1828
01:26:13,298 --> 01:26:17,218
Speaker 10: had Joe Toney that year, Justin Haran Isaiah Win, which

1829
01:26:17,258 --> 01:26:21,097
Speaker 10: was an issue at left tackle. I mean Dalton Kincaid

1830
01:26:21,258 --> 01:26:26,857
Speaker 10: and and and Devin Asiassi. I'd say our tight ends

1831
01:26:26,897 --> 01:26:29,217
Speaker 10: are much better now. I'm curious to see, like, position

1832
01:26:29,338 --> 01:26:31,937
Speaker 10: group I, position group, you feel this roster today from

1833
01:26:31,978 --> 01:26:33,537
Speaker 10: here to how we did it in twenty twenty.

1834
01:26:33,697 --> 01:26:34,218
Speaker 7: Thank you guys.

1835
01:26:34,657 --> 01:26:37,298
Speaker 2: Thanks Gregy, Dalton Keene, I think is what he meant there.

1836
01:26:38,857 --> 01:26:40,617
Speaker 2: It's tough because they had all the opt outs in

1837
01:26:40,697 --> 01:26:41,218
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.

1838
01:26:41,338 --> 01:26:46,537
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty might is one of Belichick's finest works, just

1839
01:26:46,617 --> 01:26:49,817
Speaker 4: getting that team to seven wins. I also think it's

1840
01:26:49,897 --> 01:26:52,137
Speaker 4: tough to use that year as a comparison for anything

1841
01:26:52,497 --> 01:26:55,258
Speaker 4: because there were so many added variables, and I think

1842
01:26:55,338 --> 01:27:00,777
Speaker 4: just Belichick's experience and his ability to create a routine

1843
01:27:00,978 --> 01:27:04,697
Speaker 4: in a pattern like factor in a year where so

1844
01:27:04,857 --> 01:27:11,017
Speaker 4: much was weird. Yeah, the militaristic approach played so well. Yeah,

1845
01:27:11,218 --> 01:27:12,657
Speaker 4: not that I don't not that I think it ever

1846
01:27:12,697 --> 01:27:17,057
Speaker 4: played poorly, but twenty twenty is kind of its own

1847
01:27:17,178 --> 01:27:20,258
Speaker 4: thing because of all the external I know the question

1848
01:27:20,418 --> 01:27:22,338
Speaker 4: about the roster talent, but I'm with you, we can

1849
01:27:22,418 --> 01:27:25,777
Speaker 4: do the exertion. Brian Hoyer, Cam Newton, Jared Stidham, First,

1850
01:27:25,937 --> 01:27:28,097
Speaker 4: Drake Madjeor, Kobe Brissett, Joe Milton.

1851
01:27:28,178 --> 01:27:30,378
Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely, you know, Drake is definitely the best

1852
01:27:30,537 --> 01:27:32,977
Speaker 2: quarterback out of that group from where Cam was at

1853
01:27:33,018 --> 01:27:36,298
Speaker 2: that point of his career. But I just think the

1854
01:27:36,338 --> 01:27:38,298
Speaker 2: biggest thing to me when I look at that team

1855
01:27:39,537 --> 01:27:43,338
Speaker 2: is that offensively, that team had an identity right like

1856
01:27:43,418 --> 01:27:46,178
Speaker 2: that that team could run the ball. Yeah, they could

1857
01:27:46,258 --> 01:27:48,897
Speaker 2: run the football, and they used the quarterback and they

1858
01:27:48,937 --> 01:27:51,338
Speaker 2: could really run the ball. And to mcdaniels's credit, he

1859
01:27:52,018 --> 01:27:55,338
Speaker 2: designed an offense around Cam Newton on the fly, which

1860
01:27:55,378 --> 01:27:58,338
Speaker 2: I thought was really impressive, and they had a really

1861
01:27:58,458 --> 01:28:00,138
Speaker 2: I know, you know, he brings up Isaiah Win and

1862
01:28:00,218 --> 01:28:03,577
Speaker 2: stuff like that, But that line, especially on the interior,

1863
01:28:03,777 --> 01:28:06,737
Speaker 2: was Tony Andrews Mason. Like that was a really really

1864
01:28:06,897 --> 01:28:09,817
Speaker 2: solid offensive line in the middle of that group, and

1865
01:28:10,058 --> 01:28:12,458
Speaker 2: they were able to run the football all basically all

1866
01:28:12,537 --> 01:28:15,817
Speaker 2: season long, even when Cam started to decay as a thrower.

1867
01:28:16,338 --> 01:28:19,138
Speaker 2: They were still able to run the ball. So as

1868
01:28:19,218 --> 01:28:21,577
Speaker 2: much as I would say that, you could probably say

1869
01:28:21,657 --> 01:28:23,617
Speaker 2: that the talent might be a little bit better in

1870
01:28:23,697 --> 01:28:25,777
Speaker 2: some spots this year than it was in twenty twenty.

1871
01:28:26,298 --> 01:28:29,338
Speaker 2: That twenty twenty team was playing together in a lot

1872
01:28:29,378 --> 01:28:31,497
Speaker 2: of ways, you know, and they they had identities on

1873
01:28:31,577 --> 01:28:34,178
Speaker 2: both sides of the football that this team doesn't have.

1874
01:28:34,458 --> 01:28:36,937
Speaker 2: So I don't know, you know, I probably would say

1875
01:28:36,978 --> 01:28:39,537
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty team was was was better because they

1876
01:28:39,657 --> 01:28:41,977
Speaker 2: were better, Like, they won more games, right, Like, they

1877
01:28:42,298 --> 01:28:44,817
Speaker 2: they were more competitive, even if like we could sit

1878
01:28:44,897 --> 01:28:47,258
Speaker 2: here and say Hunter Henry is a better tight end

1879
01:28:47,338 --> 01:28:50,418
Speaker 2: than Devin Ossi Ossi. And was it Ben Watson right,

1880
01:28:50,458 --> 01:28:51,857
Speaker 2: the corpse of Ben Watson?

1881
01:28:51,937 --> 01:28:53,298
Speaker 4: Oh, it was. It was the rookies, it was.

1882
01:28:53,937 --> 01:28:55,338
Speaker 2: It wasn't Ben Watson on that team.

1883
01:28:55,458 --> 01:28:57,897
Speaker 4: No, he didn't come back until I think the next year.

1884
01:28:57,937 --> 01:28:59,697
Speaker 4: I thought he came back in twenty he came back. No,

1885
01:28:59,777 --> 01:29:01,378
Speaker 4: because I remember talking to the locker room. We weren't

1886
01:29:01,378 --> 01:29:02,657
Speaker 4: in the locker room that year. He might not have

1887
01:29:02,697 --> 01:29:05,097
Speaker 4: been back. No, he was back the year before because

1888
01:29:05,138 --> 01:29:07,977
Speaker 4: he came back with Brady. So did he come back

1889
01:29:07,978 --> 01:29:10,017
Speaker 4: the year he came back nineteen Yeah, yeah, when when

1890
01:29:10,098 --> 01:29:12,537
Speaker 4: Gronk retired late, they brought him back. Okay, I got

1891
01:29:12,577 --> 01:29:15,258
Speaker 4: my years mixed up, but yeah, I look, I don't

1892
01:29:15,258 --> 01:29:16,817
Speaker 4: know how you can sit here and say that the

1893
01:29:16,897 --> 01:29:19,218
Speaker 4: twenty twenty team was worse when they won three more games,

1894
01:29:19,298 --> 01:29:22,217
Speaker 4: four more games than this feam is going to Brad

1895
01:29:22,458 --> 01:29:23,977
Speaker 4: Is in Ohio. What's up, Brad?

1896
01:29:25,817 --> 01:29:32,418
Speaker 5: OHI Gods good, Mary Christmas is so yeah, well.

1897
01:29:33,697 --> 01:29:34,018
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1898
01:29:34,657 --> 01:29:38,818
Speaker 5: I just wanted to make a couple observations and suggestions

1899
01:29:38,857 --> 01:29:42,537
Speaker 5: and see you guys take on these. So we know

1900
01:29:42,737 --> 01:29:45,018
Speaker 5: that we haven't been able to run the ball. And

1901
01:29:45,338 --> 01:29:47,737
Speaker 5: I know I've asked you this before, Evan, I think

1902
01:29:47,857 --> 01:29:50,857
Speaker 5: both of you. We haven't been able to run the

1903
01:29:50,937 --> 01:29:55,418
Speaker 5: ball continually throughout this whole year. We can't even get

1904
01:29:55,458 --> 01:30:00,298
Speaker 5: a yard when we need to. And how were we

1905
01:30:00,777 --> 01:30:04,458
Speaker 5: last year in regards to where we're ranked now in

1906
01:30:04,617 --> 01:30:07,418
Speaker 5: regards in regards to that same type of running when

1907
01:30:07,897 --> 01:30:11,977
Speaker 5: City Style actually played on the team and actually was

1908
01:30:12,098 --> 01:30:15,737
Speaker 5: on the line, not lined up as a fullback. Which

1909
01:30:15,937 --> 01:30:19,617
Speaker 5: leads me to say we should draft in Breteston of

1910
01:30:19,777 --> 01:30:22,977
Speaker 5: Michigan if that's what we need, a player like that.

1911
01:30:24,537 --> 01:30:27,937
Speaker 5: But can you can you correlate that for me? Evan

1912
01:30:28,058 --> 01:30:32,258
Speaker 5: and two of you kind of give me where we're

1913
01:30:32,298 --> 01:30:35,857
Speaker 5: at now compared to where we was when City fell.

1914
01:30:35,937 --> 01:30:38,497
Speaker 5: I knew could block and get a yard at the

1915
01:30:38,577 --> 01:30:41,737
Speaker 5: goal line. He's flattened Cameron Hayward and now he can't

1916
01:30:41,777 --> 01:30:42,378
Speaker 5: block at all.

1917
01:30:42,537 --> 01:30:48,298
Speaker 8: I'm confused. So and then I know McCary page from

1918
01:30:48,537 --> 01:30:53,098
Speaker 8: a free stafety of Michigan Coaston Ludlin a tight end.

1919
01:30:54,098 --> 01:30:57,138
Speaker 8: The tight end from Penn State and the tight end

1920
01:30:57,178 --> 01:31:02,897
Speaker 8: from Bowling Green are players that I think are really

1921
01:31:03,058 --> 01:31:05,777
Speaker 8: going to be a better bit or a better player

1922
01:31:05,857 --> 01:31:06,617
Speaker 8: than the wide.

1923
01:31:06,418 --> 01:31:09,657
Speaker 5: Receivers that are available in the draft. And they're like

1924
01:31:09,857 --> 01:31:12,178
Speaker 5: second round picks, I think. So what do you think

1925
01:31:12,218 --> 01:31:15,497
Speaker 5: about that too, in regards to a tight end, the

1926
01:31:15,657 --> 01:31:19,257
Speaker 5: young tight end to fit in with Drake for the future.

1927
01:31:19,657 --> 01:31:22,097
Speaker 4: So thank you, thanks Brad, thanks for the call.

1928
01:31:22,258 --> 01:31:25,178
Speaker 2: So to the first point about the full back and

1929
01:31:25,298 --> 01:31:26,777
Speaker 2: like all that kind of stuff, I didn't really get

1930
01:31:26,817 --> 01:31:28,497
Speaker 2: what he was saying about City, So I guess just

1931
01:31:28,617 --> 01:31:28,857
Speaker 2: just that.

1932
01:31:29,178 --> 01:31:31,057
Speaker 4: They were able to run the all the said. He's

1933
01:31:31,058 --> 01:31:33,017
Speaker 4: sow in the lineup last year, I think, and now

1934
01:31:33,058 --> 01:31:35,178
Speaker 4: he's not in the lineup, So would putting him and

1935
01:31:35,218 --> 01:31:37,897
Speaker 4: help them run the ball. Got it so think I.

