WEBVTT - The Real Killer Season 3: Ep. 13, My Youth is Over 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:05.439 A warning. This episode contains depictions of violence and conversations 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:10.119 about suicide that may be disturbing and triggering for some listeners. 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.800 If you are struggling with suicidal thoughts, please fast forward 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.040 to the end of this episode to find out where 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:21.840 help is available. Okay, lady gentlemen, I want to go 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.360 ahead and switch play over to Jeroboarding Lane Jered Barding 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:27.040 lanz Z one number five. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.960 For how quickte you some week. I'm with Sarah Centricision. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.000 So it's been a couple of weeks since our last 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.400 episode came out. The reason we needed to take a 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:39.280 break was so that I could go back to Kansas 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.000 City to conduct a couple of interviews, including one with 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:48.479 the other person at the very center of this story. Okay, so, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.279 first question, probably the easiest question of the day. If 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.080 you can say and spell your name for transcription. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:01:04.120 Sure, Kelly k E L L Y Moffatt Moffett. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.280 What will Kelly reveal in this first of two parts interview? 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.240 Will it tip the scales in this most tragic of 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:28.800 he said, she said, I'm Leah Rothman. This is the 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:42.040 real killer. Episode thirteen. My youth is over. After more 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.679 than a year of emailing and most recently texting with 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.080 Kelly Moffatt, and after she listened to the previous twelve episodes, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.520 which include what her former boyfriend Byron Case has had 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.000 to say about her, Kelly informs me she's now ready 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:02.120 to tell her side. Kelly is a bit late for 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:06.040 our pre arranged at noon start time. She jokes she'd 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.480 be late to her own funeral. When she arrives at 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:14.079 my second floor Airbnb, I'm surprised by how tall Kelly is. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.680 I mean, I'm short, but she is definitely taller than 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:23.880 I imagined. Kelly says she's nervous. Hell, I'm nervous too. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.600 We eventually sit down at the dining room table with 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:30.239 the Starbucks coffees I got us and begin our conversation. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.359 First things first, Kelly, I just want to say thank 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.480 you so much for agreeing to talk with me today. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.000 I don't know. The more I thought about it, I'm 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:46.160 just this is about Anastasia. To me, this is about 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:52.120 him wasting resources that are desperately needed for people that 0:02:52.200 --> 0:03:00.320 are actually wrongfully convicted. And I'm just, frankly just I'm 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.839 just sick of him slandering me and just the way 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.240 that things are represented. 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.519 I mean, it's been more than a decade since Kelly 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:15.800 has spoken publicly. What you're about to hear is a raw, intimate, emotional, 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:20.679 and at times meandering discussion that keeps me on the 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:27.800 edge of my seat. So you have been listening to 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:32.799 the podcast, what are some of the things that stood 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:33.200 out to you? 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:38.040 Well, first of all, Byron has not changed whatsoever, like 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.840 literally at all, with the cadence of his boys, how 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.680 he delivers things, and it felt like he was like 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:50.880 the same teenager or whatever that I knew. And just 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:57.440 his coldness about certain things, his coldness about Justin's death, 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.440 him act this is gonna get me upset. Sorry, him 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:08.360 pretending to be upset about it in Aastasia calling her Stasia, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:13.000 which was like reserved for her family and people that 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:18.040 loved her and stuff. I just like, he never ceases 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.600 to amaze me with just like I don't know. I mean, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.600 I'm like, do you sit in your jail set? Well, 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:29.239 I mean, of course in prison you have nothing but time, 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.039 But I'm like, do you really sit in your jail 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:36.839 cell and like practice these deliveries and stuff? Because I 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.520 know he's guilty. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.040 Let's start not the beginning beginning. But tell me a 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.520 little bit about meeting Justin and Anastasia and Byron. Byron 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.160 tells the story of how you all met at the 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.280 coffee shop. Just tell me a little bit what you 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.279 remember from Okay, I met. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:58.320 Justin first, and I don't even remember how we started talking. 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.680 So he was just kind of he had the type 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.960 of personality where he would just sit by people and 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:09.000 be like, so, what's your story? You know, I remember, uh, yeah, 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:13.160 I just ran into him over and over again, and 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.880 at the coffeehouses. Yeah, at well, specifically at Broadway Cafe. Yeah, 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.760 just got to know him on like a superficial level 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:26.600 and then kind of a broader level because he got 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.440 to where like I would go over to his apartment 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.840 and stuff. But he wasn't creepy towards me anyway. So 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:38.559 that's how I started knowing and hanging out with Justin 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.760 because he was just like a fixture at the coffee shop. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.680 And at that point I was too. I'd go after school. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.880 I mean, you were so young, I know. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.280 Wasn't that biz our. I had a friend that was 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.120 like the youngest of like four or five sisters. I 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.080 forget now. The older girls all hung out at that 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.839 coffee shop. So it was more like, Oh, take Kelly 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:03.880 and Rachel with you so that you're not bored, YadA YadA. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.760 I don't know, now I can't. I'm I think that's 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:11.480 completely insane. I knew Justin, and then I remember I 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:16.039 started seeing him and Byron hanging out more and more. 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.480 But Byron was also like very well known down there, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.320 just because he's such a I mean, the man can 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.720 get drunk on the sound of his own voice pretty much. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:33.240 I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure you realized that interviewing him. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:37.400 You know, he doesn't go buy cigarettes. He goes to 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.320 a tobacconist. You know, he hadn't seen a lot of movies. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:46.640 He was a sin thephile, and just that's just how 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:52.200 he always was about everything. Well, when I first started 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.279 seeing him around, I just assumed he was gay, not 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.599 that there's anything. I'm very liberal politically, that had nothing 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.920 to do with anything. He just presented himself as very 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:07.960 the other way. Then he started hanging out with Justin 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:12.160 all the time, and I remember being kind of concerned 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.280 from that about that, even from the beginning, because Justin 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.960 was just very, very lost. Justin was like a big 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.680 kid and couldn't really figure out what he was doing 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:28.640 with his life. You know, his parents had means back then. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:34.760 It was weird. It was kind of specifically felt like 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:39.000 this back then, especially down in West part and stuff. 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.760 It was like you couldn't just be a person that 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.600 hung out at a coffee shop. You needed almost like 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:50.920 an origin story and you needed to And byrondeferent Lily 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:57.120 was like a character. You know, he had his I 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.880 don't believe hardly any of it, but he just had 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.920 his origin story about like you know, his mom was 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:09.680 German and his father was gay. Everything with Byron was 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.120 just like over the top, just either to be shocking, 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:18.600 to evoke sympathy, just anything. I think Justin was very 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.120 confused about who he was. It was just it was 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:27.680 a very bad combination because I think Justin just bought 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:32.200 into Byron's persona and everything like hook Line and Sinker, 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:37.240 and I think he was also immature enough and mentally 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.920 ill enough to where he just wanted that in his life. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.520 He was lonely, he was bored, so not only getting 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.439 like a best friend, but like getting a best friend 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:52.600 that was this whatever who had this reputation and was 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.600 either gay or bisexual or this or that. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.480 Let me ask you. So, Byron said, you were fourteen. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.480 You were in in the eighth grade when you guys 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.440 first met, you were fourteen? Were you thirteen or fourteen? 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.640 Now, don't quote me on this, but I swear because 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.920 we met her for this summer, but I'm not exactly positive. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.600 But how I remember how we met, which I thought 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.800 it was hysterical that he was like, oh, I had 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.920 no idea how old she was, and by then I 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:27.080 was into deep YadA YadA. No. The way that I 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:31.920 met Byron was I was already kind of tipsy and 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.720 I had gotten we had gotten dropped off down there 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:40.200 with some booze with a friend of mine's. A friend 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.000 of mine's mom had bought us booze and dropped us 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.080 off down there. There was so much I don't know, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.720 Abs and Tee parents still have to do with all 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.440 this stuff. But and I remember specifically, I would always 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.760 look over and buy room and be like staring at 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.400 me when I was talking to Justin or he was 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.960 just very I could very much tell that he was like, 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.079 you know, his radar was on me. So I jokingly 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.480 went up to him and I said, Hey, do you 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.880 want to get drunk with a bunch of soon to 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.160 be eighth graders And he kind of laughed and then 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:18.000 he's like, well, sure, and so he ended up driving 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.720 us around that night while we drank. He drank too, 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.920 and then he and I started talking and he asked 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.079 for my phone number and stuff like that. So that's 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.319 how we actually met. 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:35.120 So the story that Byron tells, which was that you 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.880 guys were at the coffeehouse and you came over and 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.360 said hi to Justin, and then you guys all went 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.800 over to Justin's later that night to watch a movie 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.160 and then he drove you home. That's not the first 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:48.600 time you ever met. 