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Speaker 2: This is our life, this is our passion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat. It is let's

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Speaker 1: see the fifth of August twenty twenty, and it is

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Speaker 1: time for Morning Combat. Hello everybody, my name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I can hear anybody, but you

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Speaker 1: can see the gentleman to my left. He is the iceman,

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Speaker 1: the man in the hat. He's my friend in yours.

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Speaker 1: It's Chuck Mindenhall. Hi, Chuck, mindon Hall, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Luke? Feels like a minute sense. We did one of

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Speaker 1: Hold on, Chuck, I actually can't hear you for some reason.

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Speaker 1: Sure enough, at the beginning of the show, my fucking

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Speaker 1: EarPods don't work or whatever called Oh here we go,

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Speaker 1: Here we go, hold on, I'll bring back one more time.

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Speaker 1: Let's try it again. All right, man, there we go.

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Speaker 1: How are you? Chuck? Sorry about that?

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Speaker 2: I am well, my friend, I said, it feels like

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Speaker 2: it's been a little while. Can you hear me now?

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Speaker 1: For some reason, I can't hear you again? Okay, what

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Speaker 1: Okay, kind of a little great off. How are you?

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Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, I'm having earbuddy issues. I can hear you

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Speaker 1: How is Connecticut in the summer? What's a summer in Connecticut? Like?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't imagine that this would headline,

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Speaker 1: If something happens to the champion and he's injured. Good point,

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, you don't know how long it might last,

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Speaker 2: the hump, right, like you got to be the champion,

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Speaker 2: you got to do some things. It is impressive. I

431
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Speaker 2: look at like you mentioned off the top of this,

432
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Speaker 2: you look at the Poorier's run. Especially remember he kind

433
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Speaker 2: of was introduced at such a young age, and then

434
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Speaker 2: he had that documentary that added kind of this weird

435
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Speaker 2: expectation to him, like maybe he was going to be,

436
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Speaker 2: you know, a champion sooner rather than later. He had

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Speaker 2: the whole Yes Fightville, which was it was very interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's still it's actually more fun to watch now now,

439
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Speaker 2: like at a remove and go back and watch it

440
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Speaker 2: than it was in the day. But you know, the

441
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Speaker 2: whole Connor McGregor thing where he was kind of buried

442
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Speaker 2: just one of the victims of Connor McGregor during that

443
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Speaker 2: whole boom period for McGregor. It's kind of remarkable. Man,

444
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Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, he's just gone through a sustained amount

445
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Speaker 2: of battles and there some of them moors and he

446
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Speaker 2: here he is still doing this. And honestly, after he

447
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Speaker 2: lost that last fight with Charles Olivera, he kind of

448
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Speaker 2: indicated like he might not even want to keep going,

449
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Speaker 2: you know, like he was really all the options around

450
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Speaker 2: the table. And I know some people speak emotionally about that,

451
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Speaker 2: but when you have a career like his, which is

452
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Speaker 2: you know, you kind of move up, but you don't

453
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Speaker 2: quite get over you. You know, you kind of move up,

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Speaker 2: you don't quite get over like, and you're always hovering

455
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Speaker 2: in that space. You can see how it gets frustrating. So,

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Speaker 2: particularly from Dustin Poyer's point of view, I think this

457
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Speaker 2: fight means a lot, you know what I mean. You've

458
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Speaker 2: got to get back there, and I think it would

459
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Speaker 2: mean a lot to him in his career, his legacy,

460
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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, to not only just

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Speaker 2: get this fight, which is a big one in Madison

462
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Speaker 2: Square Garden, but then to put yourself back on that

463
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Speaker 2: raider and then go get the belt. I think that

464
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Speaker 2: that would round out a truly remarkable career when you

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Speaker 2: look at it.

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Speaker 1: Now, my brain is full of Swiss cheese chuck. So

467
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Speaker 1: I might be saying something stupid here, and if I am,

468
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Speaker 1: by all means, tell me out. Has anyone gone from

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Speaker 1: Bellatore to UFC and claimed a weight class title? Now

470
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Speaker 1: obviously we've seen the opposite, yes, but I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: remember I don't think we have. I don't think we've

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Speaker 1: seen someone do that, not just yet.

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Speaker 2: Well, what about Eddie Alvarez?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, what am I saying? He's already So he's

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Speaker 1: the he's the one. Yes, he's the one. I don't believe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Believe anybody else has though. I think he's the one, right,

478
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Speaker 2: he would be the only one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry again, when you're hosting a show, your brain

480
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Speaker 1: just doesn't work. Listen, my headphones barely work. You know

481
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Give me a break here. Why do

482
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Speaker 1: they pay me for the time?

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Speaker 2: Seven just happened a week ago, Luke, I don't know.

484
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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you much. I felt that card at

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Speaker 2: this point.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Nevertheless, Eddie Underground King had a lot of titles

487
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Speaker 1: and a lot of other weight classes. Still, it would

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Speaker 1: represent something significant for Chandler, on the other hand, to

489
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Speaker 1: go and do that. I think Chandler has been kind

490
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Speaker 1: of seen like promises made, promises kept in terms of

491
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Speaker 1: what he told fans was possible because he never told

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Speaker 1: them I'm definitively gonna be the way the champion of

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Speaker 1: the world, and there's no denying it. He's always said

494
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Speaker 1: I'm there for a good time, not a long time. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: for him to go in there and claim the UFC title,

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Speaker 1: especially after losing to Charles in the way that he did,

497
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Speaker 1: you know, the Gaechee fight was not for a title,

498
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Speaker 1: but it was kind of thorough ish in the way

499
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Speaker 1: that he lost. Dude, that would be big for him

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Speaker 1: as well. This guy for folks who meant to remember

501
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Speaker 1: for a long time, like do you remember when he

502
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Speaker 1: was fighting Rick Hahn on Spike TV. Yeah, dude, Bellator

503
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Speaker 1: wanted to make this guy the face of the organization

504
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Speaker 1: form Eddie Alvarez. Oh, I don't think he ever occupied

505
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Speaker 1: that space for Bjorn Revenue, not in the same kind

506
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Speaker 1: of way. So for to take that guy the former

507
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Speaker 1: face of Belatore and then for him to go to

508
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Speaker 1: UFC at the very last good window he had and

509
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Speaker 1: claim a title due that would be fucking huge.

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Speaker 2: That would be huge, and that you nailed it. I

511
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Speaker 2: think that he happily took that mantle as being the

512
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Speaker 2: face of Belatour for the longest time. Man, I mean,

513
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Speaker 2: I think he was happy to do that. But there

514
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Speaker 2: was the side of him that always was like, just

515
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Speaker 2: like with any good Belator fighter, there's always this what

516
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Speaker 2: if the partition was down, how would he fare against

517
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Speaker 2: these other guys? Well, for him to get through the

518
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Speaker 2: gauntlet that he's gone through and then end up so

519
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Speaker 2: he gets Drew Portia and he ends up getting a title.

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Speaker 2: That would be huge, man. I mean, I honestly would.

521
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Speaker 2: Then his career becomes almost a study in itself, like

522
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Speaker 2: going back and looking at everything that he's been able

523
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Speaker 2: to do. I do think that that would be very,

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Speaker 2: very big, especially given that he fights the style he

525
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Speaker 2: said like you like you mentioned, man. I mean, it's

526
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Speaker 2: like if Justin Gaechee had ascended and now was on

527
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Speaker 2: a title reign, you'd looking in the same way, like

528
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Speaker 2: that's not sustainable. It's not sustainable for living, and it's

529
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Speaker 2: not sustainable for I'm holding a title, But to get

530
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Speaker 2: it right, like to win it, that would speak volumes

531
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Speaker 2: for how good he has given that style.

532
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Speaker 1: Fair Enough, all right, So let's move on now to topic

533
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Speaker 1: number two, which is, of course, the weekend's Fight Night card.

534
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Speaker 1: All right. I mean, let's just say this up front.

535
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Speaker 1: I like the main event, Thiago Santo's versus Jamal Hill.

536
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Speaker 1: It's not my favorite, but I like it. I'm not

537
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Speaker 1: gonna sit here and say I hate it, because that

538
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be true. I like them. I really like the

539
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Speaker 1: Comaine Vicente Luke versus Jeff Neil. Danny and I talked

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Speaker 1: about this on Wednesday, you have the finals of The

541
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Speaker 1: Ultimate Fighter. I'm going to ask this knowing full well

542
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Speaker 1: what the answer is. Last time you watched an episode

543
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Speaker 1: of Tough beginning to end, you can skip commercials. Oh

544
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Speaker 1: my god, we're getting to end.

545
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Speaker 2: Okay, So I think we did touch on this, but

546
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Speaker 2: I think I'm with you because I believe you said this.

547
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Speaker 2: When they introduced was it was a strawweight class right

548
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Speaker 2: when they yes, So that would be the last time.

549
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Speaker 2: And I really only watched that one because it was

550
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Speaker 2: a whole new crop. It was a whole weight class

551
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 2: right like being introduced, So I felt like it was

552
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: my duty to really know who everybody was. But before that, man,

553
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Speaker 2: you're probably going back to the heavyweight season with Kimbo Slice,

554
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Speaker 2: Like I remember watching that one with some interest. That

555
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: was like a full ten seasons before that, so Tough

556
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: ten it was probably like if you're asking me legit,

557
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: where you're just watching it to see what's going to happen.

558
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Speaker 2: It was all the way back then.

559
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Speaker 1: Have you paid attention to even five seconds of the

560
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Speaker 1: current Tough season. I'll raise my hand and be like,

561
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Speaker 1: I've done you nothing.

562
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: No, I have not, man, I have not. I can't.

563
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: I just can't. Man, You've been in this game a

564
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: long time too. It's like the times I've and over

565
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Speaker 2: the seasons. Every now and again, I'll put it on

566
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Speaker 2: for a minute just to see what's happened. I can't

567
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Speaker 2: do it. I just can't watch that same kind of

568
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: drama playing out. The house stuff, the fights themselves, I'm

569
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 2: okay with, and I try to catch up on those

570
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: a little bit as it goes on, but I just

571
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Speaker 2: can't do it. I can't do it anymore.

572
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this much. I don't watch it. And

573
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Speaker 1: the reality is like putting young men with alcohol in

574
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Speaker 1: a house, young women to whatever? R No, Yeah, well

575
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: the thing is this. It's like, dude, you know, when

576
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: I was living in a fraternity house, or you know,

577
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: in near approximation to it, let's say two three, four

578
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: years after that, Yes, that seemed relatively interesting to me. Dude,

579
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Speaker 1: I'm fucking old now, I've got hid like you think

580
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: young men drinking in a house is remotely fucking interesting.

581
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: All I want to do is go to bed early

582
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: and not wake up with my back hurting, Like what

583
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: the fuck? Some zero relevance to my life, you know.

584
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Speaker 2: No, You're right, there's something about that drama that no

585
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: longer holds it its essence, right Like, I don't care

586
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: to see that either man at this point.

587
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, the Mohammed Usmann versus Zach and I'm

588
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Speaker 1: sure I'm just pronouncing his name. I apologize. Zach Palga

589
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Speaker 1: would be for the heavyweight championship winner, which of course

590
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Speaker 1: Mohammed Usman, the brother of Kamaru. And then you have

591
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Speaker 1: broken Walker ticket on Juliana Miller. That one's pretty close

592
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Speaker 1: in odds, by the way. Start with the main Eventtiago

593
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Speaker 1: Santo's taking on Jamal Hill. Jamal Hill is an interesting guy, Chuck,

594
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Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. I really like his game,

595
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: and I was watching some tape on him last night

596
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: and this morning just to sort of see what his

597
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses are. Remind myself, right, And I watched

598
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Speaker 1: a lot of his fights. Dude, I mean when he's

599
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Speaker 1: not I'll say this, when he's dealing, he is phenomenal

600
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Speaker 1: on the feet he has and you saw this in

601
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Speaker 1: the Crew fight to an extent and the Walker fight. Really,

602
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: he's got a really good ability to play with range

603
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: in ways that a lot of other light heavyweights don't.

604
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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is he'll pressure pressure, pressure, pressure,

605
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Speaker 1: and then stop and then let opponents walk to him,

606
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Speaker 1: and then he drills him as they just walk right

607
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: into range. He did it to Walker, he did it

608
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Speaker 1: to Crute. Now the Paul craigfight was a little bit different.

609
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about that in just a second.

610
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Speaker 1: But man, people keep talking about his championship potential. I

611
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: do have some reservations about it in the broader picture,

612
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Speaker 1: which I'll get to. But his strengths boxing, the range management.

613
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: Do I think that kind of thing is potentially ready

614
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: for the very high end of this division? I actually do.

615
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: I actually think that part is very good. Give me

616
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Speaker 1: your assessment of his upside as best you can tell

617
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: right now.

