1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And a majority of Americans have a 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: negative view of billionaires spending more money to buy elections, 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: according to a Washington Post IPSOS poll. We have such 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: a great show for you today. Author of Evil Geniuses 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Kurt Anderson stops by to talk about Trump, saying the 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: Democrats should be hung. Then we'll talk to Aten ben 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: about her run for Congress in a swing district in Tennessee. 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 2: But first the news, Milly. Let's remember the Heritage Foundation 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: are not known for being very woke. They wrote Project 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and particularly they really really really do 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: not like immigration. Guess what. They're not happy with mister Trump. 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are not happy with mister Trump. This is 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: a really interesting phenomenon because we talk a lot about 16 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: the Trump administration being bad at what they do. We 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: don't talk a lot about the Trump administration being so 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 1: bad at what they do that it being the only 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: thing standing between us and complete disaster. This is extremely important. 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: The Trump administration is being blasted by the Heritage Foundation 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: for how little they're deporting people and we see this 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: with Christy Gnome, is that they're very interested in the 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: optics of deportation, but they're not so interested in the 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: actual deportation. And so we find ourselves in a moment 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: where the only thing that is helping us, the poor, 26 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: sad American people who are being pretty much we're sort 27 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: of victims of this Republican admin is the fact that 28 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: this crew is really bad at what they do. And 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: in fact, it's like an amazing thing, what Heritage says. 30 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: And by the way, I am in no way endorsing Heritage, really, 31 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: you me certainly not says. I mean, this is like 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: some good writing. I respect good writing. The American people 33 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: voted for mass deportations, they're getting mass communications instead, ha ha. 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Mike cow the Poet Laureate of the Heritage Foundation, Samali. 35 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: One of the things I think is funniest about the 36 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: Trump administration is basically, since like let's call it day two, 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 2: they've been like, we need a little patience with this economy. 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: Yesterday we had JD. Van saying the thing that I 39 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: had asked for the American people is a little bit 40 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 2: of patience. Why do we need patients? Because Crypto, which 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: apparently our whole economy is built. 42 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: On now pretty much. 43 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: It wiped out four hundred billion dollars in wealth this week. 44 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: I am just completely shocked that crypto is so unstable. 45 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: You know how many people we've had on this podcast 46 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: where they've been like, you know, crypto's just a scam. 47 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: And by the way, I say this to my husband, 48 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: who's very smart, I said, crypto is basically a scam, right, 49 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: and he goes, well, so is the dollar. So I mean, 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: I guess you could go back and say that. 51 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: You're not doing well in your argument with it's what about. 52 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: ISA, Yeah, exactly, though we like it. It's not just 53 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: Bitcoin though, virtually all coins. All of these fake currencies 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: are crashing at the same time. So it turns out 55 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: I wonder how trump coin is doing. I'm sure trump 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: coin is much much more stable because it's backed by 57 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: the United States of Trome our King. 58 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: I was going to say, for as long as the 59 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: Saudias are making money on oil, I feel like it's 60 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: a little more stable than many others. 61 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: Now, all of these coins are crashing because they're and 62 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: and by the way, let's just add in someone who 63 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: knows what they're talking about. This unlimited fun. CEO Bob 64 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: Elliott notes Friday morning, the selloff and bitcoin is mirroring 65 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: recent weakness and stocks with much more extreme action because 66 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: it's so unstable. But in fact, this is possibly the 67 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: beginning of more of a bear and less of a ball. Mark. 68 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't imagine when you withhold jobs reports, why 69 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: people lose faith in the economy and want to hold 70 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: their money from silly things. I can't imagine. 71 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 1: The September jobs came in better than expected. Nobody knows 72 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: about October or November, but September good for September. That 73 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: was months ago. 74 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: Smike. When we last left Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: he seemed a little shook. I may have made some 76 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: disparaging comments about his demeanor. Well, it seems that I 77 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 2: was picking up a cent of lack of confidence because 78 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: he's going to make it harder for discharge petitions to happen. 79 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is like he's so spiteful. I like 80 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: his pettiness. First of all, I think let's just remember 81 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: that discharge petitions are extremely hard to get past. In fact, 82 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green during their press conference, said that there 83 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: is a four percent chance of getting a discharge petition 84 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: which succeeds. 