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Speaker 1: a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly, Episode number two

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Speaker 1: from Indianapolis as always, joined by the Voice of the

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Speaker 1: Chargers Matt Muney Smith and Money another gym of a

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Speaker 1: pot ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, there's all our friends are here and they're

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Speaker 2: kind enough to sit with us as they make the rounds.

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Speaker 2: They got a lot of requests, they can't honor them all.

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Speaker 2: And today three of our favorites, CD Charles Davis, just

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Speaker 2: one of the you know Tennessee cornerback when he was playing,

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Speaker 2: and of course part of you know the premiere one

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Speaker 2: of the premiere productions on CBS when it comes to

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Speaker 2: college YEP games. He called the Charger Houston Texan playoff

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Speaker 2: game and does a great shot for NFL Network covering

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Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl in the draft. So he's going to

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Speaker 2: join us, our old friend Matt Harmon, who's met reception perception.

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Speaker 2: So today's cool because you know, ce deal give us

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Speaker 2: the overview. And then Matt Harmon, who has has been

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Speaker 2: charting wide receivers for a decade now, is going to

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Speaker 2: just dig into the wide receiver free agency class. Some

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Speaker 2: of the options there the draft and what might be

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Speaker 2: come down to the combine is Lance Airline. And Lance

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Speaker 2: is the guy that writes every single bio for the

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Speaker 2: NFL Network. And so when you're when I worked for

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Speaker 2: the NFL Network, I had seven hundred names and a

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Speaker 2: They would give me three binders, massive binders. And he

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Speaker 2: was all from Lance, all from Lance. He wrote every

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Speaker 2: single bio, graded every player, every comp But his dad

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Speaker 2: is you know, his dad is well known as one

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Speaker 2: of the great o line coaches in the history of

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Speaker 1: He gave us some great names. Matt Harmon obviously with

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Speaker 1: wide receiver room this offseason. So we'll get to Matt,

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Speaker 1: off with Charles Davis. All right, Maddy, one of our favorites.

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Speaker 1: Charles Davis joins us here on Charges Weekly, and Charles,

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Speaker 1: we saw you in Houston Yeah, I'm just talking about

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Speaker 1: just the quick turnaround with the NFL. It never stops.

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Speaker 1: Saw your round and you are in. You go from

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Speaker 1: NFL mode to draft mode very very quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we all do right. If you're in

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Speaker 3: the NFL, you're making these transitions all the time, you know.

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Speaker 3: And after draft mode, we'll be into OTA Mini camp mode,

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Speaker 3: we'll be intestipating in training camp, and then we're in

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Speaker 3: the preseason, and then we're into the sea. It just

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Speaker 3: keeps going. I am old enough to remember when the

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Speaker 3: pat when the newspaper would arrive, the headline at a

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Speaker 3: I remember one year it said pictures and Catchers Report.

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Speaker 2: Na it right?

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Speaker 4: Headlines that's how we've changed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to Houston. Let's talk about that. You

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Speaker 2: it's an old football cleahere, right, your weaknesses get exposed

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Speaker 3: Would think so. I mean it's a very smart organization,

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Speaker 3: He Jim and the rest of the organization went to

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Speaker 3: Everybody likes a good tight end. Oh yeah, right, everybody.

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Speaker 3: gonna do it the pivot, you know, because offensive line

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Speaker 3: you've really strengthened your your offensive line. Because I think

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Speaker 3: And we probably missed the lesson that Sean Payton gave

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Speaker 1: Charles, I think they've taken kind of a two step

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Speaker 3: The priorities are going to be who are the guys

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Speaker 3: If not, we'll go elsewhere with luck. Yeah, right, and

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Speaker 4: I really would. I don't think that's how they operate.

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Speaker 2: Those that are watching a lot of people listening right

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Speaker 3: My son turned me onto it. He said this because

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Speaker 2: It's a pain. It's been a pain for a while.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think moving forward? You know, the

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Speaker 3: And and I don't mean to be overly dramatic, it's

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Speaker 3: the actual full evidence, the idea that the Chargers lost

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right about that.

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Speaker 3: We didn't matter, but they laid it on them anyway

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't expect them to be that way in next season,

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna blow us away running.

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Speaker 4: So it's a whole different ballgame.

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Speaker 2: Last thing for you, CD, we appreciate it. You were

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Speaker 2: You know, it used to be crazy to think that

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Speaker 2: It's difference that it made the difference that it makes.

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Speaker 3: I've got Drew Kendall from Boston College down. I'm old

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Speaker 4: The Senior Bowl, big out of Boston College.

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Speaker 3: I played in the Japan Bowl with his dad, and

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Speaker 1: Get right.

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Speaker 4: We were in we were in.

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Speaker 4: We're in Tokyo. And I'll just leave it.

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Speaker 3: This way, those old bowl games that we grew up watching,

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Speaker 4: Bo Jackson played in the Japan Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Pretty great. Think about that, Yeah, it's pretty great.

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Speaker 1: Not in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Could you imagine if he said, you know, I think

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, absolutely not. You don't even get on the

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Speaker 1: I'm not even risking it, not even a tourist.

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Speaker 3: But in that Japan Bowl I played in Brett Fulwan

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Speaker 2: Look at that fantastic Charles Davis.

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Speaker 1: Get for an hour, man, We can't take it for

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Speaker 1: your time to your next destination. Appreciate you, s gread

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Speaker 1: to see you. Guys. Always the best, the best man.

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Speaker 1: This week is so fun. So many friends joining us

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Speaker 1: on Chargers Weekly. Matt Harmon in person in Indianapolis, first combine.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just still struck. Friend. I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: that's high bar.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate colleague, not contemporary.

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Speaker 5: Workplace proximity is a former work worker. Absolutely, it's awesome

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Speaker 5: to be here. It's great. Peanut butter denial, Yeah, peanut

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Speaker 5: butter denial. Many many or chain out. We're chain in today.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday was chain out. We'll see tonight though, chanin's probably

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Speaker 2: It's coming out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Listen, you don't throw around weight on inclined bench and

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Speaker 2: keep your chaining. You know, Matt's remade his body. He's

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Speaker 5: That was what I was doing, like an hour ago.

