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Speaker 2: Good but not good enough which describes us, but maybe

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Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeau as well. Eight seven to seven to three

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Speaker 2: DP Show Email Addressdpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter or handle at

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Speaker 2: DP show. Good morning if you're watching on Peacock or

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Speaker 2: listening on our radio affiliates around the country. Good but

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Speaker 2: not good enough with Tom Thibodeau got your team to

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Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference Finals, probably against a few odds, but

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Speaker 2: the fact that you had home court advantage against the Pacers,

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Speaker 2: and it almost felt like a foregone conclusion with the

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Speaker 2: environment in New York City, that city was ready to

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Speaker 2: explode with the next going and playing for a championship,

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Speaker 2: and that it didn't happen. You lose game one at

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Speaker 2: the buzzer, and then you lose Game two, then all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, we're not going to the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: When does management decide that Tom Thibodeau is not the

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Speaker 2: right guy for the job. Was it that game one

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Speaker 2: and then game two? Was it when he went to

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Speaker 2: his bench finally, or was it when they got eliminated,

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Speaker 2: or maybe it was earlier. But you can't give your

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Speaker 2: coach a thirty million dollar contract extension just about a

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Speaker 2: year ago, and then all of a sudden move on

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Speaker 2: from him.

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Speaker 3: Actually you can't, Actually you can't. Just did Yes, you did?

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Speaker 3: All right? I have a poll question.

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Speaker 2: the official trading cards of the program, seat and doing

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Speaker 2: the honors. With the poll question, let's recap hour one

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Speaker 2: and what do you have in store for hour two?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we put up there the Knicks are nutsy or

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Speaker 4: gutsy by firing their head coach. Right now, eighty three

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Speaker 4: percent are saying.

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Speaker 2: NUTSI NUTSI okay, they're nutsy.

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Speaker 3: What are we going to go with? An hour two?

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Speaker 3: Hour two?

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Speaker 4: So glad that you asked, we are going with. We

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Speaker 4: just had one here sent over from Paul, kind of

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Speaker 4: out of the blue. If you could get one plastic

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Speaker 4: surgery of your choice on the house, what would it be?

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Speaker 3: Paul?

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Speaker 4: Would you like to elaborate on what you're thinking of

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Speaker 4: having a nipped in time?

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Speaker 3: What do you think needs to be done to you?

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Speaker 5: Paul?

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Speaker 6: Me, No, I overheard a conversation the bros all of

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Speaker 6: us were just discussing random people getting plastic surgery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Kardashians, and.

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Speaker 6: We brought this topic up every five or six years,

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Speaker 6: and now we're getting a little bit older. Would anyone

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Speaker 6: get one any type of improvement surgery?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll start with you.

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Speaker 6: Uh my nose, I broke it years ago. If it

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Speaker 6: was on the house, I would get my uh nose fixed.

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Speaker 6: I broke it like in ninth grade or something.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the old deviated broke my nose.

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Speaker 3: Got to get it fixed.

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Speaker 6: Times it wasn't debian septim. I got beat up some

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Speaker 6: bigger than face.

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Speaker 4: All right, Okay, I fixed this broken nose from thirty

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Speaker 4: years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. I would.

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Speaker 2: I had a couple of friends and they got nose jobs,

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Speaker 2: but then they had deviated septems.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know what a deviated septim is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's a good excuse to get

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Speaker 2: your nose done. I know a few girls in high

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Speaker 2: school that had deviated septoms. Yeah, got their nose taken

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Speaker 2: care of. What about you, Marvin, what would you change?

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Speaker 7: I love the way it just uh you know what.

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Speaker 7: It wouldn't be anything like skin. I'd get like new teeth,

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Speaker 7: like veneers.

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Speaker 2: Veneers, Okay, like Rex Ryan vneers. Don't go too white. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's what happens.

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Speaker 3: I won't go too quat guys.

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Speaker 2: Guys get when they get older and then they get

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Speaker 2: veneers and they always have that really really bright smile.

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Speaker 7: It is like we have a couple of people that

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Speaker 7: have been guests on our show. You see him, You're.

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Speaker 2: Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Todd, what would you change?

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Speaker 8: Maybe some kind of tummy talk. I know there's diet,

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Speaker 8: and there's exercise, and there's all kinds of injections out there,

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Speaker 8: and you know where one day, if you're even five

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Speaker 8: pounds overweight, everyone's going to look at you like an alien.

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Speaker 8: Everyone's skinny except.

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Speaker 3: For your exercise is free.

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Speaker 8: Yeah that's true. But I'm saying like, if I can

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Speaker 8: change right now and not wait a year and a

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Speaker 8: half for an injection or something like that, I just

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Speaker 8: wanted to starting tomorrow to look a lot better than

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Speaker 8: I would. If you're making me pick one, i'd say,

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Speaker 8: tightened the waist and hipps.

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Speaker 5: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm not forcing you to pick. I'm

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Speaker 2: just having fun. Yeah, it's okay, you don't have to

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Speaker 8: I would I would like to be smaller in the

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Speaker 8: waist and hips area seating.

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Speaker 5: What would you do?

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Speaker 3: Because we have offered to pay for hair plugs or

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Speaker 3: a hair people.

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Speaker 8: I'm kind of fine with the hair thing.

