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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. A little

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Speaker 1: turkey gobble there for you Thanksgiving. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: call it Turkey Day as well. I think because we

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Speaker 1: need a lot of turkey that day, and since everyone's

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Speaker 1: so focused on the bird, I figured I might as

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Speaker 1: well do a podcast to set the record straight. This week,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be talking about how elk hunting is absolutely

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Speaker 1: not like turkey hunting. Well, there might be similarities in

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Speaker 1: calling the physical hunting of them is very different. As

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Speaker 1: a guide, I find that most of the hunters who

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Speaker 1: have not hunted elk are they're pretty much indoctrinated to

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Speaker 1: think that the two are nearly the same, and those

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Speaker 1: hunters come completely unprepared in my mind, So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to honor the turkey today by saying they're very fun

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Speaker 1: to hunt, but the hunt is different than elk hunting.

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Speaker 1: All kinds of hunting has crossover tactics. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: break down the things that every new or veteran hunter

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Speaker 1: needs to know about chasing the elusive bull elk. But

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Speaker 1: before we do that, I want to tell a funny

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Speaker 1: story of the ball cap turkey. When I first started

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Speaker 1: guiding elk hunters, a very popular theme that I didn't

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Speaker 1: really realize was the thing. It's like a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys would show up and they did never elk kund

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Speaker 1: and be like, oh, elk hunting is just like turkey hunting,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, man, where is the where is

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Speaker 1: eyone getting this? But at the time, it seemed like

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Speaker 1: nearly every article was relating turkeys and elk tactics, so

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Speaker 1: it's like, if you turkey hunt, these are tactics that

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Speaker 1: you use for elk. And what they neglected to talk

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Speaker 1: people would show up and in their mind elk hunting

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Speaker 1: and turkey hunting were nearly identical, like, you do the

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Speaker 1: same thing that you would do turkey hunting to chase elk,

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Speaker 1: and about in the first fifteen minutes of elk hunting,

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Speaker 1: people are like, wow, this is completely different. This is

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Speaker 1: nothing like turkey hunting. And the major factor in there

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Speaker 1: is inserting large mountains and large distances to go over. Yes,

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Speaker 1: turkeys call, yes, elk call. But outside of that very

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Speaker 1: few similarities. The actual hunt, the actual physical physicality of

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Speaker 1: chasing elk is so much different than most people. By

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Speaker 1: the midday of the first day, we're like, this is

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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing like turkey hunting. And I think that that

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Speaker 1: shoot turkeys all over the place, and this was his

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Speaker 1: first eltcome. He's just you know, everything, Like I mean,

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Speaker 1: we all have those certain things that we love to hunt.

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Speaker 1: We grew up hunting, obsessed about hunting. I would say,

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Speaker 1: this guy was a turkey nut to the fullest. And

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Speaker 1: so he's like, yeah, you know, I really want to

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Speaker 1: turkey hunting all this stuff. And I'm like, yep, you know.

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Speaker 1: go out the first day and it's just like bull bugles, bugle,

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Speaker 1: bull bugles, I'm like, it's like turkey in, you know,

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Speaker 1: at this point it is, it's like gobble, gobble, here

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Speaker 1: we go, right, And then it was one of those

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Speaker 1: We gotta get here, we gotta try to cut them

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Speaker 1: off because calling the bull to us isn't gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: We've got a million miles of public land. We can

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Speaker 1: go anywhere we want, and we're gonna go everywhere those

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Speaker 1: out go and the chases on so moving, trying to call,

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Speaker 1: and it's just like one of those dogging all day chase. Move.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, move, gets set up and then

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Speaker 1: And I was like, around here, we don't really turkey hunt,

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Speaker 1: um not, because like there's just other things chase chase

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Speaker 1: no way, no way, turkeys are dumb. He's like he's like,

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Speaker 1: I I just can't agree with that, Like the turkey

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Speaker 1: the ball cap turkey. All week we're just joking around

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Speaker 1: And in this part where we were at a lot

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Speaker 1: of ball cap turkeys. Now, I don't want anyone to

