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Speaker 1: Whatever the supper, Ward Jones Jam hang out with my

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Speaker 1: man Andrew Ward. We threw Hall of Famous to bring

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Speaker 1: y'all a show called a Hall of Game, a.

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Speaker 2: Show where we discuss boxing, sports, life.

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Speaker 3: And entertainment from rview. How much better than neck and

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Speaker 3: you get Me.

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Speaker 4: And Roy don't always agree. The one thing you will.

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Speaker 1: Get is a Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: What a game?

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Speaker 2: And we're back for another episode of the Hall of Game.

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Speaker 2: I want to welcome my co host Roy Jones Junior

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Speaker 2: from the great state of Florida. Well, how are you

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Speaker 2: doing this morning? Coming off of a big, huge fight weekend.

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Speaker 1: This past Saturday, doing very good, man, So glad to

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Speaker 1: see that we finally have a new Sinkle Demayo carrier.

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Speaker 3: I think I've been there, stepped there.

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Speaker 1: It's a new single Damayo man and looking forward to

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Speaker 1: his run as the Sinkle Demayo representative.

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, because Floyd Mayweather, who is obviously not Mexican,

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Speaker 2: held that holiday down for a very very long time

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Speaker 2: and was a genius by doing it. You know, you

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Speaker 2: had a lot of great Mexican champions and you know,

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Speaker 2: for a long time. And then when Floyd retired or

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Speaker 2: stepped aside, then Canelo Alvarez took it over. So yes,

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Speaker 2: David Benavidez looks to be the new face of this

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Speaker 2: holiday and he put on a tremendous performance in his

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Speaker 2: first fight at cruiserweight. We had him on last week,

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Speaker 2: We had Gilberto Ramirez in two weeks before the fight,

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Speaker 2: and this is David Benavidez's first fight at cruiserweight, and

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Speaker 2: there were some questions about how would he look, how

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Speaker 2: would he feel? And even though David Benavidez is a

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Speaker 2: naturally bigger guy, he walks around very heavy.

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Speaker 4: We talked about that you just don't know until you

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Speaker 4: see it.

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Speaker 2: So I want to get into just the overall night

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Speaker 2: before we get into the main event.

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Speaker 4: Rule. It was a lot of great action packed fights.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't a lot of boxing going on in that arena

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Speaker 4: What was your favorite fight or your favorite moments outside

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Speaker 1: My favorite fight was Jose Sanchez versus Jogeeshapez. This fight,

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Speaker 1: these two dudes, they did what Mexicans really do. They

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Speaker 1: left it all in the round, toe to toe basically,

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Speaker 1: I mean they they started the night off right. They

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Speaker 1: were before the door tea fight. If you missed that fight,

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Speaker 1: you need to go back on TV and watch it

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Speaker 1: because this is the definition of two great Mexican fighters

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Speaker 1: going toe to toe. These dudes fought like Mexican fighters fight,

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Speaker 1: and I think sant Chiez knocked him out with thirty

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Speaker 3: He cut him and knocked it out. Knocked him out

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Speaker 1: Left in round ten, two thirty around ten, he knocked

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Speaker 1: missed that fight, I mean, David still gave. They delivered, Yes,

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Speaker 1: but these guys right here, they showed you what the

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Speaker 2: Ye, there's a back and forth type of fight all

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Speaker 2: night long until you know till it wasn't And you

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Speaker 2: know them.

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Speaker 4: Kind of fights. People don't realize.

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Speaker 2: It's like taking an old block or just just a

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Speaker 4: And that kind of fight. It's a physical thing.

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Speaker 2: What type of shape you in, right, it's it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's a lot going on in that type of affair.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of moments for a fighter to check

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Speaker 2: But those fights are very, very fun to watch. And

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Speaker 2: But if you really love the sport, you love it all.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't trained to take two punches and give one.

