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Speaker 2: What's up? Everyone? Welcome into another episode of Instant Reaction

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Speaker 2: here on the Colts Audio Network. I'm Jjsankovitz, joined every

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Speaker 2: week by Colts Ring of Honor wide receiver Bill Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Bill.

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Speaker 2: Today we are talking about the Colts gutting thirty nine

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Speaker 2: to thirty eight loss to the Cleveland Browns on Sunday

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Speaker 2: at Lucas Oil Stadium. A lot to get into. I

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Speaker 2: think the place you have to start with this game.

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Speaker 2: And I know some people listening you're going to say

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Speaker 2: you need to start with the reps. That's not where

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Speaker 2: we're going to start. It's the four turnovers. Yes, it's

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Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew losing three fumbles and throwing an interception. The

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns get a direct touchdown off of one of

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Speaker 2: those fumbles that came out a Miles Garrett stripsack in

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Speaker 2: the end zone. They get a couple other points off

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Speaker 2: of the other ones. Miles Garrett goes in blocks a

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Speaker 2: field goal, the Browns wind up getting points off of

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Speaker 2: that as well. And in a one point game where

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Speaker 2: your offense played really well, ultimately, you can't turn the

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Speaker 2: ball over four times and expect to win.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't. And one of the things you want

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Speaker 3: to do is hopefully win the turnover battle. And the

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Speaker 3: Colts did not win the turnover battle, and Cleveland won

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Speaker 3: the turnover battle. And on top of that, to me,

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Speaker 3: what separates what Cleveland did and what the Colts did

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Speaker 3: is when the Colts got turnovers, they didn't score off

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Speaker 3: the turnovers. Cleveland, as you mentioned, scored off the turnovers.

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Speaker 3: They got points off the turnovers. And that's what you

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Speaker 3: turnovers by getting points. And Cleveland did that, and you know,

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Speaker 3: they went down and scored points, and to me, that

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Speaker 3: was the biggest difference in the game. They got turnovers,

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Speaker 3: they won a turnover battle, and they got the points

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Speaker 3: off the turnovers. That's the big thing for me right there.

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Speaker 3: The Coats could have got more turnovers of course, and

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Speaker 3: won the turnover a bat and then capitalize off those

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Speaker 3: turnovers and scored some points, and then I think it

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Speaker 3: would have been a different game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Browns scored twenty points off of turnovers in

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Speaker 2: this game. And I mean, you're absolutely right though the

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Speaker 2: Colts did have you know, you have the Julian Blackman

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Speaker 2: interception you I mean two near turnovers or Kenny Moore

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Speaker 2: an interception. Uh, you know, really tough on both of those.

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Speaker 2: Just I mean so close, yes, on both of those.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Shane Stye said after the game, we're

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Speaker 2: three and oh when we win the turnover battle. When

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Speaker 2: we don't, we're owned four. And I think when you

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Speaker 2: when you start thinking about this Colts team and how

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Speaker 2: not a team that. I mean, there are very few

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Speaker 2: battle exactly. And those are the teams build that like

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Speaker 2: they have the like aliens at quarterback who can just

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Speaker 2: erase mistakes. You know, yes, the Colts don't have that.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, Most teams don't have that. Most teams need

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Speaker 3: Exactly, especially what he did on that as you said,

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Speaker 3: blocking that field goal, I mean for him to jump

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Speaker 3: And you know, when you have big time players. As

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Speaker 2: So this game was kind of flipped on its head

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Speaker 2: in the sense Bill that the Browns came into this

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Speaker 2: entered the game, excuse me, with four turnovers this season.

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Speaker 3: I mean, coming into the game, people thought, oh man,

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Speaker 3: give them credit. They are a good defense. But that

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Speaker 3: You know what, this is such a good defense. These

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Speaker 3: but they can't turn the ball over. You can move

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Speaker 3: But when you turn the ball over, it makes it

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Speaker 3: They turned the ball over, but give them credit. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's no moral victories. But if you want to look

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Speaker 3: at the glass half full, there was some good plays.

