WEBVTT - 042223 Living in the Aftermath of Anti-Black Violence (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host.

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsey's job is ramses joh I am Q ward.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, got my voice back. I was starting to

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<v Speaker 2>like the quiet storm.

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<v Speaker 3>Rams, you know, but I'm back to being Q now

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<v Speaker 3>and you guys are tuned in to Civic Cipher.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we need that man que back in the land

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<v Speaker 1>of the Living sounding good. And uh that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>thing because we got a whole lot to bring you

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<v Speaker 1>this week. Of course, crazy stories all across the news,

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<v Speaker 1>not the least of which is Ralph Yarrel and the

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<v Speaker 1>emotional roller coaster that that's been. For those that don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>please stay tuned because we will educate you on all

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<v Speaker 1>the goings on with that story. And if we're honest,

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<v Speaker 1>that story got us to thinking about the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>anti black violence that we have to deal with in

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<v Speaker 1>this country and what it's like to live in the

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<v Speaker 1>aftermath of that. A lot of times we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>stories that are very final in that it often results

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<v Speaker 1>in death. So today we're going to talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>it's like to live in the aftermath of anti black

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<v Speaker 1>violence for those that do survive. And we have a

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<v Speaker 1>story from our own backyard we're joined in the studio

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<v Speaker 1>by Marshawn Neely, So welcome to suitio.

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<v Speaker 2>Brother. Yes, thank thank you, thank you all. I'm honored

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<v Speaker 2>to beat me here.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely. So he's gotten a crazy story to tell us,

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<v Speaker 1>and the story does have a happy ending, and that

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<v Speaker 1>you're still here with us and you're actually fighting back,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can't wait to peel back the layers of that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in the middle of a lawsuit as well, right, yes, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So definitely a lot to stick around for there. We're

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<v Speaker 1>also going to be talking about for the way Black

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<v Speaker 1>history fact the origins or the Black origins in hockey. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know that's something that I didn't know about

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm really excited to share that with you because

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that black people didn't start playing hockey until

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<v Speaker 1>shut the eighties maybe, but actually goes a lot deeper

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<v Speaker 1>than that. So stay tuned for that and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>But first and foremost, it's time for some Ebony excellence,

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<v Speaker 1>so q, I think this one is for you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I was thinking about the Abney Excellence for

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<v Speaker 3>this week to say, I got a little bit emotional

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<v Speaker 3>when I read about the subject of our Abney excellence

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<v Speaker 3>would be putting it lightly. But this week's Abney Excellence

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<v Speaker 3>is brought to you by ramses afro. Okay, if you've

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<v Speaker 3>never seen this thing, it is glorious. There's the reason

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<v Speaker 3>why a lot of us smile. It's like sunshine. But

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<v Speaker 3>I talk to you guys a little bit about a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more about that later. The story comes from

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<v Speaker 3>CBS Sports Build. Safety Tomar Hamblin announces his plan to

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<v Speaker 3>return to the NFL after what a lot of us

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<v Speaker 3>saw as a very, very scary on field collapse and

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<v Speaker 3>what can only be described as a remarkable recovery. Tomorrow

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<v Speaker 3>has been fully clear to return to football activities. Man

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<v Speaker 3>who I had to take a deep breath reading that,

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<v Speaker 3>because I saw this incident live when it had.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thankful and blessed, Hamler said at a press conference Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 3>end quote, blessed to have wonderful trainers here who treat

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<v Speaker 3>me with love and care as if I was one

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<v Speaker 3>of their own children. This event was life changing, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's not the end of my story. I'm here to

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<v Speaker 3>announce that I plan on making a comeback to the NFL.