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Speaker 2: I just was that wasn't what time it was. I

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Speaker 2: come back to the corner. In sparring, I ain't talking

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Speaker 4: You a right?

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Speaker 2: But that being said, I can still appreciate what we

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Speaker 4: Not in sparring, but in a real situation.

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Speaker 2: Jimi Mugia in the Colemane event defeated Armando Resendez. That too,

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Speaker 2: was a good fight. Jimi Mugia did what he was

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Speaker 1: Yeah he was, and he was looking man like I

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Speaker 1: It's a very good fight for him, a very good

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Speaker 1: looking for howmade you know what you're looking for free

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Speaker 3: And I'm glad that Haimi won.

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Speaker 1: It's a great opportunity for both of them, and I'm

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Speaker 1: he was looking at him closely, and I think he

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Speaker 1: close fight. They both put on a good performance. But

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Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna stay here for just a second. How

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Speaker 2: This is for the viewers? How do you like this

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Speaker 2: close fight conversation? Right like my fight with COVID ed

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Speaker 2: probably long after I'm gone, and any other close fight

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Speaker 2: that has happened in the sport of boxing. Right, you said,

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Speaker 2: I saw it this way. I thought Dorte got edged

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Speaker 2: in a close fight like that, is it really a robbery?

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Speaker 3: Is it? Can?

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Speaker 4: Can? Can it?

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Speaker 2: Fight that close really be considered a bad decision, even

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Speaker 3: I didn't call a robbery. I said it could have

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Speaker 2: Right, But I'm saying that's what people will say anytime

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Speaker 4: Can you call it that?

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Speaker 1: You could call a robbery because if you go back

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Speaker 2: A lot of times the judges are watching two separate fights.

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Speaker 2: You see them scorecards. You have one sixteen one twelve

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Speaker 2: one way, eight rounds of forty year one sixteen one

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Speaker 4: I'm like, brother, it don't work like that.

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Speaker 2: Like like, y'all can be a round or two off,

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Speaker 2: So the judging and the scoring we gotta come and do.

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Speaker 2: We gotta sit down, probably on the ward room and

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Speaker 2: It's an argument that can go either way. So I

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Speaker 2: We don't know everything, but we know a lot. We've

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Speaker 4: Because just because your guy lost, just because.

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Speaker 2: You was bragging at work at the water cooler, tal

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Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is in not two and.

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Speaker 2: And that's what it did. Yeah, that gave you a

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Speaker 1: But honestly speaking, two hundred rounds to spar and gave

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Speaker 1: If I had spared with a light heavyweight, when it

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna teach him no more. But I wasn't

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Speaker 1: I wasn't young like that, and he wasn't that much

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: So you know, to take my hat off too. Sort

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Speaker 4: Man, my nose broke.

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Speaker 2: Now you're just trying to preserve yourself and get out

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Speaker 4: That's not zertovermere zerdo.

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Speaker 2: Ramirez had every opportunity to check out because of the nose,

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Speaker 1: And he didn't have to take that fight. He knew

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Speaker 2: and that's gonna be a hard out for anybody. Roy cruiserweight.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about the light heavyweight situation. You know

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Speaker 2: You've experienced it. It's a very very tough thing. Now,

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Speaker 3: Roy.

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Speaker 2: With this win from Benavidez, he moved his record to

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Speaker 4: The question now for David Benavidez is what's next?

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Speaker 2: And Canelo Alvarez was in the building supporting his stablemate

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Speaker 4: But that's not a fight that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not.

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't happen, especially with Benavida is going up in wait.

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Speaker 2: he's constantly called out Dimitri Beval that's a light heavyweight fight,

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Speaker 4: In Noel mcalehan is also another name.

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Speaker 2: And Benevida said, I don't want to fight for the

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Speaker 2: then I'm willing to fight jih and I think a

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Speaker 4: I really do.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it's about this money

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Speaker 4: What do you think should be next with David Benavidez.