1936
01:31:37,897 --> 01:31:40,138
Speaker 2: Would say that they have struggled to run the ball

1937
01:31:40,218 --> 01:31:42,458
Speaker 2: for three years now, like going back to twenty twenty

1938
01:31:42,537 --> 01:31:46,497
Speaker 2: two with Matt Patricia. Their last really good run year

1939
01:31:47,098 --> 01:31:51,777
Speaker 2: in my mind was twenty one with McDaniels. Now, there's

1940
01:31:51,777 --> 01:31:55,378
Speaker 2: an argument to be made there about full backs, right,

1941
01:31:55,497 --> 01:31:57,897
Speaker 2: like McDaniel's used the full back as we all know,

1942
01:31:58,258 --> 01:31:58,937
Speaker 2: and they don't.

1943
01:31:58,817 --> 01:31:59,617
Speaker 4: Use a full back now.

1944
01:31:59,697 --> 01:32:02,858
Speaker 2: They really pivoted away from the full back in Patricia's

1945
01:32:02,937 --> 01:32:06,737
Speaker 2: year in twenty two. But McDaniel's also just a really

1946
01:32:06,777 --> 01:32:10,817
Speaker 2: good run game coordinator, always has been, was really good

1947
01:32:10,857 --> 01:32:12,737
Speaker 2: in Vegas, like that was the one thing with Josh

1948
01:32:12,817 --> 01:32:15,178
Speaker 2: Jacobs that they were actually good at on offense and

1949
01:32:15,338 --> 01:32:18,937
Speaker 2: Vegas was running the football. Josh Jacobs won the rushing title,

1950
01:32:19,018 --> 01:32:23,298
Speaker 2: right McDaniels first season as the coach Chare So I

1951
01:32:23,378 --> 01:32:25,218
Speaker 2: give a lot of that credit to McDaniels. I think

1952
01:32:25,218 --> 01:32:27,418
Speaker 2: he's a really good schemer in the run game and

1953
01:32:27,537 --> 01:32:28,537
Speaker 2: does a nice job there.

1954
01:32:28,857 --> 01:32:30,298
Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty twenty two rushing leader.

1955
01:32:30,857 --> 01:32:33,977
Speaker 2: The City SO thing is interesting. I would say the

1956
01:32:34,058 --> 01:32:37,378
Speaker 2: City So thing is interesting because it doesn't feel like

1957
01:32:38,218 --> 01:32:42,378
Speaker 2: this regime identifies with City, so as their draft pick

1958
01:32:42,857 --> 01:32:46,897
Speaker 2: and Scott Peters wasn't here, Alex Van Pelt wasn't here,

1959
01:32:47,697 --> 01:32:50,218
Speaker 2: it definitely feels like they are trying to make their

1960
01:32:50,298 --> 01:32:54,897
Speaker 2: guy work in Leiden Robinson instead, and for better or worse, right, Like,

1961
01:32:55,098 --> 01:32:57,617
Speaker 2: I don't have the answer to that question. I think

1962
01:32:57,657 --> 01:33:01,218
Speaker 2: they're both similar players. Frankly, I think that they're both

1963
01:33:01,338 --> 01:33:04,937
Speaker 2: physical downhill blockers. I think they both struggle in pass protection,

1964
01:33:05,058 --> 01:33:07,378
Speaker 2: and I think they're both decent at moving the line

1965
01:33:07,378 --> 01:33:10,458
Speaker 2: of scrimmage in the run game. So the fact that

1966
01:33:10,537 --> 01:33:12,897
Speaker 2: they like Leyden Robinson a little bit more than City,

1967
01:33:12,978 --> 01:33:16,298
Speaker 2: so I think it's kind of a coin toss. Like,

1968
01:33:16,577 --> 01:33:18,497
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of, you know, a picker flavor.

1969
01:33:18,617 --> 01:33:20,298
Speaker 4: By the way, Trags years must have been burning. He

1970
01:33:20,378 --> 01:33:22,897
Speaker 4: just tweeted this out just now, this quote from Jamar Chase.

1971
01:33:23,697 --> 01:33:26,298
Speaker 4: I just talking about Rocky Arsenow, the agent.

1972
01:33:26,537 --> 01:33:26,737
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1973
01:33:26,817 --> 01:33:29,057
Speaker 4: I just told him we're stuck together for life. Now

1974
01:33:29,218 --> 01:33:32,338
Speaker 4: we're locked in for life. Now there's a possible chance

1975
01:33:33,138 --> 01:33:36,138
Speaker 4: both of a sign with the Bengals long term possible. Well,

1976
01:33:36,777 --> 01:33:38,898
Speaker 4: I asked Trags. Trags thinks it's happening.

1977
01:33:38,737 --> 01:33:42,057
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Trags know better than me. I'm just if

1978
01:33:42,098 --> 01:33:44,378
Speaker 2: I'm t Higgins, I'm going to market. That's all I'm saying.

1979
01:33:44,418 --> 01:33:46,617
Speaker 4: Well, both both can be true, both can be true.

1980
01:33:47,937 --> 01:33:49,777
Speaker 2: The second point, what was the second point?

1981
01:33:49,817 --> 01:33:51,418
Speaker 4: And I forgot he just listed a bunch of guys

1982
01:33:51,458 --> 01:33:51,937
Speaker 4: in the draft.

1983
01:33:52,418 --> 01:33:55,058
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the whole tight end thing. We've talked a

1984
01:33:55,098 --> 01:33:56,977
Speaker 2: little bit about the tight end thing, like I think

1985
01:33:57,018 --> 01:33:59,378
Speaker 2: it could have. I think Drake likes throwing a tight ends.

1986
01:33:59,418 --> 01:34:00,137
Speaker 2: I think that's clear.

1987
01:34:00,817 --> 01:34:02,617
Speaker 4: You want to get the pipeline ready. You want the

1988
01:34:02,737 --> 01:34:05,098
Speaker 4: next guy Hunter. Henry's gonna have two years left on

1989
01:34:05,138 --> 01:34:07,897
Speaker 4: his deal. It's really one concrete year. He's older now.

1990
01:34:08,178 --> 01:34:10,217
Speaker 4: You want to get and tight ends generally take longer

1991
01:34:10,258 --> 01:34:13,097
Speaker 4: to develop than the average position. I'm all for getting

1992
01:34:13,098 --> 01:34:15,897
Speaker 4: the next guy in the building and getting going. And

1993
01:34:16,298 --> 01:34:18,697
Speaker 4: you know he replaces Austin Hooper is your second tight

1994
01:34:18,817 --> 01:34:20,418
Speaker 4: end next year, and then the year two he takes over,

1995
01:34:20,857 --> 01:34:23,138
Speaker 4: Loveland and Warren are going to be first round picks. Yeah.

1996
01:34:23,218 --> 01:34:27,617
Speaker 4: I would not invest that heavily in that position, especially

1997
01:34:27,697 --> 01:34:31,697
Speaker 4: with how deep this draft is. At tight end, you're

1998
01:34:31,737 --> 01:34:33,418
Speaker 4: gonna get a ton of good project players. So we

1999
01:34:33,497 --> 01:34:36,537
Speaker 4: mentioned Harold Fannin from Bowling Green Yeah, he's gonna be

2000
01:34:36,537 --> 01:34:39,577
Speaker 4: an interesting one because he's the first consensus or he's

2001
01:34:39,617 --> 01:34:41,977
Speaker 4: the first All American in the history of bowling Green.

2002
01:34:42,338 --> 01:34:44,458
Speaker 4: But he's coming from the MAC. You got to evaluate

2003
01:34:44,577 --> 01:34:47,817
Speaker 4: that thing. I like Mason Taylor from LSU. I like

2004
01:34:47,897 --> 01:34:51,418
Speaker 4: Gunner Helm from Texas. Bunch of Day three guys. Mitchell

2005
01:34:51,458 --> 01:34:53,298
Speaker 4: Evans is my player to watch for Notre Dame in

2006
01:34:53,378 --> 01:34:55,977
Speaker 4: the college football playoff. Yeah, he's old school. You want

2007
01:34:56,058 --> 01:34:59,177
Speaker 4: like an old school tight end who is big, blocks

2008
01:34:59,218 --> 01:35:02,497
Speaker 4: his ass off, wins with physicality at the short and intermediate.

2009
01:35:03,218 --> 01:35:06,498
Speaker 4: That's Mitchell Evans. We'll see you know, Oscar del Terrence Ferguson.

2010
01:35:08,098 --> 01:35:09,977
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of there's a bunch of tight ends

2011
01:35:10,018 --> 01:35:13,097
Speaker 4: in this draft, like they'll they'll find somebody. Colston Lovin's

2012
01:35:13,098 --> 01:35:15,617
Speaker 4: a good player, Tyler Warren's a good player. I don't

2013
01:35:15,617 --> 01:35:16,977
Speaker 4: think they need to use a first round pick on

2014
01:35:17,058 --> 01:35:17,737
Speaker 4: a tight end right now.

2015
01:35:17,937 --> 01:35:23,057
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely something that I don't necessarily see

2016
01:35:23,098 --> 01:35:25,458
Speaker 2: as like a pressing enough need to use a first

2017
01:35:25,577 --> 01:35:27,298
Speaker 2: round pick, Like if they were getting a guy that

2018
01:35:27,378 --> 01:35:29,497
Speaker 2: they thought was gonna truly be like the number one

2019
01:35:29,577 --> 01:35:31,897
Speaker 2: weapon in their offense. It's like a Travis Kelce Rob

2020
01:35:31,937 --> 01:35:34,857
Speaker 2: Gronkowski like level tight end, then that would be a

2021
01:35:34,897 --> 01:35:38,097
Speaker 2: different story. I don't maybe Warren, Like I think Jacob

2022
01:35:38,098 --> 01:35:40,137
Speaker 2: Warren is really talented Tyler.

2023
01:35:40,737 --> 01:35:42,577
Speaker 4: Why do they think Jacob because he was a tight

2024
01:35:42,697 --> 01:35:45,657
Speaker 4: end here for like a minute, Jacob Warren. Yeah, he

2025
01:35:45,897 --> 01:35:48,378
Speaker 4: was out of Tennessee. He was the Tennessee guy that

2026
01:35:48,497 --> 01:35:49,737
Speaker 4: came with the Bay.

2027
01:35:51,657 --> 01:35:56,458
Speaker 2: I had a reason Tyler Warren. I could see maybe

2028
01:35:56,577 --> 01:36:00,857
Speaker 2: him being like uh in that upper echellent you know. Like,

2029
01:36:01,338 --> 01:36:02,817
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm getting at is like, if there's

2030
01:36:02,817 --> 01:36:05,497
Speaker 2: a Rock Bowers in this draft, then I maybe would

2031
01:36:05,537 --> 01:36:07,497
Speaker 2: think a little bit differently because now you're thinking, Okay,

2032
01:36:07,537 --> 01:36:09,298
Speaker 2: we're gonna build the offense.

2033
01:36:08,978 --> 01:36:11,258
Speaker 4: Around this guy. I don't know that Tyler Warren is

2034
01:36:11,298 --> 01:36:13,418
Speaker 4: that guy. I don't think so either. And even if

2035
01:36:13,458 --> 01:36:16,937
Speaker 4: he is, like so, I guess the counter would be

2036
01:36:17,058 --> 01:36:19,097
Speaker 4: we talked about it earlier, right, do you trade down

2037
01:36:19,577 --> 01:36:25,177
Speaker 4: and then trade up and receiver tackle? If enough teams

2038
01:36:25,218 --> 01:36:27,138
Speaker 4: are scared off by Will Campbell but you believe he's

2039
01:36:27,178 --> 01:36:29,977
Speaker 4: a tackle, do you trade down slightly, move back up

2040
01:36:30,018 --> 01:36:33,577
Speaker 4: and take time Warren instead of maybe Meg Buca like

2041
01:36:33,617 --> 01:36:36,537
Speaker 4: a receiver late first round pass Catcher. Yeah, it's possible.

2042
01:36:36,897 --> 01:36:38,497
Speaker 2: I could hear it, and that would probably be how

2043
01:36:38,537 --> 01:36:40,497
Speaker 2: that would have to happen. Like I said, I Drake

2044
01:36:40,577 --> 01:36:41,777
Speaker 2: definitely likes throwing a tight end.

