1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: my name is Noah. 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: super producer, Paul Mission Control Decant. Most importantly, you are here, 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 3: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: to know. It is time for you to join the show. 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: Fellow conspiracy realists. We love it when anyone writes in, 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: when you call in, when you use your wija board, 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: when you get in contact with us, the Void hears you, 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: and sometimes I'm figured of a particular email here Void 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: writes back. So today we are going to explore some 16 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: big questions I think everybody's been continually wrestling with about 17 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: the nature of reality. We're gonna have a couple of 18 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: check ins about gremlins. We're going to talk about horse 19 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: racing that's been on people's minds after the conclusion of 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: the Kentucky Derby recently, which I didn't know. It's like 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 3: a year long thing. There's just one really popular race 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: and then you know we're gonna we're gonna have to 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: talk about toothpaste. But before we do any of that, Noel, 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: we got a big question email with a helpful comment 25 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: about gremlins. 26 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I got two. 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 5: I'm gonna just do this first one about gremlins because 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 5: it is a correction, indeed, and it is one specifically 29 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 5: referring to a goof that I made, and I was 30 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 5: gonna go right into it, and then I'll make my 31 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 5: mia kopa after that. 32 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: It comes from John. Let's leave it at that. 33 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 5: Hello, gentlemen, I'm listening to airplanes be haunted. And Noel 34 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 5: said that Bugs Bunny dealing with a gremlin in a 35 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 5: fighter plane was a parody of the Twilight Zone episode 36 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 5: with William Shatner is terrorized by a gremlin on the wing. 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 5: This would mean that Bugs used a time machine, because 38 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 5: Falling Hair came out in nineteen forty three and Nightmare 39 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 5: at twenty thousand Feet first aired twenty years later. 40 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 4: In nineteen sixty three. 41 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 5: If anything, Shatner was channeling his Inner Tune tribute to Bugs. 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 4: Not really, but it's a fun thought. 43 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 5: Here's the Bugs original, which is a rare one, and 44 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 5: that Bugs is not the one dishing out the punishment, 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 5: but rather the one receiving the punishment. I hadn't watched 46 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 5: this in decades, and it's amazing how I instantly was 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 5: brought back to watching Looney Tunes after school and remembering 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 5: every gag in the tune with joy. 49 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 4: And then he also. 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 5: Provides a clip of the Shatner performance and just for fun, 51 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 5: a Saturday Night Live parody of the Twilight Zone episode. 52 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 5: That episode has become so in the zeitgeist that I 53 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 5: think we've seen it parodied any number of ways, And 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 5: thank you, John, you are absolutely correct. I think in 55 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 5: my mind, Looney Tunes just feel so modern, Like you 56 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 5: go back and watch some of those cartoons and the animation, 57 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 5: just like the subject matter, the humor, it just feels 58 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 5: like something that could have been put out today. On 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 5: the other hand, I feel like the Twilight Zone can 60 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 5: sometimes feel a little dated. So in my head I 61 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 5: just kind of did the old switcheroo or I felt 62 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 5: that the Looney Tunes had to have been more recent 63 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 5: than the Twilight Zone. But if you pointed out absolutely correctly, 64 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 5: that is not the case. 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 6: Think about that, Noel, It's the tunes are in color, right, 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 6: and when we experienced them growing up, especially eighties kids, 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 6: it does feel more modern than the black and white 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 6: film that you see in the Twilight Zone episodes. 69 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 5: Not to mention, like I said that, the subject matter 70 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 5: and just the insanity and the breakneck you know, just 71 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 5: chaos that you see in those Loney Tunes cartoons. You 72 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 5: just have to remind yourself that so much much ground 73 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 5: has broken an animation, you know before, stuff that they 74 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 5: couldn't possibly have accomplished, you know, in in live action, 75 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 5: and the Linitunes cartoon is specifically referring to the kind 76 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 5: of urban legend of the Gremlin as a creature that 77 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 5: would mess with bomber planes, you know, during World War 78 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 5: Two and maybe even World How far back bend does 79 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 5: the Gremlins legend go, Probably largely World War Two, but 80 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 5: maybe even before that. 81 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: Do you mean the specific the ones that planes in 82 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: World Wars? Yeah, yeah, it h it dates back a 83 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: little bit beforehand. 84 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 4: It kind of. 85 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: So the folks in World War Two who were attributing 86 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 3: responsibility to a Grimlin are from the English Air Force 87 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: and their mechanics, and what they're doing is putting this 88 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: new technology which is always going to be prone to malfunction. 89 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: They're they're putting the problems with that technology through the 90 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: cultural lens because they were We have to remember, these 91 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: folks were adults at this time. They have been growing 92 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: up in this sort of milieu of very rich, very 93 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: dense folklore, and probably it's probably one of those things 94 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: that started as a joke. But as you know, as 95 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: everybody probably knows, athletes and soldiers and pilots are intensely 96 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: superstitious as a demographic. So if you are confronted with 97 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: death on a daily basis, then you start to look 98 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: for answers beyond the realm of modern science. So ipous 99 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: its started as a joke taken seriously when lives were 100 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: on the line. Yeah. 101 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 5: And then, of course, the most maybe more relevant modern 102 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 5: touchdowne of Gremlins are the Gremlins films, specifically the first 103 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 5: Gremlins movie, where the Gremlins do mess with electronics, they 104 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 5: cause chaos, you know, and like lighting infrastructure and you know, 105 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 5: mess up blenders and household appliances and things. But that 106 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 5: whole aspect of them being a specifically kind of military 107 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 5: problem is really not mentioned at all. So it's just 108 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 5: another example of how even film is a way of 109 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 5: escalating folklore and kind of these sorts of superstitions and 110 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 5: sort of reframing them around a modern lens. And then 111 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 5: obviously Gremlins two the New Batch is one of the 112 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 5: most bonkers meta films, you know, sequels of the nineteen nineties. 