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<v Speaker 3>The diagnosis of what happened to me was basically commodio cordis.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a direct blow out, a specific point in your

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<v Speaker 3>heartbeat that causes cardiac arrests and five seconds later you

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<v Speaker 3>fall out. That's what everyone has seen back on January

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<v Speaker 3>second of this year, all of us that's seen that,

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<v Speaker 3>I can say that we were terrified in the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>He's been clear for football activities. I'm hoping this brother

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<v Speaker 3>makes a recovery and that he does not find himself

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<v Speaker 3>in any life threatening positions as a result of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Prayers up for DeMar Hamler. I think that's ebony excellence

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<v Speaker 1>we've ever seen. That's resilience, right, talk to me about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, all right. So living in the aftermath

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<v Speaker 1>of anti black violence, as I mentioned, our guest today

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<v Speaker 1>is Marshaun Neely, and you know, let's let's not keep

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<v Speaker 1>folks waiting. Why don't you tell us the story of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to you. Your most recent encounter with the

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<v Speaker 1>police only just started off as a normal day. Then

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<v Speaker 1>they just went all down heel from there. You and

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<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend we got into a simple argument that day.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted me to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>I was getting ready to leave anyway, just to d

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<v Speaker 2>defuse the situation. And I think her mother had suggested

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<v Speaker 2>to her to call the police. That that that that

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<v Speaker 2>that way, not nothing happens, you know, any fighting or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But like like I I want to let you guys know,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't condone domestic violence or you know, women hitting

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<v Speaker 2>men or men hitting women. It was just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a simple argument that happened that day and the police

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<v Speaker 2>were called to my house. And when the police arrived,

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<v Speaker 2>they actually already opened my door to my house. It

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<v Speaker 2>was unlocked and I didn't know, so in the video

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<v Speaker 2>you could see me coming around the corner the door

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<v Speaker 2>is the jard I instantly closed the door. I let

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<v Speaker 2>them know they were okay because they actually came later.

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<v Speaker 2>It took them a while to come. So by that

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<v Speaker 2>time we already diffused a situation. We talked, talked, talked

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<v Speaker 2>it out. She wanted them to leave, and I shut

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<v Speaker 2>the door. The next thing you know, they bust down

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<v Speaker 2>my door. And when they bust down the door, in

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<v Speaker 2>the video, you you could see me like ball up

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<v Speaker 2>because I thought that they were just gonna grab my

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<v Speaker 2>hand and turn me around and just you know, detain me.

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<v Speaker 2>Asked me what happened, because at this point in time,

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<v Speaker 2>whenever the police are called, you're still innocent into proving guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I didn't feel like any crimes was committed.

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<v Speaker 2>I never hit anyone. I never touched anyone, so I

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<v Speaker 2>thought they were going to talk to me. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>normally if someone is called, they just asked one of

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<v Speaker 2>the parties to leave into things die die down. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>I think by me being black, they just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>take it there. So they didn't like the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>I shut the door to my own house. My lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>Kwacy Smith, he's a retired police officer, and he basically

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<v Speaker 2>told me like that was a bad idea to shut

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<v Speaker 2>the door because they're still going to investigate. So they

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<v Speaker 2>broke the door down, and from there, the first police officer,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of grabbing my arm and putting it behind my back,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's normally how you get arrested, they take your

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<v Speaker 2>arms and put them in handcuffs, instead of him doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>he actually took my head and like slammed it into

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<v Speaker 2>the wall. He slammed it into the wall. I wind

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<v Speaker 2>up losing four teeth automatically. I got two of them fixed.

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<v Speaker 2>That was almost like three thousand dollars, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>still got to get the other two two fixed. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>working on that now. But he slammed my head into

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<v Speaker 2>the wall. I lost four or four teeth. They take

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<v Speaker 2>me to the ground. Now, when they take me to

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, it's three officers on me, and one officer

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<v Speaker 2>has his arm across my nose and face, so I

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<v Speaker 2>can't breathe at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is still in the in the doorway of your house.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I had the video footage and I released that.

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<v Speaker 2>So at this time I'm letting the police know. Like

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<v Speaker 2>in the video that they released on the news, they

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<v Speaker 2>actually muted every word out that I said, like when

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<v Speaker 2>they took me to the grounding them. No, I'm not resisting,

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<v Speaker 2>h I'm not resisting. I can't breathe because at that

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<v Speaker 2>time he's like basically holding my nose in my mouth

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<v Speaker 2>because he got his arm across me and we got

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<v Speaker 2>like three officers what they need need needs in my back. So, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you ad at this time, when they take me to

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, they break four of my teeth. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not trying to escalate the situation anymore. I feel my

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<v Speaker 2>teeth like falling out my mouth. I'm like, hey, my

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<v Speaker 2>hands are behind my back. So the next thing they do,

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<v Speaker 2>an officer reaches and grabs my hand, and that's when

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<v Speaker 2>he snaps my finger, and half he like he broke

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<v Speaker 2>my bone to my finger, and he broke my knuckle.

