1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Podcast play. 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm buzz night, and this is the Take in 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: a Walk podcast where we take you on an audio 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: journey with a variety of really cool folks or with 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: a story to tell, a story about music, a story 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: about the artist, the backstory. 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: On this episode, I go back to the glorious. 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: Radio days in Boston, which I was part of and 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: certainly observed. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 1: We have a talent who dominated the air in Boston, 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: also in New York and across the country and his 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: time on Serious XAM. 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: We go over to Central Park to take a walk 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: next with Nick Carter. 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: Well, Nick Carter, it is so great to be actually 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 3: taking a walk in person with you in Central Park. 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 4: New York City. 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 5: Hey, it's great to be with you man. 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 6: And as I say, I'm hoping I'm the first one 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 6: to take the show title literally because I my youthful 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 6: ward Peppermint p dot Mint, the mint my dog is. 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 6: She's known on the mean streets of the Upper West Side. 23 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 6: She's already blessed the place with the poop. 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 5: So you know, so far, so good. I love it. 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 4: I love it. 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 7: You are the first person that has brought the poocha 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 7: along to take a walk, although I did an episode 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 7: of taking a walk with my two knucklehead dogs in Carlisle, Massachusetts. 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 5: Wow, that's beautiful. Yeah, I'm a big I'm a big 30 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 5: believer in the site gag. It's cold taking the walk, 31 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 5: so I love it. 32 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 6: And I'm sitting on the subway. I'm going he's going 33 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 6: to think I'm the biggest dufe Is there a way? 34 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 5: O way? 35 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 4: I'm the guy that did it with my two dogs. 36 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 4: I'm the dufist. Well, she's got six people who listen 37 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: to it. 38 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 6: She's got kind of a it's funny because she's got 39 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 6: kind of a tragic story. I mean, I basically my 40 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 6: Instagram is basically pictures of me and past their prime 41 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 6: passer sell by celebrities and Peppermint and Peppermint. You know, 42 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 6: just what of her, you know, running around doing her 43 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 6: thing to videos like my favorite vet says a small dog. 44 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 5: She's like, you got to be careful with these low riders. 45 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 6: So she's running around chasing another small dog to a 46 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 6: war lowrider. And you know, literally that video got more pictures, 47 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 6: more likes than a picture of me and Robert Plant 48 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 6: And everybody's like. 49 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 5: Me should have her own Instagram. I'm like no, so 50 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 5: she has more followers than me. 51 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 6: Hard pass but she had a really it's interesting, but 52 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 6: what were you doing then? 53 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 5: She had a really tough life. 54 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 6: She was abandoned on the streets of the Bronx at 55 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 6: two months old, which blows my mind. I mean, I 56 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 6: just how much you would have taken just to drop 57 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 6: her off at a vet or a shelter. And her mom, well, 58 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 6: my dog, who's a Habanese, passed away two months actually 59 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 6: this this month, two years ago, two months before she 60 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 6: turned sixteen. 61 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 5: And her human. 62 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 6: Mom passed away two months after that. Oh man, And 63 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 6: so I kind of inherited. I mean, she was living 64 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 6: with me. She's been living with me for a couple 65 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 6: of years. And Bianca, her mom passed away at only 66 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 6: forty three. And all her friends are like, well, you're 67 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 6: keeping Peppermint, right, I'm like, no, I thought i'd put 68 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 6: her on eBay. 69 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 4: I mean really yeah. 70 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 6: But that's the story of Peppermint, or the Mint is 71 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 6: she's known on the mead streets of the Upper West Side. 72 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 7: I'm so honored to meet the Mint, and I'm glad 73 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 7: to see you. 74 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 4: I haven't seen you in a while. I think the 75 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 4: last time I saw you was in a big event 76 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: that was involved. When you were right doing the National. 77 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 6: Right the National Show, right tap, right, right, right, right right, yeah, 78 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 6: on tap with Nick Carter, which. 79 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 5: You know, some of the best three years of my life, 80 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 5: you know. 81 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 6: I got yelled at by Peter Frampton, I got called 82 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 6: names by George Stargold. 83 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 5: It was great. I used to have longer hair than 84 00:03:59,320 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 5: I used to joke. 85 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 6: VH one Classic has hired a spiky haired black guy 86 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 6: to play classic rock to a bunch of red stage 87 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 6: What could possibly go wrong? I remember, like my commercial, 88 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 6: thank god, VH one Classic had next to no ads, 89 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 6: so it was either my promo me or the slap 90 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 6: Chop guy. 91 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 5: And Slash came in. 92 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 6: I mean I talked to him a couple of times 93 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 6: and he's, well, I'm one of those people that people 94 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 6: know my name and know my face, but don't put 95 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 6: them together, I think. 96 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 5: And so he had come in to do an interview 97 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 5: and he walks in. 98 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 6: The studio he goes, oh, to you, I see you 99 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 6: every time I'm on the treadmill. 100 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 5: How rock and roll. 101 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 6: I'm just trying to imagine Slash on the treadmill with 102 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 6: a dopey top hat. Uh. 103 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 5: But yeah, that was That was a great experience because I. 104 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 6: Had sort of fancied myself, you know, like Johnny Alt 105 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 6: rock guy, and you know, I always kind of I 106 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 6: had a tacit respect for classic rock because that's the 107 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 6: sort of building blocks of everything that I listened to. 108 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 6: But my perception at that time, this is twenty eleven, 109 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 6: twenty twelve, My perception was that, you know, even though 110 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 6: I was out of the demographic, as they. 111 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 5: Like to say, I was like, Oh, that's that's the 112 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 5: old guy. That's the old guy format. 113 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 6: So it was funny because when artists would come in 114 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 6: me A being a person of color and B being 115 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 6: you know, we're looking with this dopey baby face. I 116 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 6: used to say to my boss, it's hilarious. They come 117 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 6: in and they're polite, but I think at first they're 118 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 6: a little thrown off, like they're not they're figuring this 119 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 6: guy has no idea who I am. You know, he's 120 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 6: just got what did this guy take a break from 121 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 6: his rap show to talk to me? You know? And 122 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 6: and and they were shocked to find that not only 123 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 6: did I know their music inside or out, I knew 124 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 6: their stories and they just it was really weird. 