85 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: Look at you quoting your best ee. 86 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: Oh shut the fuck anyway. But the point is they're 87 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: very hard to get to succeed because basically you have 88 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: to go around the leadership and they're set up in 89 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: a way to have trouble succeeding. Now, Mike Johnson is 90 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: pretty mad because he got God right, like Thomas Massey 91 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: and Rocan were able to get him. They were able 92 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: to get this piece of legislation around him, and now 93 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: he's he's salty, he's bitter, he's mad. And again it's 94 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: worth realizing, like Mike Johnson is not good at this. 95 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: Mike Johnson got this job because Donald Trump needed someone 96 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: who would just sign off on all his bullshit, right, 97 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: because there were other people who were in line for 98 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: this job who were insufficiently sycophantic, and those guys did 99 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: not get this job. And so we find ourselves in 100 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: this situation. I think that it is very stupid that 101 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: Mike Johnson wants to go after discharge petitions. Now, Mike 102 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: Johnson is also doing this because he he's the writing 103 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: on the wall Hall. This is like such a function 104 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: of him being a bad leader. There's another discharge petition 105 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: that just hit the two hundred and eighteen signature threshold. 106 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: You have to like basically a veto provement. It's not 107 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: quite a mutail proof for Jori, but you need to 108 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: have two hundred and eighteen. You have to have quite 109 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: a lot of Congressmen sign on to this in order 110 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: to work. And now there's another one. A discharge petition 111 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: is two hundred and eighteen and it's led by Jared Golden. 112 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: Jared Golden is this rural Democrat who's not running again. 113 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: He is very concerned with working people, and so it 114 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: would restore union rights for thousands of federal workers. It 115 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: has only and again this is important to realize and 116 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: also a function of Mike Johnson. Only seven discharge petitions 117 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: have successfully signed into law since nineteen thirty five, but 118 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: three of them have come in just last two years. 119 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: Wild So you might remember Trump's loyalty question for federal workers. 120 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: Federal workers are now asking a judge to block them 121 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: on their application questions. Because you'll be shocked here, this 122 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: is pretty fucking silly. 123 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: This is like not what we do in this country. 124 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: And this is one of the problems that Trump World 125 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: has is that they're constantly trying to figure out a 126 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: way to do like these like low key authoritarian things 127 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: in an American democracy. And this is a great example 128 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: of how it doesn't work for them, Like there is 129 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: no world in which judges are going to be like, yes, 130 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: you can do loyalty oaths and again like this is 131 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: a problem with Trump World, is that they constantly are 132 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: trying to do things that are like not within the 133 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: norms and institutions. Kurt Anderson is the author of Evil 134 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: Geniuses and Fantasyland. At Kurt Anderson him Molly, I'm going 135 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: to read you a quote about hanging democrats. Let's start 136 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: with this Reuters. This is a tweet from Ed o'keith 137 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: at CBS per Reuters all caps. Trump does not want 138 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: to execute members of Congress, Comma white House says, discuss. 139 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: Well and in their in their walk backs, such as 140 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: they were from miss Levitt on it's it's always been no. 141 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: But which is to say, you know they were, Yes, 142 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: they were basically traders and horrible is as awful. 143 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: First of all, so this comes from Donald Trump saying 144 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: retweeting tweets that said he wanted to x write it 145 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: is this from a retweet or is this from well 146 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: he said. 147 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: He said they were seditious and treasonous. These senators and 148 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: congress people got together who who were military veterans, some 149 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: of them veterans, saying, you know, we're just reminding everybody 150 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: in the service and they are all trained on this 151 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: from you know, not just officers, but enlisted people that 152 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: you know, there are such a thing as illegal orders 153 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 3: and you are obliged not to follow them. Now, So 154 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 3: that's how they were doing, and you know, you know, good, 155 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: all right, and and he wasn't saying, you know the 156 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: thing And then the thing is about that McCallum on 157 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: Fox which you're interviewing Jason Crow said, well, there were 158 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: any specifics, what were your specifics that they should disobey, 159 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: Which is just a stupid question on so many levels, 160 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 3: because of course they're not going to say and here 161 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 3: are the specific things that Trump may do that you 162 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 3: should disobey the words so and if it said well 163 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: the specifics of like maybe you should rethink, maybe you're 164 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: going to be in trouble for blowing up these random 165 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 3: votes in the Caribbean, that would be worse, much worse, 166 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 3: and interfer you with an ongoing military operation. So anyway, 167 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 3: it's ridiculous, it won't happen. It's just it's just more dangerous, 168 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: extreme crazy bullshit that it could indeed inspire. 169 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: Someone someone to do something really bad, to. 170 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 3: Do something terrible. It is one more thing that we 171 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: are supposed to jump at and go, oh, my god. 172 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 3: And of course, in this case, because it is in 173 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: the realm of to me, his most horrific and frightening instincts, 174 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: which you know, we must take literally as well curiously, 175 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: which is this militarization of American life and American politics, 176 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: an American governance, and American everything else. He is serious 177 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: about that, obviously. And so this particular thing isn't going 178 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: to happen anytime soon. But it shouldn't it by itself, 179 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: as seeing I should not have a long life as 180 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: a thing we talk about. 