113 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: Shout out to Key and Peel's sketch about the origin 114 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 3: of Gremlins two. 115 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 5: One of my favorite things ever is to watch that 116 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 5: sketch with people. 117 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 4: And then make them watch the movie if they haven't 118 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: seen Have you seen Gremlins two? 119 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 6: Matt, Oh, yeah, but it's been quite a while. 120 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 4: Did you see the sketch? 121 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 7: Right? 122 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: I think so. 123 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 5: It's like a focus group meeting basically like or kind 124 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 5: not a focus group meeting, but sort of like a 125 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 5: pitch meeting for setting up ideas for Gremlins two. 126 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 4: And then Jordan. 127 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 5: Peel plays this script doctor, this Hollywood script doctor who 128 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 5: comes in and basically lets everybody the table will pitch 129 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 5: their own gremlin, and it runs the gamut from like 130 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 5: sexy lady gremlin to vegetable gremlin to google eyed gremlin. 131 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 5: And at the end of each person's pitch, he goes, 132 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 5: that's going in the movie. And then the guy run 133 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 5: on the meeting is like, that's not going in the movie, 134 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 5: and then at the end it said, all of that 135 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 5: is in the movie and it's true. 136 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: So there you go. 137 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 6: I just keep thinking about the SNL sketch that you mentioned, 138 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 6: because it's got Bobby moynihan in there as the gremlin 139 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 6: guy on the plane and it is absolutely hilarious, fantastic. 140 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't he just kind of goofing around like he's 141 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 5: not scary at all. He's just kind of like like 142 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 5: googly eye through the window kind of I've got to 143 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 5: put that. 144 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 6: He's out there smoking a cigarette on the on the 145 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 6: wing and he's a grilling dud. 146 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: It's so fun watching it now. 147 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 5: And he's just mean mugging the whole time, and then 148 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 5: occasionally I'll strike a pose. That's what I was picturing, 149 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 5: is these kind of goofy poses that he's doing. 150 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 3: I want to give a shout out to with one 151 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: of my favorite current writers in the inner m in 152 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: industry today, Jordan Peel who said, and this is apropos 153 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 3: to your point, Matt who said, the difference between comedy 154 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: and horror is the music. And I think that's tremendously insightful. 155 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 5: You know what's funny, Ben that makes me think of 156 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 5: there are some really good kind of super cuts on 157 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 5: the internet. Like, for example, you know, there's a scene 158 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 5: I'm not a huge fan of the Harry Potter movies, 159 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 5: but Ray finds what's the main battye Voldemort where he's 160 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 5: sort of just like vibing and kind of like, you know, 161 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 5: looking evil and sort of like holding his hands over 162 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: his face and what would be a creepy malevolent scene. 163 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 5: But if you replace the music with like, uh, I 164 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 5: know much, I know, I'm just as much. That's all 165 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you. It looks like he's just vibing 166 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 5: in the rain and just like looking like really sultry 167 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 5: and sexy. But if you replace it with sinister music, 168 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 5: it's like he's conjuring evil, you know, spells or whatever. 169 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: That's a really good point then, And y'all, I know 170 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 4: I teased one about. 171 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 5: AI stuff, but honestly, this email here generated more conversation 172 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 5: than I expected. So I think I'm going to keep 173 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 5: this AI hallucination one in my back pocket for next week. 174 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 5: So in the meantime, let's take a quick break and 175 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 5: then we'll be back with some more listener mail. 176 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 6: And we've returned and we're jumping to the phone lines. 177 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 6: Before we jump to this particular message, I want to 178 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 6: give a shout out to a couple people. Jedi Knight, 179 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 6: you did not put our number in your contact list, 180 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 6: so I had to leave a message. Neither did you, Ancrid. 181 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 6: Neither did you Champion of the Sun, which is the 182 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 6: best name we've had in a while, or Shine Brightly, 183 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 6: But you definitely put the number in so if you 184 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 6: get a call back, you will know it is us. Okay, 185 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 6: we're going to jump to a message from a good 186 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 6: old pal of ours, brock Nest Monster. 187 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:06,359 Speaker 7: Here we go, Hey, conspiracy podcast hosts, it's called Conspiracy Realists. 188 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 7: You could probably tell by the awkward introduction or greeting 189 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 7: there that this is the Brocknest Monster. It just occurred 190 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 7: to me. Here's some stuff they don't want us to know, 191 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 7: and that is when horses get hurt in a horse 192 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 7: race or really anywhere, they basically just kill them. Yeah. 193 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 7: You know a lot of people think that they take 194 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 7: them back to the barn and the vet gets in 195 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 7: there and hooks them up with splints or whatever, and 196 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 7: they try to rehabit no, they just can execute the 197 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 7: horse right there and then send it off to a 198 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 7: glue factory aka rendering plant. This recent catastrophe at the 199 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 7: Derby or like eight horses died or something, I don't know. Yeah, 200 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 7: it's ridiculous and it's cruel and humane. Like the stuff 201 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 7: they do these horses. They ride them so hard they 202 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 7: their lungs bleeds. It's sickening. I don't watch horse racing. 