125 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 5: And my boss actually. 126 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 6: Said to me, He's like, you know, we well you 127 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 6: kind of use that, and I'm like, you know, I 128 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 6: get where you're coming from. 129 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 5: I'm not sure that's legal for you to say, but 130 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 5: all right, cool. So where did you first realize that 131 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 5: radio was. 132 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 4: In your blood? Well? 133 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 6: I grew up in Massachusetts. I grew up in Cambridge, Massachusetts. 134 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 6: I was I ham myself. I'm sorry, please don't trip 135 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 6: any buddy. I started my career quote unquote, I don't 136 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 6: even know how old I was. 137 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 5: I did okay, seventh grade. I did a show for NPR. 138 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 6: Called The Spider's Web where I was like a youth reporter. 139 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 5: But I was always a music nerd. I can remember the. 140 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 6: First forty five I bought, the first album I bought, 141 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 6: and I just was fascinated by DJs. And I grew 142 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 6: up listening to everybody from the Great Sunny Joe White 143 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 6: to Jojoe Cooking Kincaid, these Top forty Monsters, to Mark 144 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 6: Parento on WBCN, who I just thought was a god. 145 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 5: And then as I got older and I got into. 146 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 6: Business, I kind of get tagged with the Howard Stern 147 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 6: shockjock thing, which bothered me because my goal and That's 148 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 6: what I kind of I feel like that I'll always 149 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 6: be indebted to Sirius XM. 150 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 5: My goal was to be. 151 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 6: Like guys like Tom Snyder, Larry King, Tavis Smiley, who 152 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 6: could literally talk to anyone like I mean, I remember 153 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 6: as a little boy watching The Clash right the Clash 154 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 6: on the Tom Snyder showt like one o'clock in the morning, 155 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 6: and the. 156 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 5: Next day he's talking to like Mosha Diane, you know, 157 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 5: and I was like, how does that happen? Yeah, you know, And. 158 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 6: But I just the idea of I was a frustrated 159 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 6: musician too, as our many radio personalities, and the idea 160 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 6: that you know, you could hear your voice over the 161 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 6: music and it was sort of musical. 162 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 5: It just it just I don't know, it. 163 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 6: Was just something about it that just really really turned 164 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 6: me on. And then you know, the idea that you 165 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 6: could connect and I was gonna say, be funnier, at 166 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 6: least attempt to be funny on the air. It was 167 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 6: just it was just it was just a great thing 168 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 6: for me. And I also, you know, as I say, 169 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 6: I started in public radio and then when I was 170 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 6: in seventh grade, I got my first TV show on 171 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 6: Channel four WBZ in Boston, and it. 172 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 5: Was just it was everybody's like, oh, I gotta see tapes. 173 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 6: No, no, no, they're in the vault with this suburger 174 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 6: film and the porno from Hitler's bunker. 175 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 5: Because I was I was an overweight kid. I had 176 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 5: a huge space in my teeth. I had big, thick 177 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 5: coke ball glasses, a huge afro. You know. It was 178 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 5: like that that. I mean, it was like the Death Star. 179 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 6: It rivaled everybody from Jeff Wynn and Don Henley to 180 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 6: Angela Davis. 181 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 5: And I looked back down and I'm like, how did 182 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 5: my parents let me go on TV like that? 183 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 4: So what was the name of that show? 184 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 6: It was called Changing Places, where they took a bunch 185 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 6: of kids and dropped them into the news anchor's positions, 186 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 6: and I changed places with Jimmy Myers and did a 187 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 6: sports cast, although I knew very little about sports. And 188 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 6: then they liked me and I got another show was 189 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 6: called The City Show. 190 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 5: Then they changed the name to Get. 191 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 6: Off Your Block, where I literally walked around in the 192 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 6: summer and showed kids, you know, hey, go. 193 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 5: To the Science Museum. 194 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 6: It's open and it's not that expensive. And got I 195 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 6: actually got an Emmy. I didn't get it, but my 196 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 6: producer did my first voiceover. This woman named Susan Bell 197 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 6: borrowed me and she wanted me to voice a couple 198 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 6: of promos like public service announcement, and the first one 199 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 6: was they're wheeling this picture of this this. 200 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 5: Really sickly looking little white kid. 201 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 6: I think he had red hair, and they're wheeling him 202 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 6: down the hall in this gurney and this kid, I mean, 203 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 6: it sounded like so eighties. 204 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 5: He's like, you know, I was really really sick. 205 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 6: And then this really cool lady came up to me 206 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 6: and helped me, and I thought she was a nurse. 207 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 5: Turns out she was the doctor. Turns out you don't 208 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 5: have to be a man. 209 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 6: To be a good doctor. You just have to be 210 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 6: a good doctor, you know. And the key was like 211 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 6: it's being good at what you do with the accounts. 212 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 5: It gets like. 213 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 6: Gender, you know whatever, and it won an Emmy. 214 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 5: I didn't get it. I mean at her house. 215 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 6: And the funny thing is the first woman who put 216 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 6: me on TV, this woman, Gail Levine. She came to 217 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 6: New York and she became a giant casting director. She 218 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 6: cast the Cruise movie. I'm Jerry Maguire and I looked 219 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 6: her up and I called her and I was like, Hi, 220 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 6: Snick Carter. 221 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 5: She's like from child do it. I was like, yeah, 222 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 5: I gotta call you back. Click, and I was the 223 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 5: last time I heard call you back exactly. I was like, 224 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 5: I saw Hollywood on you. 225 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 4: So this is all before your first radio game. Yes, sorry, essentially. 226 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, My first actual gig quote unquote being a DJ 227 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 6: was in school Nyu Wnyu. 228 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 5: I studied theater there. 229 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: I was. 230 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 6: I literally almost got thrown out of the theater department 231 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 6: because I would blow off class so much to go 232 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 6: hang out at the radio station. 233 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 5: And I did a couple of shows. 