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Speaker 1: I think it'd be embarrassing if the Cubs did it.

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be a joke. Like you, they cannot

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Speaker 1: behave in this manner. Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney,

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Speaker 1: where your Cubs beat writers at the Athletic. Patrick, you're

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Speaker 1: back from your trip in Cleveland. It was a bad

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Speaker 1: one for the Cubs, swept by the best team in

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Speaker 1: baseball record wise. You know, any other time in the season,

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Speaker 1: you know, if it was it was two months ago,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, it'd be less of a less

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Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, that that's a really good Cleveland team.

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Speaker 1: The Cubs competed with them for two games at a

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Speaker 1: at a stinker, two tough, one run losses. At this

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Speaker 1: point in the season, it's it hurts significantly. You needed

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Speaker 1: to come away from that series with one to feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: things aren't falling apart.

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Speaker 2: They're still in this. They can do this.

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Speaker 1: I still think with the schedule the way it is,

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Speaker 1: they they're allowed to have their optimism, they're allowed to

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Speaker 1: hold on to that. Just as they explained last episode,

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Speaker 1: I felt, I just feel like the teams directly out

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Speaker 1: than the Cubs. Bottom line is wins and losses. They

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Speaker 1: didn't get any of those in Cleveland, So it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a bad start to the week. And and if

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Speaker 1: require a really big hot stretch here, not just like

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Speaker 1: you can't you can't keep winning two three, it's like

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Speaker 1: time to start sweeping multiple series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they're just gonna have to win at

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Speaker 3: a clip that they have not demonstrated they're capable of yet.

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Speaker 3: And I was, you know, you covered for us last

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Speaker 3: week when I was on vacation, I sort of joke

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Speaker 3: to someone like, oh, yeah, I watch them like get

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Speaker 3: swept now in Cleveland. Not because it's about me, It's

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Speaker 3: just that I don't really trust this team, Like as

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Speaker 3: And I don't know, walking into the clubhouse after each game,

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Speaker 3: I did not get the sense of like, you know,

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Speaker 3: but it just hasn't worked. And I think, like you

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Speaker 3: have to, right like, oh, Cubs making a playoff push,

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Speaker 3: like this has been the greatest National League season ever,

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Speaker 3: But the Diamondbacks of Padres like had a lot of

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Speaker 3: talent going to the season. They've advanced far into the

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Speaker 3: the deadline and they're now you know, matching records sixty

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Speaker 3: team like the Braves, right, Like, I know they're injured,

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Speaker 3: they have been playing as well, but the really sustained

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Speaker 3: so yeah, it'll be it'll be interesting to see what

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Speaker 3: to you know, play to the final whistle or whatever

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Speaker 1: I think the real killer here is that Atlanta swept

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Speaker 1: That's in San Francisco needed to win one of those

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Speaker 1: San Francisco is up and down, like the Cubs and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've left on stars even more than the Cubs.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if the Giants have the same appeal

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Speaker 2: But it's it's August. What is it.

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Speaker 1: cannot have these hiccups when you're when in Council. I

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the way he reacts. I don't fully understand

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would totally come across as as phony. And

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Speaker 3: that's what I asked him this week, like Monday night,

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Speaker 3: you know, Nico said, this is not like an energy issue.

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Speaker 3: Ty Owne said, it's not an urgency issue. I think

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Speaker 3: it's just more simply like the roster isn't quite good

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Speaker 3: like if we were here saying here's how the Cubs

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Speaker 1: Right right, right right, It's a yeah, you can't talk

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Speaker 1: and that's how baseball can sometimes be. You you looked

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Speaker 1: I don't think they were in like third or fourth

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Speaker 3: And you know, after he gave an answer, I said, well,

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Speaker 3: least that's how I interpreted it. But twenty nineteen, I

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Speaker 3: just imploding not to take anything away from the Brewers,

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Speaker 3: like they still did, like so the Brewers get credit

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Speaker 3: played pretty well that September. I want to say there

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Speaker 3: hard to compare different teams from different years, but like

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Speaker 1: That happened, right, Yes, No, I remember that vividly, that eighteen,

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Speaker 1: like them being chased down. It's like that was also

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Speaker 3: a hurricane. Was that that year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It was insane.

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Speaker 1: It was just insane, and like they had legitimate excuses

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Speaker 1: That whole series was just like Cubs fans getting punched

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Speaker 3: I just feel like it's such a copycat business owners

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Speaker 3: talk it through and think about it, because you're right,

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Speaker 3: like the Angels and Rockies just do weird stuff. The

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Speaker 3: White Sox are the White Sox. But if you know

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Speaker 3: the Cubs do it, or if the Cubs noticed a

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Speaker 3: couple other more reputable teams do it, then that would

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Speaker 3: be something to write about for sure.

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Speaker 1: Right, And if it's one player that you're not using

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Speaker 1: as much, but.

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Speaker 3: They'll say we need a forty man spot, we're creating

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Speaker 3: an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah like.

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Speaker 3: That, maybe that would could be truthful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right right.

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Speaker 1: I mean the kneely kid is going to need to

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Speaker 1: come up eventually and needs a forty man spot.

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Speaker 2: So I get like it. There could be one player

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Speaker 1: I just think it like you're you're if you're doing

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Speaker 1: it's just a it's kind of lame, and I like,

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Speaker 1: I just don't think, uh, it should be done, but

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Speaker 1: A like I, you know, whatever whatever you can do

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Speaker 1: to save money. I guess that's that's the thought process,

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Speaker 1: and maybe it happens uh, ultimately, like the Cubs are

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Speaker 1: in this spot where we have to even discuss this.

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Speaker 1: It's a shame, right like they like, it's ridiculous that

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Speaker 1: it's gotten here. A good weekend and maybe we shift tone,

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Speaker 1: you know, good like a fortuitous weekend, Like.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens this weekend.

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Speaker 1: They need to get hot. They need to play well.

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Speaker 1: I thought they played well for about one and a

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Speaker 1: half ish games to ish game in Cleveland. I didn't

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Speaker 1: think they played well against the White Sox and they won.

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Speaker 2: So Toronto's not a good team.

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Speaker 1: They have a superstar and not much else beyond that

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Speaker 1: playing well right now, but Vlad Junior is going to

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Speaker 1: be tough to get out.

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Speaker 2: We'll see how Wrigley's playing this weekend.

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Speaker 1: They got their two best starters going Saturday and Sunday,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hendricks going Friday. They have a chance. They have

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Speaker 1: a chance to get hot again. They're playing a bunch

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Speaker 1: of bad teams. We'll see where they are on Monday.

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