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<v Speaker 1>So and this is what I'm seeing right here on

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<v Speaker 1>your finger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So when you break a bone, a bone can

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<v Speaker 2>be fixed, but my knuckle cannot be fixed. I had

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<v Speaker 2>needles in my hand, so like half of my knuckle

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<v Speaker 2>is sitting right here. The other half is sitting right here.

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<v Speaker 2>This finger, I can't bend at all, is permanently gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be like this for the rest of my life. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't use this finger. I can't write all day long

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<v Speaker 2>a massage in it. So when he reached down to

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<v Speaker 2>put put on me your handcuffs, they break my four teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>They slam me into the wall, They slam my head,

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<v Speaker 2>they break for a teeth. Now and grabbing my hand,

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<v Speaker 2>the officer snaps my finger. I feel it. I yell

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<v Speaker 2>now the way they hit me on the ground, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>laying like at an angle, so half of my body

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<v Speaker 2>is sticking out my laundry room. My legs are inside

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<v Speaker 2>the laundry room.

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<v Speaker 1>Your lund room is by the front door.

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<v Speaker 2>Is by the front door, so half of my legs

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<v Speaker 2>are are inside the laundry room door, and that's when

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<v Speaker 2>they bring the K nine in. I'm not running, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not resisting. And at this point, the K nine handler

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<v Speaker 2>he yells at the police officer, give me a give

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<v Speaker 2>me a leg, give me a leg, and the police officer,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of him helping the other two finished putting me

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<v Speaker 2>in hand handcuffs so they can get off of my

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<v Speaker 2>back and stop me because I'm almost finna pass out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it's like, I'm finna die. Like I really

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<v Speaker 2>felt what George Floyd felt that day when they put

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<v Speaker 2>these in his back. I just thought I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>die because I can't breathe. So instead of him helping

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<v Speaker 2>the police, the officer gets off of my back and

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<v Speaker 2>he's really holding down my legs real quick, real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to paint a picture for folks that are

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the story. So how tall are you?

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<v Speaker 2>How much you have I'm like one forty, I'm probably

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<v Speaker 2>like five five.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, keep going okay, and these officers are huge, huge,

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<v Speaker 2>just what I want to huge, caep telling me. So

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<v Speaker 2>once he gets off of my leg. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>straighten my body up because I'm at an angle for

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<v Speaker 2>my legs automatically like straighten out and they go down.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when the officer releases the dog on my

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<v Speaker 2>leg and the dog actually bit my leg for almost

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<v Speaker 2>a minute. They couldn't get them all. He bit my

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<v Speaker 2>leg for a minute. And then that's when I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>telling them like get the dog, scream and get it

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<v Speaker 2>at the dog. And at the time, it is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I got kids in the house, man. So my kids

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<v Speaker 2>still asks me to this day, like are any is

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<v Speaker 2>anybody gonna come in the house and hurt dad? Or

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on with dad? Like my kids still remember

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<v Speaker 2>me screaming, you know the stuff that went on. How

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<v Speaker 2>long ago was this?

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<v Speaker 1>Did this happened?

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<v Speaker 2>This happened in November?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, yeah, so and you've been dealing with this

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<v Speaker 1>ever since. I'm sure every since. Okay, So keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>So after they yanked me up off the floor, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't walk, so they're basically like dragging me out the house.

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<v Speaker 2>So they cut the video. They edited the video where

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<v Speaker 2>they take my what words out when.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling them, first off person, how long did it

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<v Speaker 1>take for you to get that video from which which

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<v Speaker 1>police department was this? Good Year Police, good Year Police

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<v Speaker 1>and Arizona, Arizona. Okay, how long did it take for

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<v Speaker 1>you to get the video?

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<v Speaker 2>Took them almost four months they released, Yeah, almost four months.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they released an edited version of the video,

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<v Speaker 1>an edited version, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Where literally my words are muted. You don't hear me

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<v Speaker 2>say I can't breathe. You don't hear me say I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not resisting. You don't hear me say any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I see in the video, so I know.