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Speaker 1: Know, just full at the podium. Today we are we

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Speaker 5: I think I probably should get up there and see

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Speaker 2: That's that guy dissects wide receivers. Now you're gonna have

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Speaker 5: the comments. Most of it was like, does neighbors need

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Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm a big bodied white dude that lives

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Speaker 2: So let's tell the people about reception per se. Nobody's

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Speaker 2: He does reception perception. He's done it for a long time,

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Speaker 5: the first year on that play, he whips background so

439
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,880
Speaker 5: fast and throws that like slot fade to Lad McConkie,

440
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,960
Speaker 5: who wins it in tight coverage and then rips off

441
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 5: like a yards after catch play which man coverage winning

442
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 5: at the catch point yards after catch. That's a pretty

443
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,120
Speaker 5: good wide receiver right there.

444
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 1: What do you think he will look like in year

445
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 1: two with someone on the other side of him that

446
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 1: is perceived as a one A or a a number two?

447
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 1: Like how do you view Lad? Is he a sure

448
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,680
Speaker 1: fire number one? Or do you think that they need

449
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,919
Speaker 1: I guess they just need a different type of receiver

450
00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 1: on the other side of.

451
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 5: It, Yeah, they do. I think they're need is pretty

452
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 5: obvious for like an X receiver, because I think Lad

453
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,479
Speaker 5: can win inside out his in terms of yards per

454
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 5: route run. He's actually better on the outside than he

455
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 5: is on the inside. And I mean he's damn good

456
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 5: working that slot. So that's that's a pretty incredible thing.

457
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 5: For giving him someone that can kind of like move

458
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 5: him from that flanker slot position is pretty crucial to

459
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 5: me because I do think he's capable of being a

460
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 5: number one receiver, Like, do you want to throw him

461
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 5: the ball one hundred and sixty one hundred and fifty

462
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 5: times in a year? Probably not, for a variety of reasons,

463
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 5: but I think he's a guy capable of being your

464
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 5: first read in the vast majority of your concepts. But

465
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,879
Speaker 5: having someone that can not just clear out space from

466
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 5: the X receiver position, but can win in that spot

467
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:40,880
Speaker 5: as well, that just makes the.

468
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 2: Offense more dangerous overall. So it seems like this year

469
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 2: you talked about it last year is good for business.

470
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: This year's a bit of a struggle. I think it

471
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 2: might have been. Was it Kuiper's draft mock draft that

472
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 2: had t ma max sliding all the way to twenty two?

473
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 2: Can you envision, like what's your grade on on McMillan

474
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 2: versus like where he would have fit in last year,

475
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: And whether or not you think in a league that

476
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 2: is desperate for wide receivers and they get paid a

477
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: ton of money, so it's a premium position, whether or

478
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 2: not it's realistic that that guy's there at twenty two.

479
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 5: Right. That's the thing for me because DJ had him

480
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,719
Speaker 5: slipping Dan Jerem I had him slipping to the bucks

481
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 5: as well, right, And then to me, I struggle kind

482
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 5: of seeing that happen, especially if he goes out, because

483
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 5: he's gonna work out right, like he's gonna run the forty.

484
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 5: If he goes out and rips like a four or

485
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 5: five two or something like that, I think then he's

486
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 5: locked himself into probably the top fifteen picks. I don't

487
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 5: care about his forty time, like that doesn't really matter

488
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 5: to me, but that does set the narrative of who

489
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 5: you are as a draft prospect when I watch him,

490
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 5: and I'm still like working my way through the film

491
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 5: on these guys for reception perception, it's always an eight

492
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 5: game sample if those are available, I'm like about halfway

493
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 5: through that right now. To me, he's kind of charting

494
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,239
Speaker 5: out as more of like a tier two prospect. So

495
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 5: that would have put him last year in the conversation

496
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 5: with like Brian Thomas Junior in that range, which again

497
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 5: he was made.

498
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: It to twenty right, whatever it was at twenty six or.

499
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 5: I just think in this class though, he's the Travis

500
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 5: Hunter kind of discussed aside. I think he's the best

501
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 5: just receiver. And to me, like you said, it's such

502
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 5: a premium position. The money is crazy there, and there's

503
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 5: so many teams that need, like we just talked about

504
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 5: the Chargers need an X. I can go down the

505
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 5: list and tell you, like a lot of teams need

506
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 5: that skill set. And I just struggled to see him

507
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 5: slipping that far. But shoot, if you made it to LA,

508
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 5: that is exactly the guy we are talking That's like

509
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 5: the best version, the best outcome of what we're talking

510
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 5: about from that position.

511
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: And that's what we're trying to identify. Is okay, if

512
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: it's not in the draft, you know, there's rumors about

513
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 1: guys like DK Metcalf and Adams and you know, Tyreek Hill,

514
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: all these different players. You know, we've talked about Chris Olavin,

515
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: Garret Wilson. Who knows what's gonna happen with the cap

516
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: situations in New York and New Orleans. If you had

517
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 1: to scour the league in terms of guys who could

518
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: be available via trade or just straight up free agents,

519
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: who do you think makes the most sense for the Chargers.

520
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 5: That Adams one, I mean makes a ton of sense

521
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 5: to me. You know, he wants to play on the

522
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 5: West Coast. Don't blame him. I'm a guy that moved

523
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 5: away from the West Coast a stupid decision poorly. If

524
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 5: I'm him, I love the idea of getting back there

525
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 5: for sure. And again, he's somebody that can play the

526
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 5: ex receiver position. Now you also he moved around a

527
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 5: little bit with the Jets last year, but he can

528
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 5: play at that spot. Be kind of the backside ISO guy.

529
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 5: Allow you to move Lad McConkie into a bunch of

530
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 5: different positions, maybe work him off like full speed motion concepts.