234 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 6: Again, it was the eighties, so I did a club 235 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 6: show called Club eighty nine where we broke records, like 236 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 6: underground records that were being played. 237 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 5: They are now like club classics. 238 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 6: I did a show I inherited, the disco show Disco 239 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 6: eighty nine, which was literally a classic disco show for 240 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 6: my friend Don Milano, who's now a big sales guy. 241 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 5: I know him. 242 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, well he was like he created it. And the 243 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 6: funny thing is, you know Wnyu. Since know I lived 244 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 6: on campus in the village. The transmitters in the BRONX. 245 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 5: So people on campus couldn't get the station, you know, 246 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 5: so basically you were broadcasting to people who were just listening, 247 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 5: you know, in New York, New. 248 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 6: Jersey, Connecticut, you know, Westchester County, and a lot in Brooklyn. 249 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 5: And this disco show was unbelievably popular. 250 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 6: The phones would start start ringing at like eight thirty 251 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 6: on Wednesday. 252 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 5: The show was on from nine to eleven, and they 253 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 5: wouldn't stop bring until like midnight. 254 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 6: So I played disco, but I channeled by Inner Sunny 255 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 6: Joe White and screamed over you know, Dan Hartman. 256 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 5: Instant replay or whatever. 257 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 6: And I eventually got fired from my college radio station, 258 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 6: and I moved back to Boston because I was broke 259 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 6: and NYU, excuse me, New York was so expensive then, 260 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 6: I mean, not like now, but and I started working 261 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 6: part time at WFNX in Boston. I'd been turned down 262 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 6: by I think two different program directors and the consultant, 263 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 6: and then Max Tolkoff, who was the first guy to 264 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 6: put me on the air, he brought me in. 265 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 5: I remember he said, he said, you know, the rest 266 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 5: of these DJs. 267 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 6: Need some of what you have, and you need to 268 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 6: have some of what they have because they were got 269 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 6: to throw this poop away. 270 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 5: They were all really, really mellow and laid back, and 271 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 5: I was. 272 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 6: All higher, I'm so excited to hear my voice over 273 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 6: the best mood in the middle of the night, and it. 274 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 5: Was just all my calls were hilarious. I remember my 275 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 5: first night. 276 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 6: I was like, you don't want to what seven FNX, Boston's alterary. 277 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 5: I picked up the phone, Hi aped X what do 278 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 5: you want? Kiss boy? Which was the big top forty 279 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 5: or you know. I remember this. One woman was just like, dude, 280 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 5: what do you do it? So I kind of mellowed out. 281 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 6: And then EBCN had offered me part time a couple 282 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 6: of times where I literally would have made more money 283 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 6: two days a week on from DBCN than I was 284 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 6: making six nights a week on. 285 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 5: WFNX in the middle of the night. And I said no. 286 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 5: And the legendary Oedipus who was the program director, walked 287 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 5: around for years because it kept getting back to me. 288 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 5: But I kept Nick carterson, no to me, mark part 289 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 5: timers make more in the full times. That was wrong, 290 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 5: Like he sought out anybody he knew who knew me. 291 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 5: It's a good imitation he's like a second father to me. 292 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 6: So then so then I left finally and I went 293 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 6: to do mornings in Providence, Rhode Island, and I was 294 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 6: there for six months and he called me. 295 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 5: I think you're running. He's like, god, this ought to 296 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 5: be fascinating. Okay, you're running to be on WBC and 297 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 5: IM Boston. And I was like, all right, but you know, 298 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 5: I told these guys i'd be here a year. He's like, 299 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 5: I think about your future quick. 300 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 6: And thank god my my program director, Brent Peterson said 301 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 6: to me. He was like, listen, you can go in 302 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 6: there and you can you can change that station. 303 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 5: You know. 304 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 6: Because I didn't have a contract, I just gave him 305 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 6: my word i'd be there six months. And he said 306 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 6: to me, I do the me test on this. He's 307 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 6: from Chicago and he said, if Q one O one 308 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 6: or whatever, the big station at the time called me, said, 309 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 6: I'd be so hout of here. 310 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 5: He's like, you gotta go. And I said, well, I 311 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 5: appreciate that, but you know, I give you my word. 312 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 5: I'm gonna state. And he said, okay, well you can stay, 313 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 5: but if you stay, I'm gonna fire you. 314 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 4: Oh wow. 315 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was It was so selfless. So I went 316 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 5: back to Boston in nineteen ninety there. 317 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 6: Six and uh, therapy and antidepressants were soon to fall. 318 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was quite a run, right, you know, it 319 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 5: was eight years. 320 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 6: It felt like twice that because it was it was 321 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 6: just it was insane. It was I mean, I look 322 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 6: back now and we were in the middle of this 323 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 6: unbelievably nasty rock battle and it's hilarious to me because 324 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 6: I mean, not to be political, but I see a 325 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 6: correlation between a lot of the Magot stuff because it 326 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 6: was almost cult like, you know, this this one radio 327 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 6: station we competed with WAAF. I mean, they tapped into 328 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 6: something of vain where literally these kids who they thought 329 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 6: it was a crusade to kind of go out and 330 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 6: represent for this radio station that played eighty percent of 331 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 6: the same stuff we did, you know, I mean, and 332 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 6: another twenty percent was the secret sauce. They were very heavy, 333 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 6: and we were, you know, by comparison, kind of dorky, 334 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 6: you know, in corporate, but they, you know, it was 335 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 6: it was insane. I mean, I remember my dad was 336 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 6: in the hospital, it had cancer. When I was hired 337 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 6: to do night seven pm to eleven pm at WBCN 338 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 6: for three years, and I figured that was it. Not no, 339 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 6: I mean I was so naive. I didn't know that 340 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 6: I was being groomed for acting and drive. Then everybody 341 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 6: else knew it but me, and I was just like, oh, 342 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 6: you know, I could afford to move out of mom's house. 