Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host.
Speaker 1: Ramsey's job is ramses joh I am Q ward.
Speaker 2: I say, got my voice back. I was starting to
Speaker 2: like the quiet storm.
Speaker 3: Rams, you know, but I'm back to being Q now
Speaker 3: and you guys are tuned in to Civic Cipher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need that man que back in the land
Speaker 1: of the Living sounding good. And uh that's a good
Speaker 1: thing because we got a whole lot to bring you
Speaker 1: this week. Of course, crazy stories all across the news,
Speaker 1: not the least of which is Ralph Yarrel and the
Speaker 1: emotional roller coaster that that's been. For those that don't know,
Speaker 1: please stay tuned because we will educate you on all
Speaker 1: the goings on with that story. And if we're honest,
Speaker 1: that story got us to thinking about the amount of
Speaker 1: anti black violence that we have to deal with in
Speaker 1: this country and what it's like to live in the
Speaker 1: aftermath of that. A lot of times we talk about
Speaker 1: stories that are very final in that it often results
Speaker 1: in death. So today we're going to talk about what
Speaker 1: it's like to live in the aftermath of anti black
Speaker 1: violence for those that do survive. And we have a
Speaker 1: story from our own backyard we're joined in the studio
Speaker 1: by Marshawn Neely, So welcome to suitio.
Speaker 2: Brother. Yes, thank thank you, thank you all. I'm honored
Speaker 2: to beat me here.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. So he's gotten a crazy story to tell us,
Speaker 1: and the story does have a happy ending, and that
Speaker 1: you're still here with us and you're actually fighting back,
Speaker 1: so we can't wait to peel back the layers of that.
Speaker 1: You're in the middle of a lawsuit as well, right, yes, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So definitely a lot to stick around for there. We're
Speaker 1: also going to be talking about for the way Black
Speaker 1: history fact the origins or the Black origins in hockey. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know that's something that I didn't know about
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to share that with you because
Speaker 1: I thought that black people didn't start playing hockey until
Speaker 1: shut the eighties maybe, but actually goes a lot deeper
Speaker 1: than that. So stay tuned for that and so much more.
Speaker 1: But first and foremost, it's time for some Ebony excellence,
Speaker 1: so q, I think this one is for you.
Speaker 3: You know, I was thinking about the Abney Excellence for
Speaker 3: this week to say, I got a little bit emotional
Speaker 3: when I read about the subject of our Abney excellence
Speaker 3: would be putting it lightly. But this week's Abney Excellence
Speaker 3: is brought to you by ramses afro. Okay, if you've
Speaker 3: never seen this thing, it is glorious. There's the reason
Speaker 3: why a lot of us smile. It's like sunshine. But
Speaker 3: I talk to you guys a little bit about a
Speaker 3: little bit more about that later. The story comes from
Speaker 3: CBS Sports Build. Safety Tomar Hamblin announces his plan to
Speaker 3: return to the NFL after what a lot of us
Speaker 3: saw as a very, very scary on field collapse and
Speaker 3: what can only be described as a remarkable recovery. Tomorrow
Speaker 3: has been fully clear to return to football activities. Man
Speaker 3: who I had to take a deep breath reading that,
Speaker 3: because I saw this incident live when it had.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 3: I'm thankful and blessed, Hamler said at a press conference Tuesday,
Speaker 3: end quote, blessed to have wonderful trainers here who treat
Speaker 3: me with love and care as if I was one
Speaker 3: of their own children. This event was life changing, but
Speaker 3: it's not the end of my story. I'm here to
Speaker 3: announce that I plan on making a comeback to the NFL.
Speaker 3: The diagnosis of what happened to me was basically commodio cordis.
Speaker 3: It's a direct blow out, a specific point in your
Speaker 3: heartbeat that causes cardiac arrests and five seconds later you
Speaker 3: fall out. That's what everyone has seen back on January
Speaker 3: second of this year, all of us that's seen that,
Speaker 3: I can say that we were terrified in the moment.
Speaker 3: He's been clear for football activities. I'm hoping this brother
Speaker 3: makes a recovery and that he does not find himself
Speaker 3: in any life threatening positions as a result of that.
Speaker 1: Prayers up for DeMar Hamler. I think that's ebony excellence
Speaker 1: we've ever seen. That's resilience, right, talk to me about it.