2045
01:36:41,897 --> 01:36:43,857
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I want them to draft a tight end

2046
01:36:43,897 --> 01:36:45,338
Speaker 4: with the upside. I want them to get a guy

2047
01:36:45,378 --> 01:36:47,218
Speaker 4: in the building. But when you look at some of

2048
01:36:47,258 --> 01:36:50,817
Speaker 4: these guys, like again, I like Gunnerhelm, Yeah, he has

2049
01:36:50,897 --> 01:36:53,297
Speaker 4: tight end one upside, He's just not nearly as polished

2050
01:36:53,458 --> 01:36:56,657
Speaker 4: as Tyler Warrens. And they can afford to have a

2051
01:36:56,697 --> 01:36:58,777
Speaker 4: guy who's not gonna be ready year one because ideal

2052
01:36:58,777 --> 01:37:00,617
Speaker 4: he's gonna be playing behind Hunter Henry to start.

2053
01:37:00,857 --> 01:37:02,737
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this because you know I

2054
01:37:02,897 --> 01:37:04,298
Speaker 2: like this guy, and so I have to bring it

2055
01:37:04,378 --> 01:37:08,737
Speaker 2: up and obvious connection here. You know what what happened

2056
01:37:08,737 --> 01:37:10,857
Speaker 2: to Bryson as a bit like why is because he

2057
01:37:11,058 --> 01:37:14,017
Speaker 2: was somebody that was considered maybe a top fifty, top

2058
01:37:14,058 --> 01:37:16,537
Speaker 2: one hundred guy. Am I Bronk like last year?

2059
01:37:16,657 --> 01:37:16,857
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2060
01:37:17,458 --> 01:37:17,697
Speaker 8: He was.

2061
01:37:17,937 --> 01:37:20,497
Speaker 4: He's from North Carolina, he played with Drake Manah, he

2062
01:37:20,577 --> 01:37:22,817
Speaker 4: was a top one fifty guy. He missed some time

2063
01:37:23,058 --> 01:37:23,537
Speaker 4: he was hurt.

2064
01:37:23,697 --> 01:37:23,897
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2065
01:37:23,978 --> 01:37:26,697
Speaker 4: I would also say their offense must have stunk without

2066
01:37:26,897 --> 01:37:30,617
Speaker 4: so well, it's not just without Drake. Max Johnson in

2067
01:37:30,817 --> 01:37:33,218
Speaker 4: who is a transfer from Texas A and M who

2068
01:37:33,298 --> 01:37:35,697
Speaker 4: they brought in to replace him, snapped his leg in

2069
01:37:35,777 --> 01:37:39,577
Speaker 4: the first game, and then Jacobe Criswell got banged up

2070
01:37:39,577 --> 01:37:43,338
Speaker 4: at times. They had a whole quarterback carousel thingo. By

2071
01:37:43,338 --> 01:37:45,937
Speaker 4: the way, Max Johnson, he's his son of Brad Johnson,

2072
01:37:46,258 --> 01:37:49,097
Speaker 4: total Belichick quarterback. I would not like from the outside

2073
01:37:49,138 --> 01:37:50,697
Speaker 4: looking in, I would not be surprised off his Bill's

2074
01:37:50,737 --> 01:37:53,057
Speaker 4: quarterback this year. Like if he was in the draft

2075
01:37:53,138 --> 01:37:55,817
Speaker 4: and Bill was here, I would be saying, the Patriot's

2076
01:37:55,857 --> 01:37:59,697
Speaker 4: gonna draft Max Johnson. But you know he got banged up.

2077
01:38:00,537 --> 01:38:03,577
Speaker 4: The quarterback play wasn't good. He's one of these guys,

2078
01:38:03,657 --> 01:38:06,577
Speaker 4: you know how I love to talk about this. How

2079
01:38:06,657 --> 01:38:08,817
Speaker 4: do you view like how much of a recency bias

2080
01:38:08,897 --> 01:38:11,418
Speaker 4: is there for teams watching him? Are you looking at

2081
01:38:11,937 --> 01:38:13,857
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three? Are you only looking at him in

2082
01:38:13,857 --> 01:38:15,497
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four? If you look at him in twenty

2083
01:38:15,537 --> 01:38:18,177
Speaker 4: twenty three, he's a high Day three pick with upset.

2084
01:38:18,218 --> 01:38:19,697
Speaker 4: The other thing is like he can't he doesn't block.

2085
01:38:20,018 --> 01:38:23,537
Speaker 4: He's a receiver and maybe he develops into a blocker eventually.

2086
01:38:23,577 --> 01:38:27,257
Speaker 4: Like Hunter Henry did, but he is a pass catching

2087
01:38:27,338 --> 01:38:30,378
Speaker 4: tight end. So we have some breaking Patriots news, okay,

2088
01:38:30,737 --> 01:38:34,897
Speaker 4: and it's not positive breaking Patriots needs. So Christian Barmore

2089
01:38:35,218 --> 01:38:36,657
Speaker 4: has been shut down for the season.

2090
01:38:37,258 --> 01:38:40,577
Speaker 2: He had a I'll just read the statement out loud

2091
01:38:40,577 --> 01:38:43,338
Speaker 2: because I don't want to mince words here. The Newland

2092
01:38:43,378 --> 01:38:46,977
Speaker 2: Patriots are placing defensive linemen Christian Barmore on the reserve

2093
01:38:47,138 --> 01:38:51,138
Speaker 2: non football illness list after he experienced some reoccurring symptoms

2094
01:38:51,497 --> 01:38:55,657
Speaker 2: that required further evaluation. We appreciate everything Christian did to

2095
01:38:55,737 --> 01:38:58,337
Speaker 2: return to the team this season, but our top priority

2096
01:38:58,458 --> 01:39:00,897
Speaker 2: is Christian's health and well being. We know that he

2097
01:39:00,937 --> 01:39:04,298
Speaker 2: will continue to receive tremendous care. You want to ensure

2098
01:39:04,338 --> 01:39:06,817
Speaker 2: that he gets the time he needs to come back

2099
01:39:06,897 --> 01:39:10,737
Speaker 2: stronger than ever. So my feelings on this are first

2100
01:39:10,777 --> 01:39:13,977
Speaker 2: and foremost. Obviously, you know, thoughts are with Christian Barmore

2101
01:39:14,018 --> 01:39:18,258
Speaker 2: and hope everything is okay. From that standpoint, I thought

2102
01:39:18,338 --> 01:39:20,857
Speaker 2: that watching him play since he came back from this

2103
01:39:21,018 --> 01:39:25,137
Speaker 2: issue was tough at times, and he just wasn't himself.

2104
01:39:25,298 --> 01:39:27,378
Speaker 2: He was clearly a shell of himself, as it would

2105
01:39:27,418 --> 01:39:31,737
Speaker 2: be totally expected given the circumstances at.

2106
01:39:31,657 --> 01:39:32,338
Speaker 4: Three and eleven.

2107
01:39:32,577 --> 01:39:35,537
Speaker 2: If he's starting to feel something that's not right, this

2108
01:39:35,777 --> 01:39:38,018
Speaker 2: is absolutely the right move for him in the in

2109
01:39:38,058 --> 01:39:42,458
Speaker 2: the organization. Long term, he needs to get healthy, which

2110
01:39:42,497 --> 01:39:44,657
Speaker 2: I hope he does, and then he needs a full

2111
01:39:44,737 --> 01:39:47,458
Speaker 2: off season to get his body back to where it

2112
01:39:47,657 --> 01:39:52,178
Speaker 2: was before this all happened. That's this is obviously tough news, though.

2113
01:39:52,218 --> 01:39:53,897
Speaker 2: I feel for him because I know he worked really

2114
01:39:53,937 --> 01:39:54,617
Speaker 2: hard to get back.

2115
01:39:54,777 --> 01:39:58,138
Speaker 4: Yeah, and look good thing that they caught whatever this

2116
01:39:59,178 --> 01:40:02,897
Speaker 4: reoccurrence is right, and that he didn't go out there

2117
01:40:02,937 --> 01:40:06,098
Speaker 4: and play on it and risk getting hurt further. You

2118
01:40:06,218 --> 01:40:07,857
Speaker 4: hope he can be back next year with this kind

2119
01:40:07,857 --> 01:40:10,857
Speaker 4: of thing. You always wonder about the long term mature

2120
01:40:10,857 --> 01:40:15,497
Speaker 4: of his career, But yeah, thoughts with him and hopefully

2121
01:40:15,577 --> 01:40:17,497
Speaker 4: he can you know, get done when he needs to

2122
01:40:17,497 --> 01:40:19,258
Speaker 4: get done as quick as possible. Yeah.

2123
01:40:19,378 --> 01:40:22,977
Speaker 2: Look, I love watching Christian Barmore play. There was nothing

2124
01:40:23,058 --> 01:40:25,138
Speaker 2: more that that guy needed to do this year.

2125
01:40:25,617 --> 01:40:28,617
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, we were talking about that in practice today.

2126
01:40:28,737 --> 01:40:31,217
Speaker 4: Like the fact that he got back on the field,

2127
01:40:31,338 --> 01:40:34,617
Speaker 4: and I'm sure mentally as much as anything was huge

2128
01:40:34,697 --> 01:40:38,017
Speaker 4: for him to just climb past that and now it's

2129
01:40:38,178 --> 01:40:40,057
Speaker 4: just he's gotta do it again.

2130
01:40:40,298 --> 01:40:42,697
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean, look, that was a big one.

2131
01:40:43,058 --> 01:40:46,097
Speaker 2: You know you we talked about this, I think another time.

2132
01:40:46,178 --> 01:40:49,897
Speaker 2: But like these guys that they signed or extended in

2133
01:40:50,018 --> 01:40:53,298
Speaker 2: the off season that they were really expecting to be

2134
01:40:53,458 --> 01:40:55,777
Speaker 2: kind of like foundational elements.

2135
01:40:55,258 --> 01:40:55,857
Speaker 4: Of this team.

2136
01:40:56,737 --> 01:41:02,857
Speaker 2: Barmore, Dugger, Pepper's Remandre on Wenu. A lot of these

2137
01:41:02,978 --> 01:41:07,378
Speaker 2: guys were either hurt, had you know, extenuating circumstances off

2138
01:41:07,418 --> 01:41:11,018
Speaker 2: the field, and they just didn't They didn't answer the

2139
01:41:11,058 --> 01:41:12,897
Speaker 2: buck in a lot of different ways. And it's not

2140
01:41:12,978 --> 01:41:16,137
Speaker 2: Barmore's fault, right that this is a rare blood condition

2141
01:41:16,298 --> 01:41:19,178
Speaker 2: is not his fault. But the point being that, you know,

2142
01:41:19,218 --> 01:41:21,378
Speaker 2: when you sign these guys and you count on these

2143
01:41:21,458 --> 01:41:24,737
Speaker 2: guys to have that go by the wayside is really

2144
01:41:24,817 --> 01:41:26,697
Speaker 2: a big reason why they are where they are. Like

2145
01:41:26,817 --> 01:41:30,418
Speaker 2: if they had twenty twenty three, Christian Barmore twenty twenty three,

2146
01:41:30,657 --> 01:41:34,298
Speaker 2: Jabriel Pepper's twenty twenty three Juwan Bentley, do I think

2147
01:41:34,338 --> 01:41:37,018
Speaker 2: that they would be five ten wins better and in

2148
01:41:37,098 --> 01:41:39,897
Speaker 2: the playoffs? Like, No, of course not, but they would

2149
01:41:39,937 --> 01:41:42,697
Speaker 2: be a better team on defense for sure with those guys.

2150
01:41:42,857 --> 01:41:43,378
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

2151
01:41:43,537 --> 01:41:46,018
Speaker 2: Yeah. So a tough one for the Patriots there with

2152
01:41:46,098 --> 01:41:49,338
Speaker 2: Christian Barmore. But I'd like to reiterate I actually think

2153
01:41:49,418 --> 01:41:53,097
Speaker 2: this is in some ways what's best for the player anyways.