531
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 5: There's there's a lot you can do there having that

532
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 5: guy who's also a credible threat. I mean, once he

533
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 5: hit the field for the Jets, it allowed Garrett Wilson

534
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 5: to really do a lot of this like move around

535
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 5: stuff we're talking about. So I think he would be

536
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 5: a great fit, you know, if he's available, if it fits,

537
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 5: they have a lot of cap space to do it.

538
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 5: I'm just curious like where the Chargers view themselves as

539
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 5: like how close are they how much do they want

540
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 5: to push the chips into I think they feel and

541
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 5: I think they should feel that way. You know, they

542
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 5: have the quarterback, they have the head coach. You've got

543
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 5: a lot of these like pieces that outkicked their coverage

544
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 5: last year, maybe outkicked expectations. Can we get an interior

545
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 5: offensive line locked in here? Can we get one more

546
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 5: pass catching threat, because that just and you know you

547
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 5: got needs on the defensive side too, You got things

548
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 5: to check off there. But offensively, I do feel like

549
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 5: they're right there, and a piece like Adams would be

550
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 5: an ideal, you know, kind of archetype for that. If

551
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 5: we get beyond that. I mean, there's just not a

552
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 5: lot of guys in this free agent market that fit

553
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 5: into that like potential X receiver bucket.

554
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Alave thing has always been interesting, and obviously

555
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: there's that Southern California connection as well, and that for

556
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: whatever reason, it just feels like there's always some sort

557
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: of issue with the Saints and their pass catchers. Yea,

558
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 2: if for whatever reason they decide to make him a

559
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: vail and I know the concussions are kind of scary

560
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: they're doing that thing, but I mean, he's he is

561
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: also a perfect fit right for kind of the way

562
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: he plays. He would fit in right there, wouldn't he?

563
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 5: I think so, And I think he is a guy

564
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 5: who has a lot of untapped potential right from a

565
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 5: production standpoint, for sure. It just felt like him and

566
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 5: Derek Carr were never quite like a good fit for

567
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 5: each other, and like sometimes you can be a you know,

568
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 5: we could haggle about where Derek Carr ranks in terms

569
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 5: of NFL quarterbacks, but he's a starting quarterback in the league,

570
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 5: and Olave is a guy that should be kind of

571
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 5: on that upper trajectory. But some guys just don't see

572
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 5: the game the same way. Their styles don't fit in together.

573
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 5: I don't think that would be an issue in this offense,

574
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 5: where again you're getting so much play action, you're getting

575
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 5: shot plays like that really fits into a Lave skill set,

576
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 5: because when I've charted him out his first two seasons especially,

577
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 5: I mean, awesome separator, another guy that just gets open,

578
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 5: and that really is what you felt lacking. I've never seen,

579
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 5: I mean, I've never seen a freaking playoff box score

580
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 5: like the one that the Chargers had where it's just

581
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 5: Adam McConkie has one hundred and ninety seven yards and

582
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 5: the next highest is what like eighteen or something like that,

583
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 5: or was anybody even in double digits. It was absurd.

584
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 5: I've never seen a wide receiver split like that because

585
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 5: the other guys just can't consistently separate. If you can

586
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 5: get somebody like yeah, it's the idea of a big

587
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 5: ball winning X receiver, that's one thing. But if you

588
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 5: have two guys who are uncoverable, it's a pretty good start.

589
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: Joshua Palmer understricted free agent. You know a lot of

590
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: conversation about Quintin Johnson in his second year more of

591
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: a mixed bag, but he had some good games. How

592
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: do you view Quinton coming into twenty twenty five.

593
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 5: I think you can. You can get away with him

594
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 5: being your third receiver. The problem is, like he's a

595
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 5: volatile player. I think that's always going to be the case.

596
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 5: I don't think he's useless. I think there are This

597
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 5: is just what happens to guys who have drops in

598
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 5: big moments. They immediately start getting like its spirals, like

599
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 5: you start taking away everything that they do bring to

600
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 5: the game. And I do think there are things that

601
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 5: he does really well. I think he needs roll catering.

602
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 5: We've talked about this a lot we took about it previously.

603
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 5: He can't just be an X receiver. That's not his game.

604
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 5: The ball tracking is an issue. Winning against press coverage

605
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 5: consistently is an issue. But he's a run after catch streat.

606
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 5: I think he works on these, like inbreaking routes, and

607
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 5: I would say from literally the first game I remember

608
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 5: watching the Chargers this past season, it's like, Wow, this

609
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 5: coaching staff has such a better understanding of what this

610
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 5: guy is than the previous group that drafted him. Ironically enough,

611
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 5: because there was like a couple of plays where even

612
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 5: in that first game, again he's off. Then he's still

613
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 5: primarily line up at X in that game, but he's

614
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 5: off the line of scrimmage, and we're just working him

615
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 5: on quick in breaking routes and letting him go after

616
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 5: the catchdowns. Like I could probably like group the amount

617
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 5: of times he did that as a rookie. On one hand,

618
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 5: you know, so that is something that he can do.

619
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 5: But I think he's somebody that you just don't want

620
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 5: to be throwing the ball to eight, nine, ten times. Again.

621
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 5: You sprinkle him in like three. I think that's that's perfect.

622
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 5: Then you can get something out of a player like that.

623
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: I don't know how much you mentioned you're kind of

624
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: trying to go through eight games for reception perception. How

625
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: deep have you gotten into the draft class this year?

626
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 5: I've gotten about like six seven guys in.

627
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: What do you think of Matthew Golden.

628
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 5: I think he's interesting. He's kind of the hardest player

629
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 5: for me to get my mind around right now because

630
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 5: I think the three four games I've had are a

631
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 5: little bit of a mixed bag there. It kind of

632
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 5: gives me like Jordan Addison vibes a little bit right.

633
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 5: He's not a full field, consistent separator, but he has

634
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 5: real big flashes, but there are moments where he wins

635
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 5: like big time catches too, and especially late in the

636
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 5: season for Texas. So I think he's a guy that

637
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's a future number one or

638
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: something like that, but definitely someone you can you can

639
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 5: kind of have in the rotation. And again, he's the

640
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 5: one I'm probably still trying to get my mind around

641
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 5: the most in terms of players who are projected in

642
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 5: the first round. Other guys I think I have got

643
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 5: like a pretty good grasp one and sometimes that's the

644
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 5: way it is. I can't remember I was talking to

645
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 5: you yesterday, because you know, some people push back like, oh,

646
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 5: eight games, like that's not the that's not the full season.