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:53.320 No, I vividly remember gret as me saying, hey, do 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:57.040 you want to get drunk with a bunch of soon 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:58.160 to be eighth graders? 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.800 What were some of early memories of meeting Anastasia. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:12.040 I had never heard of Anastasia. Byron's version that he 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:16.400 and Anastasia were friends is a bunch of crap. Byron 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.960 said he introduced Justin and Anastasia. No, he did not. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.400 I remember there was one night when we were going 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:28.120 over to Justin's house and Byron saw a framed picture 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.839 of Anastasia in Justin's apartment and it was like her 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:37.320 senior picture. Byron was like why, he was like, I 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.480 know her. He goes, why do you have a picture 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.280 of her in your apartment? He's like, I went to 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.280 Lincoln Preparatory with her. And Justin was like, oh, well 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:51.640 we've been dating blah blah blah, and it was, uh, Byron, 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.840 let Justin know that he was not very impressed with 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.280 her and whatever, and he's like, really, I'm kind of 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.760 surprised by that, blah blah blah. But that's that's about 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.800 as for as far as that conversation went. But like 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:11.440 I said, Byron had such influence over Justin that I 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:16.640 remember being like, oh great, And then later on one 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:20.720 on one Byron would just tell me stuff about how, 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.280 you know, he thought Anastasia was lame. He said that, 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.000 you know, they never really got along in school. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.679 We described Anastasia back then. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.520 Gosh, I don't know, I was trying to think of this. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.680 I knew her fairly well, but I knew her from 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.640 being from double dates and stuff like that, and so 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:42.400 you don't really get to know somebody, you know what 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.439 I mean. I know she was very she was all 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.199 about Justin. I know, she was definitely trying to figure 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.800 out who she was. She was also, I mean, she 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.280 was very intelligent. She was a beautiful girl, you know. 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.160 I mean she had her ups and downs. She I 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.280 did the same thing, some kind of silly poetry I 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.640 did too. I don't know, especially you know in the 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.120 nineties with like Nirvana and all that stuff being popular, 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:13.240 like you were the struggling artist for a minute, even 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.640 if you weren't at all. I don't know. She couldn't 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.440 stand Byron just from going to school with him and 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.400 all of this, and also Byron would kind of be 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.600 little her in front of her new boyfriend that she 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.760 was trying to impress. That was like a big point. 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.520 Byron just had no respect for her and like let 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.600 it be known. And I think that that put her 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.679 in a really bad position. Like I said, Justin was 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:47.120 trying to impress Byron, and Anastasia was trying to impress Justin. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:53.040 She was very sweet, but she also she did have 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.400 something to her where like she would like take no shit, 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.400 but she also was very much I know, bught up 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.160 with Justin and the whole first love. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:11.040 First Kelly says, Anastasia was quite vocal about how sick 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.160 she was getting a Byron. She would complain to Justin 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.200 that he would spend more time on the phone with 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:20.080 Byron than her, and that Justin wouldn't defend her when 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.080 Byron was disrespectful to her. Do you think there was 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.480 anything going on between Justin and Byron? 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.960 I have always thought that Byron was He always joked 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:35.520 about being by because he joked that his name was 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:41.080 like I'm by Run type thing. There's a definite possibility 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.880 because there towards the end, Justin was getting more and 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.600 more mentally unstable. He was showing signs of you know, 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:55.920 early signs of maybe schizophrenia or also they would hole 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.560 up with each other and just do like mescaline and 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:02.840 stuff like for days on it. And I know Justin 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.640 was like kind of slowly losing his mind and Byron 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.200 there was there for every minute of it. When they 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.280 were together. You know, Byron lived for with him, rent free. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.280 When they went out together. Byron never paid for a 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:21.600 damn thing. You know. He was very opportunistic and he. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:29.800 Was briefly described like how Anastasia and Justin's relationship changed. 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.520 I mean it for from they went from being really 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:39.640 close to where Justin would also he would pick spending 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.880 time with Anastasia over spending time with Byron and stuff. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:48.640 Byron did not like that whatsoever. So I don't know 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:54.960 when exactly like the shift shift happened. Definitely part of 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.480 it was when Anastasia got the job down on the Plaza. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.120 She was gone a lot, and then I think that 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.640 that was when Byron kind of weaseled his way back 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.480 into like we'll hang out while she's at work. I'm 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.800 pretty sure she was like working full time. And then 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.440 it just seemed like, like I said, like, uh, Justin 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.560 got so much worse. Byron was all about it. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:23.479 Describe your relationship with Byron, the good times. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.640 Oh god, if they're even were any. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.040 I mean you were Were you in love with him? 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.240 Looking back as an adult at the time, I mean 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:38.640 I probably thought I was, But I also in that 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.920 point in my life I had been severely molested when 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:48.120 I was younger, and so I had just a lot 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:54.480 of sexual trauma in like sixth and seventh grade and whatnot. 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.440 You know, he was probably he was, first of all, 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.400 he was older. He was one of the first people 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:04.239 that had really like expressed an interested in me, like 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.840 I love you. I love you who you are, blah 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:12.960 blah blah, And that was very intoxicating. I went from 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:18.560 being flattered by him to like love slash hating him 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.800 very very quickly, just because of who he was. But 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.640 then I was also afraid to let go of him, because, 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:28.760 like I said, he was one of the first people 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.359 that had expressed interest in me in that way. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.040 What did you think, I'm just curious. What did you 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:41.119 think about Byron's goth ways? Was that cool? Was it 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:42.960 subversive and interesting? 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.919 At first? It was okay because I don't know, he 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.439 just I liked a lot of the same music that 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.840 went along with stuff like that, you know, like Susie 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.679 and the Banshees and Ministry and all that. It was okay, 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:03.080 I mean. And also with his coloring and everything, like 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.840 he looked decent suited him, Like you know, there's some 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:12.680 people that dress up goth and it just doesn't work whatsoever. 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.800 But I remember getting being very annoyed by it. He 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:23.720 took longer to get ready than me. He also like, uh, 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.520 he told me at one point, because you know, when 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.840 I ran away with him that first time, he cut 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.320 my hair and died at black and blah blah blah. 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.800 And there was a few times where he slipped up 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:41.280 and told me that I was his project, project project. Yeah, 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.760 I don't know, like since I was younger than him 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.760 and had had, you know, this traumatic stuff upen or whatever, 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.240 like he was gonna like mold me into like what 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.200 he wanted and stuff. I went from being not goth 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:58.719 at all to then that's how I dressed and uh, 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.960 that had that that was ninety nine point nine percent him. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:08.160 I mean that was just he would he basically kind 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.639 of dressed me and stuff. It was weird. It was 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.400 like I was his little like goth Barbie Doll or something. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.520 Let me ask you, because you brought up the time 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.800 when you ran away, you know that. He says that 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:24.840 you had told him that your dad was an abusive alcoholic. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.000 He says that he felt like he was getting you 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.199 out of a bad situation and then he later learned 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.760 that that was not the truth. Tell me what you 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:36.359 can't about that. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:41.919 Oh yeah, definitely, my dad was an alcoholic, But my 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.359 dad was more of a withdrawn alcoholic, just kind of 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.120 like an absentee dad. My dad had his own problems. 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:53.560 He was a bipolar and just had his own problems 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.359 with like horrible depression, my dad grew up in a 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:02.280 really dysfunctional, scary, alcoholic home and stuff. Yeah, I definitely 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.840 exaggerated that my dad had. I got into a fight 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:12.440 with him coming back from some concert or something he'd 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:17.119 taken me to and we got into a fight about 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:21.879 stuff and he had kind of like shoved me or 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:26.840 something like that. And then so I really just lied 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.640 about it to Byron, just like blew it up out 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.320 of proportion. And I don't even know why, really, you know, 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.159 my dad passed away and then now that is like 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.399 one of like it's such a huge regret for me 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.719 because he wasn't like that at all. I was just 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.919 I was really angry, like I said, with like the 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.119 sexual trauma and stuff. I was just angry. I was 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.479 scared of men. I was just whatever. And I just 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.080 wanted kind of I wanted a reason to feel how 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.719 bad I felt. Of course, I all so, you know, 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:05.680 being that young and immature, you know, I wanted sympathy 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.159 from my older boyfriend. I wanted to And it was 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.640 also the same thing, like I said, people a lot 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.320 of people done at those coffee shops had an origin 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:19.800 story or like lore or whatever, and I just I 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.400 was just a depressed girl from Johnson County. 