181 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: I want to direct you though, to the idea here, 182 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: which is that members of Congress who served in the 183 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: military did this video saying don't do a legal stuff 184 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to, which seems like an obvious kind 185 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: of thing, but is very necessary when Trump is operating 186 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: the federal government and Donald Trump says it's edition the 187 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: answer to sedition would be not now. But it used 188 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: to be that that was a crime punished by punishable 189 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: by some kind of military execution. And Trump is saying 190 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: this because he's angry. Now. I wonder if you could 191 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: talk about the world in which a person like this 192 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: comes from, because you have covered this world nauseum, especially 193 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: during the time that Donald Trump was becoming Donald Trump. 194 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: It feels like something from someone who has studied at 195 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: the foot of a guy called roy Cone. 196 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I was thinking of somebody else connected or 197 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: at loose to contemporary roy Cones when I was thinking 198 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: about Trump and this stuff today, which is who that 199 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 3: will get into our other conversation. 200 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 4: That I think, you know, wait on Moley, but be 201 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 4: scary was really effectively part of the roy Cone advice, 202 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: along with deny and attack, attack and all those things. 203 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: But be as scary as you can. And so I 204 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: mean he has said before. I mean, this is really 205 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 3: not the first time he's gone to these places like 206 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: General Millie that you know, Charmer and the Joint Chiefs. 207 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: Under Trump in his first term he has said should 208 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: be hung as a trader. And this the other thing 209 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: about this, it's not new that he does this. What's new, 210 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: of course, is the last ten months where he's sending 211 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: ice certainly and also uniform military people into cities to 212 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 3: hang around, to scare, to show he's a strong man. 213 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 3: So I barely want to get into the political ramifications 214 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 3: of him doing this, which is to say, well, well, 215 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: it won't this drive some people that think like he 216 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: is not we've got to get rid of him. Maybe, 217 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: but we'll see. I don't know, but it is. It is, 218 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: as you say, it's purely his angry thing. He saw 219 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: this video. It's a well made, serious ad short and 220 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: to the point, doesn't mention him, doesn't mention this administration, 221 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: doesn't mention any specific things that this administration has done 222 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: in terms of sending military in the cities or blowing 223 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: up random boats that are ostensibly drug traffickers boats. But 224 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 3: it goes without saying so, and that he knew, he 225 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: understood where it was coming from, and I'm sure he 226 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: understood how potent it is, how affective, how these National 227 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 3: Security CIA veteran people from Lysislock into Mark Kelly and 228 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: Jason Crow and all the rest are really effective, you know, 229 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: non weak, non left wing democratic lunatics in any sense speakers, 230 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: so he felt it and good. I'm glad he did, 231 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: because it's it's a good thing. And again it was 232 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 3: whoever came up with this idea to me, among those Democrats, 233 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: it was brilliant, brilliantly conceived and brilliantly done. 234 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the origin story of trump Ism 235 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: for a minute, because we find our man in, you know, 236 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: obsessed with cats, obsessed with Phantom of the Opera, obsessed 237 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: with the world, and which he comes oh. 238 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: Interesting, interesting choices, which is you know, and I don't 239 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: want to get into any kind of homophobia on this, 240 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 3: but it is, it is these theory is important. And 241 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: indeed this kind of strong man view of I am King, 242 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: which you know, back in the day it's my magazine, 243 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 3: we used to make fun of him for imagining a 244 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: kind of kingly superhero, among other things, you know. And 245 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 3: I think of his origins and coming of age in 246 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: the nineteen seventy sixties and seventy eighties, and I think 247 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: of the dictators of the time, the people who actually 248 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: did do these you know, send in and execute people 249 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: who shoot down protesters and all those things. I think 250 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: of their esthetic because of what he's done in these 251 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 3: last weeks and months of tearing down the East wing 252 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: and putting up this, and putting up these gold do 253 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: dads all over the Oval office, and now putting up 254 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: gold dude ads in his new residential Hall of Fame 255 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: on the west Wind Colonnade, which is insane on many levels. 256 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 3: But it's in addition to itsself moarification. You know this, 257 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: this shiny golden metal sign and the shiny golden do 258 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 3: dads around the portraits of presidents. And by the way, 259 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: why do you a need it b need to call 260 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: it a hall of fame? Well, presidents are all famous. 261 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: I could go on, but it is so typical of 262 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: these kinds of Middle Eastern Southwest Asian worldwide, the dictators 263 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 3: who build giant palaces to themselves, right, and you know 264 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: the esthetic of the super gold rococo shiny golden thing 265 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: is his esthetic. You know. Look, from the beginning eighties 266 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: is when we started spy magacine. Right, apologies for ranting, 267 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: but it's it's you're treating me into my into recovered memories. 