618
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Speaker 2: I think that this type of fight, when you get

619
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Speaker 2: when you get a matchup against Thiago what's his name,

620
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: when you get your MPOs I was about to say Silva,

621
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, that is not correct. When you get this

622
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: kind of matchup, it usually it's because there it's I

623
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: don't want to call it quite a showcase fight, but

624
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: it usually means that there's a guy like him that

625
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: they want to see get through. This guy on a

626
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: big platform, a big spotlight and then so that you

627
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: can enter that conversation a little more cleanly. I do

628
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: think that he has shown those flashes. I know that

629
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: you're the more the analytical guy, like you break down

630
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: the styles and stuff, but I just like the fact

631
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: that he does what you said, which is let the

632
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: fight come to him sometimes and then start dealing. He's

633
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: one of those guys I feel like needs to kind

634
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 2: of act within a fight. Like you watch him and

635
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: like he starts to get the rhythm down and you

636
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: see him when it starts to click and he starts

637
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: to roll and and things start to land. So he's

638
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: got a very very explosive style and nice style, and

639
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: I think he's got the personality right like to to

640
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: kind of make people care about him, and that matters

641
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: in the fight game too. So I see a lot

642
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: of upside, man, I see a lot of upside. I

643
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: don't know if he has h you know, like what

644
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: it takes to go all the way in the division,

645
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: but he's and we've seen him, We've seen him slip,

646
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: you know before too. But I I do feel like

647
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: he's figuring things out, he's learning, he's adding more tools

648
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: and his upside looks pretty good to me. Man, This

649
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: would be a big step too. I think, like kind

650
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: of getting on people's radars who haven't seen him yet.

651
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: To be in this situation against a guy, a heavy

652
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: hitter who has you know, I think he's tied for

653
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: fourth with the most knockouts in UFC history of the

654
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: eleven you know, to go in and do it against

655
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: a guy like that, I think it'll speak volumes for

656
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: his upside too.

657
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: I will say this though about Thiago Santos well. I

658
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: want to finish on this point with Jamal Hill, but

659
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: Santos is in a different place in his career. This

660
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: comes to us from Richard Mann, who works at fight Metric,

661
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: and he writes quote, through his first eighteen UFC fights,

662
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Santos had a plus two point eighty five striking differentials.

663
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: So for folks who don't know what that means, that

664
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: means you take strikes landing permitted and then deduct strikes absorbed,

665
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: and even then he's at two point eighty five, which

666
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: is very high. So that rate. That rate, the plus

667
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: two point eight five would rank twelfth among currently ranked

668
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: UFC fighters independent of weight class. However, in his last

669
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: five fights he only has a negative point three to

670
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: one differential, which would put him one hundred and fiftieth

671
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: out of the one hundred and seventy five ranked fighters.

672
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: Not great, but okay. Sticking with Jamal Hill, talk me

673
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: off the ledge here a little bit, dude, when it

674
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: comes to the striking, I don't know how many guys

675
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 1: on that division have a whole lot for him. I mean,

676
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: Unclive is obviously a beast, you know, obviously Blohovich has

677
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: seen a lot of different looks. I'm sure he could

678
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: be an interesting counter, particularly with the kickboxing. But you

679
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: go back to the Paul Craig fight now, Listen, Paul

680
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: Craig is a unicorn doing all kinds of totally insane

681
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: shit that a lot of other people don't do. But

682
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: there was a situation where, if you watch the fight,

683
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: Craig uses double over hooks, pulls him to the ground,

684
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: and then tries to go for a submission. Hill gets

685
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: out of it and then lets Paul Craig recapture the

686
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: overhook on the right side. And the reason why that's relevant,

687
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: it's like, try to explain it to people, and anyone

688
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: who's ever trained understands this. You cannot overstate the significance

689
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: of allowing an opponent to put a grip on you,

690
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: any kind of grip, not just the hand grip or

691
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: if you have the gig, the gi grip with the

692
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: lapel or the sleeve, but that overhook is a grip, dude.

693
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 1: I mean, if someone makes a grip on you and

694
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: you know that that's gonna let them set up different things,

695
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: you have to either a prevent the grip from even happening,

696
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: but you have to address the grip right away. He

697
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: went right back into the gripping sequence, and for me,

698
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: that kind of indicated, like I got a little bit

699
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: of cerial gon vibes rememb when Cyril Gon fought Francis.

700
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: Like on the feet, Cyril Gon is miles ahead of

701
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: that division. Right on the feet, he's just way ahead.

702
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: But on the ground, his decision making isn't nearly as

703
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: good because he doesn't have that part of his game

704
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: isn't as developed. Now. I'm not saying, Chuck that Jamal

705
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: Hill has a bad ground game. We just don't know

706
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: enough about it. But for example, you take the craigfight,

707
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: that's one thing you can look at. Here's another one.

708
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: Takedown accuracy for Jamal Hill is at zero percent. Now,

709
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: that's not saying he's never They might be saying he's

710
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: never gotten a takedown. What I think that actually says

711
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: is he's probably never really tried trying to go back

712
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: into the ovin Saint Proof fight. Yeah, he didn't even try.

713
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: You go back to the cliffs in a bray you fight,

714
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: Let's see, didn't even try. So for the most part,

715
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: he just doesn't show you that other part of the game.

716
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: And I always say this, A fighter can have an

717
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: A and a B game, And if your A game

718
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: is so completely dominant, your B game can just be defensive.

719
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: Think of Habib for example. Yes, but unless you're that

720
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: your B game needs to be developed. I do have

721
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: some And by the way, Santo's black belt in jiu jitsu.

722
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. This one could get a little weird

723
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: for me.

724
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: That's an interesting thing, man, And this is why I

725
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: like talking to you, because you do think of these

726
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: these things on that level. I do feel like that's

727
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: the thing about him is there are some questions as

728
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: to what his plan B would be because we've seen

729
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: it like Kevin Holland type, right, like you, you're not

730
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: sure what happens when he's put into deep water in

731
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: a way that he's not used to being put in

732
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: it and you see him get dominated. Now, I don't

733
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: really know, to be honest, how that would play out,

734
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: or even if if if Santos is smart, maybe he

735
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: does play this type of game, you know what I mean,

736
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: maybe you do try to get into the mat and

737
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: see what you can do there. But honestly, man, it's

738
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's a red flag, but

739
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: it's one of those concerns. I think that we just

740
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: haven't seen him in those situations enough and maybe that's

741
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: where the intrigue starts to come in. You mentioned like

742
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: an uncle uncle Ayab or one of those types of fighters.

743
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: I mean, they're very smart fighters and they're well rounded everywhere.

744
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: That would be a concern right now, you know, going

745
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: if they were to fight right now, I'd be like,

746
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: how does that translate? So I think it plays into

747
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: the same thing with Santos, But I'm just not sure

748
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: Santos is going to I'm not sure he's going to

749
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: actually want to test that. I mean, do you feel

750
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: like he will?

751
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: No? I don't. I feel like Santos has not been

752
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: the same. I mean, we always go back to it

753
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: with these debates about what you're supposed to do in

754
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: terms of tolerating injury in a fight, and you know,

755
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: to blow out both of his knees in the way

756
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: that he did. You know, there's an argument to make

757
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: right where like this is a title picture. You may

758
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: never get back here again. Just let it rock, like,

759
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: go through with it, you know, because I don't know

760
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: if he tore both right away. I think it was

761
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: a cumulative over time. But the point is like you

762
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: just let it go. But like, dude, you know everyone

763
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: does this shit in nime and it drives me up

764
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: the fucking wall where it's like, Okay, you got to

765
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: just make that sacrifice. It's like, okay, let's make that sacrifice.

766
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: Fellas ladies. If you are going to say something like,

767
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: let's make a sacrifice for this short term moment, and

768
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: there could be a good reason for that, by the way,

769
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: there very much could be this one or any other.

770
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: You must also like if I could make them sign

771
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: a waiver in the argument, the argument would also include

772
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: I recognize upfront at the sacrifice is worth it, knowing

773
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: full well this will carry long term consequence, this will

774
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: carry long term significance for both his potential quality of

775
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: life and certainly his ability to compete at a reasonable

776
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: level past this event. And there is always the discussion

777
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: upfront of how it's worth it, without any of the

778
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: discussion on the back end about what the fuck this

779
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: is going to do to you. Dude, he is not

780
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: the same fighter. He is not. Let's just say it

781
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: out loud. He is not even close to the same

782
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: fighter that he once was. And you can draw a

783
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: fucking clear line in the sand because he had ups

784
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: and downs before the Jones fight, obviously, but in terms

785
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: of the style he fights, yeah, the Glover fight was

786
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of close. He kind of recaptured a little bit

787
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: of magic. And by the way, saying he's not the

788
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: same fighter is not me saying he can't win. But

789
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: it changed him. It completely changed him. And so all

790
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: the folks who are like, it's worth it, but don't

791
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: let the doctors get involved, blah blah blah blah blah. Great,

792
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: welcome to the bill being due. How do you intend

793
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: to pay? That's what I always try to tell people.

794
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure those same people will be, uh, you know,

795
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: checking in on him. Five years down the line to

796
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: make sure he's doing okay.

797
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: And when he has arthritis at fifty, I'm sure they'll

798
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: be well there.

799
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: I know now, I know what you're saying. I know

800
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: what you're saying. That's uh, there are a lot of

801
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: there are a lot of very short sighted ideas that

802
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 2: just persist in MMA. But yes, that is definitely something

803
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: has bugged me over the years too, man, And you

804
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: know in his in his case, gosh, you can point

805
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: to some hard luck cases, uh over over the course

806
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: of the fight game. But man, that guy was so

807
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: close to beating John Jones, you know what I mean,

808
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: at least a see to me at the time, like

809
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: it was so close to he was so close to,

810
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: you know, realizing something in this game. And now he's

811
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: on the other end of that. And I don't want

812
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: to say I'm watching through my fingers with him, but

813
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: I agree with you that it's it's one of those

814
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: situations where you're like, if he flashes any vintage for him,

815
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: it's probably going to come out of his hands right

816
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: like it's gonna comes, He's going to maybe get a knockout.

817
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 2: But realistically he's falling more and more into the puncher's

818
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: chance than he is of a guy that you're like,

819
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: well he's a hard you know what I mean, Like,

820
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: I just feel like he's slipped into that spot now,

821
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: but he's still got some juice on his name.

822
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: He still got some juice on his name. He still

823
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: has a big power. I do believe that. I do

824
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: believe that. You know, he's fought guys like Jamal Hill

825
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: to an extent, certainly from an experiential standpoint, like how

826
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: many fights does he have? I think he's like ten

827
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: or twelve fights something like that, not that many. So

828
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: in that sense, it's nothing really new. But it just

829
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: I can't stand these fucking conversations that everyone has all

830
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: the time, and they never ever want to acknowledge what

831
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: the cost of that shit is after the fact, and

832
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: here we are living through it, and then they dump

833
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: on the guy, right they'll be like, oh now he's boring. Yeah, motherfucker.

834
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: He had both of his knees shredded, like trying to

835
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: fight maybe the best fighter we've ever seen that everyone

836
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: cheered on like, yeah he go to can you imagine

837
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: his Instagram comments at night like you're a fucking warrior.

838
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: And now if I guarantee you if he turns in

839
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: a bad fight. What a fucking bumb fuck this guy?

840
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Da da. It's like, holy shit, man, they're both there.

841
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: It's the it's the other side of the coin. It's

842
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: the same thing.

843
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: Don't you get it. Don't you get exhausted trying to

844
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: like fill in the context for people who do this.

845
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in a concept when I used

846
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: to do the mail bags at ESPN and and later

847
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: on and stuff, like you'd always be answering questions like this,

848
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: like you're talking about or like just an attitude about

849
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: something where like, well, you're not considering the whole situation here,

850
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: especially when you're dealing with like major injuries or stuff

851
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: like that where a guy has had to come through it.

852
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: To just push all that aside is ridiculous. But I

853
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: hate having to go through and do what you just did,

854
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: which is like add the context for somebody just to

855
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: bring them around to the idea that they should, you know,

856
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: be perceiving this whole situation a little differently. Gosh, I

857
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: get that that just goes on and on. At some point,

858
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: you would think there would be a larger sense of

859
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if empathy is the right word. But

860
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: just like memory, you know of what these guys have

861
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: been through. But Luke, you've been in this game as

862
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: long as I have, and I have not seen that development.

863
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm still explaining everything just like you are.

864
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then well, sometimes the debate changes by virtue

865
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: of the fact that it has to. Like the fighter

866
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: pay debate has changed because we now have core documents

867
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: and you know, there's it has moved, and so is

868
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: a consequence, so has the conversation. But like I've noticed it.

