Speaker 1: Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish on.
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Speaker 2: the Marlins?
Speaker 3: Do you get?
Speaker 2: Are sweep against the Sacramento Slash Las Vegas Athletics out
Speaker 2: in a minor league park somewhere in Sacramento. Let's start
Speaker 2: the positives. Uh, Marlin's gave two Allstar representatives and they
Speaker 2: both performed well in this series. Nothing to take away
Speaker 2: from them. Defended their cases very well, particularly Auto Max
Speaker 2: as well, so that was awesome. The offense showed up
Speaker 2: an abundance in this series was very good. Lots of
Speaker 2: long balls, lots of runs. They have a positive run differential.
Speaker 2: If this continues and they end with a positive run
Speaker 2: differential somehow this season, it will be the first time
Speaker 2: they've done it since two thousand and eight. Lots of
Speaker 2: things to be happy about with the Marlins. This is
Speaker 2: a team that is surpassing my expectations and I think
Speaker 2: a lot of other people's expectations in terms of how
Speaker 2: it is performing. Even if this was against a bad team.
Speaker 2: They haven't lost a series in a bit they've lost
Speaker 2: one series since the start of June, and things are
Speaker 2: okay right now, better than okay for the Marlins as
Speaker 2: a whole. This series, on the other hand, even though
Speaker 2: it was just sweep, I would say that we leave
Speaker 2: the series and leave Sacramento coming home right to face
Speaker 2: the Mariners. I think it is with a little bit
Speaker 2: of sour taste in the mouth. And we'll get to
Speaker 2: that here in a second, as we cover the first
Speaker 2: game of the series, which just ended Len's win by
Speaker 2: a final score of nine to eight, a game they
Speaker 2: were leading eh to zero. It takes that last run
Speaker 2: that was driven that Liam hick shtroven on a little
Speaker 2: what swibbler to the picture. That's the winning run in
Speaker 2: the game, in the game where ry Prez was absolutely dominating.
Speaker 2: The winning run was scored in this game in what
Speaker 2: they ate inning so unbelievable, just out of hand. The
Speaker 2: Marlins always find a way to surprise you, no matter
Speaker 2: what matter if it's good or bad. This particular game
Speaker 2: was very bad in all of our opinions, I think
Speaker 2: we all agree. I know there's discourse going on on
Speaker 2: Twitter between fans, media members, people that work for the team,
Speaker 2: people that don't work for the team. We're always going
Speaker 2: to give it to you one hundred percent. And listen,
Speaker 2: I'll start it this way before I go to you, guys,
Speaker 2: I get the decision to protect the picture. I get it.
Speaker 2: He's two stars off the il young kid. You know
Speaker 2: in that moment, he's going to be fireballing his ass off.
Speaker 2: He's going to be going for that one hundred percent
Speaker 2: like it's the seventh game of the World Series. Absolutely so,
Speaker 2: you protect the player from himself by taking him out. However,
Speaker 2: leaving him in could have done so much better. Not
Speaker 2: only is he your best chance to win, as Lake
Speaker 2: Baker and Pete Fairbanks proved, not only is your best
Speaker 2: chance to win and you need everyone you can get
Speaker 2: two more innings of Uri Perez, is your best chance
Speaker 2: to win in that situation. That's number one. No matter
Speaker 2: if you're talking about the stretch or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: You're in the moment right now and you need to
Speaker 2: win a baseball game. I don't care if it's fifteen
Speaker 2: to nothing. You leave that picture and that is your
Speaker 2: best chance to win the baseball game. Number two is
Speaker 2: you could have done so many things. Ignited the team,
Speaker 2: ignited the fan base, given the town something to talk about.
Speaker 2: They're still struggling to get fans in here. People ain't
Speaker 2: believe it in this team until they're performing like this
Speaker 2: in the end of August, then maybe they'll be selling
Speaker 2: out Loan Depot Park. They're not doing that right now.
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a lot more of this, but to
Speaker 2: give them the fact they can say, hey, this team
Speaker 2: just through a perfect game. That gets you a lot
Speaker 2: more buy in. So, without going too far on my own,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to you, guys, Isaac, I'll go to
Speaker 2: you first. I think we all agree this is a
Speaker 2: bad decision. I gave you my reasons why it's a
Speaker 2: bad decision. I'll go to you first, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Bad decision is complicated.
Speaker 5: I certainly probably would have done something differently because we
Speaker 5: have to appreciate the fact that every single game under
Speaker 5: this regime, it has been plan oriented, part of the plan,
Speaker 5: every single starting pitcher. Every time they do this with
Speaker 5: a starting pitcher, we always ask the same thing, and
Speaker 5: it is always part of the plan. Now, should they
Speaker 5: pivot from that plan when something like a perfect game
Speaker 5: is realistically possible here six outs away? Probably, And I
Speaker 5: understand the argument, Okay, he goes up for the eighth,
Speaker 5: he has to go pitch the night at that point,
Speaker 5: and then you're getting to like the one oh five,
Speaker 5: one to.
Speaker 4: Fifteen range, which you want to avoid. But my argument
Speaker 4: would be you're in the eighth inning. That inning will
Speaker 4: decide it for you. If it's a a quick swift in.
Speaker 5: One, two three inning in the eighth, like it wasn't
Speaker 5: the seventh, he could go out there below one hundred
Speaker 5: pitches for the ninth and there you let him finish.
Speaker 5: If he has a tough enne of he labors a
Speaker 5: little bit, throws twenty pitches, or he gives up the
Speaker 5: perfect game, then you take him out right there on
Speaker 5: the spot.
Speaker 4: So I didn't love it.
Speaker 5: I'm a big history guy, and if there's a chance
Speaker 5: of doing something that only twenty four other people have
Speaker 5: ever done the history of this beautiful game, you let
Speaker 5: the kid do it. You don't know when this guy
Speaker 5: will have another opportunity. He probably will never have another
Speaker 5: opportunity to do this, So in that.
Speaker 4: Sense, it's tough. But like I said, we also have to.
Speaker 5: Appreciate the discipline because, oh my god, imagine having to
Speaker 5: take out your starting pitcher at ninety two pitches in
Speaker 5: a perfect game. So that sucks. It's not a tough
Speaker 5: position to be in. But I would have certainly gone
Speaker 5: about it a different way and let him get the eighth,
Speaker 5: you know, and what if he has a three pitch inning,
Speaker 5: but he has a five pitch inning, you know, like
Speaker 5: and so if I were going to take him out too,
Speaker 5: you better go with someone high leverage.
Speaker 4: Here, you minded that perfect game with.
Speaker 2: That box and we can get too. How is that
Speaker 2: your decision?
Speaker 6: You don't.
Speaker 1: And going with Baker? They treated it as I like
Speaker 1: it's any other game. This was the guy was throwing
Speaker 1: a person. Look, I I appreciate Clayton claim has been
Speaker 1: nothing but good with us, But man, when I say
Speaker 1: this is probably the worst decision he's made as manager
Speaker 1: of the Marlins, it's it's up that you don't take
Speaker 1: a guy out of a perfect game. In no world
Speaker 1: do you take someone out of a perfect game, especially
Speaker 1: the way Uri was throwing where it was good, he
Speaker 1: was looking great. There was no other way to say it.
Speaker 1: And to not take that Barker earlier was also weird.
Speaker 1: I understand that, you know, you wanted to use him
Speaker 1: as much as he could and try to see if
Speaker 1: you can maybe stretch him out for those last two
Speaker 1: winnings of the game. But it was a bad decision.
Speaker 1: I'm not one to say that the Marlins ever deserved
Speaker 1: to lose a game, but the way it was going,
Speaker 1: it was it was going that way where they lost,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a surprise. But you know what, there's
Speaker 1: seven games over five hundred. They are currently now tied
Speaker 1: for the third wild card spot.
Speaker 7: Well okay, oh yeah, okay, thank you. Uh, I think
Speaker 7: all all as well as an exaggeration. I mean that
Speaker 7: the roach of one about as well as yeah, so
Speaker 7: it's uh, it really is just absolute pure, like too
Speaker 7: good to script that you have one of the best
Speaker 7: start starting appearances ever made in Marlin's history, and it's
Speaker 7: immediately followed by one of the worst bullpen meltdowns in
Speaker 7: the entire franchise history. Like Baker, we can poke holes
Speaker 7: in the decision to bring him in particular, if for
Speaker 7: going to the pen, Baker has been pretty good this year.
Speaker 7: He's never had an outing like that in his entire
Speaker 7: nature career. I mean the fact that he faced six
Speaker 7: guys didn't retire a single one for him to totally
Speaker 7: melt down like that it feels like something almost supernatural
Speaker 7: that it happened that way. I think that is the
Speaker 7: baseball gods kind of like roaring back at Clayton mccull
Speaker 7: for this decision, which I mean, when we talked about
Speaker 7: these decisions, we shouldn't we need to be acknowledged the
Speaker 7: fact that it's not a Clayton McCullough only decision. This
Speaker 7: is a collaborative process. This is I'm sure communication with
Speaker 7: several different levels of the Marlins organization even before this game,
Speaker 7: about what Yuri could realistically have done given that he's
Speaker 7: shortly removed coming back from the IL, given that he
Speaker 7: was not fully stretched out when he came back from
Speaker 7: the IL, This like theoretically should have been the start
Speaker 7: where he was fully stretched out again as a starter.
Speaker 7: But this is a guy that's never gone nine innings
Speaker 7: in a game. But he's never gone has he ever
Speaker 7: gone eight innings. I know he's like pitched in the
Speaker 7: eighth inning, but this was going to blow pass you know,
Speaker 7: anything he's ever previously done. But that being said, I mean,
Speaker 7: just watching this game and how easy he made it look,
Speaker 7: especially at the very end of that. I thought his
Speaker 7: final ending that he pitched was as good as any ending,
Speaker 7: as effortless as any ending that he had thrown on
Speaker 7: a day where really the separator was that his command
Speaker 7: overall was as good as I've ever seen it with
Speaker 7: all his pitches, like his velow was totally regular is
Speaker 7: in terms of swing and miss, that was pretty much
Speaker 7: in line with an average Yury appearance. It was more
Speaker 7: so that he just was not throwing meat balls for
Speaker 7: anybody to take advantage of. And that's why he got
Speaker 7: all these lazy pop ups, all these routine grounders, and
Speaker 7: also his fair share of strikeouts that were just beautifully
Speaker 7: placed on both corners, catching east to west in particular.