Speaker 1: I love that, all right. So living in the aftermath
Speaker 1: of anti black violence, as I mentioned, our guest today
Speaker 1: is Marshaun Neely, and you know, let's let's not keep
Speaker 1: folks waiting. Why don't you tell us the story of
Speaker 1: what happened to you. Your most recent encounter with the
Speaker 1: police only just started off as a normal day. Then
Speaker 1: they just went all down heel from there. You and
Speaker 1: my girlfriend we got into a simple argument that day.
Speaker 1: She wanted me to leave.
Speaker 2: I was getting ready to leave anyway, just to d
Speaker 2: defuse the situation. And I think her mother had suggested
Speaker 2: to her to call the police. That that that that
Speaker 2: that way, not nothing happens, you know, any fighting or anything.
Speaker 2: But like like I I want to let you guys know,
Speaker 2: why don't condone domestic violence or you know, women hitting
Speaker 2: men or men hitting women. It was just you know,
Speaker 2: a simple argument that happened that day and the police
Speaker 2: were called to my house. And when the police arrived,
Speaker 2: they actually already opened my door to my house. It
Speaker 2: was unlocked and I didn't know, so in the video
Speaker 2: you could see me coming around the corner the door
Speaker 2: is the jard I instantly closed the door. I let
Speaker 2: them know they were okay because they actually came later.
Speaker 2: It took them a while to come. So by that
Speaker 2: time we already diffused a situation. We talked, talked, talked
Speaker 2: it out. She wanted them to leave, and I shut
Speaker 2: the door. The next thing you know, they bust down
Speaker 2: my door. And when they bust down the door, in
Speaker 2: the video, you you could see me like ball up
Speaker 2: because I thought that they were just gonna grab my
Speaker 2: hand and turn me around and just you know, detain me.
Speaker 2: Asked me what happened, because at this point in time,
Speaker 2: whenever the police are called, you're still innocent into proving guilty.
Speaker 2: So you know, I didn't feel like any crimes was committed.
Speaker 2: I never hit anyone. I never touched anyone, so I
Speaker 2: thought they were going to talk to me. You know,
Speaker 2: normally if someone is called, they just asked one of
Speaker 2: the parties to leave into things die die down. Instead,
Speaker 2: I think by me being black, they just wanted to
Speaker 2: take it there. So they didn't like the fact that
Speaker 2: I shut the door to my own house. My lawyer,
Speaker 2: Kwacy Smith, he's a retired police officer, and he basically
Speaker 2: told me like that was a bad idea to shut
Speaker 2: the door because they're still going to investigate. So they
Speaker 2: broke the door down, and from there, the first police officer,
Speaker 2: instead of grabbing my arm and putting it behind my back,
Speaker 2: because that's normally how you get arrested, they take your
Speaker 2: arms and put them in handcuffs, instead of him doing that,
Speaker 2: he actually took my head and like slammed it into
Speaker 2: the wall. He slammed it into the wall. I wind
Speaker 2: up losing four teeth automatically. I got two of them fixed.
Speaker 2: That was almost like three thousand dollars, and then I
Speaker 2: still got to get the other two two fixed. I'm
Speaker 2: working on that now. But he slammed my head into
Speaker 2: the wall. I lost four or four teeth. They take
Speaker 2: me to the ground. Now, when they take me to
Speaker 2: the ground, it's three officers on me, and one officer
Speaker 2: has his arm across my nose and face, so I
Speaker 2: can't breathe at that time.
Speaker 1: This is still in the in the doorway of your house.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I had the video footage and I released that.
Speaker 2: So at this time I'm letting the police know. Like
Speaker 2: in the video that they released on the news, they
Speaker 2: actually muted every word out that I said, like when
Speaker 2: they took me to the grounding them. No, I'm not resisting,
Speaker 2: h I'm not resisting. I can't breathe because at that
Speaker 2: time he's like basically holding my nose in my mouth
Speaker 2: because he got his arm across me and we got
Speaker 2: like three officers what they need need needs in my back. So, man,
Speaker 2: you ad at this time, when they take me to
Speaker 2: the ground, they break four of my teeth. So I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to escalate the situation anymore. I feel my
Speaker 2: teeth like falling out my mouth. I'm like, hey, my
Speaker 2: hands are behind my back. So the next thing they do,
Speaker 2: an officer reaches and grabs my hand, and that's when
Speaker 2: he snaps my finger, and half he like he broke
Speaker 2: my bone to my finger, and he broke my knuckle.