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Speaker 3: Just just wear I would I had, I'd be fine

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Speaker 3: with it too. You know, it's an air of confidence, Satan.

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Speaker 3: What about you?

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Speaker 4: Maybe if I started losing my hair, I might get

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Speaker 4: that taken care of. I don't know if that counts

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Speaker 4: as plastic surgery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what do you got now? Your hair? You got?

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Speaker 3: You got good moss? Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't really have something that I'm like, Man, I

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Speaker 4: would really love to change that because if I, if

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Speaker 4: I did, I would m okay, you know I wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be like if I really hated my nose

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Speaker 4: or something, I would just get my nose fixed and

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Speaker 4: be like, yeah, yeah, I got my nose done, No

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Speaker 4: big deal.

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Speaker 3: Mine got broken playing basketball?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Mine got broken at a concert once I got kicked

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Speaker 3: Were you in a mosh pit? I was as a

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Speaker 3: great story. Actually, as a matter of fact, I was.

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Speaker 3: It was the.

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Speaker 4: Dropkick Murphy's on Saint Patrick's Day. They were playing in Actually,

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Speaker 4: my hometown in New Jersey, and uh, I was right

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Speaker 4: a big doc Martin smashed me right in the nose,

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Speaker 4: and the crowd picked me up and like floated me

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Speaker 4: so security could grab me. And the lead singer Al

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Speaker 4: Barr was like singing and he saw me coming. I

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Speaker 4: was covered with blood and I could he's singing this

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Speaker 4: look at this kid. And he pulled me up on stage,

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Speaker 4: put his arm around me. We sang like a line

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Speaker 4: off the stage. It was one of the coolest moments

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Speaker 4: of my life. True story. Yeah, yeah, he pushed off stage.

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Speaker 2: And then you broke your arm and that's what I

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Speaker 2: broke my arm and then yeah, then I really had

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Speaker 8: Yes, you got drop kicked at the dropkick Murphy did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh righty, okay, let me see Vincent Goodwill of

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Speaker 2: Y'aho Sports covers the NBA.

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Speaker 3: He'll join us. The final start tomorrow night, and the

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Speaker 3: Stanley Cup Final starts tonight.

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Speaker 2: With the rematch of Edmonton and Florida. I do have

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Speaker 2: the odds this morning. The favorite to be the next

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Speaker 2: Nick's head coach is Michael Malone, who coached Denver. Johnny Bryant,

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Speaker 2: did we find is he a Cavs assistant coach. I

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Speaker 2: don't know much about Johnny Bryant, but he's got the

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Speaker 2: second best odds, and then a distant third is Jay Wright,

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Speaker 2: along with Mike Budenhozer, Rick Brunson Jalen Brunson's dad, and

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Speaker 2: Monty Williams is also in there. John Caliperi down the list.

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Speaker 2: Danny Hurley is there. Jeff Van Gundy is kind of

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Speaker 2: sneaky in my opinion. I always liked him as a

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Speaker 2: head coach. He's been an assistant coach for a while.

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Speaker 2: Of course, he was broadcasting for a long time. I

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Speaker 2: have to put Rick Patino on there, just because he's

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Speaker 2: Rick Pattino and he would take the job in a second.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Don Johnny Bryan.

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Speaker 8: Listed as a Cavs associate head coach.

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Speaker 3: Associate head coach.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, but Michael Malone the probably the clubhouse

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Speaker 2: leader right now. But there'll be wide, you know, speculation

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Speaker 2: here Danny Hurley grew up a Knicks fan. He grew

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Speaker 2: up in Jersey City. That doesn't mean that he's right

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Speaker 2: for the job, or he should take the job. I

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Speaker 2: think he still should be in college for a little

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Speaker 2: while longer. Yeah, he flirted with the Lake and probably

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Speaker 2: would have taken it, but his wife, I think talked

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Speaker 2: to him off the ledge to say no, let's let's

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Speaker 2: because he even said to me, I got to mature

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Speaker 2: a little bit. And you go into the Nick every game,

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Speaker 2: you're under the microscope every game. You know, at least

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Speaker 2: with Connecticut, you know, you're not followed by you know,

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Speaker 2: a large group of you know of reporters. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is and he's a college guy, like his dad

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Speaker 2: just because you grew up a fan of the Knicks

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you're the right guy for that job.

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Speaker 3: Now, could he do it?

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Speaker 2: Sure, he's a great coach, But I just think I

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Speaker 2: go back to Jerry West. Every single loss affected him

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Speaker 2: as a player, as a coach, as a GM every

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Speaker 2: loss he got to the point where he couldn't watch

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Speaker 2: He couldn't sit down and watch them, and the Lakers

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Speaker 2: were great. I mean, imagine if he was, you know,

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Speaker 2: watching a really bad team. He's got the Lakers and

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Speaker 2: they're competing and winning championships, but every single loss hurt.

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Speaker 2: And it feels like that's the same way with Danny Hurley.

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Speaker 2: Now at Yukon, you're not losing that many games in

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Speaker 2: the NBA. You're going to lose a few and when

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Speaker 2: you get into the postseason and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: these losses and then people want answers. I mean, Yukon,

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Speaker 2: you know, didn't play well this past season, but I

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Speaker 2: don't know how many people are going Danny Hurley is

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Speaker 2: the issue. It was, Hey, sometimes that transfer portal gives

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Speaker 2: you gold. Sometimes you get lemon Sometimes you get lemonade.