203 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 7: I don't attend horse races, I don't bet on horse racing, 204 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 7: and I don't watch it on TV. I think it's 205 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 7: cruel and brutal. I think the more people would know that, 206 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 7: they wouldn't be so into this horrible cruel practice. It's 207 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 7: not quite as bad as a bullfight, but you know, 208 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 7: not by much. They just pick the sword in the 209 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 7: animal and the inside the barn. Anyway, you guys have 210 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 7: been doing a great job lately, awesome shows. Keep it 211 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 7: up and I'll cart you whant to talk to you. Bye. 212 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 6: Well, there you go, guys. Message from Brockness. I know 213 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 6: we've seen the news right about what went down at 214 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 6: Churchill Downs. I think that was last week as we're recording. 215 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 6: What's your initial take on the on the message absolutely correct. 216 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: I mean brakness always comes with it always comes with 217 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 3: the facts as can be assembled. And Matt, you had 218 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: collected multiple sources, not just regarding Churchill downs, but regarding 219 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: horse racing. This would apply to dog racing in general. 220 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 3: I know that there are unfortunately, as any veterinarian can 221 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: assure us, there are compelling reasons that make euthanasia necessary 222 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: when a horse breaks a leg because the leg is 223 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 3: usually shattered, making surgery impossible. And of course, if you've 224 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: been around horses, you know they're they're standing dudes, they 225 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: stand in their sleep. They need those they need those legs. 226 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,239 Speaker 3: But to brox point, putting those animals in a situation 227 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: that massively increases their likelihood of an injury that willness 228 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: hesitate youth in Asia, that's the rub of it, right, Like, 229 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: why would you put those animals in that situation? And 230 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: I think that they answer the self evident answer, obviously 231 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 3: is the enormous amounts of money that are made in 232 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: the horse racing industry dressage as well as well. That's 233 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 3: really weird No one talks about that. 234 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 5: That seems a little less brutal though, right, I mean 235 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 5: that was where they're stepping around. They're not like beating, 236 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 5: you know, grinding them with these brutal races. Not to 237 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 5: say that still not weird, but that's more like a 238 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 5: dog show than it is like a you know, a 239 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 5: brutal race to the death. 240 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 2: Hence a dog and pony show. Guys. 241 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 6: Hey, so let's talk a little bit about what occurred 242 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 6: at Churchill Downs, one of the most famous race tracks 243 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 6: on the planet. Every time there's a big event there, 244 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 6: it's I mean there's a lot of hullabaloo about it 245 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 6: on the social media, especially if you're somebody who goes 246 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 6: to horse races, or maybe you're somebody who just visits 247 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 6: one time, because it is a fascinating piece of American history. 248 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 6: Racetracks have been around for a long time. A lot 249 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 6: of people go to them. A lot of money is 250 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 6: made on the back end there with the betting that. 251 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 2: Brock talked about. 252 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 6: So what occurred at Churchill Downs, Well, from April twenty 253 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 6: seventh until early in June, twelve horses died at the racetrack. 254 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 6: As Brock said, not because of an injury that occurred 255 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 6: at the racetrack. They weren't taken treated and then had 256 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 6: to be put down. No, they were put down right 257 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 6: there at the racetrack, twelve of them. So Churchill Downs. 258 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 6: They ended up early in June suspended racing at the 259 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 6: track until July third because of this quote. Unusually high 260 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 6: number of horse deaths at Churchill Downs. It's pretty awful. 261 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 6: You can read all about this. It's made the news everywhere, 262 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 6: just about the specifics of the horses, what went down 263 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 6: with each of the horse verses. There were different factors 264 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 6: with every single one of them, right, So it doesn't 265 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 6: seem as though it was anything done by the people 266 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 6: at the track necessarily. It's just maybe the nature of 267 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 6: the thing, as Brock said, which leads us to the 268 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 6: next source there, Ben that you had mentioned earlier. There 269 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 6: are a couple of places you can go to online 270 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 6: if you want to learn about horse racing deaths. Two 271 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 6: of the best ones that I found are horse deeathwatch 272 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 6: dot com. This is a site that lists out the date, 273 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 6: the name of the horse, the course on which the 274 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 6: horse was injured or had to be put down, and 275 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 6: the cause of death, which is very important. So it 276 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 6: has things like here's one of the latest entries. A 277 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 6: horse named sweet Run died on the thirtieth of May 278 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 6: twenty twenty three at Lingfield Flat and the cause of 279 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 6: death listed is finished race lame on hind leg destroyed 280 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 6: as is that? 281 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I first heard that term. 282 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 5: There's an episode of The Sopranos or it's sort of 283 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 5: a group of episodes where Tony buys a race horse 284 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 5: and named Pie oh my, And it was the first 285 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 5: time I believe I heard the term the animal had 286 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 5: to be destroyed. 