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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome into another edition of Texans All

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Speaker 1: Access from Monday Texans Radio Studio T minus, two days

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Speaker 1: away from training, can't Mark Vandamer stay with me? WHOA, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that right now, but I am excited.

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Speaker 1: Why want you to do that with me? I you know,

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Speaker 1: if I go up that high, I don't have that

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Speaker 1: I can't do BG's or anything like that. Any falsetto,

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Speaker 1: no Maroon five, no Bruno. I can't do that except

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Speaker 1: for we don't talk about Bruno. I can't do that

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Speaker 1: because my kid is obsessed with that movie. And Conto

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Speaker 1: by lin Manuel Marano. There's a reference for you. Very nice.

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Speaker 1: And when you started out with T I'm used to

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Speaker 1: your TGIF on a Friday show. Yeah, so I thought,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, it does he realize it's Wednesday. We're

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Speaker 1: not quite there yet for Friday, when we kickoff training

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Speaker 1: camp with Nick Cassario live on this very program, which

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Speaker 1: will be at eight am on Friday morning. And it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be great because Seth and Sean from eight or

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Speaker 1: from six to eight, but Nick's gonna do a press

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Speaker 1: conference at some time in there around seven thirty and

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Speaker 1: they'll take it all live and then Nick, I'll just

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Speaker 1: jump over onto our show and it's gonna be beautiful,

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Speaker 1: lots of football talk, lots of fun as we had

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Speaker 1: your training camp. But it's here, folks, let's go. It

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Speaker 1: is here. That is Mark Vandermer. I'm John Harris, your host.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear from Seth Pain a little where Are

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Speaker 1: They Now exclusive remix later in the show. Seth was

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Speaker 1: in studio to day with Drew Dougherty, so we'll have

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Speaker 1: a little later in the show. We also Drew and

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Speaker 1: I did went in the lab talk about training camp,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna get there in a little bit. Mark

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Speaker 1: talking about training camp. But a piece of news and

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Speaker 1: some clarification because I know a lot of people hear this.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no throughout for the year. No, but

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Speaker 1: the Texans have placed three players on the active pup list.

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Speaker 1: When that is done in training camp just means they're

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Speaker 1: not going to practice in training camp until they're taken

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Speaker 1: off the list. Once they're there, they're back full time.

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Speaker 1: They're ready to go. Used to be the when you

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Speaker 1: get put on a publist and it happens in the season.

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Speaker 1: If you get put on the in season pup list,

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Speaker 1: there are other ramifications I eat out for the year.

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Speaker 1: This just means not quite ready to go. When they are,

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Speaker 1: they'll be on the field. Jordan Jenkins, Tristan McCollum, and

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Speaker 1: t Equatoriano. Those three placed on the active pup list, Markot.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's earth shattering anyway with those three,

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Speaker 1: but I'm glad the numbers not bigger. I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: it means a couple names not on the list, or

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Speaker 1: one name in particular, Derek sting Stingy not on that list.

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Speaker 1: Was just gonna say, now, I guess do you have

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Speaker 1: to do it by today? So is this so it

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Speaker 1: you think it would be, because they've already given everybody

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Speaker 1: the conditioning test. Everybody's been poked and prodded and welcome

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Speaker 1: they do, so they would know if they're going to

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Speaker 1: put them on or not. They would have put them

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Speaker 1: good news, Johnny, because I was not exactly sweating that

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Speaker 1: know is if Mitchi hadn't been diagnosed with leukemia, the

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Speaker 1: most treatable kind, thank goodness. But would he have been

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Speaker 1: on the pup coming into camp. We don't know, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter right now. We just want him

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Speaker 1: good football, great football for this franchise in the years

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Speaker 1: they can get back quickly. So training camp starts Friday.

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Speaker 1: We'll have the General on with us tomorrow night. At

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Speaker 1: I'm not bitter. I'll try and find period of time

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Speaker 1: as much as hey take a few reps of guard,

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Speaker 1: but some other players, just because those situations come up

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Speaker 1: lining up, But Johnny, I want to see how the

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Speaker 1: passing game looks. I always look at that. I just

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Speaker 1: watching practice, because I think everyone's sweating this out, and

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Speaker 1: by everyone I mean me. You need to be able

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Speaker 1: to watch practice. We know you'll be able to watch

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Speaker 1: Eye and the Sky stuff later. You're gonna get all

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Speaker 1: be awesome. Yeah, it's gonna be good, So we'll have that.