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Speaker 1: I like him a Joe. I think it's a great fight.

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Speaker 1: Tests both of them are jazz new would coming being

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Speaker 3: And I think he'll be the first challenge.

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Speaker 1: beautiful thing for Bena Videz was that when I saw

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Speaker 1: him at the way in, when I saw the picture

437
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Speaker 1: of his face after the way in, he looked like

438
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Speaker 1: a guy that pulled down to make two hundred. That's crazy.

439
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,720
Speaker 1: Sixty eight he makes seventy five. He pulled down to

440
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Speaker 1: make two hundred. I was the guy who had never

441
00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,400
Speaker 1: been up to two hundred before in my life. When

442
00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,399
Speaker 1: I fought for every title, I couldn't make one night

443
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,000
Speaker 1: a five, I couldn't make one another realize I was

444
00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,080
Speaker 1: just fat. So it was like it was crazy to

445
00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,280
Speaker 1: see that he made two hundred but he pulled down

446
00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,280
Speaker 1: to make two hundred. This guy is scary, man. This

447
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,600
Speaker 1: guy could be the next guy that was more super

448
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,880
Speaker 1: middleweight champ, that could become a headway champ. Because Iff

449
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,919
Speaker 1: Canelo don't fight him, He got to focus on the

450
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,240
Speaker 1: cruise weights. But I think he's the cruisewaights. He means

451
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 1: we will try the hiitweight division. You know, I think

452
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,720
Speaker 1: him and Usik would be a really good fight right now,

453
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 1: I really do.

454
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Speaker 4: That's the fight that that I'm hearing that Turkey wants

455
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 4: to make this year.

456
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,920
Speaker 3: Is that's a really good fight.

457
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,719
Speaker 2: Alexander Usak and David Benavidez and what weight I don't know.

458
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 3: That is a really good fight, but it's gonna.

459
00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,680
Speaker 2: Have to be at an agatic gotta be heavyweight because

460
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,960
Speaker 2: because yeah can't come back down.

461
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,199
Speaker 1: He can't come upway makes no sense if you're not

462
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 1: fighting a heayweight title, you want to super middle weight,

463
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 1: you get the cruiser and you got light Heaven not heaven.

464
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Speaker 3: You got the top four weight classes.

465
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Speaker 4: That's a chance to make more history. It's a huge

466
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Speaker 4: risk for both fighters.

467
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Speaker 2: But ben a Videz, uh you know, obviously has a

468
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,639
Speaker 2: has a major advantage of being at the weight and

469
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 2: he ain't just no sloppy heavyweight that that Bena Vidas

470
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Speaker 2: can punch on. He got skilled with that with that size,

471
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 2: that may that's a generational wealth type of payday that night.

472
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Speaker 3: Yep. I agree, and I like to fight with Joe.

473
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 2: I think that I think the job open tire fight

474
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,640
Speaker 2: that cruiserweight is to fight. For me, that's the fight

475
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 2: that I want to see. Joe has been well the

476
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 2: man at that weight class for a very long time.

477
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,679
Speaker 2: Now you got a new player in the division with

478
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 2: a hot name and who's stock and who star powers

479
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 2: only rising.

480
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 4: That's the fight I believe that needs to be made

481
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 4: at the cruiserweight division.

482
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Speaker 2: Would love to see b Voll but for some reason

483
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 2: that the light heavyweight division is just is not as

484
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 2: appealing to me right now for people to have been

485
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 2: a beta's and again I'm not sure that that's the

486
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: right way for him to fight, being that he's falked

487
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 2: this weight and look the way that he did. I

488
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 2: think it's cruiserweight or maybe go up and fight au

489
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Speaker 2: Alexander USA.

490
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Speaker 1: Since everybody's making these business decisions stray and everybody's doing

491
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 1: things things the business way right, It is not smart

492
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 1: for David benifitte is to give job a time. I

493
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,360
Speaker 1: shot it his name right now because he's hot.