287 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: Down. 288 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, really disturbing stuff. I'll give you the other place 289 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 6: you can go to just if you want to. It's 290 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 6: called horse Racing Wrongs dot Org and it has a 291 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 6: killed in Action section that it has a list of 292 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 6: nine hundred something horses. You just scroll all the way down. 293 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 6: It's got a list of nine hundred and one dead 294 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 6: race horses at various tracks. And then if you keep 295 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 6: going down, it shows you all of the different tracks 296 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 6: in different states within the US and how many horses 297 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 6: have died or been killed at that racetrack. But then 298 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 6: that that one also has a whole well, it's a group. 299 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 6: I believe it's a nonprofit organization, Horse Racing Wrongs, that 300 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 6: you can actually take action with that group if you 301 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 6: want to. 302 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 3: I wonder how this would evolve, Matt if the owners 303 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: and the jockeys had to be put down when the 304 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 3: horses were put down, do you think that would triggers 305 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: otter treatment of the horses. Probably a little little more 306 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: equity for everybody. 307 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, a racehorse is an investment. Because you're 308 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 6: not talking We've spoken about this on the show before. 309 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 6: You're not talking about you know, a car purchase. Car 310 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 6: purchase is nothing compared to a racehorse purchase because. 311 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: You can't sell your car, semen, if. 312 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 6: Only right, I mean, my Camra would be such a 313 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 6: source of income. 314 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 2: My god. 315 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 5: I used to cover the Gusta futurity for public radio 316 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 5: and I worked in that field, and I went to 317 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 5: a horse seaman auction and it is the world's business, right, 318 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 5: it's my god, Yeah, it's wild. 319 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: Let's go. 320 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: I'm only I'm only mostly joking about that, but like 321 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: not in full disclosure. You know, I I love learning. 322 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: I'm always very honest when I'm seeing something. For the 323 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: first time. I was not aware of horse deathwatch dot 324 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: com until you hipped me to it, so thank you. 325 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 3: This also is I mean, clearly right, it's a it's 326 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: a money play. The money is just too good. For 327 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: these things to be prevented. And I'm sure there's a 328 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 3: baked in intergenerational kind of legacy thing of wearing a 329 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: fancy hat, drinking a jewlip at the derby and so on. 330 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: But why does this persist? 331 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:50,959 Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know. Again, it's because you're pushing. 332 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 6: As we talked about, you're pushing these horses as hard 333 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 6: as you possibly can. 334 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: That's the whole point of it. 335 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 6: This is the Olympics of a horse really fast around 336 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 6: a track, right. And it's also this isn't the first 337 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 6: time there have been mass casualties like this. In this 338 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 6: article from Fox News that we've got here, title is 339 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 6: Churchill downs to suspend racing after twelve horse deaths at 340 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 6: racetrack at the very end of the article. This is 341 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 6: posted in early June. By the way, they say more 342 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 6: than thirty horses died in twenty nineteen at the Santa 343 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 6: Anita Racetrack in California. The track closed down racing when 344 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 6: the toll reached twenty one, and it revamped its safety protocols. 345 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 6: Since then, horse fatalities have decreased by fifty five percent 346 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 6: in the state of California, which again when there's some 347 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,719 Speaker 6: mass casualty incident like this, I think there is a 348 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 6: push right by an individual, track by an organization to 349 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 6: try and make some changes to fix the problem. But again, 350 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 6: I think ultimately the problem is with the practice in 351 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 6: general of having humans getting atop a horse, just the 352 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 6: act of kick the horse in the sides to get 353 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 6: it to go faster, specifically if you're using something like 354 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 6: a spur to really get that horse moving, because it's 355 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 6: not me. 356 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's just all of that. 357 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 6: It's just I don't know, man, it feels like something 358 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 6: we're moving away from. 359 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 3: Yeah. Have you have you guys ridden horses before? 360 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 5: Which experience I mean, like you know that summer camp 361 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 5: I guess when I was a kid, but not in 362 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 5: any real way. 363 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 3: It's it's heartbreaking because horses, well, first off, horses played 364 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: such a huge role in the creation of modern civilization. 365 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: When you think about the Eurasian step and so on. 366 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 3: I know that's like a deep cut, but that's a 367 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: huge reason that Jengis Khan has so many partial descendants, right, 368 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 3: It's entirely due to humanity's relationship with the horse and 369 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 3: inventions like stirrups. If you've been around horses. You know, 370 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: they love to run. Let those ponies run. But maybe, Matt, 371 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 3: to your point, like, maybe it's the just the constant 372 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: pushing of them. It's like redlining a car. Right, what's 373 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 3: the most impressive, what's the big win that every horse 374 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 3: racer wants? Triple crown? 375 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 4: Set it? 376 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's like asking a single organism to do 377 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: life changing, potentially fatal feats of physical fitness not once, 378 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 3: but three times. 379 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, and once your leg breaks on that third track, 380 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 6: you just get you're dead. And I mean it really 381 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 6: has to do with the pressure I think that's placed 382 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 6: on the animals because they are valued again more than 383 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 6: most homes, way more than most homes. 384 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 7: Right. 