647
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 5: Like you can talk to like scouts stuff like that,

648
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 5: they're finaling reports on like free games, you know. But

649
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: and sometimes after one two games, like I get this player,

650
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 5: but that's standard, just the standard, and we still do

651
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 5: eight games, but sometimes even three four, and I'm like,

652
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 5: I don't quite I don't quite know where we are

653
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 5: with this guy yet. And that's kind of where I'm

654
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 5: at with.

655
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: Golden Keenan, Allen, Mike Williams. Last year, the big debate was, Okay,

656
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep Joey and Khalil versus those guys. They're

657
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: both unrestricted free agents right now. Mike was obviously coming

658
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: off a big injury, Keenan had some injury issues. What

659
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: did you see from those guys this past year, because

660
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: you know they're also unrestricted free agents who have history

661
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: with Justin Herbert.

662
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, And Keenan said, like, I'm only playing in La Chicago.

663
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine in the Sand or Virginia.

664
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll see. I mean, everybody everybody says they're only

665
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 5: doing something until the checks start coming in. And there's

666
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: also two teams in LA and you know, I think

667
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 5: he actually would make some sense for the Rams if

668
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 5: he's a kind of low cost edition. Although I was

669
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 5: talking with our another one of our former workplace proximity

670
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 5: associates and I mean my business partner slash friend, James

671
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 5: co yesterday that if he was to replace Cooper Cup

672
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 5: in the Rams offense, it's interesting from a receiving perspective,

673
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 5: but you are going on to the other end of

674
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 5: the spectrum from blocking, you know, standpoint, like Cooper is

675
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 5: one of the best blocking receivers in the league, and

676
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 5: Keenan was definitely that was an issue for him in

677
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 5: Chicago last year. And it is kind of hard in

678
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 5: Chicago last year, Like I kind of want to give

679
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 5: all those guys a pass because these are, like, especially

680
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 5: the two former Pro Bowl receivers, These are you know,

681
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 5: proven guys like DJ Moore think about and I'm off

682
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 5: on a tangent here, but like DJ Moore, he's a

683
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 5: guy that has played in some rough situations in throughout

684
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 5: the course of his career. And this is probably the

685
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 5: first time you can look at the film and be like,

686
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 5: I don't know if this guy's fully bought into what's

687
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 5: going on here, and even some of his public comments,

688
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 5: which again is outrageous. This guy has played for some

689
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 5: weird coaching staff, so there was a lot going on

690
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 5: in Chicago last year. I think Keenan showed you he's

691
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 5: one of these players that sometimes with wide receivers you

692
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 5: just fall off the cliff. Other times there's a little

693
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 5: bit more of like a steady tick down. And I

694
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 5: think he could still be useful to the right team.

695
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 5: I don't know Chicago. I don't know if LA the

696
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 5: Chargers are that right team. Mike Williams. I mean, I

697
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 5: think it was tough last year. I just think it

698
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 5: was tough to.

699
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: Expect the injury.

700
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 5: He's a big guy.

701
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: He's never been like a two different teams.

702
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's never been an above average separator either.

703
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 5: I also thought that him and George Pickens kind of

704
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 5: have like a very overlapping skill set there in Pittsburgh too,

705
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 5: so you're kind of looking a little too samey. And

706
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: I mean Russell Wilson, like every offense just kind of

707
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: becomes the Russell Wilson offense, where you're looking at deep

708
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 5: shot wide receivers, tight coverage go routes, fades and things

709
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 5: like that, which is Mike Williams's skill set. But I

710
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 5: mean you're you're asking a lot for basically two guys

711
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 5: play the same position and play the position the same

712
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 5: way to be on the field at the same time

713
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 5: and thriving. Right.

714
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: All right, well, reception perception check it out. He was

715
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: all over lad last year and uh, you know, business

716
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: was good last year, business was booming. So let's hope

717
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: that the combine turned some of these dudes out there.

718
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: Are you doing tight ends?

719
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 5: No?

720
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: I know you well, you thought it was. I was

721
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: listening to one of the I remember when you were

722
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: lovely know you were kicking it around. You were kicking

723
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: the idea around. What was it last year or the

724
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 2: year before you were talking about tight ends, isn't am?

725
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: I not right? Am?

726
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: I remember you are remembering that the audience desperately wants

727
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 5: to see some of the tight end charting. There's two

728
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 5: problems with that. One. The technical answer is I've been

729
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 5: doing reception perception for ten years now. There's a very

730
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 5: over ten years. There's a clear database, like I can

731
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 5: tell you what each metric tells you like this. This

732
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 5: matter is because of this, and this is where we

733
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 5: know that this guy should play all that stuff, and

734
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: we're starting the database over. If we're like including tight ends,

735
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 5: it is a different position. Even if these the lines

736
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 5: can get a little blurred. The non technical answer is

737
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 5: I'm happily married man. I'd like to stay happily married.

738
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: Man.

739
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 5: I got enough damn work with. There's like fifty sixty

740
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 5: wide receivers. I need to charge up grind Will Disley

741
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 5: tape for us. Tell you what, gritty guy, all right,

742
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 5: it's grit.

743
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: It's it team grit, all right, Matt. We appreciate it, man, appreciate.

744
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 5: You, guys.

745
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: Thank you well, Maddy another one of our favorites. I

746
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: can't believe it's been a year since Lancier Line joined

747
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: us and it was a draft where Joe Alt, Oh.

748
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: Can you here, I'm just coming down a little bit too loud.

749
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry.

750
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 6: No, it's just my radio, you know. Just I just

751
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 6: go to the producer, I say, on the what is it?

752
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 6: I don't even I've been to radio twenty seven years.