Speaker 7: Today he was just marvelous. He was perfect and when
Speaker 7: he just shows no sign of tiring. There is a
Speaker 7: difference between a perfect game and a no hitter. I
Speaker 7: think people like to group them together, But this is
Speaker 7: something that was totally unprecedented in Marlin's history that they
Speaker 7: had going that they were this close to against a
Speaker 7: team that they had all week and long had just
Speaker 7: absolutely demoralized. It seems like a situation to me where
Speaker 7: this is where some intangibles, some real feel for the
Speaker 7: game has to come in and they are yeah, they're
Speaker 7: lucky that they won this game, because it would have
Speaker 7: jumped right to the top of the list of one
Speaker 7: of the worst losses ever for a regular season, at
Speaker 7: least for this Marlins team. How that was gross the
Speaker 7: way that it ended, And I think whoever is ultimately
Speaker 7: responsible for that call, maybe it is played in in
Speaker 7: that moment that actually has to make that decision to
Speaker 7: take Yuri out here, to say that you have a
Speaker 7: long future ahead of us. But this is even something
Speaker 7: that they mentioned on the broadcast. I can't remember whether
Speaker 7: it was specifically Chris Carrey or Dallas Brayden or Gabby Sanchez.
Speaker 7: It was like one of them pointing out that he
Speaker 7: has such a long career ahead of him, which he does.
Speaker 7: He's twenty three years old, and he's been pitching extraordinary
Speaker 7: well before his injury. Since he's coming back, like there's
Speaker 7: reason to think he's gonna have other gems in his career.
Speaker 7: There's not really a good reason to think he's going
Speaker 7: to pitch another perfect game in his career because that
Speaker 7: so rarely happens. And I think that's where you just
Speaker 7: need to emphasize how unique a situation this was. Even
Speaker 7: if he wasn't necessarily perfect, even if every pitch wasn't perfect,
Speaker 7: even if there was a situation where he was behind
Speaker 7: in the count three and one and he missed low,
Speaker 7: and if they challenge at the abs challenge right there,
Speaker 7: the perfect game is over. Yeah that was in the
Speaker 7: sixth ending if I had that correct. So he wasn't
Speaker 7: flawless in this outing, But the results are the results,
Speaker 7: Like perfect results are something that people remember forever, even
Speaker 7: more vividly than no hitters. And for him to get
Speaker 7: had that opportunity to take away from him, it feels awful.
Speaker 7: And I think the fans are more upset than probably
Speaker 7: he is, and the fans might be more upset than
Speaker 7: his teammates are, But the fans are understandably furious about this,
Speaker 7: and I think it's just another one of those really
Speaker 7: weird in game decisions that we've seen the Marlins make
Speaker 7: these last couple of years, a lot of which actually
Speaker 7: work out. Overall, this is a team that's like overachieving
Speaker 7: considering what we thought they'd be talent wise and experience wise,
Speaker 7: but still like these are the moments that are still
Speaker 7: a step back. I would think to handle the situation
Speaker 7: the way that they did.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 2: Nate, I want to get your thoughts on this before
Speaker 2: we go on, because we have much more to carver
Speaker 2: rather than just as I know, as Kevin you were mentioning,
Speaker 2: I don't want to let this overshadow as Eli was
Speaker 2: talking about what was a great series and great roach
Speaker 2: trip for the Marlins, and they feel good coming home,
Speaker 2: for sure, I think they could have felt a lot better.
Speaker 2: You know, if that were to happen, if that history
Speaker 2: were to happen, it would have been just amazing for
Speaker 2: one of the youngest kids on the team to have
Speaker 2: that moment would have been great for the fan base,
Speaker 2: great for the team, everything else. But we were saying, Nate,
Speaker 2: before you got here, what happened after they took Uriy out.
Speaker 2: It just didn't even seem like they cared what was
Speaker 2: going on. They just treated it like, Okay, we're up
Speaker 2: by eight runs, let's just let's just put in our
Speaker 2: bulk reliever like that. I can't I can't get Maybe
Speaker 2: I can get past the decision to take Eury out. Fine,
Speaker 2: I was saying how it could ignite the fan base,
Speaker 2: like give them something to be Wow, the Marlins did
Speaker 2: something amazing that only and they treated it like just
Speaker 2: it was just another game, and and Baker comes in
Speaker 2: and gives up a grand Slam and doesn't even get
Speaker 2: an out. That the decision to take Eury out, I
Speaker 2: guess you could sway both sides of the aisle. The
Speaker 2: decision to go to Lake Baker followed by Michael Peterson
Speaker 2: and then only Fairbanks probably because you had to That
Speaker 2: to me is terrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just so many things to do
Speaker 3: into this, right. I think it was almost like divine
Speaker 3: intervention from the baseball Dogs, and hey, you're gonna take
Speaker 3: a guy out with the perfect game through seven. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't even hate going to Michael Peterson there, but
Speaker 3: going to Lake I know, I'm a big fan of
Speaker 3: Lake Balker, but even though to do that just a
Speaker 3: little bit more high leverage from the start, because Micro
Speaker 3: out of it perfectly fine. I think my big thing is, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I grew up a big fan of
Speaker 3: this team, and there's I mean, let's be real here,
Speaker 3: there's never been any national attention about the Miami Marlins,
Speaker 3: right except when they go on their runs here and
Speaker 3: then made the playoffs. They're playing their best baseball that
Speaker 3: they've played since at least twenty twenty three. And I
Speaker 3: guarantee you all that's going to be played on ESPN,
Speaker 3: MLB network, Fox, all over Twitter. All you're gonna see
Speaker 3: are the A's fans channing shame at Clayton when this
Speaker 3: team has played. I mean, they just killed. They killed
Speaker 3: the road trip. It's the truth. I guarantee you'll see
Speaker 3: more of that than anything else. And it is such
Speaker 3: a shame that this team is playing such good baseball
Speaker 3: and Uri, I mean, let's be real here, as I
Speaker 3: don't think, honestly, URI's gonna be in that position ever.
Speaker 3: Again that's just speaking truthfully. I mean, with the walk
Speaker 3: issues that he's had in the past, and one abs
Speaker 3: call goes another way when a guy is that close
Speaker 3: to history, And I mean, what is twenty pitches really
Speaker 3: gonna do. I mean, the last time the Marlins Bavidyary
Speaker 3: three years ago, his arm popped anyway, and spring training
Speaker 3: the next year. So it's just how it is with pitch.
Speaker 3: It with pitchers now, the arms and a pop eventually.
Speaker 3: So it is a shame that I had to work
Speaker 3: out like this. And like you said, Carvert it you know,
Speaker 3: you know you don't want this to overshadow what the
Speaker 3: morons have been doing. But we're fifteen minutes into the
Speaker 3: stream and we have not said a word about the
Speaker 3: road trip they just had and they just swept They's
Speaker 3: so it's a shame, but the Marlins that at least
Speaker 3: they pulled it out. Pete Fairbanks, when is the last
Speaker 3: time he is not allowed to run in an appearance
Speaker 3: If you don't give that guy at least a two
Speaker 3: run cushion, I don't know. So there's a lot to
Speaker 3: digest here, but I think we should finally get to
Speaker 3: the fact that they did win this series and sweep,
Speaker 3: and they're coming back to manage seven games over and
Speaker 3: that the fans that are you know, that can make
Speaker 3: it to the game, they should show out and appreciate
Speaker 3: the team before the All Star break.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did have to look at it.
Speaker 5: Sorry, just regarding regarding Fairbanks, because it even if you
Speaker 5: give him a four run lead, he seems to always
Speaker 5: make it interesting.
Speaker 4: And he hasn't had a.
Speaker 1: Series there was scoreless.
Speaker 5: Right as the scoreless ending since the Giants and then
Speaker 5: over his last since the beginning of April. So yeah,
Speaker 5: after the first two that's for the first home stand
Speaker 5: He's given up nineteen earned runs in twenty two innings pitch.
Speaker 5: It's almost a run per inning for him. Well, for
Speaker 5: a pretty lengthy period of time. Honestly, the Marls ironically
Speaker 5: eighteen and six in those games.
Speaker 4: But still they they don't have to show.
Speaker 5: Up the back end of that pet a little bit
Speaker 5: because who knows where Bender's gonna be. Who knows where
Speaker 5: a lot of these guys are going to be past
Speaker 5: the deadline, including Fairbanks. But yeah, it's been a rough
Speaker 5: stretch for Pete.
Speaker 2: Earned run in every out in sense, what was it
Speaker 2: the June twentieth game against the Giants, So that's what
Speaker 2: four consecutive outings.
Speaker 7: Now, Yeah, yeah, Just to echo that point, I think
Speaker 7: I meant to bring it myself, but I rambled in
Speaker 7: too many different directions. The fact that blowing up in
Speaker 7: a game like this and for Fairbanks to again be
Speaker 7: in the middle of it, you're running out of time
Speaker 7: for him to prove anything in regards to him being
Speaker 7: like back to his usual self or even back to
Speaker 7: who he was last year. Like there's this big sample
Speaker 7: of evidence that just points to the fact that this
Speaker 7: is his worst season. It doesn't mean that he's useless,
Speaker 7: but the idea about going forward down the stretch with
Speaker 7: him as your highest leverage reliever and your most important
Speaker 7: reliever and for the moment, I mean, I guess the
Speaker 7: next man up, if healthy, would have been Anthony Bender.
Speaker 7: But Bender is hurt. That's something that we kind of
Speaker 7: glossed over. But I think that that's something that's pretty
Speaker 7: relevant in this situation. People had gone to Bender, for example,
Speaker 7: in the eighth inning, I think it's a different vibe
Speaker 7: than if they go to somebody like Lake Poker, given
Speaker 7: how Bender has pitched this year, so I personally have
Speaker 7: not given too much attention to the idea of like
Speaker 7: relief pitching being a priority heading into the trade deadline.
Speaker 7: But the fact that you just there's depending on Bender's
Speaker 7: health and even if he is healthy, like the fact
Speaker 7: that there really is not one guy you can love
Speaker 7: going to in that situation to somewhat like soften the
Speaker 7: blow of, you know, that controversial decision. I think that
Speaker 7: just speaks to the fact that, yeah, they could use
Speaker 7: even more talent there, among other areas as well as
Speaker 7: they've been playing right now, they could still use more
Speaker 7: outside help, and the bullpen is one of those many
Speaker 7: areas so that they should be exploring.
Speaker 1: Well, last thing real quick with Uri, Like people talked
Speaker 1: about the injury and they're trying to just you know,
Speaker 1: have him come back and listen, it was a legend.
Speaker 1: It's all like his arm was shot or he had
Speaker 1: a label like, it was none of that. It was
Speaker 1: a leg injury. Like I understand, like, yes, you got
Speaker 1: to ease him back in, but like there's a reason
Speaker 1: he only had one rehab starting Jacksonville and this was
Speaker 1: a lot quicker than expected because it was a leg injury.
Speaker 1: It's not like this was a forearm strain or a
Speaker 1: shoulder injury that like you know what, then at that point, fine,
Speaker 1: sure whatever, you took him out.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 1: There's so many ways to dive into this, but it
Speaker 1: really truly is not the right decision. And I think
Speaker 1: Eli noted this, like you have the game, man, and
Speaker 1: I think that's been a big issue with this coaching
Speaker 1: staff since day one, just lack of feel. You're in
Speaker 1: a position where you can make history, and even then
Speaker 1: you took him out, Fine, you're in a position where
Speaker 1: you could be the first team ever in Major League
Speaker 1: based and first team ever to have a combined perfect game. Like,
Speaker 1: that's still relatively cool if you ask me. Regardless of
Speaker 1: Ice likes it. I don't know, just bad decision making there,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they won. Good for them. They almost blew it,
Speaker 1: like literally, I mean, you could not have asked for
Speaker 1: like the worst situation after But yeah, they they won.