494
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 3: Right now.

495
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Speaker 1: You go up and fight Usak while you're hot, and

496
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 1: it makes sense. You can and always come back town

497
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: and fight for Tide if you want to, you know,

498
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 1: under saying, if you lost to Uzik, but Tire fights

499
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: still there. If you lose to Patta, Uzi fight, don't

500
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 1: so be smart about this thing. Go take Usik while

501
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: the iron is hot.

502
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 3: You be Usik.

503
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Speaker 1: You don't know what to see Patalist. You want to

504
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: come in heavyweight, But if you go fight for Tire

505
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: and lose, you don't even get a chance to see Uzik.

506
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: And you don't get a chance to make history. That's crazy.

507
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 1: You're on a rail right now to do something that

508
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: nobody ever done before. I went middleweight, souper middleweight like

509
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: heavy heavy because I was doing a bopp while I

510
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: thought bob that Simmons did. I didn't stop a cruising

511
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 1: because there was nobody left for me to stop at

512
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 1: and I really didn't care for the weight class. Now

513
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: he can go super middleweight like heavyweight, cruiser heavy, go

514
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: for the hey, go like they say, go for the

515
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 1: whole thing. If you're gonna go for it, don't waste

516
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: time with these other guys.

517
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 3: Yet.

518
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: If you while you own this roll, go see Usik.

519
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: Don't play with second. Why would you play with a

520
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: guy who's just as dangerous as Uzik, not as known

521
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: as Usik, not gonna bring you as much money as Usik,

522
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: when you can just go straight to Uzik.

523
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 3: That's kind of crazy.

524
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 1: That's how we miss That's how boxing misses out on

525
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: big fights. They gonna make these other small fights that

526
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: they think or safe okay fights, and then those small

527
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 1: fights destroy the big ones. That's why to this day

528
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,959
Speaker 1: we still have never got a chance to see Tyson

529
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: Ferior versus Anthony Joshua. Every time it gets close, they

530
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: put him in another fight and something bad happens. Let's

531
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: not do that. Let's know from boxing debt. In a

532
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: boxing ring with those ten hour gloves on, anything can happen.

533
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: For if Canelo not fighting, you forget about everybody else,

534
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: goes straight to Usi. Don't play with nobody else, all right,

535
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: anything else can take the Uzi fight. The Uzik fight

536
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest fights of this decade, right now,

537
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 1: take it while it's hot, don't play with him and

538
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: don't let him play with you.

539
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: And that's my words today.

540
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Speaker 1: Benefit is because I know he listens to me, he

541
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Speaker 1: looks up to me, thanks a lot of me. I'm

542
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: gonna tell him it's okay to say no, Patai, you

543
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: haven't proven yourself. Right now, I want somebody who's proven

544
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: like I am. I want USI that's what he should

545
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: don't do without a question.

546
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: Listen, Opati has proven himself, but he's not the name.

547
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 2: He's not the name as a not as big money.

548
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 4: Who's the beat We're gonna do that. Who's really been dad?

549
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 4: He's been at the weight class, at that cruiseweight weight class.

550
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's not a lot of big name it's

551
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 2: not a lot of big names at that Cruise aweight

552
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 2: weight class.

553
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 4: I am. I am I making that up.

554
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 2: Has it historically been big namely at the Cruise aweight

555
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: weight class?

556
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: That's that's that's that's why I skipped, right.

557
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying I can't say that the man

558
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 2: that's won the title defended his title as long as

559
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: he had. I can't say that he hasn't proven himself.

560
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that, but the namesake is different,

561
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: yeah as long as yeah, okay, yeah, so the money,

562
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: the money is different, right, So I'm with that. I

563
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: like that decision. I believe that's gonna be the decision

564
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: that's on the table. So it's gonna be very very

565
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: interesting to see what happens next. But that is that's

566
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: a play right there. That that that is deep.