869
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: That's why I do the five year thing. I think

870
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: MMA fandom for the most part, and then you know,

871
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: you and I might be different or whatever, but and

872
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: there's there are other are other different people, of course.

873
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: But what I mean to say is it lasts about

874
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: five years. About five years, Yeah, people get red hot

875
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: with it. Then they kind of begin to fade, and

876
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: then the same questions you are answering in the first

877
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: five years they come circling back all the time because dude,

878
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: it's new fans who don't have any prior relationship to

879
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: the sport trying to figure it out. And so I

880
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: get it, you know, but it tells you that like

881
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: this was the thing that we never talked about. I'm

882
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: kind of on a tangent here, but this is the

883
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: thing we never talked about. Like, there was a real

884
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: concerning time at the beginning of the UFC's deal with Fox,

885
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: where you know, the ratings were not great. They were okay,

886
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: but they were and some of them were good. Like

887
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: the first vet they had on Fox was like a

888
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: big hit. I remember I was in on vacation at

889
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: the time overseas, and but you know, over time, like

890
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, the UFC had gone to Brazil like

891
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: seven times. In one of those places was a place

892
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: called uber Langia. That's not a joke. I was like,

893
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: that's a real fucking place. But yes, it's a real place.

894
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: And so there was this question about like is there

895
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: watering the product down? And what I ended up thinking

896
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: was like I was worried that, like, are they just

897
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: running the sport into the ground. What I got right

898
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: was that the ratings were declining and there was this

899
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: lack of enthusiasm and fans were leaving. What I didn't

900
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: count on and didn't see coming, was that there would

901
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: be this natural life cycle of new crop that went

902
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: right in behind them, and then Ralsey and McGregor ushered

903
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: it in and everything else. But like there is a

904
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: real life cycle. Whether it's five years, chuck, you tell me,

905
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: but it does feel like there's this constant churn and

906
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: so we constantly have to revisit these issues.

907
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 2: I think that that's exactly right, because I really started

908
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: covering the sport maybe in two thousand and seven. Two

909
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, for sure, is when I was really

910
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: involved in the sport. Now that and under the five

911
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: year thing, you would see three iterations of fans or

912
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: three you know, three cycles there, and I would say

913
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: that that's absolutely true. When I first started coming to sport,

914
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: and you probably remember this too, everybody's big peeve was

915
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: that if you came in during the Tough one finale,

916
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: right like anybody who was old school before, that was

917
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: like your new man, you're a new like you, you know,

918
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: and the enthusiasm just kind of shifted as that happened.

919
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: And then there was there's been multiple like you mentioned

920
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 2: the McGregor and Ralsey period. I felt like that introduced

921
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: a whole I mean, that was the biggest moment in

922
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: MMA is when those when those two things are going,

923
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: everything was off there, there's a ton of money being

924
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: thrown around in MMA coverage and everything else. Like just

925
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: everything was just big and now you're into a new one.

926
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: And it's I think that I'm I'm the one who's

927
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: slowed to pick up how it's working. But you do

928
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: have guys like O'Malley and the YouTube generation, you know,

929
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: and guys like Jake Paul Right who brings attention to it,

930
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: a whole new audience. There's a very there's a there's

931
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: a younger audience that's getting involved in it again. It

932
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: is replenishing as we speak. And so I do feel like,

933
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: you know what our central focuses were five, ten years ago,

934
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: whatever it was, If they're coming around again, you have

935
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: to kind of go through it again. Now you have

936
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: to actually add that context for those fans. It's a

937
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: crazy sport, I do think though, man Like, running all

938
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: these events all the time, it just it can't be

939
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: more than five years. Even I'm sure you've had burnout

940
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: at some point, man Like, at some point you're just

941
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: like I can't, dude, I just need a break from this.

942
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: Like this is just going on and on and on.

943
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: It's it's tough to follow, Like for f fifteen years straight,

944
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: like just wall to wall. It is very tough to do.

945
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, folks like what does it

946
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: take to be when his mmay journalist and like you

947
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: know you had Israelta sign on being like I could

948
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: do your job, and in certain ways he actually is correct,

949
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: but it's like, well, I can tell you what I've lost.

950
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: I've lost a lot of friends. I've lost fifteen years

951
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: of Saturday nights. I've lost girlfriends, I've lost, you know,

952
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: a life outside of it. Basically, like you know, you

953
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: guys want to do this for your life. That's the cost,

954
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: That's what it's going to come with it. Like you

955
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: can do the act of journalism, you could be on camera,

956
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: but the life that comes with it. Be very careful

957
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: what you wish for. I'll put it that way. Okay,

958
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: back to the card, as we've seen her reminiscing about

959
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: what two old pieces of shit we are.

960
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: It's a natural conversation.

961
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: It's a natural conversation. The comin now this one is

962
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: all action. We sent a Luke taken on Jeff Neil.

963
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about this again on so

964
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: let's see sat excuse me. Wednesday, with Dannie what I

965
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: was saying Saturday, we sent a Luke, this guy who's

966
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: been up there, up there, up there. Now he's getting

967
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: a little little bit you know. Yeah, he might be

968
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: coming into his prime in the sense of his age.

969
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: He's thirty, but he's got a lot of fights. He's

970
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: got thirty one fights or so, thirty fights or so.

971
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: He's coming off the lost of lah Muhammad. But but

972
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: here's the question for you, Chuck, before that win over

973
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: Nico Price, win over Randy Brown, win over Tyron Woodley,

974
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: win over Michael Yess, who he's submitted by the way,

975
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: and then he loses to ballall but the Blaw fight,

976
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: while thorough in the sense of you know, it was

977
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: arithmetic by the time the fight was over and he

978
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: was controlled, he didn't get super beat up. He's just

979
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: thirty years old. I'm going to ask you the same

980
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: question about Luke. Although this is the odds, I should

981
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: note they're very tight on this one. For the main event,

982
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: they were not still with Luke. I feel like he's

983
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: tasted the higher end of this division in ways that

984
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: Neil has not to this point. Your thoughts on his

985
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: upside at age thirty.

986
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: Difficult to say for sure, but I agree with you

987
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: one hundred percent on the resume. The strength of resume.

988
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: I think that for Jeff Neil, this is the toughest

989
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: fight he's had. This would be the toughest fight for

990
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: Jef Neil, Whereas with Luke you could say like he

991
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 2: has had tougher fights. I think, you know, he's fought

992
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: Leon back in the day, He's had to stand in

993
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: there against some very good fighters. But his upside, it's

994
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: almost it's kind of it's funny because he's I think

995
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: he's so well rounded, like and he's he's such a

996
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 2: finisher in his mind, you know, Like I think thirteen

997
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: of his eighteen fights in the UFC, thirteen of them

998
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: have been finished as victories that he's won. I mean,

999
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: it's just kind of absurd that and he's able to

1000
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 2: do it, you know, on the feet on the mat.

1001
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: I it feels to me like he's got tremendous upside,

1002
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: but then he does slip. So's it's one of those

1003
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: it's one of those situations where I'm not sure he's

1004
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: You hate to say it, but I'm like, I'm not sure.

1005
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: I can't envision him being a champion in the division

1006
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: for any sustained amount of time or even maybe ever

1007
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: getting it. But he'll always be that guy in the

1008
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 2: top five for or like around the top five for

1009
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: as long as he's as long as he's going and

1010
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: hold that space. He's not a gatekeeper. He's he's just

1011
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: a he's a machine. But I just I don't know, man,

1012
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: I just don't see it, Like I don't feel like

1013
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: he's as rounded as some of the other guys that are,

1014
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: like they get maybe some of his weaknesses could be exploited,

1015
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: you know, by really smart fighters things like that. I

1016
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: just I'm not sure he'll be a champion at any

1017
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 2: point in his career.

1018
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he certainly is very talented, right, and

1019
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 1: he gives good fighters tough fights like that fight for

1020
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: what you call it, the fight for as I just

1021
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: mentioned against bal Mohammad, like that was hard fought. It

1022
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: was not easy at all, and it went the full distance,

1023
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: I believe, you know. So these are things that are

1024
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: difficult for him. But you're wondering, I think this is

1025
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: where I'm at. It's like, Okay, what's He's got one

1026
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: or two more corners he has to round before You're like, Okay,

1027
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: he's a threat to usman right, he's a threat to Colby,

1028
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: because if Blall can control him, you would imagine that

1029
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: those two guys could right just as well. On the feet, though,

1030
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: I'll say, you know he you would agree on the feet,

1031
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of guys that won seventy

1032
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: at this stage that I think you could give him

1033
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: a problems. Here are the rankings, let me pull them

1034
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: up here at one seventy. So let's go to the

1035
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: top ten. So you have shotcot Rock modov I guess

1036
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, that dude appears to be a

1037
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: fucking nightmare right behind right, but right in front of

1038
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: him is Sean Brady, another fucking nightmare. But then you

1039
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: have Masvidal Thompson. Thompson's on his last legs here, kind

1040
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: of as a as a guy. Luka is sitting at six,

1041
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: Blall at five, Burns at four now Burns obviously is

1042
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: going to be a tough fight. Then you got hamzat leon. Yeah,

1043
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not sure this A lot seems

1044
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: to me like there's a couple more a couple more

1045
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: corners he really has to round before you can say yes. Obviously,

1046
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: a good guy. Obviously a top ten guy, maybe even

1047
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: a top five guy, but not a championship guy just yet.

1048
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: Especially when you go through that list. God, man, that

1049
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 2: is just a murderer's row. And the way that those

1050
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 2: guys can beat you, like you mentioned just controlling a fight,

1051
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: like the way that they dominate fights. It's just tough

1052
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: to see Luke getting past some of those. I think

1053
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: he'd be the underdog in more than half of those

1054
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: that you just you know, so it's an uphill battle

1055
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: for him. But you never know, man, I mean, it's

1056
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: just one of those things. But he is three years old.

1057
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: I think that this would be the moment for him

1058
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: if he's going to make that run. I think that

1059
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: it's got to be like now and uh, and we'll

1060
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: see how he does. But like Hamzat and you're mentioning

1061
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: Brady and all these, I mean, it's just that's that's

1062
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: too much for it. I just don't think he's better

1063
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: than those guys, to be honest.

1064
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: I will say though, being thirty and having this kind

1065
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: of experience, the next couple of years are going to

1066
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: be interesting. Still, it takes us to his opponent, which

1067
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: is Jeff Neil Now Jeff Neil was a guy I

1068
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: think had some hands of steel. Jeff Neil, Remember he

1069
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: got a lot of pop because he was a waiter.

1070
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: Remember that, Yes, yeah, yeah, I remember talking him about it. Yeah, yeah,

1071
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: I do. I remember. I have a I have family

1072
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: in Dallas. They were telling me that the restaurant he

1073
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: was waiting at, Wading Tables, that was actually a fun

1074
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: place for brunch. So I'm told, yeah, in any in

1075
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: any event, though, he's a lot older. He's eleven years

1076
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: older basically than and Vicente Luke. So he's what am

1077
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: I saying? What am I saying? No, he's one year

1078
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: younger or older? Sorry? What am I saying? Bye? Bye? Dude?

1079
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: I need new prescription glasses? Could I be worse?

1080
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: So he's he's eleven years I'm missing, I'm missing part

1081
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: of this story.

1082
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: I was like, well, no, no, no, no, it's he's about

1083
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: it's about one year or so. So he's about thirty

1084
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: one or thirty two at most. Yeah, but okay, but

1085
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: he's kind of been up and down. So he had

1086
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: the nice wins over Nico Price and then Mike Perry, which,

1087
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: by the way, these guys share a lot of opponents

1088
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: in that way. He had the loss to Wonder Boy,

1089
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: which was basically one sided. He had the loss to

1090
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: Magni as well. He rebound against Ponzinibia. But then I

1091
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: asked Danny this and he was like, yeah, but this

1092
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: Ponzinibio is not the guy from a few years ago.

1093
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: It's a different version. How how much is re what's

1094
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: a reasonable expectation for Jeff Neil.

1095
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: I feel like he's already kind of busted the expectations,

1096
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: Like he's already kind of ascended to levels where you're like, well,

1097
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: you've already done it, man, Like you've gone where you

1098
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: need to go. Like you mentioned he was a waiter.

1099
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: I remember talking to him. He's like, I wudn't even

1100
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: quit the job because it's gearing money. Why would I

1101
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: quit it? I'm just going to do this on the side,

1102
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: and being like what, you know, because he was moving

1103
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: up fairly fast. This was after he knocked out Camacho

1104
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 2: out in Dallas with that headkick, remember that, and and

1105
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: you know, since then, I feel like he's just had

1106
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: a pretty remarkable run. The only thing I'll say is

1107
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: maybe he needs to rediscover like maybe he's gotten to

1108
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: the point where he's not taken the chances that he

1109
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: used to, because I think his excitement and his upside

1110
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: was based on him taking those chances. Like he had

1111
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 2: a bunch of finishes early in that run. The last

1112
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: few have not been like that. They've been more calculated, methodical,

1113
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: and he's starting to lose a couple of these. You'd

1114
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: like to see him kind of rediscover that dog a

1115
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: little bit that weird. I don't know what it is.

