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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 2: Hey Brain Drugs. Of today's episode Reality with.

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Speaker 1: The King, we are recapping another doozy episode of The

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Speaker 1: Real house Wasser words, Telty and my girl is back

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Speaker 1: to deal with me. The beautiful blonde bombshell Alexis Leena.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty blonde now I've been a little blonder.

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Speaker 2: You great, good.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you did the wedding.

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Speaker 4: The wedding procedures have paid off, Carlos. All the all

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Speaker 4: the needles, all the all the bruising, all the swelling,

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Speaker 4: it's now better.

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Speaker 3: You know. I didn't plump anything, I didn't put anything

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Speaker 3: in like uh fillers.

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Speaker 4: But I have botox and micro needle beyond capacity. And

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Speaker 4: thank you to all my doctors.

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Speaker 2: Well girl, send them to me.

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Speaker 1: Honey as the refro because whatever you got a will

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Speaker 1: all the bit you look amazing.

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Speaker 2: You really didn't really hear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so girl, we have to get to this episode,

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Speaker 1: so let's just get right into it.

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Speaker 2: The knee. So the episode began with the continuation the

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Speaker 2: ladies having dinner. In this dinner, you know, the cliffhanger

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Speaker 2: last week was Tamera telling Shannon, well, look, I'm not

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Speaker 2: the only one who concerned about you. Gina is. So

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Speaker 2: now we get Gina's response to that particular.

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Speaker 1: Moment, and look, Gina's like, I was can serve, But look, Tamra, Mike,

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Speaker 1: conserve for Shannis started when you took her out to

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Speaker 1: have a drink after YouTube. You know, we're making up

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Speaker 1: and all of those things, and that's not something good

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 2: Tamra's like, look, I damned if I do. I damned.

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Speaker 1: The by do drinking is Shanna's love language. That's what

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Speaker 1: she wanted to do. I didn't think it's a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: Everyone sort of slip on this, but alexis, what do

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Speaker 1: you think about that? Is Tamara the wrong for taking

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Speaker 1: Shannon outward drinking knowing that she may she may allegedly,

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Speaker 1: you know, have a issue with alcohol.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm opinionated, but this one I am

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Speaker 4: with the audience.

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 4: I am torn because here's the reason why Tamar's doing

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Speaker 4: everything she can to just let she Hada know, like.

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Speaker 3: Look, we I mean, I get it.

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Speaker 4: We both have fed up, We've both been not great

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Speaker 4: friends at certain times, but we have a job to do.

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Speaker 3: So I kind of feel that side from Tamra.

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Speaker 4: But then again, I see Gina side where it's like,

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Speaker 4: could you have made up a secret handshake or something like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, there could have been something

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Speaker 4: else or let's go get a coffee, probably with a

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Speaker 3: But anyway, I don't know. I'm torn too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now listen, I'm torn as well because the thing is

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Speaker 1: bits if someone really does have a relationship with alcohol,

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Speaker 1: the last thing you do is sort of introduce to them.

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Speaker 2: They're not not introduced, but reintroduced to them.

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Speaker 1: The problem from what I gathered from the season, if

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Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, Alexus correct me if I'm.

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Speaker 2: Wrong, Shannon never said she.

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Speaker 1: Gave up alcohol, and I think that's the difference that

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Speaker 1: exactly is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I am.

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Speaker 1: Signing more on the Tamra side of things only because

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Speaker 1: if Shanna said emphatically, luck, I don't want to drink anymore.

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Speaker 1: I've been going to a a I have a sponsor

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Speaker 1: that Tamara is a bath riad. Shannon clearly drinks around

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Speaker 1: them where they're at these restaurants, when they're when they're

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Speaker 1: you know, hanging out. So if Tamra's like, look, you're

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Speaker 1: you're you're drinking, why didn't it have a drink in solidarity?

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Speaker 3: Exactly? She never Shannon never said I'm I don't I'm sober.