2154
01:41:53,218 --> 01:41:55,697
Speaker 2: Like I just I think having him roll out there

2155
01:41:55,817 --> 01:41:58,418
Speaker 2: just wasn't right anyway. And he even said when he

2156
01:41:58,458 --> 01:42:00,258
Speaker 2: first came back like he wasn't in football shape. I

2157
01:42:01,258 --> 01:42:03,378
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised. It's just like mental just getting him

2158
01:42:03,418 --> 01:42:05,897
Speaker 2: back on the field. So he got that Yeah, you know,

2159
01:42:06,098 --> 01:42:08,897
Speaker 2: got over that hump. All right, So let's get back

2160
01:42:08,937 --> 01:42:11,458
Speaker 2: to the last couple of emails here after that. Yeah,

2161
01:42:11,497 --> 01:42:12,337
Speaker 2: it's kind of depressing.

2162
01:42:12,497 --> 01:42:14,697
Speaker 4: I'll just bounce back. I was gonna say on Bryson,

2163
01:42:14,897 --> 01:42:17,657
Speaker 4: don't don't sleep on Bryson as but as a draft pick,

2164
01:42:17,817 --> 01:42:20,098
Speaker 4: just watch him. I know you don't always do this.

2165
01:42:20,258 --> 01:42:21,418
Speaker 4: Just watch him in twenty twenty three.

2166
01:42:21,537 --> 01:42:23,657
Speaker 2: No, I watched him in twenty twenty three with Drake

2167
01:42:23,697 --> 01:42:26,338
Speaker 2: all right, yeah already have watched Yeah, and look like

2168
01:42:26,857 --> 01:42:29,937
Speaker 2: he's to me, is one of those players that can

2169
01:42:29,978 --> 01:42:33,577
Speaker 2: get up to and as I like like Henter Henry

2170
01:42:33,617 --> 01:42:36,178
Speaker 2: a lot, I like Austin Hooper a lot, but they're

2171
01:42:36,258 --> 01:42:40,458
Speaker 2: not necessarily like explosive like field stretching tight ends, right

2172
01:42:40,577 --> 01:42:43,777
Speaker 2: that can do those sort of things Drake May rifle

2173
01:42:43,857 --> 01:42:46,018
Speaker 2: and throws up the scene to Bryce Nesbit was like

2174
01:42:46,458 --> 01:42:50,097
Speaker 2: a regular thing at North Carolina over the last two years,

2175
01:42:50,497 --> 01:42:54,017
Speaker 2: and you just see statistically Nesbit's like production with Drake

2176
01:42:54,178 --> 01:42:56,777
Speaker 2: versus this year without him there, it just fell off

2177
01:42:56,817 --> 01:42:59,257
Speaker 2: a cliff so like he was like five hundred yards

2178
01:42:59,338 --> 01:43:02,338
Speaker 2: roughly I think in twenty two and twenty three with

2179
01:43:02,458 --> 01:43:05,137
Speaker 2: Drake May at North Carolina, which in college is really

2180
01:43:05,178 --> 01:43:07,298
Speaker 2: good tight end production. Yeah, you know, you don't normally

2181
01:43:07,418 --> 01:43:11,017
Speaker 2: see a big receiving production from tight end. So if

2182
01:43:11,058 --> 01:43:12,937
Speaker 2: you can get him in like the fifth or the

2183
01:43:12,978 --> 01:43:15,298
Speaker 2: sixth round because he had a down year, like even

2184
01:43:15,378 --> 01:43:18,617
Speaker 2: more reason to do it. Already has the connection with Drake.

2185
01:43:18,817 --> 01:43:20,697
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure Drake would love it, like I'm

2186
01:43:20,697 --> 01:43:24,338
Speaker 2: sure he would Loby for it. I don't think they

2187
01:43:24,418 --> 01:43:26,617
Speaker 2: need a running back this high. So I don't think

2188
01:43:26,657 --> 01:43:30,298
Speaker 2: Amrio and Hampton is really in their conversations too much

2189
01:43:30,497 --> 01:43:32,977
Speaker 2: because you know, he's gonna be probably top fifty.

2190
01:43:33,138 --> 01:43:34,777
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh draft pick.

2191
01:43:34,937 --> 01:43:37,857
Speaker 2: But uh, bryceon Sbitt seems like he would be a

2192
01:43:37,937 --> 01:43:39,818
Speaker 2: realistic target for the Patriots.

2193
01:43:39,458 --> 01:43:42,298
Speaker 4: And uh so, I couldn't remember the injury he broke

2194
01:43:42,378 --> 01:43:45,977
Speaker 4: his wrist in November, so you figure he'll be bad.

2195
01:43:46,018 --> 01:43:50,897
Speaker 4: He should be good off of wrist injury. You feel

2196
01:43:50,937 --> 01:43:52,937
Speaker 4: like he should be good. He'll probably be a Senior

2197
01:43:52,937 --> 01:43:55,937
Speaker 4: Bowl guy, would be or at least a Shrine Bowl guy. Yeah, yeah,

2198
01:43:56,018 --> 01:43:57,657
Speaker 4: it might might be. It'd be fun to see him

2199
01:43:57,978 --> 01:43:59,617
Speaker 4: not listed for either right now, but he'd be a

2200
01:43:59,697 --> 01:44:01,218
Speaker 4: kind of guy that would would be good.

2201
01:44:01,258 --> 01:44:01,418
Speaker 9: There.

2202
01:44:01,577 --> 01:44:03,617
Speaker 2: Okay, a couple more things that I want to get

2203
01:44:03,657 --> 01:44:07,378
Speaker 2: to before we wrap it up. Got some emails, obviously,

2204
01:44:07,497 --> 01:44:10,458
Speaker 2: get in some calls about Travis Hunter. He just won

2205
01:44:10,497 --> 01:44:13,657
Speaker 2: the Heisman Trophy. This is topical obviously, coming off the

2206
01:44:13,697 --> 01:44:15,217
Speaker 2: weekend and him winning the Heisman.

2207
01:44:15,857 --> 01:44:16,977
Speaker 4: I just want to speech.

2208
01:44:17,098 --> 01:44:18,737
Speaker 2: I just want to say, like, I love the kid,

2209
01:44:19,018 --> 01:44:21,178
Speaker 2: like a great kids. I love the guy like I

2210
01:44:21,258 --> 01:44:22,657
Speaker 2: think he's a football nerd.

2211
01:44:22,737 --> 01:44:27,897
Speaker 4: I think he alone. Who said it? Girlfriend? I thought

2212
01:44:27,937 --> 01:44:29,617
Speaker 4: you meant me. I was like, no, no, no, no no,

2213
01:44:29,737 --> 01:44:31,857
Speaker 4: it's like this whole thing on the internet that his

2214
01:44:31,937 --> 01:44:33,418
Speaker 4: girlfriend didn't stand up with the ceremony.

2215
01:44:33,537 --> 01:44:36,577
Speaker 2: Jeez, Okay, people need to touch grass.

2216
01:44:36,937 --> 01:44:41,018
Speaker 4: Uh So I just like him. No, he's got absolutely

2217
01:44:41,058 --> 01:44:41,817
Speaker 4: the right mentality.

2218
01:44:41,937 --> 01:44:43,977
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like he's uh you know, from

2219
01:44:43,978 --> 01:44:46,697
Speaker 2: everything that you hear out of Colorado about him, like

2220
01:44:46,817 --> 01:44:48,137
Speaker 2: he's like a film junkie.

2221
01:44:48,218 --> 01:44:50,458
Speaker 4: Like this guy doesn't listen to music because he's just

2222
01:44:50,577 --> 01:44:54,017
Speaker 4: watched you. He's you. He doesn't love music, he doesn't

2223
01:44:54,138 --> 01:44:56,098
Speaker 4: love it, go out, he doesn't do any like it.

2224
01:44:56,258 --> 01:44:59,817
Speaker 4: I think people obviously Deon Satra is a big personality, outgoing.

2225
01:45:00,138 --> 01:45:02,018
Speaker 4: He's very out there in the public things like that,

2226
01:45:02,098 --> 01:45:06,458
Speaker 4: and I think people just obscribe subscribed that to Travis Hunter,

2227
01:45:07,138 --> 01:45:09,977
Speaker 4: there was this story where like he like he doesn't

2228
01:45:09,978 --> 01:45:12,138
Speaker 4: go to parties, doesn't listen to music, doesn't go out,

2229
01:45:12,178 --> 01:45:15,617
Speaker 4: like he watches film and he plays video games. That's

2230
01:45:15,777 --> 01:45:16,258
Speaker 4: all he does.

2231
01:45:16,577 --> 01:45:19,298
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all he does. I think Drake's kind of

2232
01:45:19,338 --> 01:45:22,338
Speaker 2: the same way. I think he's kind of the same

2233
01:45:22,378 --> 01:45:24,218
Speaker 2: plosit of the two of us. Yeah, watch his film,

2234
01:45:24,258 --> 01:45:27,418
Speaker 2: plays video Yeah right, So therefore I think both of

2235
01:45:27,458 --> 01:45:28,817
Speaker 2: them together would would really know.

2236
01:45:29,298 --> 01:45:31,617
Speaker 4: They do seem like get along. It does seem like

2237
01:45:31,617 --> 01:45:34,258
Speaker 4: you would be repairing. Yeah, I was. It was a

2238
01:45:34,298 --> 01:45:34,737
Speaker 4: good speech.

2239
01:45:34,937 --> 01:45:37,577
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great speech. I think there will

2240
01:45:37,617 --> 01:45:40,497
Speaker 2: be a continue we are going to do, uh you know,

2241
01:45:40,697 --> 01:45:42,977
Speaker 2: five months or whatever it is. On is he a

2242
01:45:43,018 --> 01:45:45,418
Speaker 2: wide receiver? Is a corner? Can he play both ways?

2243
01:45:45,497 --> 01:45:48,257
Speaker 2: This that the other thing Jay Glazer had to report.

2244
01:45:48,418 --> 01:45:50,817
Speaker 2: I believe it was a Sunday morning during Fox's pregame

2245
01:45:51,298 --> 01:45:53,497
Speaker 2: that he pulled some NFL gms and a lot of

2246
01:45:53,537 --> 01:45:55,857
Speaker 2: the gms think he's a corner in the league. And

2247
01:45:56,737 --> 01:45:59,017
Speaker 2: Jay Glazer even reported that he doesn't think that he's

2248
01:45:59,058 --> 01:46:01,138
Speaker 2: gonna play a ton of receiver at all. You know,

2249
01:46:01,378 --> 01:46:03,817
Speaker 2: it would probably just be mostly corner for a lot

2250
01:46:03,897 --> 01:46:06,577
Speaker 2: of teams. I still leave the door open to him

2251
01:46:06,577 --> 01:46:09,777
Speaker 2: playing receiver, one because I think he has great receiver film,

2252
01:46:10,458 --> 01:46:13,177
Speaker 2: and two because I think he might want to play receiver.

2253
01:46:13,378 --> 01:46:15,098
Speaker 2: So I'm still gonna leave the door open to that.

2254
01:46:15,897 --> 01:46:18,058
Speaker 2: But the more that we get closer, you know, the

2255
01:46:18,178 --> 01:46:21,537
Speaker 2: more that information that comes out about it, it does

2256
01:46:21,657 --> 01:46:24,178
Speaker 2: feel like the NFL views him as a corner on

2257
01:46:24,338 --> 01:46:24,657
Speaker 2: the whole.

2258
01:46:24,897 --> 01:46:26,737
Speaker 4: I've said this, he is a better corner than receiver.

2259
01:46:26,937 --> 01:46:29,057
Speaker 4: Agree is not a good receiver, but he's a corner.

2260
01:46:29,178 --> 01:46:32,537
Speaker 2: So David, you know, emails in and I think we've

2261
01:46:32,617 --> 01:46:35,338
Speaker 2: said similar things about this before. And you know, he

2262
01:46:35,577 --> 01:46:38,777
Speaker 2: just said about Travis Hunter that he's a luxury item.