1116
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not obviously he cares about his career now

1117
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: in a way that he didn't before, but maybe he

1118
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: needs to throw caution in a little more to the win.

1119
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: I actually think that that's why this is a fun

1120
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: matchup for him, because he's got an accommodating partner who's

1121
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: going to say, like, hey, I'll bring that.

1122
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: Right out here.

1123
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: Let's do this. So it's really interesting to see how

1124
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: he fights this. How does he handle this type of fight?

1125
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: Does he do that you know, does he let it

1126
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: go a little more? I feel like, you tell me, man,

1127
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,959
Speaker 2: maybe you've watched his fights a little closer. It feels

1128
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: like he's been a little more holstered his last few

1129
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: fights out, like he's not the same guy who was

1130
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: shooting up the ranks at the when he was coming

1131
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: up there.

1132
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and remember in December of twenty twenty one he

1133
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: had the DWI arrest. You know, Oh that's right, Yeah,

1134
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: which is not like the end of the world. Like

1135
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have gotten it and

1136
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: turned their lives around. I mean, I'm not here to

1137
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: say drunk driving is no big deal, but I'm just

1138
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: here to say that I know people who have made

1139
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: mistakes like that but then really cleaned everything up and

1140
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: got around it. And you can't judge a person in

1141
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: totality by one mistake like that, even as potentially egregious

1142
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: as it could be. I think that's the way I

1143
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: would say it. I want to get a little more delicate. Nevertheless,

1144
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: kind of made you wonder. It's like he had the

1145
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: losses and then that happened, and you're like, where are

1146
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: we coming or going on any of this. I tend

1147
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: to think that, like, look, he's with a good team,

1148
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: he's with a safe sighte. What I believe out of

1149
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: fortis MMA he can he has big power, but with

1150
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: Luka and I would say he's much further behind Luca

1151
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: in terms of overall game development. They're just there he

1152
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: has a good skill set to get him where he's at,

1153
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: but to get where he wants to go, there needs

1154
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: to be more added. I mean, it's just really as

1155
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: simple as that. He has to add way more than

1156
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: what he's got. And so it's not just the significance

1157
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,959
Speaker 1: of beating Luka or not. It's the significance of what

1158
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: other things are you doing to develop the game in

1159
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: the middle of your prime where it's still kind of

1160
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: possible to put yourself ahead in this pack where now

1161
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: you're seeing it at lightweight and now you're seeing it

1162
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: at welterweight. This next generation bubbling up. We talked about

1163
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: the sar Yukins and the Gamroots. Here come the Brady's,

1164
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: the Rockmanovs, Chamaiovs already here. In many ways, there's just

1165
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: a lot going on there. So that's kind of where

1166
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm at. It's like, which one of these guys is

1167
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: actually going to be able to level up past this

1168
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: win on Saturday. In that sense, Luka is a little

1169
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: bit further ahead in the race, although it is close.

1170
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: I will say, yeah, I agree with you, man, and

1171
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 2: I think that yeah, and I think that with Neil.

1172
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, like how long he's been

1173
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: now full time like into MMA. But I agree with you.

1174
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: I feel like you kind of see You hate to

1175
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: say this, because you're right, he's thirty one years old,

1176
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: but I feel like we've already seen his ceiling. And

1177
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: it's probably wrong to believe that, because I know that

1178
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: he could still add a lot more to it, but

1179
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: it just feels that way. It just feels like you've

1180
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: seen him it is highest already, and maybe that's the

1181
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: narrative he needs to combat and overthrow, you know what

1182
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: I mean, because I feel like a lot of people

1183
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 2: sort of feel like that about him right now.

1184
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: Fair enough. On the rest of this card, there's Terrence McKinny,

1185
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: who is an enormous favorite over Eric Gonzalez. Terence McKinnie.

1186
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever been to anything other than

1187
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: a finish one way or the other. So he is

1188
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: an all action affair of minus eight fifty. Jesus, that

1189
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: is high. Oh, we got to talk about it really quickly, Jesez. Yeah,

1190
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: minus eight fifty that's fucking high. Wow. Sam All, he's

1191
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: still on this card, bro, Sam Alv's out here doing it,

1192
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: but he could tie the record or I think even

1193
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: set the record with another loss here with bj Pen

1194
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: In terms of consecutive losses, I think this would.

1195
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: Be like potentially explained that one to me? What is

1196
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: it a modest eight fight unwinning streak, Like I think

1197
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: he's lost seven of those, right, Like, how the hell

1198
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: is he? Don't? I don't really understand the Sam Alby thing.

1199
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: I love him, He's a very nice guy and all

1200
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: that stuff, but like, does he have dirt on the

1201
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: UFC or something? What's going on with that?

1202
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, his last solid win was twenty eighteen.

1203
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: Good guy.

1204
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was in a very different part

1205
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: of my career in twenty eighteen. I know, you know, Jesus,

1206
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the answer is there, to

1207
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: be quite honest with you, I listen, it's not like

1208
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: and you know, it sounds like you're wishing bad on

1209
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: him and no, and also like there's not a finite

1210
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: amount of roster spots, you know, like they could have

1211
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: signed more people if they want to sign more people.

1212
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: It's not even that, but it's just pretty clear that

1213
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: like there's no upside here. You could get a win potentially,

1214
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: but like where is this train going? It's not it's

1215
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, not in this orginistration, and so that's

1216
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: kind of the part of part that's kind of got me.

1217
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: And of course arian O Lipsky opens the card against

1218
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: Priscilla catch where a women's flyweight contest. Lipsky entering this

1219
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: contest off of a win, although she had two losses

1220
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 1: previously to that, and then her opponent in this case,

1221
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: Pasilla Catchware, was something of a redeveloped fighter since losing

1222
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: to Shipchenko in the way that she did a little bit,

1223
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: she comes in and went off for Geng Kim. Anything

1224
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 1: on this card stand out to you, besides the fights

1225
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,959
Speaker 1: I've mentioned, I.

1226
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: Like the McKinney fight because because I think that after

1227
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: he got his first loss, right like the first loss

1228
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: in the UFC, I just you always want to see

1229
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: how they respond, and I just you know, he's such

1230
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: a dynamic guy and he's, uh, he kind of When

1231
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: I was looking at this card, you're right, it doesn't

1232
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of imagination to it. There's not

1233
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: a lot of things that are going to peauk your interest.

1234
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: But for sure I still got my eyes on him.

1235
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: So I'd say that on the prelims, that's the one fight.

1236
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: I've got a circle, all right.

1237
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: Fair enough, let's move on to PFL. Don't have a

1238
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: whole lot to say about it. It is tonight, the

1239
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: PFL seven. It's an interesting time for the PFL. So

1240
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: let me pull up my notes here for this particular

1241
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: event if I can, now, this is the weird one

1242
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: you've got. Anthony Pettis taken on Stevie Ray in your

1243
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: main event. They just fought a few weeks ago, Chuck,

1244
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: where Pettis loses via like a sort of rib crank.

1245
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: I guess it's the best way to describe it. But

1246
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: this is the semi finals of the lightweight tourney, so

1247
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: it's not like that doesn't count. It counts, but they

1248
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: both are still able to move on based on how

1249
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: points and everything else are established. Well, I gotta tell you, Pettis,

1250
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: I admire his willingness to get out here and continue

1251
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: to fight. My man's taken a lot of damage, yes,

1252
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: a lot of damage, A lot of damage. I think

1253
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: this is a winnable fight. I do, But I wonder

1254
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: if he loses this, Chuck, where does Pettis go from here?

1255
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's not a good place, man,

1256
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: because he would then be one and four. I believe

1257
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: in the PFL since coming over, and you know, to

1258
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 2: lose back to back fights against the guy he would

1259
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 2: have I think we can agree, would have destroyed at

1260
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: earlier parts of his career. I don't know. And you know,

1261
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: they're they're paying him, right, Like, the pfl's paying him

1262
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and I think there's some pressure

1263
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: that comes with that obviously to perform. I just I

1264
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: don't know, man, I it's one of those those strange

1265
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 2: situations where you know he's chasing this new kind of goal,

1266
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 2: but if he can't achieve it against guys I think

1267
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: he should beat, to be honest, I mean, even at

1268
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: this stage, I'm like he I think he should still

1269
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 2: beat you know, Stevie Ray and I honestly, he probably

1270
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: should win in the in the finals if he makes

1271
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: it like this is set up for him to win

1272
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: so but if he's not able to get there, if

1273
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 2: he's just not able to do it, the writing would

1274
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: be on the wall. I feel like for some people

1275
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: it already probably is, but it's it's a weird. I

1276
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: think the red flag for me a little bit too,

1277
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: is you know, you've been in this a long time too,

1278
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: like where accountability when you lose and just kind of

1279
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: what you say afterwards or what you start to believe.

1280
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: A lot of times, I don't really like what Anthony

1281
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: Pettis says after a loss, Like he was basically saying

1282
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: on this last one that he didn't really it was

1283
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: hard getting up for the fight because he knew it

1284
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: didn't really mean as much and you know it like

1285
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: like he kind of already resolved before the fight that

1286
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: it didn't matter. But I'm like, it always matters when

1287
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: you know you're in a situation where you're being brought

1288
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: in as a showcase talent, like a guy with a

1289
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: big name and all that stuff, it always matters. So

1290
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's it's not even just his his

1291
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: record that concerns you. It's just maybe the way he's

1292
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: viewing the game, and you know, it's just his basic

1293
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: like hunger for the game. Still at this point, some

1294
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: of that's in question too, So I'm not sure, Man,

1295
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: if he loses this one, I feel like that's it's

1296
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: time for a little bit of introspection from him.

1297
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure, no doubt about it. And again, the odds

1298
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: are ray. I mean, it's a pick. It's a pick

1299
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: a minus one ten in either direction. You saw the

1300
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: first win, the first fight anyway that Stevie Ray had

1301
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: over him where he did that little rib crank, which

1302
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: was nasty but pretty fucking cool at the same time.

1303
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't I listen Pettis are you know you want

1304
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: guys to It's weird. You almost want guys to have

1305
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: a foot out the door, like when they start doing

1306
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: commentary gigs or now he's got his own little promotion

1307
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: and whatever the fuck else he's doing. You know you

1308
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: like seeing that because it's like, Okay, you're beginning to

1309
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: set the groundwork for something else. You know what would

1310
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: be great for Pettess is if he wins the whole thing,

1311
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: gets the big check at the you know, the end

1312
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: with the whatever, and then can say he made all

1313
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: this money and then he can go about his day.

1314
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: That would be nice. And if he loses, it's hardly

1315
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: the end of the world. I mean, he's out here

1316
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: pushing his best. But I just I genuinely worry. Stevie

1317
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: Ray has been is long in the tooth, but not

1318
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't think he's taken nearly as much damage as Pettess,

1319
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: although maybe he has. Who's to say, But the thing

1320
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: I worry about with Pettess is he goes through with

1321
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: all of this, really he continues to take more injuries

1322
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: and you know, doesn't have a whole lot to show

1323
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 1: for a post UFC career in the end, which again

1324
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm not here to slam him for. I just I

1325
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: don't know, man, when these guys get to a point

1326
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: where they're getting injury, they have as much damage as

1327
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: he has absorbed over the course of his career, and

1328
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: they're still out there trying to beat guys who are

1329
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: I think Stevie Ray. I'm not gonna say his career

1330
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: is unfulfilled. I don't know that, but he's not achieved

1331
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: what Pettis has, right, so it means probably by definition,

1332
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: significantly more to him. I just don't ever really like

1333
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: those scenarios. That's the thing that gives.

1334
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: Me a little bit of well, and you wouldn't be

1335
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: a human being covering the sport if you didn't have

1336
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: some of this. Because we have watched Anthony Pettis forever, man,

1337
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy has been around doing this for

1338
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: a long time. We've seen him at the top of

1339
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: the game. I was watching him recently. I think maybe

1340
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: it was on Aerials show, but they were talking about

1341
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: how you know he was getting those million dollars like

1342
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: bonuses and those mail and stuff like that. He was

1343
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: on the weedies. I feel like, actually that's where it

1344
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: started to go south for him a little bit. Is

1345
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: the moment he appears on it like the biggest moment

1346
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: became like the highest moment he reached, and then he

1347
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: started to decline because he lost the title after that.

