1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Let me bring in Ben Pickman. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: He is covering the situation WNBA reporter for The Athletic. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: Before I get to you, Ben, I want to play 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: Nofisia Callier had. Now, this is just a portion of 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: what she had to say about the WNBA commissioner, Kathy 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: Engelbert at. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 3: Unrivaled this past February. I sat a across from Kathy 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 3: and asked how she planned to address the officiating issues 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: in our league. Her response was, will only the losers 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: complain about the refs? I also asked how she planned 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: to fix the fact that players like Caitlin Angel and Page, 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: who are clearly driving massive revenue for the league, are 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: making so little for their first four years. Her response was, 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: Caitlyn should be grateful she makes sixty million off the court, 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: because without the platform that the WBA gives her, she 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 3: wouldn't make anything. And in that same conversation, she told 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: me players should be on their knees thanking their lucky 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: stars for the media. 20 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 4: Righte steal that I got them? 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 5: Well, well, well, Ben pick it up from there. 22 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, you could have picked any number of sound bites 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 6: I mean, think about any other player in any other 24 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 6: sport doing what Nefisa Collier did. I mean, this is 25 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 6: a potentially seminal moment in WNBA history. I just want 26 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 6: to know how your production crew Dan decided on those 27 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 6: clips and not the clip of you know, Nafisa Collier's 28 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 6: saying that right now, the WNBA has the worst leadership 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 6: in the world. I mean, this was four minutes of 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 6: just going scorched earth and frankly telling a lot of 31 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 6: things that seemingly a lot of players, a lot of executives, 32 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 6: a lot of people around the league team wise. 33 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 5: Tend to agree with. Do you agree with her? 34 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 6: I mean, I think there's certainly a lot of valid 35 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 6: criticism in what she said. I'm not going to go 36 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 6: so far to say that Kathy Engelbert is part of 37 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 6: the worst leadership in the world, but I think a 38 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 6: lot of what she said is a lot of what 39 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 6: you know, someone like me here is in private. I mean, 40 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 6: my phone was blowing up Tuesday from you know, the 41 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 6: moment that Nafisa Collier's comments finished, with a lot of 42 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 6: people really commending her for saying the quiet part out loud, 43 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 6: and I Fisakllier did say this in her own comments 44 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 6: that you know, I'm not going to keep things private anymore. 45 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 6: She's calling for accountability, transparency, not just on officiating but 46 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 6: on broader league wide matters too. 47 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: But they have added five teams. I mean, you know 48 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: that let's look at both sides here, because the commissioner 49 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: has done some good things, but this is negotiations and 50 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: that's where it's a war, and this is one of 51 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: the most This might be the most important moment in 52 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: WNBA history as we move forward. 53 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's important to call that out because since Kathy 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 6: Engelbert has been the commissioner, it's around six years now. 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 6: At this point, a lot has changed in the WNBA. 56 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 6: I mean, Kathy Engelbert used to say that the WNBA 57 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 6: was in an existential moment. 58 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 5: That was the word that she used. 59 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 6: In twenty twenty there was a potential that if they 60 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 6: didn't play a bubble season, would the league even exist? 61 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 6: And so a lot has changed since then. Just look 62 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 6: at recent years. A fifty million dollar expansion fee for 63 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 6: the Golden State Valkyries in Septembumber twenty twenty three, that 64 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 6: was two fifty million this summer. I mean, that is 65 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 6: crazy growth. The New York Liberty a four hundred and 66 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 6: fifty million dollar valuation this summer. That is all under 67 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 6: Kathy Engelbert's watch. But what Nafisa Kalier is also saying 68 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 6: is the players are really driving that. I mean, that 69 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 6: is what we heard or what you can hear when 70 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 6: she retells that story involving Caitlyn Clark, Like that is 71 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 6: a clear story of hitting the players against management. And yes, 72 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 6: this is a really intense negotiation. And you know these 73 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 6: comments are not going to do anything to put less 74 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 6: fuel on the fire of anything. It's going to explode 75 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 6: from here on out. 76 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark's WNBA salary was seventy eight thousand. Yeah, so 77 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: it's slotted that she's going to make seventy eight thousand. Yes, 78 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: she makes all that money off the court. But should 79 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark be grateful that she makes sixteen million dollars 80 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: off the court? According to the commissioner through Nafisia Collier, Yeah. 81 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 6: I mean we should say. The commissioner said she was 82 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 6: disheartened by the characterization of those comments, and this was 83 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 6: an a Fisa Collier relaying them. But I mean, think 84 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 6: about that kind of tactical move or that decision to 85 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 6: include Caitlin Clark in this conversation, and we should say 86 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 6: Nefisa Callier and Kitlin Clark they shared the same agent, right, 87 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 6: So I don't think it's a coincidence that both of 88 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 6: those players, or that Caitlin Clark's name rather was mentioned 89 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 6: in this four and a half minute statement by Nafisa Kalier, 90 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 6: like there is a knowledge know how going on there. 91 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 6: Caitlin Clark obviously super super important to the league. And 92 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 6: one of the questions that you know, I was fielding 93 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 6: yesterday was yes, Kathy Engelbert is you know, has been 94 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 6: the commissioner over this period of growth. But if you 95 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 6: look at the next fifteen years of the league, Dan, 96 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 6: who is more important to the health the growth of 97 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 6: the league? Kathy Engelbert if she's around that long, or 98 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 6: Kitlyn Clark. I think the answer there is is pretty clear. 99 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: Well, does Caitlin Clark need the WNBA more than the 100 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: WNBA needs Caitlyn Clark. 