343 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 5: Now I could also. 344 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 6: Get a car, you know, because when I was at FNX, 345 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 6: literally I had friends that were working at fast food 346 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 6: who were making more than I was. I was making 347 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 6: six dollars an hour. Whoa, you know, I paid my dues. 348 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 6: But my dad had had colon cancer. He had surgery, 349 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 6: and when I moved to afternoons, I remember he was 350 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 6: in the hospital and he was trying to recover and 351 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 6: stuff between this. 352 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 5: Other radio station and I had spilled into the. 353 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 6: Newspapers and you know, they were finding coded language to 354 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 6: make reference to me being black. 355 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 5: So it was just they got very very nasty. I mean, 356 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not a spye to I mean, I'm I'm. 357 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 6: Pretty tough, but you know, my parents were like freaked out, 358 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 6: and I'll never forget going to the hospital to see 359 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 6: my dad, and my dad was like, because you know, 360 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 6: I was going out doing appearances and my dad was like, 361 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 6: it's a little bit of security for you. And I'm 362 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 6: like that these you know, these knuckleheads are just gonna 363 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 6: get my face. 364 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 5: And say something. Nobody's gonna like put hands on me. 365 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 6: But you know that that really bothered me because you know, 366 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 6: if you have any dealings with cancer, stresses everything, right, 367 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 6: you know, And so it really got to him and 368 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 6: I was like that, you know, I'm I'm I mean, 369 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 6: I was fifty pounds heavier. Then I was like, I'm 370 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 6: a big guy, you know. I mean, nobody knew that 371 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 6: I was a complete you know marshmallow inside. 372 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 5: You know, I'm loud and I could talk a good game. 373 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 5: What what step outside? 374 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 6: Talk about it right in the second they go outside 375 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 6: and I'm inside like. 376 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know it was see I had you know, 377 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: I was there and I knew the battle, but I. 378 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 5: Did know that you're telling the story from your. 379 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: View, though I had forgotten how kind of evil and 380 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: nasty the whole thing. 381 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 5: God, I got called the N word so much. 382 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 6: And I couldn't even get angry at these kids because 383 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 6: I knew they didn't. 384 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 5: Even really know what they were saying. 385 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 6: They would just call up, call up the station, you know, 386 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 6: say it and like hang up. And really, you know, 387 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 6: it was Opie and Anthony, who I think are incredibly talented, 388 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 6: but they were their own were sentiment. You know, I've 389 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 6: never seen anybody with a bigger self destruct mechanism than 390 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 6: those guys. 391 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 5: You know, they really were just. 392 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 6: It was weird because they believed their own legend. But 393 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 6: at the end of the day, I think they don't 394 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 6: have any. 395 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 5: Idea how good they actually were. 396 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 6: And I you know, when we finally sort of squashed 397 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 6: the beef one day, we went out one day and 398 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 6: would drinking all day and we just sort of like 399 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 6: yelled at each other. 400 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 5: We kind of ended it all and I just said to 401 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 5: them's like, you guys, you don't get it. I mean, 402 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 5: you're being groomed for everything. 403 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 6: You know, You're being groomed to take over the mantle 404 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 6: from Howard Stern. All you have to do is, you know, 405 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 6: not be overshadowed by a leaf blower, right, you know, they, 406 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 6: I don't know, they just didn't get it. And then 407 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 6: I was at BCND about eight years and during that time. 408 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 5: I was up. 409 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 6: The reason I got to New York was I was 410 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 6: up for afternoons a k Rock against I believe it 411 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 6: was Chris Booker, who had been on the station for 412 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 6: quite some time, and he also had a national profile. 413 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 5: Who've been on MTV and then he left MTV and 414 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 5: he was he was the. 415 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 6: A A reporter for Entertainment Tonight and he was dating 416 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 6: Linda Lopez, Jlo's sister. 417 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 5: This is during the whole benefit thing. 418 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 6: So whenever there was a j Lo or a Ben 419 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 6: Affleck story, and Ben Affleck cli went to. 420 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 5: High school with he had the exclusive, so he was everywhere. 421 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 6: And so after news came down to he and I 422 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 6: and I'm told. 423 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 5: That the program director, I mean, he had also been. 424 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 6: On Howard's show a lot, and I was told Howard 425 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 6: went to the program director said who who you. 426 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 5: Got to give Booker the job? 427 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 6: And he called me and he was like, yeah, I man, 428 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 6: I got to go with Booker. And I was like, 429 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 6: of course, I'd go with Booker over me. 430 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 5: That's a new brainer. And so I want to say. 431 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 6: The end of two thousand and four, December, yes, December 432 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 6: thirty first two thousand and four of my contract was up, 433 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 6: and I was on my way to work and we 434 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 6: had a new program director who I had kind of 435 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 6: helped usher in because when Edipus was leaving, I knew 436 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 6: a bunch of the candidates, and the general manager said 437 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 6: to me, what do you think of this guy? 438 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 5: We can think of this guy? I said, well, Dave Wellington. 439 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 5: You know he's he's killing in Vegas. He's the guy. 440 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 5: You know. 441 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 6: I didn't realize he's going to come in and be like, okay, 442 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 6: let's see what what can we lose you? And so 443 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 6: my contract was up December thirty first, two thousand and four, 444 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 6: and I was on my way to work and my 445 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 6: agent called me and said, yeah, we got problems. 446 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 5: I said, uh, okay, said yeah. 447 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 6: They want to go in another direction. I was like, 448 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 6: all right, well I have a compass. You know, I'd 449 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 6: never heard that term before, right, And so I said, well, 450 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 6: get me a meeting. And I had a meeting with 451 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 6: him that day and the general manager and I basically said, well, 452 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 6: you know, I can go wherever you want to go. 453 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 5: And they're like, well, we're going to go in another direction. 454 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I get another direction without me. Okay, 455 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 5: I got it. 456 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 6: And so again, and that was another thing. He ended 457 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 6: up hiring a guy who I'm friends with from his 458 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 6: station in Vegas. 459 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 5: To do I was only doing afternoon drive. He was 460 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 5: hired to do after and drive. 461 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 6: And be the imaging director basically, like you know, produce 462 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 6: all the interstitials that talk that sort of made the 463 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 6: image of the radio station for probably. 