2263
01:46:38,897 --> 01:46:41,418
Speaker 2: You know that that he's you know, Patriots drafting Hunter

2264
01:46:41,577 --> 01:46:43,938
Speaker 2: is like buying a Ferrari for a home that's in foreclosure.

2265
01:46:43,937 --> 01:46:47,017
Speaker 2: And we've used these types of analogies before. I hear

2266
01:46:47,138 --> 01:46:50,537
Speaker 2: that in a lot of ways. I know everybody is

2267
01:46:50,577 --> 01:46:52,817
Speaker 2: sort of like big on the offensive line, and I

2268
01:46:52,937 --> 01:46:54,937
Speaker 2: am too. It's a it's the number one need on

2269
01:46:55,018 --> 01:46:58,058
Speaker 2: the team. Left tackle is the number one need on

2270
01:46:58,178 --> 01:47:00,857
Speaker 2: the team. But I still come back to my best

2271
01:47:00,857 --> 01:47:03,937
Speaker 2: player available thing. I still want them to take the

2272
01:47:04,018 --> 01:47:06,577
Speaker 2: best player available at a position of need. That that's

2273
01:47:06,617 --> 01:47:10,617
Speaker 2: always what we have advocated for. It's not, oh, we

2274
01:47:10,777 --> 01:47:14,298
Speaker 2: have this guard or this running back Alex rated, you know,

2275
01:47:14,418 --> 01:47:15,737
Speaker 2: higher than Will Campbell.

2276
01:47:16,058 --> 01:47:16,817
Speaker 4: We're not doing that.

2277
01:47:17,378 --> 01:47:24,977
Speaker 2: But between receiver, tackle, edge, rusher, don't reach right. I

2278
01:47:25,058 --> 01:47:27,737
Speaker 2: don't reach to to try to fill a hole. I

2279
01:47:27,817 --> 01:47:30,617
Speaker 2: feel like that's why bad teams stay bad. So if

2280
01:47:30,617 --> 01:47:34,657
Speaker 2: you view view Travis Hunter as a corner, it's a

2281
01:47:34,737 --> 01:47:37,737
Speaker 2: premium position. So I would at least could get behind that,

2282
01:47:38,298 --> 01:47:42,177
Speaker 2: and obviously Gonzo and Travis Hunter would probably be pretty dominant.

2283
01:47:42,897 --> 01:47:43,418
Speaker 4: But it's not.

2284
01:47:43,897 --> 01:47:47,817
Speaker 2: It doesn't exactly fit the big you know, best player

2285
01:47:47,857 --> 01:47:49,378
Speaker 2: at position need if.

2286
01:47:49,298 --> 01:47:52,937
Speaker 4: He's not playing receiver, I'm not interested. That's just where

2287
01:47:53,098 --> 01:47:56,017
Speaker 4: for the reasons you just said. Yeah, and if if

2288
01:47:56,058 --> 01:47:58,057
Speaker 4: the league really views him as a corner. Any teams,

2289
01:47:58,058 --> 01:48:00,537
Speaker 4: if you highly as a corner, if he's on the board,

2290
01:48:00,617 --> 01:48:03,018
Speaker 4: you're gonna it's not gonna be like a quarterback, but

2291
01:48:03,058 --> 01:48:04,497
Speaker 4: you're gonna get a ton of value for that pick

2292
01:48:04,577 --> 01:48:05,218
Speaker 4: if you move down.

2293
01:48:06,218 --> 01:48:09,057
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I agree with you. I I honestly uh

2294
01:48:09,937 --> 01:48:12,937
Speaker 2: am also tempted a little. I kind of attempted by

2295
01:48:12,978 --> 01:48:13,577
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter.

2296
01:48:14,418 --> 01:48:18,057
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie like and Hunter is a better player,

2297
01:48:18,138 --> 01:48:20,258
Speaker 4: but like pound for pound, Carter makes more sense to

2298
01:48:20,378 --> 01:48:21,178
Speaker 4: me than Hunter does.

2299
01:48:21,418 --> 01:48:24,097
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a position of need. It's a premium position

2300
01:48:24,777 --> 01:48:27,617
Speaker 2: pass rusher off the edge right now. When you just

2301
01:48:27,697 --> 01:48:31,138
Speaker 2: look at their their their pass rush statists, whether it's

2302
01:48:31,218 --> 01:48:33,857
Speaker 2: pressure rate, win rate, whatever, like they're down near the

2303
01:48:33,857 --> 01:48:35,298
Speaker 2: bottom of the league and all of it. They don't

2304
01:48:35,298 --> 01:48:38,537
Speaker 2: pressure the quarterback. And when I look at the cornerback room,

2305
01:48:39,258 --> 01:48:42,497
Speaker 2: I actually think that their corners are decent, Like Christianzalez

2306
01:48:42,537 --> 01:48:44,537
Speaker 2: is great, and then you you kind of have a

2307
01:48:44,617 --> 01:48:46,657
Speaker 2: hierarchy there, Like I think Marcus Jones is a very

2308
01:48:46,697 --> 01:48:50,097
Speaker 2: capable slot corner. We still are talking about the outside

2309
01:48:50,138 --> 01:48:53,097
Speaker 2: cornerback position and that being a little bit of a maid.

2310
01:48:53,098 --> 01:48:56,857
Speaker 4: Carlton Davis one year, twelve million dollars solved. Don't need

2311
01:48:57,378 --> 01:48:58,697
Speaker 4: a superstar over there.

2312
01:48:58,657 --> 01:49:01,418
Speaker 2: No, And I definitely am still of the mind that

2313
01:49:01,497 --> 01:49:03,777
Speaker 2: I think Alex Austen might be able to do it. Yeah,

2314
01:49:04,098 --> 01:49:06,857
Speaker 2: And so you have between those guys, you know, the

2315
01:49:06,978 --> 01:49:11,018
Speaker 2: Jones is Christian goan Zalez, Alex Austin Jonathan Jones is

2316
01:49:11,058 --> 01:49:14,057
Speaker 2: a free agent. But if he comes back, I think

2317
01:49:14,138 --> 01:49:15,577
Speaker 2: that's a decent cornerback round.

2318
01:49:15,737 --> 01:49:18,298
Speaker 4: I really do all their other issues you can get

2319
01:49:18,378 --> 01:49:21,338
Speaker 4: by with that putting resource into that room. You're talking

2320
01:49:21,378 --> 01:49:23,537
Speaker 4: about a room going from maybe good to great. Yeah,

2321
01:49:23,577 --> 01:49:26,178
Speaker 4: obviously Gonzalez is great, but like he's around them, Yeah,

2322
01:49:27,817 --> 01:49:30,418
Speaker 4: when there's other positions that you need a pump serious

2323
01:49:30,737 --> 01:49:32,737
Speaker 4: assets into just to get them a good Yeah.

2324
01:49:32,857 --> 01:49:35,857
Speaker 2: It just feels to me like if you get the

2325
01:49:35,937 --> 01:49:39,458
Speaker 2: safety play that you're expecting back from Duggar and Peppers,

2326
01:49:39,497 --> 01:49:41,537
Speaker 2: you get those guys back to the level that you're

2327
01:49:41,617 --> 01:49:44,218
Speaker 2: used to, and you keep this cornerback room in tack,

2328
01:49:44,258 --> 01:49:48,258
Speaker 2: which is pretty good, I believe, then if you add

2329
01:49:48,338 --> 01:49:51,338
Speaker 2: to the pass rush, like that's the bigger need, right, Like,

2330
01:49:51,458 --> 01:49:53,097
Speaker 2: that's clearly the bigger I don't remember.

2331
01:49:52,897 --> 01:49:55,777
Speaker 4: If I said this on this show last week. But

2332
01:49:55,897 --> 01:49:59,497
Speaker 4: I've said it somewhere like if you have Gonzales right,

2333
01:49:59,737 --> 01:50:01,937
Speaker 4: and we talk a lot about it, right, well, how

2334
01:50:01,978 --> 01:50:04,218
Speaker 4: do you maximize Drake May on offense? And what pick,

2335
01:50:04,298 --> 01:50:07,897
Speaker 4: what additions, what's signing? Maximize Drake May because he's your stud,

2336
01:50:07,978 --> 01:50:09,497
Speaker 4: that's you're building round on that side of the ball.

2337
01:50:09,817 --> 01:50:12,657
Speaker 4: We can do the same exercise with Christian Zalez. How

2338
01:50:12,697 --> 01:50:15,058
Speaker 4: do you maximize Christian Zalez? And the one knock on

2339
01:50:15,178 --> 01:50:17,298
Speaker 4: Christian Zalez right now, and I think it's overblown. I

2340
01:50:17,298 --> 01:50:19,418
Speaker 4: would call it more of an observation than a knock

2341
01:50:20,058 --> 01:50:23,737
Speaker 4: is that the on ball production isn't tremendous, right, Yeah,

2342
01:50:23,777 --> 01:50:25,378
Speaker 4: he had a couple of pass breakups last week, but

2343
01:50:25,418 --> 01:50:27,418
Speaker 4: he's not getting interceptions. He's not gonna got two PEPs

2344
01:50:27,497 --> 01:50:30,537
Speaker 4: this year. Yeah, But because nobody's thrown at him and

2345
01:50:30,617 --> 01:50:33,857
Speaker 4: these quarterbacks have time to adjust, he's also playing trail man.

2346
01:50:34,058 --> 01:50:36,098
Speaker 2: So like this is a big thing I think to

2347
01:50:36,298 --> 01:50:38,577
Speaker 2: with the zone man corner thing, Like when you have

2348
01:50:38,777 --> 01:50:40,737
Speaker 2: zone eyes, you have eyes in the backfield, so you

2349
01:50:40,897 --> 01:50:42,897
Speaker 2: have that ability to jump the football, right, like you

2350
01:50:42,978 --> 01:50:45,378
Speaker 2: have the ability to see the quarterback throw the football,

2351
01:50:45,458 --> 01:50:48,378
Speaker 2: have it leave his hand and then ballhawk and trace

2352
01:50:48,458 --> 01:50:52,858
Speaker 2: the ball corners. Like you know what made Stefan Gilmour's

2353
01:50:53,617 --> 01:50:55,977
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year season so ridiculous was how

2354
01:50:56,018 --> 01:50:58,137
Speaker 2: many picks he had playing man to man the whole season.

2355
01:50:58,577 --> 01:51:00,897
Speaker 4: So like that, that's a really difficult to do. Part

2356
01:51:00,937 --> 01:51:02,577
Speaker 4: of that was and to my point, how do you

2357
01:51:02,617 --> 01:51:05,977
Speaker 4: maximize Gonzales. It's not putting another corner on the other side.

2358
01:51:06,378 --> 01:51:09,258
Speaker 4: It's getting another pass rusher, because with Gilmore you to

2359
01:51:09,378 --> 01:51:12,338
Speaker 4: pass rush, and a lot of quarterbacks when you pressure them,

2360
01:51:12,338 --> 01:51:14,697
Speaker 4: their first instinct is just gonna be I know my

2361
01:51:14,817 --> 01:51:17,138
Speaker 4: top receivers over here. I'm throwing it like I need

2362
01:51:17,218 --> 01:51:20,177
Speaker 4: to get rid of this ball. I'm gonna get crushed. Buddy,

2363
01:51:20,258 --> 01:51:23,778
Speaker 4: go make a play. And that's when you know it's

2364
01:51:23,897 --> 01:51:26,857
Speaker 4: the pick and the Super Bowl. Yeah, picking super Bowl

2365
01:51:26,897 --> 01:51:30,057
Speaker 4: fifty three where it's van Ney, right, is it van Neuy? Yeah,

2366
01:51:30,617 --> 01:51:32,577
Speaker 4: run a blitzer. They run a zero blitz and Steph

2367
01:51:32,617 --> 01:51:34,138
Speaker 4: Gilmore gets to turn around and catch it like a

2368
01:51:34,178 --> 01:51:36,937
Speaker 4: center fielder. Yeah, that's how you maximize Gonzalez. It's not

2369
01:51:36,978 --> 01:51:39,218
Speaker 4: putting another corner on the other side, it's getting a

2370
01:51:39,258 --> 01:51:42,017
Speaker 4: pass rusher that's gonna speed these quarterbacks up and force

2371
01:51:42,098 --> 01:51:43,338
Speaker 4: more bad throws to his side.