101 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 6: I mean that is another big question. I feel like 102 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 6: you could write books and articles and fund articles. Certainly 103 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 6: Caitlin Clark is worth you know, millions, if not. You know, 104 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 6: I did a story earlier this season, she could be 105 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 6: worked up to a billion dollars. Some people told me 106 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 6: two women's sports more generally, and so yeah, I mean, 107 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 6: Caitlin Clark's certainly a big driver in the broader WNBA 108 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 6: revenue conversation, the change of the business right. 109 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: And the commissioner responded, I'm not going to read the 110 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: whole statement, but she was complimentary to Nofisia Collier, who's 111 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 2: a very bright woman. You know, started the unrivaled league. 112 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: It's a side league, not a competing league. But where 113 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: does this go from here? 114 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 5: Where does it go? That is a great question. 115 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 6: I mean, as you mentioned, the league and the players 116 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 6: are in this contentious CBA negotiation. The deal currently expires 117 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 6: October thirty. First, we'll see if they reach an extension 118 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 6: or if you know, there is a work stoppage, whether 119 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 6: it is just in the off season or down the line. 120 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 6: May twenty twenty six is when the twenty twenty sixth 121 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 6: season would begin, So we will see where things go. 122 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 6: I think the tensions have only heightened from here on that. 123 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 6: How could they not knowing that a FISA klier said 124 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 6: what she said, knowing that so many players have supported her, 125 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 6: knowing that now there's so many more eyeballs on the 126 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 6: WNBA and what is going on because of her comments 127 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 6: like that is what is so fascinating about this really remarkable, 128 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 6: remarkable for a minute statement than a FISA Collier gave 129 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 6: on Tuesday. 130 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: There's only a certain piece of the pie available here, 131 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: Ben that I know. We look at leagues and we 132 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: go they should be paid more. Well, this it comes 133 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: down to math. It's just it's that amount of money 134 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: that's available. We split it up and that's what everybody 135 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: is going to share it. Now you're adding five new franchises, 136 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: so now that piece of the pie gets carved up 137 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: a little bit more. And they did sign what eleven year, 138 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: two billion dollar, two point two billion dollar TV deal. 139 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: There's a lot of progress here. I'm just I worry. 140 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: I thought that they tripped themselves up with the Caitlin 141 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: Clark situation. Nobody knew how to deal with her. Officials 142 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: didn't be, you know, the opposite position other players. 143 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 5: They weren't all in on her. 144 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: Hey, we've got Diana Tarazzi and all the people who 145 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: started the league. I still don't know if they know 146 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: how to handle Caitlin Clark moving forward, because she is 147 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: different than anybody else in the sport. 148 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, she definitely is. But I want to 149 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 6: go back to your point on splitting the pie because 150 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 6: I think it's really important here because what makes the 151 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 6: WNBA so unique in this context is that also it 152 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 6: is owned by the NBA that Kathy Engelbert reports up 153 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 6: to Adam Silver, Right, So there are other stakeholders here 154 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 6: other than just WNBA owners who are important in this conversation. 155 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: Right. 156 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 6: So it's not just what do the owners of the 157 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 6: WNBA think, because even that phrase owners of the WNBA 158 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 6: is a really muddled phrase. 159 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 7: Right. 160 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 6: You have a number of franchises that are owned by 161 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 6: the same people that also own NBA teams. Forty two 162 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 6: percent of the league is owned by the NBA, for instance, 163 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 6: forty two percent is owned by WNBA owners. But in 164 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 6: that forty two percent, well, there's some people who are 165 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 6: in both pots here, right, and then there is another 166 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 6: pot of sixteen that also includes some people who are 167 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 6: in both of those other pots. That is what makes 168 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 6: the WNBA's situation about how to proceed, whether it relates 169 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 6: to Kathy Engelbert and her job status, whether it relates 170 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 6: to the CBA. That's part of what makes it so tricky, 171 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 6: so unique is there are so many stakeholders in this 172 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 6: conversation that the league is in a really tough spot, 173 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 6: and that's why we're in this very complicated mess that 174 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 6: we are in. 175 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: ESPN reported over the weekend that WNBA data doesn't show 176 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: a correlation between recent playoff injuries and missed calls by officials. 177 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: Nafisia Collier, one of the great players in the game, 178 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: called the claim quote an insult to my intelligence, honestly. 179 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: Caller also asked the commissioner about how the league planned 180 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: to address officiating, and according to Collier, the commissioner said, 181 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: only the losers complain about the reps. 182 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 7: Also strong, Yeah, that's wrong. 183 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: Yes, but not correct because some of the biggest complainers 184 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: in the history of the NBA, or Michael Jordan and 185 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: Larry Bird and great players complain about officiating as well, 186 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: not losers. 187 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. 188 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 6: And I think one of the things that is so 189 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 6: interesting or that everyone is tracking is these claims or 190 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 6: these calls about officiating. 191 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 5: They're not new, right. 192 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 6: I wrote a story two years ago at the start 193 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 6: of the WNBA Finals all about coaches and executives and 194 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 6: players talking about inconsistent officiating, and going back to that 195 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 6: point that I was just making on NBA and WNBA ownership, 196 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 6: Several people around the league, coaches, executives, they point to 197 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 6: high yearly turnover that multiple WNB officials move out of 198 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 6: the league and into the NBA literally from twenty eighteen 199 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 6: to twenty twenty two. In NBA official press releases, they 200 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 6: would use the word promotes as it relates to people 201 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 6: moving from the WNBA, that is officials, to the NBA. Right, 202 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 6: and so there are questions again systemic questions about how 203 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 6: much are officials paid, how are they trained, how are 204 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 6: they reviewed? 