567
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: Prove yourself.

568
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: And when I said prove yourself, the world don't know

569
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: you like that yet. I respect yourself. I'm not saying

570
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 1: he's not good enough. I'm not saying he's not good

571
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: enough to do it. The world don't know him like

572
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: that yet. So he has a proven where the world

573
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: knows him, the world knows. Benefit is the world knows

574
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: who uster kids. A lot of people in boxing because

575
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 1: the Kusweit division has always been kind oflect luster as

576
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: for as names go. They don't know who the Cruzwet

577
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: champions are all. I only know Patai and I knew

578
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: we're mirrors, but I don't know the other kruzweight champs

579
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: and I am in boxing. So if you don't have

580
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 1: a name like that, then you're not really poopy.

581
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 4: I respect it, and.

582
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna move on on that note to the other

583
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 2: monster in the boxing world, and the other monster that

584
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: fought on Saturday night in Tokyo at the Tokyo Dome

585
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 2: just sold out crowd of fifty five thousand people if

586
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: you remember it correctly, if you are a historian in

587
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: this sport, that's the same arena that Mike Tyson lost

588
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: to Buster Douglas.

589
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 4: In in nineteen ninety.

590
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: Broll you remember in nineteen ninety it was a Sunday,

591
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: It was forty thousand people in attendance, and Mike Tyson,

592
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 2: as the world knows, was knocked out by Buster Douglas in.

593
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: The tenth round.

594
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: But in a way and Juhn tun Nakatani and not

595
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: only broke the live gate rerecord roy at fifty five

596
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: thousand people in the arena, they also broke Japan's Combat

597
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: Sports pay per view bys record.

598
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 4: This was a big fight over there.

599
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: Noel O Enaway who is I don't know where you

600
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: have them on your list one, two, three. He's top two,

601
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: top three in the world. He has dominated for a

602
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: very long time. He has a very unique style, especially

603
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: from coming over there. He's got a lot of flavor

604
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: with this game. He's got quickness, he's got a crazy

605
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 2: first step, he's got power, and he's just an all

606
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: around complete fighter. And this was a big fight over there,

607
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: two countrymen fighting in front of that type of crowd

608
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: on that type of stage, and it was a slow

609
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: fight initially, and it started to pick up and you

610
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 2: started to see glimpses and moments and rounds of what

611
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: we're used to seeing from in a way, as he

612
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: defended this undisputed junior featherweight title, and then there were

613
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: moments where Nakatani would catch in a way slipping speak.

614
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: And that's one of the flaws, the very few flaws

615
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: that I see in in a way, is that he

616
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: can be hit at times. His offense typically is his defense.

617
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 2: You don't see in a way doing a lot of

618
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: special effects. Defensively, he's athletic, he's young, he's still very spry,

619
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: so he can get out of the way. He can

620
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: pull away even if it's not a technically sound defensive move.

621
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: But most of the time, that offense, that firepower, them

622
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: clips that he's letting off, that's what's keeping guys with

623
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: their hands at home where they don't want to punch.

624
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: So he doesn't have to be defensively sound, but he

625
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: has some big moments against Nakatani when Nakatani would land

626
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: in some clean shots, but it just wasn't enough every

627
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: time Nakatani would try to surge. Every time Nakatani would

628
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: try to have a moment, Noeo in away showed why

629
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: he's one of the poundful pound best fighters in the world.

630
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: He would step on the gas, create some separation and

631
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: put Nakatani in his place.

632
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: I like that.

633
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: I like the fact that he accepted that challenge when

634
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: in bold right that it's supposed to be.

635
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 3: He didn't. He didn't run from it.

636
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: He said, I got a countryman that's come up and

637
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: proved that he's capable of being a formidable foe. So

638
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: he took that on head on. You gotta love that

639
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: about anyway. That's why I put him on our powerful

640
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: power lists. And uh, the guy the Cruisewaker, he's gonna

641
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: be there soon too, because he's also that kind of fight.