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<v Speaker 2>So they edited that that that out, And what they

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<v Speaker 2>edited too is like they didn't show like how my

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<v Speaker 2>neighbors were concerned. They were outside praying for me and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. So once they bring me out the house,

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<v Speaker 2>they like, sit me on a curb, and I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>leaking blood everywhere, leaking blood. Can I see?

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<v Speaker 4>Can I see what you're where? The dog baby? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, of course, just so I could see it

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<v Speaker 4>is this is where they stitched it up.

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<v Speaker 2>The dog bad me here And the main part was

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<v Speaker 2>that kept me from walking for months is when he

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<v Speaker 2>bit the back of my calf muscle.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm laying down, get a little closer, So explain that

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<v Speaker 1>again in the bare Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So when he bit the back of my calf, mo mama.

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<v Speaker 2>So they weren't able to stish this up or do

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<v Speaker 2>anything to it. It just had to heal naturally, and

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<v Speaker 2>that took months and it still hurts to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>I have trouble walking. I could be here. He can walk,

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<v Speaker 2>I can stand up straight. It's just it's horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you, this was the duck. Did

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<v Speaker 1>the duck bite and then shake?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, shaking lock He locked to my leg. Now, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you I never I didn't been in a fight before,

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<v Speaker 2>but I never had a broken bone. I never had

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<v Speaker 2>anyone knock forward my t teeth out, and I never

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<v Speaker 2>had a dog maull my leg off. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know about surgeries at this time. I went

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<v Speaker 2>through several surg surgeries. But when the ambulance finally came,

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<v Speaker 2>they took me to the hospital. You know, Ofuficer was

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<v Speaker 2>joking with me like, all you you never played rugby before.

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<v Speaker 2>People get their teeth knocked out every day, like it

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<v Speaker 2>was a normal thing for me to be missing four teeth,

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<v Speaker 2>for my finger to be broken. So they take me

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<v Speaker 2>to the first hospital. And at the first hospital, when

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<v Speaker 2>you're in police custody, they don't let you use telephones

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<v Speaker 2>to contact your family members to let them know what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on, because they feel like by me being charged

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<v Speaker 2>with a misdemeanor, I could break out of jail and

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<v Speaker 2>have somebody come to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>The free minute. You said this was a misdmeanor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all this is a misdemeanor charge. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And did these officers fear for their life? Did they did? They?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they were they did they get the sense that

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<v Speaker 1>you were trying to run or escape or anything like.

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<v Speaker 2>In a nine one one call it was actually stated

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<v Speaker 2>that I had no weapons and I did not hit anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know why they took it that far.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, keep going. So you can't call anyone

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<v Speaker 1>from the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I get to the hospital, it's a big

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<v Speaker 2>ordeal about the cops because the police they have to

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<v Speaker 2>sit with you inside the hospital. So it's a big

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<v Speaker 2>ordeal about Hey, we're switching shifts. Now one is ready

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<v Speaker 2>to go home, so they'll talk and tell me about

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<v Speaker 2>surgery now, so I'm scared. They're like, oh, we got

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<v Speaker 2>to stick you with needles. We got to put you

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep. I'm gonna have to O O open you up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, let me call some of my family members

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<v Speaker 2>and they let them know what's going on. So they

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<v Speaker 2>refused me a phone call at the hospital and they

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<v Speaker 2>just say, like, I never signed the paper, so you

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<v Speaker 2>got to sign a paper saying that you refuse service.

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<v Speaker 2>I never signed the paper, so they instantly just yanked

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<v Speaker 2>me out the hospital bed, drag me back to the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they take me to jail. So now I'm at

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<v Speaker 2>the jail. The jail was completely wrong from even accepting

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<v Speaker 2>me into jail because the CEOs let them be. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't accept no one into jail with broken bones

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<v Speaker 2>and it's leaking blood, so they went against protocol. They

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<v Speaker 2>let me go to the Copa County County jail with

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<v Speaker 2>a broken finger, broken teeth, my leg leaking. So they

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<v Speaker 2>basically just throw me in the cell for about ten

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<v Speaker 2>hours and I'm ringing the bell constantly. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to put too much blame on the Marra Copa