464 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 5: Half of what I was making, So I can't argue that. 465 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 6: And then I don't know if you remember this, but 466 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 6: Howard Stern his cast of oddballs, Stuttering. 467 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 5: John and Crazy Cabby. 468 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 6: Crazy Cabby who was a GOP War veteran who was 469 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 6: shell shocked, complete character, but he was on Howard Show 470 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 6: all the time, but he was also doing. 471 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 5: Overnights at the station. He and Stuttering John despised each other. 472 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 6: They got into a fight, and Howard, being the master 473 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 6: of marketing, decided to settle. 474 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 5: This beef in a. 475 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 6: Boxing match sponsored by I think it was Goldenpalace dot com. 476 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 6: Person was twenty five thousand dollars. Cabby wins the purse, 477 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 6: goes on the air and. 478 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 5: Says, yeah, I got twenty five thousand dollars. I'm not paid. 479 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 5: I didn't pay any taxes on it. Ye Ris is listening, 480 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 5: Oh jeez, and that's it. So I'm sitting home one 481 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 5: day again, I was like December thirty. 482 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 6: First I was trying to decide what I was going 483 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 6: to do next, and I want to say early January, 484 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 6: the phone rang. 485 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 5: It's the program director of XRK, and I sort of 486 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 5: I'll never forget this. He says, hey, dude, Cabby's going 487 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 5: to jail and we could do some help. 488 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 6: You want to come down and do some shifts Jesus, 489 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 6: And I. 490 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 5: Was like, uh. And that's how I got into Caro. 491 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 5: I that's how I got into New York. 492 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 6: And it's funny because i'd also I just bought my 493 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 6: first house, so I thought, you know, well, I really 494 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 6: want to do voiceovers. So I built this elaborate studio, 495 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 6: home studio, and in two thousand and four that wasn't 496 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 6: a thing. So I built this elaborate home studio and 497 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 6: I started to send my demos to agents here and 498 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 6: I got the attention of three and the one I 499 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 6: really wanted to go with her like, okay, well, you know, 500 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 6: like calls when. 501 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 5: You get to the city, and I was like, well no, 502 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 5: but I built the studio. Yeah, yeah, that's nice calls 503 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 5: when you get to the city. And I was like wow. 504 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 5: So I started working. Ah. I flew down to New 505 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 5: York on a Thursday or I took the train. 506 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 6: I did an audition ten pm to two am Thursday night, 507 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 6: and I. 508 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 5: Had before I had my iPhone, I had my BlackBerry. 509 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 6: And I basically used it as email and text because 510 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 6: it wouldn't take calls or it would drop calls. 511 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 5: And you know, I didn't even know people called me. 512 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 6: So I'm walking around and Friday afternoon because I had 513 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 6: a bunch of friends here, and I get a message 514 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 6: from the pdcare I because hey, man, I just listened 515 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 6: to your demo. 516 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 5: Hey that was great. Great, give me a call. 517 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 6: We'll talk, I said, and I hadn't heard the message. 518 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 6: Then the next message I get was his assistant. Hey, 519 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 6: this is Miyanka from kayok I have your schedule next 520 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 6: Saturday and Sunday two to six pm. 521 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 5: And I'm like, wait what. I had no idea. 522 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 6: So I started working part time at kay Rok in 523 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 6: New York two to six every Saturday and Sunday. And 524 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 6: I would take the Amtrak down on Friday, check into 525 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 6: a hotel, go out Friday night with my friends, get 526 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 6: up Saturday, go to the station, do my thing, go 527 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 6: out Saturday night, check out of my hotel on noon 528 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 6: on Sunday, go up to Ka Rock, which was on 529 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 6: fifty seventh and sixth on the air from two to 530 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 6: six with my bag, jump on the subway, get back 531 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 6: down to Penn Station at seven, and take the Amtrak 532 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 6: back down. 533 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 5: To the Boston Wow. And I did that from February 534 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 5: to October when I finally says like, I'm just gonna 535 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 5: move there. 536 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 6: Yeah, and here I am with the Mint and you 537 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 6: ain't never leaving. 538 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 5: I don't know. 539 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 6: You know, now that I've left a series XM, the 540 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 6: first two jobs offers I got, we're out of town, 541 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 6: and you know, I mean my goal is kind of 542 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 6: to stick around. I mean, I feel like if I'm 543 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 6: here till two thousand and five, that will be twenty 544 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 6: years here. 545 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 5: So I don't know if you get a set of 546 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 5: steak knives or you're fired. 547 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,239 Speaker 6: Like you know, I'm like Gary Glenn Russie exactly an 548 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 6: official bed, like an iHeart New York Bend. But you know, 549 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 6: I mean, if somebody says to me, here's you know, 550 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 6: six hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and even if you 551 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 6: set the place of blaze, we can't fire you. You know, 552 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 6: I Mom can't find you Nebraska. 553 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 5: Here I come you love interview. Sorry, she wants to 554 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 5: say hi to everybody. 555 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 4: Means the ambassador of Central Port. 556 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 6: She is she dude, I tell you she it's so funny, 557 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 6: like literally, like in my building, everybody knows her name. 558 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 5: Nobody knows nor could they care less about my name. 559 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 6: And she has this thing where she just wants to 560 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 6: jump up on everybody. 561 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 5: And she always jumps up on people's just to say hello. 562 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 5: And I'm like, no, no, no no, and they're always like 563 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 5: it's okay, it's okay, And I'm just waiting till the day. 564 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 6: It's like my nine thousand dollars blends zuckabats, I'm gonna 565 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 6: have your boat gowned right. 566 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 5: Anyway, I'm sorry you were. 567 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 4: Saying, So you've always enjoyed interviewing people. Who are some 568 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 4: of your favorite interviews you've done in your career? 569 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 6: Wow, Well that's the thing, A lot of them, you know. 570 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 6: I will always be grateful to Serious XM because although 571 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 6: the concept of my channel that I went in for 572 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 6: it was called Volume. 573 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 5: It was a top channel about music. 574 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 6: And I remember my boss, who was my boss at 575 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 6: VH one, had started it and he took me to 576 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 6: lunch one day and he says, I got a meeting 577 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 6: with Sirius. 