753
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly hosted around on the return, I was I

754
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: was just gonna find my game.

755
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: I need a little bit more me in my air,

756
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: more me in my air. Please, that's that's that's a

757
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: routine for me. I like me, me like me, some

758
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: me exactly.

759
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: At last, we were just saying, how you know you

760
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: gave us all this great insight on the offensive line

761
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: h last year, and the Chargers selected the best offensive

762
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: lineman in the draft in Joe Alt, and now the

763
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: bookends off for Shawn Slater and Joe Alt gonna be

764
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: with the Powder Blue for the next decade plus.

765
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: However, you may need to go back to the.

766
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: Well, here we go, this is how we get it started.

767
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 6: You may need to go back to the well. I

768
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 6: like the book, NDS, I like your book. I think

769
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 6: you go you always go guard. Well, if you can't,

770
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 6: well you go best player available.

771
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: Well, because you.

772
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 6: Know, I covered the Houston Texans and uh so obviously

773
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 6: really in tune with with that match up the Chargers

774
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 6: and Texans. Yeah, and uh DJ and I talked a

775
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 6: little bit during the week about strengths and weaknesses of

776
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 6: the Texans and I, you know, I kind of gave

777
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 6: him a scouting report. He gave me the scouting report

778
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 6: on Chargers, and the one thing that really stood out

779
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 6: was this could be trouble because the Texans can mix

780
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 6: it up a little bit on the interior as rushers,

781
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 6: and that was an issue for the Chargers last year.

782
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 6: And I think that, you know, strengthening that immediate weakness

783
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 6: has got to be a priority. And I don't I

784
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 6: don't know that you do it with one pick. You know,

785
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 6: you may have to do it free agency and a pick,

786
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 6: but this isn't a good free agent market, so you

787
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 6: may need to go two picks.

788
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 4: But the good news is it's pretty good guard draft.

789
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 6: You got some centers you can look at, so it's

790
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 6: it's it can be taken care of. Probably need to

791
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 6: do it inside the first four four rounds, though.

792
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: Let's uh, you know what, Let's start just I want

793
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: to make sure I got it right. Let's start with

794
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: the free agent market. You said it's not a good

795
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: guard market, but obviously.

796
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 4: It's not a good free agent market in general.

797
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 5: Yep.

798
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: There may be a couple, so that's what I want

799
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: to get at. So let's say if they try to

800
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: mix and match, right, I don't know. I don't Maybe

801
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: they'll spend twenty two twenty four million bucks on Trey Smith.

802
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. If I see him doing that. I

803
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 2: don't know if I see Kansas City.

804
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: Let great fit. I don't. If I'm Kansas City, I

805
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: can't let them go, right, I just I just can't.

806
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 6: You'll catch a French Chargers, Yeah, you'll catch a You'll

807
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 6: catch a tag for me from me before where I'll.

808
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: Let you go.

809
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So then let's go. I'm just going through the

810
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: PFF rankings here. I don't know if these would be

811
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: your rankings, but next in line as will Fries look

812
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: good before he got hurt?

813
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 5: Solid?

814
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: That fit?

815
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: So I think that's a fit.

816
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: Fit take million bucks a year?

817
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: Well is that what guards get with here?

818
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you know Houston needs them, Chargers need them.

819
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: Everybody needs a line, right.

820
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 6: Well, I'd like him for a little less if I could,

821
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 6: But no, I mean, if if money's not an issue,

822
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 6: then yeah, fries and would make a lot of sense.

823
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 6: A guy like Gray's able, you know, who can play

824
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 6: center or guard. You know, in a perfect world money

825
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 6: you want tackle guard or guard center. You always want

826
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 6: position flexibility, but you'd also like not just like get

827
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 6: you out of a game and an emergency, you'd like

828
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 6: I can start like Landon Dickerson when he came out

829
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 6: of Alabama, he was a center at that time, but

830
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 6: he can play guard, and the idea was he'll eventually

831
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 6: go to center when Kelsey's gone. So you want guys

832
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 6: who have dual starting flexibility when possible. The tackle to

833
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 6: guard thing is is usually you have a guy's kind

834
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 6: of short armed or not big for whatever the case

835
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 6: may be, or not maybe quick enough depending on if

836
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 6: you're going to more of a gap scheme like the

837
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 6: like the Chargers have, and so you want somebody who's

838
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 6: got the pass pro finesse.

839
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: And so I think there are.

840
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 6: Some players that that can be found in free agency

841
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 6: who fit immediately, who are veterans and they won't have

842
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 6: the the bumps in the road that you're going to

843
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 6: have with the rookie.

844
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 4: So if you can't get one.

845
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: What about Tevin Jenkins?

846
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe too much mad case.

847
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 6: I mean, Tevin is a talented player, but they've had

848
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 6: to really hustle over there to get him motivated. Although

849
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 6: he came off of a really good season, like he's

850
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 6: when he's motivated, he.

851
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: Plays really really well.

852
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 6: But you know, I don't know what the Chargers room

853
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 6: is like, I don't know how he fits into that room.

854
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 6: That's always a question that that that I guess the

855
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 6: study from the front office is.

856
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: Going to have to do on this.

857
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: Let me just throw the rest of these at you.

858
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: Tell me if if one of them jumps out at you. Zeitler,

859
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: James Daniels, McCarry. How about Aaron Banks taking a flyer

860
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: on him?

861
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 6: Aaron Banks is big and strong, might be a guy

862
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 6: that you get cheap, and then you might. What you

863
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 6: do is you go probably twice in the offensive you know,

864
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 6: you go once in a fifth round, you go another

865
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 6: time in the first or second round, and then you say, okay,

866
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 6: we got some competition. Now we got three new we

867
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 6: got three new faces we're throwing in the offensive line room.

868
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 6: Let's let's get to it. Because to me, I mean,

869
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 6: just about every job should be up for grabs. There

870
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 6: should at least be real competition there because you got

871
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 6: too much, you know, I mean, there's still some holes

872
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 6: you can get better running back, can get better wide receiver.

873
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 6: There's there's some spots to get better in the secondary.