268 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: But you know he finishes Trump Tower eighty four, moves 269 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: into his incredibly lavishly golden, cheesy vulgar triplex which is 270 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: one of the one of the main sources of what 271 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: we started calling him again and again and again and 272 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: again back in spy Magacine, which is short fingered Bulgarian 273 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Right, it is this eighties rich guy of 274 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: a certain kind, of a certain old you know, it's 275 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: not just Long Island, but you know Long Island Queen's kind. 276 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: And you know he buys mar A lago In at 277 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: eighty five and starts, you know, tarting it up more 278 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: he becomes. And this is the thing I always have 279 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: thought about him. In connection to this gets back to 280 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: the Roy Kohane connection is Liberaci. You may be too young, 281 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: Molly to remember Rocchi, but he was this extraordinary Las 282 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: Vegas pianist singer who had been famous for decades, really 283 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: famous at a really big Vegas star and incredibly campy, 284 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: and of course was not an out gay man, but 285 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: was a high league gay man, you know, big hair, 286 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: new and fancy clothes and gold and everything. Played a 287 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 3: golden piano on stage. I encourage any listeners who don't 288 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: know who he is to get images of him and 289 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 3: his surroundings and ooling and interiors. It's very Donald Trump. 290 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: It is extremely Donald Trump. He died in nineteen eighty seven, 291 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: right shortly before he died as as by the way, 292 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: as Roy con was also dying, Trump went out of 293 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: his way to become friends with him, gave him a 294 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 3: condo at Trump Tower, went shopping with him. I mean 295 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: they were buddies, shopping buddies, and you know, and again 296 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 3: not just to say, oh he's vulgar, Well he is, 297 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 3: but it also has struck me all along and in 298 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: the Trump presidency, says part of his authentic seeming connection 299 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 3: to a large part of his builder base is this. 300 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 3: I know it's elite of me. 301 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: But rich. Yeah, I know. 302 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 3: It's one bit of popular authentic populism. Yeah, cheesy taste. 303 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 5: Right. 304 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: So anyway back to strong men, and they're aesthetic, you know, 305 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: I think of the the Golden Palace dictators who are 306 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: what happens to them? Then oh they're deposed and they're 307 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: good regime. 308 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: Right. But I'm gonna I'm gonna prevent you from going there, 309 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: and just we're going to just talk about for a 310 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: minute what the sort of mentality is. So we have 311 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: a seventy nineyear old Donald Trump. He comes from Roy Cohen, 312 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: he comes from a world of when they attack you, 313 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: you punch back twice as hard because you're a gangster, right, 314 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: because you're a gangster. So I wonder, you know, clearly 315 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: this is not working on a broader scale. We see 316 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: this in America, right, they just got creamed in the 317 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five cycle. We'd see you know, people like 318 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green going like, maybe this is not what 319 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: I signed up for. Like this strikes me as the 320 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: sort of third act of this play. So I wonder 321 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: if you could inform us with some of the things 322 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: that happened in the first act that you think might 323 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: in some way shed a light on how this goes. 324 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean, my man is seventy nine, it's been along, 325 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: you know, the last forty plus years have been rough 326 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: for all of us. 327 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: Well, in the first act, I mean he again he 328 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: was who he is then in terms of the bully, 329 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 3: the lies, the gaudiness, the exaggerations beyond anything imaginable. All 330 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: that in his first act ended with his bankruptcies and 331 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 3: being close to personal bankruptcy. But certainly, you know, bankrupting 332 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 3: several of his casino businesses. So it ended with that, 333 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 3: and he was caned out of the picture. Except as 334 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: a guy who would attach his name to, you know, 335 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: apartment complexes around the country until he got his TV show, 336 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: which was of course, his The Apprentice, which was his 337 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: second act. So he went down and he was real, 338 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: He really went down. And you know, in a more 339 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: you know, an easily alter timeline, he would have disappeared 340 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: in the nineties and oughts, and you know, he was 341 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 3: Whatever happened to Donald Trump would be a thing said 342 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 3: in this century. It worked out differently because of reality TV, 343 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: which is, you know, in a larger sense, one of 344 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: the horrors of our age. 345 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: Do you think do you think the original sin of 346 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: trump Ism is reality television? 347 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 3: I think reality television was doing bad things to American culture. 348 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: That was part of the softening up the ground for 349 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 3: Donald Trump too, finally, after flirting with and saying he 350 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: was gonna run for president in nineteen eighty eight, in 351 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: ninety two, and ninety six, in two thousand, like he 352 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: was part of the softening up the ground to allow 353 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 3: that to happen and take place. Sure, the blurring of 354 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 3: reality and fiction into an indistinguishable mess was and and 355 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 3: was part of it, as was the ultimate American thing 356 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: which had started decades before which is being famous for 357 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 3: being famous. He became famous for being famous. He never Yeah, 358 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 3: he built a couple of buildings in the nineteen eighties, 359 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: you know, as New York was coming out of his bankruptcy. 