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<v Speaker 2>County Jail because I feel like I shouldn't even been

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<v Speaker 2>there to begin with, Like I feel like I should

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<v Speaker 2>have just been left at the hospital to. I needed

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<v Speaker 2>the proper care so I could digest what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm still thinking it's a movie, Like I can't believe,

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<v Speaker 2>like what was happening. So they they take me to

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<v Speaker 2>the cell. They leave me in the cell for almost

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<v Speaker 2>ten hours. I probably got the jail at like nine

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning. I didn't make it to the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>till midnight that night. So I'm in the cell just

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<v Speaker 2>all day, leaking blood, pressing the bill, Hey, I need help.

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<v Speaker 2>I need some type of antibiotics. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>catch infection anything like that. I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 2>dog has rabies anything like that. So they leave me

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<v Speaker 2>in the cell all day, twelve sixteen hours. Finally, a

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<v Speaker 2>black CEO that works for the jail, I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>his name. He just tells me, like, man, that's messed up.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't supposed to take you into jail. They weren't

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to leave us with this job to bring you

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<v Speaker 2>to go get care like it was just they really

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<v Speaker 2>felt bad for me. So that's why I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to put the blame on them too much, because they

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<v Speaker 2>did show their sympathy, like, man, that's messed up. They

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have brought you here. They should have took four responsibility.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I'm in Valley Wise Hospital, that's the county

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<v Speaker 2>jail for Phoenix. I'm in there in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the night. You got it. Now, you think when I

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<v Speaker 2>get get to the hospital again, it's one o'clock in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning, there's nobody there to perform surgery. So they

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<v Speaker 2>basically just wrap me up and sit me in the

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<v Speaker 2>hallway to the morning. Now, it was probably like five

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<v Speaker 2>six in the morning. That's when all the doctors get

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<v Speaker 2>to work. Now they perform a surgery later that afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>they performed the surgery. I wake up. I got needles

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<v Speaker 2>sticking out my hand. Brother, yes, I got needles sticking

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<v Speaker 2>out my hand. I got stitches in my leg. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wrapped up, and Lily are.

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<v Speaker 1>Still missing at this time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm missing too. Still right now, I got two of

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<v Speaker 2>them fixed.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean while you're in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm missing teeth yeah no, no, no, dentist.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's another other thing. My teeth became infected because

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<v Speaker 2>once you get a chip tooth, oh oh up, until

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta have a rope rope rope canal, and they

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<v Speaker 2>got to pull pull out the nerve, so my teeth

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<v Speaker 2>became infected. So now I'm not a surgery. It's probably

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<v Speaker 2>like a day later. The sergeant for the the jail hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>he comes to the room and they just get to

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<v Speaker 2>snatching stuff out of my arm. Hey, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>He say, you gotta go? I say, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta leave? I'm still in pain, Like I still

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to make sure everything is okay. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just could. They literally kicked me out, probably twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hours after I heard my surgery, So they kicked

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<v Speaker 2>me out the hospital. They're like, you're not gonna stay

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<v Speaker 2>stay here, So they kicked me out. They take me

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<v Speaker 2>back to jail. Now I'm not in a regular population

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<v Speaker 2>where I could get assistance or anything like that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in a I'm in this the worst experience ever. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in a cell for twenty four hours a day by myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't got a phone, I don't got a TV,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't got a tablet, I don't got anything. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just in a cell by myself. Because it's affirm and reseale,

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<v Speaker 2>so they don't want you to get hurt by another inmate,

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<v Speaker 2>so they'll keep you in the sell bye bye by yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was on the lockdown for twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 2>for almost two weeks until they came with a plea

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<v Speaker 2>deal for me to get out of jail.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was a misdemeanor, You said, yeah, I missed themeaning.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was the charge?

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<v Speaker 2>They charged me with a lot of stuff like resistant

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<v Speaker 2>RUSS dis order conduct from the charges yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but they basically dropped all the charges and just charged

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<v Speaker 2>me with a I think it was a domestic violence

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<v Speaker 2>or interfering with court procedures. And then they just said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>take this please, we'll let you out of jail. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to serve a new jail time or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so now you're actually pushing back, right, So you

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<v Speaker 1>said you got a lawyer and you're taking legal action

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<v Speaker 1>because this was a gross abusive power by the Goodyear

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department. Yes, so, so tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about that the lawsuit. Yeah, you don't have to tell

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<v Speaker 1>anything that your lawyer wouldn't want you to say. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let the people notice has a happy end.