874
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 6: But you're not that far off if you're the chargers.

875
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 6: So you have to your your approach needs to be

876
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 6: pretty it needs to be pretty aggressive. And this is

877
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 6: only year two for this, you know, for this particular

878
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 6: group of coaches, and and so if you didn't get

879
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 6: it done in year one, your job should be up

880
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 6: in the air.

881
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: Two. Lance's kind of a two part question here, George.

882
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: He said yesterday that they may experiment with experiment with

883
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: a Zion Johnson at center. Uh, you mentioned Gray Zabel,

884
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: a guy who has a lot of positional flexibility in

885
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: the interior. A. What do you think of Zion potentially

886
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: at center?

887
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 5: And B?

888
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: Would Graysabel be a solid pick at twenty two or

889
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: is that somebody that slide to the second round?

890
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 6: You know, I'd say it's too early. But here's the thing.

891
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 6: Cole Strange was a first round pick from New England.

892
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 6: You know, New England has gone Logan Mankins in the past.

893
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 6: They went you know, New England always believed in if

894
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 6: we get a good guard, we're gonna draft good guard

895
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 6: and we don't care.

896
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: We're not gonna play games with it. We just will

897
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: do it in the first round.

898
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 6: I don't think that's the worst idea in the world.

899
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 6: Is that a little early for grays Abel? I guess,

900
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 6: but who really cares if he becomes a ten year starter? Like,

901
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 6: what difference does it make if you drafted him if you,

902
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 6: because he's not going.

903
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: To be there when you draft him the second round,

904
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: we'll be there fifty five, so he's not going.

905
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 4: To be there.

906
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 6: So either you're trading back and hoping that he's still

907
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 6: on the board or you or you take him there.

908
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 6: So I don't know, I don't know how you how

909
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 6: you work it, But that's a guy that would make

910
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 6: sense coming in at playing. If if Zion could give

911
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 6: you the snaps, that's great. Can he is he a

912
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 6: good snapper? Can he identify fronts? It may not require

913
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 6: that Zion is a very smart guy. Is he football smart?

914
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 6: I don't know. You're gonna be BookSmart. You may not

915
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 6: have a great feel and instinct. Sometimes it doesn't matter.

916
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 6: Sometime the guards are making the calls an identifying the front.

917
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 6: So Gray is a tough guy, as you mentioned he

918
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 6: has he has He has three for one position flexibility,

919
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 6: probably more emergency right tackle in the league, but starting guards,

920
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 6: starting center, very strong core so he can hold up

921
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 6: to bull rushes. He was fantastic at the senior well,

922
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 6: just really really good and much better than I had anticipated.

923
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 6: But you always love having a guy with tackle experience

924
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 6: in because they're just they're just they're going to be

925
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 6: more savvy and they're going to be more technically sound

926
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 6: in pass pro. And for me, that's obviously like a huge,

927
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 6: huge get. But you can't really sacrifice, like Jim Harball

928
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 6: is not going to sacrifice your ability to be tough

929
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 6: and kind of move people around. But that the duo

930
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 6: blocks and the gap scheme stuff. So Grey's abel actually

931
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 6: fits that too. So he's one of those guys that fits.

932
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: What if he let's say he's there, Booker's there.

933
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: I mean Booker, you race it up and it's over.

934
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 2: That would be it that Yeah, But I'm saying so.

935
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 4: Because Booker's wired the way you want him to.

936
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 6: He's big, like like like Hardball likes him, and he's

937
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 6: strong and physical, so hert I mean, Booker should be

938
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 6: one of the guys who's at the very top of

939
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 6: their list because he's also considered the leader at Alabama.

940
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 6: It's not Milrow, it's not anyone on defense. The leader

941
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 6: is a guard of the team of the team. So

942
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 6: now you've got a guy in a room that's already

943
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 6: got a strong room with all you got a lot

944
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 6: of football character. Now with Alt and Schlater and Booker.

945
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 6: And you know in Zion Johnson he's got a lot

946
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 6: of football character as well. You got to really you

947
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 6: got the right kind of room if you got Booker.

948
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 6: I just don't think Booker is going to be there.

949
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 6: I know he's not gonna be when you're drafted. So

950
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 6: because because what I'm telling you is what a lot

951
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 6: of teams want. And it wouldn't shock me if somebody

952
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 6: moved up. It's crazy to move up for a guard.

953
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 6: But there's not a lot of first round guards. So

954
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 6: thirteen fifty yeah, I mean, you know that's not where

955
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 6: I have him graded, but where you have to slot them.

956
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 6: And now DJ loves all the intangibles. The people at

957
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 6: the Alabama program speak extremely glowingly of them. Well, if

958
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 6: you think they're doing that to DJ, to myself, what

959
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 6: do you think they're telling the NFL teams, they're telling them.

960
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: The same thing.

961
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 6: And so teams who say, man, we need somebody inside

962
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 6: who's tough, who's a leader, Who's Houston Texans?

963
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 4: Who I cover? They need somebody inside who's tough, who's

964
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 4: a leader? Will you draft ahead of them?

965
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 6: So, I mean, you can't play games with it if

966
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 6: Booker's there, Race the card up, but I just.

967
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: Don't see what are you?

968
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: Twenty two two?

969
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 5: Yeah?

970
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 4: I just I think he goes inside the top eighteen picks.

971
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: You mentioned flexibility, what about Membo?

972
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 4: That's another one.

973
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 5: Maybe.

974
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to trade up to get Membo. But Membo.

975
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 6: You know, it's funny I talk to a team that

976
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 6: isn't quite as high as I am on them, but

977
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 6: they're just wrong. I'm right and they're wrong. Mimbo is

978
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 6: really going to be good. He is very tough. He's

979
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 6: he's about three hundred and thirty pounds of solid mass.