360 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 3: Well good for him, but that's what he did. I mean, 361 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: you know, you know at starting with any who, you know, 362 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: he did it for nothing, well virtually nothing, four hundred 363 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 3: million dollars back then, which was a lot of money. 364 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 365 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 3: But reality TV is you know, made him what he 366 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: used today and even beyond that terrible piece of collateral 367 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 3: damage of reality television was from from when it started 368 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 3: at the very turn of the century through this century, 369 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: but especially those first ten to fifteen years of this century, 370 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: you know, of net very bad thing for America. I 371 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: had no problems with, say The Bachelorette, but right, yeah, 372 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 3: you know reality TV is no good. 373 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah it's true. 374 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 3: But before you let me go, I have I have 375 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: to give you my my again my or my full 376 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 3: reverie on the strong Man and what happens to them 377 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: and if so, if this is the third act, and 378 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 3: and and what I hope will happen, what I believe 379 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 3: will happen, is he will leave office and be more 380 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: of an angry lame duck as the three years gone. 381 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 3: God knows what he will do in the meantime as 382 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 3: he acts out and slips into whatever mental neurological abyss 383 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 3: he's He has always been on the precipice up, but 384 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 3: he will be out. However, there are many worst case 385 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: scenarios about how this might and could all end. And 386 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 3: again I don't hope that it ends in any any 387 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: way but the normal, constitutional, lawful way. But I think 388 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: just in terms of a I don't know, almost fictional, novelistic, 389 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: poetic parallel about these other strong men with their palaces 390 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 3: in Saddan, who's saying when you know fell and we 391 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 3: had weeks of looking at these golden palaces and Kada 392 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 3: after him and Assad a year ago. Almost now we're 393 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: almost at the anniversary of Asad being driven from what 394 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 3: his palace is by his army failing to protect him 395 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 3: in his government regime. 396 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: Colepsic, Kurt Anderson, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. 397 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: Jin Ben represents the fifty first district of Tennessee's House 398 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: of Representatives since twenty twenty three and is running in 399 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five special election for Tennessee's fourths congressional district. 400 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: So welcome to Fast Politics. 401 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 6: Thank you. It's excited to be here. 402 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: We're excited to have you. So talk to me about 403 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: your race, what you're running for. 404 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, So this is for a special congressional election in Tennessee, 405 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 5: the Tennessee seventh. It is the last flippable red to 406 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 5: blue district in the entire country. For your listeners and 407 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 5: your audience, Nashville was a consolidated Democratic district and following 408 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 5: redistricting efforts in twenty twenty, they cut it up into 409 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 5: three Republican. 410 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 6: Districts and this is one of those. 411 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 5: And so the opportunity is in front of us in 412 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 5: that this is an R plus twenty district and we 413 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 5: have been able to close the margin, shrink the margins 414 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 5: by six points, which was last month, and our early 415 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 5: vote data is coming back and it shows us within 416 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 5: four points. 417 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. So how did you do that? 418 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 5: It's an amalgamation of things. One, the momentum, right, So, 419 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 5: two weeks ago we saw Democrats running on affordability be 420 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 5: successful across the country, talking about issues that relate to 421 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 5: the cost of living. In the chaos of Washington, and 422 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 5: on that momentum we've seen just so much interest in 423 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 5: a state like Tennessee. Too, is that I'm a community organizer, 424 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 5: and so I spent the last decade building the ecosystem 425 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 5: and infrastructure we need to leverage to actually win elections 426 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 5: in this state. And so I was the indivisible organizer 427 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 5: for three years in Tennessee and built all these indivisible 428 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 5: groups that are now knocking do orders and contacting voters 429 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 5: to get us cross the finish line. And then three 430 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 5: is the Republican agenda. Economic agenda has not delivered for 431 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 5: working people in Tennessee. And there's a lot of fragmentation 432 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 5: and fracturing we're seeing right now with the Republican Party. 433 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 5: And I think people are very sick of the chaos 434 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 5: of Washington and the cost of living, and they're giving 435 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 5: a candidate like me a. 436 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: Chance unbelievably cool, like I'm even without words. So you 437 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: started these invisible groups, so you people know you in 438 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: Tennessee and activists know you, and just explain to us 439 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: how it works, because I think people don't quite understand 440 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: how you can do something like this. 441 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 5: When Trump was elected the first time, I decided to 442 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 5: move back to my home state of Tennessee, and I 443 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 5: got a community organizing job. 444 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: Wow. I want to pause for a second because like, 445 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, did you ever know like the Arena 446 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: that group the Arena, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. They 447 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: used to always say like go back to where you're from. 448 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: And around Trump's election the first time, I too had 449 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: that same kind of thing where I was like, holy shit, 450 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: my whole life, like how did I let this happen? 