205 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: But is it slanted ben they are they calling different? 206 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: Are they seeing something different for certain players and not others? 207 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: Are they just not great at their jobs? 208 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 6: I mean it's hard for me, the layperson to say, 209 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 6: you know, how correct or incorrect is an official's assessment 210 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 6: of it. 211 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 2: But they do grade them. They get graded, just like 212 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: NBA officials. I don't know if they're not calling enough 213 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: for Kaitlyn Clark or they're calling too much for it, 214 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: does she get preferential? I mean it feels like everything 215 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: circles back to Caitlin Clark. 216 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 6: I mean I think actually on this officiating conversation though, Dan, like, 217 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 6: this is a conversation that has been going on for 218 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 6: a number of years. I think Caitlyn Clark, like so 219 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 6: many other topics, her presence in the league has brought 220 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 6: more eyeballs to the topic of officiating. But you talk 221 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 6: to people like, these frustrations are frustrations that have been 222 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 6: held for a number of years the league. As you're 223 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 6: saying and you're asking, they're saying that, you know, our 224 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 6: officials are excellent, that they gray out incredibly well, that 225 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 6: we don't have the same kind of problem that so 226 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 6: many people say. But what Nafisa Collier and what others 227 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 6: have said is, you know, the first step in what 228 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 6: fixing a problem is acknowledging you have a problem in 229 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 6: the first place. Like that was another, you know, clear 230 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 6: sentiment that she tried to voice throughout her opening statement 231 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 6: at her exit interview. 232 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 5: Great stuff, Ben, thanks for joining us, we'll be reading. 233 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 6: Thanks at for having me. 234 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 5: That's Ben Pickman, wmba reporter for The Athletic. 235 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 236 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 237 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 238 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 8: Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning 239 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 8: on my podcast, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 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He won three Super 248 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: Bowls with the Broncos and he called the Patriots Panthers 249 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: game in Week four and guess what as a reward 250 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: he gets the Dolphins in the Panthers coming up this 251 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: weekend at one o'clock Sunday on Fox. 252 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 5: Mark joins us on the program. 253 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: You know you've gotten to that grumpy old man age 254 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: where you can say what you want to. So here's 255 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: your platform. What's the topic today that is really bothering you. 256 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 7: Overtime? Like listen to fans. You guys did it? 257 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 9: You guys asked for this, right forty to forty game, 258 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 9: we don't get a winner, we don't get a victory. 259 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 7: We don't get victory. What was wrong with sudden death? 260 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 7: There was nothing wrong with sudden debts, sudden depth. It's 261 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 7: it's sudden and it's death. You're over. 262 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 9: Like that makes sense to me. Playing to a forty 263 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 9: to forty tie makes zero sense to me. And by 264 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 9: the way, I've sat in a bunch of meetings twelve 265 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 9: years I played this league. 266 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 7: I sat in meetings, I heard it every week. Hey, 267 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 7: it's three things of the game. 268 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 9: It's special teams, it's offense, and it's defense. Your defense 269 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 9: had an opportunity to stop the opponent's quarterback. But no, 270 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 9: you know what happened. Josh Allen didn't get the ball. 271 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 9: And that's not fair and we want to be fair. 272 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 9: And it's not fair. Like did your parenting your parents? 273 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 9: Did they ever parent you? Did they ever say to you, hey, man, 274 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 9: life ain't fair. Did you not get parented? 275 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 7: And now this is what we have to live with ties. 276 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 7: I hate it, Dan, and I hate it. 277 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: Okay, if you're in a game and you get to 278 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: overtime and you lose in sudden death, like would you 279 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: are you better at accepting a loss in sudden death 280 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,119 Speaker 2: overtime than a tie in overtime. 281 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 9: I'm good with whatever, because we had sixty minutes to 282 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 9: win this football game, and we didn't get it done 283 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 9: in sixty minutes. And I'll deal with the consequences of that. 284 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 9: I just I hate playing an extra ten minutes and 285 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 9: then nothing is sold, nothing is satisfied to me, and 286 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 9: then so I just it just bothers me. The whole 287 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 9: thing bothers me. And the thing that bothers me is 288 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 9: the way the NFL operates. Right, we listen to a 289 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 9: bunch of people whine about things right and so and then, 290 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 9: and most of the people that whind don't even like 291 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 9: the game, Like why do we as a league, why 292 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 9: do we basically cowtow to people who. 293 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 7: Don't even like our game? Screw them. 294 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 9: It's the greatest game in the world. If you don't 295 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 9: like it, tough, I don't care. So that part of 296 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 9: that part, to me, I don't understand. I mean, I 297 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 9: guess I understand it. You're trying to get more and 298 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 9: more people involved in the game, and I get that 299 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 9: part of it, but I just I don't like to 300 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 9: make excuses for it. And I don't like people who 301 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 9: don't like our game, who complained about it that we 302 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 9: try to satisfy. 303 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 7: I like, screw those people. 304 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: Are you more bothered by overtime or the Broncos uniforms 305 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: that they trotted out on Monday Night? 306 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 9: I like, hey, man, I'm old school, Like I liked 307 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 9: Pat Patriot, Like did you see the Patriots in the 308 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 9: game against Pittsburgh, you know, with the old pat Patriot 309 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 9: on the helmet and that I think. 310 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 7: I love that. 311 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 9: I love the old school. I wish they'd go back 312 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 9: to that Bronco uniform would. 313 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 7: Be you know, the horse breathing fire out of snows, Like. 314 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 9: I wish they would go back to all that stuff 315 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 9: because I think those uniforms are just absolutely classic. 316 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 7: They're awesome. And yeah, they all blues. 