WEBVTT - The 1997 Michigan Wolverines: A 50-Year Wait 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.480 Welcome to Special Teams, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.320 Greetings and Welcome inside the Special Teams Podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.320 Jason Smith, the man on my radio left, Hi on 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.480 my carbon You gotta say a faster, buddy, let me 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.760 come on you like you weren't ready. It's just ready. 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:32.199 I just didn't know if you were going to give 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.760 me a big build up, a bunch of adjectives to 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:38.600 describe how swollen dominant I am in my performance here 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:40.839 on the podcast. I didn't know they know who we 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.000 are by now because we've we've done a few of them. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.360 I say, Jason Smith, you say Mike Carmon, but in 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.800 staid it's oh hey, look at me. But there's always 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.120 some new folks coming in. Sure, maybe there's needs to 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.440 build up maybe a little bit of you know, giant 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.480 flutes and trumpets. You want giant flutes and trumpets, not 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.160 regular flutes and trumpets. Gotta be giant flutes, rock flute 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.440 like Jethro Tall, not running down his nose. Play. They 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.360 had other songs, m yeah, but that's that's the go 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.560 to one though, that's always the pretty good one. Well, 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.320 what we do on Special Teams Podcast we spotlight a 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.800 single season in sports history. Some of the best, most notorious, 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:21.440 or worst teams that grace a gridiron, hockey rank, basketball court, 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:26.839 baseball field diamond whipper Will Woodpecker. Yeah, maybe the squared Circle. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:28.840 I mean, you never know what you're gonna get, you know. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.760 Let's sudden look at the year that macho man Randy 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:35.520 Savage ad back in three Wrestler of the Year. We 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.120 take a look at the seven Michigan Wolverines, the first 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.679 Michigan team in fifty years to win a national championship. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.679 They did it via defense. They did it with a 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.680 future NFL Hall of Famer who didn't even play, And 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.960 there was controversy, there was achievements something we had never 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.840 seen before in college football history, all part of the 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:00.600 Big Michigan Wolverine season. This was a team coached by 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.080 Lloyd Carr, who was a long time assistant and was 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.560 promoted to being the head coach previously. And look, it 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.880 wasn't like he was a guy that was sought after 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.200 to become the Michigan head coach. He was a Michigan 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.079 man and the old bullshem Bekler line, a Michigan man 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.919 will always coach Michigan. He was a very loyal, longtime 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:22.160 defensive coach who got promoted and hey, guess what, Lloyd 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.520 Carr wins the first national championship in fifty years. Well, 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:27.960 and it's all on the strength of the defense. And 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.280 we'll get into some of those numbers and peculiarities when 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.520 you look at the they have the hardest schedule in 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.960 the land coming in, but it's the long held tradition, 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.560 and anytime there's been a shift from that, there's the 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.920 the question of, all right, is this legacy thing? Do 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.000 we need to work outside every time the job comes open. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.560 All the speculation, but for Lloyd Carr, everything came together 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.040 in what was one of the magical seasons. I mean 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.079 that was still just fresh out of getting thumped with 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:03.560 some regularity during my tenure at Northwestern, watched watching my 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.480 team get obliterated a couple of wins in a row. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.680 But then they were on the schedule of what turned 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.440 out to be a ridiculous run by car and his men. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.400 It wasn't a great year offensively, though they did have 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.760 a defensive star and make some big plays for them. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.720 The defense was incredible. Every game for them was the same. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.240 They would hold the offense would score enough points and 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.720 the defense would exert their will and close out the game. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.040 Most teams, you want to win a game, we want 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.120 our offense out there because the offense is gonna chew 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.760 up the clock and gain first downs. This Michigan team 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.920 wanted their defense out there because they were the ones 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.720 that closed all season long. They gave up their first 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:44.080 fourth quarter points in Week nine. Ponder that for a 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.720 minute week nine of a season. Overall, they gave up 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:53.000 thirty seven second half points in a season and what 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.120 was again at the time, the hardest schedule in the 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.960 land when you put it on paper. Heading into the year, 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.800 Michigan sent thirty one players from this team to the 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.640 National Football League. Usually you see a team if it's 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.080 really good, they sent between fifteen and twenty players at 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.160 some point. Because this is not everybody in one, this 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.280 is not all seniors. This is just who played on 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.839 this You had thirty one players, and you had players 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:21.200 who were terrific and had great NFL careers. Jay Feeley 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.080 was the place kicker. He kicked in the NFL for 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.120 well over a decade. You had Steve Hutchinson, who had 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.520 a phenomenal career. To Honey Jones, who had a great career, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.760 also had a great career afterwards, broadcasting. Anthony Thomas, you know, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.640 played for a long time, played for your Bears for 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.279 a while. The A train, I mean hanging in my closet. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.120 Do you really You're not even kidding you have an 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:44.279 A train jersey Bears A train from promotion I did 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.200 years ago when I was working at Yahoo. We had 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.960 a thing where we gave out for our premium leagues. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.520 We gave out jerseys and they sent right. You could 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.960 pick your team and then there would be a selection 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.760 of players that would be fulfilled. And at one point 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.680 they just sent me a couple of Bears jerseys, one 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.200 of which is and Anthony Thomas, which still hangs proudly. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.680 And every once in a while I'll wear it. Maybe 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.400 I'll wear it next week, or I'll wear it the 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:14.720 next time they win a game. Good, good luck with that. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.719 You're missing somebody on the team, and I didn't mention 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.440 him because we're gonna get to him right now. Headed 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.680 to the No, headed to the Hall of Fame. Not 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:24.920 a guy who slipped on his driveway and missed time 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.800 because he was partying too much. Brian Greasy won the 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:33.039 quarterback job for Michigan this year, right, he wanted over 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.560 the incumbent the year before, who was Scott drives Back. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.920 Remember when Michigan at Scott drives Back, he was gonna 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.200 be the next great quarterback. He was a good game manager, 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.760 but he still had big games. But Brian Greasy, Bob 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:46.520 Greasy's son, won the quarterback job he wanted over Scott 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.320 drives Back and a youngster named Tom Brady, that guy 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.880 who wasn't quite ready to compete and win the starting 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.320 quarterback job at Michigan. Brian Greasy, to the end of 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.360 his life is gonna go I'm the guy that beat 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.760 out Brady at Michigan. He wasn't good enough, and I 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.359 won the National championship. I remember that well. That was 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.839 one of the curiosities going in And obviously the talk 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:15.120 of nepotism and surnames ruling the day, uh certainly was 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.440 was heard for quite a long time. And then you 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.080 always have the pictures of Brady at his NFL combine 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.520 with the concave chess, and you get young Well, I 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.000 get it, I get it, and that's the way it works. 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.720 And Greasy had some some big moments of big games, 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.160 and even during this magical run though there were times 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.960 where he did his his part to put some some 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:39.800 of these games in jeopardy. It's amazing that in his career, 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.080 think about this, he doesn't beat out Brian Greasy and 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:47.159 then barely holds off Drew Henson, who was coming in 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.520 as the much ballyhooed quarterback out of Michigan, local kid 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.080 who was gonna he was gonna be the next one guy, 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.960 and Brady barely held him off. Well. With Henson, though, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.240 you also had the giant baseball contracts sitting there, So 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.920 in terms of trying to recruit him and get him 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.000 to come to the school, you've got to make certain 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.599 promises as well. Right, there's certain considerations. You're gonna get 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.480 every chance to win this job, so you don't go 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.320 play for the New York Yankees farm system. And you 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.600 want another funny thing about this is I have seen 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.680 all three of these quarterbacks play in person. How about 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.160 that I've seen I saw Tom Brady play in uh 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.880 for Michigan. Rather, I saw them all playing person at Michigan. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:31.880 Tom Brady lose the Syracuse in that big Donovan McNabb 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.280 Ranford touchdown with his shoe off. You want to start 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.640 peacocking around the studio was the best. I saw Scott 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.000 drives back play against Boston College, and I saw Brian 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:47.400 Greasy play in the National championship game against Washington State. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.840 So I saw all three of these guys play in person. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.600 About that, Mr Funk, Do you want me to make 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.000 you a button to wear around? Nice little mow many 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.200 people that you know concid, I saw all three of them. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.360 There's Michigan fans with season tickets in to see all 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.160 that would be that would do you? You'd be a 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.480 shortlist of one. So as Michigan was preparing for the 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:15.240 fall season, what else was happening in? Married with Children 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:19.280 was canceled after ten years? 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That boys, not right, Bobby. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.160 So that's everything heading up to the magical season for 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.360 the Michigan Wolverines. Coming up next, they have a couple 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.679 of big tests early and an unexpected player announces his 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.280 candidacy for the Heisman Trophies. The Special Team's Podcast with 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:45.400 Jason Smith and Mike Harmon. Welcome back to the Special 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.120 Teams Podcast. Jason Smith and Mike Harmon hit us up 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.680 on Twitter at how About a Fresca or at Swollen Dome. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.520 We are now taking a look back at the Michigan Wolverines, 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.040 first Michigan team to win the national title and over 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:02.959 fifty years. He began the fall season with a big 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.760 win over Colorado to three. They followed up the next 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.240 week by beating Baylor thirty eight three. And you're thinking, okay, 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.079 this Michigan team is not bad. They get into their 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.240 big Week three showdown with No tre Dame and that 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.880 really is, for the longest time, was always the official 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.920 beginning of college football. When Michigan plays No tre Dame. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.280 Now they play very rarely. They're not gonna play again 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.680 until fourteen years. Yeah, Michigan able to look, Hey we 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:33.360 won the last game. They were all talking. Social media 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.880 was so good after that. We don't care, we don't 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.520 play you guys. We're gonna play you guys with the 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.959 fifteen years say whatever. That Yeah, so much coming out 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.960 because you already you have to build up for that game. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.160 But what they did to Colorado was historic in its 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.160 own way, right. That was a one games that that 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.880 was the lowest output that Colorado had had. And then 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.240 you get to Notre Dame. You got Paulos and you 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.760 got the first year of Bob Davey. So you've got 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:01.160 the shiny new look. And remember ron Polis that he 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:05.040 was going to, Hey, we'll win multiples with No tre Dame. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.160 And then you know when I had when I had 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.120 him on my radio show after when I was at ESPN, 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:11.400 I would have him on every week and he was 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.720 so awesome. And one time I was joking around about 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.040 Ron Palace and he goes, oh, I talked to him 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:17.560 the other day. I go, but you did, He goes, 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.080 He's the quarterbacks coach at No. Tre Dame. Of course 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.120 I talked to him. I talked to him all the time. 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:23.960 I was like, oh, I didn't know, like he still 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.040 had a related talked to Ron Palace all that time. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.400 I always felt bad for Ron Polace because they kept 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.920 trying to make him run the option when he was 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.800 a statuesque stand behind the tackles and make a throw 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.480 quarterback like Gretchian Winers kept trying to make Ron Palace happen. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.840 Then it just didn't happen, for he's not getting the 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:45.000 outside stop. Week three's game against Notre Dame was a 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.199 nail biter. No points in the fourth quarter for Notre Dame. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.360 Michigan scores two touchdowns in the third quarter, and they 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.800 really put the game away late despite the fact they 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.040 turned the football over repeatedly in the fourth quarter. A 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.559 handoff was botched, gave no name the football. Notre Dame 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.800 drove to the twenty yard line, but they had a 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.680 key stop on fourth down and Michigan ran out the 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.839 final three and a half minutes of the clock. They 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.040 turned it over. This was the first nervous moment of 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.320 the year from Michigan, but the defense was able to 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.240 hold firm a storyline that would go on throughout the 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:20.760 rest of in a spotlight game to get to three 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.160 and oh and I mean, because let's face it, all 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.640 eyes are on this game, right, You've got Florida State 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.320 and Nebraska doing their things, and that'll be the other 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.000 story that weaves in and out throughout what Michigan is doing. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:37.440 But you look at the dominance and especially fourth quarter scoring, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.600 like that's that's that became the hallmark on his defense, 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.679 and especially with those giveaways. We talked about it all 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.200 the time in the NFL talking about in college football 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.480 the ability to bend a little bit but pick up 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.720 for the other thirds, right, failures on offense or special teams, 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.240 or if your defense is struggling, having a quarterback that 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.679 can will you and push you over the top in 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.080 points totals here of the defense, just stop after stop. 