451 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: So anyway, so talk us to what happened then. 452 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 453 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 5: So I was actually working at the un when Trump 454 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 5: was elected or just come off a contract in Europe 455 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 5: and decided to move back to Tennessee, and my parents 456 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 5: were super upset, and I was like, mom, dad, I 457 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 5: want to get involved in Tennessee politics. And my mom 458 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 5: so upset she had to be escorted out of the restaurant. 459 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 5: And the job I got was for a nonprofit law 460 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 5: firm that just got money to hire an organizer because 461 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 5: of the Affordable Care Act and Medicaid cuts the twenty 462 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 5: seventh Medicaid fight, so I was out in the hollers 463 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 5: of the seventh District raising awareness about Medicaid cuts to 464 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 5: rural hospitals, talking to public healthcare officials about what would 465 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 5: happen if subsidies for the Affordable Care Act or cut 466 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 5: lo and behold, it feels like groundhog Day because now 467 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 5: those cuts are actualized through the passage of the Big 468 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 5: Ugly Bill, which is why I decided to jump into 469 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 5: this race. But the important I think art here, especially 470 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 5: in the South, is we've experienced historic disinvestment because oftentimes 471 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 5: funding at the national level is tethered to progressive electoral outcomes, right, 472 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 5: but in a stately we're oppressively jerrymanderd there's anti and 473 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 5: we live in under an anti democratic regime. 474 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 6: It's hard to have those types of wins. 475 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 5: But this election, in my campaign, is a testament to 476 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 5: all of that base building that we've been doing the 477 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 5: past decade to get to a place where we are 478 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 5: out organizing our opposition. And it is incredible to watch. 479 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 5: And now this is a twenty point race, now a 480 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 5: four point race. 481 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: And it makes sense because if you think about like 482 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: those numbers in New Jersey and in Virginia, we saw 483 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: shifts that were that big. 484 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, even more and I and and in Tennessee there 485 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 5: hasn't been competitive races, right, So like everything is going 486 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 5: our way, and I would not be going across the 487 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 5: state losing sleep to tell folks that we are ten 488 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 5: points behind because. 489 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 6: We are so close, like we are so close to 490 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 6: quitting this. 491 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 5: And it would send a message to Washington that people 492 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 5: are done, they're fed up, We've had enough, We're tired 493 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 5: of begging for crumbs, and it's time to send a 494 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 5: message to the federal administration as we is, our Republican 495 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 5: super majority that y'all have y'all not delivered for working 496 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 5: families in Tennessee. 497 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: When is this special election? Special elections are weird? Who 498 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: is it for? 499 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 5: I'm gonna ask you to do your own research about 500 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 5: Representative Mark Green. But the representative there was some nefarious 501 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 5: activity and then he decided to take a corporate job 502 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 5: and left Congress after. 503 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 6: Voting for the Big Ugly bill. 504 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 5: So he left in August or July August, and it 505 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 5: thus catalyzed a special election in Tennessee. 506 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 6: And it's the last red blue district in the entire country. 507 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: So that is amazing. And who is your challenger and 508 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: what does the race look like? 509 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm a pissed off social worker. I'm a 510 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 5: social worker turned community organizer and now a state legislator. 511 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 5: I represent Nashville, which is some of my district is 512 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 5: overlaps with the congressional district. And my opponent has basically 513 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 5: been groomed for this moment. He is a West Point grad. 514 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 5: He served a few terms in Iraq. You know, he's 515 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 5: not the issue, it's the people behind him. He's a 516 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 5: puppet to the puppet masters of the universe. And I 517 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 5: think what's become increasingly clear in this race is one 518 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 5: the impact of dark interest special interest money bolstering his 519 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 5: name ID to get him across the finish line in 520 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 5: the Republican primary, and then right now the Republicans have 521 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 5: spent almost a million dollars or over a million dollars 522 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 5: in our race when they didn't want to be pulled 523 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 5: down to this fight. So it just shows you how 524 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 5: much we're outworking them, out organizing them, and they only 525 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 5: can respond with, you know, the commercials about me, which 526 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 5: you'll see them eventually, but that's all they have. And 527 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 5: while we're knocking doors, you know, they're sending texts comparing 528 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 5: me to Nancy Pelosi, and it just doesn't hit in 529 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 5: the same way that it used to. 530 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: And ten years ago that is wild, but also it 531 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: sounds like the district is actually like pretty urban. 532 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 6: It's tricky. 