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.439 They hired a PI right, and they found you at 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:30.200 Justin's and you came back home. Byron tells the story 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:34.320 that after some time your parents relented and allowed you 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:37.480 to keep seeing him. I mean, he tells the story, 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.280 you know in episode six about how your mom would 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:44.680 like let him take your little sister to the mall. 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.000 And you know, oh yeah, I know that was true 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:53.320 because Byron, for all his lies and his lore and 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:57.120 all his stuff that whatever, we just kind and me too, 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.800 I just kind of saw him as this like blah 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:05.320 blah blah, kind of like Pip Squeak that like wouldn't 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.560 come out of the closet. I hate to say that, 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.800 but I got, like I said, like I got to where, 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:16.800 you know, I was pretty perceptive and intuitive despite being 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.920 so much younger than him, and I just kind of, 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.280 like I said, I had a very love hate relationship 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:26.600 with him, and so I just kind of saw him 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.600 for I'd figured out that half the stories that he 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.760 told about himself and his life were fake. You know, 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.159 he was trying to come off as scary, and I 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.639 just thought he was I don't know, nothing to write 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:44.200 home about, really, and uh yeah, so that just wasn't 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:49.520 even my mom. And now I'm not quite so sure 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.959 about my dad, but I know my mom and I 0:22:53.040 --> 0:23:00.840 had conversations about him just being like some you know, harmless, confused, 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:06.120 kind of coffee shop door, you know, because he told 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.520 so many stories of all this different stuff, and then 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:12.119 it was like never and then I'd have conversations with 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.560 his mom that would prove that it was false and 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:18.000 just all kinds of so much stuff about him was 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:21.280 just a bunch of crap. So he wasn't he wasn't 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.840 scary at all, Like he was trying to be scary. 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:27.879 He was trying to be all these things. But it 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.040 was like the more and more I found out, I 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:33.480 was just like, yeah, whatever. But then, of course, much 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:37.400 later than after the murderers, then I realized, oh my god, 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:44.280 this guy will do absolutely anything to you know, prove 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:49.000 his origin story and prove that he's this disturbed blah 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.800 blah blah. I don't that was just such a weird time, 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.720 Like with Marilyn Manson and all that different stuff. It 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:58.000 was like, you were it was cool to be like 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:01.160 the sickest person in the room and he was all 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:01.720 about that. 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:08.640 Kelly just said murders plural. More about this in a bit. 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:14.600 The conversation then shifts to after Anastasia's murder, but before 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.520 Kelly had kind forward, when you and Byron first go 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:21.760 to speak with kil Gore on the twenty fourth. 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:24.840 And then murder was on the twenty second, right, yeah. 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:28.199 The night of the twenty second. She was found the 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:30.199 morning of the twenty third, and then I think you 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:32.600 guys went to go speak with Kilgore and Kellogg that 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:37.480 first time on the twenty fourth as a freshly fifteen, 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.159 like you had just turned fifteen, right, as a fifteen 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:44.600 year old girl, What are you thinking and feeling as 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:48.520 you're like sitting at the Jackson County Sheriff's Department being 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:50.240 interviewed for. 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:55.280 I was completely bewildered by well, of course obviously that 0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:59.240 it had actually happened, and I can get into all 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:03.800 that later, like what happened like the night that everything 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:08.119 took place. But I was like what, Because you know, 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:12.160 I'd seen like NYPD Blue and different shows like that. 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.840 I thought what happened was they grabbed the last people 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:21.479 that had you know, seen the person alive. They grabbed you. 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.879 They separated you and they interrogated the crap out of you. 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:28.840 I was hoping, Oh my god. For years, I was like, 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:33.240 why did that not happen? Because I would have if 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:36.720 I had been separated from Byron and had like you know, 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:39.919 had like a seasoned detective like in my face saying 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:43.920 I don't believe you. There's you know way more than 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.679 you're telling us, and you're not leaving here until you 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.199 tell us. There's no doubt in my mind that I 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:54.439 would have immediately broken down and told them absolutely everything 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:55.560 you were. 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:57.760 I mean, you weren't in the same room with Byron. 0:25:57.800 --> 0:25:59.639 I think you went first and then Byron. But what 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.040 you're saying is like if kil Gore had actually like 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.040 put this screws tears. 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.639 To you then, and that wasn't like how it was 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.560 handled like he didn't even It's not like he called 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:13.639 us and was like, Kelly, I don't care where you 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:15.960