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Speaker 1: But I just I love the vibe watching it live.

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Speaker 1: versus watching on TV. See things, yeah, you just you

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Speaker 1: things I always look for, Always look for body language. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you make the team, you'll get in the nineties. And

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Speaker 1: been talking about how Kayer Elam, who's drafted twenty second

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Speaker 1: curious that one on one, that one on one. I

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Speaker 1: but all right, Johnny. I saw two minutes of it

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Speaker 1: Derry Jeter was a great player and a great leader

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Speaker 1: on a great team. But this is not the kind

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Speaker 1: You just can't do it on Jeter. I think, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I know that's probably a big part of this,

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Speaker 1: but that's the last dance wasn't all about Michael, No,

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Speaker 1: following the Last Dance script. But they're doing it a

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Speaker 1: It's all Axis, It's all Axis. Welcome back this Wednesday,

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424
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Speaker 1: thing for by and large. I mean, there are perhaps

425
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Speaker 1: some drawbacks. Maybe some guys like Kurt Warner stories aren't

426
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 1: going to happen because they don't get the reps because

427
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: they were the fifth rude. But I think by and large,

428
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, they get a little bit of time off.

429
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Speaker 1: Can you point to and I'm not looking for examples,

430
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Speaker 1: but don't you think some of the stuff that you

431
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Speaker 1: did in July and August maybe might have worn you

432
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Speaker 1: down a little bit in December and January? Yeah, oh totally.

433
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Speaker 1: I think I mean some of the some of the

434
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Speaker 1: injuries and just you know that we used to have

435
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Speaker 1: a strength coach here, Dan Riley, who I've only heard

436
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: wonderful things about him. Yeah, he was awesome, and he

437
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 1: was like it was funny because he was one of

438
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: the first strength coaches in the NFL. He's actually one

439
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: of the first strength coaches in college football to be

440
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 1: a full time strength coach at West Point way back

441
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 1: in the day. And he had a very practical approach

442
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: to it where he wanted to keep guys as strong

443
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Speaker 1: as possible at the end. He wanted me to be

444
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 1: as close to their full strength at the end of

445
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: the season as they were at the beginning of the season.

446
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 1: Where I think a lot of people kind of like

447
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: the old school mentality was like, well, you're just bound

448
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: to actrophy along the way because this is a man's

449
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: game and we wear you down. So it would start

450
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: in training camp where you would you would just get

451
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: worn down. Coach Kapers. Once I disagreed with him on this,

452
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: he brought up the Tour de France, which goes on

453
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: during training camp, as an example of Hey, you know

454
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 1: they say that by the end of the Tour de France,

455
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: after this grueling ordeal, people are actually in better shape

456
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: than when they began. I'm like, yeah, but they're also

457
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: they're not going right out and doing another tour to France,

458
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: like they're pretty worn down too. So just what I

459
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: felt like he was trying to argue that we should like,

460
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how much we beat you up, because

461
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 1: you could just go right out and do the Tour

462
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: de France afterwards, whereas there's a there's more nuance to

463
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: it than that. So would your eyebrows just raise and

464
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,719
Speaker 1: you stay silent when something like that comes up. As

465
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: a player, when you just something you totally disagree with it,

466
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: you just like, oh yeah, yeah, because stone face, you

467
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: don't even make them, make them. It's the old soldier's prayer,

468
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: where like mine is not to reason why mine is

469
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: just to fight and die. See, I like to pretend

470
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: not that I'm the general, but I'm the actual, the

471
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Speaker 1: actual soldier. Rum I'm doing the same thing. Close for

472
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: you to West Point where you grew up. Was that close?

473
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: I was like five or six hours. No. I played

474
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: there once my freshman year at Cornell. We played like

475
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: our freshman It wasn't officially a JV squad or anything,

476
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: but like the freshman sophomores played each other. And those

477
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: are some pent up, angry dudescause they're not allowed off base.