980
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 6: He's a little shorter than most tackles, but he's got

981
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 6: thirty four inch arms, which makes up for it because

982
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 6: he's got that wingspan. But what makes Membo different to

983
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 6: me is, you know, he's mostly been in an outside

984
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 6: zone scheme. A lot of inside outside zone, which is

985
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 6: a move based offense blocking scheme. For those listening what

986
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 6: the Chargers do and what Jim did at what Hardball

987
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 6: did at Michigan, there's a lot of double teams and

988
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 6: then you work up to the linebacker called duo blocks

989
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 6: or gap scheme. But I think Membo can do that.

990
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 6: Like he's strong, he's got really good hands, He's very

991
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 6: technically sounded, he's tough.

992
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 4: He's very tough.

993
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 6: So from a from a culture fit and from a

994
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 6: scheme fit, Membo is fantastic and he gives you the

995
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 6: potential to step out at right.

996
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: Let let all roll over to left tackle.

997
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 6: If something happens Slater and Membo to right side, maybe

998
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 6: Mimbo go's left side. You know, he can slide, he

999
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 6: can play an emergency swing tackle if you're not happy

1000
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 6: with your swing tackle. But I think he is a

1001
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 6: long time starting guard and a good one if you

1002
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 6: got your hands on him. But he goes before Booker

1003
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 6: potentially lace.

1004
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: That was my next question to you is we saw

1005
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: All go out with a knee injury earlier in the year,

1006
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: missed the game. Slater has had some injury history. What

1007
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: about just adding to a strength and like the third

1008
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: or fourth right and getting another tackle that maybe has

1009
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: that positional versatility to kick inside the guard. Are there

1010
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: any guys you can think about and maybe those mid

1011
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: rounds that the Chargers may be attracted to.

1012
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if you start looking at third and

1013
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 6: fourth round probably you know Anthony Belton from NC State

1014
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 6: is a name. He's a big massive guy, but he's tough,

1015
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 6: he's physical, he's got a little better feet than you're

1016
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 6: maybe expecting.

1017
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 4: I think a player, and I'm trying to think, you.

1018
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 6: Know, specific to to I think Jack Nelson from is

1019
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 6: more of a four round type of tackle from Wisconsin.

1020
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 6: But you know, he's a big ten player and he

1021
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 6: comes from the same type of mentality over at Wisconsin

1022
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 6: that that. You know, it's when you when you try

1023
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 6: to figure out what a team is gonna do, you

1024
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 6: really sometimes you have to try to get into the

1025
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 6: personality of the team. And with Hardball, there's no He's

1026
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 6: not sneaky exactly. I mean he told h he basically

1027
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 6: told us he was drafting an offensive lineman last year.

1028
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 6: Like you know, most teams try to smoke screen. I

1029
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 6: don't think he's capable of it. But he's also he's

1030
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 6: also like easy for me to read because I can

1031
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 6: just look for Chargers. I go look for Michigan, Michigan

1032
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 6: men boy, the boys in blue, and I'm looking for that,

1033
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 6: only it's a it's a lighter color, more a softer

1034
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 6: blue now, but it's not softer in the interior, you know,

1035
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 6: in the trenches. So Charles Grant loved Charles Grant, and

1036
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 6: he is a player.

1037
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: That's he's third at the latest.

1038
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 6: He could be a riser and I'd kind of plugged

1039
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 6: him into the third fourth at first when I first

1040
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 6: watched him, and I thought, boy, this is a guy

1041
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 6: that is going to be a steal. Well, if I'm

1042
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 6: thinking he's a steal in December, he's probably gonna test

1043
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 6: well and he's not gonna be a steal because offensive

1044
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 6: lineman get pushed up, so he won't be there for

1045
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 6: the Chargers third round pick, I don't think, And he

1046
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 6: could end up going in a second because he is

1047
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 6: a tackle guard flexible player too, but he is a

1048
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 6: tremendously quick zone scheme guy, so I don't know that

1049
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 6: he would fit schematically.

1050
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: What about just center, if they're going to maybe try

1051
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: Zion at center, if they bring back Bozeman on a

1052
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: you know, lower number contract. Everybody loves him in the room,

1053
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: so I'd be really surprised. And then if they're going

1054
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: fishing in those late rounds for you.

1055
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 4: Know, if you want to fish in the late rounds.

1056
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 6: Jake Majors from University of Texas Money and I talked

1057
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 6: about him the other night. One of the smartest centers

1058
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 6: in the whole draft, really really football smart. He's tough,

1059
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 6: he has good size, so he's not like one of

1060
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 6: these three hundred and two pounds centers that has to

1061
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 6: try to eat all day to keep his weight on.

1062
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 6: I mean, he's in a three fifteen range, I think

1063
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 6: something like that. I don't know where he will be

1064
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 6: if he's weighed here, what he's going to be here.

1065
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 6: But he's a hardy. He's a good hearty size for center.

1066
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 4: What do you have on him? Money?

1067
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: I got him at Let's see, they don't have it here.

1068
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: Let's see for that look yep, so that's where he plays.

1069
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: See your guy, Well, this is the guy that Lance

1070
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: and I were talking about. Then I went back and

1071
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 2: watched the Michigan game and I was like, he's holding

1072
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: his own against Kenneth Grant. He's holding his own against

1073
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: Mason Grant. He had a good game that day.

1074
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 6: You got to see what the Longhorns look like. A

1075
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 6: good look against Michigan. And I love watching best on best,

1076
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 6: and he more than held his own against those two guys.

1077
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 6: And he's smart, he's durable at the point of attack,

1078
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 6: and you know, he's the type of guy that I

1079
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 6: think can become a starter, even if you're taking him

1080
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 6: in the fifth or sixth round. And and and that's

1081
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 6: what you love to find. There's a lot of centers

1082
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 6: who start in this league that were fifth, sixth, seventh

1083
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 6: and undrafted, usually like fifth, sixth and undrafted. You find

1084
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 6: it all the time, and you have to so you

1085
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 6: can afford other players. You have to go find late

1086
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 6: round guys.

1087
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: Lansay, if I get you off the offensively just for

1088
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: a second, goes hand in hand.

1089
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 5: Though.

1090
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're seeing a running back renaissance.