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Speaker 1: think that I don't enjoy turkey ending, but I like

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Speaker 1: to tell those kind of stories. It's fun because I

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Speaker 1: like to think of l hunting much like elk hunting,

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Speaker 1: and there's a few tactics and a lot of differences

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Speaker 1: that if you understand the differences and hunt elk like elk,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be a lot more successful. So I thought

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Speaker 1: it'd be fun to just kind of do a play

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Speaker 1: on the elk hunting is like turkey hunting and talk

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Speaker 1: elk hunting. I think whether you're a veteran hunter, whether

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Speaker 1: because you love hunting turkeys, which is absolutely the truth

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Speaker 1: of if you enjoy that interaction of calling animals, September

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Speaker 1: elk hunting and spring turkey hunting has that same kind

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Speaker 1: of excitement level of we're calling something in we're conversing

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Speaker 1: with the animal. Those similarities are very true. But I

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Speaker 1: those differences for elk. So the first thing that is

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Speaker 1: different between elk and turkeys is elk don't roost in trees.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they bed, sometimes they feed but understanding what an

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Speaker 1: play during the daytime. And I think that's a tactic

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Speaker 1: What I mean by that is, you know, think about this,

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Speaker 1: like what elk generally do in the mornings and evenings

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Speaker 1: what's your next play? Well, you're gonna have to make

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Speaker 1: what the like, how those elk are going to act

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Speaker 1: are essentially going to be in the timber early the

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Speaker 1: next day or moving, like maybe they'll be in a

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Speaker 1: to probably expect them somewhere different? So knowing what play

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Speaker 1: the factors. So when it elk comes out and feeds

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Speaker 1: the feed and then they'll wake up, they'll continue to feed,

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Speaker 1: and they'll move off into cover. There are times though,

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Speaker 1: the open um and calling and just not moving, but um,

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Speaker 1: you can get into positions where you need to get

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Speaker 1: set up to make that shot. When it comes to elk,

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Speaker 1: kind of like being able to set up correctly when

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Speaker 1: a bull might be coming in is huge, And I

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Speaker 1: think what happens is a lot of people get timid

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Speaker 1: because there's like a cow ninety yards over here feeding

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Speaker 1: and she's not really paying attention, but they see that

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Speaker 1: other animal, like I can't move, Um, they freeze and

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Speaker 1: in like instead of getting in a good position or

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Speaker 1: worried about spooking that cow, that might catch a little

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Speaker 1: bit of movement in the timber. And the odds are

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Speaker 1: if you watch the eyes of the elk, if you

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Speaker 1: put their eyes behind something, you've got enough cover and

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Speaker 1: you can move kind of like do that undetected movement

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Speaker 1: if they can't. If you can't see their eye, they

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Speaker 1: can't see you, and kind of edging on did I

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Speaker 1: would say, edging on the level of dangerous just to

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Speaker 1: get into a good position. Go for it. If I know, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to I could potentially like um, maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: like spook a cow or something, but I need to

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Speaker 1: get into this better position. I opt for going for

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Speaker 1: that better position because I found that a lot of success,

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Speaker 1: especially when it comes to calling elk or whatever, is

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Speaker 1: just being in the right position. And sometimes you have

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Speaker 1: to move around and get into that position. And you

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Speaker 1: can do that by observing the eyes of the animals,

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Speaker 1: and then you can get away with a little bit

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Speaker 1: more knowing that their eyesight is good, but it's probably

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Speaker 1: not their best defense. Now, if you're out in the

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Speaker 1: wide open and you're just doing something stupid. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: going to see you and run away. That is a

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Speaker 1: very likely scenario. But for the most part, I try

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Speaker 1: to kind of like hedge my bets. I say what's

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Speaker 1: better to blow them out or to not be in position?

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Speaker 1: And sometimes you might say, oh, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: blow them out, But I try to find those scenarios

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Speaker 1: where it's like, I'm not gonna blow them out. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to move and get into the right spot.