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.400 You watched highlights of this group and just watch how 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.439 they swarm to the ball is really something to watch. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.120 So now Michigan suffers are or gets through their first test, 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.520 nearly suffering their first loss. A couple of big wins later. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.040 I'll gloss over the one against Northwestern. You're all, we've 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.800 beating him two years in a row before that, you did. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.360 Brian Cohen's had a couple of field goals. He scored 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.800 the first second half points against a man. Also, we're 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.280 stealing the plays off of their sideline before the Patriots 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.880 made it fashionable. You're all, you're kind of doing that smart. Well, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.080 you are very smart. If you're too dumb to cover 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.280 up your signals, that's my old rule of thumb. Everybody's 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.720 trying to get an advantage Baseball, football, etcetera. If your coach, 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.120 your quarterbacks, whomever, too dumb to PI figure out that 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.400 they're tipping calls. We keep seeing it in twenty nineteen 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.600 teams as well. Michigan takes their undefeated record to Iowa 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:56.120 four weeks six, and Iowa jumps all over them in 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:00.040 the second quarter. They scored twenty one points, punctuated and 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.040 by a punt return for a touchdown on the final 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:07.120 play of the first half by Everybody's all American Tim Dwight, 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.560 one of my favorite guys, Dwight. Tim Dwight, I'll tell 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.000 you we we had a great story because at Northwestern, 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.920 right small campus and the visiting teams busses, they're right 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.320 outside and at the time you're collecting autographs or you know, 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.000 you just want to go meet a player, a coach. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.760 Very easy to get close and Tim Dwight was. There 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.360 was such a market and this is a big deal 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.960 as we talk about the licensing and ability for players 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.560 to make money off of their name. Back in the day, 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.320 they had state sheriffs that traveled with the Iowa team 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.720 because there was such a market for Tim dwight autographs 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.800 in Iowa that they'd literally he'd look at me. Have 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.920 we seen these guys before? It was their job to 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.240 say yes or no? And we saw a guy that 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.960 had traveled from Iowa City for the game, like, Noe, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.120 we know you, he's not signing for you, but he 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.800 signed for everybody else. Couldn't have been nice. But that's 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.920 how much of an industry and how popular Tim Dwight 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.960 was at his peak. Later played very successfully in the NFL, 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.400 including a Super Bowl run with the Atlanta Falcons, but 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.040 this was a game the defense would once again close 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.480 out for Michigan. After Michigan gets back in it, Brian 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.840 Greasy scores on a fourth and goal sneak from the 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.240 one yard line to give Michigan the lead, but then 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.440 Iowa takes the lead back after a big kickoff return 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.760 by Tim Dwight. Again, Michigan takes the final lead in 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:34.280 the game after Brian Greasy throws a touchdown to Jeremy Tuman. 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.280 Iowa drives all the way down to Michigan's fifteen yard line, 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.320 but Sam Sword picks off Matt Sherman with thirty seconds 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.680 left to go that secures the win. And it was 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.480 once again, boy, as good as we've been, the defense 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.720 really pulled us out of that. You look at Greasy 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.640 three interceptions in this game, setting up opportunities, Riowa and 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.840 Tim Dwight showing what special teams could do right just 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.800 the game breaking opportunity and their their last field goal 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.600 kind came off that seventy two yard return. But once 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:10.320 again defense coming up big and just many stars off 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.399 of that defense. Yes, Charles Woodson would get all of 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:17.160 the headlines, but guys like Sam Sward came up big time. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.560 And again now you mentioned Charles Woodson, and this is 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.760 really where his Heisman campaign began, which was Week seven 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.359 against Michigan State and Nick Saban, you have, yes, you 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.080 have an undefeated Michigan team. This is before Nick Saban 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.360 was Nick Saban. This is when it was Nick Saban's 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.399 getting the head coaching job at Michigan State. Really, Oh 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.360 all right, I guess so, okay, we got we got Michigan, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.480 so we got we got him. They went to John L. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.440 Smith after that, and you know that, look, Michigan State 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.280 through a bunch of guys before they finally got to 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.240 Mark D'Antonio, who has been great. It was great for 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.800 a long time. But Nick Saban really cutting his coaching 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.800 teeth with Michigan State. But this is the game in 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:57.200 which Charles Woodson announced his Heisman candidacy. Long being looked 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.760 at as one of the best defensive players in college football, 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.120 one of the best defensive backs, he's starting to play 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.879 offense now for Michigan and he's cutting through the clutter. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.280 He becomes the story. What's the story of this Michigan 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.920 football team. Well, their defense is good, in their quarterback 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.080 is okay. But hey, Charles Woodson's the guy who's excelling 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.200 on defense and he's starting to play offense. The first 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:20.200 two way star the sported scene in a while. Rod Woodson, 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.199 when he left perdue to go to the NFL, had 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:23.840 a couple of great games at running back at the 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.280 very end of his run, but he wasn't a two 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.920 way player like Woodson was for the majority of a 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.960 national championship season. So Woodson's getting all the attention. And 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.959 it's Week seven against Michigan State where really his heisman 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.840 candidacy is announced in earnest for the first time. Yeah, 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.520 I mean, you have a couple of big interceptions and 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.200 that brought his career total of fifteen. And you start 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.639 when you're talking about the history of Michigan and every 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.480 graphic is here's where he ranks all the time. You 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.320 really get to start pushing that narrative. And Michigan State 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.840 was five and one at this point underhead coach Nick 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.920 Saban Nick Saban before he was Nick Saban. Remember meeting 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.359 him as he became Nick Saban and moved over to 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.320 l s U. Okay, No, he was a lot of 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.119 fun chatting it up. He thought it was a you know, 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.280 a new new world, new change. I'm like, why are 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.919 you leaving a big ten Man's wrong with us? Why 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.960 you gotta go over to the other because mayn't beat 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.840 Michigan because we're Michigan. But that's just it. I was 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.000 trying to celebrate it, but I mean they had done 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:23.800 so well to that. I mean, that was the best 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.720 start they'd had in thirty years, okay with that Michigan 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.159 State team. So when we look at Nick Saban, he'd 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.400 gotten everything moving in the right direction. Unfortunately he now 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:38.440 faced an absolute juggernaut on that defensive side of the ball. 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.320 Michigan States scored in the first quarter, did not score again. 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.320 Charles Woodson with two interceptions and in a big highlight game. Hey, 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.439 here's Woodson with two picks following week against Minnesota. Follows 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.360 it up with a thirty three yard touchdown on the 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.320 ground against the Golden Gophers in a game that Michigan 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.840 won going away as well. So now you have Woodson 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.640 with two interceptions. Here he's on a top down run. 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.920 Charles Woodson two way star. When I say cut through 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.119 the clutter, there's always there's always big pastors, there's big runners, 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:08.720 there's big stories. But when you get something that you 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.760 haven't seen in a while, wait a minute, wait a minute. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.040 This is this guy playing both ways. He's playing offense 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.359 and defense and special teams. Remember he was a big 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.400 punt returner as well. So this is something that everybody 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.919 hooked into. And suddenly Michigan became the stars of college 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.520 football because long tradition program winning all these games. And 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:26.840 now you've got a guy that's one of the Heisman 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.960 Trophy favorites. Look at what he's gonna do and some 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.680 of the amazing work on defense. You mentioned special team, 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.560 but now in this game, six team plays on the 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.800 offensive side, including that reverse, and what they did in 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:40.800 the second half, this is also I popping. They give 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:44.800 up ten yards of offense in a half. That's like 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:50.920 Chicago Bears twenty nineteen, like the Jets on any play yards, 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:52.760 I thought I'd take one for the team there. I 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.359 didn't want to make fun of the Jets. I didn't 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.119 want to turn this into a therapy session. That buddy, 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:58.879 that's okay. I mean we do that four hours a 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.480 night nationally. He's so well, why do that here? The 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.480 next week they beat Penn State. He catches a thirty 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.960 seven yard touchdown and also holds Joe Gurrovicious, who was 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.120 Penn State star wide out to twenty yards, receiving two 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.800 catches for twenty yards. When Joe Gurovicious was how are 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:16.959 they gonna stop him? Look at what he's done, and 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:20.320 he does absolutely nothing, And now it's boy. Charles Woodson 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.240 is great on both sides of the ball. They beat 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.720 Wisconsin in week ten. They run a trick plane which 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.080