317 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 9: I could do without the all blues, but I hate 318 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 9: it mostly because when we went to all blues when 319 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 9: I played for the Broncos. One, the pants for whatever reason, 320 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 9: the pants were super tight, Like I didn't like that. 321 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 9: And two two you look like a upa lumpa like 322 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 9: you just look like a big, giantly blueberry, and. 323 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 7: Uh, I was concientious. Hey, I looked at my other 324 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 7: offensive liga. Does this uniform make me look sad? 325 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 9: You know. 326 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: We're talking to Mark Schlareth. You will find him an 327 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: NFL Fox analyst. Panthers Patriots Week four and now you've 328 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: got the Dolphins and the Panthers. 329 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 5: Wow. 330 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 9: Turns it turns out that I am the official broadcaster 331 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 9: of the NFC South. I don't know who's cheery as 332 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 9: I pissed in to get the Panthers every weekend. 333 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 5: They are, Uh they are. 334 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 9: Don't tell anybody I said that they are a bad 335 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 9: football team. 336 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I saw this headline and I knew you were 337 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: going to call the game. H Bryce Young is not 338 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: a bust? The Panthers are? 339 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 5: Is that? Is that a fair headline? 340 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 7: Well? I think so. You know we put up in 341 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 7: the broadcast end of the day. 342 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 9: I mean they had both Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold 343 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 9: in their organization and said see you and you know what, 344 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 9: you get some good coaching. Sam Donald actually turns down 345 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 9: this is Sam Donald's a great story, because Sam, they're 346 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 9: both great stories. Sam Donald turns down other opportunities to 347 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 9: potentially go in and be a starter, and he decides, 348 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 9: I'm going to go to San Francisco and get coached 349 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 9: by Kyle Shanahan and. 350 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 7: Learn how to play NFL football. That's what happened. 351 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 9: And then he goes to Minnesota and Kyle Shannan told 352 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 9: me he goes. Listen, he gets to the Jets, right, 353 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 9: bad organization gets to the Jets and they try to 354 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 9: put him in the Peyton Manning offense. He goes, there's 355 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 9: one guy they can run the Peyton Manning offense. That's 356 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 9: Peyton Manning, right, So he fails there. Then he goes 357 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 9: to Matt Rule in the Carolina Panthers and they're running 358 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 9: some college So the first time that this guy has 359 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 9: ever gotten into a true progression offense in reality is 360 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 9: in San Francisco, and so he learned basically NFL football. 361 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 9: He's year four in the league and at one point, 362 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 9: Baker Mayfield, we put a picture of a couple of 363 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 9: a different broadcasts at Tampa broadcast I did last year 364 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 9: where he is actually a scout team defensive end for 365 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 9: the Carolina Panthers and they didn't like they cut him. 366 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 9: And then he signs on in with the Rams and 367 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 9: plays there for a few weeks as that. I think 368 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 9: it was a Christmas Day game against the Broncos where 369 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 9: he hangs fifty on them after being in the facility 370 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 9: for three days, and and you know he goes on 371 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 9: to play great football. 372 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 7: So I don't know what Bryce Young is yet. 373 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 9: I think he's I mean, he's small, he's diminutive, but 374 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 9: you know he gonna operate an offense. And I've seen 375 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 9: growth because I'm because i'm the official broadcast of the 376 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 9: Carolina Panthers, I've seen some growth. 377 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 7: But but Dan, like I think. 378 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 9: The wide receivers, I think wide receivers are a completely 379 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 9: dependent position. 380 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 7: They're they're like children. 381 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 9: One they're dependent, right, ten other guys had to do 382 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 9: their job for them to sniff a football, and then 383 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 9: you know they're they're like toddlers. They whine and they 384 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 9: cry and they bitch a lot if they don't get fed. 385 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 7: Like that's who wide receivers are. They're just like toddlers. 386 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 9: And so ultimately, ultimately, there is not very much talent 387 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 9: on this football team. And so if you're a great quarterback, 388 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 9: you take you know, fair to midland wide receivers and 389 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 9: you can create a great offense around that. 390 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 7: If you're a. 391 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 9: Quarterback trying to figure it out, you've got to surround 392 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 9: that guy with some opportunity, some people who can actually 393 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 9: excel get opening one on one and going into last week, 394 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 9: Tedoro McMillan had two hundred and sixteen yards receiving. All 395 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 9: the other wide receivers combined had a one hundred and 396 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 9: forty one through three games. It's just they just don't 397 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 9: I mean, they're just not very good that way, that 398 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 9: talent wise. So again, I just don't know. Do I 399 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 9: think he's a franchise quarterback. No, But do I think 400 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 9: you can win with Bryce Young if you put enough 401 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 9: people around him, in pieces around him, I think you 402 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 9: probably could help me understand the Eagles situation. 403 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: It feels like every week there's something. Every week there's something. 404 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: You know, we started out with spitgate with Jalen Carter 405 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 2: to start the year. Now you know, you got aj 406 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: Brown with a cryptic tweet that he puts out and 407 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: then I mean, they don't throw the ball a lot, 408 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: but if they when they do throw it, I think 409 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: he's targeted a little over thirty percent of the time. 410 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: So they're good numbers. You're winning, you're undefeated, you won 411 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Help me understand the Philadelphia Eagles. 412 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 7: I can't. I don't understand. I don't come from that world. 413 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 9: I don't come from that world where I'm not getting 414 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 9: enough shine. 415 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 7: So I'm upset. 416 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 9: I come from the offensive line world, the world of 417 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 9: offensive line, and that's a you know, we're a secret 418 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 9: mushroom society. 419 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 7: Nobody knows what the hell we're doing. And if we 420 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 7: have a great game, we're just to throw away tagline. 