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Speaker 3: The Colts made, some big plays. The Colts made the

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Speaker 3: So those are some nice things you can hang a

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Speaker 3: didn't win the game because you turned the ball over.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about some of those good things, though, Bill,

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Speaker 2: because I thought I thought this game was a really

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Speaker 2: you know, it used motion a little bit as kind

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Speaker 2: Things learn tomorrow when I do get the numbers. It

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Speaker 2: felt like two thirds of the plays there is pre

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Speaker 2: and you know you draw safety down with that motion

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Speaker 3: Well, like you said, JJ, when you have that kind

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, Bill, the one team the Colts had used

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Speaker 2: So that that's kind of something that Shane Steichen now

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Speaker 2: And so just for reference, the Colts against the Titans,

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Speaker 2: they ran motion on forty seven out of sixty six plays.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that they made some nice players out there,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the young man's working hard, and you know he's

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Speaker 2: I also love how you said that, Bill, he's a

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Speaker 3: Like, No, he's exactly exactly. He's running routes, he's getting open,

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Speaker 2: want to put them in that situation late in the

433
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Speaker 2: game where an officiating decision can have a have an

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Speaker 2: out impact on the outcome.

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Speaker 1: Of the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you talk about athletes playing games, most athletes

437
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Speaker 3: want to have a control, have the control of what

438
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Speaker 3: happens in the game. And you know, the only way

439
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 3: you do that is to make sure you do your

440
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 3: assignments out there in a football field and hopefully don't

441
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Speaker 3: put yourself in a situation where you come down to

442
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Speaker 3: the end of the game and it could come down

443
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Speaker 3: to a referee making a call that you might not

444
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Speaker 3: agree with and that changing the outcome of the game.

445
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Speaker 3: So you need to put yourself in a position so

446
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Speaker 3: that the referees don't make those calls and determine the

447
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 3: outcome of the game. So, you know what, you just

448
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: can't put it in their hands. You have to take

449
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Speaker 3: control of that, and you take control of that by

450
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: making sure, you don't put yourself in that situation. You

451
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: don't turn the ball over. You score points when you

452
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Speaker 3: get turnovers. You do the things that you need to do.

453
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Speaker 3: You don't get penalties and at times where they're going

454
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Speaker 3: to hurt you, and you know they got penalties at

455
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Speaker 3: times when they hurt the colts. If you want to

456
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Speaker 3: question that, people are going to question that. As you said, JJ,

457
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Speaker 3: I'm sure if people listen to this are probably questioning

458
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Speaker 3: the calls that the referees made. But you can't leave

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Speaker 3: it to the referees. You have to take of youse

460
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Speaker 3: and go out there and make plays. And now hopefully

461
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: the guys will learn from this, the young guys will

462
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Speaker 3: learn from this that, hey, you know what, we have

463
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Speaker 3: an opportunity to put a team away. We have to

464
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Speaker 3: put them away and win these football games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it, it's hard in a game where

466
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Speaker 2: there were what there were seventy two plays on defense

467
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Speaker 2: sixty seven plays on offense to really say yeah, you know,

468
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Speaker 2: came down to that. Obviously, game get games get close

469
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Speaker 2: at the end, and you know you want to get

470
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Speaker 2: you know, you want to like guys play whatever it

471
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Speaker 2: may be. But look, I mean there were plays out

472
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Speaker 2: there on every single phase that had they been made,

473
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Speaker 2: that this might be a different outcome and it might

474
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Speaker 2: not come down to that. I guess feel like when

475
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Speaker 2: you think about now, what like Daryl Baker Junior is

476
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Speaker 2: going to go through where he gets it. He starts

477
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Speaker 2: the season as a starting cornerback on this defense. After

478
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Speaker 2: two weeks, you know, tough game in Houston, he's inactive,

479
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: jujub r gets into the starting lineup. Then Juju comes,

480
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: you know, Dallas Flowers gets hurt against the Rams. Then

481
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Speaker 2: Juju has an injured quad. Today against the Browns, Daryld

482
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Speaker 2: Baker has to step in and now this is on

483
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Speaker 2: his his permanent record, so to speak, Like what do

484
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Speaker 2: you what do you say to a teammate after a

485
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: game like this where you know, obviously he's you know,

486
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: probably beating himself up and you know, is feeling like

487
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: he might have cost his team the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're a competitor like that and you know

489
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Speaker 3: you care about your teammates, you know you feel and

490
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: you're going to feel that, you know what, you let

491
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Speaker 3: your teammates down, you let the team down, and you

492
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Speaker 3: know that the guys are going to rally around him.