Speaker 1: So and this is what I'm seeing right here on
Speaker 1: your finger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when you break a bone, a bone can
Speaker 2: be fixed, but my knuckle cannot be fixed. I had
Speaker 2: needles in my hand, so like half of my knuckle
Speaker 2: is sitting right here. The other half is sitting right here.
Speaker 2: This finger, I can't bend at all, is permanently gonna
Speaker 2: be like this for the rest of my life. I
Speaker 2: can't use this finger. I can't write all day long
Speaker 2: a massage in it. So when he reached down to
Speaker 2: put put on me your handcuffs, they break my four teeth.
Speaker 2: They slam me into the wall, They slam my head,
Speaker 2: they break for a teeth. Now and grabbing my hand,
Speaker 2: the officer snaps my finger. I feel it. I yell
Speaker 2: now the way they hit me on the ground, I'm
Speaker 2: laying like at an angle, so half of my body
Speaker 2: is sticking out my laundry room. My legs are inside
Speaker 2: the laundry room.
Speaker 1: Your lund room is by the front door.
Speaker 2: Is by the front door, so half of my legs
Speaker 2: are are inside the laundry room door, and that's when
Speaker 2: they bring the K nine in. I'm not running, I'm
Speaker 2: not resisting. And at this point, the K nine handler
Speaker 2: he yells at the police officer, give me a give
Speaker 2: me a leg, give me a leg, and the police officer,
Speaker 2: instead of him helping the other two finished putting me
Speaker 2: in hand handcuffs so they can get off of my
Speaker 2: back and stop me because I'm almost finna pass out.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's like, I'm finna die. Like I really
Speaker 2: felt what George Floyd felt that day when they put
Speaker 2: these in his back. I just thought I was gonna
Speaker 2: die because I can't breathe. So instead of him helping
Speaker 2: the police, the officer gets off of my back and
Speaker 2: he's really holding down my legs real quick, real quick.
Speaker 1: I want to paint a picture for folks that are
Speaker 1: listening to the story. So how tall are you?
Speaker 2: How much you have I'm like one forty, I'm probably
Speaker 2: like five five.
Speaker 1: I'm a little guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, keep going okay, and these officers are huge, huge,
Speaker 2: just what I want to huge, caep telling me. So
Speaker 2: once he gets off of my leg. I have to
Speaker 2: straighten my body up because I'm at an angle for
Speaker 2: my legs automatically like straighten out and they go down.
Speaker 2: And that's when the officer releases the dog on my
Speaker 2: leg and the dog actually bit my leg for almost
Speaker 2: a minute. They couldn't get them all. He bit my
Speaker 2: leg for a minute. And then that's when I'm like
Speaker 2: telling them like get the dog, scream and get it
Speaker 2: at the dog. And at the time, it is you know,
Speaker 2: I got kids in the house, man. So my kids
Speaker 2: still asks me to this day, like are any is
Speaker 2: anybody gonna come in the house and hurt dad? Or
Speaker 2: what's going on with dad? Like my kids still remember
Speaker 2: me screaming, you know the stuff that went on. How
Speaker 2: long ago was this?
Speaker 1: Did this happened?
Speaker 2: This happened in November?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, so and you've been dealing with this
Speaker 1: ever since. I'm sure every since. Okay, So keep going.
Speaker 2: So after they yanked me up off the floor, I
Speaker 2: can't walk, so they're basically like dragging me out the house.
Speaker 2: So they cut the video. They edited the video where
Speaker 2: they take my what words out when.
Speaker 1: I'm telling them, first off person, how long did it
Speaker 1: take for you to get that video from which which
Speaker 1: police department was this? Good Year Police, good Year Police
Speaker 1: and Arizona, Arizona. Okay, how long did it take for
Speaker 1: you to get the video?
Speaker 2: Took them almost four months they released, Yeah, almost four months.
Speaker 1: And then they released an edited version of the video,
Speaker 1: an edited version, okay.
Speaker 2: Where literally my words are muted. You don't hear me
Speaker 2: say I can't breathe. You don't hear me say I'm
Speaker 2: not resisting. You don't hear me say any of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see in the video, so I know.
Speaker 2: So they edited that that that out, And what they
Speaker 2: edited too is like they didn't show like how my
Speaker 2: neighbors were concerned. They were outside praying for me and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So once they bring me out the house,
Speaker 2: they like, sit me on a curb, and I'm just
Speaker 2: leaking blood everywhere, leaking blood. Can I see?