1091
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: You see what Saquan did and to lead the Eagles

1092
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl victory. He saw with Derek Henry

1093
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: did in Baltimore. The Chargers could use an Omari and

1094
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: Hampton and Ashton genty. How do you view this running

1095
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: back class and who do you think would be the

1096
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: best fit from a running back perspective, knowing what you

1097
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: have on the offensive line right now on the book ends.

1098
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 6: Well, I think it's a really good it's a really

1099
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 6: good running back draft for what you guys do. There's

1100
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 6: some hammerheads in here. There's some tough guys, some physical players,

1101
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 6: and it happens to be very deep. I mean, you

1102
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 6: can go find guys in a fifth round who are

1103
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 6: gonna fit and maybe sixth who can come in and

1104
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 6: give you good number two carries. You want to find

1105
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 6: a number one, number ones or in this draft as well,

1106
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 6: Amara and Hampton.

1107
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 4: You know.

1108
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 6: To have two first round maybe three for round running back.

1109
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 6: I think Travion Henderson is going to test well and

1110
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 6: he could be a real wildcard after what Jamior Gibbs

1111
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 6: has been able to do.

1112
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 4: Ashton Gent's gonna go high.

1113
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 6: But Omarion Hampton is the perfect kind of right down

1114
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 6: the middle, no no gatherers feet. He's he's accelerating through

1115
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 6: into and through contact. He's a big guy, He's been

1116
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 6: extremely healthy. He's a number one back who's gonna get

1117
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 6: a lot of carries, maybe in the first round.

1118
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

1119
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 6: Quinn Shawn Judkins is another tough guy, very tough, physical,

1120
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 6: not as explosive in terms of hitting the big chunk

1121
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 6: plays that's typically not really a concern for a Jim

1122
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 6: Harball type offense.

1123
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 4: I mean, if you get it, you get it. If

1124
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 4: you don't, you don't.

1125
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 6: If you if you want to have a hardcore player

1126
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 6: like a Judkins in the first running back spot. Then

1127
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 6: just go find a guy with a little more a

1128
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 6: little more juice at the second running back spot.

1129
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

1130
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 6: But then you get to players like I think another

1131
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 6: guy that would fit would be Cam scattaball as a

1132
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 6: as a second. Now i'm making him a second. I'm

1133
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 6: trying to beat you up by committee. So I want

1134
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 6: to have the first guy who beats you up. Then

1135
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 6: I want to have the second guy who comes and

1136
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 6: does some of the same stuff. In that case, my

1137
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 6: third running back needs to be the splash and dash

1138
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 6: player who maybe gets three or four carries but does

1139
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 6: all the third most of the third down work for you.

1140
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 6: But you can go into the like the fourth and

1141
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 6: fifth rounds Montreal Johnson out of Florida, Jordan James out

1142
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 6: of Oregon. These are guys who are extraordinarily physical and

1143
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 6: who have a certain mentality, And this is a great

1144
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 6: draft for mentality running backs. You know, guys that are

1145
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 6: gonna get between the tackles and keep it between the tackles.

1146
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 6: It's just that, you know, you got to do the

1147
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 6: work on how many of these can catch passes as well,

1148
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 6: how many of these guys keep it on the track,

1149
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 6: Because what you don't want is. You don't want players

1150
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 6: who try to bounce it. You know, you can have

1151
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 6: a physical player who likes to kind of every once

1152
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 6: in a while drift into the world of finesse and

1153
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 6: think he's going to be a slick I remember watching

1154
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 6: Chris Carson.

1155
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 4: Remember Chris Carson.

1156
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, when he came out of Oklahoma State, and I

1157
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 6: just kept seeing like he's so big and strong, why

1158
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 6: does he keep dancing around and trying to be a

1159
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 6: finesse back? And I read an article where his running

1160
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 6: backs in the same room with him gave him hell

1161
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 6: over the same thing, like, dude, you're so big and strong,

1162
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 6: you got to just be running over people. When he

1163
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 6: got to the league, that's what he became, is a

1164
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 6: running back coach or an offense coordinator or maybe a

1165
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 6: veteran got in his head and said, you're so big,

1166
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 6: what are you doing?

1167
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: Man?

1168
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 4: Just go run over people? And he was a he

1169
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 4: was a nightmare for a little bit. Like he was

1170
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 4: a really physical back. So good draft have physical backs.

1171
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: Great stuff. He writes all the tree. You hit up

1172
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: NFL dot com and you click on a player's name,

1173
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: and that is all Lance. He's done the great He's

1174
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: done the bio. He's done the write up, he's done

1175
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: the comparison, seven hundred eight, So we're talking about.

1176
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 4: Fifty five hundred over the last eleven drafts.

1177
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 6: But right now we're sitting at about three forty five

1178
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 6: three for that one hundred and forty five to go.

1179
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't push back on Lance. Man knows what

1180
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: he's talking about, and we appreciate it.

1181
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 4: Man.

1182
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: Thanks brother, you're the best.

1183
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, So buddy, we are spoiled. Two more podcasts

1184
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: this week. This one was.

1185
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 2: Fun, absolutely great one.

1186
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 5: Today.

1187
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: We'll have great one tomorrow. Mina's gonna join us, so

1188
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 2: Mina comes from over at ESPN. We'll have danme Brugler,

1189
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: our friend from the Athletic puts together The Beast another.

1190
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about Lance in this one. Danged

1191
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: the same way, six seven hundred names that he's grading

1192
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 2: and putting up reviews on. And it's Brett Coleman exactly,

1193
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: our friend that you see if you go to Charger games,

1194
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: you see him breaking it down up on the giant board.

1195
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: Just incredible at watching tape and breaking players down. So

1196
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: most definitely gonna be another Gret one tomorrow.

1197
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: It's easy to forget because we've had like so many

1198
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: twenty guests this week. Exactly we'll do it. Should we

1199
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: do a Prime forty seven recap? No no, no, so

1200
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: not do that that. We'll skip that one. Use your imagination.

1201
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: And I need to go take a nap.

1202
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 5: For buddy up.

1203
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: Chris, it's been charges weekly. We'll see you tomorrow.