385 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 6: If you think, my god, millions of dollars for an 386 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 6: animal's life because it can potentially make you millions and 387 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 6: millions and millions of dollars, that's I think where the 388 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 6: major problem is. You're gonna push that animal as hard 389 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 6: as you can to make a return on that insane 390 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 6: investment that you've made. 391 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Rock, you mentioned this, Matt, you mentioned this. What 392 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 3: happens to the horses when they are no longer useful 393 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 3: to that industry? They're often slaughtered for meat, which I 394 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 3: know is verboten here in the US, but is fairly 395 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 3: common in parts of Asia and Europe. Full disclosure, I 396 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 3: have eaten horse meat. And then the glue factory thing 397 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: is something we hear a lot. I just don't know 398 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 3: what it be. It feels like if this moved away 399 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: to some sort of virtual event, or if people were 400 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 3: racing cyborg horses, or if we built you know what, 401 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 3: maybe the most fair thing is to genetically modify organisms, right, 402 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 3: make that super Olympics. So we talked about with Dan 403 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 3: Harmon or use synthetic morphology to make centaurs, right, centaurs 404 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 3: that have a human brain and can communicate things that 405 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to first 406 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 3: to say this is a little far out. This the 407 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: Kentucky Derby is probably gonna happen next year with regular horses, right. 408 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, but centaur me up, Like, let's go. 409 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 4: Centar me up? Maybe alpha centauri? 410 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 6: Yeah dude, not have to get a different desk, but 411 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 6: you know, we'll figure it out. 412 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: So you would be the centaur. Yeah, okay, if you 413 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: are one of those billionaires who likes the idea of 414 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: the Antebellum myth that America sells itself. Then, how do 415 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: you feel about replacing your stable with centaurs? Are you 416 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: okay with that? You're saving money, right, You're you're reducing 417 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 3: the cost of the upkeep of the jockeys. Huh. So 418 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 3: would you have centaurs by themselves or would you have 419 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: centaurs with a fully human jockey also on them I'm. 420 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 2: Clue, that's interesting. I've never seen that. 421 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 3: I've never seen it either. I think of mythology, the 422 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 3: main thing is like a centaur is its own package, right, Yeah, 423 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: A centaur is like an uber. It'll give you a ride, 424 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: but it's in charge. 425 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. 426 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 6: But I love the idea of a just a smaller 427 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 6: person on the back of this huge centaur, like telling 428 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 6: you where to go. I think that's a good video 429 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 6: game character. Let's get that out there, everybody. 430 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 4: That's a thing that happens in freaking God of War. 431 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 5: There are some of these giant monsters that you sort 432 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 5: of beat into submission and then you jump on them 433 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 5: and steer them. Basically, it's a new mechanic in the 434 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 5: latest God of War game. 435 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 6: But I think I think there's something special to it. 436 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 6: Ben when you're talking about like a saddled centaur. 437 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, somebody right, that's. 438 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 6: Not going out of my head? All right, congratulations everybody, Broc. 439 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 6: I hope that's where you imagine this conversation would go. 440 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 6: I guess we're gonna take a quick break and we'll 441 00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 6: be right back with more messages from you. 442 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: And we have returned with a bit of a mixtape 443 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: of messages, a cavalcade of Coldgate esque conversation. Earlier, we 444 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: looked at a strange story that stood out for all 445 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 3: of us on predictably named Strange News about a weird 446 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: tooth based heist. Now you know that we are all 447 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 3: fans of good old fashioned heist and grifts here, and 448 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 3: what of our primary questions? The one we could not 449 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: answer to our own satisfaction in that Strange News segment 450 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 3: was why why would you steal two thousand something dollars 451 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 3: worth of toothpaste? Of sensidine toothpaste? And you know what 452 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: it reminded me of off air. I went back and 453 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 3: watched the massively underrated sketch show The State of Late MTV. 454 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's on Paramount Plus right, because they have 455 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 5: all the old MTV material on there. 456 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 3: Oh is it. 457 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 458 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 3: Yes, So our conversation about why someone would steal a 459 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: relatively small amount heust wise of toothpaste reminded me one 460 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: hundred percent of Barry Levaughn in the sketch where they 461 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: get so excited about two hundred and forty dollars worth 462 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: of pudding and they never explain it. They just want 463 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: you to know. You guys remember that sketch. 464 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: I do. 465 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 6: We talked about it on Era before the so much 466 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 6: what's the phrase? 467 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: Uh? The phrase is two hundred and forty dollars worth 468 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 3: of pudding. Yeah, we had the two hundred and forty dollars. 469 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 3: We had to have the pudd it right like this. Okay, 470 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: So this was as inexplicable, this toothpaste heist, and we 471 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: asked for your help, fellow conspiracy realist. We had so 472 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 3: much correspondence on this that we can't get to everyone, 473 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 3: but we want to give a shout out to the 474 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: following people, Natasha, Elias dark Sky, Paul, Alexandra Concentric, Hadash, 475 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 3: Alex w Dead zero seven, and one source that wishes 476 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 3: to remain anonymous. So here are some of the guesses 477 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 3: we had, Alex says listening at work today. Here in 478 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 3: the UK love the show, subsequently sharing all the weird 479 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: news and theories I pick up along the way. A 480 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 3: quick thought came to me listening to the toothpaste theft Conundrum, 481 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 3: which is now going to be the official title for that. 482 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 3: He said, perhaps the toothpaste tubes are useful in smuggling. 