533 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 5: I mean, these districts were designed to be uncompetitive, right to. 534 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 6: Be districts, but their overreach. 535 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 5: The district includes the highest turnout precincts in Davidson County, 536 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 5: which is Nashville, and then it goes all the way 537 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 5: up to the Kentucky border and includes our purple County Montgomery, 538 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 5: which is where Fort Campbell is there's a lot of 539 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 5: veteran families, and then all the way down to the 540 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 5: Alabama border. But there it includes a few counties where 541 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 5: there are large concentrations of Democrats. So this is just 542 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 5: a mobilization race. It's who can get their people out 543 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 5: to vote. And there was reporting showing following the Republican 544 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 5: primary the Republican turnout is down eighty percent. 545 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: Wow, I've seen other statistics that say that. And also 546 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: because it's as special and it's at a weird time, 547 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: you're not going to have the same low frequency voters. Right. 548 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 5: Our polling shows that for the most motivated voters in 549 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 5: this race were virtually tied. 550 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 6: It's fifty to fifty. 551 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 5: So the people who say ten out of time, I'm 552 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 5: going to vote, it's fifty to fifty. It's the ones 553 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 5: that are the sporadic voters that need more information, that 554 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 5: need an extra boost to get to the polls. 555 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 6: But because this has become a. 556 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 5: Nationalized race, a lot of voters are receiving postcards, they're 557 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 5: getting phone bangs from across the country, and I knew 558 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 5: this is exactly what would happen, and it is. It 559 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 5: is materializing in a big way, and it's getting our 560 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 5: people to the polls, which is what's going to win 561 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 5: this race. 562 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: If you win, what would that make the numbers in 563 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: this Congress. 564 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, the margin's very close. 565 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 5: I don't know the exact number, but obviously I think 566 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 5: Speaker Johnson's margin is within three or four. And there's 567 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 5: analyzes that I've read that said that it would It 568 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 5: would just totally. I mean, it would undermine whatever power 569 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 5: he has right now, just because another addition to the 570 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 5: to the minority is not helpful for him. So more importantly, 571 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 5: I mean, winning in a Trump twenty. 572 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: District would be the message that. 573 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 6: It's over, Like it is over. 574 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 5: This political project that you've been working on for forty 575 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 5: fifty years is culminating right now. It's not delivering in 576 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 5: the way it's supposed to be delivering unbelievable. 577 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: If you go to Congress now, you'd be in the minority, 578 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: which is of course the worst, as everyone says, But 579 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: there are opportunities. And like, I'm not just saying this 580 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: because I like Robert Garcia, but I think Robert Garcia 581 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: on oversight has done a really good job. And like, 582 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: because everything is so crazy right now, there are actually 583 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: opportunities to do things. I'd love you to sort of 584 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: talk about what you feel like you could do in Congress. 585 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 5: Steve in the minority, Well, I have experienced because I'm 586 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 5: a state legislator and a Republican TRIFECTUS super minority and 587 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 5: a ninety nine per body there are twenty two of us. 588 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 5: In fact, we could leave the state and they could 589 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 5: go on legislating without us. That's how little power you have. 590 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 5: All I'm used to that, and I have actually been able. 591 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 5: I've been very successful. Actually passed a bill of a 592 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 5: partisan bill my first year as a freshman lawmaker, and 593 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 5: two organizing so I use my legislative seats to file 594 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 5: legislation that may not be passed the first time. It 595 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 5: creates a vehicle for me to organize. And so in Tennessee, 596 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 5: we have one of the highest grocery tax rates in 597 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 5: the country, plationary cost of groceries in the country, and I, 598 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 5: with my colleague in the state Senate, ran a bill 599 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 5: to end the grocery tax by closing corporate tax loopholes. 600 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 5: And for the past three years, that is all I've 601 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 5: been doing is organizing around it, and it has really 602 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 5: shifted the paradigm one towards economic justice and a conversation 603 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 5: about corporate power. And that's what I would do in Congress, 604 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 5: is I would file legislation that obviously resonates with my district, 605 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 5: but then use it to organize and build the constituency 606 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 5: and the coalition I need to then maintain a rplus 607 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 5: twenty seat in next November. 608 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a moment where those numbers don't mean 609 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: what they used to mean, especially after that twenty twenty 610 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: five cycle, like things could be very different, right. 611 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, and especially once again in a state like Tennessee 612 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 5: that has is not a battleground state, so there's not 613 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 5: a lot of money spent it is we've been kind 614 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 5: of left behind, and I think this race speaks to that, 615 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 5: in which you have this political project of the Republican 616 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 5: trifacta at all levels, and once again they are not 617 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 5: They're not fulfilling the commitments they made to Tennessee. And 618 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 5: so I think what we have tried to do on 619 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 5: this campaign is to build a coalition of the disenchanted, 620 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 5: build a coalition of. 621 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 6: The pissed off. 622 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 5: If you are upset about the chaos and Washington and 623 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 5: the cost of living, I am your candidate, and I 624 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 5: will never fight for the puppet masters. I will always 625 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 5: fight for the people in my district. And that message 626 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 5: is absolutely resonating. The other thing I'll say is, I mean, 627 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 5: as a lot of other states are in an affordability crisis. 