Speaker 1: Good for them.
Speaker 5: One of the funnier arguments that I've seen on Twitter
Speaker 5: has been that it's it's very hot outside of Sacramento.
Speaker 4: To be played in the winter. What am I say?
Speaker 2: What do we eat? This game was only ever played out.
Speaker 5: I've seen the Marlins play baseball games in Saint Louis
Speaker 5: in July in one hundred and five degree field temperature.
Speaker 4: Give me a break, man, what are you doing here? Hey?
Speaker 4: I want to say that he.
Speaker 2: Grew up grow up in domes and lone people park.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 7: I covered one year start this year when he was
Speaker 7: at Yankee Stadium and it was like fifty five degrees
Speaker 7: and a little breezy, and it's like he goes out
Speaker 7: of his way to bring up hell it was a
Speaker 7: little too, it was a little cold, Like he wasn't
Speaker 7: making excuses, basically walked like six guys and he said,
Speaker 7: it's a little colds I don't like the cold weather.
Speaker 7: So if anything, I think these are ideal can do
Speaker 7: and that's why he I don't think it's a total
Speaker 7: coincidence that he pitched well under these conditions anything California.
Speaker 5: And it's not like many of these are dug outs
Speaker 5: in high school. These are well equipped Major League Baseball
Speaker 5: dugouts with all the water in the world and all
Speaker 5: the electrolytes in the world. And no, you know that's
Speaker 5: and it's like I said, it's in northern California.
Speaker 4: I'm also going to be curious.
Speaker 1: Obviously we haven't listened to Clayton yet, but we all
Speaker 1: remember when he took out Sandy earlier this year and
Speaker 1: he said that was his decision. He'll take them out.
Speaker 1: The blame for it. I'm curious to see who how
Speaker 1: does this all came to be at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, this was a Clayton only decision where he
Speaker 1: said I'm going to take charge you and I'm going
Speaker 1: to take him out, or if this was a collective decision.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it was more collective. But still, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: regardless of.
Speaker 2: We have to move on, Adrey says. The start, you know,
Speaker 2: there is that modicum of protecting the player from himself,
Speaker 2: and you get it, but the history of that has
Speaker 2: to If it's a no hitter and that's where you're at,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, all right, you know what. Fine, still sucks,
Speaker 2: but okay, you it. You're protecting that player from himself.
Speaker 2: But Kevin, to your point, Uri coming back from an
Speaker 2: arm injury in May through more than ninety two pitches,
Speaker 2: So we can go a million different directions, but we
Speaker 2: got to stop because we gotta go on. I do
Speaker 2: want to get the positives. This isn't didn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to just make this a slam show about this decision,
Speaker 2: which will probably continue to talk about as the season
Speaker 2: goes on. But they do sweep the series and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of positives that I do want to get to.
Speaker 2: So we'll put Yuri in the back in the in
Speaker 2: the rear view for now. The good thing is he
Speaker 2: did go seven perfect. I think he'll be able to
Speaker 2: build confidence after this start. Even though he had to
Speaker 2: watch the bullpen kind of almost squander away the lead
Speaker 2: behind him, This is still a good confidence building block
Speaker 2: start for Yuri. And Uri, as we all know, with
Speaker 2: how he has attitude wise and how he pitches with
Speaker 2: his heart on his sleeve. He needs confidence more than
Speaker 2: anything else, and I think he'll pull that away from
Speaker 2: the start, even though he was pulled when I don't
Speaker 2: think you should have been. We'll go on what we
Speaker 2: all think, and what we all have thought all season
Speaker 2: is that there's some true All Stars on this team,
Speaker 2: and two of them got the knots before this series
Speaker 2: started and defended them, defended those selections in the series,
Speaker 2: one being Auto Lopez. So I want to talk about
Speaker 2: this kid probably should have been the starting shortstop in
Speaker 2: the National League. I think is the best shortstop in
Speaker 2: the National League. Probably not so arguably is the best
Speaker 2: shortstop in the National League. He won't be starting because
Speaker 2: of fan voting, but he does get his rightful selection,
Speaker 2: and he's in the midst of one of the greatest
Speaker 2: offensive and even defensive seasons any Marlin shortstop of all time.
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy in this series became the eighth
Speaker 2: player in franchise history with twenty five doubles and nine
Speaker 2: homers at least in the first half of a Marlin season.
Speaker 2: One of the last players that did that is Hanley Ramirez,
Speaker 2: Isaac's boy. So I don't think I think that where
Speaker 2: when you compare these two seasons, which I think is
Speaker 2: a great thing, A great great thing to look at.
Speaker 2: Whether Otto gets to Hanley or not, we'll talk about.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you, Isaac that question. Can he
Speaker 2: get to where Hanley was that season, which is one
Speaker 2: of the greatest seas in Marlin's history. I think he could,
Speaker 2: but I want to get your thoughts on that. That season.
Speaker 2: Of course, Hanley wins a batting title, hit like three
Speaker 2: forty something, I think where Otto loses out on the
Speaker 2: power side of things. But he's up to nine homers,
Speaker 2: I mean, in the twenty five, twenty six doubles, whatever.
Speaker 2: He has now pretty awesome. So can he get to
Speaker 2: where your boy Hanley was in nine? Offensively? He's definitely
Speaker 2: already there and passed him defensively because Hanley wasn't great
Speaker 2: defensively for most of his career. But offensively, can Otto
Speaker 2: get to where Henley was that year on nine?
Speaker 5: I mean the extra base hits and the impact that
Speaker 5: Otto's bat has been able to contribute this year is
Speaker 5: what's really separated him from what we thought he could
Speaker 5: be a couple of years back or last year. Because
Speaker 5: holy crowd, the guy's slugging over five hundred. These are
Speaker 5: Bryce Harper type numbers when you compare him to Hanley.
Speaker 5: I don't want to compare the two because Handley in
Speaker 5: two thousand and nine was arguably the best player in baseball.
Speaker 4: Right he lost the MVP to of prime.
Speaker 5: Elbert pool Holes, he was legitimately the best player in baseball,
Speaker 5: one of the best player, a top five player in
Speaker 5: baseball at the worse.
Speaker 4: So it's hard for me to compare the two immediately.
Speaker 5: But with Auto Lopez, just the fact that we're even
Speaker 5: having this discussion off from a waiver claim, it's just incredible.
Speaker 5: The fact that the WRC plus damn near similar, the
Speaker 5: batting average identical, and they're both slunking in the high
Speaker 5: five hundreds and the low five hundred. They should say so,
Speaker 5: Like I said, just the fact that it's even a discussion.
Speaker 5: With the amount of extra base hits Auto is bringing
Speaker 5: in as well as the goal glove defense, he's.
Speaker 4: Become a hell a valuable player.
Speaker 5: I believe he just eclipsed four f war on the season,
Speaker 5: and there's still a whole other but three months left
Speaker 5: of baseball games being played, so I'm really excited to see.
Speaker 4: I believe Hanley accumulated seven point.
Speaker 5: Two war on in two thousand and nine, so it's
Speaker 5: not far off that Auto could eclipse him in that way.
Speaker 1: I was riding up the Auto All Star piece, you know,
Speaker 1: and if you look at single seasons, there's four from
Speaker 1: Handley and then Auto's right behind him. So in terms
Speaker 1: of in terms of b war so he's got an
Speaker 1: opportunity to really semment himself into a really good spot.
Speaker 1: And I think he has the third most B war
Speaker 1: among Marlins shortstops, you know, career, so it's behind Handley
Speaker 1: at the top. Figure out. But the season Auto is
Speaker 1: having is just incredible, and you're finally starting to see
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a power surge. Despite the
Speaker 1: ballparks they played in this road trip, still get to
Speaker 1: see and defensively, after a slow start, he really just
Speaker 1: got it going. I mean, Auto, the season he's had
Speaker 1: is one of the best we've seen in a very
Speaker 1: long time. And I think you're reaching a point where
Speaker 1: Otto I'm not gonna say he's gonna win an MVP.
Speaker 1: He will not show his his there. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that are there, but to say lower top ten,
Speaker 1: that's not crazy to think, right, I mean, he's putting
Speaker 1: up one of the best seasons in this franchise history.
Speaker 1: He's one of the best shortstops in the National League.
Speaker 1: He should have been starting the All Star Game. He
Speaker 1: could have made the case score and at least to
Speaker 1: be one of the finalists to start. So yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, and this this series only cemented as All
Speaker 1: Star Case.
Speaker 7: I haven't seen a whole lot is like people, I
Speaker 7: think it's useful to contextualize what Otto's doing this year
Speaker 7: compared to like so Towers last year, because Tours had
Speaker 7: this very fascinating breakout campaign and he had I would
Speaker 7: say that the shape of his production looked a lot different.
Speaker 7: With Towers. He got off to a pretty good start
Speaker 7: and then he had a very deep slump in like
Speaker 7: late May and first half of June, and then he
Speaker 7: caught absolute fire after that, one National League Player of
Speaker 7: the Month in July his last fully healthy month. Whereas
Speaker 7: with Auto it's just been freakishly consistent. And the stat
Speaker 7: that I still think is it's so simple, but he
Speaker 7: had so important. He has hits in every single series
Speaker 7: this entire season. It's hard enough to play in every
Speaker 7: single series entire seasons hits in most cases several hits.
Speaker 7: In this particular series it must have been six or
Speaker 7: seven hits, including but most of those were extra bases.
Speaker 7: He's just been that's to me, that's the aspect of
Speaker 7: the game. The simple like hit tool, I do not
Speaker 7: think was anywhere close to I forget, like an eighty
Speaker 7: grade hit tool, but even sixty five seventy seemed extremely
Speaker 7: extremely optimistic. And that's kind of what he's playing at
Speaker 7: this year is an elite hit tool to go along
Speaker 7: with above average power, to go along with his continued
Speaker 7: plus base running, to go along with his above average
Speaker 7: defense at a premium position. So I mean, as impressive
Speaker 7: as Stowers was, as many people that were wanted him
Speaker 7: to be an extension candidate, wanted him to be a
Speaker 7: face of a franchise, and he's now heating up and
Speaker 7: playing really well on his own. What Otto is doing
Speaker 7: is significantly more impressive, and I think that's just being
Speaker 7: born out in the most basic way. In terms of
Speaker 7: his overall value wins above replacement. He's ready to produce
Speaker 7: more war this year than Stowers did all last year
Speaker 7: by a healthy margin. And that's where he compares pretty
Speaker 7: favorably to Handley on pace to kind of have the
Speaker 7: same war output that Handley had at his very best season. Yeah,
Speaker 7: this is just there's really no way to overstate what
Speaker 7: a big difference that has made with this Marlins team, from
Speaker 7: him going to a solid placeholder shortstop to going to
Speaker 7: I think unquestionably the best shortstop in the National League
Speaker 7: so far this season. It's been amazing.