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Speaker 2: And you got a Hall Pass because he's won a

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Speaker 2: couple of national titles. They're not going to give you

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Speaker 2: that Hall pass with the Knicks more than a year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah see, but it could be.

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Speaker 4: Partially the same problem with Danny Hurley's season at Yukon

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Speaker 4: and the Knicks.

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Speaker 5: This year.

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Speaker 3: You brought in the wrong dudes.

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Speaker 4: You brought in a couple of the wrong guys that

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Speaker 4: have messed up the whole season.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if everybody was down on the

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Speaker 2: Karl Anthony town. I mean I didn't I wouldn't want him,

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Speaker 2: But I don't know if people looked at that and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: that's the missing piece here. I mean, obviously you made

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Speaker 2: that trade because you were missing something. I just don't

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Speaker 2: want a seven foot shooting guard. I mean, and he's

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Speaker 2: a very good offensive player. But in today's NBA then

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Speaker 9: Good morning dance shrinking five to ten and a biscuit

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Speaker 10: Hey, I just think that Tid's getting.

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Speaker 2: Knicks don't have to apologize because they beat them, or

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Speaker 8: Possible that players can say one thing publicly about how

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Speaker 3: Are you saying that, Brunson?

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Speaker 8: I'm saying that it's possible that not everyone is so

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Speaker 3: Series, of course. I mean I could say, Todd, what

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Speaker 5: You're fabulous?

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Speaker 3: And then you could go home and be complaining to

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Speaker 8: Asked, guys, I can't do anything, And.

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Speaker 3: That's happened, hasn't it.

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Speaker 5: I've had some.

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Speaker 8: Words with my wife overdidd and a frustrating moment. You

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that's a safe word. Publicly and privately. You

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Speaker 8: And I just wonder how significantly did you try to

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Speaker 2: And this great, great timing after our twenty third anniversary.

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Speaker 8: Twenty three years of a day today, baby, yeah, let's.

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Speaker 3: Go yeah real nice, Yeah, great timing. Yesterday was yesterday.

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Speaker 3: That's true, Paul and Iowa, Hi, Paul, what's on your

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Speaker 11: Hey?

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Speaker 12: Dan?

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Speaker 10: Well, first best of the midweek. It's a beautiful day

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Speaker 10: here for a baseball high school doubleheader in the only

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Speaker 10: point to call in about today is that Michael Malone

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Speaker 10: is not going to turn Kat into joker. And you

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Speaker 11: Hour that Tat had only one block in the entire series,

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Speaker 11: and that brought to my mind the stat that Wilt

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Speaker 11: and it really holds you back having your best big

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Speaker 2: Effort Yeah, but I don't he's not going to change.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's athletic. I think he's talented. There's

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Speaker 2: He can shoot, you know, he can you know, beach

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Speaker 7: Yes, Marvin, that's what we'll so with disappointing because TABS

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Speaker 2: Well, nobody calls out Jalen Brunson because he can't play defense. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why, but we call out Steph Curry

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Speaker 2: he can't play defense. Certain players you call him out,

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Speaker 2: they can't play defense. The joker, he can't play defense.

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Speaker 2: Luca Well, Luca can't play defense. Yes, Marvin Well.

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Speaker 7: I think they came to a head for Steph Curry

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Speaker 3: Ye, whoever Steph is guarding? Yeah, go at him? Yes,

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Speaker 2: Yahoo Sports. Get his thoughts on why Tom Thibodeaux was

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Speaker 2: All right, here's your question. Tom Chibodeaux was fired because

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Speaker 5: Then New York Knicks wanted to fire.

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Speaker 12: I think we try to make things a lot more complicated.

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Speaker 5: Than they are.

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Speaker 12: If we make the Eastern Conference Finals in the year

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Speaker 12: regardless of the circumstances, and you take out the defending

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Speaker 12: enough for you to keep your job, that meant that

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Speaker 12: You can talk about the Knicks roster and how top

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Speaker 12: think that is something Dan that we don't talk about

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Speaker 12: those second aprons, those very relative investment heavy. You know,

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Speaker 12: parts of the CBA, the expectations are championship and even

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Speaker 12: if the roster doesn't look like a championship, the investment

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Speaker 12: maybe Tom Thibodeau took this team as far as it

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Speaker 12: You know there was a lot of chemistry issues that

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Speaker 15: You've seen an NBA champion that had defensive issions at

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Speaker 5: At the real with the center, and you won a championship.

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Speaker 12: I don't know if God himself could have worked the

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Speaker 12: magic that Tom Thibodeau was asked to work in these playoffs.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying then they overachieved with Tom Thibodeau not

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Speaker 12: Yes, absolutely, I don't look at well. I would say

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Speaker 12: this to the fans. Did you know that Landry Shammit

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Speaker 12: Thibodeau threw them out there? Now you can say Tips

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Speaker 12: didn't develop his bench and everything else and depth in

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Speaker 12: today's game wins. When you look at the Oklahoma City Thunder,

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Speaker 5: You are absolutely correct.

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Speaker 12: But when you build a team that says Michel Bridges,

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Speaker 11: Times.

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Speaker 12: You don't have the to develop a bench, and I

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Speaker 5: Now if you tell me that.