Speaker 4: Can I see what you're where? The dog baby? Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: of course, of course, just so I could see it
Speaker 4: is this is where they stitched it up.
Speaker 2: The dog bad me here And the main part was
Speaker 2: that kept me from walking for months is when he
Speaker 2: bit the back of my calf muscle.
Speaker 1: I'm laying down, get a little closer, So explain that
Speaker 1: again in the bare Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when he bit the back of my calf, mo mama.
Speaker 2: So they weren't able to stish this up or do
Speaker 2: anything to it. It just had to heal naturally, and
Speaker 2: that took months and it still hurts to this day.
Speaker 2: I have trouble walking. I could be here. He can walk,
Speaker 2: I can stand up straight. It's just it's horrible.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, this was the duck. Did
Speaker 1: the duck bite and then shake?
Speaker 2: Yeah, shaking lock He locked to my leg. Now, man,
Speaker 2: you I never I didn't been in a fight before,
Speaker 2: but I never had a broken bone. I never had
Speaker 2: anyone knock forward my t teeth out, and I never
Speaker 2: had a dog maull my leg off. So you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't know about surgeries at this time. I went
Speaker 2: through several surg surgeries. But when the ambulance finally came,
Speaker 2: they took me to the hospital. You know, Ofuficer was
Speaker 2: joking with me like, all you you never played rugby before.
Speaker 2: People get their teeth knocked out every day, like it
Speaker 2: was a normal thing for me to be missing four teeth,
Speaker 2: for my finger to be broken. So they take me
Speaker 2: to the first hospital. And at the first hospital, when
Speaker 2: you're in police custody, they don't let you use telephones
Speaker 2: to contact your family members to let them know what's
Speaker 2: going on, because they feel like by me being charged
Speaker 2: with a misdemeanor, I could break out of jail and
Speaker 2: have somebody come to the hospital.
Speaker 1: The free minute. You said this was a misdmeanor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all this is a misdemeanor charge. Okay.
Speaker 1: And did these officers fear for their life? Did they did? They?
Speaker 1: Did they were they did they get the sense that
Speaker 1: you were trying to run or escape or anything like.
Speaker 2: In a nine one one call it was actually stated
Speaker 2: that I had no weapons and I did not hit anyone.
Speaker 2: So I don't know why they took it that far.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, keep going. So you can't call anyone
Speaker 1: from the hospital.
Speaker 2: So when I get to the hospital, it's a big
Speaker 2: ordeal about the cops because the police they have to
Speaker 2: sit with you inside the hospital. So it's a big
Speaker 2: ordeal about Hey, we're switching shifts. Now one is ready
Speaker 2: to go home, so they'll talk and tell me about
Speaker 2: surgery now, so I'm scared. They're like, oh, we got
Speaker 2: to stick you with needles. We got to put you
Speaker 2: to sleep. I'm gonna have to O O open you up.
Speaker 2: I'm like, let me call some of my family members
Speaker 2: and they let them know what's going on. So they
Speaker 2: refused me a phone call at the hospital and they
Speaker 2: just say, like, I never signed the paper, so you
Speaker 2: got to sign a paper saying that you refuse service.
Speaker 2: I never signed the paper, so they instantly just yanked
Speaker 2: me out the hospital bed, drag me back to the car.
Speaker 2: Then they take me to jail. So now I'm at
Speaker 2: the jail. The jail was completely wrong from even accepting
Speaker 2: me into jail because the CEOs let them be. You know,
Speaker 2: you can't accept no one into jail with broken bones
Speaker 2: and it's leaking blood, so they went against protocol. They
Speaker 2: let me go to the Copa County County jail with
Speaker 2: a broken finger, broken teeth, my leg leaking. So they
Speaker 2: basically just throw me in the cell for about ten
Speaker 2: hours and I'm ringing the bell constantly. But I don't
Speaker 2: want to put too much blame on the Marra Copa
Speaker 2: County Jail because I feel like I shouldn't even been
Speaker 2: there to begin with, Like I feel like I should
Speaker 2: have just been left at the hospital to. I needed
Speaker 2: the proper care so I could digest what's going on,
Speaker 2: Like I'm still thinking it's a movie, Like I can't believe,
Speaker 2: like what was happening. So they they take me to
Speaker 2: the cell. They leave me in the cell for almost
Speaker 2: ten hours. I probably got the jail at like nine
Speaker 2: in the morning. I didn't make it to the hospital
Speaker 2: till midnight that night. So I'm in the cell just
Speaker 2: all day, leaking blood, pressing the bill, Hey, I need help.