Speaker 2: Jerd I who was out on cipher two of these
Speaker 2: games in in Sacramento, West Coast coverage for Fish on first,
Speaker 2: which is great to see. Uh So, Jeremy, we're talking
Speaker 2: about Auto. I know you get a chance to talk
Speaker 2: to him about what the All Star Game means to him.
Speaker 2: So we were just going over where this he's this
Speaker 2: season for him could stand in terms of like greatest
Speaker 2: seasons ever by a Marlin shortstopp talking about Hanley and others.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just how he took the news for the
Speaker 2: All Star Game. We saw your interviews with him, but
Speaker 2: know you were there, so obviously awesome for him. And
Speaker 2: as Isaac was mentioning, turning a guy a waiver claim
Speaker 2: into an All Star by the Marlins just absolutely amazing
Speaker 2: what Bendix has done with some of these guys they
Speaker 2: pretty much find out nowhere Hicks, Auto and others. But yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead, how did uh? How did How was Auto's
Speaker 2: demeanor this this series?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was having fun and was just super grateful,
Speaker 6: super happy that he was an All Star. I mean
Speaker 6: there was that that like smile on his face. Just
Speaker 6: to have the privilege of going to the nash League
Speaker 6: All Star roster and participate hopefully in that game. It's
Speaker 6: a special thing for him. He told me he bought
Speaker 6: his suit two weeks ago. He had a feeling and
Speaker 6: you know, his face lit up when he was talking about,
Speaker 6: you know, red carpet, the festivities that go.
Speaker 4: On, and it's well deserved.
Speaker 6: I mean, the day he finds out he's named to
Speaker 6: an All Star game, he goes out and collects another
Speaker 6: three hits, another double, another home run. I mean, the
Speaker 6: guy is on fire. And there's no better shortstop in
Speaker 6: the National League. I'm gonna go ahead and say that
Speaker 6: right now. You could say C. J. Abrams, But for
Speaker 6: my money, the starter should be Auto Lopez. And it's
Speaker 6: a shame that he's not. But he's he's excited and
Speaker 6: it's so well deserved for him, so happy for him.
Speaker 2: We didn't see Max in this series, but I want
Speaker 2: to get to him ju He gets the nod in
Speaker 2: the All Star Game as well, first of his career.
Speaker 2: Brown's proved a lot of people wrong with this one,
Speaker 2: and I'll kid myself in the in the talk. Not
Speaker 2: only I think that Meyer wouldn't be a I didn't
Speaker 2: even think league average starter, and they turned him into
Speaker 2: an All Star pitcher and the best pitcher in this
Speaker 2: rotation so far this season. Just amazing. Not only to
Speaker 2: be able to solve him mechanically and to add the
Speaker 2: sweeper and everything like that, but also to solve him mentally,
Speaker 2: I think was a task for the Marlins. And not
Speaker 2: only did they do the pitch and usage thing and
Speaker 2: give him that that new pitch that they teach to
Speaker 2: so many pitchers, so gracefully they figured this player out
Speaker 2: with what he needs mentally, and I think that that
Speaker 2: can't be left unsaid. So I don't think any of
Speaker 2: us ever expected the day to come where we would
Speaker 2: have said Max Meyer all Star starting pitcher. Pretty amazing
Speaker 2: and another testament to pitching development all throughout this organization.
Speaker 2: They do it at the miners, they do it at
Speaker 2: the majors. The Marlins are very good at pitching development,
Speaker 2: and this is no exception. Nate, go ahead, Max.
Speaker 3: Meyer, Yeah, exactly what you said with pitching development, man.
Speaker 3: I mean I think what two or three years ago,
Speaker 3: like you said, we would have said that Max mar
Speaker 3: being All Star coming twenty twenty six, and even last year,
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone would have believed you after that
Speaker 3: blow up Rocky start the beginning of June. So I
Speaker 3: think we've all been on it for the past couple
Speaker 3: of years that this guy just misches up his pitchment
Speaker 3: a little bit, stops relying too much on that slider.
Speaker 4: Then it's been magic pretty much for him.
Speaker 3: Developing that sweeper to play off that slider in his
Speaker 3: fastball has also been looking improved as well, has been huge.
Speaker 3: I think something underrated don't really talk about when we
Speaker 3: discuss Matt's is the pitch talung from the dugout. I
Speaker 3: think that's just taking a load off of his mind.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to worry about throwing the perfect pitch
Speaker 3: forever that he trusts, you know, a guy like Rob
Speaker 3: Marcelo to put himself in the best situation it is
Speaker 3: to get out, and he's been great.
Speaker 4: His mental forth two.
Speaker 3: I think has come a long way as well, and
Speaker 3: even saw it in his in the speech at the
Speaker 3: Marlins posted yesterday that he's finally healthy. He said that,
Speaker 3: you know, he probably thought he'd be choked by now
Speaker 3: we're on the il or something. But the fact that
Speaker 3: this guy has been able to be healthy, super durable.
Speaker 3: I think he's what fifth in the national leading innings pitched,
Speaker 3: exactly what the Marlins needed, especially with Sandy you know,
Speaker 3: still David new innings, but I guess as a late
Speaker 3: production has been there, but he's been inconsistent for the
Speaker 3: past few years, as we all know. So the fact
Speaker 3: that Matt has been doing this has been incredibly bid
Speaker 3: for this team and is a huge reason is why
Speaker 3: they're you know, seven games under at this point in the
Speaker 3: year or seven games over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you dive into that development, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the big things is the addition of the
Speaker 1: sweeper that that pitch is still is technically by run value,
Speaker 1: his second best one. But you know, with the slider
Speaker 1: with a plus nine run value, which is one of
Speaker 1: the best pitch sliders in baseball, and then the sweepers
Speaker 1: at plus four, which is still great, it's still way
Speaker 1: above the gaverage.
Speaker 4: You'll take that.
Speaker 1: I think the big thing too, is the fastball. Clayton
Speaker 1: admitted this multiple times on scrums where Max's fastball just
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. The for sing wasn't good enough, so
Speaker 1: they had the singer to compliment it a little bit.
Speaker 1: The sinker stool has not been a good pitch in
Speaker 1: terms of run value, but it gets a job done.
Speaker 1: And the fastball has been better, still not great, but
Speaker 1: still much better. Been a huge help. But the addition
Speaker 1: of the sweeper has really been the big change for him.
Speaker 1: I think that's been by far the biggest adjustment. If
Speaker 1: you have to pinpoint one thing, it's that. And then
Speaker 1: what Carver said is one hundred percent true the mental
Speaker 1: side of it, and great call by night with the pitchcolling.
Speaker 1: I mean he's noted that multiple times himself, where he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to think too much. Now he just goes
Speaker 1: out there and he gets the signed and he throws
Speaker 1: like that's really about it. So yeah, good stuff from Max.
Speaker 1: I know he unfortunately took his first loss. That was
Speaker 1: a big thing this year, the nine to zero record,
Speaker 1: But Isaac's bold predictions off to a good start. Hopefully,
Speaker 1: it ends. I think, what'd you say, Isaac. Fifteen wins
Speaker 1: for Max this year, so he's got he's got some time.
Speaker 7: Ye, he's well on pace to get there. We should
Speaker 7: before go break, we should check in with Jeremia again.
Speaker 7: Even though we kind of went into detail on Ury
Speaker 7: and the decision, Jeremiah was the one in the clubhouse
Speaker 7: that gots to hear from Clayton and Uri afterwards. So
Speaker 7: if he could give us a quick, quick synopsis about
Speaker 7: I guess Clayton's explanation and then Ury's reaction to being
Speaker 7: pulled in the middle of perfection.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Clayton acknowledged he he knew what was going on obviously
Speaker 6: that he wanted to leave Uri out there, but he
Speaker 6: also said that it was a predetermined decision. He said,
Speaker 6: ninety pitches going into the eighth inning, it was a
Speaker 6: foregone conclusion he was going to be taken out. I
Speaker 6: asked Uri if he had any conversation with Clayton regarding
Speaker 6: the decision, if there was any pushback, and Yuri said
Speaker 6: he understood. He said, I told Clayton I understand, and
Speaker 6: there was no attempt to stay in the game. Clayton
Speaker 6: just kind of acknowledged like, yeah, I understood the gravity
Speaker 6: of the situation, and a part of me did want
Speaker 6: to leave him out there.
Speaker 4: But we have a plan. I'm going to stick to
Speaker 4: that plan, and that's how it is. It's just funny
Speaker 4: that Marlin's pr got to uri too quick. They got
Speaker 4: to him real quick there. It's unfortunately, you know, Hey,
Speaker 4: that's fun.
Speaker 5: And the predetermined rule ninety pitches in the eighth inning,
Speaker 5: you're done.
Speaker 4: So what ninety pitchers means the same as ninety nine pitches? Like, really,
Speaker 4: it's just some arbitrary number like that.
Speaker 5: I don't like.
Speaker 4: I don't really love that explanation though, because.
Speaker 1: That's the point where you need to have feel like that,
Speaker 1: fuck that go out.
Speaker 2: And so how do you plans change? Like, if there
Speaker 2: were any situation for your plan predetermined plan to change.
Speaker 2: That is one of the only situations in which you
Speaker 2: could say the plan has to change. And that comes
Speaker 2: from Clayton, it comes from Bendex or whoever else is
Speaker 2: making these decisions, you medical, whatever it is, you have
Speaker 2: to change your plans when something like that is happening.
Speaker 2: There's just far too much more reward than there is
Speaker 2: to the risk. You have to change that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna say this that, in my opinion, you
Speaker 6: throw them out there for the eighth. You let him
Speaker 6: go hitter for hitter. If he loses the perfect game,
Speaker 6: you make that decision. But we're on the verge of
Speaker 6: witnessing history. And the entire stadium wanted to see history
Speaker 6: made amy. The A's fans were screaming and booing. It
Speaker 6: was loud from the press box. And and and what
Speaker 6: also I have to say, is Ury Ury audibly or
Speaker 6: I could see URI's emotion and how how he was
Speaker 6: just in a groove all day long and the A's
Speaker 6: hitters had no chance. There wasn't one hit that I
Speaker 6: felt like, Oh, Ury got super lucky, you know, I
Speaker 6: mean it was weak contact, it was strikeouts, those guys
Speaker 6: rolling over. And you know, we're never gonna know if
Speaker 6: Ury could have finished the perfect game.
Speaker 4: We're never gonna know because.
Speaker 6: The next hitter, Lake Baker walks Lawrence Butler, and you know,
Speaker 6: the rest is history. But I'm always gonna wonder, I
Speaker 6: really am.