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Speaker 4: I'm not drinking anymore, because you know, sure as well,

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Speaker 4: none of those housewives are gonna take Shannon to go

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Speaker 3: You know. So that is a very good point, very

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Speaker 4: But I do still see Gina's side only because it's like, look,

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Speaker 4: I just I see Tamra's side too. I'm definitely torn it.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think Tamra just because of what you said.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's completely off limits. When Shannon's sitting

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Speaker 4: there drink, making every single meal, every single morning when

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Speaker 4: they have she have pain, so she hasn't stopped.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, she had lifted. I watched the show Shannon.

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Speaker 1: It said that her DUI and these are her words.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm paraphrasing, of course, but she said like, look,

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Speaker 2: Now. The person who also had.

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Speaker 1: A DUI on this cast is Gina, and Gina doesn't

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Speaker 1: Gena's defense, she's way more sensitive to.

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Speaker 2: The idea of what she's recognizing.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think what Gina should more articulate

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Speaker 1: is the fact that look, as a person who had

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Speaker 1: maybe there are sides that I'm seeing in Shannon than

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Speaker 1: I saw myself. That's why I'm way more sensitive to

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Speaker 3: Very true, Very true.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I respect and commend Gina for you know,

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Speaker 3: She didn't quit right after the DUI.

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Speaker 4: I think it was like a whole other year or

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Speaker 4: something that went by that she drank, but she originally

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Speaker 4: like she she realized and recognized, Okay, I'm going to stop,

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Speaker 4: and she did. And I loved her comment when she's like,

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Speaker 3: It's so true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no.

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Speaker 1: But that's why I appreciate Gina obviously being concerned because

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Speaker 2: And look, I think it tough to Shannon. I will

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Speaker 1: I think Shannon has to figure out for herself whether

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Speaker 1: or not she feels like she has luck.

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Speaker 2: As of now, it doesn't seem like she does, and

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Speaker 2: that's a paromative. But I don't think you should attack Tamera.

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Speaker 1: For letting her have a drink if that's what she's

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Speaker 1: to all of that, we have to talk about the

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Speaker 1: person at whose job Nowaday seems to be exposing any

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Speaker 1: and everything Tamra has done, and that is your favorite

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Speaker 1: person has Slade.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but you know what, I knew you were probably

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Speaker 3: I mean, how can you not after that episode?

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Speaker 4: But Carlos, like I said it, last episode that we did,

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Speaker 4: the last podcast we did together, he just needs to

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Speaker 4: get a job.

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Speaker 3: It's like he wants to be the next housewife.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna be sallacious and bring up stupid stuff. I

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Speaker 4: think him and Gretchen jumped on the tear down the

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Speaker 4: Tamra train like they're on that train, tear down Tamra

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Speaker 3: And so I don't know. It's the whole thing is frustrating.

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Speaker 4: And it's like, you notice how Tamar didn't bring them

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Speaker 4: season so far, And that's all Gretchen and Slade can

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Speaker 4: talk about. Well, Slay, who shouldn't even be a part

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: It's just I don't like it. I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with she was Cavia Brooks, you

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Speaker 1: So to update the audience, the girls on the trip,

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Speaker 1: we have Emily, Heather and Gretchen is hanging out was

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Speaker 1: fult of like this slumber party and itaily brings up like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I've heard you have a song.

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Speaker 2: That Tamra saying and a recording studio.

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Speaker 3: Emily didn't bring it up. No, Gretchen's the one that

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Speaker 4: Gretchen goes, oh, I have four songs, and then she

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Speaker 4: goes and Tamra house are song and it's Gretchen purposely

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Speaker 4: just like, well, now I'm not gonna let it die now.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear the song.

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Speaker 1: So do I.

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Speaker 3: By the way, so do I? And I don't. I

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Speaker 3: haven't even heard it yet, So I want to hear

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Speaker 2: No, I did too.

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Speaker 3: Was not saying?

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Speaker 4: She was not trying to like record this was that's

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Speaker 3: She was not trying to become Beyonce.