578 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 5: It's like, oh really, he says, what would you think 579 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 5: about a channel that talked about music but didn't play it. 580 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 5: I was like, dumbest idea I've ever heard. 581 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 6: But then I said, no, you know what, actually, if 582 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 6: you made it like sports talk for music dorgs, that 583 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 6: could work. So initially we would just play like thirty 584 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 6: second s difference of songs to make reference. I you know, 585 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 6: I had done a lot of really interesting interviews before 586 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 6: I got too serious, because I was doing rock and 587 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 6: alternative rock and classic rock radio. When I got too serious, 588 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 6: they really did allow me to live my you know, 589 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 6: pseudo Larry King dream where I talked to everybody from 590 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 6: Ron Howard to you know, Ozzy Osbourne to. 591 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 5: Geez I Neil deGrasse Tyson three or four times. And 592 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 5: my boss was funny. 593 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 6: He would always say, when I wanted to book somebody, well, 594 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 6: what's what's the musical tie in? 595 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 5: I said, Oh, don't worry, I'll find one. 596 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 6: So, you know, I promoted whatever Neil de grasse Tyson 597 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 6: was talking about that I'd ask him about the science 598 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 6: of music and he said, well, reverb, and he would 599 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 6: just sit and go off on this screed about like 600 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 6: what makes reverb? 601 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 5: It was crazy. One of my favorites was. 602 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 6: Ron Howard, who I was a huge fan of, of course, 603 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 6: and he came in to talk about his Pavaratti documentary, 604 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 6: and again, you know, my channel was basically it was 605 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 6: a kind of rock based, but you know, they wouldn't 606 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 6: actually say it, but that's really what we kind of 607 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 6: leaned toward. And at the end of the interview, I 608 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 6: swear to god, he says, oh. 609 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 5: Darn, Nick, I should have talked about Wool Tang. And 610 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 5: I looked at him. 611 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 6: I was like, Wool Tang, you forgetting his partners Brian Grazier, 612 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 6: and he said yeah. 613 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 5: And there was two Wu Tang series coming out and I 614 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 5: was like, is that you guys, And he said, yeah, 615 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 5: that's my partner. 616 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 6: And I forgot Brian Grazier, who put the Riza from 617 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 6: Wu Tang in American gangs for a bunch of other things. 618 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 6: And he was just like yeah. And I'm sitting there going, 619 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 6: I'm talking to Opie Taylor about the Wu Tang clan, right, 620 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 6: that's insane, That's awesome. My favorite part was literally when 621 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't want to sound like it's a jerk. 622 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 6: But when example like Huey Lewis, I'm a huge fan 623 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 6: of it. I mean, I'm basically like, I grew up 624 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 6: like kind of a hip hop, punk rock kid pop music, 625 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 6: but I love melody, so I love Huey Lewis. 626 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 5: And he was a little leery about talking to us. 627 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 6: You know, he needed us to us send him our 628 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 6: questions first because it's kind his hearing issue. So I 629 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 6: just made sure I sent him my questions. But then 630 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 6: I asked a paunch and I said that there were 631 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 6: not in the list, and I said, so is it 632 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 6: my understanding? So your your solo on USA for Africa 633 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 6: We Are the World? You got that because Prince didn't 634 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 6: show up and I was supposed to be Prince's line. 635 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 6: And he slams his hand on the table and he goes, Nick, 636 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 6: how do you know that I'm like, I'm a fan? 637 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 6: You know that was my favorite thing if somebody said, 638 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 6: how do you know that, I'm like, I'm a fan? 639 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, because I don't think they knew so. 640 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 6: That and you know pretty much anybody band of the 641 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 6: moment X to wow. My parent My mom died when 642 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 6: I was in two thousand my dad died in two 643 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 6: thousand and two. 644 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 5: So I interviewed both Pepper Engelbert. 645 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 6: Humperdink, who was hilarious, and Johnny Mathis, Wow, who you know? 646 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 5: Chen oh my were the silly grit. 647 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 6: And it was funny too because I walked in and 648 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 6: he's like, oh, you're cute, and I was like, you know, 649 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,239 Speaker 6: I'll take it. 650 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 5: What I didn't know is he's like in his eighties. 651 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 6: He had this giant I mean, I've been around a 652 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 6: lot of rock stars and they usually have like. 653 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 5: Big black bodyguards. He had the biggest, blackest bodyguard I'd 654 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 5: ever seen. 655 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 6: The guy had to have been like seven feet tall, 656 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 6: built like this, and he was like maybe forty five. 657 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 6: And his publicist pulled me aside, he goes, yeah, that's 658 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 6: his husband. 659 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 5: I was like, well, don't worry about it. I wasn't 660 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 5: gonna you know, I wasn't gonna act on the guy. 661 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 5: The guy I was cute, right, you know. 662 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: Did you ever go through an interview and then after 663 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: you were sort of debriefing on it, go I wish 664 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 2: I didn't ask that question? 665 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 6: No, I mean, you know, I I could always think 666 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 6: at things that I wish I had asked bad brains. Respect, 667 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 6: I always can think of things I wish I had asked. 668 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 5: It's been a long time since an interview really went bad. 669 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 6: And then if if it's gone badly, I've just this 670 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 6: toimes and I've just been like, okay, you know what, 671 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 6: thanks for coming in, you know, and afterwards, I've just said, look, 672 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 6: you know, I'm trying to help you sell your little project, 673 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 6: you know, but generally speaking, no, I mean, I've insulted guests, 674 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 6: you know, sort of lovingly and. 675 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 5: They got it so like I remember Ann Wilson punched me. 676 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 6: Like a like a hard punch, well like a sisterly punch, 677 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 6: but it was pretty hard. 678 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 5: Oh wow, she's like shot Nick, you know. And that's 679 00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 5: the kind of thing I love. But I mean, honestly, 680 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 5: I can't think of. 681 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 6: Anything I've regretted because again, you know, my thing is, 682 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 6: I've been very fortunate in that I've only had to 683 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 6: talk to a couple of people that I didn't really 684 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 6: want to, you know. 685 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 5: I mean, and I'm not the type that. 686 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 6: The only reason why I might not want to talk 687 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 6: to somebody is because I don't really feel like I 688 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 6: can bring anything out of them that hasn't been. 689 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 5: You know, Oh sorry, it hasn't been you know, recycled 690 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 5: a quajillion times. Well that's a good question. 