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Speaker 2: Nack. Here on fish on First Live to recap the
Speaker 2: rest of the series and preview. With the Mariners series
Speaker 2: coming up back at home starting later this week, we'll
Speaker 2: move past Urie talk and All Star talk. We hit
Speaker 2: on Max and Auto and their rightful selections to the
Speaker 2: All Star Game, which will be awesome. Kevin, You'll be
Speaker 2: there to see how suld be cool. We'll talk about Sandy.
Speaker 2: We talked about wins for Max and how he racked
Speaker 2: him up. I mean, Sandy, here he comes again. I
Speaker 2: mean he's racked up what's seven in a row, and
Speaker 2: it's been pretty damn well deserved. I mean, he hasn't
Speaker 2: lost a game in a while. And one of the
Speaker 2: key cogs in what the Marlins were able to do
Speaker 2: in June was Sandy out there every fifth day getting
Speaker 2: a dub. So pretty cool for Sandy. I think this
Speaker 2: start it showed a lot of the reason why he's
Speaker 2: an ace. He throws out a twenty pitch first and
Speaker 2: somehow pitches through the eighth inning. I mean that's the
Speaker 2: stuff of aces. You know, after a long first inning,
Speaker 2: to go deep in a game, you're going to have
Speaker 2: to be economical with your pitches, not only in one inning,
Speaker 2: but probably in a few innings, and he had what
Speaker 2: three innings under nine pitches, which is just incredible. It
Speaker 2: wasn't all about the strikeout. There were some of those
Speaker 2: really just a zone pounding stuff from Sandy. Here it is,
Speaker 2: come get it. You're not gonna hit it, so I
Speaker 2: don't care. Got some whists as well, but really was
Speaker 2: purposely all around the strike zone, particularly with sinkers. This
Speaker 2: sinker heavy in the start, but that's okay. We really
Speaker 2: only saw the change up versus left the other side
Speaker 2: of the plate, so I mean he was really just
Speaker 2: coming right at guys and it worked and he pitched
Speaker 2: into the eighth inning and showed why he's still a
Speaker 2: cy Young Award winner. So incredible start for Sandy, especially
Speaker 2: after that rough first. I was like, okay, probably gonna
Speaker 2: need the bullpen, and you barely needed it. So thoughts
Speaker 2: on Sandy and this one, like go ahead.
Speaker 7: You covered it well. Where I do feel like I've
Speaker 7: seen that script a bunch of times during Sandy's career
Speaker 7: where it doesn't necessarily look like he has it all
Speaker 7: working early on, and then he just he just figures
Speaker 7: it out, he makes adjustments. Doesn't really get as much
Speaker 7: credit as he probably should for being as cerebral of
Speaker 7: a picture as he is and being as adaptable as
Speaker 7: he is, and now in this era, in this Bendix
Speaker 7: era of pitchcollng from the dugout, it's not all on
Speaker 7: him to make those adjustments. Part of it is to
Speaker 7: help from the pitching coaches as well, but as a
Speaker 7: collaborative group, it's been working out. And this was great
Speaker 7: Like this, Honestly, his performance wasn't all that far removed
Speaker 7: from what Yuri was doing just in terms of quality.
Speaker 7: I mean, the results weren't close to perfect, but there
Speaker 7: was a shoutout going into that eighth inning that I
Speaker 7: had felt like there was a decent chance that he
Speaker 7: was going to finish that game all by himself, just yesterday,
Speaker 7: and also in the same situation, given that he had
Speaker 7: a very healthy lead to work with. Understandably, that's a
Speaker 7: big elements when it comes to looking at this long
Speaker 7: win streak that he has, one that wasn't even match
Speaker 7: during his cy Young year. I tweeted that out. I
Speaker 7: want to bring it up again that he not even
Speaker 7: during his cy Young year did he have a streak
Speaker 7: like this, seven consecutive starts of his at the team won.
Speaker 7: Forget him, he's gotten the winning decision in all those games,
Speaker 7: but even just the Marlins winning seven straight Sandy starts
Speaker 7: had been unprecedented until this streak. And during that streak
Speaker 7: that he've been scoring upwards of seven runs per game.
Speaker 7: This has been a very average offensive performance behind him
Speaker 7: since the start of June that he's had, so that
Speaker 7: naturally helps a lot. It's just good to see, you
Speaker 7: feel I mean, all overall, you just feel good for
Speaker 7: the guy because he's had to especially early in his career.
Speaker 7: I remember how much of a narrative it was that
Speaker 7: he was doing it all by himself, that he was
Speaker 7: losing games in spite of great pitching, just because the
Speaker 7: run sport was right into the very bottom of the league.
Speaker 7: Like we've experienced both ends of that, and so this
Speaker 7: is a very refreshing change for him. It's something that
Speaker 7: he's certainly not familiar with that this kind of support,
Speaker 7: and it speaks to just how well the team is
Speaker 7: playing overall, that offensively, this is on pace overall, of course,
Speaker 7: this is on pace to be one of the best
Speaker 7: teams in Marlin's history. But offensively, it's that seems like
Speaker 7: even more secure that this really is a top at
Speaker 7: worst the top three offense in the team's history now,
Speaker 7: just the depth that they have and the improvement that
Speaker 7: they've had today. For example against left handed pitching. Remember
Speaker 7: that was a story early in the year that at
Speaker 7: least against lefties you could beat up this team, you
Speaker 7: could force when they were sitting some key guys, they
Speaker 7: wouldn't get nearly the same production from the platoon players
Speaker 7: that were coming in, and that trends has kind of
Speaker 7: been squashed as this year has gone on. So to me,
Speaker 7: like that's as good as the starting pitching has been.
Speaker 7: To me, the offense is top of mind. The fact
Speaker 7: that they have during this road trip, they really lit
Speaker 7: it up. Even you could use all the qualifiers you want,
Speaker 7: but offensively, this has been a stretch that we've just
Speaker 7: rarely seen in Marlin's history, and it's really encouraging moving forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, just Sandy being in the middle
Speaker 2: of it. It has to be that way, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: so it's only right that that happens. So I thought that,
Speaker 2: like we said, a really good start this last time
Speaker 2: out for Sandy, and you know, even if it didn't
Speaker 2: look that way at first, to make that happen and
Speaker 2: to just just make it work and make it happen
Speaker 2: no matter what you have to do, no matter which
Speaker 2: way you have to pitch guys, is Sandy in a nutshell.
Speaker 2: He's he's gonna do everything you can to get the
Speaker 2: job done and did it well in this one. I
Speaker 2: want to head on one more guy, singular player before
Speaker 2: we uh move on from the series. I wanted to
Speaker 2: hit on two more, but we went a little long
Speaker 2: on Uri, understandably so, so I one end on Jill Mack,
Speaker 2: who had a fantastic West Coast swing. We only saw
Speaker 2: him really in two games in this series, but he
Speaker 2: did it a home run, actually hit three home runs
Speaker 2: on this road trip, which is awesome. You're starting to
Speaker 2: see the offense show up. Took him a little while.
Speaker 2: I mean, with any young player, it's going to happen,
Speaker 2: especially a catcher, but you're starting to see what this
Speaker 2: guy can do with the bag. He's been a little
Speaker 2: bit more patient, He's been able to drive pitches a
Speaker 2: little bit better. The swings are looking better all the
Speaker 2: time for him, and the defense just continues So you know,
Speaker 2: we've thrown this talk around for a while about extension
Speaker 2: candidates to the Marlins. We've talked about Paris, We've talked
Speaker 2: about Marcy at one time. We've talked about you know,
Speaker 2: a few of Thomas White. I even mentioned as a guy,
Speaker 2: maybe even before he makes his debut, which would be historical.
Speaker 2: But I think the the most obvious answer to the
Speaker 2: question of who do the Marlins extend, If there's gonna
Speaker 2: be one guy, it has to be this player. This
Speaker 2: is a franchise cornerstone. I liken him to a lefty
Speaker 2: hitting J. C. Rerel Muto, which is a cornerstone catcher.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit that too soon to
Speaker 2: say he's Yati Malina. I've seen that comparison as well,
Speaker 2: But I really like him as a true defensive catcher
Speaker 2: who is going to hit for a good average of
Speaker 2: good power. I think that he really could get to
Speaker 2: a ceiling likened to JT. Real Muto. That's my opinion.
Speaker 2: So my question to you guys, Kevin, I'll let you
Speaker 2: go on this one. Do they extend Joe Mack, Why
Speaker 2: should they and when should they do it?
Speaker 1: Will they extend Joe Mack I don't know, should they
Speaker 1: extend Joe Mack? Hell yeah, and yeah, our friend Lewis
Speaker 1: Adeo weis frowly at the Yaudi comp after a saying
Speaker 1: that Joe Mac had no aura is something but apology
Speaker 1: piece from him coming soon by the way, But yeah, no.
Speaker 1: Since the start of June, Joe Mack is raking. He
Speaker 1: has a nineteen sixty two oh ps that doesn't include
Speaker 1: today's game. I don't even think I don't think he
Speaker 1: ended up taking it a bat but two ninety nine
Speaker 1: batting average, like what he's doing is truly impressive. And
Speaker 1: you know, even if he wasn't posting a nine hundred
Speaker 1: some and ops like the.
Speaker 2: Fact the plate.
Speaker 4: Oh great existed.
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, no, great stuff for Mac and phenomenal
Speaker 1: month of June. He probably should have been up there
Speaker 1: for Rookie of the Month just the way he played.
Speaker 1: And we're starting to finally see the power coming a
Speaker 1: little bit more too, which is great. And I think
Speaker 1: we always said this, you know, the it would the
Speaker 1: icing on the cake with this whole thing would be
Speaker 1: that Joe Mack. You know, his bat translates from what
Speaker 1: we saw in the minor leagues to now and that's
Speaker 1: been the case so far. And this is this is
Speaker 1: probably the best, you know, best case scenario in terms
Speaker 1: of what the Marins expected from Mac, because he could
Speaker 1: have expected him to continue to struggle the way he
Speaker 1: was early on, but he really he really kept it
Speaker 1: going and and he really just kept improving. So shout
Speaker 1: out to him. This is one of the best defensive
Speaker 1: catchers Martins with that in a very long time. And
Speaker 1: just the way like just watching games, it feels so
Speaker 1: much more comforting knowing that Mac is back there and
Speaker 1: what a guy runs in all likelihood, you know, the
Speaker 1: guys want to steal second is gonna get thrown out.
Speaker 1: I think Mac has like fourteen or fifteen caught steelings
Speaker 1: already this season, and maybe sixteen already. But like the
Speaker 1: season he had he's having is just impressive. And shout
Speaker 1: out to him, and yeah, I would extend them easily, Carver,
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. He should be the Martins
Speaker 1: extension candidate. And he's young, he's he's still I know,
Speaker 1: he's got years left. So maybe the Marmins want to
Speaker 1: play those out. But when you have a guy like
Speaker 1: Joe Mack and you have catcher and you have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to extend a young player, and not just this
Speaker 1: extended for the baseball stuff of it, but just for
Speaker 1: like the fact that it would win over a fan base.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's something that you'll do.