421 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 9: You know, I mean, a guy who rushes for two 422 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 9: hundred yards, you got to think the big fellow's up front. 423 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 9: Now let's talk about me. It was awesome, you know. 424 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 9: I mean, that's that's the way it works, right. You 425 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 9: give up, man, I can whip your ass sixty five 426 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 9: plays in a row. Dan, I give up one sack. 427 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 9: I'm a piece of garbage and you go to the 428 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 9: Pro Bowl. That's the world I come from. And so 429 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 9: I don't underst and this world of we're winning, but 430 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 9: I'm not getting to touch the ball enough. So I'm 431 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 9: going to pout or send cryptic tweets or be upset 432 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 9: that world. I don't understand that world. And I mean, ultimately, 433 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 9: it is about winning. And I know that you want 434 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 9: to compete, and I know that you want you know, 435 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 9: you want to win but you know, it's amazing what 436 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 9: you can do as an organization, whether it's football or 437 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 9: any organization, it's amazing what you can accomplish when no 438 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 9: one cares who gets the credit. And that's the world 439 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 9: I come from. So it's probably why I hate wide 440 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 9: receivers with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. 441 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 7: So it's you. 442 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 9: I'm probably not the right guy to ask because I 443 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 9: just think. I just think it's selfish and it bothers me, 444 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 9: and you know, and I'm. 445 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 7: Grumpy and I've got on black sox. So that's where 446 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 7: I live right now. 447 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: How frustrating was it or is it for an offensive 448 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 2: lineman to do your job for a couple of seconds 449 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you turn around and 450 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 2: your quarterbacks trying to make something happen, and then you 451 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: guys are going to get blamed for a sack? 452 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, well I will. 453 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 9: I will tell you that sacks are more of a 454 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 9: quarterback driven and a coaching driven statistic than they are 455 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 9: on offensive line static in today's NFL with all the 456 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 9: I mean, we didn't even have a bubble screen when 457 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 9: I was playing that that didn't even exist. And you know, 458 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 9: and you throw it behind line of scrimmage and out 459 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 9: to the sidelines so much, and there's so much quick game. 460 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 9: You really if you boil it down, Dan, you say, 461 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 9: hey man, we throw it thirty five times. You boil 462 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 9: it down thirty five times, you've got five. Let's call it. 463 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 9: I'm just gonna make the math easy because I'm not 464 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 9: that smart. We're gonna go five quick balls, like five 465 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 9: three step drops, right, So now you're down to thirty. Right, 466 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 9: We're gonna do five kind of bubble screens. So now 467 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 9: I'm down to twenty five. We're gonna do five, you know, 468 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 9: swing passes out to the running backs, all right, So 469 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 9: now I'm down to to twenty. Now we're going to 470 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 9: do a five to five step drop, but five step 471 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 9: drop with no hitch. So it's the ball is out 472 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 9: right now. Now I'm down to fifteen, you know, and 473 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 9: so I look at that. How about the boot keep 474 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 9: play action game. We're gonna do five of those, right, 475 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 9: So now I'm down. 476 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 7: To let's let's call it. I'll whittle it down, you know, 477 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 7: give or take a few. 478 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 9: I'll whittle it down to twelve plays where you actually 479 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 9: have to protect twelve plays, and so ultimately you got 480 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 9: to get the ball out of your hand. That's the 481 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 9: way the game is designed. And I was talking to 482 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 9: Byron left which when Tom Brady was playing for the 483 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 9: Dam Bay Buccaneers, and I said, what has been the 484 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 9: most amazing thing about Tom? He said, Hey, listen, if 485 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 9: I call curl flat, which is the first day, like 486 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 9: first day operation curl flat, everybody name league runs curl flat. 487 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 9: And your first read is the flat like it's just 488 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 9: you know, a backron tight end that's in the flat, right, 489 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 9: whatever it is, and that flat is open, and that's 490 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 9: the first read in the progression. Tom will take it 491 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 9: one hundred out of one hundred times, never get taking 492 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 9: the profit, and it'll put us in second down and 493 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 9: six minus and then the entirety of the offense is open. 494 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 9: We're on schedule. You hear people say that all the time. 495 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 9: On schedule, there are some quarterbacks that don't want to 496 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 9: throw it. Let me see what I can get at hey, 497 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 9: let me see if I can get something better. Let 498 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 9: me see if I can get something better. You got 499 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 9: to fall in love with Bory. And that's why guys 500 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 9: who scramble around. Most guys who scramble around don't win. 501 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 9: Championships because you gotta be you can't like ultimately, Like 502 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 9: I look at Kyler Murray and do you want to 503 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 9: win football games? Or do you want to make Sports 504 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 9: Center highlights? Like that was? That was what I would ask, like, 505 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 9: because I want to I want to win football games. 506 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 7: And the way you win is staying out a third 507 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 7: down and long. 508 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 9: And the way you stay at a third down long 509 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 9: is you have success on first and second down. 510 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 7: And so if somebody is going to give me a gift, 511 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 7: somebody's going to give me. 512 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 9: A five yard quick out and I pass it by 513 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 9: because I want something. 514 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 7: Better, or I want to make a highlight play. What's 515 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 7: selfish football? Because it's second down and five, I can 516 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 7: do anything. Everything is open to me. Second down and ten. 517 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 7: I'm predictable. Nothing is open to you. I have aired 518 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 7: down my playbook by you know, eighty percent. Whatever it is. 519 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 5: Stay grumpy, Okay. 520 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 7: I'm gonna get a T shirt. 521 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 5: Stay grumpy, stay grumpy. Good to talk to you, buddy, 522 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 5: Thank you. 523 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 7: Likewise, be good, buddy. 524 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 5: Mark Slera. 