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Speaker 1: But also when that bowl comes in, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be in the good spot to make that shot. And

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Speaker 1: I found a lot of success doing that. Well. I

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Speaker 1: hope everybody enjoyed that podcast. I just want to say

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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving again. Hopefully you're enjoying your family today. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you're going out hunting. I know for my family, it's

471
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Speaker 1: a big tradition to go hunting, And another big tradition

472
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Speaker 1: is cooking wild game during Thanksgiving. So as a extra

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Speaker 1: little bonus, I uploaded a video one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: ways to prepare venison. Could be white tail, could be elk,

475
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Speaker 1: could be access to here, it doesn't matter what you've got,

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Speaker 1: could be wild pig. One of my favorite ways to

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Speaker 1: prepare it, especially around the holidays, Thanksgiving and Christmas. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of like the stuffed loin. So on my remy

479
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Speaker 1: worn YouTube channel, I got a new video up there,

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Speaker 1: my stuff to loin recipe. It's definitely a crowd pleaser

481
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Speaker 1: one that every but he really enjoys. So if you

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Speaker 1: get some time, want to check that out or want

483
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Speaker 1: to find a cool way to make some venison this

484
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving added in spice it up a little bit. Uh,

485
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Speaker 1: definitely go check that out. I appreciate you all listening.

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Speaker 1: Next week, we're gonna be doing one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: kind of episodes, which is the Q and A. So

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Speaker 1: make sure to get your questions in. Um, because I've

489
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Speaker 1: been in and out of service a lot lately hunting seasons,

490
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Speaker 1: still kind of rolling around, still guiding them, Like I

491
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Speaker 1: find that the message has kind of been getting buried

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Speaker 1: the way that I've been doing it. I used to

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Speaker 1: just say, send me a message on Instagram. Then when

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Speaker 1: I see one pop up, I screenshot it, but I

495
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Speaker 1: have trouble refinding them again. So UM, We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: it a little bit different this week. It's I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put a post up today on just like ask your question,

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Speaker 1: then you can ask your question in that post, so

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Speaker 1: I can just find it there on Instagram. Still, I

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Speaker 1: know there's it's not the most perfect way to do it,

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Speaker 1: but I'll do it that way. And then, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you don't feel like asking a question, but there's

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Speaker 1: a question on there that you see that you want,

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Speaker 1: like it because then I can rank it like top comments,

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Speaker 1: and then I can do those ones, and then maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll scroll through and find something that I just find

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Speaker 1: enjoyable as well or really want to answer, and also

508
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Speaker 1: feel free to ask. Like it doesn't have to be

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Speaker 1: a lengthy question. It could just be a short question

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Speaker 1: of like a quick answer if you if you've got

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Speaker 1: any like you know, maybe we can get some quick

512
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Speaker 1: hitters in there as well, if you just rapid fire

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Speaker 1: question type of things. And oh also I would say

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Speaker 1: if you are leaving a question on there, because it

515
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Speaker 1: is kind of you know, anybody can see those leave

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Speaker 1: out your units or whatever. I I never want to

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Speaker 1: put somebody's spot on blast. I know some people don't

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Speaker 1: really think of it like that, but there is enough

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Speaker 1: people that read it maybe say, oh, I was hunting

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Speaker 1: in this unit in New Mexico saw a lot of

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Speaker 1: good bulls. I was like, I always leave that out

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Speaker 1: of the direct message questions, So um, just leave it

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Speaker 1: out and then we don't have to worry about putting

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Speaker 1: somebody's spot on blast. Whether it's somewhere you hunt a

525
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Speaker 1: lot or somewhere you hunting for the first time, just

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Speaker 1: ask the question regardless of the unit, because it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit um. The tactic will be the same. I

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Speaker 1: don't need to know exactly where you're at, and I

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Speaker 1: think that would be good. I appreciate you all for listening,

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Speaker 1: checking in, tuning in sending the questions, looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: This will be definitely the last Q and A of

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Speaker 1: the year, maybe the last Q and A, so we

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Speaker 1: need to make sure that if you want, if you've

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Speaker 1: got any burning questions, get them in on this one.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate everyone. Happy Thanksgiving, and I'm just gonna end

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Speaker 1: it with