493
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Speaker 3: And that's what they need to do. Rally around him.

494
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Speaker 3: You know, he's part of the team, he's part of

495
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Speaker 3: the family, and you got to lift him up, you know,

496
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Speaker 3: support him and be there for him and encourage him

497
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Speaker 3: to say, hey, look, you know what, there are gonna

498
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Speaker 3: be times you might have to go back in there again.

499
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Speaker 3: You might have to play, and you're gonna make the plays.

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Speaker 3: We have confidence and you're that you're going to make

501
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Speaker 3: the play, and you have to stay you have to

502
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Speaker 3: stay confident as an individual that you can make those

503
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Speaker 3: plays because we believe in you. So the guys are

504
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Speaker 3: going to rally around him, pick him up, lift him up,

505
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 3: to make sure that he has the confidence going forward

506
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: that you know, he can make the plays, and for

507
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Speaker 3: him not to get down and beat himself up too much.

508
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Speaker 2: I thought the Colts defense, you know, really for the

509
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: vast majority of this game played really well. And Deshaun

510
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 2: Watson exits the game. You know, we looked like he

511
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: got banged up on the the near Kenny Moore interception

512
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: where Dio Dango kind of landed on Aimy cleared concussion

513
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: protocol Kevin Stefanski held him out of the game, is

514
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Speaker 2: what it seemed like happened. PJ. Walker steps in. The

515
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 2: Browns don't really move the ball, you know, until that

516
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Speaker 2: last drive. If you look at from the first drive

517
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: of the game through the last drive, there were thirteen

518
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Speaker 2: possessions in between that the Browns average three point five

519
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: yards per play. On those possessions, they ran forty eight plays.

520
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 2: They gained one hundred and sixty six yards. They got points,

521
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: but those are mostly on short feet. Every time the

522
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: Browns started with the ball in their own territory, they

523
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: only managed two long field goals. So for the most part,

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Speaker 2: I thought the defense played well. I thought it was impressive,

525
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: how you know, especially after that Jerome Ford run, how

526
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: this defense kind of pulled together against the run and

527
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: without Grover Stewart and there played really well for the

528
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: most part of this game. You know that you obviously

529
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: never want to give up an explosive run. You can't

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00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: just gloss over that. I did think though, there were

531
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Speaker 2: some encouraging things that this defense was able to do

532
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: in this game up until then that last drive, which was,

533
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: you know, not what this defense wanted to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I thought the defense did some good

535
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 3: things out there. You know, you have you have nine

536
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 3: tackle for losses in this game, you have eight quarterback hits,

537
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: you have two sacks. So they did some good things

538
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: out there in the football field, putting pressure on the quarterback,

539
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: doing a good job against the run after that first

540
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 3: long run the first drive of Cleveland that they had

541
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Speaker 3: and they got that long run, so I thought they

542
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 3: did some nice things and you know, put some pressure

543
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: on you know, Cooper didn't didn't have a real big game.

544
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 3: He didn't get really targeted until later on in the game.

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00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: So they did a good job against him. And you

546
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 3: know what, they didn't really allow too many big plays

547
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: outside of the run. And I think there was the

548
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: play on that last drive, maybe about thirty yard pass.

549
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: I think that they hit over in the hole there

550
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: with Elijah more So, I thought the defense did some

551
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: good things out there, and they played hard. And the

552
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: defense of the Coats has played hard every game and

553
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: they've played physical every game. They've done a nice job.

554
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Speaker 3: I mean the play EJ. Speed made was just for

555
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: him to come up there like like that with all

556
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: that force and PJ. Walker Noah, it was it was

557
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: a nice play by Speed. So we'll give our defensive

558
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: credit and they're not going to give up. They played

559
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: the whole game and they're going to keep on fighting

560
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: and fighting and fighting. And so it's a lot about

561
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Speaker 3: the defenses. I stayed it before in previous weeks. No,

562
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: they give up that long run, but they didn't give up.