628 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 5: We can't afford rent, we can't afford utilities, we can't 629 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 5: afford groceries and healthcare. And so as a healthcare organizer, 630 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 5: as someone who's always fought to make healthcare more affordable 631 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 5: in the state, the paradigm is shifting for I think, 632 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 5: especially Republican and maybe independent leaning voters to say, you 633 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 5: know what, like you all have been advocating and lobbing 634 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 5: against the Affordable Care Acts for a decade, and like, 635 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 5: what do you have to show for it? You don't 636 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 5: have any solutions, and that's what my opponent is offering 637 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 5: is a whole pile of nothing. 638 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,479 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's something really cool about people moving back 639 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: to where they're from. Can you talk for a minute 640 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: about the experience of moving back to where you're from. 641 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 5: I was someone who always wanted to get out of 642 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 5: East Tennessee, and I think I had a reckoning like 643 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 5: a lot of people November of twenty sixteen, not recognizing 644 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 5: the place I came from. I mean, I had a 645 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 5: wonderful childhood. I loved growing up in East Tennessee. I 646 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 5: love Appalachia, and I didn't understand why this state had 647 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 5: become so hostile and what happened to my community in 648 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 5: which they looked at President Trump as the antidote. And 649 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 5: I think organizing across Tennessee and Kentucky in the South 650 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 5: for the past ten years, it's provided a glimpse into that, 651 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 5: into an answer, which is people feel like the status 652 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 5: quo is not working. It is not working for that 653 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 5: and I think, you know, last election was one about 654 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 5: those that believe the institutions we have are working for 655 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 5: them and those that aren't. And I'm a candidate who 656 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 5: has always checked power. I have someone that is always 657 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 5: I'm not the chosen candidate by any party, and I'm 658 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 5: someone that has always just used the golden rule and 659 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 5: always centered the most impacted in my policymaking and my organizing. 660 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 6: And I think that's coming across, which is why my 661 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 6: Republican opposition. 662 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 5: Right now is having such a hard time kind of 663 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 5: pinning me to a wall and navigating this race. 664 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure that's true, and it has got to 665 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: be really interesting running for this race. When is your 666 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: election and just give us a little more about what 667 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: people can do for you. 668 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 5: Early votings started last Wednesday and it goes until the 669 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 5: twenty sixth, and then the election is December second, So 670 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 5: we've got less than two weeks and the election is 671 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 5: December second, And like I said, it would be one 672 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 5: of the most profound upsets in the political upsets in 673 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 5: recent history. And I'm just deeply honored to be the 674 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 5: Democratic nominee at this moment in time and see at 675 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 5: the national level. 676 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. Well, congratulations, looking forward to seeing 677 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: you in Congress. 678 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 5: Bears Cross's Yeah, it's been a wild ride, but I 679 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 5: never thought I'd be running for Congress in the year 680 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. But I think this moment demands a 681 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 5: contagious courage and with the skill set to organize through 682 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 5: this crisis, these compounded crises that we're going through, And 683 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 5: I think inspiring thing, is inspiring the next generation to 684 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 5: lead and hopefully will come up behind me and take 685 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 5: back our country. 686 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: Yeah all right, well, thank you, thank you, great to 687 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: have you. Hopeful to see you soon. 688 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 5: Pleasure well hopefully well once again, big fan, thanks for 689 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 5: all you do. It's been wonderful watching your ascendants. So 690 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 5: just really honored and thanks for covering this moment in time. 691 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: Thank you. 692 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 3: No mo. 693 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon smiling. 694 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 2: You know, nothing says Keystone Cops and just total outright 695 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: disregard for the law, like Ice losing Kia evidence one 696 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 2: day after being sued. 697 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, is it Keystone Cops or is 698 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: it just dis I mean again, Are they incompetent or 699 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: are they corrupt? This is like the game we need 700 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: to play in Trump world. Are they incompetent or are 701 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: they corrupt? And so four of four media reports said 702 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: after ICE's broad View detention center outside of Chicago was 703 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:05,479 Speaker 1: sued October thirtieth for allegedly abusing detainees. The agency said 704 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: that two weeks of video footage could not be shown, 705 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: could not be found. They wasn't found in the system. 706 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: And that's of course where we have it. Of course, 707 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: that's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 708 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 709 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. 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