691 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 6: I uh, I want to. 692 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 5: Say no, you know, because again, you know, I'm not 693 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 5: in it to make people feel bad. It's funny. I 694 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 5: think when when I was still. 695 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 6: In Boston and people are like, oh, yeah, he thinks 696 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 6: it's Howard Stern. I think there were some people that 697 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 6: were a little leery, you know, actors in particular. 698 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 5: That were literally lear. I remember Anthony Michael Hall, who. 699 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 6: You know, I grew up in the eighties, so I 700 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 6: was a huge fan, and he was coming in to 701 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 6: talk about. 702 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 5: This made for TV movie that. 703 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 6: He played Bill Gates did a great job. And I 704 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 6: remember my producers saying, listen, Nick loves actors, and Nick 705 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 6: is a huge fan, you know, And so I could 706 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 6: tell he came in a little guarded, but by the end, 707 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 6: you know, he's slapp at five and he went on 708 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 6: he went on Howard Stern the next day and he goes, yeah, 709 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 6: I just want to send a shout out to my 710 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 6: boy NICKI the Panton Boston, you know. 711 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 5: But I mean, I can't say that I've ever been like. 712 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 6: Oh, why did you ask that you idiot. There's I mean, 713 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 6: there's times when I thought I could have worded that better. 714 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, or maybe going at a different angle or something 715 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 3: like that. 716 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 5: But well, that's my thing. 717 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 6: I mean, I I one of my best friends, excuse me, 718 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 6: one of my best friends reminds me of when I 719 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 6: was still doing my when I still working at VH one. 720 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 6: The first time I spoke to Judas Priest, I asked 721 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 6: them about I asked Rob Halford about the lawsuit, you 722 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 6: know where the kids got high and played I think 723 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 6: it was staying class backwards and swore they heard you know, 724 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 6: do it, do it? 725 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 5: And obviously the do it translated to good a gun 726 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 5: and bow your head off. 727 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 6: And I remember a friend of mine, who had been 728 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 6: working the radio for a long time, said, he said, 729 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 6: you know, I was amazed at how much he talked 730 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 6: about that, because I'm sure that when people ask they 731 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 6: probably say, yeah, I mean de Troyal, that's so Tom. 732 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 6: And I just said to him, I said, you know, 733 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 6: if I recall, I said to him, you know, with 734 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 6: a band like yourselves, who have such a such an 735 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 6: intimate relationship with your fans, especially here in America, what 736 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 6: I said, I remember saying, did it. 737 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,240 Speaker 5: Change your perception of America at all. 738 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 6: Well, when your music was essentially put on trial for 739 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 6: these kids who did something crazy and weren't taking responsibility 740 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 6: for him, And he opened right up that I was 741 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 6: a little leery about because generally speaking, every once in 742 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 6: a while, you know, publicist. 743 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 5: Is like, don't talk about this, don't talk about that, 744 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 5: don't talk. 745 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 6: About this, and you know, half the time, I'm like, well, 746 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 6: I'm I'm not here to like make me feel bad anyway, right, 747 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 6: you know that? 748 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 5: Do you remember Peter Frampton? 749 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 6: He was like a bad mood and I asked his manager, 750 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,959 Speaker 6: I said, well, so anything he doesn't Because I always 751 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 6: say to an artist. 752 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 5: I'm like, anything you don't really want to talk about? 753 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 6: Or if I know I'm getting into something touchy, I'll 754 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 6: I often say, and this is my trick, I say, looking, 755 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 6: stop me if I'm getting too personal, and they never do. 756 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 6: But I remember I said to Peter Frampton's manager, I said, so, 757 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 6: is there anything he doesn't want to talk about? And 758 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 6: he said his latest divorce, losing his hair, and the 759 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 6: Sergeant Pepper movie. 760 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 5: And I was like, wow, I wasn't gonna talk him 761 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 5: about his divorce. I wasn't gonna be, you know, a 762 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 5: jerk and be like, hey, so what happened to the air? 763 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 5: You know? Yeah? I had my friend had come to 764 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 5: live like yo, I'm like, who's this guy? You know? 765 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 6: And I did want to talk about the Sergeant Pepper 766 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 6: movie because I was so fascinated. But he's very touchy wow, 767 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 6: and he was in a bad mood. He was because 768 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 6: it was VH one. I'll never forget. It's one of 769 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 6: the first interviews I did. Hey, and my engineer is 770 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 6: behind the camera and I'm talking to him, and you know, 771 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 6: I'm sitting there and I'll never forget Peter Brampton yells 772 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 6: at my engineer and will you stop moving? 773 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 5: You're moving around. 774 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 6: I'm trying to ask, I'm trying to pay touching down. 775 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 5: You asked your. 776 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,479 Speaker 6: Question again, and I was like, uh, I see. 777 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 5: That was the first year of the show. Had that 778 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 5: happened in the second year, that would have gone completely differently. 779 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 5: I would have been like, bro, can you hear yourself? 780 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 4: That so great? 781 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 5: You could you hear yourself? 782 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 6: You can't make this up now? And it bumped me 783 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 6: up because I love the guy. I love the guy, 784 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 6: and I was just like, oh, come on, man. But 785 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 6: again I also get you know, we all. 786 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 5: Have bad days. 787 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 6: And it's funny because one thing that I've noticed that 788 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 6: a lot of personalities or radio or TV people don't 789 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 6: realize is this. 790 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 5: Does work for them. 791 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 4: You know. 792 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 6: I remember when we first started, you know, my talk 793 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 6: channel about music volume. 794 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 5: My boss said, oh. 795 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 6: This is gonna be great because you know, artists going 796 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 6: to really want to talk, you know, they don't really 797 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 6: get to. 798 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 5: Talk on music radio. 799 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 6: And I'm like, yeah, but you know, when they're doing interviews, 800 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 6: they're promoting something, so it's work. So now you're saying, oh, 801 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 6: they can talk for an hour if they want, I'm like, oh, that's. 802 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 5: Like saying you know you can. 803 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 6: You can work overtime for no extra money, right, you know, 804 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 6: And I don't think people think about that, but you know, hopefully, 805 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 6: if you're doing justice by somebody, when you're told right, 806 00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 6: you have twenty minutes, you know, they don't are not 807 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 6: looking at their watch. 