642
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: He takes on whatever they send him head to head.

643
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: He just ain't got nobody that they sent him yet,

644
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: So I think he's gonna be on the Power the

645
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: list soon as well. Because he's that good. But right

646
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: now the world already know it. That's what I mean

647
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: when I say you got to prove yourself. So but now,

648
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: Katana put up a great fight, and not many people

649
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: last twelve rounds with anyway like that, So I mean

650
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: he put up a great fight.

651
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: I mean, he gave it this all.

652
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: He found out that he found out the difference in

653
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: there are levels, and he found out in the levels.

654
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: But he did come up and show that he's a

655
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be worthed it and a guy that's

656
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna be something to deal with in the future as well.

657
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: So that was a great fight, great fight for Japan,

658
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: probably the biggest best fight they're ever gonna have there.

659
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: To break Mike Tyson's record says a lot because Mike

660
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: thought that Mike was still hot. And he only got

661
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: forty thousand and they got fifty five thousand. That's fifteen

662
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: one thousand people. Because it's in home battle. That was

663
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: a big thing. So congrats go out to both guys.

664
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: And it was a tough lesson for Knakatana. He had

665
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: a left orbital bone fraction.

666
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: You know sometimes that that's the cost you got to

667
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: pay to learn them lessons in the school of hard

668
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: knocks in the sport of boxing, some other.

669
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 4: News in the boxing world.

670
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: They got a lot of people excited. I saw some

671
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: people had concerns Aerol Spence. You know a fighter that

672
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: you're very very close to, Spoter that you have, you know,

673
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: talked to off and on for you know sometime.

674
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: He's finally returning to the ring.

675
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: This is the first time that the boxing world has

676
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: heard from Aerol Spence in a fight context since July

677
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: twenty nine, twenty twenty three, against his fight with Terrence Crawford,

678
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 2: where he was stopped in the ninth round, devastating loss,

679
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: a loss that many people didn't see coming, especially like that.

680
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: And Aerol Spence is back, Roy, And this is a

681
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: quote from Erol. He said, I'm grateful to be back.

682
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: I took some time away to live in a moment.

683
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: I will be with my family and enjoy the fruits

684
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: of my labor and the people that matter most.

685
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: Now I'm locked back in and he's.

686
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: Facing Tim Zu in his home country. So, Roy, how

687
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 2: do you feel about the return of Earl Spence.

688
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to have him back, to see that

689
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: he's back in boxing. The boxing world is glad to

690
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: see that he came back. We all want to see

691
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: him make a comeback. We don't never want to see

692
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: a guy go out bad and not try to come back,

693
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: because that's what boxes do. I know he took a

694
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: lot of things into consideration. He even told me when

695
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: he spoke to a few people about it, and that

696
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: was a good thing. But I'm glad he made the

697
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: conscious decision to return. And I think it's a smart

698
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: return because it's also against a guy who was on

699
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: the way up there, who made it to the top

700
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: but has some struggles and now he's on the incline

701
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: trying to get back up too, So it's two guys

702
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: trying to get back up.

703
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: I think it's a great situation.

704
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing I got to say that I

705
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: love about Earl Spence is that Earl don't want no

706
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: easy fights. Earl don't want to fight guys.

707
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 4: That are aka no tune up.

708
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: No, he don't want no challenges, you understand, men. He

709
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: wants challenges. And for him to challenge a person like

710
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: Tim Zoo when Tim Zoo has been regularly fighting for

711
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: the last three years, he's been not doing much that

712
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: says a lot about er but that tells you exactly

713
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: how much fight is still left in the Earl. Earl

714
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: is a guy who's always coming to the party to dance.

715
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: He don't have time to play no games. And you

716
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: gotta love that about Earl.

717
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: He's always been that guy, even in the amateurs, you know.