2372
01:51:43,418 --> 01:51:46,178
Speaker 2: Agreed, I think their their secondary is good enough. I

2373
01:51:46,258 --> 01:51:49,617
Speaker 2: think your secondary would be is is good enough if

2374
01:51:49,657 --> 01:51:51,017
Speaker 2: they had a legit passage.

2375
01:51:51,018 --> 01:51:55,537
Speaker 4: I'd like to see them add another boundary, physical, bigger

2376
01:51:55,697 --> 01:51:58,298
Speaker 4: corner just to kind of compete with Alex Austin for

2377
01:51:58,378 --> 01:52:00,537
Speaker 4: that second job. But that you that does not need

2378
01:52:00,617 --> 01:52:02,138
Speaker 4: to be a first round pick. All right, We'll take

2379
01:52:02,178 --> 01:52:04,857
Speaker 4: one more call and then we're gonna wrap it up.

2380
01:52:05,178 --> 01:52:06,017
Speaker 4: Jay is in Atlanta.

2381
01:52:06,098 --> 01:52:06,697
Speaker 2: What's up Jay?

2382
01:52:09,378 --> 01:52:12,138
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, Thanks for taking a call there. Hey, guys

2383
01:52:12,218 --> 01:52:16,418
Speaker 6: going to I want to ask about Daveon Williams a TCU.

2384
01:52:17,178 --> 01:52:21,178
Speaker 6: And secondly, from my second question, I want to ask,

2385
01:52:21,777 --> 01:52:24,378
Speaker 6: I know in the first round probably gonna be tackled

2386
01:52:24,378 --> 01:52:27,178
Speaker 6: by receiver or second round probably whichever we don't get

2387
01:52:27,218 --> 01:52:30,378
Speaker 6: the first for those two thirds, what do you think

2388
01:52:30,497 --> 01:52:32,097
Speaker 6: would be the best option for us to pick?

2389
01:52:33,978 --> 01:52:37,058
Speaker 4: Thanks, Jane, appreciate the call. D you know I'm not

2390
01:52:37,138 --> 01:52:38,697
Speaker 4: deep enough to know. Yeah, so I haven't done a

2391
01:52:38,737 --> 01:52:41,857
Speaker 4: ton on saveing on Williams. I I some of the

2392
01:52:41,897 --> 01:52:44,817
Speaker 4: people who get in really deep really like him TCU

2393
01:52:44,857 --> 01:52:46,897
Speaker 4: wide receiver, So you're gonna have to get over the helmet.

2394
01:52:47,058 --> 01:52:52,258
Speaker 2: Now big gon dots in two point outs. What I'm hearing, Well,

2395
01:52:52,258 --> 01:52:54,697
Speaker 2: I've seen more like Quinn Johnson. That one's bad too,

2396
01:52:55,098 --> 01:52:55,537
Speaker 2: both of them.

2397
01:52:56,537 --> 01:53:00,977
Speaker 4: Much better athlete, much more explosive. He's quicker, he's not

2398
01:53:01,058 --> 01:53:05,017
Speaker 4: a straight line athlete. He hasn't played a ton. He's

2399
01:53:05,178 --> 01:53:07,017
Speaker 4: very raw. I got to pull up the exact number

2400
01:53:07,018 --> 01:53:11,057
Speaker 4: of games he's played. But he's a he's a full projection.

2401
01:53:11,497 --> 01:53:13,218
Speaker 4: So this is a guy that's you know, six four,

2402
01:53:13,338 --> 01:53:17,178
Speaker 4: six five, two twenty out. But well, he's like an

2403
01:53:17,258 --> 01:53:18,338
Speaker 4: early day three pick.

2404
01:53:18,458 --> 01:53:21,098
Speaker 2: Okay, like any but to me, and I'm sorry to

2405
01:53:21,138 --> 01:53:24,537
Speaker 2: cut you off, but any receiver that we're handing this

2406
01:53:24,657 --> 01:53:27,817
Speaker 2: coaching staff that is a project or is raw or

2407
01:53:27,937 --> 01:53:31,138
Speaker 2: anything like that. Until I build some confidence with the

2408
01:53:31,218 --> 01:53:33,857
Speaker 2: fact that they can develop at that position, I'm out.

2409
01:53:34,378 --> 01:53:38,378
Speaker 4: I would call him as a prospect. Now we know

2410
01:53:38,497 --> 01:53:42,138
Speaker 4: how this turned out. As a prospect, I would call

2411
01:53:42,258 --> 01:53:45,897
Speaker 4: him a little Javon Baker ish. And that's not being

2412
01:53:46,018 --> 01:53:50,817
Speaker 4: super familiar, but like, you're drafting a guy who's big,

2413
01:53:51,378 --> 01:53:55,258
Speaker 4: who you're gonna throw the ball down the field to. Yeah,

2414
01:53:55,737 --> 01:53:57,737
Speaker 4: if he's the only receiver they walk away with, No,

2415
01:53:57,937 --> 01:54:01,537
Speaker 4: if you're telling me that they got Luther Burden and

2416
01:54:01,657 --> 01:54:04,097
Speaker 4: this is maybe doubling up them trying again to find

2417
01:54:04,138 --> 01:54:08,298
Speaker 4: an X. Okay, yeah, I guess I could see that.

2418
01:54:08,458 --> 01:54:10,178
Speaker 4: It wouldn't be my favorite thing, but I could see it.

2419
01:54:11,817 --> 01:54:16,177
Speaker 4: I will to the second point, those two thirds trade

2420
01:54:16,218 --> 01:54:20,737
Speaker 4: one trade one, move up, move up in the second,

2421
01:54:20,857 --> 01:54:22,418
Speaker 4: move up from the second to the first. This is

2422
01:54:22,458 --> 01:54:24,298
Speaker 4: the same mistake they did last year. They had those

2423
01:54:24,338 --> 01:54:26,897
Speaker 4: two fourths, they were in position to move up. Instead

2424
01:54:26,937 --> 01:54:30,338
Speaker 4: they moved down for Jalen Polk. They take Kanen Wallason

2425
01:54:30,497 --> 01:54:32,778
Speaker 4: and they use them on Landen Robinson and Jaymon Baker.

2426
01:54:33,138 --> 01:54:37,658
Speaker 4: Use those picks move up. So I'm open to anything

2427
01:54:37,937 --> 01:54:39,977
Speaker 4: in terms of moving up like that. I'm all for that.

2428
01:54:40,458 --> 01:54:43,458
Speaker 2: I also wonder if one of those third round picks

2429
01:54:43,498 --> 01:54:46,057
Speaker 2: can be traded for a veteran player like I still

2430
01:54:46,098 --> 01:54:47,538
Speaker 2: will bang the table for that all.

2431
01:54:47,498 --> 01:54:50,378
Speaker 4: Day, every single or for a veteran player like I.

2432
01:54:50,578 --> 01:54:54,218
Speaker 2: Just I keep coming back to the fact that, look,

2433
01:54:54,298 --> 01:54:56,658
Speaker 2: if you can't draft well, then you might as well

2434
01:54:56,818 --> 01:54:58,977
Speaker 2: just start trading picks for guys that you know, you

2435
01:54:59,098 --> 01:55:02,018
Speaker 2: know can play in the league, right like in the

2436
01:55:02,138 --> 01:55:05,818
Speaker 2: way that this has gone throughout the NFL, Like trading picks,

2437
01:55:05,937 --> 01:55:08,338
Speaker 2: like the value of the veteran players is going down.

2438
01:55:08,578 --> 01:55:10,698
Speaker 2: I would say, like you can start to get some

2439
01:55:10,818 --> 01:55:14,897
Speaker 2: real talent for those players for those picks. So look,

2440
01:55:14,937 --> 01:55:18,058
Speaker 2: if you're you're wary of like certain blind spots that

2441
01:55:18,178 --> 01:55:21,418
Speaker 2: you have from an evaluation standpoint, or you don't love

2442
01:55:21,498 --> 01:55:25,498
Speaker 2: the draft, or whatever the case may be, trade it, like,

2443
01:55:25,618 --> 01:55:26,858
Speaker 2: trade it for a veteran player.

2444
01:55:27,218 --> 01:55:30,138
Speaker 4: Here do you want, We'll just do this live. You

2445
01:55:30,218 --> 01:55:32,458
Speaker 4: want to save? We both trust the Draft Network. They

2446
01:55:32,498 --> 01:55:34,498
Speaker 4: do a good job. Yeah. So here's what the Draft

2447
01:55:34,538 --> 01:55:37,977
Speaker 4: Network has on Savion Williams. Since I wasn't fully prepared. Okay,

2448
01:55:38,098 --> 01:55:43,578
Speaker 4: uh six fo Okay, here's the summary. Save on Williams

2449
01:55:43,618 --> 01:55:46,658
Speaker 4: offers NFL teams a diverse and unique skills set at

2450
01:55:46,658 --> 01:55:50,498
Speaker 4: the wide receiver position. Has a rare combination of size, explosiveness,

2451
01:55:50,578 --> 01:55:55,057
Speaker 4: and quickness to create explosive plays. Strengths, diverse release package,

2452
01:55:55,738 --> 01:56:01,018
Speaker 4: explosive great short area quickness, position, versatile playmaker ability to

2453
01:56:01,058 --> 01:56:06,217
Speaker 4: create explosive plays. Oh concerns yeah, TCU raw route runner

2454
01:56:07,098 --> 01:56:10,977
Speaker 4: concentration drops. So this was written before the season. Lack

2455
01:56:11,018 --> 01:56:12,937
Speaker 4: of production. I'll give you his production this year. It's

2456
01:56:12,937 --> 01:56:16,658
Speaker 4: all career highs sixty catches, six hundred eleven yards, six touchdowns.

2457
01:56:16,858 --> 01:56:18,977
Speaker 4: He also ran the ball fifty one times for three

2458
01:56:19,058 --> 01:56:20,257
Speaker 4: hundred yards and six touchdown.

2459
01:56:20,298 --> 01:56:23,138
Speaker 2: Okay, so I love the big playability, right, that's what

2460
01:56:23,178 --> 01:56:26,218
Speaker 2: you're looking for. It does sound a little Javon Baker ish, right,

2461
01:56:26,298 --> 01:56:27,298
Speaker 2: like splash play guy.

2462
01:56:27,778 --> 01:56:30,338
Speaker 4: The running thing is interesting. I saw run the ball.

2463
01:56:30,578 --> 01:56:33,337
Speaker 2: I don't love the football. I don't love the conference.

2464
01:56:33,698 --> 01:56:37,017
Speaker 2: I don't I've had this conversation with a lot of people.

2465
01:56:37,018 --> 01:56:38,298
Speaker 4: At this point. It's Big twelve, right.

2466
01:56:38,978 --> 01:56:43,538
Speaker 2: So my biggest concern with drafting out of those conferences,

2467
01:56:43,658 --> 01:56:47,138
Speaker 2: drafting guys like Ted McMillan from Arizona, drafting a guy

2468
01:56:47,178 --> 01:56:50,338
Speaker 2: from TCU. None of the teams that they play on

2469
01:56:50,458 --> 01:56:53,217
Speaker 2: a consistent play basis play NFL defense.

2470
01:56:53,498 --> 01:56:53,538
Speaker 4: Like.

2471
01:56:53,658 --> 01:56:57,098
Speaker 2: None of those teams are playing Manton Man at a

2472
01:56:57,178 --> 01:57:00,858
Speaker 2: high level. None of those teams are playing any sort

2473
01:57:00,897 --> 01:57:03,458
Speaker 2: of NFL style press right Like.

2474
01:57:03,698 --> 01:57:04,977
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they never do it.