808 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 5: I was at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 809 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 6: In November, and again, I grew up a huge fan 810 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,919 Speaker 6: of the commodoores line are Richie solom not so much, 811 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 6: but I respect what he's done and when Lionel Richie 812 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 6: got in. It was myself and two other people from 813 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 6: the channel. We were doing mostly tandem interviews. But you know, 814 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 6: my coworkers knew that I was a huge fan, and 815 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 6: I was literally told two minutes and I was like, 816 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 6: uh uh okay, And you know, he was beyond. 817 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 5: Amenable. 818 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 6: I asked him one song about one question about going solo. 819 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 6: Then I said to him, tell me what you remember 820 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 6: about the night Bob Marley and the Whalers opened for 821 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 6: the Commodoors and managed the Square Garden. 822 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 5: And he looked at me, he goes, how do you 823 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 5: know about that? I'm like, I'm a fan. That's great, and. 824 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 6: He just said he said, man, I don't even remember 825 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 6: very much because Bob invited me down to his dress 826 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 6: room and stupidly I went down there and the smoke. 827 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 5: I couldn't even tell you about the show after that. 828 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 5: So it's great. So you know, that's it. I mean. 829 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 6: And I find half the time I just don't mind 830 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 6: if they feel like you're being respectful and know who 831 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 6: they are. It's just their handlers that are like, don't exist, 832 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 6: don't resist, on't this is Avril Levine, don't ask anything 833 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 6: about her line disease. She just released an album written 834 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 6: entirely about her line disease, you know, and she brought 835 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 6: it up and I was just like, all right, we'll 836 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 6: go with it. And I look up and I see 837 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 6: her her publicist in the hall like, you know, doing this, 838 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 6: like it's doing the slash, and I'm like, she's fine, 839 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,760 Speaker 6: what are you talking about? 840 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's weird. 841 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 4: So let's close with Crystal balling in the park. In 842 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 4: the the future, for you, it's a couple of years 843 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 4: from now. Where do you want to be what do 844 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 4: you want to be doing? 845 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 5: You know, that's my problem. 846 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 6: I don't really know because I I feel like I 847 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 6: want to do something that's going to. 848 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,760 Speaker 5: Allow me to flex the few muscles I have. Because 849 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 5: the thing is. 850 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 6: You know, I'm I'm. I had a long talk with somebody. 851 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 6: I was actually on a panel with somebody about imposter syndrome, 852 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 6: and I suffer from that really, really badly. I think, 853 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 6: I think when I'm at my best, I might not 854 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 6: be the best. But I think this is really not 855 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 6: anybody else around that sounds like me, you know, whether 856 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 6: it be in terms of just turn a phrase when 857 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 6: talking about music or actually talking to somebody or asking 858 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 6: somebody you know an interview question or whatever, or you know, 859 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 6: just as I say, like, I'm my good friend Aaron O'Malley, 860 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 6: who is in Boston stale she's been there like twenty 861 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 6: two years. On Mix one of four to one, she 862 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 6: said to me, she says, you're the best interview I've ever seen. 863 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 6: I was like, no, she said, no, you are, and 864 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 6: I said why. She said, well, because people don't even 865 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 6: realize it's a interview. 866 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 5: I said, well, that's the thing. 867 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 6: I just want to have conversations with you, you know, 868 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 6: I just want to talk to people. I mean, I 869 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,720 Speaker 6: hate you know, well it so's there in your bio 870 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 6: that you know. I just I as cliches it sounds. 871 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 6: I find people fascinating. I gotta tell you, the more 872 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 6: I hang out with my dog, the less I like people. 873 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: But amen to that. 874 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm getting a 875 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 5: little long in the tooth for TV. But okay, who knows? 876 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 5: Who knows what? You know? 877 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 6: I really don't know, As I say, I just I 878 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,720 Speaker 6: just left my job after seven years. 879 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 5: I do a lot of voiceover. I'd like to do 880 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 5: more of that. I just feel like there's there's there's ways. 881 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 6: To connect that I don't I don't even know if 882 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 6: the mainstream has really embraced him yet. I mean, I'm again, 883 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 6: everybody in their grandmother has a podcast now, so I 884 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 6: don't know if I'm looking forward to that. 885 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 4: But I'm referring to me as your grandmother. 886 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 5: My grandmother was never so cool. My grandmother never ran 887 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 5: a rock station. My grandma. 888 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 6: I remember when my grandma when I when I got 889 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 6: my uh my left ear piers, my grandmother's like, what 890 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 6: are you some kind of sissy? And I had like 891 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 6: long hair like I was trying to be print it's 892 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 6: a bad day, and you know it's long and straight, 893 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 6: and I remember I came in off with the out 894 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 6: of the rain and it sort of blew it around 895 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 6: the window. 896 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 5: That do your hair? Like, yeah, pretty much? It's called punk, grandma, Ah, yeah, 897 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 5: you look like a punk. All right. 898 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 4: Well, I've enjoyed this so much. I got to meet Mint. 899 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 3: I got to see you get this on the last 900 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 3: minute notice, which is even more fun. 901 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 6: And I needed an excuse to drag the mint out 902 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 6: and basically like pontificated by myself a lot. 903 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 4: I loved it. 904 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 6: I guess every bit of it because I'm sure she's 905 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 6: sick of hearing. She's like, well, you go back to work. 906 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 6: I'm so sick of hearing about your little stories. I'm 907 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 6: so sick of hearing about you getting drunk and making 908 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 6: out with a band of the moment X or whatever. 909 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 4: I loved every second of it. 910 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 5: Time. Oh you as well, man, I love it. 911 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks for taking a walk to me. 912 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,839 Speaker 5: So I loved it. I loved it. 913 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 6: I don't get to see this this side of Central 914 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 6: Park usually I'm usually further up. This is the uh, 915 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 6: this is the the nicer, touristy ridge side. 916 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 5: You want to you want to drink? Sm okay, come 917 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 5: and get a drinking. 918 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 6: Taking a Walk with Buzznight is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 919 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 6: or wherever you get your podcasts.