1348
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: And he's been he's been hit or missed, but he's

1349
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: been a lot of misses and you do see him

1350
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: taking a just an extraordinary amount of talent, I mean

1351
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: a damage. And you I know in the rufous gym

1352
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: back in the day at least you know those guys

1353
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: were sparring hard too, man. So you just it's it's

1354
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: it's just been a long, long career. And I know

1355
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: he's made a lot of money. I don't know if

1356
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: he's invested it well and all that stuff, but he's

1357
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 2: one of those guys you're like, you've made You've made

1358
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: some good money in this sport. You'd like to see him,

1359
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: if it comes down to that, not continue to take

1360
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: that damage. It's just tough. Man. We're human beings who

1361
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: watch these guys. You write about him, you talk to them,

1362
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: and over the course of time. Man, it's just you

1363
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: don't want to see a guy just get repeatedly beat

1364
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,959
Speaker 2: like that, and and there are very few graceful outs

1365
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: in the sport. We talk about this all the time,

1366
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 2: but you just don't want to see him go through

1367
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: too much of that.

1368
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, again, the fight is competitive. Basically the makers

1369
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: think it's fifty to fifty, so he could certainly get

1370
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: the win move on to the playoffs, and obviously if

1371
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: he does in that particular circumstance and gain my notes

1372
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: right here, he would then take on the winner, it

1373
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: seems of Olivier Alvin Marcier versus Alex Martinez. This is

1374
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: an interesting one to me. Olivia Albin Marcier had a

1375
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: decent run in the UFC, but then then basically got

1376
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: ousted on three consecutive losses to Hernandez, Gilbert Burns and

1377
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: then armand Saryukian. But you're like, well, that was Hernandez

1378
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: at his very bad. That was when Hernandez had like

1379
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 1: that two fight win strig where he beat dar Yusch

1380
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: and then this guy and then he lost to Burns

1381
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: and saruki And since then he has not lost a

1382
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: fucking thing. He beat Martin Hill, Darryl Horcher, Natan Schultz,

1383
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: and then the guy who was the winner last season

1384
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: who has dumb power, how Schmann Fio. He has had

1385
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: a really nice little run here in the PFL. Something

1386
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: very good is very possible for him. Do you not agree?

1387
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: No? I agree with one hundred percent. I mean, honestly,

1388
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 2: I think it's his tournament. You know, it should be

1389
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: his tournament. If he keeps going the way he's going,

1390
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: I would favor him probably to win this. And you know,

1391
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: it's funny, like I hadn't really thought of that, but

1392
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: like those three fights consecutive at the end of the

1393
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: see no shame in losing to Gilbert Burns and Uh

1394
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: and Sarukian, right like you lose to guys like that.

1395
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: I mean, these are these are guys who are way

1396
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: up there in the rankings and all that stuff, so

1397
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: very tough fighters. I do I do like the way

1398
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,439
Speaker 2: I feel like it's uh, this setup is really good

1399
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: for him because I'm not sure he could ever make

1400
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 2: a million dollars in the UFC man, but he could

1401
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: do that here, So yeah, I'm intrigued.

1402
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: Uh. Indeed, Now on the other side of the equation

1403
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: for this main card you have, it's a light heavyweight,

1404
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: So the main card is basically the lightweight semis and

1405
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: then the light heavyweight semis. The one that is most

1406
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: interesting to me, there's one between Rob Wilkinson and Delon

1407
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: Monte that we'll talk about that in just a second.

1408
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: But the one that I find much more interesting is

1409
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: the vout between Josh Silvera and omri Akmetov. Omri Akmetov

1410
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: kind of got bounced from UFC. Good, not great. Then

1411
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: he's taken on Josh Silvera. For folks who don't know

1412
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: who this is, this is the son of Konan Silvera

1413
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: conan might see is the humongous guy that's always in

1414
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: the corner of Amanda Nunez. He's been like a staple

1415
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: at att forever. This is his son who is undefeated.

1416
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: And it should be noted Chuck moved to this position

1417
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: with a win over a guy that every one in

1418
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: the PFL who I talked to or who was there

1419
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: secret was telling me like, this is the guy you

1420
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: want to pay attention to. This is the guy his

1421
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: name was Martine Hamlet and Silvera polished him off in

1422
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: the first round with a k headkick and then knees

1423
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: from the clinch. According to this, I saw the fight

1424
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: in the Highlands we talked about here on the show. But

1425
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: you get the idea. He is very good, but he's

1426
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: only nine to oher size. This one up for me.

1427
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: How do you assess this matchup?

1428
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: Well, I think that that is the factor I know.

1429
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: And it's funny too, because these guys have a little

1430
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: backstory too, because they're both They were both teammates right like,

1431
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: they've they've trained together, they know each other. Maybe that

1432
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: will actually play into it could go the way obviously,

1433
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 2: but maybe that plays into the inexperience. It actually kind of,

1434
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 2: you know, covers up for some of that inexperience. Just

1435
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: knowing who a mari is and what he can do.

1436
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 2: It is an intriguing fight. Man like a Mario have

1437
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 2: like fifteen fights in the UFC. He's a guy who

1438
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: stood in there against guys like Wideman, and you know

1439
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: he's fought He's fought a lot of good guys in

1440
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 2: the sport. It's cool to see him have like some

1441
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: kind of other path in the you know, in the

1442
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: PFL and to be doing this it should be a

1443
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: fun one. Man. I think that Josh, like, just in

1444
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: hearing his interviews, seems to me like a pretty cool

1445
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: guy in terms of who he is to like just

1446
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 2: his story and his dad and everything and everything that's

1447
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: going on. He's been around the gym since he was

1448
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: like eight years old, nine years old, and I just

1449
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: you know, this is his this is his breakout moment.

1450
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: It's kind of reminded me a little bit about Ray

1451
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 2: Cooper back in the day when he was first coming

1452
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: up in the PFL. He just had this this look

1453
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: to him that you're like kind of sneaking in there

1454
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: and and doing stuff in this in this league and

1455
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: becomes one of their guys. So I think that he's

1456
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: got a little bit of that vibe, and I wouldn't

1457
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: be surprised at all if he shines tonight, you know

1458
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: what I mean. I think he's got that.

1459
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, dude, if Silvera goes in there

1460
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: and just does what I mean, he moves to ten

1461
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: and oh with wins over guys like o Mario Alcamedev.

1462
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: I thought he was a good prospect, blue chip. I

1463
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: didn't know, but you'd be a guy like Metal in

1464
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: your tenth profile. Yeah, you might be. You might be. Now,

1465
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: of course, the winner of that will have to take

1466
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: on the winner between Rob Wilkinson and Delante excuse me,

1467
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: delon Monte. Wilkinson. For folks who might remember, he had

1468
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: a sort of an unremarkable UFC run. He fought ci

1469
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: Arbah Rozada loses. Then he fought uh, he fought a

1470
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: debuting Israel audacity or to sign it.

1471
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 2: He's the main thing I remember, I know, and he.

1472
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: Was trying like a motherfucker to get that takedown, and

1473
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: is he wouldn't let him have it. So that was

1474
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: Isy's UFC debut. Since then, he actually has done pretty well.

1475
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: He's fought in the UFC twice or sorry what I'm

1476
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: I saying. He frough the PFL twice, winning once in

1477
01:05:58,360 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty well both of these are twenty twenty two.

1478
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: He beat Bruce Uto and then UFC vet Victor Pesta.

1479
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: Delon Monte obviously andrews this contest off a win over

1480
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: PFL and then formally I think even will tires a

1481
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: fighting standout Emiliano Sorti. He does have a loss to

1482
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: shoe face, although I can't imagine the same kind of

1483
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: threats are in play here. You have any strong opinions

1484
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: about Wilkinson and Monte.

1485
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: Not really, I really don't on this one. But to me,

1486
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: you know, it's a it's kind of like the old

1487
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: Belatar brackets where it's like you've got one side of

1488
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: the I don't want, you know, I'm not trying not

1489
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: to be too strong, but like the kind of wouldwork

1490
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: guys within it, but then the other fight is like, well,

1491
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: that's your winner, that's your that's the guy that's coming

1492
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: out of it. So that's kind of how it feels

1493
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: to me. I'll actually I have not really watched Wilkinson

1494
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: in the PFL. I did watch him when he was

1495
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 2: in the UFC. I haven't really seen what he's done

1496
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 2: to his game to be a little different, But so

1497
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 2: I guess I'll be answering these questions a little bit

1498
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,479
Speaker 2: later as I watched this with you. Man.

1499
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on topic number four. We have

1500
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of fight announcements that we have to get to.

1501
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: Let me, we'll just go through these relatively quickly, so

1502
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: we just think, uh, set for October fifteenth. I don't

1503
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: have the card in front of me, but Brandon Royville

1504
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: is set to face Askar Askarov. Now, for Askarov, you know,

1505
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: had a real close fight obviously with Kaikar France, who

1506
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: just lost a win over Royvale. By the way, Royvale

1507
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: has a win over Kaikr France as well, I won't

1508
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: say as well, but has one big fight for Rouval,

1509
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: this would be his best win to date. But for

1510
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: Askarov to get at whatever Royville, it's not like that

1511
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: would represent necessarily his best win, but it would be

1512
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: a I mean, you know, you're talking about two guys

1513
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: who are well suited for each other, and ye Askarov

1514
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: is kind of like he needs a little bit of

1515
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: momentum to get back into that title picture. Win ofver

1516
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: Royvale certainly helps. Yeah.

1517
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about you, but I've had Askar

1518
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 2: Askarov like circled for a while. It's not quite like

1519
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: the the A beat back in the day, like we're

1520
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 2: that guy's going to be a champion, But I've had

1521
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: him circled like where you're like, I felt like he

1522
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 2: was going to be a champion at some point in

1523
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: his career. I really haven't come off with I saw

1524
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 2: him in Mexico City when he fought Brandon Moreno, and

1525
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, it was just being like, you

1526
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 2: watch some of the things he's able to do and

1527
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: they're very closely and you're like, man, this guy is good.

1528
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: So I still feel like he's the guy with this

1529
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 2: tremendous upside in this division and who will obviously factor

1530
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 2: in there at some point. But I love this challenge

1531
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 2: for him, man like going against Brandon Roibl, who's also

1532
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 2: stood in there against the good guys. And I think

1533
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 2: this was a big fight for Brandon Rouble, right, Like

1534
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 2: losing two in a row, you can't make it three

1535
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 2: and stay in that picture. So it's a big one

1536
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 2: for him and it's a very tough match for him

1537
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: to have to break a losing streak.

1538
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. We moved to Angela Hill taking

1539
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: on Lupita Go Dinez. This will be August thirteenth, coming

1540
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: up at UFC San Diego Hill, obviously out of the

1541
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: San Diego area. Hill had you know, she was pushing

1542
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: up there against the top of that division, and there's

1543
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: probably a couple of times that I thought she deserved

1544
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: the nod and didn't get it, which is unfortunate, and

1545
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: now she has to kind of resettle back at a

1546
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: lower part of this division, still against relevant opponents and

1547
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: relevant matchups. But it was a tough stretch for her

1548
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: for sure.

1549
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again she's what is she like three in

1550
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 2: a row, so you want to She's kind of been

1551
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: a staple and I feel like she's one of those

1552
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: game fighters who's like, yeah, just let short notice whatever,

1553
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: let's do this thing. So yes, another tough spot for her,

1554
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 2: but man, I for her sake, I hope she comes

1555
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 2: through in this one.

1556
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: Man, Amanda Heboss taken on Tracy Cortez. Boy, I wish

1557
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: BC was on the show for this one. Good Lord,

1558
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: why which here? Yeah, I'm not sure, well all of it, Okay,

1559
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: it would be the answer UFC UFC Fight Night. It'll

1560
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: be December third, an interesting one, Heboss. I think the

1561
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: UFC had kind of circled as like, oh, future title challenger.

1562
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: And then she does have some obviously very good ability,

1563
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 1: but she has got some real known weaknesses too. Tracy Cortes,

1564
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: I thought in her last fight looked good but kind

1565
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: of struggled a little bit down the stre in that fight,

1566
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: although she won good matchmaking. I like this matchmaking. This

1567
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: is good for the division. This is a nice This

1568
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: one could definitely go either way, and sometimes a lot

1569
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: of these fights don't.

1570
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 2: He has had so much buzz just recent, like, you know,

1571
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: not that long ago. Man. I feel like if she

1572
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: slips here, maybe that buzz goes away forever. To be honest,

1573
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 2: but I still believe in her upside man, like she's

1574
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I still feel like she's

1575
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: she will be a player in the division within the

1576
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: next couple of years. So this is a big It's

1577
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 2: a good match for it, but it's a it's also

1578
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: a big one for her.

1579
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. They have one on here,

1580
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: which I know for a fact is off, so I'm

1581
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: not going to read that one producers. Then we moved

1582
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,560
Speaker 1: to Matt Schnell taking on matteas Nicolau. This will be

1583
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: again December third, the same card as he Boss and Cortes. Schnell.