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Speaker 12: Jalen Brunts and Carl Thomas of the Keil Bridges went

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Speaker 12: know what you're thinking. Maybe this isn't the guy that

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Speaker 12: help us move forward. Okay, fine, because this is a

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Speaker 12: totally different team than the team Tips took over all

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Speaker 12: those years ago. It's a much more talented offensively Bay's

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Speaker 12: team and maybe that's the reason. But either way, that's

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Speaker 12: what Dan We've all find out because Punk's of Tony

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Speaker 12: Field will never come out of his shadow.

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Speaker 5: And I'm talking about Leon Road. We never see that man.

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Speaker 12: I will be bald headed, but we never see Leon

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Speaker 12: Rose in public again. And let me tell you all,

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Speaker 12: I got a good hairline still.

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Speaker 14: See.

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Speaker 2: I think that if you make a move, you fire

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Speaker 2: a coach or hire a coach, you should get in

442
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Speaker 2: front of the media. You got the media capital of

443
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Speaker 2: the world, New York City. You made the move. If

444
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Speaker 2: I'm a fan, I would like to at least have answer,

445
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Speaker 2: what was it that we didn't get and what are

446
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Speaker 2: you bringing in now? He might show up if they

447
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 2: bring in Michael Malone, take a victory lap, and then

448
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Speaker 2: maybe they don't ask questions about Tom Thibodeaux.

449
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Speaker 3: But you got to get in front of the media here, right, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, And I'm surprised that Nick fans, well, for one,

451
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Speaker 12: Nick fans don't like the media. Nobody likes the big

452
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Speaker 12: bad media. So when the media says, hey, there's a

453
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Speaker 12: need for public accountability, you know, you can look at

454
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Speaker 12: that a lot of different spheres of our world today.

455
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Speaker 12: Nobody likes the media when they got that accountability is necessary.

456
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Speaker 12: But let me say to this point, even if you

457
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Speaker 12: go hire with Michael Malone, what is the difference between

458
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Speaker 12: Michael Malone.

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Speaker 5: And Tom Thibodeau.

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Speaker 12: Wasn't Michael Malone hired in a large part because of

461
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Speaker 12: his inability to work with the front office to develop

462
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Speaker 12: young players.

463
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Speaker 5: Isn't that one of the complaints about Tom Thibodeau.

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Speaker 12: Don't they come from the same New York sort of

465
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Speaker 12: free the tree of NBA coaches.

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Speaker 5: I feel like they're kind of similar.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they know who they're hiring.

468
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Speaker 5: No, I don't think they know who they're hiring.

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Speaker 12: I think and I don't necessarily know if you have

470
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Speaker 12: to know who you're hiring. I don't think this is

471
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Speaker 12: the case of when the Pistmas fired Brig Carlisle in

472
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Speaker 12: two thousand and three, they knew they had Larry Brown

473
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Speaker 12: in their back pocket and they want to win the

474
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Speaker 12: championship the next season to validate it.

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Speaker 5: I don't think this is that.

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Speaker 12: I think they are walking in this with a relatively

477
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Speaker 12: open mind. You see the list of guys, even some

478
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Speaker 12: coaches who are feeling the contract they owe Tom Thibodeaux

479
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Speaker 12: thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 5: I will say this, and I'm gonna go back to

481
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Speaker 5: firing of tips.

482
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Speaker 12: When you fire a coach for thirty million dollars left

483
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Speaker 12: on this deal and you're willing to eat that.

484
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Speaker 5: It's not just the owner, because I've.

485
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Speaker 12: Heard three hours before, Hey it's Tom thiberto say and

486
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Speaker 12: someone told me, two people told me inside that building,

487
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Speaker 12: close to that building. They said, unless Dolan wants to

488
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Speaker 12: So I don't thinking with Jim Dolan. I don't think

489
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Speaker 12: it was just the players in those closes door. It

490
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Speaker 12: means I think they had long made this decision, and

491
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Speaker 12: I don't think they had necessarily a list of who

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Speaker 12: they had in front of them exposed.

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Speaker 5: Donalist I think. I don't think it's gonna be Jay Ryden.

494
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Speaker 5: I feel it's gonna be Ji back gunned do or

495
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Speaker 5: anything like that. I think it's the New York Vicks

496
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Speaker 5: being the New York Vicks.

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Speaker 3: What about Danny Hurley?

498
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Speaker 5: Have you seen Danny Hurley on the sideline?

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, my job is just to ask

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Speaker 3: the question.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to ask a question and give an answer,

502
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Speaker 2: So you don't.

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Speaker 5: Want to you don't want to lead the witness.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, It's something that's unique in this business.

505
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Speaker 2: Doesn't happen very often where the host just asked the question,

506
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Speaker 2: doesn't ask answer, and then to ask, so what about

507
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Speaker 2: Danny Hurley.

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Speaker 12: I don't believe that Danny Hurley has the sort of temperament.

509
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Speaker 12: An eighty two game season, the scrutiny of the New

510
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Speaker 12: York media, and then the NBA playoffs. You are at

511
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Speaker 12: the point now where reaching the conference finals is the

512
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Speaker 12: floor where it's like that girl always dated and when

513
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Speaker 12: we first met, she said, the bar is the floor.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to do much. I have to change

515
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Speaker 5: for you who grig The bar is a.