478
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: They're freshman year and they're all badasses. I mean the

479
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: Division one in football players who also haven't been allowed

480
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: to see anybody or anything in like four months. And

481
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Speaker 1: with reference to Dan Riley starting out at West Point,

482
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Speaker 1: which I didn't know, that had to be a challenge

483
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: in and of itself as a strength coach, because those

484
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: guys were going through all that physical activity, you know,

485
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: like that that's a as far as like push ups, Yeah,

486
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: basic or not basic, but like whatever the physical pleab

487
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: summer that the Navy anyways, and they've got no and

488
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: they've got they've got duties as cadets or as first

489
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: year guys and an upper classmen are messing with him. Yeah,

490
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Speaker 1: it's tough. I had a friend that I had a

491
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: friend that was at Air Force Academy and he said

492
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Speaker 1: his freshman year, like after all of that, like he said,

493
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: he lost a bunch of weight, and he's like, I

494
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: was incredible shape and I could go all day getting

495
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: my ass beat. It was like I could get my

496
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: He's like, I could get my ass beat up and

497
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: down the field all day long and never get tired.

498
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: But I was getting killed. Different type of football shape

499
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 1: versus getting your ass. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So we were

500
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: talking last week with Justin McCray plays on the offensive

501
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: line here, and he was one of about six or

502
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: seven guys who came into the team last year on

503
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: both sides of the line really who had extensive, decorated

504
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: high school wrestling backgrounds. Yeah, and you could throw him

505
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: in there with Malie Collins, with Justin Britt on the

506
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Speaker 1: offensive Lineez. There's a few others that I'm leaving out.

507
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: Every single one of them, if you talked to him,

508
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: believes they could beat the other guy. Yeah. I was

509
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: state champion. Dada, dada, That guy has no chance. Yeah,

510
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: every single one last week. I mean from state to

511
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: state too. Some states have more respect where McRae guy okay,

512
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: so Florida doesn't have as much respect to say some

513
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: of the Midwestern states when it comes to wrestling, Right,

514
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: what was your background there? I was I okay, So

515
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: I wrestled all the way, you know, from second grade

516
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: up through high school. My brother was a really really

517
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: good wrestler. Um and what size was he ultimately? Like

518
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: he was when he was wrestling at his he was

519
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: a smaller guy, but he was also a late bloomer.

520
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: He had like he was like way premature with a

521
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: fall birthday, so he was basically like he was a

522
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: year I had it where he should have been. So

523
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: he was undersized ultimately, though he would end up wrestling

524
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: both one seventy seven and heavyweight in college. Yeah, because

525
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: he when he got to college, he still wasn't that

526
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: big of a guy, but he's still growing. So he

527
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: was sucking wait, sucking wait, sucking waight and just emaciated

528
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: when he was one seventy seven, and he ended up

529
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: being an All American in college at Clarion, which is

530
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: a Division one wrestling school. There's much schools up in

531
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania their Division one for wrestling because they're so yeah,

532
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: their Division two for everything else. So my brother was

533
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: very good at it. After my sophomore year of high

534
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: school wrestling, I was the opposite. Like I was this big, tall, lanky,

535
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: stork looking kid who was always kind of okay at wrestling.

536
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: But I just wasn't as strong as my brother. So

537
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: I was all right. But I started getting really good

538
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: towards the end of my sophomore year. But I was

539
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: going into a year, my junior year, where I was

540
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: gonna be I was basically gonna have to be JV

541
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: because there was this kid, Casey Lamb, who was one

542
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: of the best guys in the state at two fifteen

543
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 1: and that's heavyweight, right, yeah, it was two fifteen at

544
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: the time. Um, And and like there was just no

545
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: way I was gonna beat him, Like like for everything

546
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: I just said about, you know, positive affirmations and everything,

547
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: like Casey was a full grown man. Yeah, I was

548
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: like still like not even fully through puberty, you know. Like,

549
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: so he was gonna I wasn't gonna beat him. So

550
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna have to go to JV. UM. So

551
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: I said, you know, and I'm just not gonna wrestle.

552
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna focus on just trying to get bigger for

553
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: football and everything. And I remember coach Mandara, who who

554
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: I love and he's still my friend to this day.

555
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: But he gave me awful, awful advice because he said, Seth,

556
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: it's it's not like you're gonna go pro or something like.