1584
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: I just you ever interviewed Matt Schnell, I have not,

1585
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 1: no dude. He's a smart guy. He's a different dude,

1586
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: like he's he really is a lot of times when

1587
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: I talk to fighters and this is when they're really

1588
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: dead set on it. Has to be my way. They

1589
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: fail to calibrate that correctly. They think that, like literally,

1590
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: they have to do everything a certain way, which is

1591
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: their own way. And I find that that's you can

1592
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: do that for a while, but eventually gets you into trouble. Yeah,

1593
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: the kinds of fighters that are the best that have

1594
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: that inclination are the kinds that also know how to

1595
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 1: put the brakes on and hand the reins off on

1596
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: occasion while still making themselves. It's hard to explain. They

1597
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: still make themselves their own the nucleus of their own operation.

1598
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: And then you get guys who just hand everything off,

1599
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's good either. He he kind

1600
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: of really definitely swims in both of those anyway. I

1601
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: interviewed him after his last win over Sumidergiat that ridiculous

1602
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: Long Island fight. Do you interview fighters at all anymore? Like?

1603
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: Is that a thing that you do rarely?

1604
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 2: Over the last like year year and have since leaving

1605
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 2: the athletic Basically, I have not been talking to as

1606
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: many fighters, but yeah, but I mean most of them,

1607
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: most of them I've talked to at some point in time,

1608
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 2: but just never had the chance to talk to Max now.

1609
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: Well, as it stands, this just seems to me like

1610
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: a rankings fight. Else, excuse me, Schnelle, I should say

1611
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: sitting at eight, Letchella Nicolau sitting at seven. So it's

1612
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,879
Speaker 1: seven versus eight here that that they make these matchups

1613
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: a lot. Nicolau is a good fighter and has good wins,

1614
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: although one of the best wins probably via split. He's

1615
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: been in the UFC since twenty fifteen, but has been

1616
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 1: like fairly inactive. He had one fight in twenty sixteen,

1617
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: one in twenty seventeen, one and twenty eighteen, a loss

1618
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: Wow twice in twenty nineteen, skip twenty twenty completely, and

1619
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: then in twenty twenty one. He's been on a real

1620
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: nice win streak. He beat my Nell Cop, he beat

1621
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: Tim Elliott, and he beat David Devorak in his last contest,

1622
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: all of them though by decision, and a guy like

1623
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: Matt Schnell is not that kind of guy. By the way.

1624
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: Nicolau has fought as high as Banaway. He's back to flyweight.

1625
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: Good fight, not nothing super special to say.

1626
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: Favor Who do you favor in that one?

1627
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: Man?

1628
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:50,799
Speaker 2: You like Schnell?

1629
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: I do like Schnell. Schnell's got a lot of ability.

1630
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: I yeah, I probably would take Schnell in that one. Yeah,

1631
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: probably probably. It's close. It's close, yep. All right. Now,

1632
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: on the on the Bellatoor side of things, you have

1633
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: Patricio Pitbull taking on Adam Borich. I love this fucking contest.

1634
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: At one forty five belatur to eighty six October first,

1635
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: Patricio Pitbull doing what I thought was impossible, getting his

1636
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: title back from aj McKee. Adam Borich had a fucking

1637
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: blood and guts fight against uh mattz Burnell and his

1638
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: last contest to get this. Dude, you gotta love this contest.

1639
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: People always talk about, like, where's the quality outside of

1640
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: the UFC? Them too, motherfucker's right there.

1641
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 2: And nobody talks about Borich. Man, they should be one

1642
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 2: of them said. Dude's like, I mean, he's like he's

1643
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: like that one loss to Colbo, right like, and otherwise

1644
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 2: he's just like he's must see theater man. I love

1645
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: watching that guy fight. He always brings it. So this

1646
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 2: is this could be his moment. I mean, honestly, I

1647
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't put it past him to do this thing and

1648
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 2: and and get this victory and suddenly change everything in

1649
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: that division. But I love watching that guy fight man.

1650
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: Last but not least, I touched on this very briefly.

1651
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: I think with Danny, I would love to get your opinion.

1652
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: But it's one of the fights that's been announced this week.

1653
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: AJ McKee, who, by the way, was wearing PFL shirts

1654
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: on a PFL broadcast, which is just like, I don't

1655
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: know what the fuck is happening there. Yeah, he's taking

1656
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: on Spike Carlisle, and now this is gonna be a

1657
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: belt or two eighty six at lightweight, so he's gonna

1658
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: go up a weight class. Here. Here's the thing. I

1659
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: don't love this fight. Now, when I say that, let

1660
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: me explain what I mean. Do I think it'll be

1661
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: an action fight. Spike Carlisle doesn't fight any other way.

1662
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: It's up a weight class, so you wouldn't want to

1663
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 1: throw Aj McKee to the wolves in that sense. Fair enough,

1664
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: but on paper, the difference in ability there, in terms

1665
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: of what they've shown is dramatic, dramatic difference in upside.

1666
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: Spike Carlisle is very athletic, but he takes a fucking

1667
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: ton of abuse. We'll see what McKee looks like at

1668
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: one fifty five, but this could be I'll say this,

1669
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: if McKee loses this, this is a real end sign.

1670
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 2: No, And I think that that's what they're I mean,

1671
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: I would I would think that that That's kind of

1672
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 2: how we're looking at this too. It's like, well, it's

1673
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,879
Speaker 2: a bounce back fight. Maybe doesn't have to kill himself,

1674
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, making the weight all that stuff, you know

1675
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it's a bounce back fight. He

1676
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 2: can get back in there. It's very difficult to know.

1677
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: Like I've had a lot of questions from people who

1678
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 2: are like, you know, he did he piss off you know, Bellator?

1679
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 2: He might just yeah, I mean, there's got to be

1680
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: some of that in play, right, especially when like not

1681
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 2: not only are you talking before you know, before his

1682
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: fight with with Pittbull, you know, you're talking about potential

1683
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: UFC fights, which is always bizarre to like for a

1684
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 2: guy to do that, but also, like you just mentioned,

1685
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 2: I didn't see this, but if he's wearing a PFL shirt,

1686
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it just seems like it just seems like

1687
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 2: there's some some acrimony there behind the scenes or something

1688
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 2: like that.

1689
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: Well, they didn't give him the toughest fight they could

1690
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: have given him. I mean again, you don't want to

1691
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: you don't want to be MMA. You know this, Like

1692
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: when Tim Sylvie was fighting Ray Mercer, I was like,

1693
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: poor Ray Mercer. I mean, old Tim's gonna be the

1694
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: g and then Ray Mercer just decked him that one time,

1695
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 1: and that fucker just felt like a you know, a

1696
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: big ass tree that.

1697
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,799
Speaker 2: Is, so you have the odds, you have the odds

1698
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,719
Speaker 2: on this one. I don't see the question.

1699
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: Let me see I do have.

1700
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 2: I was just curious as to what this would a

1701
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 2: j McKee though. I mean, like, dude, he's still I

1702
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 2: don't know how you feel about him, but I felt

1703
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 2: like he was kind of nearing that that true star

1704
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 2: status where you're like, man, it just felt compelling. Everything

1705
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 2: he was saying and everything he's doing, and you got

1706
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 2: to see how he bounces back. It's a it's kind

1707
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 2: of a he's still so young, his dad being who

1708
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: he is and all that stuff. I still believe in

1709
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 2: that guy.

1710
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't have odds up here. I'm looking at best

1711
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 1: fight odds, which is where I typically go to. They

1712
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 1: don't have him listed yet, but all right, all right, yeah,

1713
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll be a sizable favorite. Yes to put

1714
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: it mildly. All right, a few quick hitters here for

1715
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: topic number five. Just a few of them, and then

1716
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: we'll play a little game to close out the show.

1717
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: But topic number five, where are you on Clarissa's shields?

1718
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: Because accordingly she is going to be fighting on a

1719
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: PFL championship card in Nova. Now she I give her credit.

1720
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: I give her a lot of credit. She is trying

1721
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: a thing that most boxers won't. Now, of course, she's

1722
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: doing it because the economic incentives make sense for her

1723
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: in ways that they don't on the men's side. We

1724
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: should be very clear about that. But nevertheless, it is

1725
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: a difficult thing she is attempting to do in fighting

1726
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: MMA fighters who don't have obviously any of her boxing experience,

1727
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: oh maybe her athletic ability, but they've got a lot

1728
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: of MMA or jiu jitsu that can make life difficult

1729
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 1: for her. Here's my thing, Chuck, tell me if you're

1730
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: on the same level, which is I'll watch this. I

1731
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for Clarissa's shields, But if

1732
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: she's gonna be mostly boxing and then kind of moonlight

1733
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: in MMA, this is all it's ever gonna be.

1734
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that's how it feels. That's how it feels. It

1735
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 2: feels like cameoing, like she's just and it's still I'm

1736
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 2: still vastly intrigued, to be honest, But we were just

1737
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 2: talking about Jeff Neil. I think that they're just two

1738
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 2: different sports. I think if you're going to do MMA,

1739
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 2: you have to go you know, both feet right, you

1740
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: got to do it all. And I know she's got

1741
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 2: the name. I just don't know if it will translate

1742
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: that way. I appreciate if she's making good money doing it,

1743
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 2: go ahead and do it, you know, like it'd be

1744
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 2: like herschel Walker, almost like moonlighting, and like you, hey,

1745
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 2: go ahead and see what you can do. But she

1746
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: has a boxing match right like in September, so it's

1747
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 2: that that's always fun too, when they've got like two

1748
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 2: things on the horizon which you don't see in MMA strictly.

1749
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 2: So it's I'm intrigued with her in general.

1750
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: Man.

1751
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: I just I think I'll watch like whatever she tries

1752
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 2: to do. But I don't really have high expectations for

1753
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 2: her MMA career, you know what I mean, unless she

1754
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 2: really says like I'm going full fledged into that, which

1755
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: I don't really think she should. But if she did

1756
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm I you know, I don't have the highest expectations,

1757
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 2: but I'll still tune in. For sure.

1758
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 1: She has a fight against Savannah Marshall, which is gonna

1759
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 1: air on ESPN Plus. And for folks who may not

1760
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: know Marshall, I think beat her in the Amateurs. Now

1761
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: they've had different careers since then. Yeah, I suspect Shields

1762
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 1: will win. But something that can't remind her. Yeah, I

1763
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: mean that's sort of where I'm at. It's cool. I

1764
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I would love to see how well she

1765
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: could do prove us wrong, you know, But she just

1766
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 1: kind of is a boxer like hanging out in MMA.

1767
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: What story there, you know?

1768
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1769
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: All right? How about this. Connor McGregor set to make

1770
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: his acting debut alongside Jake Jillenhall in a remake of Roadhouse,

1771
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: and apparently McGregor's gonna have like more than just a

1772
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: hello kind of thing. He's gonna have a speaking role,

1773
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: apparently significant speaking role, and Jake Jonhall is gonna play

1774
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 1: a former UFC fighter you know, turned fucking shitty bouncer

1775
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: in the Roadhouse remake. Got to tell you, you know, this

1776
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: movie is gonna be doo dooo. I mean, it's gonna

1777
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: be the worst, but I'm probably gonna see it. What

1778
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: about you, Are you.

1779
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 2: A fan of the first one?

1780
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: I mean in the sense that like there's eighties nostalgia

1781
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,759
Speaker 1: Peyton don't hurt type bullshit.

1782
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, it was. It was fun in

1783
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 2: the day I watched it. It didn't hold up as well,

1784
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 2: but uh, I don't know, I don't know what to expect.

1785
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: This is the second time we've contemplated this, by the way,

1786
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 2: because Ronda Rawsey was cast in this, uh in some

1787
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 2: kind of role of a of a of a remake

1788
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 2: back in the day, like a few years ago, which

1789
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 2: never materialized. The only thing that's surprising about this is

1790
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: I remember Connor McGregor very distinctly saying he had no

1791
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 2: interest in acting, didn't want to mess with Hollywood. You

1792
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 2: know that he'd had offers, but he wasn't doing it.

1793
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 2: So obviously we've had a change of philosophy here, and

1794
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: there is a little bit of a curiosity like how

1795
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: he'll do, you know what I mean, Like, I guess

1796
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 2: I'll definitely be I like the first movie, if I'm

1797
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: being honest, man, But I'm like, I'll probably uh I'll

1798
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: probably go see it.

1799
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's gonna be bad. Let's just be

1800
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: very clear.

1801
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you just have to that has to be

1802
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 2: the expectation.

1803
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, i'll watch it. Have you ever

1804
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: watched the McGregor documentary. I can't bring myself to watch

1805
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,839
Speaker 1: documentaries about fighters whose careers I've covered.

1806
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 2: Yes, you have you seen it?

1807
01:20:59,760 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: No?