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<v Speaker 2>When I got out of jail, I basically called a

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<v Speaker 2>few lawyers. It was I'm not going to say, it

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of hard to get the case started, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of people probably didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>take the case on for free. Well, I found Kraacy Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>He was actually an African Americ American lawyer. He decided

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<v Speaker 2>to take the k case on for free. By him

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<v Speaker 2>being an ex police officer, he knows like how far

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<v Speaker 2>this should go and when it's enough is enough. So

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<v Speaker 2>he took the kkkse on and after that we we

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<v Speaker 2>found and no notice to claim to let them know

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<v Speaker 2>there will be suing them. But I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>let you guys know, it's not about the money, It's

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<v Speaker 2>about the accountability. Like I literally had situations where people

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<v Speaker 2>came to me after this said hey, I should have

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<v Speaker 2>stepped up and did the same thing, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>scared about the outcome. Like I had people that had

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<v Speaker 2>similar scenarios happened that never went this far as suing

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<v Speaker 2>the police or making them take account on ability for

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<v Speaker 2>what they're did. Let me what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>How have you been? I mean I've seen physically you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're doing better than you were, I'm sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>how have you been mentally since this is anna happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Horrible, horrible horrible, like I think the police is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>kick my door in. I don't feel safe in my

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<v Speaker 2>own home. I'm scared of dogs now, like every you

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<v Speaker 2>know Arizona, everybody has dogs, So I can't go to

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<v Speaker 2>the I actually have a little dog. Oh, I see,

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<v Speaker 2>I go to that.

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<v Speaker 1>You asked when you came in the studio, is there

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<v Speaker 1>a dog here? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm actually scared of dogs right right right now,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a lot to process. You want to jump

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<v Speaker 1>in or.

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<v Speaker 2>Typically human typically I do want to jump in today.

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<v Speaker 3>However, it's not typical because I'm usually just flatly enraged

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<v Speaker 3>by stories like this, except this time I'm sitting here

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<v Speaker 3>listening to a first hand account from a brother who

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<v Speaker 3>it's quite frankly, far more calm than I could possibly

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<v Speaker 3>be if I was retelling this experience. The idea that

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<v Speaker 3>our skin is criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to imagine it happened to someone else.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, and that I want I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to be colorful with my language. It's not hard to

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<v Speaker 3>imagine that because we have no such stories we talked about,

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<v Speaker 3>but we have none like you have to understand that

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<v Speaker 3>the climate of our country right now, there are people

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<v Speaker 3>who spend their entire days looking to debunk the myth

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<v Speaker 3>of racism, looking to debunk the idea that police target

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<v Speaker 3>us unfairly because we're black.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust me, if there were any such stories, they'd be

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<v Speaker 2>all over the place all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Right The poor young man who you know we're raising

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<v Speaker 3>money for, who we're talking about later on today, is

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<v Speaker 3>already people counter producing stories to counter his story. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>something happened to this white girl, and you guys didn't

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<v Speaker 3>raise that much money for her. It's like, even in

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<v Speaker 3>stories where we are by far the victim, they don't

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<v Speaker 3>want there to be a happy ending.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want us to feel any relief, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a sad it's a sad thing that our

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<v Speaker 3>country has now sunk to a place where we are

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<v Speaker 3>so divisive in our politics that we are now divisive

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<v Speaker 3>in our humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's something about this story too, before we

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<v Speaker 1>move on, that is kind of redundant in commonplace, because

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen this a lot. In fact, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>a story Jeffrey Ryan's in Salt Lake City who was kneeling,

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<v Speaker 1>had his hands up and the police sick the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>on him. And when I was trying to find out

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<v Speaker 1>his name, so many of those attack dog stories came up.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, you sent over video from the inside edition

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<v Speaker 1>and the title was our police dogs being ordered to

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<v Speaker 1>bite suspects unnecessarily. So we appreciate your story, and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>this is something we'll keep tabs on moving forward.