483 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: Could drugs or illicit substances be inserted into the tubes 484 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: to be transported elsewhere? Or is there an ingredient in 485 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 3: toothpaste that you can use to make other substances. I 486 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 3: have no specific data to back this up other than 487 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 3: a recent episode of Chicago PD where hairdressers were robed 488 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 3: for bob making ingredients. That's where I get all my 489 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: best criminal info. Keep up the good work, best wishes. 490 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 3: Let's pause on that one. What do you guys think? 491 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: I think that's pretty innovative. 492 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 5: Actually, when we were talking about it initially, it did 493 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 5: occur to me that I had seen some spy show 494 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 5: or movie where they were using maybe it was a 495 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 5: James Bond thing where it was like C four type 496 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 5: material put in a toothpaste tube that could then be 497 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 5: like you know, like squeezed out and then a detonator 498 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 5: attached to it you know something I don't remember what 499 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 5: it was, but I also it makes me think of 500 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 5: the old expression you can't put the toothpaste back in 501 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 5: the tube? 502 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, famous design flaw of tooth Actually, yeah. 503 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: I bet you could figure it out. 504 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: You can, you can do it. It's just inconvenient, you 505 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's like, why would we have 506 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: this jockey on this centaur? 507 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 4: Why wouldn't we is more my quest? 508 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: Right, Why isn't toothpaste served? You know, like little glass 509 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: jars like olives or capers served. Don't eat toothpaste. So 510 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: there's something here that's interesting, Because Alex, you got us 511 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: thinking and counterpoint to using the two tubes themselves as 512 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 3: smuggling devices. Why did the person not take the cheapest 513 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: toothpaste on the shelf. If you just need the tube, 514 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: then you're not gonna You're not gonna go for sensidine, right, 515 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: which is a fairly specific, slightly higher end form of dentificue. 516 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 3: But if that word be dentiferous, I don't know this. 517 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 3: It's the it's the word for toothpaste cleaning thing with it. 518 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: It's your word of the day. 519 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 3: It's so unnecessary. But yes, it's like calling your home 520 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 3: a domicile exactly. 521 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 4: Now, I completely get it. 522 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: If you want to be high faluting, next time TSA 523 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: gives you trouble, just loudly say, am I being detained 524 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: for nothing more than dentificus? 525 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 4: And but that man for my penis, that's. 526 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: Exactly what I'm thinking about. Shout out to that amazing 527 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: Australian with all the best of intention. Man, we wish 528 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: you well, but you're awesome when you get arrested, and 529 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 3: you might need to get more arrested, arrested more often, 530 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 3: just for the clout, you know, for the people. 531 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 5: What's the crime I've committed enjoying a succulent Chinese meal? 532 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 3: This is democracy? So okay, there's another There's another idea 533 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 3: though that alex is onto, which is the idea of 534 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: perhaps creating a drug. And that's something several other people 535 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: speculated on. Now at this point, none of us listening 536 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: at home or recording the show have nailed down what 537 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: that kind of substance would be. Usually, and this is 538 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 3: not bragging. We're just two in the bubble here or 539 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: the rabbit hole. Usually, if there's something like that being made, 540 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 3: we would know. We're prop for a lot of regular listeners. 541 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 3: We're probably the way you learned about stuff like toilet 542 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 3: wine and jencom you know what I mean, and crocodile saleh. 543 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 6: I just want to say, I wouldn't know, Okay, so 544 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 6: Matt would have no None of us have any idea 545 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 6: how to make drugs recreational drugs from toothbased. 546 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 5: It always reminds me of that scene in Fight Club 547 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 5: where Tyler Durden's talking about you can make ny palm 548 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 5: out of frozen orange juice concentrate. You know, it's like 549 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 5: back to anarchist cookbook style bomb making or recipes. 550 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, tune into our upcoming episode should any books be banned? 551 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 3: It doesn't, It doesn't go the way you think. But 552 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: there's so there's another thing we got that goes into 553 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: the financial motivation, and we got it. This was the 554 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 3: most common thing that we that we heard about this. 555 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 3: So we'll go to dead zero O seven, who says, 556 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: if I had to guess, stolen toiletries can turn a 557 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 3: profit at flea markets, swap meets, or even auctions. I've 558 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: seen many booths in my area of North Carolina where 559 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 3: ever thing from shampoo to over the counter medicines are 560 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 3: sold at fairly cheap prices. Stolen goods are one hundred 561 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: percent profit. Just a hunch. 562 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 4: It's not a bad one. 563 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 3: It feels a little more direct, right than the idea 564 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 3: of manufacturing designer toothpaste drugs. Not to say we're not interested. 565 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: Let us know, you know, send us your recipe anonymously. 566 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 3: So let's go to our anonymous source who goes pretty 567 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: in depth here and has some has some things that 568 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 3: I think are worth discussing. We'll journey through this together 569 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 3: and we'll pause along the way. Our anonymous source says, 570 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 3: I happen to listen to today's show and you ask 571 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 3: why people steal toothpaste, and Anonymous says, I know exactly 572 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: why people steal toothpaste. Yeah, we're putting some We're putting 573 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: some some English, some gravitas on that with intonation. But okay, 574 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 3: Anonymous says this, This is my area of expertise. I 575 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: have many titles, but one of them is a grocery broker. 