516
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Speaker 12: Lot higher now for them and how they have to move.

517
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Speaker 12: So you have to be careful about what type of

518
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Speaker 12: coach you bring in because there's the scrutiny, because it's

519
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Speaker 12: the Dolan factor, because it's worldwide Wars. Maybe Rick Brunson,

520
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Speaker 12: you know Leon Rose. It's all these different factions inside

521
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Speaker 12: the building. And again I ask you what championship coach

522
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Speaker 12: the coach Karl Tower defending the round and Jalen Brunton

523
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Speaker 12: and being an out right so a legative factor on

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Speaker 12: defense at the point of a touch I Doe and

525
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Speaker 12: Jalen Brunton at six peaks zero pm. There's so much

526
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Speaker 12: of a team's offense. If you're talking about Knicks, player

527
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Speaker 12: is not sure what their role is. He has so

528
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Speaker 12: much of a disproportionate value on the offense being run.

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Speaker 12: I don't think they talk about that. He's like James Harten,

530
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Speaker 12: He's like Luca Danton and guys around that have a

531
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Speaker 12: hard time playing. So I don't even offensively, you have

532
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Speaker 12: the philosophy for the skin to build a championship team.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Vincent Goodwill, Yeaho's sports senior NBA writer, I

534
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Speaker 2: did laugh at the end of the year. You know,

535
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Speaker 2: after they get eliminated, people now start pointing out that

536
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Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns can't play defense. And I'm thinking, did

537
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Speaker 2: anybody watch him prior to getting to New York. He

538
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Speaker 2: doesn't play defense. I don't know if he tries that.

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Speaker 2: That'd be even sadder if he was. If he was

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Speaker 2: actually trying to play defense, I'd rather just go with

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Speaker 2: I'll use my energy on the offensive end.

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Speaker 12: Well, you guys played Princess seventeen days coming in Princess,

543
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Speaker 12: one of Prince's favorite musicians with she leave with the bongos.

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Speaker 5: That's what Karl Anthony Towns does when he's playing. He's

545
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Speaker 5: just back too upside the head. And this said, you

546
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Speaker 5: know why I did that, And you're right. We saw

547
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Speaker 5: Paul Towns with.

548
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Speaker 12: Rudy Go there in Minnesota. They surrounded him with defensive players.

549
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Speaker 12: It was a dog on defense day. Mcdamis is a

550
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Speaker 12: dog on defense. You have to surround him with players

551
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Speaker 12: at all different levels that sort of mitigate what he

552
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Speaker 12: does because.

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Speaker 5: He's not going to change. He's ten years in.

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Speaker 12: He's a wildly efficient offensive player, a wildly talented offensive player.

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Speaker 5: But also Jalen Brunston.

556
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Speaker 12: Had a grand total DAN of five assists the Carl

557
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Speaker 12: Anthony Towns in the Eastern Conference Finals.

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Speaker 5: Something is not working with the mix with those two.

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Speaker 12: Prol played his best when Brunson was on the bench,

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Speaker 12: and then when Brunton's on the bench, Probab gets you

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Speaker 12: a foul though, All.

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Speaker 2: Right, NBA Finals, tell me how long? Yeah, that's happening,

563
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Speaker 2: rumor has it? Do you think the Knicks make the

564
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Speaker 2: announcement of the next head coach during the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: David Stern was always had a problem. Don't take away

567
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Speaker 2: from the finals. But I don't know if you know

568
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Speaker 2: this commissioner cares or the Knicks care. But will they

569
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Speaker 2: hire their head coach by.

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Speaker 3: The end of the NBA Finals, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Not sure if you know.

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Speaker 12: Emperor Stern is much more of than a thiritarian figure

573
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Speaker 12: than Adam Silver, who's a little bit more on the

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Speaker 12: diplomatic side.

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Speaker 5: Right, if you're assuming that the NBA.

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Speaker 12: Finals go longer than five games, maybe, but the NBA

577
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Speaker 12: Finals stretch out for like two weeks.

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Speaker 5: I had to pack like seventy.

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Speaker 12: Five finals, work with work, the problems and stuff to

580
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Speaker 12: carry here. But to answer your question, Dan, seriously.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks. I don't think

582
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Speaker 5: the Knicks chare. You don't think I don't think James

583
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Speaker 5: Dolan cares. And like we say, Leon rules doesn't have

584
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Speaker 5: to be a common with anything.

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Speaker 12: Nobody publicly or maybe even privately when these things come out.

586
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Speaker 5: But I think if they find their guy, if their guys.

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Speaker 12: Out there and he's not coaching in this series, and

588
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Speaker 12: I don't think that he is, you go ahead and

589
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Speaker 12: you make the announcement, you get it out and whatever

590
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Speaker 12: Adam Silver says.

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Speaker 5: They don't care the league. They gonna tell you this.

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Speaker 5: The Knicks get a thing with the league's office. Sid

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Speaker 5: the league.

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Speaker 12: Doesn't even have to went black Burners, they should against

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Speaker 12: the leader are going to inspire.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how do the Pacers win the series? Not make

597
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Speaker 2: it a series? Win the series?

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Speaker 12: Lockshak gilges Alexander up like that movie with Damon Wayne's DNA.