557
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: I think about where you're throwing away laugh every time,

558
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: and you know, we laugh about it now. He's like,

559
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I gave you some bad advice. It was

560
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: the right advice. It just wasn't ultimately ninety nine times

561
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: out of one hundred that would have been the right advice. Sure, yeah, yeah, No.

562
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: I just love that that little dynamic of these these

563
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: guys all and they've all stuck. You know, I don't

564
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: think any of the wrestlers had signed last year. Gone, yeah,

565
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: it's well, I think it is. I think there's a

566
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Speaker 1: little something. You know. I have great respect for the

567
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: sport of wrestling and people who wrestle because it is

568
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: it's a grueling of all the high school sports can play.

569
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: Just the preparation alone. Yeah, you don't even go to

570
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: a meet, just like getting ready for the Yeah, the

571
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: saw vision quests, So I mean, yeah, exactly noticed it

572
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: because you add to it that a lot of guys

573
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: are dieting while they're doing it, so it's you're it's

574
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: the most physically taxing of all the high school sports. Really,

575
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: any kind of marshall sport just ends up being that

576
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: much more grueling and and you're doing it well dieting

577
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: and not to mention a lot of them unfortunately or

578
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: dieting well, they're also like going they're going through puberty,

579
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: their hormones are all screwed up, their body's trying to grow,

580
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: so it's a it's a lot of hardship. Um. But

581
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: having for all of that, I think that guys who

582
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: wrestled tend to have I think maybe it's the closest

583
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: you can find out to where you used to want

584
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: to try to grab guys off the farm because they

585
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: tended to have a certain work ethic of I'm in

586
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: a certain character to him. Um So now yeah, I

587
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: always whenever I find out a guy wrestled and was

588
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: like and cared about wrestling, I always kind of keep

589
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: an eye out him for him. And they tend to

590
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: be those types of guys like they're just um, I

591
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: don't want to say badasses, but they they're scrappy. They

592
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: just they're gonna fight, they're gonna play hard all the time. No,

593
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: nobody in the NFL really at their core lacks confidence,

594
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: but those guys especially, they do not lack confidence. I mean,

595
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: it's funny to see. It's really cool to see. All Right,

596
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: on that note, we're gonna wrap things up. This is

597
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: This has been over thirty minutes. It's been fun. Appreciate

598
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: you taking time to come in. Let's do it against something. Yeah, no,

599
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: this is awesome. They do it as often as you want.

600
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: Man within reason, I love it. Seth with a caveat

601
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: within reason. Well, you're not getting get anymore Seth tonight

602
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: because I was brilliant and appreciate Seth for being here.

603
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: And you can hear him tomorrow six to ten. I

604
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: was gonna say six to eight, but that's on Friday

605
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: because for the ten days starting Friday, we will take

606
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: over from eight to ten at Trading Camp Texas Trade

607
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: Camp Live. But she'll hear Seth every single day six

608
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: to ten with my buddy Sean Pendergass. They do a tremendous,

609
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: tremendous job. If you haven't been listening, then what are

610
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: you doing? Seth's awesome, just absolutely awesome, and just as

611
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: awesome as my buddy Drew Dougherty. He's gonna stick around

612
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: as we go in the lab. Next right here Texans

613
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Speaker 1: All Access Exan's All Access Exans All We got one

614
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: follow a segment this Wednesday Nation to Texans All Access

615
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: simure host John Harris, Football and a sideline reporter, and

616
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: it's time for Drew and I to go in the lab.

617
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: And of course we dork out about training camp in

618
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: this one, and Drew starts it off talking about the

619
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Speaker 1: schedule and how it's changed over the years. And when

620
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: I saw the practice schedule when it came out about

621
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: a month or so ago, it took me back to

622
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: when I started here. First training camp that I truly

623
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: went through it was two thousand and ten. I started

624
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Speaker 1: in nine at the end of preseason, but first training

625
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: camp in ten, boy, it was very intense as far

626
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Speaker 1: as you go a lot of days in a row.

627
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Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was two weeks straight of

628
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: two days maybe, but before you had a day off.

629
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Speaker 1: And maybe I'm just like building this up to make

630
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: it worse. But the guys will go Friday, they'll go Saturday,

631
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: Sunday off this time, they'll go about three or they'll

632
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: never go more than four days in a row. And

633
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't seem to remember any of that. I think

634
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: if you'd had a break after four days back then,

635
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: it would have been like, Holy moley, this is wonderful.