525 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 526 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports radio 527 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 528 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: listen live. 529 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 2: We bring in Sean CASEYMLB Network analyst. You can see 530 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: him throughout the postseason on MLB Network the studio shows 531 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: also MLB Tonight and his Mayor's Office podcast, Great to 532 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 2: See You Again. How much of the game comes down 533 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: to a gut feeling as a post to the analytics, 534 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: because it feels like you can lean on analytics and 535 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: blame analytics, but when it's a gut feeling, it's on you. 536 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 10: Yeah, what's up, Danny? Yeah, I think there's definitely something 537 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 10: to that, you know. I think we go back to, 538 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 10: you know a few years ago when when Snell was 539 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 10: cruising along for the Rays and then Cash comes and 540 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 10: gets them because that's what the analytics saying. 541 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 4: I think that was the first time we were all like, 542 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 4: oh man, where's the gut feel here? 543 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 10: Of kind of watching what you're seeing and going with that. 544 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 10: I think the managers that are that are in these games, 545 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 10: you know, are allowed to go on gut fields. And 546 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 10: you heard Aaron Boone say, I think that was a 547 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 10: gut feel for him. He felt like there was some 548 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 10: traffic on the bases with Freed in four five and six, 549 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 10: and he felt like, you know that that was the 550 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 10: right time he was going to go to the pen 551 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 10: there anyhow, So I feel like that was kind of 552 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 10: a gut feel from Boone as opposed to the analytics. 553 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 10: But you know, Danny being in these meetings, you know, 554 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 10: being back in the clubhouse in twenty twenty three with 555 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 10: the Yankees and seeing these meetings of how hey, if 556 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 10: this matchup comes up, the analytics say here, uh, you 557 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 10: know those are on the table. But I do think 558 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 10: as a manager in the postseason, the gut feel is 559 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 10: part of it, and you know it has. 560 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 4: To come and play. 561 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 2: Managing differently in the postseason, do you do you manage 562 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: differently or is that let's fight the urge to manage differently. 563 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 10: Well, I think I think there's a little bit of 564 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 10: managing differently in the postseason on a few fronts because 565 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 10: you know there is no tomorrow sometimes, you know, especially 566 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 10: some in these wildcard series too, like what is it 567 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 10: ninety percent of the teams that have won Game one 568 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 10: have gone on to. 569 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 4: Win the Wildcard series. 570 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 10: So I think that you know, if a pitcher's in 571 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 10: trouble early, you can't do what you might have done 572 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 10: in the in the regular season to save the bullpen. 573 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 10: You gotta you gotta get them out. You got to 574 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 10: get to the pen sooner. I think you're going to 575 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 10: see more bunts and strategies in the postseason of get 576 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 10: the you know, getting the bunt down, putting pressure on 577 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 10: getting the guy over. Uh So, I think I think 578 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 10: you do have to manage a little differently in the 579 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 10: postseason because the stakes are a lot higher. 580 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: Of the four teams that lost yesterday, which one has 581 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 2: the best chance to win their series? 582 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 4: I still think the Yankees have a great shot to 583 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 4: win that series. 584 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 10: I really, I really believe that, you know, I think 585 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 10: they you know, when you run into Crochet and Chapman, 586 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 10: you know, for seven and two thirds and then one 587 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 10: and a third, I mean, that is a that's a 588 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 10: tall order. They hadn't they had Chapman on the ropes 589 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 10: too in the ninth couldn't figure it out with basis loaded, 590 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 10: no outs. But you know, that's a taller in Game one. 591 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 10: I really feel like the Yankees have a really good team. 592 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 10: I think they still have a chance to win that series. 593 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 5: What do you remember about your first playoff game? 594 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 10: Wow, you know what's a good This is a great, 595 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 10: This is a great point. I was just I was 596 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 10: just saying this last week on on MLB Network. My 597 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 10: first real kind of playoff game was Game one sixty 598 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 10: three with the Reds and the and the and the Mets. 599 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 10: When we had the playing game the playoff atmosphere. Was 600 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 10: the first time I ever felt that, and I rememberer 601 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 10: Danny like it was an adrenaline and energy I'd never felt. 602 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 10: I'm twenty five year old kid, and I remember thinking, 603 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 10: I'm gonna go win this game tonight. I'm gonna go 604 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 10: I'm gonna really go go take this game. Right, I'm 605 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 10: I'm you know, it's the kind of that football mentality 606 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 10: which doesn't work in baseball. I end up going zero 607 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 10: for four, two punchouts, one of the worst games. 608 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: Of my life. 609 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 10: Right, And I remember thinking to myself, you know, and 610 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 10: as in the game of baseball and in life, failures, feedback, failures, information, 611 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 10: I was like, man, how do I take the failure 612 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 10: I got here? 613 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 4: Get me back to the postseason to experience it. 614 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 10: And when I finally went back to the postseason in 615 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 10: six when I was with the Tigers and I you know, 616 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 10: led the post, led all hitters and hitting and I 617 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 10: hit five hundred in the World Series. 618 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 4: The only reason I say that is because. 619 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 10: What I learned when I was twenty five years old 620 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 10: about you know, trying my hardest and really being somebody 621 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 10: different to you know, go get this game with the 622 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 10: adrenaline of the postseason being on another level. It doesn't work. 623 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 10: You got to be able to slow down. You got 624 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 10: to be able to let the game come to you. 625 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 10: And I think that's why you do. Sees maybe a 626 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 10: guy like Hunter Green last night, maybe the adrenaline was 627 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 10: a little too high. 628 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 4: Maybe that cost his pitches to. 629 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 10: Be up out over the plate more than they would 630 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 10: be during the regular season. 