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Speaker 5: And hopense like that. No, I think offense is the

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Speaker 5: key here in the mor League. We say when you

601
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Speaker 5: get TNBA violence is about defense and stopping the other team.

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Speaker 5: You're not going to stop the Oklam citygub. You're not

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Speaker 5: going to stop Shape given us.

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Speaker 12: Alexander from being fouled with least baiting direction. To believe

605
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Speaker 12: they can stole, you have to press the pace. Harris

606
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Speaker 12: Halliburner is by bark the most important player in this series.

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Speaker 12: The one mistake that Anthony Ellis made with the one

608
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Speaker 12: development in his game is that you got to see

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Speaker 12: what he gave up the ball. You knew exactly where

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Speaker 12: he was because he was not moving about it. That

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Speaker 12: enable Obama City's defense to keep an eye the arms

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Speaker 12: on him. Harris Halliburton has a steaming glass kind of

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Speaker 12: quality where he can be a different points on the

614
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Speaker 12: floor where you have to accompliy him for different players.

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Speaker 12: If he can get this Oklahoma City defense mixed up

616
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Speaker 12: and twisted up with we actually I'm not saying it,

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Speaker 12: then maybe you have a better chance. Remember the different

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Speaker 12: Nuggets on Lakole Yokis and they took this team seven

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Speaker 12: the games and they get blown out in the game seven.

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Speaker 12: But the games that they want, they shot the ball

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Speaker 12: extremely well and they played flawless basketball down the stretch.

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Speaker 12: We've seen the Indiana Pacers have come back victories against.

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Speaker 5: Cleveland and against the lew York Blicks, where.

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Speaker 12: They defied the odds and came back and played flawless

625
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Speaker 12: basketball in the last two minutes after hanging around.

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Speaker 5: From being down twenty, of being doul ten, whatever the

627
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Speaker 5: case may be.

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Speaker 12: And Rick Carlock is a wizard of a coach, so

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Speaker 12: why it doesn't seem likely that is the path.

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Speaker 5: Hyris Halliverton has to be a monster in this series.

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Speaker 5: The Pacers have to shoot what they shot against the Knicks.

632
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Speaker 5: We go over thirty nine percent, which is I hurt

633
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Speaker 5: you million? The number. They have to shoot well into the.

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Speaker 12: Forties and you have to win the crunch time manage

635
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Speaker 12: and even then I don't oh for sure they win

636
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Speaker 12: the series.

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Speaker 3: And go back to the Knicks. For this question, what

638
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Speaker 3: do you think about Rick Battino coaching the Knicks?

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Speaker 5: You I'm jumping back to the way back. I mean,

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Speaker 5: is he bringing Billy Donovan back with him? Is he

641
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Speaker 5: bringing you know, Patrick Dewey and those eighty nine and

642
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Speaker 5: kicks when they chat to the path fok, that's a

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Speaker 5: great question.

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Speaker 12: I don't know if Jeff Van Gundy is being answered.

645
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Speaker 12: I don't know if Rick Patino, who is what we

646
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Speaker 12: gotta be worth seventy six, seventy seven years old, if

647
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Speaker 12: he has the stamina to do that, and the words

648
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Speaker 12: of Rick Patino and the press conference maybe twenty five

649
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Speaker 12: years ago, Patrick Dewey at walcome through that Charles Oakley

650
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Speaker 12: and walking.

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Speaker 5: Through that door. You know, Charles Opie will ain't walking

652
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Speaker 5: through that door Rick.

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Speaker 2: Allowed to walk through exactly. He literally can't walk through

654
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Speaker 2: that door. They won't let him walk through that door.

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Speaker 2: I was watching that thirty for thirty on the Pacers

656
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Speaker 2: and the Knicks with Reggie Miller and John Starks, and

657
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Speaker 2: you saw some of those schools, like the Pacers would.

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Speaker 3: Get seventy eight points.

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Speaker 2: It was almost like first team to ninety points would

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Speaker 2: win win those games. But it was it was exciting

661
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Speaker 2: and intense. It wasn't necessarily great basketball, but it was

662
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Speaker 2: like so physical and that I don't know, did the

663
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Speaker 2: commissioner have this light go off and say, aesthetically, this

664
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Speaker 2: isn't a this isn't good basketball because Cleveland. I remember

665
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Speaker 2: Mike Furtello and pat Riley with the Knicks. They love

666
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Speaker 2: that physicality with that but I don't know. Was there

667
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Speaker 2: an edict that said, we have to make this more

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Speaker 2: open and let these great athletes be great athletes again.

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Speaker 12: Well, remember this specifically, go back to nineteen ninety five

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Speaker 12: where Reggie does the eight points and nine and a

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Speaker 12: half seconds in the scores for where they were. The

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Speaker 12: next year, the NBA moved the three point line up

673
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Speaker 12: from twenty three nine to maybe twenty two to six

674
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Speaker 12: for the next two seasons, and then they moved the

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Speaker 12: line back again.

676
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Speaker 5: To and pre scoring.

677
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Speaker 12: So that was one of those things. And then the

678
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Speaker 12: Detroit Pistons, the forty eight minutes of Hell team came

679
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Speaker 12: and was holding teams under seventy points.

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Speaker 5: And then the next year you got to see the

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Speaker 5: handshake and removed.