718
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: And I've always had respect for Errol Spence because he's

719
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: a real fighter. You know, He's not a guy that

720
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: talks a lot, but he brings a big stick to

721
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: the battle. And you know, when you deal with Aero Spence,

722
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: you got to bring your lunch pall because he's gonna

723
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: bring it in. He's nothing to play with obviously, being

724
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: thirty six years of age, being off as long as

725
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: he has hasn't had the tune up fights. And by

726
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: the way, I need my tune ups. Give me my

727
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: tune ups because boxing is hard. I need my tune

728
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: up because I need to sharpen my tools. I want

729
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: to make another paycheck before I make the big paycheck.

730
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: But that's just me. I need my tune ups. But

731
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: I respect his brother because he's not with the tune ups.

732
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: And you gotta know who you are. If Errol knows

733
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: that I can't really get up for that guy, then

734
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: I can only get up for these type of guys.

735
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: You gotta know yourself, and Errool Spence knows himself, so

736
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: the respect is always gonna be there for him. And

737
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: we will unpack this fight as we get closer, because

738
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: it's not until July twenty fifth. But I'm excited to

739
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: see him back. I'm excited to see him talking his talk.

740
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 2: I would have just as much respect for him if

741
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: he walked away and was able to sort of deal

742
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: with them voices that we gotta deal with as fighters

743
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: and overcome. Not to say no, I'm good, I've done enough,

744
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: but I equally respect him for taking this chance and

745
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: taking his risks because it's a big risk. But oh boy,

746
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: if he can pull it off, if he can come

747
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: back and look anything close like himself psychologically, mentally, physically,

748
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a beautiful thing in the sport because

749
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: when Aero Spence is boxing, boxing is in a at

750
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: a place.

751
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: So Erol, welcome back, brother. We're excited to see you

752
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: not long from now. And Tim zuit very very dangerous.

753
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: He's had some rough moments his last couple of fights,

754
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: but he can still punch, and he's still dangerous. He's

755
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: gonna have his feet on home soil, so he's gonna

756
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: be comfortable in that ring against Erol Spenser. We'll see

757
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: if Earlspence can make him uncomfortable in his own country.

758
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 4: Rud Jones.

759
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, we're gonna get into

760
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: our non boxing tech and just highlight for a second

761
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: the brawl that happened in between the New York Knicks

762
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: and the Atlanta Hawks last Thursday. Now, when this scuffle happened,

763
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: it's more of a scuffle than a fight.

764
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: The score was seventy two to twenty two. Say it again.

765
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: The score of the game was seventy two New York

766
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: Knicks twenty two Atlanta Hawks. In the A, it was

767
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, and during a free throw, frustrations boiled over

768
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: between the Knicks Mitchell Robinson and the Atlanta Hawks Dice

769
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: and d Down. Now, those that know me know I'm

770
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: a sore winner and I'm a sore loser. So when

771
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: i'm up, I'm gonna let you know about it. When

772
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm down, I'm not gonna be happy about it. And

773
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: I can't say that I wouldn't have done what Dyson

774
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: Daniels did as he was waiting for that free throw

775
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: to be shot and sort of, you know, give a

776
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: little some extra, you know, to Mitchell Robinson, because if

777
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm down by fifty in the playoffs, I'm gonna be

778
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: upset and I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to

779
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: compose myself. Roy, So did you watch that? What were

780
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: you thinking?

781
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 4: And how did that game get out of hand like that?

782
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: Seventy two twenty two and you know it was an

783
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: NBA level type of scuffle. You know, a lot of

784
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: a lot of hold me back, hold me back, but

785
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: tensions did boil?

786
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 3: Oh?

787
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't watch it. I didn't watch the game.

788
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: Why I turned the game was such a blowout outside

789
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: of victory, I real just turned back away from it.