Speaker 2: I need some type of antibiotics. I don't want to
Speaker 2: catch infection anything like that. I don't know if this
Speaker 2: dog has rabies anything like that. So they leave me
Speaker 2: in the cell all day, twelve sixteen hours. Finally, a
Speaker 2: black CEO that works for the jail, I don't remember
Speaker 2: his name. He just tells me, like, man, that's messed up.
Speaker 2: They weren't supposed to take you into jail. They weren't
Speaker 2: supposed to leave us with this job to bring you
Speaker 2: to go get care like it was just they really
Speaker 2: felt bad for me. So that's why I don't want
Speaker 2: to put the blame on them too much, because they
Speaker 2: did show their sympathy, like, man, that's messed up. They
Speaker 2: shouldn't have brought you here. They should have took four responsibility.
Speaker 2: So now I'm in Valley Wise Hospital, that's the county
Speaker 2: jail for Phoenix. I'm in there in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night. You got it. Now, you think when I
Speaker 2: get get to the hospital again, it's one o'clock in
Speaker 2: the morning, there's nobody there to perform surgery. So they
Speaker 2: basically just wrap me up and sit me in the
Speaker 2: hallway to the morning. Now, it was probably like five
Speaker 2: six in the morning. That's when all the doctors get
Speaker 2: to work. Now they perform a surgery later that afternoon,
Speaker 2: they performed the surgery. I wake up. I got needles
Speaker 2: sticking out my hand. Brother, yes, I got needles sticking
Speaker 2: out my hand. I got stitches in my leg. I'm
Speaker 2: wrapped up, and Lily are.
Speaker 1: Still missing at this time.
Speaker 2: I'm missing too. Still right now, I got two of
Speaker 2: them fixed.
Speaker 1: No, I mean while you're in the hospital.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm missing teeth yeah no, no, no, dentist.
Speaker 2: And that's another other thing. My teeth became infected because
Speaker 2: once you get a chip tooth, oh oh up, until
Speaker 2: you gotta have a rope rope rope canal, and they
Speaker 2: got to pull pull out the nerve, so my teeth
Speaker 2: became infected. So now I'm not a surgery. It's probably
Speaker 2: like a day later. The sergeant for the the jail hospital,
Speaker 2: he comes to the room and they just get to
Speaker 2: snatching stuff out of my arm. Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2: He say, you gotta go? I say, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: I gotta leave? I'm still in pain, Like I still
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make sure everything is okay. You know,
Speaker 2: I just could. They literally kicked me out, probably twenty
Speaker 2: four hours after I heard my surgery, So they kicked
Speaker 2: me out the hospital. They're like, you're not gonna stay
Speaker 2: stay here, So they kicked me out. They take me
Speaker 2: back to jail. Now I'm not in a regular population
Speaker 2: where I could get assistance or anything like that. I'm
Speaker 2: in a I'm in this the worst experience ever. I'm
Speaker 2: in a cell for twenty four hours a day by myself.
Speaker 2: Like I don't got a phone, I don't got a TV,
Speaker 2: I don't got a tablet, I don't got anything. I'm
Speaker 2: just in a cell by myself. Because it's affirm and reseale,
Speaker 2: so they don't want you to get hurt by another inmate,
Speaker 2: so they'll keep you in the sell bye bye by yourself.
Speaker 2: So I was on the lockdown for twenty four hours
Speaker 2: for almost two weeks until they came with a plea
Speaker 2: deal for me to get out of jail.
Speaker 1: And this was a misdemeanor, You said, yeah, I missed themeaning.
Speaker 1: And what was the charge?
Speaker 2: They charged me with a lot of stuff like resistant
Speaker 2: RUSS dis order conduct from the charges yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but they basically dropped all the charges and just charged
Speaker 2: me with a I think it was a domestic violence
Speaker 2: or interfering with court procedures. And then they just said, hey,
Speaker 2: take this please, we'll let you out of jail. You know,
Speaker 2: I got to serve a new jail time or anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now you're actually pushing back, right, So you
Speaker 1: said you got a lawyer and you're taking legal action
Speaker 1: because this was a gross abusive power by the Goodyear
Speaker 1: Police Department. Yes, so, so tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about that the lawsuit. Yeah, you don't have to tell
Speaker 1: anything that your lawyer wouldn't want you to say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let the people notice has a happy end.