636
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: And so from a players standpoint, I think it's much

637
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: more advantageous as far as getting rest, getting out of

638
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: the heat. Did that stand out to you, just like

639
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: seeing some of the break a little bit? It's up,

640
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: it's skewed that way. You bring up an interesting point,

641
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: and your timing of it is I think, hey, you

642
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: talking about twenty ten, well before twenty eleven, before the

643
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: new CBA was say yes, that's when things changed. The

644
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: twenty eleven CBA. You talked to coaches. I can't tell

645
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: you the number of times Bill O'Brien would squawk in

646
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: here about the CBA. Yeah, well you know that do

647
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: CBA came. You can't do this, you can't do that,

648
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: you can't do this. Well, one of the things in

649
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: that new CBA was the amount of time you could

650
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: practice days in a row before you had to have

651
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: an off day, and they really kind of set that

652
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: schedule a little bit better. You can't go a certain

653
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: number of days about having an off day. It really

654
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: laid things out, I think for the players. Now the

655
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: flip side of that is, well, the CBA everybody is

656
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: to be something. You know, the players wanted maybe a

657
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: little bit more percentage of the pie. But one of

658
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: the things they got in return was we're gonna have

659
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: Like you said, we're gonna have a day off. I

660
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: think it's every five days, right within five days, you've

661
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: got to have a day off, and then you've got

662
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: to try and time things up with when the preseason

663
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: games are. In the past that I can think of,

664
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: we've been Saturday, Saturday, Saturday Thursday when we had four

665
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: or with three, it's Saturday Saturday Thursday. Right now this

666
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: year it's Saturday, Friday Thursday. Yeah they're staggered, and yeah

667
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: it's one day Friday versus Saturday, but it just can

668
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: throw off your whole schedule of we play Saturday, we'd

669
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: like to give him Sunday off or are we gonna

670
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: get him Sunday off? Because then we got to have

671
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: a certain number of days of practice. Then we have

672
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: walked through. Then we played the game on Friday. There's

673
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: a travel day out to LA and all that kind

674
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: of stuff. So it's the CBA of twenty eleven, and

675
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: obviously subsequent ones signed in twenty twenty one. I think

676
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: it was or twenty twenty maybe either way, those cbas

677
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: have really changed the amount of time, because when you

678
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: think about having day after day well after day, you

679
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: talk about the two days, Yeah, you talk about the

680
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: preseason stuff like that being a factor in how you

681
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: lay it out. Texans like probably Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, the Cardinals,

682
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: and maybe a handful of all Vegas. Now yeah, yeah,

683
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. They've got a factor in weather. With the

684
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: science people, they're they're absolute nutrician strength and condition. We

685
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: got to factor that in as far as you could

686
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: break a team physically now and you wouldn't see it now,

687
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: you wouldn't see it in September, you wouldn't see it

688
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: in October. But little stuff in November, December, January crops

689
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: up because of perhaps some stuff that went down in August.

690
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: In July, and I remember, oh gosh, I can't I

691
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: can't remember the year. But there was one year in

692
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: which it was in the last three or four years.

693
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: But I remember being outside a decent amount. But then

694
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: when you looked at our schedule, we played indoor games. Yeah,

695
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: you never were outside. We were at home or we

696
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: played indoor games. So it might have been nineteen because

697
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: we were playing indie early and nineteen. I remember we

698
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: played the Saints to start the year. We had a

699
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: bunch of games at home Los Angeles, Los Angeles, so

700
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: you knew you weren't in Los Angeles. Was your hottest

701
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: one was eighty? Yeah, it was warm, it was a

702
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: little bit buff. I remember being outside and I kept thinking, look,

703
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: we don't have to acclimate ourselves to the eat. Yeah,

704
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: because we're playing a lot of games inside. We're playing

705
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: in LA We're playing in good temperature climates. This year

706
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: it's you know, we played Denver in Chicago Week two

707
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: and three. Won't be bad. I don't think it will

708
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: be bad. But you play Jacksonville week six. It's in October,

709
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: early October, and Jacksonville is hit or missed the edge.

710
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: Though even if it's a miss, the edge is still off.

711
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: It's not Jacksonville October at its worst. Can't be Jacksonville

712
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: in early September no. No, oh oh man, I'm it

713
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: can it can be uncomfortable. I'm not I'm not gonna quit.