631 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 4: But you can't teach experience. 632 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 5: How do you pitch to o'tani. 633 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 3: Man? 634 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. 635 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 10: When he's locked in like this, he's very very dangerous. 636 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 10: I mean, you know, for me, you got to be 637 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 10: very careful. I mean, i'd like to say, you know, 638 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 10: I'd like to say, you go upper rail, but he's 639 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 10: proven he can hit that better than anybody in the game. 640 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 10: Now too, you got to really mix and match with him. 641 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 10: I think you got to get him off the plate 642 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 10: a little bit. You got to, you know, get him in, 643 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 10: move his feet and then you try and uh just 644 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 10: try and hit him with the kitchen sink. 645 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: Uh Kershaw is I think Otani's pitching maybe Game three, 646 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: but we saw, you know, Kershaw the second half of 647 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 2: the season. Pitch unbelievable. What's it like or was it 648 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: like to face a Clayton Kershaw? 649 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 10: Well, you know, funny looking back at me, you know 650 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 10: in my career because that was my last spring training 651 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 10: in two thousand and eight, was with the Red Sox. 652 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 10: Scott's time Flies met seventeen years ago, and it was 653 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 10: my third bat at the game. We're in Vero Beach. 654 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 10: Joe toy is the manager with Larry Bowa the bench coach. 655 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 10: Tito's my manager with the Red Sox, and it's like 656 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 10: my third bat. 657 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 4: I'm coming after that out of the game. 658 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 10: So on the on the mound pops a guy I 659 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 10: believe he was number ninety eight or eighty nine, and 660 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 10: I remember going to Dave Magnant and my hitting coach, 661 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 10: going hey, hey, you got anything on this guy. He's like, nah, 662 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 10: I got me. He goes through his notes, got nothing. 663 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 10: So I go to Tito, Hey you got anything on 664 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 10: this guy? He's like just some rookie off the backfield. 665 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 10: They're trying to get some work, and I'm like, all right, 666 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 10: it should be easy. Let me you know, you know, 667 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 10: so I'm daddy. I'm like, all right, let me take it. 668 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 10: Let me take a look at the first pitch. See 669 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 10: what he's got, you know, maybe set out my eyes. 670 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 10: So I get in there, say how to the catch here? 671 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 10: Look over, Tory gives me a nod. 672 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 4: I get in there. 673 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 10: You know this big left he's on the mound, number 674 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 10: ninety eight. So I set up, take a nice I'm 675 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 10: gonna take one. 676 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 4: Wam hits me with like ninety eight outside black. I'm like, 677 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 4: I am. I'm like, that's this kid from the backfield's 678 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 4: pretty good. This guy's got some pretty good stuff. 679 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 10: So I look over Joe Tory and Joe Tory and 680 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 10: Larry Bow and now laughing because I obviously they know 681 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 10: they know this kid better than than we know him 682 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 10: on the Red Sox side. So next pitch, Danny, he 683 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 10: hits me with it. This guy hits me with a curveball. 684 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 10: I swear to guy who was behind me, I total 685 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 10: buck Tony's buckle. I just Tony's pizza up whaa and 686 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 10: bam he hits me with strike two and I'm like wow, 687 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 10: I'm like, that's this kid's this kid from the backfield, 688 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 10: something special, so believable. Like so next pitch he hits 689 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 10: me with like about ninety eight outside black. 690 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 4: It's no doubt strike three. 691 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 10: Like I just got used and abused by this young 692 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 10: eighteen year old kid ninety eight from the backfield. 693 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 4: They call it ball. They called a ball just because I. 694 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 10: Think Gump was like, hey, we can't, we can't ring 695 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 10: up shaw Casey on three pitches from this guy number 696 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 10: ninety eight on the backfields and Danny hits me. Next pitch, 697 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 10: he hits me with that curveball again. I almost I 698 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 10: literally almost blew out my acl. I was like, what 699 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 10: Bamy hits me? And I look over everyone's laugh and 700 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 10: I come back to the dugout and I go to. 701 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 4: Tito, go, man, you don't know who that guy is. 702 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 4: He goes, no, I'm just glad I'm. 703 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 9: Not you right now, but yeah, I go, yeah. 704 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 7: Me too. 705 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 4: It turns out that was Clayton Kershaw. I think that 706 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 4: was his first big lead year ever. Faced he maybe 707 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 4: looked like a four year old kid. 708 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 2: So Sean Casey MLB network analysts, you can see him 709 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: on MLB's postseason coverage, and also check out his Mayor's 710 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: Office podcast. I opened the show talking about it used 711 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: to be I had to have a hammer or two 712 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: in the postseason. And you know, we've seen teams that 713 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 2: have had those two great starters in a best of five, 714 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: best of seven, you're going to see them four times. 715 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: Scooba is one of those guys. Croche we saw that 716 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: performance there. Schemes isn't going to be in a playoff 717 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: anytime soon. Verlander didn't make the playoffs, you know, so 718 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: you're starting to look around and go, how many of 719 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: these hammers are out there, and just the importance of them, 720 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: certainly in a three game series. 721 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. 722 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 10: Well, I look at the Dodgers and I go, okay, 723 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 10: you got game one with Snell, you're gonna get Yamamoto 724 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 10: coming back, game two, and you got Otani game three. 725 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 4: You know that that wasn't that rotation setting up all year. 726 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,959 Speaker 10: Snell was banged up, Yamamoto did well, Otani came back late. 727 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 10: But they they they couldn't have timed Otawni's uh, you know, 728 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 10: his ascending into that starter with his last couple of starts. 729 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 10: I now think that's a that's a real three headed 730 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 10: monster right there. You talk about hammers. These are guys 731 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 10: that can absolutely control the game. Now, the big thing 732 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 10: with the Dodgers is can that you know, can they 733 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 10: can they go pretty long because the bullpen's you know, 734 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 10: been a little banged up. But you're right when you 735 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 10: watch Scoobale pitch yesterday and you watched Crochet even Freed you. 736 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 4: Know, kept him in the game with the Yankees. 