790
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: But I can tell you like this Danish got to

791
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: do his homework. Mitchell Robinson is from Pensacola, Florida. You

792
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: can't hit nobody from and think they ain't coming back

793
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: at your head. Yeah that's what we do. You feel me,

794
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: You hear some You better know you, but hey, you

795
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: better had your mind right, you understand me. That's the

796
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: hometown of Roy Jones Jr. You hear him, and you

797
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: don't come back. He can't come back here, so he

798
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: gotta come back. You understand, that's just what it is.

799
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he said, you hit him like that. He

800
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: coming exactly, you are coming because I mean and I

801
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: do understand. It's like nobody wants to be a loser,

802
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: and nobody, I mean, we all want to win, but

803
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: nobody want to be a loser.

804
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: Then you don't want to be humiliated. That was what

805
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 3: the humilities were caused, the anger.

806
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: You understand, they let him jump out too fast on

807
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: them and this isn't the playoffs and what called it.

808
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: But we started yet at home.

809
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: We saw the same thing with the Jokers team when

810
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: they played Minnesota, same thing Kenna. They they wasn't willing

811
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: to just give everything to Minnisota like that, so they

812
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: started up broad too. Because when you're getting a playoff, brother,

813
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: that lose, that lost me, that that fourth lost me,

814
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: and you're going home, nobody wants to accept that. But

815
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: then when they say you need they asked even more

816
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: favor to it. Oh nah, but it's kind of hard

817
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: to like you said, at Dyson Dang's point, it's hard

818
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: not to hit him at that point, because you're angry.

819
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 3: If you care.

820
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: If you don't care, it's different and that's bad if

821
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: you don't care, because now we question what are you doing?

822
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: You know what it's like if you're Sometimes we see

823
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwa was losing be smiling, were like, what the

824
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: hell wrong with him?

825
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: You understand me?

826
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: We we really not used to that. You fear me,

827
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: so we like, we want you to be pissed off

828
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: if you lose. We want you to be as invested

829
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: as we are as fans. You fear me, So that's

830
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: that's all. The kind of was that Dyson was. So

831
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: that's good to see too, because you want your guy

832
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: to be that in that that indulged in lose.

833
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 4: Do you want him he needed he need to feel

834
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 4: he needs to feel away. Yeah, he needs to feel away.

835
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: I know you are a competitor in a boxing ring

836
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 2: and on a basketball court, but what's our loser?

837
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: Was Roy Jones?

838
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: Anytime it was going your way on a basketball court,

839
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 2: how would you respond same way?

840
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 3: I just did not like losing at all. I don't

841
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: like losing that nothing.

842
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: That's why I don't do stuff like golf and certain

843
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: things curtain sports. I won't go near him because I

844
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna lose and I don't like losing. No,

845
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like losing, know what I mean.

846
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: So it's like, I mean, I'm just it's just it's

847
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: just in me.

848
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: You know. People don't know that.

849
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: People think it's easy or that I just play it cool,

850
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: but no, they don't understand it. It's like every day

851
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, I'm just not that dude. I

852
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: don't talk about it because I get crazy, but I'm

853
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: just not that dude.

854
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: I don't like losing at all.

855
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 4: So you understand what happened on that court, you understand.

856
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: That, totally understand, totally understand totally.

857
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: But man, that's a rap for us today.

858
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: Roy great boxing weekend, some great fights, a lot of conversations.

859
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: It's a lot of great things coming up in here.

860
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 4: Man.

861
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: I've been hearing for the last ten fifteen years that

862
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: boxing was dying. But the reports of boxing's demise have

863
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: been greatly exaggerated. We are still here, and we are

864
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: still alive and well, and there's more money. There's more

865
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: opportunity in the sport than there ever has been. If

866
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: my knees, my back and my shoulders would allow it.

867
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: I would be coming to get some of that money too,

868
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: But I gotta sit and just talk about the sport

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna keep doing that on the Hall of

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Speaker 2: Game Roy appreciate you brother, See you next time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you brother, you too.