714
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking no, no, any anytime. Like you said, early

715
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: September in those places you mentioned, Yeah, and Jacksonville is very,

716
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: very similar to Houston. Now you do get a little

717
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: bit more of the the ocean breeze depending on where

718
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: you are at certain parts of Jacksonville, So it does

719
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: cool off kind of like it doesn't downa Galveston. But

720
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: early September it's rough. I mean we just start a

721
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: game at seven and the sun would just be going

722
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: down brutal, I mean brutal. So from that perspective, having

723
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: the ability to acclimate to the heat. But that was

724
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: one of the things that I thought was great about

725
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: the Green Bar. Yeah, it was a long ways away.

726
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: We were away for family. I thought twenty eighteen for

727
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: two weeks was perfect. It was like adult summer camp.

728
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Yeah, I mean we ate out every night,

729
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: we were all together. It was it was really cool.

730
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: But you'd get to the end of practice and our

731
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: routine at the end of practice has been routine for

732
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: last time in every years, and that is practice. Over

733
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: most of the press conferences, but we all get an interview.

734
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: Every single interview we did at the Green Bar, every

735
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: single guy said the same exact thing to me, And

736
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: I know he said to you and everybody, I don't

737
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: feel like I'm dying. Right. You get to an end

738
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: of practice here and guys are drenched in sweat, but

739
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: then they've thrown water on themselves to stay cool, and

740
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: it is a grind, and then all of sudden they've

741
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: got to do an interview with us, and they want

742
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: to give him the ice bath. They want to get inside.

743
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: Come tell me about whether you prefer pizza or hamburgers.

744
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: You gotta do that, my stupid Drew Drew's dozen. Okay,

745
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: enough weather talk. It's important to keep our mind on

746
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: the long picture because you see guys that flash in camp.

747
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: But it's almost like you gotta remember, it's sort of

748
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: like spring training with baseball. Sometimes your multi year Cy

749
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: Young Award winner will go out in spring training and

750
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: get lit up, and it's not because he's screwed around

751
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: and smoked cigarettes all off season. It's just out there.

752
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: It's maybe because well, I'm gonna try out this new

753
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: circle change that I've never thrown before in my life,

754
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna overthrow it just to see what I

755
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: can do with batters, or I'm gonna try out this

756
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: new slider that I haven't thrown before, so and he

757
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: gets lit up because he's perfecting it. But then once

758
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: it's late April, he's incorporated that into his arsenal and

759
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: things are going well. So in the same vein, sometimes

760
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: a running back might have a good day because you

761
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: know the defense is trying some different things out and

762
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: he was able to exploit some guys just learning a

763
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: system and vice versa on the other side of the ball.

764
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: It's important to to keep that in mind when you

765
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: see guys who are doing really really well or when

766
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: you read about guys who, oh this, this guy didn't

767
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: look very good. Dat da da da da. For example,

768
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: last year, Davis Mills had a day where he threw

769
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: I think four picks. It was really really rocky. It

770
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: did not look good, and he got the business on

771
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: social media and so on and so forth, and he

772
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: was all but written off. But we saw things were

773
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: a little bit different once the season came. I couldn't

774
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: agree with you more on that one, in particular, because

775
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: I think what ends up happening in that vein. And

776
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: and I'm guilty of writing a lot about what I

777
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: see and some guys they are exciting, and you like

778
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: to write about some of those guys early on. Here

779
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: is more clinical though, it's like I saw a good

780
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: burst here, you're not when you you're kind of celebrating

781
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: what the guy did, but you're also saying keep in mind, yeah,

782
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: and I try to do that. I think Davis was

783
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: exhibited a what you're talking about because there were a

784
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: lot of people that questioned Davis in and of himself. Sure,

785
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: the fact that he's a third round pick and he

786
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: was the first pick of the next seria. Yeah, there

787
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: was some trepidation. But on that day, Davis never been

788
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: with the Ones. There were a lot of factors that

789
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: weren't being considered. He'd never been with the ones, he don't.