2475
01:57:05,218 --> 01:57:07,937
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's not their major And so a

2476
01:57:08,018 --> 01:57:09,738
Speaker 2: lot of the time when you watch the film of

2477
01:57:09,818 --> 01:57:13,538
Speaker 2: these guys, they're just running into pockets of space against

2478
01:57:13,618 --> 01:57:16,258
Speaker 2: zone coverage and just catching balls over the middle of

2479
01:57:16,298 --> 01:57:19,658
Speaker 2: the field against like linebackers and safeties or whatever, you know,

2480
01:57:19,738 --> 01:57:24,378
Speaker 2: catching throws underneath like off coverage or bail technique or whatever,

2481
01:57:24,858 --> 01:57:25,698
Speaker 2: and so much.

2482
01:57:25,858 --> 01:57:26,658
Speaker 4: You know, it's hard.

2483
01:57:27,897 --> 01:57:32,778
Speaker 2: It's hard to like find that translate to the league, right, like, oh,

2484
01:57:32,897 --> 01:57:35,378
Speaker 2: this is a this is an NFL rep. Like, you know,

2485
01:57:35,458 --> 01:57:38,658
Speaker 2: he's getting pressed, he gets off pressed, he wins the route,

2486
01:57:38,858 --> 01:57:41,218
Speaker 2: he wins the route on time, like he's not hanging

2487
01:57:41,298 --> 01:57:43,977
Speaker 2: out forever on the line of scrimmage. It's really hard

2488
01:57:44,058 --> 01:57:47,178
Speaker 2: to find that, especially in those types of conferences, you know,

2489
01:57:47,298 --> 01:57:50,217
Speaker 2: the Big twelve, the old Pac twelve. Like those teams

2490
01:57:50,538 --> 01:57:53,418
Speaker 2: it's all three cover three, it's all quarters, it's all

2491
01:57:53,498 --> 01:57:56,018
Speaker 2: soft zonne like that. That's to worry something to me

2492
01:57:56,138 --> 01:57:56,658
Speaker 2: with those teams.

2493
01:57:56,738 --> 01:57:59,018
Speaker 4: So this is interesting because again I one of the

2494
01:57:59,098 --> 01:58:01,218
Speaker 4: few guys that, like I wasn't ready on and I'm

2495
01:58:01,298 --> 01:58:03,418
Speaker 4: looking at some of the comps here. So he started

2496
01:58:03,458 --> 01:58:06,698
Speaker 4: playing wildcat quarterback and running back late in the year.

2497
01:58:06,698 --> 01:58:09,618
Speaker 4: That's where all those carries came from. Jim, and it's

2498
01:58:09,698 --> 01:58:13,897
Speaker 4: Jim Naggy. Jim Nagy's comp is cord Aero Patterson at

2499
01:58:13,937 --> 01:58:17,458
Speaker 4: that size. If he's I mean fifty one times, we

2500
01:58:17,538 --> 01:58:21,177
Speaker 4: do like Cordero. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna

2501
01:58:21,178 --> 01:58:23,098
Speaker 4: try to watch them. Maybe you do your job, I know,

2502
01:58:23,138 --> 01:58:24,778
Speaker 4: if you like to say to me, maybe he's my

2503
01:58:24,897 --> 01:58:28,778
Speaker 4: recency biased guy. Uh next weeks week because my recency

2504
01:58:28,858 --> 01:58:30,098
Speaker 4: bias guy. This week? Do you have one?

2505
01:58:31,058 --> 01:58:31,258
Speaker 1: I do?

2506
01:58:31,658 --> 01:58:35,298
Speaker 4: I'll go really quick, Okay, I kind of like Isaiah Bond.

2507
01:58:36,338 --> 01:58:38,937
Speaker 4: Of course you do. He's fast, Like he's only fast.

2508
01:58:39,098 --> 01:58:39,858
Speaker 2: He's fast.

2509
01:58:40,098 --> 01:58:42,057
Speaker 4: So we're doing takwan again.

2510
01:58:43,418 --> 01:58:46,418
Speaker 2: I'm not letting you say that. I'm not letting what's

2511
01:58:46,458 --> 01:58:50,217
Speaker 2: the difference because Texas. That's the difference.

2512
01:58:50,618 --> 01:58:51,897
Speaker 4: Baylor is in Texas.

2513
01:58:52,298 --> 01:58:55,858
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's not Texas. All right, like you asked me,

2514
01:58:56,778 --> 01:58:59,338
Speaker 2: We're gonna relate this. Then I have one more thing

2515
01:58:59,378 --> 01:59:00,937
Speaker 2: that I really want to bring up. I know I

2516
01:59:01,018 --> 01:59:04,578
Speaker 2: do this every show. You asked me, who are the

2517
01:59:04,658 --> 01:59:08,698
Speaker 2: players in the college football playoff that could or like

2518
01:59:08,858 --> 01:59:11,818
Speaker 2: gain the most Okay, there's some obvious ones at the

2519
01:59:11,858 --> 01:59:16,618
Speaker 2: top of the draft, Abdull Carter connorly, you know, like

2520
01:59:16,738 --> 01:59:19,178
Speaker 2: guys like that that. You know, if they have instellar

2521
01:59:19,338 --> 01:59:22,418
Speaker 2: college football playoffs, they're gonna help their stock. To me,

2522
01:59:22,778 --> 01:59:25,618
Speaker 2: you know, Isaiah Bond's gonna see some real coverage now, right,

2523
01:59:25,738 --> 01:59:29,138
Speaker 2: Like he's gonna see Yeah, so they're gonna see some

2524
01:59:29,258 --> 01:59:31,658
Speaker 2: you know, one thing that boy Dabo can do his

2525
01:59:31,738 --> 01:59:34,178
Speaker 2: coach DB's like, that's the one thing that he's good at.

2526
01:59:34,378 --> 01:59:36,937
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Brett Vannable's a hell of a coach. So

2527
01:59:37,338 --> 01:59:39,418
Speaker 4: let's see, let's see what he does. You know, I

2528
01:59:39,618 --> 01:59:42,057
Speaker 4: I love the speed. I love the speed. I love

2529
01:59:42,138 --> 01:59:45,458
Speaker 4: the else. I love the separation ability to speed. What else?

2530
01:59:45,618 --> 01:59:47,698
Speaker 4: But to me, I just like, you know, I think

2531
01:59:47,738 --> 01:59:50,018
Speaker 4: the skill set translates, like I think he's gonna what

2532
01:59:50,178 --> 01:59:54,258
Speaker 4: is the skill set beside speed? Speed? So we're doing

2533
01:59:54,298 --> 01:59:57,138
Speaker 4: taekwon again. Drake needs somebody that that can win a

2534
01:59:57,218 --> 01:59:59,498
Speaker 4: go ball, That's all I'm saying. It sounds like Samuel

2535
01:59:59,538 --> 02:00:03,338
Speaker 4: Williams pretty fast too has changed direction. So mine, I'm

2536
02:00:03,418 --> 02:00:05,778
Speaker 4: fascinated by this guy. I still don't know how I

2537
02:00:05,818 --> 02:00:11,378
Speaker 4: feel about him as a patriot. Elijah Roberts from SMU. Yeah, so, yeah,

2538
02:00:11,418 --> 02:00:12,937
Speaker 4: you've been talking to me about this guy for We

2539
02:00:12,978 --> 02:00:15,618
Speaker 4: had one conversation with No. No, it's been days. So

2540
02:00:16,098 --> 02:00:19,338
Speaker 4: every almost everywhere he's listed at two ninety five ESPN

2541
02:00:19,378 --> 02:00:21,178
Speaker 4: has him been two seventy eight six four to seventy

2542
02:00:21,218 --> 02:00:24,057
Speaker 4: eight everywhere else. I bet two ninety five. He's among

2543
02:00:24,098 --> 02:00:26,738
Speaker 4: the nation's leaders and pressures like he gets after the quarterback.

2544
02:00:26,738 --> 02:00:29,658
Speaker 4: I'm like thinking, Okay, defensive end, he's like standing up,

2545
02:00:29,738 --> 02:00:32,298
Speaker 4: he's playing out side linebacker and at least two hundred

2546
02:00:32,298 --> 02:00:34,937
Speaker 4: and eighty five and ninety pounds getting after the quarter

2547
02:00:35,338 --> 02:00:37,658
Speaker 4: But he's not built like Keon White. Keon White doesn't

2548
02:00:37,858 --> 02:00:41,018
Speaker 4: like Elijah Roberts, looks like a defensive end, like he

2549
02:00:41,098 --> 02:00:44,818
Speaker 4: looks like a three four end, but he's standing up

2550
02:00:44,937 --> 02:00:48,217
Speaker 4: and chasing down running backs in the backfield and pursuing.

2551
02:00:48,258 --> 02:00:50,218
Speaker 2: You're literally describing ke White.

2552
02:00:50,778 --> 02:00:52,618
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, I don't know.

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02:00:52,978 --> 02:00:55,058
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's as a bad thing is a

2554
02:00:55,058 --> 02:00:56,658
Speaker 2: good football Well, okay, so here's the other weird.

2555
02:00:56,658 --> 02:00:58,338
Speaker 4: I guess this is like Kean White. You'd think a

2556
02:00:58,498 --> 02:01:01,418
Speaker 4: big physical guy, right, wins with power. You can't defend

2557
02:01:01,418 --> 02:01:05,498
Speaker 4: the run. Ke On This is Mike confidence confidence Byron Coward.

2558
02:01:05,698 --> 02:01:07,618
Speaker 4: This is just he's not as exposed as ke On

2559
02:01:07,658 --> 02:01:09,458
Speaker 4: White is. All right, all right, fin, I'll give you

2560
02:01:09,458 --> 02:01:13,578
Speaker 4: another one. No, Michael Michael Kamara from Indiana second in

2561
02:01:13,618 --> 02:01:17,618
Speaker 4: the nation and pressures you've time six one, two, sixty.

2562
02:01:17,658 --> 02:01:20,778
Speaker 4: What do you do with him? Like undersized edge rusher.

2563
02:01:20,578 --> 02:01:25,698
Speaker 2: But undersized the length thinking to be an issue. Yeah,

2564
02:01:25,937 --> 02:01:28,538
Speaker 2: he's kind of like remember Mo Kamara last year, you

2565
02:01:28,698 --> 02:01:29,818
Speaker 2: liked him. I don't think they're re lated.

2566
02:01:29,818 --> 02:01:33,498
Speaker 4: I did like him. Okay, last thing? Who's college football payoff?

2567
02:01:33,698 --> 02:01:33,738
Speaker 2: No?

2568
02:01:34,778 --> 02:01:35,058
Speaker 10: Not that.

2569
02:01:36,378 --> 02:01:41,698
Speaker 2: So this is Todd emailing in and full disclosure. I'm

2570
02:01:41,698 --> 02:01:44,377
Speaker 2: sitting at a at a bar in Arizona on Saturday,

2571
02:01:44,978 --> 02:01:47,178
Speaker 2: and I sit down and there's a one of those

2572
02:01:47,218 --> 02:01:49,097
Speaker 2: things that called what they put on the table that's

2573
02:01:49,138 --> 02:01:52,018
Speaker 2: like an advertisement, like you know, like the little packard.

2574
02:01:51,738 --> 02:01:52,538
Speaker 4: The little placard.

2575
02:01:52,818 --> 02:01:57,258
Speaker 2: Sure at the table and I'm sit down and this

2576
02:01:57,498 --> 02:02:00,218
Speaker 2: guy that Todd emails in is on the placard and

2577
02:02:00,378 --> 02:02:03,058
Speaker 2: he's standing there with this big plate with this like

2578
02:02:03,258 --> 02:02:04,858
Speaker 2: giant hamburger on it.