1808
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 2: Are you talking about the Notorious Son?

1809
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like it's on airplanes and you know I see

1810
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: it on No, I haven't seen that. I have not

1811
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: seen that. I'm told it's good, Like I'm not. I'm

1812
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: told it's good and by the way, good for listen.

1813
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: This is like to me, it's like, you know, you

1814
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: never want to overly be like, oh, because McGregor's in movies,

1815
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: he won't fight again or he won't fight well again.

1816
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: But it's almost like I'd almost rather see him do

1817
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: this stuff than the other stuff, sort of like, yeah,

1818
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: I feel like this to me, Like when I heard this,

1819
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that makes sense. You mean they're like.

1820
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: Like Whiskey Barn and all that stuff, Like.

1821
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, don't I don't mind that. Look, dude,

1822
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 1: this is where I always come back to with him,

1823
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know what is in his

1824
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 1: competitive heart. And Brian and I have kind of agreed that,

1825
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: like I do think that Connor has at least one

1826
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: like very good win left in him. Yeah, although that

1827
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: remains to be seen, but I do feel that way, yes,

1828
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 1: But like it's like, dude, you beat the game. You

1829
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: beat the game. You know, you made all the money

1830
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: in the world, you had the first to hold two

1831
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: titles at once you got in. I would actually like

1832
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: to see him get out because you know, these other

1833
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: guys who are in that way unfulfilled, they're way, way

1834
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: hungry or in due. This is the other part of

1835
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: the game, like when you began to like pay attention

1836
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: to the science of fighting and the way that I

1837
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: try it moves like that. It moves like that. You

1838
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: can take as much time off as he does. You

1839
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 1: are missing gobs of time you can't get back.

1840
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you nailed it. Like it once you

1841
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 2: kind of get to a certain set and we never

1842
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 2: seen anybody do this in MMA, by the way, you know,

1843
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: like a guy who is able to make whatever. I

1844
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: don't even know, because obviously a big portion of that

1845
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 2: came from the boxing event with Mayweather, but he was

1846
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 2: able to ascend into like the Forbes Top Athletes for

1847
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 2: years in a row and all that stuff which we

1848
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 2: just never see. I don't know. I mean, it's funny

1849
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: because I kind of side with you. I'm like, I

1850
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 2: don't really need to see him do too much more, honestly,

1851
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 2: like in this uh, in the space, in the fight

1852
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 2: in the fight world, I've seen enough. But do do

1853
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 2: we cling to it just because we remember, like so fondly,

1854
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: like the boom period when he was doing it? Like,

1855
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 2: I feel like people still want to match make him

1856
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 2: into all these different ways and throw his name out

1857
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: that people still call him out obviously because he's a

1858
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 2: money fight. But I feel like journalists, you know, like

1859
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 2: are they is the clinging to like the old magic?

1860
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 2: Is it just saying like yeah, but it was a

1861
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 2: lot more fun with him around. Let's get him back

1862
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 2: rolling again, you know what I mean? I feel like

1863
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 2: that's what people want. He's like the party, he shows up,

1864
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 2: the party starts type thing.

1865
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: And also people kind of treat fighting a little bit

1866
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: simplistically that like like you're a bartender and you've been

1867
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: off for vacation for a year and then you just

1868
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: get back to working a shift. Yeah, you know, I'm

1869
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,879
Speaker 1: not here to say, like, you know, being a bartender

1870
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: is easy. I don't think that. But like you can

1871
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: miss a couple of years and go back and get

1872
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: near your feet under you relatively quickly. Dude, fighting at

1873
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:59,799
Speaker 1: this level is not like that at all at all.

1874
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: Like there is a window where you can do it,

1875
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: and you have to marshal your athletic forces, your your

1876
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: psychological forces, your the things that are happening around you

1877
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: in your life and everything else. All of this has

1878
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: to be summoned. If you want to be fighting guys

1879
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: like Hamzat Chimayev, like Mattheus Gamrot, you know, you have

1880
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: to live a very very different way. And Connor beat

1881
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: all of it. He beat all of it, you know,

1882
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: in the most dramatic of way. It's like it's like, dude,

1883
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: you already won. It's almost gratuitous to keep doing this

1884
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: in a way, and I just you know, with the

1885
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: way the fight game's going, and like you know, it's

1886
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: he's a material man.

1887
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 2: Though he's a material man, he's gonna you know, he's

1888
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 2: still gonna take some of these fights for the for

1889
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 2: that for that money. So he's gonna see he's.

1890
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: Fair enough, which is part of the trade, which is

1891
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: part of the trade. And I will watch, you know,

1892
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 1: it's funny. I'm gonna I'm gonna a bit a bit

1893
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 1: of a teaser here. I interviewed w Camalbell, the comedian

1894
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: and author and the producer, and I asked him, are

1895
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: you a Connor fan or a Connor hater? And the

1896
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: conclusion that he came to was that he was a

1897
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: Connor cuss stomer. In the end, that's what we are.

1898
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 1: Connor customers, you know what I mean, We're Connor customers.

1899
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: That's just how it goes, including with Roadhouse all right. Last,

1900
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: but not least, Logan Paul looking to make a return

1901
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,799
Speaker 1: to boxing before the end of twenty two. We apparently

1902
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,600
Speaker 1: he told Pat mccafee, I'm a boxer again. Well, it

1903
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: doesn't quite work like that, but quote, we're getting back

1904
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: in the ring. We're going to go from professional sports

1905
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,520
Speaker 1: to professional sport. I want to get a fight in December.

1906
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: I have some people in mind, but I can't say.

1907
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: You know, you only get one first impression. That's part

1908
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: of my ability to make moments. I like making first

1909
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: impressions big so I want to wait until ready. I'll

1910
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: say this for this kid, I mean my level of

1911
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: interest in watching in boxes low. Yes, I will say this.

1912
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: Someone sent me some highlights. There's look at BC look

1913
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: at BC ah probably holding in the world's most disgusting

1914
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: fart imaginable. But someone sent me some highlights of Logan Paul.

1915
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: I guess it was like a sports center's Instagram doing

1916
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck he was doing at a recent ww

1917
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: event he was competing on. He actually looked to be

1918
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: pretty fucking good at it. Now, I don't know shit

1919
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: about professional wrestling, so if I'm wrong, by all means,

1920
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: people out there can dead wrong me or whatever. But

1921
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: I did see some potential there, which seems right because

1922
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: he is athletic, he does have a big mouth, and

1923
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 1: he knows how to use it and self market and

1924
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: comfortable in media roles. The boxing thing for me is

1925
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: like I I you know, I don't Yeah, I don't care.

1926
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I'm with you too, man. I just there's

1927
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 2: really there's really not a lot of interest on my

1928
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 2: from me on that. But I will say that both polls,

1929
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 2: it feels like whatever they try, and I give them

1930
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,440
Speaker 2: a ton of credit because whatever they try is fairly successful.

1931
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 2: They're they're pretty good at it. I did see the

1932
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 2: wrestling thing, and you know, the guy looked like he

1933
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 2: had been doing that. That's not an easy thing, even

1934
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 2: choreographed and you know, following what you're supposed to do,

1935
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 2: but to make it look you know, in the world

1936
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: of pro wrestling and as natural in that world as

1937
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 2: you're supposed to. He looked like he'd been there for years,

1938
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He was able to like

1939
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, like a frog splash. I don't know

1940
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 2: the actual terminology. But he went off the top rope

1941
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 2: outside and through a table, you know, all that stuff.

1942
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 2: Pretty pretty cool to see. I mean I don't really

1943
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 2: pay that close of attention, but I mean he's pretty

1944
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 2: seamless at these things, and so is Jake at just

1945
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: kind of like jumping into other areas and handling it.

1946
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: But I will say that my level of interest in

1947
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 2: his boxing career is pretty low as well. There's just

1948
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 2: really no Like obviously with Jake, there's a lot of intrigue,

1949
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 2: but it feels like that's more his terrain. I just

1950
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 2: don't have that same thing with Logan.

1951
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 1: God bless him. All Right, let's play our game and

1952
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: we'll end the show on this. It's time Chucklemanton Hall, Yes,

1953
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 1: Gay or sell. We think we have some graphics there

1954
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: we go, Yeah, we do. All right, we got ten

1955
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: of these. Are you buying or are you selling? Number one?

1956
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: The flyweight champion in twenty twenty three will not be

1957
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,520
Speaker 1: named Moreno or Figuredo.

1958
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 2: Oh shit, did you cut out? Say something again?

1959
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: Luke? The flyweight champion in twenty I'll gets you on

1960
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: the screen too. The flyweight champion in twenty twenty three

1961
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: will not be named Moreno or Figuredo. What do you

1962
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: think buying? Our selling?

1963
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 2: I am buying that. I am buying that. I'm going

1964
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 2: with my boy, ask Gerov. I was just mentioning this

1965
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 2: whole thing. I think that he leaps back into the

1966
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 2: picture and he's going to have it.

1967
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to sell that. I think it's

1968
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: gonna be one of the two. Yeah, yeah.

1969
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 2: Do you think Figuredo Figuraedo is gonna be able to

1970
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 2: get down to that weight again? That's the big concern, right,

1971
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 2: Like that's thet I don't know.

1972
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that part I don't know, But I think one

1973
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: of the two will be able to hold on to it.

1974
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 1: All right, Number two, buying or selling Sean O'Malley will

1975
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: be ranked inside the top seven after his fight with

1976
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: pyodor Yan. We didn't say he was gonna win. We

1977
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 1: didn't say he was gonna lose. Yeah, we just said

1978
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: he's gonna be ranked up there after his fight with yon.

1979
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 2: Ooh, I'm buying. You know why I'm buying because I

1980
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 2: think he's gonna beat Peter Young?

1981
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 1: Is that you out of your fucking mind? Do you

1982
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: really think he's.

1983
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 2: Gonna beat him? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think he's gonna

1984
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 2: beat him. This is sating. It just sets up and man,

1985
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes you have to look past the uh

1986
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: you know, just the yeah, the rankings, but not even

1987
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 2: just that, but even like all of the visual evidence

1988
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 2: and contexts and everything, you know, the styles, all of that.

1989
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 2: You have to then just look at the pattern of

1990
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 2: chaos that the UFC goes through like all the time.

1991
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 2: And I could just see this after a fight where

1992
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,879
Speaker 2: I think it was largely anti climatic with Paedri Munos,

1993
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 2: where now he gets this ridiculous upon nobody expected him

1994
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 2: to get in this big card out Nabu Dabi and

1995
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 2: then he goes in there and wins it. I could

1996
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 2: just see the scenario happening. That's all just a gut feeling.

1997
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 1: I'll say this to the point again, I wouldn't. When

1998
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: I saw Ray Mercer beat fucking Tim Sylvia, I was like,

1999
01:29:53,360 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: anything as possible, Yes, anything as possible. Sean O'Malley can

2000
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: beat Yon. I'll say this, Yon should not lose this fight.

2001
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: He should not lose this fight. I can agree with

2002
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:10,560
Speaker 1: you on that number three featherweight will have a USA

2003
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:16,719
Speaker 1: base champion before the end of twenty twenty four, meaning

2004
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 1: obviously Volkanowski, who is from Australia, would no longer be

2005
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: the champion in that case. Now that doesn't mean he

2006
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: loses it. He could give it away. Who the fuck's

2007
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: to say. But by the end of twenty twenty four,

2008
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,719
Speaker 1: and we're asking like two years in advancing or plus, sure,

2009
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: Volkanowski won't have it. Buying or selling.

2010
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 2: I am going to sell that.

2011
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I'm gonna buy it. But go ahead tell me,

2012
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:40,679
Speaker 1: why are you well?

2013
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sell it only because right this second and

2014
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 2: this is these are tough, man, because so much happens

2015
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: within a year given, and we're talking about twenty twenty

2016
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,600
Speaker 2: four that's a ways off. But I just think that

2017
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 2: Volkanowski is that good, you know, I feel like he's

2018
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 2: that good where it will So if if he loses

2019
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 2: or whatever happens, it might be because he bounced to

2020
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 2: lightweight and eventually he was just stripped of it or

2021
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 2: had to, you know, forfeit his belt, Like that's how

2022
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 2: it would happen. But I, honestly, I don't foresee that happening.

2023
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 2: So I think he retains it.

2024
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: See I'm gonna say he doesn't because he's thirty three now.

2025
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: He turns thirty four in September, so about a month

2026
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: away he turned a little bit more than that, like

2027
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 1: six weeks or so. He turns, seven weeks, he turns

2028
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: thirty four. Add another two and a half years to that.

2029
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about thirty six at that point.

2030
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,719
Speaker 1: That's hard to be a thirty six year old champion

2031
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 1: in this division.

2032
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 2: These are tough, man, We're forecasting all the way to

2033
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. These are tough.