576 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: Have you guys ever heard of. 577 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 4: This now all my life? 578 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, this was new beans to me too, says I 579 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 3: specifically purchase groceries from wholesalers and sell it on Amazon, 580 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 3: Walmart and other third party marketplaces. I've been doing this 581 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: for about a decade now, So what does that have 582 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 3: to do with stealing toothpaste? Great question, Also, Anonymous, we 583 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 3: like the way you write. Anonymous says, the reason the 584 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 3: people steal items like toothpaste, razor blades, baby formula, batteries, 585 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 3: and pads on mass is because they sell very very 586 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 3: well on Amazon. And this goes hand in hand with 587 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 3: the drug problem in this country. Yeah, right across this country, 588 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 3: and I am uncertain. In Canada, there are crime rings 589 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 3: that traffic in both stolen goods and heroin and meth. 590 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 3: And this reminds me of something we're One time we 591 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 3: were all in New York and I was going into 592 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: a convenience store and this guy asked, or like a 593 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 3: where they have up there, Dwayne Reid. Yeah, yeah, okay, 594 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 3: it's like a drug store kind of thing. And this 595 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 3: guy wanted me to not give him money, but to 596 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 3: buy cereal breakfast cereal and give him a box of that. 597 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 3: And he's begging people to buy him that. So I 598 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 3: think maybe maybe this ties into what Anonymous is saying. 599 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 3: He says this practice is more well known with baby formula, 600 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 3: but other high ticket items are involved. Think about it. 601 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 3: An item that's perfect to steal. You want something that 602 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: is small, valuable, uncerrealized meaning no serial number, not breakfast, cereal, 603 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 3: and lightweight. And so Anonymous says, I'm looking right now 604 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 3: at a three pack of Sensidine toothpaste on Amazon. It's 605 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 3: selling for nineteen dollars and fifty nine cents. Amazon will 606 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 3: pay twelve dollars and thirty eight cents of that to 607 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 3: the seller. That's for ten ounce container of toothpaste. Doesn't 608 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: seem like a lot. But if you steal a thousand 609 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 3: tubes of toothpaste, that's three hundred or so dollars for 610 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 3: one day's quick work. What do you guys think? Do 611 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: you think? 612 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm with you in terms of the target 613 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 5: the targeted nature of these types of items. 614 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 4: I think I mentioned on the episode where we talked about. 615 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 5: This story that in Hawaii, spam is an incredibly popular 616 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 5: item for theft, and they actually lock it up in 617 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 5: glass cabins. 618 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 4: So you have to I've seen it. 619 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 5: You have to have somebody, an employee, come and unlock 620 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 5: the spam case for. 621 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 3: You, just like razor blades. In some drug stores they 622 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 3: have that plastic container. You have to get someone to 623 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 3: come over. Oh, and condoms as well. 624 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 6: Well, well, Ben, I get the I get that you 625 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 6: could make profit on it, right, You're not a crazy 626 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 6: amount of profit, but I guess a reliable profit if 627 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 6: you flipped it to Amazon after stealing it. Where do 628 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 6: you How does drugs work into that? 629 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 3: What a setup? 630 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 4: Yes? Perfect? 631 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 3: So okay, So let's say you're you're living further on 632 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 3: the other side of the law, Anonymous says. Anonymous has 633 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 3: a nice segue into this, says, Look, it might seem weird, 634 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 3: but it is not illegal to have a car full 635 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 3: of toothpaste if you encounter the cops, there's nothing wrong 636 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 3: with that. It would be super suspicious if you had 637 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 3: a car load of sudafed in some jurisdictions, especially if 638 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 3: they're struggling with to combat certain drug. 639 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 6: Rings, because you can use the suda fed to make drugs, 640 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 6: I guess, or as an active ingredient. 641 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I mean those are the kinds of things 642 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 5: where you actually sometimes even have to show your ID 643 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 5: to purchase them in the first place, so that it 644 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 5: goes in a register of like a fedrin. 645 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 3: Right then, even with an ID in some places, you 646 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 3: can't you don't run into any kind of retail establishment 647 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 3: and be kind of jittery and say I'll buy all 648 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 3: your a federate. Not a good look. Not a good look. 649 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 3: So this Anonymous so says, I'm living in central Pennsylvania. 650 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 3: I'm aware of mass shoplifting rings in my area and 651 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: more toward New Jersey. And this is where Anonymous is 652 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 3: getting to your excellent question, Matt. The shoplifting rings. Apparently 653 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 3: the way they work, they pay twenty five cents on 654 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 3: the dollar of face value items so long as you 655 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 3: accept your payment for those items in heroin or meth. 656 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 3: So you have addicts that are motivated to steal for 657 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 3: their addictions. This toothpaste in question, says Anonymous, is about 658 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 3: seven dollars to two but Walmart, so it costs twenty 659 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 3: one dollars to make a three pack. Selling on Amazon, 660 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 3: someone's getting paid about five dollars worth of heroin and 661 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: to a large dealer. If we practice an economy of scale, 662 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 3: which all successful drug dealers do, that's about two dollars 663 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 3: and fifty cents worth of heroin wholesale, and then they 664 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: flip it on Amazon. Wow, the margins are insane. 665 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 5: So Amazon has no method in place for ensuring that 666 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 5: you're not selling stolen goods. 667 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 4: Maybe that's a naive question. 