Speaker 2: When I got out of jail, I basically called a
Speaker 2: few lawyers. It was I'm not going to say, it
Speaker 2: was kind of hard to get the case started, but
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people probably didn't want to
Speaker 2: take the case on for free. Well, I found Kraacy Smith.
Speaker 2: He was actually an African Americ American lawyer. He decided
Speaker 2: to take the k case on for free. By him
Speaker 2: being an ex police officer, he knows like how far
Speaker 2: this should go and when it's enough is enough. So
Speaker 2: he took the kkkse on and after that we we
Speaker 2: found and no notice to claim to let them know
Speaker 2: there will be suing them. But I just wanted to
Speaker 2: let you guys know, it's not about the money, It's
Speaker 2: about the accountability. Like I literally had situations where people
Speaker 2: came to me after this said hey, I should have
Speaker 2: stepped up and did the same thing, but I was
Speaker 2: scared about the outcome. Like I had people that had
Speaker 2: similar scenarios happened that never went this far as suing
Speaker 2: the police or making them take account on ability for
Speaker 2: what they're did. Let me what they did.
Speaker 1: How have you been? I mean I've seen physically you
Speaker 1: know you're doing better than you were, I'm sure, but
Speaker 1: how have you been mentally since this is anna happen?
Speaker 2: Horrible, horrible horrible, like I think the police is gonna
Speaker 2: kick my door in. I don't feel safe in my
Speaker 2: own home. I'm scared of dogs now, like every you
Speaker 2: know Arizona, everybody has dogs, So I can't go to
Speaker 2: the I actually have a little dog. Oh, I see,
Speaker 2: I go to that.
Speaker 1: You asked when you came in the studio, is there
Speaker 1: a dog here? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I'm actually scared of dogs right right right now,
Speaker 2: because it's just crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a lot to process. You want to jump
Speaker 1: in or.
Speaker 2: Typically human typically I do want to jump in today.
Speaker 3: However, it's not typical because I'm usually just flatly enraged
Speaker 3: by stories like this, except this time I'm sitting here
Speaker 3: listening to a first hand account from a brother who
Speaker 3: it's quite frankly, far more calm than I could possibly
Speaker 3: be if I was retelling this experience. The idea that
Speaker 3: our skin is criminal.
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine it happened to someone else.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, and that I want I don't want
Speaker 3: to be colorful with my language. It's not hard to
Speaker 3: imagine that because we have no such stories we talked about,
Speaker 3: but we have none like you have to understand that
Speaker 3: the climate of our country right now, there are people
Speaker 3: who spend their entire days looking to debunk the myth
Speaker 3: of racism, looking to debunk the idea that police target
Speaker 3: us unfairly because we're black.
Speaker 2: Trust me, if there were any such stories, they'd be
Speaker 2: all over the place all the time.
Speaker 3: Right The poor young man who you know we're raising
Speaker 3: money for, who we're talking about later on today, is
Speaker 3: already people counter producing stories to counter his story. Well,
Speaker 3: something happened to this white girl, and you guys didn't
Speaker 3: raise that much money for her. It's like, even in
Speaker 3: stories where we are by far the victim, they don't
Speaker 3: want there to be a happy ending.
Speaker 2: They don't want us to feel any relief, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's a sad it's a sad thing that our
Speaker 3: country has now sunk to a place where we are
Speaker 3: so divisive in our politics that we are now divisive
Speaker 3: in our humanity.
Speaker 1: You know, there's something about this story too, before we
Speaker 1: move on, that is kind of redundant in commonplace, because
Speaker 1: we've seen this a lot. In fact, we talked about
Speaker 1: a story Jeffrey Ryan's in Salt Lake City who was kneeling,
Speaker 1: had his hands up and the police sick the dogs
Speaker 1: on him. And when I was trying to find out
Speaker 1: his name, so many of those attack dog stories came up.
Speaker 1: In fact, you sent over video from the inside edition
Speaker 1: and the title was our police dogs being ordered to
Speaker 1: bite suspects unnecessarily. So we appreciate your story, and obviously
Speaker 1: this is something we'll keep tabs on moving forward.