Speaker 5: What I will say about Joe mack He's actually he's
Speaker 5: thrown out sixteen runners trying to steal so far this year,
Speaker 5: which is just incredible. I think he's got to be
Speaker 5: one of the most valuable assets that the team has
Speaker 5: had in a very long time in terms of just age,
Speaker 5: arbitration status, how much money he's making, and immediate impact
Speaker 5: to their major league team. I know ELI put out
Speaker 5: a piece a while ago the most valuable players in
Speaker 5: the whole organization major League in Minor League two, and
Speaker 5: I Thomas White was up there at twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: Yeui Price, for example, would be high up there.
Speaker 4: But Joe Mack.
Speaker 5: Holy the Marlins have a real diamond here, and I
Speaker 5: don't know if they'll be able to extend him. I'm
Speaker 5: not sure if you do it just to win over
Speaker 5: a fan base, you don't do that either. However, this
Speaker 5: is he has not looked overmatched in the major leagues,
Speaker 5: and the slightest maybe he is adjusting back to major
Speaker 5: league pitching after he looked a little bit overwhelmed in
Speaker 5: his first month or so, and he's adjusted back. We'll
Speaker 5: see what happens when the league adjusts back as well.
Speaker 5: But he has just looked so comfortable behind the dish
Speaker 5: in every facet of catching and as well in the
Speaker 5: batter's box that he looks just as good as he
Speaker 5: did in Triple A and hitting wise. So if you
Speaker 5: had a real valuable guy here, and it's said, gonna
Speaker 5: be really curious to see what they do with him. Remember,
Speaker 5: he was a high school catching draft picks, so those
Speaker 5: are usually rare, so they do. He's pretty young, and
Speaker 5: if they didn't want to extend him, it would be swell.
Speaker 5: But they have him through twenty twenty, twenty thirty three.
Speaker 5: So yeah, like I said, I think one of the
Speaker 5: most valuable assets that this team has had in a
Speaker 5: long time.
Speaker 1: Valuable assets are expensive assets, too, so it would take
Speaker 1: a pretty I would assume a pretty big number to
Speaker 1: extend them. I don't know, maybe this early on, but
Speaker 1: if he keeps doing what he's doing, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: in a year it's gonna get tough.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's part of my off season Polueprint who extend
Speaker 7: him before his debut, And I don't think there was
Speaker 7: a whole lot of people on the same boat with
Speaker 7: me with that, given that Gus was already at the
Speaker 7: major league level and that Mac had had some inconsistencies
Speaker 7: in his minor league career. To me, it always made
Speaker 7: a lot of sense. Although the interesting complication is that
Speaker 7: it's gonna be very hard to find another catcher that
Speaker 7: you really love if it's not him. If he's not
Speaker 7: the guy, they're so few alternatives that reach the open
Speaker 7: market because the other side of that coin is that
Speaker 7: this is a position that ages more quickly than most
Speaker 7: others once guys are free and eligible. In his case,
Speaker 7: he'd be reaching free agency right around I think his
Speaker 7: thirtieth birthday, right after he turned thirty, and catchers, a
Speaker 7: lot of catchers are already well into decline. Like some
Speaker 7: of them, their peak just doesn't align with the typical
Speaker 7: position players, just due to the physical demands of the position,
Speaker 7: where a lot of guys, once they are free agent
Speaker 7: eligible at the catcher position, they're just not all that interesting.
Speaker 7: It will be a long time between before somebody gets
Speaker 7: like the average annual value that real Muto God is
Speaker 7: a free agent, he was kind of a big exception
Speaker 7: to that norm. But for most guys, you look at
Speaker 7: free agency almost every year, and the catcher lists are
Speaker 7: guys that you consider more so as backups, are guys
Speaker 7: that we don't fully trust defensively anymore, ones that are
Speaker 7: closer to a part time DH. I remember when Mitch
Speaker 7: Garver was a free agent a few years ago and
Speaker 7: Marlins fans are so excited about Mitch Garver, Mitch Carver,
Speaker 7: Mitch Garver, and he ends up getting like a modest
Speaker 7: two year deal from the Mariners and ends up really
Speaker 7: underperforming even that deal, And that was like the jewel
Speaker 7: of the available catchers that year. And of course the
Speaker 7: excepdment even before that for Jacob Stallings, and they traded
Speaker 7: for Jacob Stallings and he was ready into his early
Speaker 7: thirties and his career immediately imploded once they acquired him
Speaker 7: at that stage. So with that being said, they already
Speaker 7: have control over him through his entire twenties, and that
Speaker 7: kind of takes away some of the urgency to extend him.
Speaker 7: But again, with all that being said, I was on
Speaker 7: this page. I was on this train even before he debuted.
Speaker 7: I think that he is exceptional enough that you really
Speaker 7: want to buy out as much of his entire career
Speaker 7: as possible. I think he is a very well rounded player,
Speaker 7: not a perfect player, still gonna have some limitations in
Speaker 7: the batting average department and therefore the on base department,
Speaker 7: but the defense has been exactly as good as advertised.
Speaker 7: Today's pass ball notwithstanding, I don't think people are gonna
Speaker 7: remember that. They're gonna remember the Fairbanks struggling and Baker struggling.
Speaker 7: They're not gonna remember Joe Mack behind the plate in
Speaker 7: the ninth inning making things a little bit more tense
Speaker 7: than he needed to be. He's an awesome defensive player,
Speaker 7: really under he really gets it, I think in more
Speaker 7: ways than one. So, yeah, they're in good shape that
Speaker 7: they have him. It's a It really is a such
Speaker 7: a dramatic change, even from a year ago. Just because
Speaker 7: you trust him defensively at the position first and so
Speaker 7: far as beginning, you a lot of extra value with
Speaker 7: the bat as well. So it's been it's been. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he's overperformed, if that was possible.
Speaker 2: One other thing that we may forget about this last game,
Speaker 2: that just happened, and this is the last thing that
Speaker 2: we'll get to. We could be brief on this, guys
Speaker 2: before we hit the Seattle, and we'll be brief on
Speaker 2: that too before a prediction time. But one more thing
Speaker 2: I want to get to that people may forget, is
Speaker 2: it Jacob Marcy is injured. He got hit by a
Speaker 2: pitch in this game and it looked like it went
Speaker 2: off his knee or something, and he was removed from
Speaker 2: this game. So I already wanted to talk about Marci,
Speaker 2: you know which I mean to his credit has looked
Speaker 2: slightly better in his last couple of the bats, but
Speaker 2: it's still a struggle a lot of times that he's
Speaker 2: at the plate, so he's had a whole first half
Speaker 2: to do it. I hope he's okay, and he's not
Speaker 2: like he can come back and he's okay for this
Speaker 2: upcoming series. We'll find out on that. But I did
Speaker 2: want to hit on him regardless, you know, if he
Speaker 2: does have to go to the Ale or not. I
Speaker 2: guess if he does, it's even more of a point
Speaker 2: to bring up what do the Marlins do with that position?
Speaker 2: Which is a hole? Not defensively it's not a hole,
Speaker 2: but offensively, that position is a true hole right now
Speaker 2: with how Draco Marci is still struggling. So if the
Speaker 2: Marlins are true buyers at the deadline, is this a
Speaker 2: position that they address to get Marcie the time he
Speaker 2: needs in the miners And and you know, is it
Speaker 2: a priority for them? And can they fill it? And
Speaker 2: who would they fill it with? So, Isaaca, I'll hit
Speaker 2: with you on this. I know you're you're always up
Speaker 2: on the roster move talk and tree talk and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So I want to I want to ask
Speaker 2: you that is this a priority for them? I mean,
Speaker 2: this is still a player that can be good. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think it's a player that needs to figure it
Speaker 2: out in the miners, as do a few others. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's been given the whole first half and he's still
Speaker 2: not very good at the play offensively. Defensively different story,
Speaker 2: he's very good. The Marlins in the system, as you know,
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of true center fielders close unless
Speaker 2: you rush cam Canerella, which I don't think they will do.
Speaker 2: So would they look outside of the organization for a
Speaker 2: center fielder at the deadline?
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, most certainly they won't be looking to replace
Speaker 5: that position this deadline anyway, maybe in the offseason you
Speaker 5: could look at a stopgap option. But I do know
Speaker 5: that they're very, very fond of their double A outfield
Speaker 5: with Jones, Lewis, and Kinderella. I think at least one
Speaker 5: of those will be big League ready by next year,
Speaker 5: probably not Lewis, And so to me, they're not worried
Speaker 5: in the slightest about Marcy's still I think he has
Speaker 5: sort of tempered their expectations coming off that awesome August
Speaker 5: and I'm not going to say second half because it
Speaker 5: really just was the month of August that was spectacular
Speaker 5: for Marcie. In this case, he's still getting on base
Speaker 5: a little bit, he's still providing value on his defense,
Speaker 5: still providing value on the bases. However, Yeah, it is
Speaker 5: he is certainly the weak link in that lineup most
Speaker 5: of the time against right handed pitching that Marlins have
Speaker 5: brought him down from ladoff spot in the number three
Speaker 5: spot all the way down to seven to eight regularly now,
Speaker 5: so you're seeing them sort of lose a little bit
Speaker 5: of faith there. But I think he's still their guy.
Speaker 5: He's going to be their guy throughout the rest of
Speaker 5: the season, no doubt.
Speaker 4: About it.
Speaker 5: I don't see them demoting him, and I don't see
Speaker 5: them going outside the organization for any outfielders. To be
Speaker 5: honest with you, I think, like I said, they're really
Speaker 5: really fun of those Double A outfielders they have in Pensacola,
Speaker 5: and I think this is a good problem to have that, Hey,
Speaker 5: one of your twelve position.
Speaker 4: Players that are good is not playing so well. So
Speaker 4: I think they're okay with what's going on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we will talk about the minor
Speaker 1: league zoning enough, and I think it's the time we do,
Speaker 1: because Kim Canerella is on a here like that guy
Speaker 1: has done to Double A and feels like he knows
Speaker 1: the level perfectly. He's been almost perfect. Like, we choose
Speaker 1: a prospect of the week every week, and Kim Canerella
Speaker 1: should get it again this week, if I'm being totally
Speaker 1: honest with you, at the rate he's going, but just
Speaker 1: to be fair, we have to choose a different guy.
Speaker 1: We're gonna choose a different guy each week. I think
Speaker 1: Carver would agree with that. But at the rate that
Speaker 1: this guy's going, what else does this guy have to
Speaker 1: prove in Double A? And I guess we could pose
Speaker 1: the question all of you guys, like, if he keeps
Speaker 1: this up and you know, the defense is good, Like,
Speaker 1: at what point do you think this guy should be
Speaker 1: a major leaguer because like it's a legit question to
Speaker 1: ask at the rate that he's going, and it's not
Speaker 1: like he's striking out thirty percent of the time or
Speaker 1: anything like, like he's walking, he's getting on base. The
Speaker 1: powers there, you know, the powers actually like an added
Speaker 1: thing that you'd love to see. But like the Hitsol
Speaker 1: has been great since he's got to the Marlins. The
Speaker 1: injuries have been the big issue with him, and he's
Speaker 1: been healthy for over a month now, I think, so,
Speaker 1: like Carver, if you want to go, but like this,
Speaker 1: this is like, this is a guy who you could
Speaker 1: probably promote the triple A. And you can even make
Speaker 1: the argument that he could jump Triple I straight to
Speaker 1: the digs at the rate that he's going, because we've
Speaker 1: already discussed this many times. The actual competition level from
Speaker 1: double to triple is not the biggest or you know,
Speaker 1: but like, if the Marlins find themselves in a position
Speaker 1: where they need they need to address this position somehow.
Speaker 1: If Marcia keeps struggling and Ruiz really isn't the answer there.
Speaker 1: Kim Catarella is an option for this team.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I would agree with isaca Is that
Speaker 2: it would be a very short term answer if they
Speaker 2: did decide to go outside of the order, because they
Speaker 2: are very high on all three of those guys. I
Speaker 2: think that that two of those guys, Trimble and Lewis
Speaker 2: will be corner guys, whereas I think Canerella will be
Speaker 2: a true center fielder. So and he's close. So I mean,
Speaker 2: is there a real reason to go Rent right now?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you really think you're in contention, you
Speaker 2: could go Rent Dalton varshow But I don't think they
Speaker 2: will either. But I have that question post to me
Speaker 2: a couple of times, what do you do with Marcy?
Speaker 2: And I would agree withize. I think that they will
Speaker 2: make do with him there without sacrificing those great, those
Speaker 2: great prospects that they were very high on. So I
Speaker 2: don't know if anybody else any other thoughts on that
Speaker 2: before we go to a final break.
Speaker 6: Yeah, really quick, Carver, Yeah, if it comes down to Marcie,
Speaker 6: he's played all the time. I mean, now we're approaching
Speaker 6: the All Star break. I mean, so first half of
Speaker 6: the season, it's ben Jacob Marcy, So why would they
Speaker 6: kind of try to move on from him as a
Speaker 6: starter right now? They know they're contenders, but it's not
Speaker 6: a priority because they do believe that the value he
Speaker 6: brings defensively outweighs the offensive production. And I do think
Speaker 6: that is gonna come a time when the offensive production
Speaker 6: starts to elevate itself. I mean, it really can't get
Speaker 6: much worse, you would assume, but you know that the
Speaker 6: Marlins we talked about Owen Casey earlier and potentially sending
Speaker 6: him down, they want to see these young guys work
Speaker 6: through their struggles at the major league level, which I
Speaker 6: can get behind. In a lot of cases. We've talked
Speaker 6: about third base. I think that's the position that they're
Speaker 6: gonna attack this trade deadline rather than center field, because
Speaker 6: Marcy does provide defensive value there regardless of you know,
Speaker 6: the hit tool. Right now, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 7: I think you guys touched on that pretty well. But yeah,
Speaker 7: a whole lot more to cover on Marcie once we
Speaker 7: know about the severity of this contusion. If they're labeling
Speaker 7: it a contusion, that means it's usually a sigh of
Speaker 7: relief usually suggests that he should be back on the
Speaker 7: other side of the off day, but we'll have to
Speaker 7: find out as it goes along. So back on the
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Speaker 2: Putting the most unsatisfying sweep behind us and looking ahead
Speaker 2: to Seattle Mariners for a three game series starting what
Speaker 2: d after tomorrow.
Speaker 10: I think.
Speaker 2: It will be a Mariners team that I don't think
Speaker 2: you can classify this as anything more than or other
Speaker 2: than disappointing for their fans. I mean, this high powered
Speaker 2: offense that they thought they had coming into this season
Speaker 2: with cal Raley and Julio Rodriguez and Josh Naylor. Their
Speaker 2: best hitter is Luke Rayley. So I mean, there's there's
Speaker 2: one thing I want to highlight about this offense, and
Speaker 2: that is just this astronomical fall off of cal Raley.
Speaker 2: I mean, coming off of a sixty plus home run
Speaker 2: season at this point in the season. Last year, cal
Speaker 2: Raley had twenty three home runs and was hitting two
Speaker 2: sixty seven. That's through fifty eight games. I know he
Speaker 2: was injured, so I just did it through fifty eight games,
Speaker 2: And through fifty eight games this year he has not
Speaker 2: home runs in a taking one sixty one. So this
Speaker 2: a guy that that that almost won an MVP over
Speaker 2: the great, one of the best hitters in the league
Speaker 2: is now one of the worst hitters in baseball. That
Speaker 2: is something I don't think we have seen in a
Speaker 2: very long time. So, Eli, can you put into perspective
Speaker 2: this season so far for cal Rawly, it's been pretty bad.
Speaker 7: Yeah. The boring way to put into perspective is that
Speaker 7: if you average out last season and what he's done
Speaker 7: so far this year, it looks pretty similar to his
Speaker 7: career numbers, where he's a over. If you combine those
Speaker 7: two seasons, he's still a good offensive catcher and one
Speaker 7: that has somewhat suppress batting average but a ton of
Speaker 7: power and uh so from one aspect, I think that is,
Speaker 7: even though it's a boring answer for a GAT that
Speaker 7: has a decent major league track, occurred in terms of
Speaker 7: length to this point, he's kind of shown us who
Speaker 7: he was prior to last year. Last year was pretty
Speaker 7: far out of line with who he had been the
Speaker 7: previous half decade with the guy that had earned that extension.
Speaker 7: That was a big extension that made him. I think
Speaker 7: that at this moment that he's now the highest paid
Speaker 7: catcher in the game with a real muto having graduated
Speaker 7: to a smaller contract in decline, but one that seemed
Speaker 7: not totally crazy, and that looks like a bargain initially,
Speaker 7: and now it looks like somewhat of a long term concern,
Speaker 7: if not fair at the very best. So I think
Speaker 7: that's a boring answer, is that there were still these
Speaker 7: lingering concerns. As amazing as a run as he went
Speaker 7: on last year, where for the vast majority of the
Speaker 7: season like he was, he was mashing like to reach
Speaker 7: those kind of numbers, it still didn't feel like he
Speaker 7: was suddenly going to be that guy permanently moving forward,
Speaker 7: and that this year has just been a crazier auto.
Speaker 7: What's where I'm looking more regression to the mean, more
Speaker 7: more severe than anybody could have envisioned from from his standpoint.
Speaker 7: But I think that just is the way that things
Speaker 7: go sometimes, especially there's injury involved. He did have an
Speaker 7: oblique injury. What late May is when he finally won
Speaker 7: the IL with that, and he missed a few weeks.
Speaker 7: Now he's back. He did hit a home run very
Speaker 7: recently to show that he still does have that potential
Speaker 7: to do so, but he has his overall mechanically out
Speaker 7: of sync and I think almost certainly physically is tying
Speaker 7: into that with the fact they've had such bad results.
Speaker 7: So he's Yeah, it's a fascinating shift. I think it again,
Speaker 7: going back to the Joe mac discussion, it's why these
Speaker 7: catchers are not all that common of an extension candidate,
Speaker 7: just because how much the offensive production can oscillate from
Speaker 7: year to year due to some other factors that go
Speaker 7: involved with that position that sometimes, you know, disrupts what
Speaker 7: you can actually do at the plate just because you
Speaker 7: have a whole lot more on your plate than just
Speaker 7: what you're doing offensively. So he's kind of a prime example,
Speaker 7: somewhat of a cautionary tale in terms of getting too
Speaker 7: excited about a catcher for any stretch of time, just
Speaker 7: because of how rapidly things can change. He'll bounce back,
Speaker 7: but for the Marvelin's sake, hopefully it's a little while longer.
Speaker 7: Hopefully it's there's a chance it might not happen until
Speaker 7: twenty twenty seven. I do think he still has a
Speaker 7: terrific career in front of him, though, But this is
Speaker 7: just one of those years where everything that can go
Speaker 7: wrong for him on an individual level has gone wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said that volatility with the position too
Speaker 2: and an injury mixed in. Hasn't ever really gotten going
Speaker 2: this year and hopefully he doesn't do that in this series.
Speaker 2: But another guy there's been volatility with is an old
Speaker 2: friend of ours, mister Josh Naylor. This guy, uh, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's done this before in his career too, where he
Speaker 2: follows up a fantastic year with a with a bad
Speaker 2: year from twenty twenty three into twenty twenty four is
Speaker 2: kind of a similar story for him. So, Jeremiah, I'll
Speaker 2: go to you on this. Is this just him showing
Speaker 2: that again? Is this just this streaky player? Because the
Speaker 2: Mariners gave him a hell of a lot of money
Speaker 2: for him to be underperforming, so was one of the
Speaker 2: highest priced free agents past offseason. The Mariners brought him
Speaker 2: back and brim pretty underwhelming so far for Josh Naylor,
Speaker 2: who's sitting at two fifty one three twelve and an
Speaker 2: under four hundred slogging percentage for a true power hitter. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: is is Naylor a streaky player? Or can he get
Speaker 2: past this this season?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I think it's fair to describe him as streaky just
Speaker 6: in the lack of power that he's shown. I know,
Speaker 6: Seattle's a very tough ballpark to hit in, but there
Speaker 6: Seattle's camp was obviously confident that he was going to
Speaker 6: perform This year just hasn't happened. Like like Eli said
Speaker 6: earlier about Kyle Raley, it's just one of those years
Speaker 6: where doesn't feel like anything is clicking. Now, the Mariners
Speaker 6: are still in position to there's still a possibility that
Speaker 6: Naylor figures it out, that cal Raley figures it out,
Speaker 6: but it's got to happen for the stretch run, and
Speaker 6: luckily they're pitching has kept them alive. Do I do
Speaker 6: I still think that Naylor has it in him. Yes,
Speaker 6: I do. It's just that ballpark is hard to hit.
Speaker 6: I mean, we saw that with you Hennio Sworrez last year,
Speaker 6: even when he came over from the from the Dbacks
Speaker 6: at the trade deadline. So Naylor, it could be a
Speaker 6: little bit of both. But you know, at least the
Speaker 6: average is in a manageable spot. It's not like he's
Speaker 6: completely fallen off the face of the earth.
Speaker 2: What the Marriers do have is pitching, whether it be
Speaker 2: in the bullpen or in their rotation. The Marlins will
Speaker 2: see that in this series. I mean their pitching has
Speaker 2: been damn damn good. I mean their team ERA is
Speaker 2: three point four to eight, or was before today. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Their team here is three point five to nine, which
Speaker 2: is like third best or fourth best in baseball. The
Speaker 2: Bullpenny ARA is three point four eight, which is third
Speaker 2: best in baseball. So I mean they're carried by what
Speaker 2: Gilbert Wu, Kirby Hancock, all these pitchers are damn good.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of how they are two games over
Speaker 2: five hundred. They've built that up mostly from within, so
Speaker 2: pretty cool to see them do that from within. I'm
Speaker 2: aways a fan of that, of course, as a fan
Speaker 2: of the Marlins, were fans of teams that kind of
Speaker 2: build from within so quick, hit real quick on their
Speaker 2: pitching staff, You're like, go ahead.