790
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Cooks had a veteran rest day that day,

791
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: so he was out the defense kind of knew what

792
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: the offense was trying to do. There were a lot

793
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: of things working against Davis. The danger in that is

794
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, that one day confirmed all

795
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: the narratives they had, and they couldn't rewrite the narrative

796
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: at all. They just couldn't rewire their brain, and so

797
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: it happened during during training camp. There were media members

798
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: that weren't were there and maybe saw that particular day.

799
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: But then two weeks down the road you had seen

800
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: some significant improvement with Davis. But yet it was still

801
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: about that day that he struggled in the red zone

802
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: or he struggled to throw interceptions, because I'm not talking.

803
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: Three days later they did two minute drill and I

804
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: think he did it with the ones too, and he

805
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: went right up and down the field and was brilliant looking.

806
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: But yet it still became oh yeah, but there was

807
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: that day through all those interceptions, So that tells you

808
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: what kind of quarterback he is. That's where you really,

809
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to training camp in particular,

810
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: you get stuck on those narratives and the flip side

811
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: works too. We all love Jaylen Petrie and I think

812
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Jaylen Petrie is gonna have one a hack of a career.

813
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: But we've been talking about Jaylen Petrie for a while

814
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: because he looked really good and no tas in mini camp. Yeah,

815
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: we're probably gonna give and I say we am taking

816
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: a collective wea city of Houston, Texas fans, We'll give

817
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: him a pass. Things don't look so great in the

818
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: preseason because well, he'll be fine, he'll be he's rookie.

819
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: We'd like him. The narrative was different for a guy

820
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: like Jaylen Petrie there, it's very different, and so we

821
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: give him a little bit more latitude. For Davis, the

822
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: narrative was, now, we don't think he's gonna work. Even

823
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: the people that were supportive of him was, you know,

824
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: we got to see him grow and do that. Yeah,

825
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: but you couldn't change the people couldn't change the narrative.

826
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: And they still can't even a full season of work

827
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: for Davis, most of the full season of work, they

828
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: still can't look at him objectively. Still in the infancy.

829
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: There's still people that will go back to that day

830
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: when he was in training camp and though, oh, yeah,

831
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: but remember that day, Yeah, I do remember that day.

832
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: It was this third day in the NFL. Yeah. I

833
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: think the bottom line is this, don't panic. It's never

834
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: as awful as you think it is, and on the

835
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: flip side, probably not as great as it looks sometimes.

836
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: So still daddage. It goes with watching film it's the

837
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: same thing. You go and you watch the film. I mean,

838
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times you drove gone

839
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: in and I feel like I played poorly and I'm like, oh,

840
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: do I want to go into this film session. I'm

841
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 1: gonna get grilled, And then you watch and got too bad. Yeah,

842
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: And the same going the other way. Man, I had

843
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: a great game, a couple touchdown catches, pig did all this,

844
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: and then you go, man, I actually didn't play all

845
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: that well. So it's it's always that way, the same thing.

846
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's gonna be spots to learn, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be opportunities to get better. And even if a guy

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Speaker 1: sets the world on fire and day one doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: he's gonna do it in week one, year one, or

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Speaker 1: year five. You just rolled it. But be prepared to

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Speaker 1: change your thoughts and give a guy a chance if

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Speaker 1: you've written them off, and vice versa. If you think

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Speaker 1: a guy is the greatest thing, be able to look

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Speaker 1: through non rulest colored glasses. I'm talking to me in

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Speaker 1: some sense and say, yeah, this guy really isn't what

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Speaker 1: we thought he was. Ye, it's really excited about him,

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Speaker 1: but its just it isn't it isn't there, but it's

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Speaker 1: more so the other ones, and and the Davis one

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Speaker 1: really kind of hit because I would hear and read

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people just kept going back to

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Speaker 1: that day and I'm like, have y'all seen him the

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Speaker 1: last week and a half. Yeah, he's been really good.

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Speaker 1: It was one day. Yeah, gotta just yeah, you gotta

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Speaker 1: move on. And that's the hardest thing to do, is

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Speaker 1: to move on. But when the clock says your show's over,

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Speaker 1: you gotta move on. It's time for Team Meal, the

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Speaker 1: real deal coming up next right here in Texans All Access.

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Speaker 1: A big thanks to Mark for joining me to Drew

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Speaker 1: to seth Paint for his time. As always, you guys

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Speaker 1: are the best. Well see you tomorrow and as always,

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Speaker 1: go Texans. Since since