737 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 10: But these are guys that are, like, you really gotta 738 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 10: be on your A game. 739 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 4: You gotta find a way to. 740 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 10: Manufacture against these guys because if they're on, it's it's 741 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 10: a tough go. 742 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 2: How much should it factor in that cal Rawly was 743 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: the catcher on a on a Pennant winning team as 744 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 2: far as the MVP go with Aaron. 745 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 4: Judge, it should definitely factor in. 746 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 10: I mean, I think the biggest reason we're talking about 747 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 10: cal Rawley obviously, other than the sixty home runs, which 748 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 10: is incredible, is that he's a catcher. You know, because 749 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 10: at the end of the day, you know, to be 750 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 10: able to catch that many games, to handle the staff, 751 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 10: the preparation, pregame of what goes into that We've never 752 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 10: seen a catcher do it, because you know, the legs 753 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 10: that are under you start to go in the second half. 754 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 10: The fact that he beat Mantles and he's also a 755 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 10: switch hitter. He beat Manos fifty four home runs as 756 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 10: a switch hitter. Really historic stuff. I mean historic stuff. 757 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 10: So you know, I really think that that cal Rawly. 758 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 10: That's why he's in this conversation for MVP. That's why 759 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 10: he might he might win. It is because he's a catcher. 760 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 5: Sounds like you're leaning towards Aaron Judge. 761 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 4: You know what. 762 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 10: I this is the one thing I think about the 763 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 10: MVP race in this generation. Back when I was playing, 764 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 10: guys would have incredible, incredible years, historic seasons. But Barry 765 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 10: Bonds was in the league, and then you know, years 766 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 10: ago guys would have historic seasons and look how amazing 767 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 10: this is. Yeah, but sho heyo, Tawny's in that league, 768 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 10: in the American League. I feel that way with Aaron Judge. 769 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 10: I mean, Aaron Judge won a batting title, hit hit 770 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 10: over fifty home runs. Only Jimmy Fox and Mickey Manle 771 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,439 Speaker 10: have ever done that historic stuff. He's one of four 772 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 10: players that ever have four seasons of fifty homers. Historic stuff. 773 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 10: He's hitting three thirty in an age where no one's 774 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 10: hitting three hundred. Is that like three seventy years ago? 775 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 10: Historic stuff? So like I look at Aaron Judge's numbers. 776 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 10: His ops is over, you know, two hundred, greater than 777 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 10: cal Raley's. 778 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 4: There's just so many things. Is on base percentage what 779 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 4: he does every day? 780 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 10: And for me, Danny, I don't buy the whole average 781 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 10: doesn't matter. You know what batting average shows me. It 782 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 10: shows me you're showing up every day. It shows me 783 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 10: I can trust you. It shows me you're hitting good pitching. 784 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 10: It shows me you're hitting the closers and the number 785 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 10: one starters. It shows me that you're winning ball games 786 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 10: for my team. 787 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 4: So I don't know. 788 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 10: I just look at Aaron Judge. I just feel like 789 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 10: cal Rawly had a historic year. But Aaron Judge exists 790 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 10: in twenty twenty five, and he's a generational player that 791 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 10: we've never seen, one that we've really never seen before. 792 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 4: And for me, he's the MVP. 793 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 5: What's the coolest thing in your office? 794 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 4: Coolest thing in my office? 795 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 10: I got a lot of cool things here in the office. 796 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 10: I have a picture over there of Marilyn Monroe and 797 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 10: Joe DiMaggio getting off a plane, and there's two signed checks. 798 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 10: One of the Maggio he signed us to a school 799 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 10: in nineteen ninety eight and the Marilyn Monroe check signed 800 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 10: in like nineteen fifty three for a dollar fifty to 801 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 10: a friend of hers. 802 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 2: Are those Sports Emmys? The years that MLB Tonight beat 803 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,439 Speaker 2: my show? Did you put those out? Those weren't out there? 804 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 2: Probably twenty minutes ago. They weren't out there. 805 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 10: Dude, I knew I was coming on. I was like, 806 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 10: I want to be sure Danny knows the Emmys. 807 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 5: Damn you. That's like a bat flip there. Damn Oh. 808 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 4: You know. 809 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 5: One more thing. 810 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 2: We were talking about great swings, pretty swings. Why is 811 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 2: it a right handed hitters? Never we don't single out 812 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: and go, boy, that guy's got one of the prettiest 813 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 2: swings in the game. It's always gonna be Junior Rafael 814 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 2: Paul Merrow. I mean, there's it's always the left handed hitter. 815 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 4: Why is that always the lefties? I don't know. 816 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 10: It just looks a lot sweeter left handed the right 817 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 10: he's look like they're always grinding, Like, oh man, that 818 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 10: looks weird, but boy, it's a good swing hundred pens like, 819 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 10: oh what hell, man, he's a really good player, you 820 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 10: know what I mean. 821 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: Once again, this guy got thrown out from left field 822 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: on a base hit. 823 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. 824 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 10: And don't forget there's two new members in that Dylan 825 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 10: Moore and uh and uh Tommy Fam. 826 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 4: Thank you guys for being in that club. 827 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 2: How many guys have gotten thrown out from left field? 828 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 5: At first? That's it three us now in the history 829 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 5: of the game. 830 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 4: It was me forever, that history of the game. And 831 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 4: then Tommy Fam this year and Dylan Moore. I'm keeping tabs. 832 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,720 Speaker 10: I'm keeping receipts on who's getting thrown off and left 833 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 10: because I was. 834 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 4: I was in the exclusive club. 835 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 2: Dandy, damn them. Keep the energy. Great to talk to you, buddy. 836 00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 4: Great scene, man, I'll talk to you. 837 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 2: Sean Casey, MLB Network analysts. You can see him throughout 838 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: the postseason on MLB Network studio shows and his podcast, 839 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 2: The Mayor's Office.