Speaker 7: Yeah, projected. It hasn't been a scheduled yet from their side,
Speaker 7: but most likely we'll see Jesus, I guess it could
Speaker 7: be Hancock and Kirby and Wu. The way that is,
Speaker 7: it will probably Kirby Wu and Rice Miller, who sort
Speaker 7: of faded to the background. I think he's been overshadowed
Speaker 7: by those other guys in previous years. Bryce Miller coming
Speaker 7: off the IL at the start of the year. He's
Speaker 7: been their best pitcher, one available like. He has a
Speaker 7: one to seven to one ERA this year in nine appearances.
Speaker 7: Most recent one was seven almost perfect endings, almost perfect,
Speaker 7: not quite Uriar level, but seven endings, two hitter against
Speaker 7: the Angels a few days ago. Yeah, the Marlins are
Speaker 7: going to see some of that, the very best pitching
Speaker 7: that they have to offer those guys that really it
Speaker 7: has been a highly unusually successful run to have the
Speaker 7: same core of guys on the starting rotation be there,
Speaker 7: be available for the most part, with a few injury exceptions,
Speaker 7: a year after year after year. Now for the better
Speaker 7: part of four years, it's been kind of the same
Speaker 7: handful of guys that are making almost all their starts.
Speaker 7: So they've been fortunate on that end, or you could
Speaker 7: say maybe there's something deeper down going on there in
Speaker 7: terms of how they're keeping everybody healthy and consistent. But
Speaker 7: that's been the core of their team. That's why they've
Speaker 7: been having a winning record for each of these last
Speaker 7: several years, and that's why that was so important, of
Speaker 7: course for them to make such a playoff run as
Speaker 7: they did last season. The deepest playoff run that the
Speaker 7: franchise had had in almost a quarter century. That starting
Speaker 7: pitching has been top of mind when it comes to
Speaker 7: this team. So the Marlins are going to be tested
Speaker 7: directly against some of the very best that they have
Speaker 7: to offer. And it's been a bit of a contrast
Speaker 7: from the Marlins, who have had very good starting pitching
Speaker 7: on the top end on and off these the last
Speaker 7: few years. But rotation depth is pretty consistently a question
Speaker 7: as it is even right now for the team. So
Speaker 7: that's it is an interesting contrast. The one of their
Speaker 7: elements to this I wanted to point out is that
Speaker 7: the Marlins do have a better record than the Mariners,
Speaker 7: the Mariners who happened to lead the American League West.
Speaker 7: That is something that continues to the top of mind
Speaker 7: is that if the Marlins were in a different, different
Speaker 7: division right now, the level of excitement I think would
Speaker 7: be even higher just considering where they would be. The
Speaker 7: realistic chance that they have to actually win a division.
Speaker 7: This Ale West has been up for grabs all year long.
Speaker 7: People went into the year assuming the Mariners were significant favorites,
Speaker 7: and so for the moment they're clinging to a small lead.
Speaker 7: And I would say that the average person would still
Speaker 7: expect them to be the most likely team to come
Speaker 7: out of that, but they haven't pulled away from the
Speaker 7: rest of the division the way that I think a
Speaker 7: lot of people envisioned that they would. So one other
Speaker 7: element to that for this series. Julio Rodriguez's on the
Speaker 7: concussion il, so I believe he's going to be ineligible
Speaker 7: for these next few games. That's going to be just
Speaker 7: another small thing in the Marlins favor is that they're
Speaker 7: not quite facing a full strength Mariners team. Not only
Speaker 7: do they have to they're going through those guys we've
Speaker 7: already highlighted that are slumping and underperforming their career norms,
Speaker 7: but Julio Rodriguez, who you know, from my opinion, would
Speaker 7: probably be their best overall player on a year in
Speaker 7: a year out basis, he's not going to be available
Speaker 7: for them. So that's going to be just one other
Speaker 7: thing to keep in mind over these next three games.
Speaker 2: From Marlin's side of things. They also will have the
Speaker 2: benefit of getting a little healthier with I think we
Speaker 2: expect Jansen Junk to pitch the Wednesday game. I guess
Speaker 2: it could be Braxton, but I think Junk's last rehibouting
Speaker 2: went fine, so you know, I think that he will
Speaker 2: be healthy enough to return that day. Should also see
Speaker 2: All Star Max Meyer in the first game if things
Speaker 2: line up.
Speaker 7: And yeah, that's the one thing that's already been like
Speaker 7: a penciled in officially as Max is starting on Tuesday. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and yeah, and another element to bring up with Max
Speaker 7: is that he's an All Star, of course, but if
Speaker 7: you pitch the Sunday before the All Star Break, you're
Speaker 7: actually ineligible no matter what, to pitch in the game itself.
Speaker 7: As things line up, if he's pitching on Tuesday, his
Speaker 7: regularly scheduled start after that will be on Sunday, the
Speaker 7: final pre All Star Break game. We'll be curious to
Speaker 7: see how that like unfolds. I mean, they don't have
Speaker 7: room to play everybody in the All Star Game anyway,
Speaker 7: But the way that it's trending right now, it looks
Speaker 7: like Max won't actually be pitching in the All Star
Speaker 7: Game just because of the way that this schedule lines
Speaker 7: up for.
Speaker 2: Him still being there. It's gonna be great for him,
Speaker 2: So pitching the games that matter, I'm cool with that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we're up against the DULI. We're thirteen minutes over.
Speaker 2: So I know we went a little long on Uri,
Speaker 2: but we do want to get to prediction time, our
Speaker 2: favorite segment of the show. So hopefully the Martins keep
Speaker 2: this going. We are catching, uh, you know, catching back
Speaker 2: up into Miami. Well, of course I have coverage there
Speaker 2: from Fish on First and the Marlin's riding high after that,
Speaker 2: that high scoring effort against the age. So catching a
Speaker 2: good pitching staff at a good time, will they win
Speaker 2: the series? And how many games will they win? Hit
Speaker 2: that now in prediction.
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Speaker 4: That's my prediction.
Speaker 7: But who knows?
Speaker 2: Can the Marlins keep it going after a sweep against
Speaker 2: the A's and an overall successful West Coast road trip.
Speaker 2: Coming back to learn Depot to welcome in the well
Speaker 2: well off in the pitching department, Mariners not so much offensively.
Speaker 2: Marlins have Max Jansen and I'm guessing Tyler Phillips as
Speaker 2: their pitchers against what is been not a great offense.
Speaker 2: So I think catching this team at a really good time.
Speaker 2: But do we think they'll win the series? Jeremiah, I
Speaker 2: will go to you first. Are they winning the series again?
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with yes. I think they take two
Speaker 6: out of three. This offense is on fire. Auto Lopez
Speaker 6: is on fire at a Berto Hernandez on fire Marlins
Speaker 6: win two out of three Mariners pitching it's good. But
Speaker 6: this Marlins team, man, they're legit and they're gonna find
Speaker 6: a way to win this series. Auto Lopez MVP.
Speaker 2: Great picks, Great picks. I'm gonna agree. I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: that the Marlins are catching this team at a really
Speaker 2: good time on fire offensively, as he said, Jeremiah, and
Speaker 2: I think that if the pitching falters, they'll do enough
Speaker 2: against the good pitching team to battle out. I think
Speaker 2: some close games, but I think that they will win
Speaker 2: this series two games to one. And let's go with
Speaker 2: the other All Star. You picked one, I'm gonna pick
Speaker 2: the other. The one. Max Meyer is going to be
Speaker 2: your series wp HM.
Speaker 7: As usual, I'll find a way to twist it negative
Speaker 7: when things start going oh so well for this Marlins team,
Speaker 7: I'll have them losing two out of three to Seattle
Speaker 7: over these next three games that I think Seattle does
Speaker 7: have the high enough upside what they're pitching, the few
Speaker 7: rare talents that I think can actually silence this red
Speaker 7: hot Marlins offense for if not an entire game at
Speaker 7: a time, then most endings at a time. And I
Speaker 7: do like the back end of their pen very much
Speaker 7: as well, more so than the Marlins at this particular moment.
Speaker 7: So I'll have Seattle winning two out of three in
Speaker 7: closely contested games, with Marlins offense coming back down to
Speaker 7: earth a bit. And for a series MVP, I'll go
Speaker 7: with Dominic Canzone, who's having a great year for this
Speaker 7: Mariners team, probably their best overall hitter when he gets
Speaker 7: into the lineup, a guy that strongly prefers to face
Speaker 7: right handed pitching, and the Marlins have so much right
Speaker 7: handed pitching guys that, as we've seen just the last
Speaker 7: couple of days, when they're on top of their game,
Speaker 7: it doesn't matter left you're righty who you are, they
Speaker 7: can mow you down. So that's something they keep in mind.
Speaker 7: But in a series where we're not going to see
Speaker 7: Sandy and we're not going to see Uri, I think
Speaker 7: Canzone is going to be very comfortable and do quite
Speaker 7: a bit of slugging to push Seattle over the top.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: See which of us are correct one of us will
Speaker 2: be in terms of who wins the series, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: I think I think it'll be a highly contested series,
Speaker 2: So I'm actually pretty excited for this one, but that
Speaker 2: will do it for us on today's show. Thanks for
Speaker 2: jesting that series with us, which it was a great,
Speaker 2: great series, sleep but just a little bit sour at
Speaker 2: the end of it. But they're looking ahead and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna see what they can do against the Mariners. We'll
Speaker 2: have folks there covering it. Got some cool stuff coming
Speaker 2: up on the podcast as well, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 2: Excited about all that stuff as well, so stay tuned
Speaker 2: to our coverage wherever you guys are getting it. Appreciate
Speaker 2: you staying tuned to this one as we went a
Speaker 2: bit over time but had a lot to talk about,
Speaker 2: so for now on this one for myself, Alex, for Eli, Jeremiah,
Speaker 2: great work at the park this series again, Jeremiah was
Speaker 2: awesome following along with you. Congrats for getting there as well.
Speaker 2: Glad to have West Coast coverage so that was cool
Speaker 2: to see and we'll have more of that coming up
Speaker 2: as the Marlins in part on this homestand here in Miami.
Speaker 2: So we'll be back with you at the end of
Speaker 2: this series as we look ahead to what I think
Speaker 2: is going to be the final series before they all
Speaker 2: start break coming up against the Guardians, I believe it is,
Speaker 2: so we'll be there for that one as well, So
Speaker 2: tune again, tune in again, that to that one on
Speaker 2: Fish on First Live. That's it this one. We'll see
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