2579
02:02:05,258 --> 02:02:08,338
Speaker 4: And I texted the picture to Barth instantly because it's

2580
02:02:08,418 --> 02:02:12,937
Speaker 4: the scatter Burger. Baby. It's Cam Scataboo, Welcome to Scatibo,

2581
02:02:13,058 --> 02:02:15,698
Speaker 4: Welcome to the NFL, Welcome to the nil Era. Yeah

2582
02:02:15,778 --> 02:02:18,618
Speaker 4: so Cam scattered, No, I couldn't get it had so

2583
02:02:18,778 --> 02:02:22,298
Speaker 4: much dairy in it, you know that. But Cam Scataboo

2584
02:02:23,298 --> 02:02:26,138
Speaker 4: is has a placard with his face on it, and

2585
02:02:26,218 --> 02:02:28,578
Speaker 4: he's standing there at the burger and it's the scatter

2586
02:02:28,618 --> 02:02:33,057
Speaker 4: Burger right next to Arizona State, and uh, the emailer asked,

2587
02:02:33,498 --> 02:02:35,538
Speaker 4: you know, if you're sitting there in the fourth round

2588
02:02:35,658 --> 02:02:38,658
Speaker 4: and Scataboo is there, are you taking him? There's gonna

2589
02:02:38,658 --> 02:02:40,858
Speaker 4: be better backs there than him at that point. But

2590
02:02:41,178 --> 02:02:43,098
Speaker 4: I'm not a post. Come on, you love it.

2591
02:02:43,338 --> 02:02:43,498
Speaker 7: I do.

2592
02:02:43,658 --> 02:02:45,498
Speaker 4: I love every running back in this draft. This is

2593
02:02:45,538 --> 02:02:48,618
Speaker 4: an insane running back. Love him. I like a lot

2594
02:02:48,658 --> 02:02:52,778
Speaker 4: of these backs. I'll take Kyle m Mike Alstott. Know

2595
02:02:53,138 --> 02:02:56,298
Speaker 4: you in that game and I said, I'm getting carried

2596
02:02:56,298 --> 02:02:58,658
Speaker 4: away here. Rockett Sanders will be on the board at

2597
02:02:58,698 --> 02:03:00,578
Speaker 4: that point. Film Maffa will be on the board at

2598
02:03:00,618 --> 02:03:03,578
Speaker 4: that point. I like Cam Scataboo. I think he's not

2599
02:03:03,818 --> 02:03:07,977
Speaker 4: he's His contact balance might be second to Jenty in

2600
02:03:08,058 --> 02:03:11,338
Speaker 4: this draft. Like he does not the first tackler never

2601
02:03:11,418 --> 02:03:13,778
Speaker 4: brings him down. Oh it's in the big twelve. We'll

2602
02:03:13,778 --> 02:03:15,538
Speaker 4: see him in the playoff. We'll see what it looks like.

2603
02:03:15,897 --> 02:03:18,458
Speaker 4: But he's also a capable receiver. He's not James White.

2604
02:03:18,498 --> 02:03:21,658
Speaker 4: He's a capable receiver. He's a good pass blocker, and

2605
02:03:22,018 --> 02:03:25,258
Speaker 4: they run some wildcat quarterback stuff with him. Not saying

2606
02:03:25,298 --> 02:03:26,818
Speaker 4: that I would do that here, but like, if you

2607
02:03:26,858 --> 02:03:29,257
Speaker 4: want to start doing some of that weird gadget stuff

2608
02:03:29,618 --> 02:03:31,858
Speaker 4: with Drake May, He's gonna be a good guy to

2609
02:03:31,937 --> 02:03:34,097
Speaker 4: have in the backfield with him. He fits the mold

2610
02:03:34,178 --> 02:03:35,977
Speaker 4: of this running back they have of like a guy

2611
02:03:36,018 --> 02:03:38,178
Speaker 4: who can do a little bit of everything. We see

2612
02:03:38,218 --> 02:03:40,898
Speaker 4: it with Antonio Gibson. We obviously know with Ramandre Stevenson

2613
02:03:41,578 --> 02:03:44,218
Speaker 4: he fits that mold. He'd be another good piece. I

2614
02:03:44,578 --> 02:03:46,338
Speaker 4: like him. I wouldn't be upset if they draft him.

2615
02:03:46,698 --> 02:03:51,338
Speaker 4: I think just he doesn't have that elite level athleticism.

2616
02:03:51,578 --> 02:03:53,698
Speaker 4: He's also a little bit older. That caps the ceiling.

2617
02:03:53,738 --> 02:03:55,977
Speaker 4: He has more carries on him. So that's why if

2618
02:03:55,978 --> 02:03:58,098
Speaker 4: we're talking about the fourth round, there might be some

2619
02:03:58,218 --> 02:04:01,458
Speaker 4: other guys I'd look at, But if they got him

2620
02:04:01,498 --> 02:04:03,498
Speaker 4: in like the sixth, I'd be a great pick and

2621
02:04:03,578 --> 02:04:05,178
Speaker 4: it would mean they address some other things a little

2622
02:04:05,258 --> 02:04:09,618
Speaker 4: higher up in the draft. Oregon wins. It's gonna be Oregon.

2623
02:04:09,778 --> 02:04:12,098
Speaker 4: My preseason pick was Ohio States, Like I'm sticking with

2624
02:04:12,218 --> 02:04:15,897
Speaker 4: that out of default, but Ryan Day or Ohio State

2625
02:04:15,978 --> 02:04:17,897
Speaker 4: is the best roster in the tournament. Ohio State is

2626
02:04:17,937 --> 02:04:19,778
Speaker 4: the most talent in the tournament. I don't know if

2627
02:04:19,778 --> 02:04:24,418
Speaker 4: they can overcome Ryan Day and their quarterbacks. Thinks. I

2628
02:04:24,538 --> 02:04:26,818
Speaker 4: think some of that's the coaching. He's so much worse

2629
02:04:26,858 --> 02:04:29,338
Speaker 4: now than he was at Kansas State. Quarterbacks bad. I

2630
02:04:30,218 --> 02:04:34,458
Speaker 4: think Debt Oregon has the better coach by far. How

2631
02:04:34,498 --> 02:04:35,937
Speaker 4: do you feel about him making the NFL jump? I

2632
02:04:35,978 --> 02:04:36,658
Speaker 4: been getting that question.

2633
02:04:36,698 --> 02:04:38,578
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that if I if I was

2634
02:04:38,698 --> 02:04:40,897
Speaker 2: Dan Lanning, if I was an NFL team that had

2635
02:04:40,897 --> 02:04:44,298
Speaker 2: an opening this offseason, one of my calls would be

2636
02:04:44,338 --> 02:04:46,458
Speaker 2: throwing a bag at Dan Lanning. I think he's just

2637
02:04:46,538 --> 02:04:49,978
Speaker 2: a great coach, so, you know, great defensive mind, great motivator.

2638
02:04:50,498 --> 02:04:52,618
Speaker 2: Since two thousand, you know, there's only two coaches that

2639
02:04:52,778 --> 02:04:57,138
Speaker 2: have had their first their first NFL job as a

2640
02:04:57,178 --> 02:04:59,458
Speaker 2: head job coming from college with a record over five.

2641
02:04:59,378 --> 02:05:05,338
Speaker 4: Hundred Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh and Bill O'Brien. Oh and they're

2642
02:05:05,338 --> 02:05:09,257
Speaker 4: just like like I. As a rule of thumb, primary

2643
02:05:09,338 --> 02:05:11,937
Speaker 4: college coaches do not have success in the NFL January.

2644
02:05:12,098 --> 02:05:14,698
Speaker 4: I generally believe that I would rather hire somebody with

2645
02:05:14,778 --> 02:05:17,378
Speaker 4: NFL experience of any NFL team. That being said, if

2646
02:05:17,458 --> 02:05:19,538
Speaker 4: anybody right now is making the jump from the college

2647
02:05:19,578 --> 02:05:22,578
Speaker 4: to the pros. It's Dan Lanner. So Dan Lanning really quickly.

2648
02:05:22,738 --> 02:05:25,018
Speaker 2: It reminds me a little bit of like the defense's

2649
02:05:25,138 --> 02:05:27,858
Speaker 2: version of Sean McVay, Like where like he has the

2650
02:05:28,418 --> 02:05:31,057
Speaker 2: he has a great schemer on the d defensive side

2651
02:05:31,098 --> 02:05:33,258
Speaker 2: of the ball, that's an elite trade, but he.

2652
02:05:33,258 --> 02:05:35,458
Speaker 4: Can also get away from this Mickey mouse offense he's running.

2653
02:05:35,538 --> 02:05:38,018
Speaker 4: But he also kind of has that motivator and that

2654
02:05:38,218 --> 02:05:41,458
Speaker 4: like sort of like leader called the college Dan Campbell.

2655
02:05:42,058 --> 02:05:44,258
Speaker 2: I don't, yeah, but I think that he's smarter than

2656
02:05:44,378 --> 02:05:47,377
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell well in terms of that like leadership leader.

2657
02:05:47,178 --> 02:05:50,297
Speaker 4: Right, That's why I went to I feel like McVeigh

2658
02:05:50,418 --> 02:05:53,297
Speaker 4: is like both mcvagh has that too. No, there's definitely

2659
02:05:53,818 --> 02:05:56,778
Speaker 4: there's definitely some Evan there. Andy's in the Nick Saban

2660
02:05:56,858 --> 02:06:00,937
Speaker 4: Kirby smart trade. Yeah, good coach. I Dan Lanning to

2661
02:06:01,058 --> 02:06:03,298
Speaker 4: me is the best coach in college football right now.

2662
02:06:03,498 --> 02:06:06,538
Speaker 4: I don't think it's close. You can have Lane, you

2663
02:06:06,618 --> 02:06:09,138
Speaker 4: can have Sark, you can have Kirby, and I know

2664
02:06:09,258 --> 02:06:12,378
Speaker 4: some of those guys have rings. Kirby's a legend. Kirby's

2665
02:06:12,378 --> 02:06:14,058
Speaker 4: a legend. I think Dan Lanning's the best coach in

2666
02:06:14,058 --> 02:06:17,897
Speaker 4: college footballer Kirby. Kirby's good. Yeah, how much control does

2667
02:06:17,937 --> 02:06:19,897
Speaker 4: he have in his program? Kirby's stamp? How much control

2668
02:06:19,897 --> 02:06:22,218
Speaker 4: does he Kirby's stamp. Kirby's a great coach. I'm not

2669
02:06:22,218 --> 02:06:24,218
Speaker 4: saying he's not a great coach. If I could pick

2670
02:06:24,258 --> 02:06:25,937
Speaker 4: any coach in college football right now to start a

2671
02:06:25,937 --> 02:06:27,097
Speaker 4: program with, it's Dan Lanning.

2672
02:06:27,338 --> 02:06:30,618
Speaker 2: All right, we can finally wrap. Now you got all

2673
02:06:30,658 --> 02:06:33,698
Speaker 2: your college football takes. I have more, but yeah, you got.

2674
02:06:33,858 --> 02:06:37,138
Speaker 4: You're done doing Taekwon Thornton again. Oh God, don't know

2675
02:06:37,258 --> 02:06:40,017
Speaker 4: he's better than Taekwon. Why you haven't told me why?

2676
02:06:40,218 --> 02:06:41,418
Speaker 4: I don't have a good reason.

2677
02:06:41,458 --> 02:06:44,698
Speaker 2: I just think I test he's better. So he's faster, No,

2678
02:06:45,018 --> 02:06:47,458
Speaker 2: he's just like he's not as like, he's not as

2679
02:06:47,698 --> 02:06:49,738
Speaker 2: as as frail. I think he weighs like one hundred

2680
02:06:49,738 --> 02:06:50,778
Speaker 2: and sixty pounds, all right.

2681
02:06:50,937 --> 02:06:53,298
Speaker 4: And I like, isay you bought this? Come on, we

2682
02:06:53,658 --> 02:06:57,698
Speaker 4: gotta go, all right, just next week we will have

2683
02:06:57,818 --> 02:06:58,177
Speaker 4: a show.

2684
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2685
02:07:02,378 --> 02:07:05,298
Speaker 2: barring your scheduling and stuff like that for the team,

2686
02:07:05,418 --> 02:07:08,297
Speaker 2: but we will have a show next week, so we'll

2687
02:07:08,338 --> 02:07:11,378
Speaker 2: see you guys, uh next Thursday. We'll keep you updated

2688
02:07:11,458 --> 02:07:13,137
Speaker 2: on the time if we have to move it around,

2689
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Speaker 2: but we will have a show during the holidays, so

2690
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Speaker 2: we'll see you guys then.

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