563
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: They knew they had to play the rest of the game,

564
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Speaker 3: and they did a decent job of, you know, holding

565
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Speaker 3: down Cleveland. You know, they got some short fields as

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Speaker 3: you stayed at JJ. But give a defense credit for

567
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: playing hard and give him the coach a chance to

568
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Speaker 3: win a football game.

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Speaker 2: Here's a fun fact. Bill Kendy wore the second had

570
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Speaker 2: three more tackles for a loss today. He now is

571
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Speaker 2: a season high for his career in tackles for a

572
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Speaker 2: loss with seven after seven games. Wow, he is. He

573
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Speaker 2: is also on pace to set a career high in

574
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Speaker 2: tackles after he had tend today, He is on pace

575
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Speaker 2: for one hundred and twelve tackles. That would also be

576
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Speaker 2: a career high. He's he's playing some really good football

577
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: this year. He almost comes down to that pick, which

578
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: would have been his second of the season. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of folks around Indianapolis and inside

580
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: the the Indiana Farm Bureau Football Center saw the season

581
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Speaker 2: coming from Kenny after a disappointing twenty twenty two season,

582
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Speaker 2: and man, is he is having a year. He also

583
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: had one and a half sacks today. Yeah, more sacks

584
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Speaker 2: than he's had in the season since twenty twenty in

585
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Speaker 2: one game. So we're looking at Kenny putting up some

586
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: pretty special numbers this season at this rate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think we saw this coming into training camp

588
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: because he kind of had like a new bounce or

589
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: a different bounce or some bounce in his step coming

590
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Speaker 3: into training camp, and he felt probably a little more

591
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: comfortable in this defense. Another year in the defense, so

592
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: he probably felt a little bit more comfortable. And you've

593
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: seen that every week. He's been playing very fast and

594
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: playing very confident, playing very physical out there on the

595
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: football field. So he's doing nice things and he's playing

596
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 3: well out there. And I like his aggressiveness out there

597
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: in the football field, and he's playing like he's not

598
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: thinking out there. He's just reacting to everything. And it's

599
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: good to see him play that way on the football field.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, that is going to do it for

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Speaker 2: us here on the Colts Audio Network this week. We're

602
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Speaker 2: gonna have a plenty of things, breaking down the Colts

603
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Speaker 2: and the Browns and then looking ahead to Colts and

604
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Speaker 2: Saints in week eight. Next Sunday at Lucas Oil Stadium

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Speaker 2: Colts Round Table Live hosted by Matt Taylor. He will

606
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: be joined by head coach Shane Steichen, Rick Van Turrey

607
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: and Joe Writes. That'll be out Monday night here on

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Speaker 2: the Colts Audio Network. On Tuesday, another episode of the

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Speaker 2: official Colts podcast is Back Myself. Jeffrey Gorban, Larra Overton

610
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Speaker 2: will be looking at some things from week seven and

611
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Speaker 2: looking ahead to week eight. Inside Football with Rick vent

612
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Speaker 2: Turrey On Wednesday. Matt Taylor will host that along with

613
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Speaker 2: coach Rick Van Turrey with blueprints for the Colts to

614
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: beat the Saints in week eight. On Thursday, Bill You'll

615
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Speaker 2: be joined by Casey Valier and Matt Taylor looking ahead

616
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Speaker 2: to Colts and Saints in week eight and then Bill

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Speaker 2: You and I will be back next Sunday night after

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Speaker 2: Colts and Saints at Lucas Oil Stadium, looking forward to

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Speaker 2: that episode hopefully looking forward to the Colts going on

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Speaker 2: a bit of a break from playing at home a

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Speaker 2: week from today with a win to go, send us

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Speaker 2: to Carolina and then off to Germany. Anyways, for Bill Brooks,

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Speaker 2: I'm JJ Stankowitz. Thank you so much for listening to

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Speaker 2: this episode of Instant Reaction here on the Cults to

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1: So long,