2034
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, these are stupid, But that's why we played

2035
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: that game, all right. Number four, we go buying or selling,

2036
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: say we're gonna stick with Volkanovski Alexander Volkanowski will not

2037
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: compete at lightweight in twenty twenty three.

2038
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 2: Buying ourselves selling, I'm selling that, man, I think that.

2039
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 2: I mean, he's already like he's he wants to do

2040
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 2: this very bad that I think, like you mentioned his age, like,

2041
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 2: I think there's a point in time when you're like,

2042
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 2: you know what, man, I don't want to mess around

2043
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 2: too long. I want to go if I'm going to

2044
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 2: make history, I'm gonna do these things. I want to

2045
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 2: do it now. And he's at the top of his game.

2046
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 2: I think for sure he's he's he's headed the lightweight

2047
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 2: at some sometime, at some point very soon, I would agree.

2048
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think there's probably at least

2049
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 1: one lightweight fight in that year. Okay, yeah. Number five

2050
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: Kamaru Usman will stay at one seventy for the rest

2051
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: of his career. A UFC career, UFC career buyinger selling, I'm.

2052
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 2: Gonna buy this. I'm gonna buy this because I feel

2053
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: like he's, what does he have like five defenses right now,

2054
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 2: like he's he's been doing very well, like and he's

2055
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 2: starting to enter that goat conversation in that division, which

2056
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 2: had a goat in the sport and you know, just

2057
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 2: an all time UFC fighter and George Saint Pierre. I

2058
01:32:56,160 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 2: think that he'll want to break that if he potentially can,

2059
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 2: and to do that, he's gonna have to stay there.

2060
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 2: And but at the end of that run, I think

2061
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 2: that he would be fairly fairly through the game. To

2062
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 2: be honest, I don't know who else would be left

2063
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 2: for him, and in his age and all that stuff.

2064
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say he's going to stay there and

2065
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 2: he's going to try to get that record.

2066
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna do it almost exclusively like Saint

2067
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 1: Pierre did, and then try and get one last one.

2068
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:23,560
Speaker 2: I can see that. I could see this, you know

2069
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 2: what I mean?

2070
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, number six, we will see Izzy fight Pareida. Oh,

2071
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: at least twice in the UFC. Now, of course they've

2072
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: already thought twice in kickboxing, but we're talking about two

2073
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 1: times in the UFC. Buying our selling, I'm gonna buy this, yes,

2074
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: oh go ahead, Yeah, I'm.

2075
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Gonna buy this, only because I feel like they've now

2076
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 2: tapped into this natural rivalry and obviously is he is

2077
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 2: bothered by this whole thing. Now, it doesn't necessarily have

2078
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 2: to be predicated on whether or not Alex Padetta wins

2079
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 2: this fight, although that would be huge. If he wins

2080
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 2: this fight, obviously we're going to see it again. But

2081
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 2: even if he puts up a very good showing and

2082
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 2: throws doubt into the thing, makes it a competitive fight

2083
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, which I think he will. I

2084
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 2: think that the storylines would be there, regardless if it's

2085
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 2: in a year's time or whenever it will happen. I

2086
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 2: think that they'd see each other again.

2087
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 1: I agree completely, all right. Number seven, the light heavyweight

2088
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: title will not be defended more than twice by the

2089
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: same person in the next three year. So I understand

2090
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: that they could win the title and defend it two times,

2091
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: but never more than that over the next three years.

2092
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: Buying ourselves.

2093
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 2: No, I'm buying that it will not. I feel like

2094
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,600
Speaker 2: now it's a musical chairs thing up there, man, and

2095
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 2: in any given night, a lot of those guys. I

2096
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 2: feel like anybody could beat the other guy within that

2097
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 2: top space. It's now that John Jones is out of

2098
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 2: there right like he's no longer the landlord of that division.

2099
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 2: I feel like you're going to have a lot of

2100
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 2: guys changing hands. I feel it's going to be like

2101
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 2: it used to be back in the day when it

2102
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 2: was just a hot potato. I mean, and there's no

2103
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 2: one guy coming up, like when John Jones'll come up

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Speaker 2: be like that might stay with him for a long time.

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01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 2: There's no one guy is there like that. You see.

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01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 2: That's like he's going to get it and he's not

2107
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 2: gonna let it go.

2108
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 1: No, I don't see that. I see. You could maybe

2109
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: argue on Calive. On Calive is about as close as

2110
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,600
Speaker 1: that you come with that, But even then he is not.

2111
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: It's just hard for me to see, like, well, on

2112
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: Calive is the only one you could maybe say that,

2113
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: I would agree that he's. Yeah, if anybody's going to

2114
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: do it, be him, I think. All right. Number eight

2115
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 1: Francis Andnganu and Tyson Fury will begin contract negotiations before

2116
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: the halfway point of twenty twenty three, buying or selling.

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01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm buying that, Yes, I'm buying that completely.

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01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah it's good. I mean, come on, man, it's a

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01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 2: big payday. We've seen this and uh yeah, I'm buying

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01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 2: that one hundred percent.

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01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: All right. Number nine Rose Nami Unis will retain the

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01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 1: strawweight title. Let's say through the end of twenty twenty three.

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01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 2: Oh man, So yes, I'm gonna buy that. And this

2124
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 2: is one of those weird like oral boros things where

2125
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 2: it's like one person can beat this person when we

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01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 2: beat that person, I think that Carlos Sparza will drop

2127
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 2: the title at some point because this is the kryptonite

2128
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 2: of nommunis. And then Rose Nammunas will then beat that

2129
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 2: person and regain her title.

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01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: Agreed, all right? And then last but not least, they

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01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 1: put pound for pound here, but I guess we mean well,

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01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 1: I guess you could say pound for pound or goat

2133
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. Valentina Chevchenko will not pass Amanda Nunez on

2134
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 1: whatever list you have. Most people would obviously will do

2135
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: as being double champ and having the wins over Chevchenko,

2136
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 1: they would rank her above Chevchenko. That will not change

2137
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 1: right until Amanda Nunez retires. In other words, as long

2138
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 1: as she's active, there won't There will always be this

2139
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: same valel.

2140
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 2: And that's a toughie, but I will buy that. I

2141
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 2: will buy that by that too. Yeah, I think just

2142
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 2: because you know they have fought and I think they

2143
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 2: will probably fight again, and who knows what happens there.

2144
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,759
Speaker 2: But I think that Nunez right now, that's Manto. Especially

2145
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 2: after what she just did the paina and showed like

2146
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 2: the you know who she is again all that stuff,

2147
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 2: she kind of reinforced it. I think that she stays

2148
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 2: there all.

2149
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: Right, and that Ladies and Gentlemen is a show well done. Charles.

2150
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 1: You know, we started out with my earbuds fucking the

2151
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 1: world up, but we ended on a strong note. I

2152
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: feel like, hey, you.

2153
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 2: Always recover you, you recover well. All the time.

2154
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: I got a crazy I didn't want to say anything.

2155
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: I was distracted. I got a crazy ass text message

2156
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: from someone inside of MMA, a manager, in the middle

2157
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 1: of my the middle of the show, so now I

2158
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 1: have to go and deal with that man. In fact, fun,

2159
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna be real fun. Now it's okay. What is

2160
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:41,679
Speaker 1: going on with you this weekend? I don't know. Obviously

2161
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: we have the fights tomorrow, PFL tonight. You're gonna anything

2162
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: with the fan?

2163
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 2: Uh No, Actually it's one of those quiet weekends. Probably

2164
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 2: just watch the UFC's I actually contemplated going because it's

2165
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:51,839
Speaker 2: not too far obviously to go down to the PFL,

2166
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 2: but there's just a there's there's too many like things.

2167
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,679
Speaker 2: Who've gotta you know, get through uh to make that happen.

2168
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 2: So I'll be watching all the fights and land Low

2169
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:00,719
Speaker 2: this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Man. Well, my wife and I were supposed to be

2171
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 1: in New York City today because tomorrow was supposed to

2172
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 1: be the Jake Paul fight, and so we had planned

2173
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: to go up there, and then when the fight fell through,

2174
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: we couldn't get a babysitter to do anything this weekend.

2175
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm doing this weekend. I'm gonna be

2176
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: you know, no, no, it's cool. I'm gonna take my

2177
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 1: into the pool. Yeah, it'd be good. I like doing

2178
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: get a picture of her sleeping. I love those ones.

2179
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 2: That's series that you did.

2180
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 1: There was like a two year period of my daughter's

2181
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: life where I'd be like, all right, we're gonna go

2182
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:31,600
Speaker 1: do something fun, something different, And the first thing you

2183
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: do whenever we go there is just fall the the

2184
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: greatest you know kids. Uh, let's see when to remind

2185
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: everyone our socials below you can take a look there

2186
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:41,719
Speaker 1: to put the graphics. You can follow the great Chuckmanton

2187
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: Hall on Instagram. On Twitter, you can follow Morning Combat

2188
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: and me as well. BC will be back on Monday.

2189
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 1: Yes he will, so we'll talk to him. Then. Showtime

2190
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: dot Com is the label that pays you get a

2191
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: Showtime dot Com get a thirty day free trial.

2192
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 2: You can.

2193
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 1: If you like it, you can keep it. If not,

2194
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 1: you can bounce. Want to remind everyone World MMA Awards,

2195
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 1: World Awards. Put that QR code up there, and again

2196
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 1: if you're if you're watching on YouTube, you can just

2197
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 1: put your phone up to there, or if you're listening

2198
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: on the audio side, World MMA Awards dot Com slash nominees,

2199
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 1: so it's plural there on Awards and nominees. And then

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01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 1: Mornancombat dot Store, go get your loved repeat baby, Yeah,

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01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. You know I hate the word

2202
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 1: repeat though, or at least I'm always I always, I'm

2203
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 1: always like, uh, I'd never use it. So this is

2204
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 1: a this is a pet peeve of mine. I'll end

2205
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: the show on this is a pet peeve of mine

2206
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: in the in the line of work that I did

2207
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 1: in the military. One of the things because I did

2208
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 1: what's called call for fire missions in artillery, so I

2209
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 1: was positioned, let's say, twenty thirty miles away from the cannons.

2210
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 1: They obviously can't see what they're firing at, so they're

2211
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 1: relying on you to tell them what they're firing at,

2212
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: what kind of charge, all different, all different manner of

2213
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: things to tell them what to fire. And the command

2214
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 1: to repeat is a very specific command. It would basically

2215
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: mean just unload the fucking canons on them. Okay, So

2216
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: you would never say that unless, like, under a very

2217
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: specific circumstance, if you need someone to repeat what they

2218
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: were saying, you say say again. So if you're ever

2219
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:14,600
Speaker 1: watching a military movie and someone's on the phone or

2220
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: the hooks or the cingar and they're saying, repeat that, bitch, No,

2221
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 1: the military consultant fucked it all up, you would never

2222
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 1: say I repeat, You would never ever say it. So

2223
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: I always always say again.

2224
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 2: I say all right, well listen, how about this hashtag?

2225
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 2: Back to back baby, here we go, Yes, back to

2226
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 2: fucking back?

2227
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: All right? Say again? Yes, it is my birthday today? Yes?

2228
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 2: Is it really?

2229
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:43,599
Speaker 1: Yes, it's my birthday today.

2230
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 2: I'm old as shit birthday brother.

2231
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: Look at that.

2232
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 2: I get to spend part of your birthday with you.

2233
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Yeah, that's right. The least interesting part

2234
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:54,719
Speaker 1: of it, I'm teasing. I'm teasing. Yes, it is my birthday.

2235
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm not an old piece of shit today. So there

2236
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 1: you have it, all right, Charles, I will see you soon,

2237
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 1: my friend, great jab as always there it is. Oh

2238
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:04,639
Speaker 1: what a nice little graphic. I appreciate that, very very

2239
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 1: kind of you. Thank you very much for all the

2240
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 1: well wishes and all that good stuff. And I'm falling apart.

2241
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 1: I don't know how many years on this planet I

2242
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:14,679
Speaker 1: have left, but I plan to spend them doing things

2243
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 1: like MK. So there you go.

2244
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 2: If it was by or Sell, I would uh, I

2245
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 2: would say, I would. I would buy that you have

2246
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 2: at least ten years left. I would buy.

2247
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would probably going to I'm probably going to

2248
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: buy the farm pretty soon based on the way that

2249
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: I feel. But we'll figure that out at a different time,

2250
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 1: all right. For the Great Charles, Chuck Iceman, menden Haul,

2251
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 1: the Man in the Hat for BC, Who's back on Monday?

2252
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:37,759
Speaker 1: For Malka, for CBS, for Showtime. I'm Luke Thomas. Enjoyed

2253
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:39,759
Speaker 1: the fights this weekend. We'll talk to you all on Monday,

2254
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal