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Speaker 4: Welcome to be a Fantasy Flex podcast from the Action

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Speaker 4: Network of Fantasy Labs. I'm your host, Chris Raybon. We

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Speaker 4: got another episode today. We're gonna talk some wide receivers,

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Speaker 4: some running backs, and best ball. And we've got a

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Speaker 4: JJ zach Arese and JJ Mann.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this. How you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm good man.

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Speaker 2: You know, I still tell the story about how at

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Speaker 2: Number Fire, way back in the day, we wrote an

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Speaker 2: And my response to him was, Yo, you want to

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Speaker 1: You know, this is real, real.

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Speaker 4: Life story, but not always appreciate you JJA, and people

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Speaker 4: should definitely check out your draft guide, your prospect guide.

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Speaker 4: I really want but we're gonna get into some of

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Speaker 4: I think that those those two positions are are very

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Speaker 1: Make sure you download the Action app, all right, JJ,

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Speaker 1: before we jump in.

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Speaker 4: We'll start talking some wide receivers in a second, but

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Speaker 4: I do want to get just the listeners a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the z model is all about basically allowing

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Speaker 3: Three years of his career. But what the model does.

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Speaker 2: It takes different inputs, inputs like production, inputs at wide

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to start with Jalen Nole, who I

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Speaker 4: Do you think as far as Randall Cobb was, do

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Speaker 3: But if you want to think of like a stylistic how.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean every team could use a slot

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Speaker 1: I actually think that's a bargain.

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Speaker 4: I see the speed, and I think kind of a

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Speaker 1: Only going to rise.

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Speaker 4: But curious as to what you think of the player

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: I published the pre draft version of the Prospect Guide

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Speaker 2: and he's continued to go up since then. Right, So

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Speaker 3: Generally, anything under two is a red flag.

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Speaker 2: You know, over three is something that we see elite

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Speaker 3: And if you look at the guys who did.

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Speaker 2: Hit, you get Tyreek Hill out of that group, who

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Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin, Nico Collins, and Lad McConkie were the other three.

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Speaker 2: And interestingly enough, Ladd McConkie is Matthew Golden. It's his

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The thing with McConkie, though that's different than Golden, is

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Speaker 2: It was sort of what we saw from pukuin Akua

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Speaker 3: He's a breakout score fifty one point four.

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Speaker 2: That's average across all wide receivers, let alone a first

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Speaker 2: his production profile. With that being said, you know, we

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Speaker 2: like if you're playing best ball. I do think he's

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Speaker 2: The good part about what I do with like breakout

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Speaker 3: This dude, if you look at NFL mock draft database.

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Speaker 2: This dude back in December was like a fifth round pick, right,

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Speaker 3: Now he's a mid first rounder.

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Speaker 2: Like I, again, I haven't studied that in enough detail

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Speaker 2: But I do have some analytical concerns with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree, And that's why I know.

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Speaker 4: I just I look for value, right, and I just

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've even saw it for a time with

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Speaker 4: It's like and he just re upped, I mean for

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Speaker 1: Might start for them. It's like they it's like every

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Speaker 4: Ask you for another one, But I just want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think from a bestball perspective, just looking at

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Speaker 2: you should be throwing darts at every mid to late

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Speaker 3: Would obviously be a really really bad thing.

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Speaker 2: But if you look at what he did at Alabama,

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Speaker 2: Forty eight catches, six hundred and sixty eight yards, four touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: It's nothing special. But if you look at that from

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people are going to say, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Bond has a horrible production profile. I'd argue it's better

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Speaker 2: they did at Texas, you know, it sounds like Texas

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Speaker 2: But again, this is a player who has blazing speed.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you're watching them. There was that mcshae

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Speaker 2: People stylistically will say that he's like a Jalen Wattle

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Speaker 3: And Isaiah Bond has that rushing stuff.

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Speaker 3: So I actually liked a little bit more of the market.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, I think looking at like text,

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Speaker 4: we're starting to see these Texas receivers really kind of

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00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 4: outperform their draft capital. So I'm going to be investig

439
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Speaker 4: in both, but totally agree on Bond being kind of

440
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 4: like a cheaper version of word of of Matthew Golden

441
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,959
Speaker 4: anyone else at wide receiver before we jumped around Mack.

442
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 2: I think that that people should be paying a little

443
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 2: bit more attention to Kyle Williams.

444
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 3: You know, he's been gaining more steam than I expected.

445
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 2: You know, I wrote in the in The Prospect Guy,

446
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 2: which again goes out in like early March, I said,

447
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 2: the Model's gonna like Williams a little bit too much

448
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 2: due to him having a reasonable freshman season. But he's

449
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: not somebody have to go crazy with. But the reason

450
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 2: I wrote that is because at that moment, his raft,

451
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 2: his projected draft capital is pretty trash. Now I'm seeing

452
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,640
Speaker 2: tweets from people that he might go like that are

453
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 2: saying that the you know, I saw Hayden wingson a

454
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 2: tweet that he they should they should match him back

455
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 2: up with Cam Moore and get him in Tennessee and

456
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: get him in the second round. And if you're getting

457
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 2: round two capital from a dude who's an afterthought, you

458
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: got to you gotta go after that. But the reason

459
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 2: why the Model kind of likes him more than where

460
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 2: he's likely to be drafted is because his freshman season

461
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 2: was really strong. He has a breakout score of seventy eight.

462
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 2: That's one of the better breakout scores that you're gonna

463
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Speaker 2: find in the class. Now, he's a little bit older,

464
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 2: and you don't you don't like that out of your

465
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 2: whiteouts are really any prospect.

466
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: But I do think that that Williams, when.

467
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 2: You attach the fact that he did have early career production,

468
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 2: and you attached that with the fact that you might

469
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 2: get better draft capital than folks realize right now, that

470
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 2: just comes together and says, maybe this dude should be

471
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Speaker 2: on your radar.

472
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean he's he's really essentially free. I

473
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 4: don't think he even has an ADP. So yeah, Kyle Williams,

474
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 4: Washington State, definitely a guy to keep your eye on.

475
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to a Let's go to running backs,

476
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 4: and you know this position. I real quick eight thoughts

477
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 4: on just the position overall, because I feel like this

478
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley success with the Eagles last year, and this

479
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 4: Derek and you know, Derrick Henry and to the Ravens,

480
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 4: I almost feel like the view of the running back

481
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 4: is starting to trickle up again.

482
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Speaker 1: Do you do you agree? Do you think it was

483
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: kind of like a one off thing.

484
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Speaker 2: I mean, I agree that people are viewing it favorably,

485
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: the running back position, but I also that it was

486
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: like a one.

487
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 3: Off situation with those guys.

488
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 2: Like it's wild to me that people are like, oh,

489
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 2: look at how you know, the Ravens were so good

490
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: and the Eagles were so good. And I'm not saying

491
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Speaker 2: that like Saquon Barkley didn't play a role, don't get

492
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 2: me wrong, but.

493
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Speaker 3: Both those teams were really good last year without those guys.

494
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Speaker 2: You know, Like, situationally, it was a great situation for

495
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 2: those backs to get into and nothing really changed with Like,

496
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 2: if they were so impactful, then they would have been

497
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: so impactful for the teams that they were coming from,

498
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 2: and they weren't, right, because we know that situation offensive

499
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: line environment scheme that all matters is that, and running

500
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: backs are going to be more dependent on that than

501
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 2: some of the other positions in football. So do I

502
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 2: think that that teams and analysts and such are viewing

503
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: the running back position more favorably right now?

504
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 3: Yes?

505
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: Do I think it's warranted? I mean, I think that

506
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: that the analytics world probably took it a little bit

507
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: too far at some points, right And I even wrote

508
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: articles about this, and like when Saquon Barkley was drafted,

509
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: you know, I said that it was a bad draft pick,

510
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: you know, but uh, you know, I also I think

511
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: that it's just somewhere in the middle between where where

512
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: a lot of these takes are.

513
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, as a Giants fan, a lot of

514
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,959
Speaker 4: Giants picks have been bad draft picks because it's the Giants,

515
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: But uh, you know, I do think that because of

516
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 4: the view of running backs and it seems to be

517
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: ticking up again by yeah, NFL front offices and things

518
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 4: like that. The positive that I think is coming out

519
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 4: of that from a fantasy perspective is that I think

520
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: this like forced committee thing is going away. Would have

521
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 4: like obviously, got we understand the you know, there's a

522
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 4: bigger chance of injury with running backs, and teams understand that.

523
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Speaker 4: But I was happy to see and we'll talk about

524
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Speaker 4: this guy in a little bit. But like a Bucky

525
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 4: Irving down the stretch, it was like, all right, this

526
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 4: guy is amazing.

527
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: We're gonna give.

528
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 4: Him twenty touches, Like, you know, we don't care that

529
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 4: we have a shot while you're we don't care that,

530
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 4: you know. Sean Tucker went off a couple of days

531
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 4: James Cook and Buffalo, same thing. It was like, these

532
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 4: guys are gonna get their touches, and they're gonna get

533
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 4: their goal on touches, and they're gonna get.

534
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: Their passing down work.

535
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 4: So Kyrien Williams, you know, guys like But so I

536
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 4: do think that's one of the positives of teams kind

537
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 4: of looking at it like, oh, we don't have to

538
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 4: have this community. We don't have to limit guys unnecessary,

539
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: like if guys get hurt, they get hurt. I think

540
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 4: that's that's that's ideal for us from a fantasy perspective.

541
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 4: So let's just jump right in. Give me your running

542
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 4: back who you like, your rookie rookie guy.

543
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

544
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Speaker 2: Man, there are so many running backs in this class

545
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: that are good. I mean, this class legitimately analytic, like

546
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 2: within my model looks as good as the twenty seventeen class,

547
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: Like it's it's really really good. I'll give you a

548
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: potential probable day three, but potential day two, we'll go

549
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: with DJ Giddens. So Giddins has good size and again,

550
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 2: you know, going back to what the model is looking at,

551
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: there are no rushing metrics in it at all, and

552
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: it sounds really backwards, but the reason for that is

553
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: Number one, rushing is a little bit more replaceable than

554
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: receiving is at the position, and so what where a

555
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: guy gets drafted more than likely is sort of baking

556
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: in his ability to run the football. Right, if you

557
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: get a first round pick, he's gonna just see a

558
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 2: lot of work on the ground.

559
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: We know what's gonna happen.

560
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: If you get a day two guy probably will see

561
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: these amount of work two day three, we know that

562
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: it's likely not going to happen as much, and so

563
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: a lot of this is captured in draft capital. Size

564
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: is also one of the inputs running back weight, it's

565
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: one of the inputs inputs in the model. And obviously

566
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: bigger running backs tend to still see more work on

567
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: the ground than smaller running backs do. And so what

568
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: really differentiates a running back from you know, where they're

569
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: being drafted or how a team might view them, and

570
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: how we view them in fantasy football is receiving. Because

571
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm measuring this off of PPR production. Receiving

572
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: is ungodly important at the running back position in uh,

573
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: you know, in any fantasy format, let alone in a.

574
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Speaker 3: In a full PPR one.

575
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: So breakout scorers actually looked at the exact same way

576
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: as it is a wide receiver. I'm looking at receiving

577
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: your team pass attempt, and then I look at reception

578
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: share as well at the running back position.

579
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: But DJ Giddens, he.

580
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: Has good size, six foot two twelve, nothing wrong with that.

581
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: He you know, the combine really the running backs of

582
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: the combine.

583
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: This year were awesome.

584
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: We had a lot of dudes who ran really fast

585
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: forties at good weights, had really good speed scores that's

586
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: Wight adjusted forty times. And you know, Basehall Tutons won

587
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: that everyone will probably remember because he ran the fastest forty,

588
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: had the best speed score. DJ Giddens though he had

589
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 2: a one to ten plus speed score, like he he

590
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: had a really good combine In showing two, he's kind

591
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: of flying under the radar because there were so many

592
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: other players who did well. But again, you know, he

593
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: had a best season reception share of eleven point two percent.

594
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: He had a breakout score of seventy seven point nine.

595
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: And I have this in the in the guide, and

596
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: I said, let's have some fun with numbers, because when

597
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: you do queries. And you know this, Chris, Like, when

598
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: you're doing queries of these players and you're only looking

599
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: in the numbers that you're using are just the baseline

600
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 2: numbers from that player, that means that everyone that you're

601
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: queer hearing that the results are going to be better

602
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 2: than that player.

603
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 3: Hypothetically, right.

604
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: So if you're looking at like a dude who had

605
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: seven hundred and five receiving yards in the season and

606
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: ten touchdowns, and you query all players over seven hundred

607
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: yards and ten touchdowns, all those players are gonna better

608
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: than that player that you're queering, right, So take this

609
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: with a grain of salt.

610
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 3: I just thought this was really interesting.

611
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: There are only nine running backs in the ZAP model's

612
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: database who had a speed score of at least one

613
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: hundred and ten, so they're fast at their size, a

614
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: breakout score of at least seventy five, so they had

615
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: good receiving production at a young age, and a best

616
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: season total yards per team play rate above two. So

617
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: that's not something that's in the model. But total yards

618
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: per team play pretty self explaina to him. Those nine

619
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: running backs, and DJ Giddens is now going to be

620
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: part of this, But those nine running backs are Todd Gurley,

621
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: Ezekiel Elliott, Joe Mixon, Leonard Fournette, Saquon Barkley, Jonathan Taylor,

622
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: Naji Harris, Breese Hall, and Kenneth Walker. Like the dude

623
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: is part of a legit, legit group. I've talked to

624
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: folks who scout.

625
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: Through film a little bit more than I do.

626
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: They think that he has the ceiling, but definitely has

627
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: a low floor, you know, really inconsistent from rush to rush.

628
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: His comps in the model where Cam Akers, Tevin Coleman

629
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 2: and Marlon Max. So you're not looking at like a

630
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: sure thing here, right, But I do think there's enough

631
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: of a ceiling there to be interested if he does

632
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: go day two, which I think is still possible. If

633
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: he goes day two, he's gonna shoot up draft warters.

634
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, and keep going off about running back fifty eight

635
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 4: right now. And it's oh, it's so dependent running backs

636
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 4: are on landing spot because there's certain spot teams where

637
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 4: you could just see an easy path to that RB

638
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: one spot even if they start the year is like

639
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: an RB three or something like that. So yeah, Giddins

640
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 4: is on the radar, And I actually I do really

641
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: like tooting as well.

642
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: I just think, you know he's going even later.

643
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: He's RB eight seventy seven, so he's barely getting the

644
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 4: look at this point. I mean, I know the you know,

645
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: the speed is there, and I think he'll probably shoot

646
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 4: up a bit, but that's that's kind of what I'm

647
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 4: banking on. I don't I don't know where these guys

648
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 4: are gonna even land yet, and you don't know, none

649
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 4: of us knows, So I think he's going too low.

650
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: But uh, you look at his speed.

651
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 4: Score one essentially a one nineteen best in the combine.

652
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: I think the concerns, you know, place like all these

653
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 4: little things, they're kind of superficial in a way at

654
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: this stage in terms of what we're looking for. But

655
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 4: you know, you're I was looking at your model and

656
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 4: it actually legging him to like guys like Jared McKinnon,

657
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 4: but also Kenneth Walker, Jamier Gibbs.

658
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Tuton, dude, Tutin is.

659
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: In my opinion again, he's sort of in that DJ

660
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: Giddens mold of like, if he does go day two,

661
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: you got to watch out, because I think it's possible

662
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: after that combine that he does and there's such a

663
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: wide range of outcomes for him.

664
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: You know, he has pretty good numbers.

665
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: Part of that is from a receiving perspective, was he

666
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: was an NCAA and T to start his collegiate career,

667
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: and he you know got obviously in that kind of

668
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: environment he's going to have like a seventeen eighteen percent

669
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: reception share. But even at Virginia Tech when he transferred,

670
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: he still had pretty good receiving numbers.

671
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: They were still there. He's just he's a home run

672
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 3: waiting to happen. I mean, the dude.

673
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: He got a Kenneth Walker comp in the in the model,

674
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: and I think it actually makes sense. I mean, he's

675
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: again like he's he's a very similar size, He's got

676
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: the speed, the home run ability, and you know Walker,

677
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: for as good as he is, his biggest uh, you know,

678
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: downfall if he will at least what we've seen in

679
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: the NFL side from injury has just been the inconsistency

680
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: from rush to rush with him, like he's usually a

681
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: high epa low success rate kind of of running back.

682
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're looking at with Bea shall Tuton. Now,

683
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: another one of his comps is Darrington Evans, so like

684
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: it can go south. Like don't don't get me wrong,

685
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: but in this again, if you like in the RB seventies,

686
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: just chase for the upside. And the upside to me

687
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: is that if he does go day two and you know,

688
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: he lands on a team that's gonna give him a shot.

689
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: I think that he can definitely take advantage of that.

690
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean I mean at the year, every

691
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: seventy range, even even if he goes to the right

692
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 4: team as an RB, like if even he goes on

693
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 4: day three to the right team, sure, if you know, I.

694
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: Mean the funny you talk about the in consistency.

695
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 4: Twenty three catches last year, eighty one yards three point

696
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 4: five for cat he has to touchdowns that excuse it,

697
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: but you know, some receptions behind the line. But that

698
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you know, that doesn't mean much. It's more

699
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 4: about the share, I think. So I don't know if that,

700
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: I don't know why people were just down on him.

701
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 4: Anybody else that were running back before we go to.

702
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: Your two guys, Yeah, I'll give you a nice little sleeper.

703
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: Jarquez Hunter out of out of Auburn. He is the

704
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: third best breakout score in this year's class. It's because

705
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: as a you know, his reception share was never super

706
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: super high. Auburn didn't use him that much as a

707
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: as a receiver, but when they did, he had crazy

708
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: receiving numbers. Like as a as a sophomore, he had

709
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty four receiving yards, So that was

710
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: on a team that threw it only three hundred and

711
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: eight times. And he was just really really efficient with

712
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: his rush as a receiver. And then you dig into

713
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: sort of the advanced metrics, you know, he he was

714
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: fifth in this class and career avoided tackles to rush

715
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: he was ninth, and explosive run rate he also ran

716
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: a pretty good forty and he was ninth in career

717
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: yards after contact per attempt. So, like, I think Hunter

718
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 2: is someone who his top comp was Chase Edmonds. But

719
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: you know, when you're when you're talking about and that's

720
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: more of a realistic one, when you're talking about like

721
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: a Day three player, you know, who could make some

722
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: sort of impact of fantasy football, Jase Edmonds is in

723
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: the worst comp in the world. When you're you know,

724
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: trying to find a player who can maybe fill in

725
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: for a guy who's hurt or kind of work his

726
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: way in like a muddy depth chart. I think jar

727
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: Quest Hunter has juice. I think that he's a really

728
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: underrated prospect right now.

729
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: Another guy who basically is free in basketball right now.

730
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: So I love it.

731
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: All.

732
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: Right, let's let's talk here two cause you're you, so

733
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: you have a special a separate excuse me here to

734
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: model that. But it does take into account still some

735
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 4: of the rookie models, So just explain that really quickly

736
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: then we'll jump in.

737
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

738
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: So basically, like after a rookie season, a lot of

739
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: dynasty managers or even redraft players are thinking of themselves, like,

740
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, should I give up on this player after

741
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: he does nothing his rookie season. So I tested that

742
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: and I build a model around it. And basically, you know,

743
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: a running back for instance, the prospects scorer, so how

744
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: they were looked at entering the league gets a lot

745
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: more weight. It matters a lot more than what we

746
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: see a wide receiver for instance, because wide receiver oftentimes

747
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: they're creating their own destiny, if.

748
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 3: You will, in their own production.

749
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: They have to get open in order to see targets,

750
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: and so you know, like the wide receiver model is

751
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: way more baked into how they performed as rookies, whereas

752
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: the running back model it does still have more of

753
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: an anchor and more of a bias towards, you know,

754
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: how they were as prospects. Right, So I'm just looking

755
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: at their prospect scores, and then I'm looking at year

756
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: one production, you know, advanced production, you know, per route

757
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: run numbers at wide receiver and things like you know,

758
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: yards per team pass attempt at wide receiver, and then

759
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: at running back you're looking at a lot of receiving

760
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: metrics and stuff too, And then I'm spitting out a

761
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: score to see how well they're going to perform then

762
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: in year two and year three in their career.

763
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 4: All right, so who jumps who jumps out to you?

764
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: Could be a runback, could be a wide receiver heading

765
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 4: into year two.

766
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that that the wide receiver

767
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: class at the top is pretty from my perspective, relatively chocky.

768
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: Like anyone who likes Marvin Harrison more than Lad mcconkee,

769
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: I think you're making sort of a mistake, Like I'm

770
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm pretty on pretty much on team Lad.

771
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: Just you know, if you think about it, just like

772
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: from a ceiling.

773
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: And floor perspective, Marvin Rrison junior ceiling is probably like

774
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: maybe you want to argue that's a little bit better

775
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: than lab a Conky's, but like it's probably not that

776
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: significantly better than mconkie. Whereas we know the floor is

777
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: going to be there for McConkie. McConkie has a better

778
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: score within the year two model as well.

779
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 3: But if you dig deeper and you look.

780
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: Sort of in the in the you know, the lower

781
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 2: tiered wide receivers from last year, one guy that really

782
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: stands out to me, it was actually two I'll name

783
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: I'll name a couple.

784
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: One of them is Jalen Coker, who.

785
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: If you look at what he did versus Uh, the

786
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: competition on the Panthers really comparable, you know, a really

787
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: strong yards per out run rate.

788
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: Only Adam Thielen was a little bit better than him

789
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: on that team. And then he blew.

790
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: I mean, he he was amazing versus Xavier Lagette Uh

791
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: in terms of yards per out run. And I think

792
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: the biggest question mark with Coker is is he just

793
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: gonna be an inside guy or can he play inside out?

794
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: And last year when thelan came back to the lineup,

795
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: THELAN started playing the slots. Coker was playing the slot

796
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: while thelan was sidelined, and then thelan comes back Coke

797
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: Coker gets pushed to the outside his yards part out

798
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: run wasn't that much worse than what it was when

799
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: he was playing in the slot.

800
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: You know.

801
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: The other thing that was that was interesting with Cocher

802
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: is I do these things called journey comparables where I

803
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: look at players and their ZAP scores, so their rookie

804
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: scorers entering the league, and then I look at their

805
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: year two scores, and I find players in history. They're

806
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: not stylistically the same necessarily, but players in history who

807
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: followed the same journey of being ex prospect and then

808
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: why year two player and his top comp Jalen Cocher's

809
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: was Jacoby Myers, which funny enough, was the exact same

810
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: comp that Matt Harmon had in reception perception for Jalen Cocher.

811
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: So I think there's at least, you know, a potential

812
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: for you know, like a wide receiver three.

813
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: Type season out of him.

814
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: We shouldn't ask the world of Jalen Coker, but I

815
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: do think that there's at least a little bit of

816
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: juice there and then the other guy that I should

817
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: shout out that I feel like is really flying under

818
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: the radar. And I'm shocked that I'm even talking about

819
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 2: this dude because as a prospect, he was like twenty

820
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: six years old coming out.

821
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: I wrote him off for sure.

822
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: But Devon Vley, like, think about it this way, If

823
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: so the Broncos, I think there's a big assumption that

824
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: the Broncos are going to do something relatively decent.

825
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: At pass catcher, at wide receiver in this draft.

826
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: Okay, they're definitely gonna do something at running back, They've

827
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: they've made that pretty clear, but they might do something

828
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: at wide receiver as well. Number One, this wide receiver

829
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: class isn't that that strong, So I don't know if

830
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: they're going to get a player who is going to

831
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: be so substantially better here in twenty twenty five than

832
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: Devon Velay. And then if you look at Velea and

833
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: where the situation he's stepping into, he right now is

834
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: essentially their starting slot. Right they get Evan Ingram and

835
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: he's probably gonna play that joker role that Sean Payton loves.

836
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: But Devon Velay, he was amazing last year, but he

837
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: had he had a one point five to one yards

838
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: per route run.

839
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: He played out of the slot.

840
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: Like I said, primarily, there's not really a locked in

841
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: wide receiver two on that team that that we feel

842
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: amazing about, or at least a player who plays the

843
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: same kind of role that Devon Veley does. So look,

844
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: Veley is old, He's a geriatric wide receiver. The dude's

845
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: already twenty seven years old as a second year player

846
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: in the league.

847
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: But it does feel like the market.

848
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: Is just not caring about the fact that he could

849
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: be a starter on an up and coming in an

850
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: up and coming offense and I want a piece of that.

851
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, And to be fair, I feel pretty good about

852
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 4: Marvin Mims. I think he's going to continue that role

853
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: because again, you speed guys nowadays. But I agree on Veila.

854
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: I loved him last year. Not obviously not pre draft,

855
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: but you know, once the preseason started getting underway and

856
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: you started hearing more and more about him and camp,

857
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: the word was really good, and you like he can

858
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 4: just make some of these kind of like almost like

859
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 4: a Marcus Colston type of guy.

860
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: For Sean Payton.

861
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: The Broncos are so unique in that they have these

862
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 4: roles for guys that maybe they wouldn't have on other teams.

863
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: So I think the draft is gonna be really important

864
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: for really both Mims and Vley obviously because uh you already,

865
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 4: like you said, you got Evan Ingram, so that could

866
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 4: be less targets available for the wide receivers. But whoever,

867
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 4: you know those starters are. I think bo Knicks had

868
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: a really good season. I think they're gonna and they

869
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: they're going a pass too. That's another thing.

870
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: Like Brocks, they don't throw like.

871
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: You're you're talking about, Like I don't mind Mems either,

872
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: But Mims can play, can play on the outside Courtland

873
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: Sutton can play X and they can have Veyle in

874
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: the slot, and those three guys can all like versus

875
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: cost Vele just I mean, he's he's a complete like

876
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: even in like a dynasty environment, he's a throw in

877
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: like no one cares. He's like wide receiver ninety like

878
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a complete afterthought. Whereas like you're talking

879
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: about a dude who could start in the slot with

880
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 2: you know, I like Marvin Mims too, but we also

881
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: know that he's not a stud right now, and so

882
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of different directions that that can

883
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: go in, and so what if they lan ends up

884
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: being more about like what if he ends up being

885
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: a fifteen sixteen percent target chair guy in that offense.

886
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 3: I think that's that's really feasible.

887
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: And if that happens, you're getting profit on where you're

888
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: drafting him right now.

889
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, going back to your point on

890
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: like the the Lad McConkie versus Marvin Harrison thing, like

891
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 4: I think you know a lot of people kind of

892
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: you know, debate these kind of things, like I think

893
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: it's preposterous. I mean, we saw a whole year of

894
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: these guys play. It's like there's no cop there's no context.

895
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: So I think there are there's there's certain guys even

896
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 4: at the top of the draft that can be kind

897
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 4: of undervalued headed into year two just because it's like

898
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: maybe there is a little bit of bias still of them,

899
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: you know, as they were coming into the league, because

900
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: I think I think a guy like McConkie, there shouldnt

901
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 4: even be a discussion. I think Harrison's going too high.

902
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 4: I think Bucky Irving's going too low. And and I

903
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: know he was a guy that you know, he came

904
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 4: as a kind of a hype Day three guy for

905
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: some people, but you know, still a Day three guy.

906
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: This guy, we talked about it before.

907
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 4: Led the league and yards after contact, which is a

908
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 4: lot more sticky. You know, rushing production is going to

909
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 4: jump year to year, so a lot is going to

910
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: depend on the line and how healthy they are, and

911
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: the scheme and even things like shotgun versus you know,

912
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: are they getting most of their opportunities in different you know,

913
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 4: wait in the game, early in the game. But Bucky Irving,

914
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: I don't think there should be twenty two players going

915
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: ahead of them in twenty twenty five drafts. You know,

916
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: he's going off the board twenty third. He's the RB nine.

917
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: The biggest question is volume. But so these are his

918
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: last seven games of regular season, eighteen touches, twenty eight touches,

919
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: five in a game he got hurt seventeen nineteen, twenty

920
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: four to twenty one, So he averaged even with the

921
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 4: hurt game, he averaged about just under nineteen and then

922
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: so nineteen in the wildcard round. So it's clear that

923
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 4: you know, they want to give him the ball, and

924
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 4: we can't predict injuries. We know running backs are going

925
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 4: to get hurt at a higher rate than other positions,

926
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 4: but we can't predict who it exactly end and went.

927
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: So I really have no concerns about Bucky Irving, and

928
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: I think he might be an outlier in the sense

929
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 4: that you know, not this is not gonna be true

930
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 4: of all these guys that go off, you know, off

931
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 4: the board in day three, but you know there there

932
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 4: are gonna be guys like Alvin Kamara or you know,

933
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: even in third round, guys like uh, you know, Alvin

934
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 4: Kamara comes to mind. I think, especially when you talk

935
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 4: about guys who just they're not like others, and I

936
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: think Bucky Irvin's one of these guys. So I'm not

937
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be very aggressive drafting him. Any thoughts on

938
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: him heading into year two.

939
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was from a model perspective, like I liked

940
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: him in Redraft and I got him in Best Ball

941
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: and stuff. But from a dynasty and modeling perspective, the

942
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: model didn't like him coming out last year was a

943
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: big miss from the model And then you know, like

944
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: you're saying he's looking like an outlier, I think he

945
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: already is an outlier.

946
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: Like I think that we can.

947
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: Already just say this is a player who is not

948
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: like you know other players that we've seen.

949
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: Like you said, his yard actric contact was incredible.

950
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: You know, he put together a season that we just

951
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: don't see from day three backs.

952
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: Ever, so the model doesn't like him as much as

953
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: it should in my opinion, is what I'm saying.

954
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: Uh.

955
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: And then you know.

956
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: That's from a year two perspective, because the year two

957
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: to one is being anchored by the prospect one and

958
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: the prospect one wasn't high enough on Bucky coming out,

959
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: and it was a miss from from a long term

960
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: you know viewpoint standpoint thankfully, from like a redraft and uh,

961
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: best ball perspective, you know, it was a lot easier

962
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: for me to to click his name last year. But

963
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: I agree, like I think the only question mark I

964
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: have is the changing coordinator, right, Like, will will that

965
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: impact something?

966
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 3: I don't know for sure, no one does.

967
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: But you know, the the thing with undersized backs that

968
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: you do have to worry about is that at the

969
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: end of the day, this is a coaching decision with

970
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: these with these backs, and some coaches have a biased

971
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: with the way that they deploy their backs. But since

972
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: there's still such a consistent environment outside of Liam Cohen leaving.

973
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, I think that you should feel pretty

974
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 3: good about.

975
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I I almost made the mistake, and I'm

976
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: sure I get I did make the mistake at times

977
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 4: of you know, passing over certain and players on the

978
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 4: Bucks offense because I was so worried about, you know,

979
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: the guy from the year before leaving, which was Canalyist right,

980
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 4: and he went to Carolina and that was a disaster

981
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: for about half a year and then things started to

982
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 4: turn around, which but yeah, they just keep pumping them out.

983
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 4: In the fact that they're promoting from within gives me

984
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: a little bit of pause. But yeah, I think I

985
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 4: would have been a lot more concerned about that if

986
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: we didn't see what we did last year with a switch.

987
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: And because Baker Mayfield was a guy that I didn't

988
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: get enough of last year.

989
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: That was that was the guy where I was like,

990
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 4: all right, it's time to draft Bryce Young And I

991
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 4: mean he came on stronging down a stretch, but I mean,

992
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 4: Baker was I thought it was incredible. I think I

993
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 4: thought the Bucks were kind of like a poor man's

994
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: Detroit Lions, like I like, and they still could be

995
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 4: head in that direction. So yeah, he's I think Bucky's

996
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 4: going to oh lad, agree with you on that one.

997
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 4: Marvin too high? Anyone anyone else? Though, before we get

998
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 4: out of here, gear two guys that you got your

999
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: eye on.

1000
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this.

1001
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: And so last year's running back class in my models,

1002
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: look like it looks like the worst running back class

1003
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: and is like eleven.

1004
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,479
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a really really bad class, right, But.

1005
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: I think that the way that we need to like

1006
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: approach the running back position with these guys this year

1007
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: is thinking about will that team invest in a running

1008
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: back in the draft?

1009
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: Right?

1010
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: And so you want to find as much safety as possible,

1011
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: which is really difficult to do because this class is

1012
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: so loaded.

1013
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: And so a lot of.

1014
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: These teams who we even think won't be taking a stab,

1015
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: will end up taking a stab. There's obvious teams out there.

1016
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: We know Denver probably will, you know, we we have

1017
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Pittsburgh will, whoever. But there are some

1018
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: teams where we feel a little bit more confident they won't.

1019
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 2: I think one of those teams might be Buffalo, might

1020
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: be Buffalo. And you know, there's there's a lot of

1021
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 2: ambiguity happening with James Cook, right, now in that contract situation. Now, Buffalo,

1022
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: if they do go out, let's say they get because

1023
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: to me, Travon Henderson's like top compas James Cook. Like

1024
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: they're a very very similar prospect. So like if Buffalo

1025
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: goes out, they draft Travon Henderson and try to trade

1026
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: James Cook or something, which I don't think is like

1027
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: that bonkers of an idea. You know, obviously this you know,

1028
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: he would then fill that role. And Ray Davis, so

1029
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about here, would you know, basically keep

1030
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 2: a similar role. But like, I still think that there's

1031
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: plenty of upside for Ray Davis to see work in

1032
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: that offense. You know, last year, his numbers looked pretty decent.

1033
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: He was a pretty solid prospect coming out versus where

1034
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: he was drafted. But you know, like like he he

1035
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: right now in the year two model, it's Bucky Irving

1036
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: at RB one. In the Year two models. This is

1037
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: all guys who came out last year. It's Tyrone Tracy

1038
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: at RB two, and then there's just this massive, massive

1039
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: and and Ray Davis is sitting there at RB three

1040
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: in the Year two models. So I think given the

1041
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: fact that they are not investing you know, or they

1042
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: may not invest at the position. Maybe something weird goes

1043
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: on with James Cook and he wants to hold out

1044
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: or something like. There's there's outs for Ray and obviously

1045
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: injury right like just handcuff upside, Like, there's some outs

1046
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: for Ray Davis, and he showed big playability last year

1047
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: and his journey comparables are kind of interesting too. You

1048
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: get Roshawn Johnson, Okay, that's not that great. You get

1049
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: DeVante Freeman, who obviously you know, came on you know,

1050
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: early in his career, and then Truba Hubbard was another one.

1051
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: So I'm intrigued enough to throw that dart.

1052
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: We'll say that.

1053
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, Buffalo really is a tea.

1054
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 4: I mean they want to run the ball, and I mean

1055
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 4: they showed that in the playoffs down the stretches in

1056
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: the regular season where you had Josh Allen in the

1057
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: MVP conversation and they threw and they had to. But

1058
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: for the most part that offense was built around the

1059
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 4: running game. So yeah, I think it would probably take

1060
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 4: the real thorn in Ray Davis aside is probably I mean,

1061
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 4: obviously James cooks ahead of him. That's gonna happen when

1062
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: you're a year two guy sometimes, but uh, it's really

1063
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 4: just how well Ty Johnson has played as the Like

1064
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 4: it's like Jesus Tid Johnson, I'd be that that catching

1065
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 4: the against the Broncos in the playoffs, and then he

1066
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 4: read up for a small contract, so he's probably gonna

1067
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 4: be there. But that, like you said, that also means

1068
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 4: Buffalo likely not to invest.

1069
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: In a running back.

1070
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's kind of a kind of reminds me

1071
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: of the situation in uh with the Jets, where you know,

1072
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 4: it's like they have three guys and I think you right, Sorry, that.

1073
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: Was another dude.

1074
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 2: I could have brought Isaiah Davis up to ye, Like, yeah,

1075
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: Davis was if you look on a per rush basis,

1076
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: Davis was the best Jets back last year just in

1077
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: terms of like per rush efficiency and stuff. Now, obviously

1078
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: you know there's a lot more to it than that,

1079
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: But like Brailen ol, I feel like, do you agree

1080
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: that people have like a crazy anchoring bias with Braylen

1081
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: Allen think because he was he was not good last year.

1082
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: He had no like there was not a lot going

1083
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: Like when you look at his season long numbers, he

1084
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: just started off really hot. And people kind of just

1085
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: like anchored to that and thought that he was like

1086
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: better than Breece Hall. But you know, I'm not surprised

1087
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: that there's talk about the committee. I even said it

1088
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Speaker 2: in my in the guide that I wrote Isaiah Davis's

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Speaker 2: blurb up in February, and I said it could be

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Speaker 2: we could see a clean slate approach because of the

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Speaker 2: new coaching staff, and maybe they do run more of

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Speaker 2: a committee. And Isaiah Davis was someone that I liked

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Speaker 2: a lot as a prospect. Now he's stepping in he

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Speaker 2: could be part of a committee. Maybe we'll see.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I'm all about throwing darts of talented players.

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Speaker 4: I totally agree that's exactly where I'm gonna go about.

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Speaker 4: I was not to say, like, if we're going with

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Speaker 4: a Davis in a three way backfield, I alsos epect

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Speaker 4: Isaia even more just because yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 4: that the thing about Braymen Allen is another thing that

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Speaker 4: really helps Davis is that Brayman Allen is not your

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Speaker 4: typical passing down back right. So if Breest Hall were

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Speaker 4: to go down, and we saw this even at times

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Speaker 4: last year, Isaiah Davis got a lot more work than

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Speaker 4: Uh like that then was projected by the you know,

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Speaker 4: betting markets the fantasy community. So yeah, I I totally

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Speaker 4: agree on that. I'm looking at Isaiah Davis as well.

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Speaker 4: This was great.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna wrap it for us here on the Fantasy Flex.

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Speaker 4: Uh. JJ, once again, thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 4: on and uh plug whatever you got going on where

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Speaker 4: people could find.

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Speaker 1: You for all of you are your great work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Man.

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Speaker 2: Over on late round dot com, you can check out

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Speaker 2: the prospect guide for Seal renown and I will be

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Speaker 2: updating that guide the final night. You'll get an update

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Speaker 2: the final night of the NFL drafts, so you can

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's really great and uh you can

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Speaker 4: write man, that's why I've seen the word cognizant in there.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, this is not AI.

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Speaker 4: Yeah man nah, but seriously, it's it's it's great stuff

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Speaker 4: and uh, you know, we are thankful as a community

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Speaker 4: to have you as a part of it. So everybody

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Speaker 4: make sure you go check out Lateround dot com, check

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