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Speaker 12: Steve Nash won two MVPs for seven seconds of Les

683
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Speaker 12: Ganti Sons, and that's where he started to see sort

684
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Speaker 12: of the evolution of the game. Michael Jordan finds a

685
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Speaker 12: way to cure all ills, and Michael.

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Speaker 15: Jordan's the pacer get on marriage, what's going on? That's

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Speaker 15: why thirty points. Then it looks a lot different than

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Speaker 15: thirty points. When he gave me the numbers from there,

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Speaker 15: they say such on such a better right and hob

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Speaker 15: I say, wow, how.

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Speaker 3: Would Steve Nash be in today's game.

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Speaker 12: If Steve nat realized that he had the green like

693
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Speaker 12: to shoot more? And I think it as opposed to

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Speaker 12: being an eighteen and thirteen guy or a sixteen and

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Speaker 12: twelve guy, if he turned into like a twenty three,

696
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Speaker 12: twenty two and eleven guy, Steve Nash might have a

697
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Speaker 12: championship bringer too.

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Speaker 5: In his jewelry case. I think he would be.

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Speaker 12: I think the point guards to previous when you talk

700
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Speaker 12: about the Steve Nashes that Jason kidds, of course, you know, the.

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Speaker 5: Isaiahs and magics.

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Speaker 12: Those guys would be so much better in today's game,

703
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 12: not because of shooting, but because the room isn't plucked.

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Speaker 12: They're getting to the land and getting layups all day

705
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Speaker 12: because you have to guard from thirty feet out and

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Speaker 12: you don't have one big un at the rim let

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Speaker 12: alone to read.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I remember coaches would tell me that they had to

710
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Speaker 2: yell at Steve Nash to shoot. Imagine you have to

711
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Speaker 2: tell somebody to shoot because he didn't shoot enough. And

712
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: they said, you know, now you're hurting us that you're

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Speaker 2: not shooting enough. And he was a a ninety fifty

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Speaker 2: forty guy. I think before we even thought what a

715
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Speaker 2: ninety to fifty forty guy was, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 12: He was amazingly efficient and sometimes when you take more

717
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Speaker 12: volume of shots, the efficiency goes on. Some people are

718
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Speaker 12: so married to you know, whatever the numbers are, that

719
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Speaker 12: they you know, they don't worry about winning the game,

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Speaker 12: to worry.

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Speaker 5: About winning the statistic battle. I don't think Steve Nash

722
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Speaker 5: was like. I think Steve Nash was a hard those competitor.

723
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Speaker 12: And when you have Sean Marry and Mario Startamar and

724
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 12: those guys who needed to be fed at the ball,

725
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Speaker 12: you get more into a passive point of view. But

726
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 12: it makes a better offense if you wind up getting

727
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 12: up the court and you're trying to get limbs and

728
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 12: you're driving the score as opposed to driving the pass,

729
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Speaker 12: because sooner or later the defense catches up to that

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Speaker 12: and they play you for the pass as supposed to

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Speaker 12: playing you for it.

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Speaker 5: Threat.

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Speaker 3: What would Barkley be like today?

734
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Speaker 5: Illegal? Because who's garden though? Dan?

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Speaker 12: Who's guarding a six foot six, lightly quick athletic three four?

736
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Speaker 12: Remember Charles played a lot of three in his latter

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Speaker 12: days in Philly, where he played with Rick mchurran and

738
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Speaker 12: Mike Jaminski, and he almost won MVP in nineteen and

739
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Speaker 12: nined playing a small forward. If you gave Charles Barkley

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Speaker 12: and open the floor, you said, Charles Barkley, the three

741
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Speaker 12: point shot is a shot that we have to take.

742
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Speaker 12: Then you, if you play up on them, drives to

743
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Speaker 12: the basket. If he posts up the floor spread, you

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00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 12: can't double them. If you tell them, Charles gonna be

745
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Speaker 12: fifty from you to night. That's what you got. The

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Speaker 12: only hope is that he Charles, you got to play

747
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Speaker 12: deep best. Can you get it to a stand and

748
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Speaker 12: you rotate? That's the only question.

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Speaker 2: As Charles has told me many times, as long as

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Speaker 2: Larry Bird's in the league, I won't be the worst

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Speaker 2: defensive guy.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 12: Hey, look there's a play near and deer to a

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Speaker 12: lot of Detroit talks that Larry Bird was a pretty

755
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 12: damn good defensive player.

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Speaker 5: So I'll take a little umbrage on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, sometimes, you know, you look at Lebron and I

758
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: could say five greatest plays of his career. One is

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Speaker 2: going to be the chase down block on Ego Dala.

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Speaker 2: I can talk about Michael Jordan's five greatest plays the

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Speaker 2: steal against Karl Malone that's set up the game winning

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Speaker 2: shot that won, you know, the game in Utah, which

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Speaker 2: we thought was his final game. And then Larry Bird

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Speaker 2: with a steel against the Piston. So great players making

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Speaker 2: great plays, but making great plays at both ends of

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Speaker 2: the floor.

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Speaker 12: Well remember that All Jazz game six with Chicago was

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Speaker 12: on a Sunday, and I all it wasn't the reference.

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Speaker 5: But the mailman don't deliver.

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Speaker 3: On Okay, all right, all right?

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Speaker 2: He like, no, No, that's something that Fritzy would have said.