668 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 3: I don't know. 669 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 5: I think they need to cover their butts in that 670 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 5: respect so they're not like party to illegal trafficking of 671 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 5: stolen goods. 672 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 3: That's a good question. No, let's text Jeff, let's see 673 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 3: what's up. 674 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, why are why are what are those 675 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 6: gift cards? Why are those so prominent in almost every 676 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 6: major retail. 677 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 4: Store because of the amity And. 678 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 6: Well, we know, we know that's how you know, money 679 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 6: gets laundered and trafficked and all that stuff, and we 680 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 6: know that's how transactions occur. But it's still like one 681 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 6: of the main things that you'll see right before you 682 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 6: check out anywhere. 683 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Yeah, and and the branding of those 684 00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 3: things is also just intellectually fraudulent whatever. So Anonymous breaks 685 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 3: it down, says, turning two dollars and fifty cents into 686 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 3: twelve dollars is a fifty percent margin of profit. Wall 687 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 3: Street would absolutely crap their pants if they were offered 688 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 3: fifty percent pure profit in any other endeavor. This just 689 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 3: happens to be street level drifting, right with a nice 690 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 3: back door to it. This doesn't happen in legit business, 691 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 3: says Anonymous. But you have built in your own money 692 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 3: laundry to your earlier point. You're taking dirty, dirty money 693 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 3: from the skag or the meth. You're turning it into 694 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 3: corporate money because Amazon pays. 695 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:37,399 Speaker 4: It to you. 696 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 3: And then, and this is the most important part. Okay, 697 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 3: don't become a drug kingpin or whatever. But if you 698 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 3: listen to hip hop and you want to know who's 699 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 3: just talking trash about selling drugs and who really was 700 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 3: or is in the game. Almost always was in the game, 701 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,919 Speaker 3: not is. You'll hear them rap about how to look 702 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 3: legit when irs time comes. I'm telling you that's how 703 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 3: you know the folks rapping really did it or their 704 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 3: ghostwriters did. 705 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 7: So. 706 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 3: If you have turned around your heroin your fence and 707 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 3: al your meth or what have you into a legit 708 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 3: stream of money from Amazon, you can pay your taxes 709 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 3: on it and people won't know the government forces won't 710 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 3: know any different. And then Anonymous says, you can even 711 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 3: fake some corporate entities. You can start invoicing yourself for 712 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,479 Speaker 3: this stolen merchandise. And now you're deducting another cost. Anonymous says, 713 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 3: this is a huge problem in large cities. More than 714 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 3: a few people have been busted for it. There have 715 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 3: been several cases of people doing this with Lego sets 716 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,879 Speaker 3: now lagos like Spam and Hawaii or under Lock and Key. 717 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 3: And we'll end there because I know we're getting we're 718 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 3: getting to time here. But Anonymous points out, as a 719 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 3: grocery broker, they've been approached on numerous occasions to participate 720 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 3: in stuff like this, and they walked away from it 721 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 3: every time. So Anonymous writing here is not on the 722 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 3: side of this process. They're just familiar with it and 723 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,760 Speaker 3: sharing it with our fellow conspiracy realist. Is that happening? 724 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 3: I mean, Atlanta is a large city. If that's a 725 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 3: real thing, then it's happening here too, huh. 726 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 5: I mean legos are still on the shelves at Target 727 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 5: last I checked, you know, not under Lock and Key, 728 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 5: but in places like Barnes and Noble, they will have 729 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 5: those bespoke Lego sets behind the counter. I have definitely noticed. 730 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 2: That I've got my eye on one of those. 731 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 3: Which one, Which one you go for? 732 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 6: I don't want to spoil it. Well, he's not gonna 733 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 6: hear this from now, but my son's getting a giant 734 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 6: Bowser Lego set from the new movie for his birthday. 735 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 6: That's that's like we've had conversations about saving money to 736 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,879 Speaker 6: get this thing because it's so dang expensive. 737 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 3: Oh man, that's so cool, dude. That is so beautiful. 738 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 5: We've been building all the flower Lego sets. I think 739 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 5: I'm I mentioned that already, but we were working our 740 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 5: way through pretty much all of them, and they're a delight. 741 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I don't want to. I don't want to 742 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 3: go through my real life Tetris situation. We haven't talked 743 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 3: too much about it on air, but I found some 744 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 3: nifty nifty things as well. I will show you guys 745 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 3: one thing as we end. I found an old cash 746 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 3: of my uh my North Korean stuff, so like this 747 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 3: is barbed wire from the DMZ. What. 748 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, you had a really great tweet about moving Ben. 749 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 5: How it makes you kind of your own personal archaeologist or. 750 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 3: Some archaeology narcis. 751 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 4: Is very good. 752 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 3: That's very kind. Even more kind, thank you to everybody 753 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 3: who takes the time to write into stuff they don't 754 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 3: want you to know. We want to give a big 755 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 3: shout out to Brocknest, to John, to the UH, to 756 00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 3: our toothpaste, think tank. Yeah, breaking down a very strange 757 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 3: but quite plausible kind of drug trade and grift. We 758 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 3: can't wait to hear from you. We can't wait to 759 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 3: hear your thoughts. Everybody, stay safe. There's a lot of 760 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 3: news coming out here in the US and the world abroad. 761 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,760 Speaker 3: We're going to be here with you for it until 762 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 3: until we get black packed. 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