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Speaker 2: He would have said that, and I always said time

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Speaker 2: you're better than that.

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Speaker 5: Well I am. I am a detroiter.

775
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Speaker 12: And Karl Malone knocked Isaiah Thomas's head wide open with

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Speaker 12: forty somethings stitches because the catch scorch John stopping in

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Speaker 12: the aftermath of the Dream Team stuff. Well, I don't

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Speaker 12: really have a whole lot of level Calo, I say

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Speaker 12: it like that.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Thank you, Vincent, always Dan,

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Speaker 2: that's Vincent Goodwill. He's covering the NBA Finals from Yahoo

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Speaker 2: Sports always good. As Marvin says, we get into the crates,

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Speaker 2: that means that we we delve into the.

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Speaker 3: Archives with the NBA. Absolutely all right.

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Speaker 2: Well take a break. Phone calls coming out uh final hour.

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Speaker 2: John Buchagraz from the mother Ship covering the Stanley Cup Final,

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Speaker 2: and Big Shot Bob.

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Speaker 3: Will join us as well. We're back after this.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.

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Speaker 5: This just in.

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Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns has undergone treatment for a bruise left

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Speaker 2: knee and he has some ligament damage on his left finger,

795
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Speaker 2: sources told The Mothership. Both injuries suffered during the next

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Speaker 2: playoff run. By the way, I have odds for next

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Speaker 2: year to win the championship.

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Speaker 3: Let me see if I can find these things. I

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Speaker 3: need a secretary over here to help me with all

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Speaker 3: the things I've got here. Nowhere is no, it's not there,

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Speaker 3: it's not there. Here it is.

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Speaker 2: I got him NBA title odds next year the favorite

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Speaker 2: is ok. See then it's two teams tied for second

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00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: place best odds to win the title next year.

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Speaker 3: Marvin, I'm gonna start with you Celtics. No, Paul, what

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Speaker 3: that was my guest? All right? Wow? Todd Minnesota. No, Seaton.

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Speaker 4: Uh, well, considering the Celtics is the right answer, but wrong.

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Speaker 3: How about the Cavaliers.

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Speaker 2: No, it's the Thunder and then tied for second the

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Speaker 2: Pacers and the Knicks. That's the expectation level just went

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Speaker 2: up a notcher two. So it's Nixon Pacers, then it's Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: and then it's Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: Did they fire their head coach and their odds improved?

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Speaker 3: I think so, yes, Paul.

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Speaker 6: This has to do with Tatum's injury. Yeah, but like

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Speaker 6: I thought, this was one of those where he'll be

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Speaker 6: back mid season, early season.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Time to play fill in the blank? Do we have

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Speaker 2: music for filling the bl I don't know if we do.

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Speaker 2: But even if we don't, oh, we do. The New

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Speaker 2: York Knicks are blank. Todd delusional, Seaton exact same, Marvin.

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Speaker 6: Gambling, Paul always reactionary.

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Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeau with thirty million dollars on the way, should

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Speaker 2: do blank next?

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Speaker 3: Todd kick back for a while, seatan nothing, Marvin vacations,

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Speaker 3: Paul coach Pepperdine. Coach Pepperdine, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Say oh, I'm rooting for the Colorado Rockies. The Colorado

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Speaker 2: Rockies to Blank Todd improve quickly, Seatan be historically bad,

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Speaker 2: Marvin be the worst. Paul win a lot Stanley Cup Final.

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Speaker 2: I'm rooting for Todd, the Edmonton Oilers, Seaton, Edmonton Oilers, Marvin,

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Speaker 2: Leon Dreysidel of course Edmonton, Yes, Paulie, the country of Canada.

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Speaker 2: If I played hockey, position would be blank Todd.

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Speaker 8: The anti enforcer, trying to break up fights and keep

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Speaker 8: the peace.

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Speaker 3: You'd go in there calmly.

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Speaker 8: Come on, guys, you didn't mean to smack you in

839
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Speaker 8: the jar with an accident.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Seaton, what about you want to be in

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00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: the net all right? Marvin wherever Gretzky played, Paul goaltender

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Speaker 2: Robert ORI's career is blank Todd highlight slash, moment driven

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Speaker 2: setan legendary Marvin Basketball Hall of Fame worthy, Paul Unicornish

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Speaker 2: plastic surgery is blank Todd risky in vain.

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Speaker 16: But could boost one self esteem. Perhaps, seatan perfectly fine

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Speaker 16: option Marvin for rich folks, folly a slippery slope. Yeah,

847
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Speaker 16: because once you do a little bit, it's like tattoos.

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Speaker 16: If you're going to do a little and then you

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Speaker 16: do a little more, and then you do a little

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Speaker 16: more and then you never stop that potato chips.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you to.

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Speaker 2: Two Hours in the Books, Man goes by when you're

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Speaker 2: having fun with your friends, and Todd, I know.

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Speaker 3: You took a shot first hour. I did rightfully sell

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Speaker 3: them and I came back rightfully.

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Speaker 5: So very competitive.

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00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: I am extremely competitive, all right, John Butcher, Gross, he's

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00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: coming up. And Robert or or oh jungle Love. Two

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Speaker 2: Hours in the books. One more to go, let's go,

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00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: come on, let's get together, come on now, come on,

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Speaker 2: let's go, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Come on. One, two, three, can coon y'all