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Speaker 4: Okay, she you know Tamor she makes fun of herself

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Speaker 3: It was just fun.

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Speaker 4: And now here it is made into this stupid scandalous

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Speaker 4: thing that's not there. It's not there. She didn't sleep

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Speaker 4: So you can completely reject all that. Okay, just one

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Speaker 4: more thing that's not true coming out of their minds.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, let's get into it because the allegation that

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Speaker 1: Slade has and listen, I gotta be honest as somebody

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Speaker 1: who enjoyed Gretchen a lot when she was on the

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Speaker 1: show seventeen years ago, I have to agree with you, Alexis,

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Speaker 1: and I think in this scene it was the realization

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Speaker 1: that Gretchen's producer is Slade.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. You said it.

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Speaker 1: It's girlfriend, that is her, Jimmy Jeame and Terry Liliz

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Speaker 1: that is her.

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Speaker 2: That's her manager, it's her producer, it's her slipper.

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Speaker 1: As you said, it's it is a borderline gross.

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Speaker 4: But unfortunately, yes, unfortunately he's he's he didn't go to

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Speaker 3: He didn't.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't have the he doesn't have the credentials to

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Speaker 4: be a producer, so he's not it's not landing well,

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Speaker 4: so she needs to actually hire someone that will do it,

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Speaker 4: and he needs to go get a job, like I've said.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Well, and then it came out, which we're going to

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Speaker 4: get to. Speaking of job, it came out that Gretchen

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Speaker 4: of her. So it's like, I mean, and their whole

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Speaker 3: So yeah, but I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just feel I feel like Gretchen can be so

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Speaker 3: But look at me, Everyone says that about me.

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Speaker 3: And then Slade said he heard it or someone heard them.

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Speaker 7: Actually friends Like yeah, yeah, So the guy is married

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's exactly why, because it is it is

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. You're saying that.

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Speaker 1: This couple is tensed that their names are being used

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Speaker 3: For scandalous, salacious stuff that's not true. Yes, they're pissed.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think if it wouldn't have gone

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Speaker 4: But now it's yeah, it's just it's gross and it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, just listen, I'm gonna say, they said you're

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Speaker 1: I want us to talk about it right in your defense,

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Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, you to come

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Speaker 4: That's the difference because I tell you something Carlos along

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Speaker 3: So I would be told don't talk about him.

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Speaker 4: Like every house I'd be like, stop talking about Johnson,

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Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, I don't need.

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Speaker 3: To talk about him. He's not I have a lot

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Speaker 4: And I wouldn't even even if we had a great

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Speaker 3: Okay, just don't bring up John.

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Speaker 4: But every freaking scene one of the housewives would bring

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Speaker 3: And it will be told.

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Speaker 4: So that's what happened, And it was really unfair because

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Speaker 3: Just like Tamara, it was like if I didn't.

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Speaker 4: Bring him up, someone else would, and then they'd accuse

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Speaker 3: But I think when Gretchen.

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Speaker 4: you know, and it's backfiring, you know, because Tamra was disliked.

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Speaker 3: Last season just as much as me, because she is

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Speaker 3: The truth is she's my writer die friend. Okay.

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Speaker 4: So the problem is I think Gretchen was piggybacking on

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Speaker 4: Falsehoods by a false producer telling you what to do.

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Speaker 4: So get the facts before you bring stuff like that

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Speaker 3: It is people's lives, no listen, I Tod not agree more.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I believe that Gretchen saw that the

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Speaker 1: Not being Rufie, not going to the hospital after Nickod

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Speaker 2: But it's just it's it's dangerous. I just feel like

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that's what I was going to say, the

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Speaker 4: Or that he heard it and all this, they said

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, And this is why the next day

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Speaker 1: And the fact that she's telling you how an Emily, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I just don't want to get into with her. I

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like, we are going to make this

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Speaker 1: a big deal because you made it a big deal by.

439
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Speaker 2: A lunching that this moment was fucking literally.

440
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Speaker 1: Around in a studio and you don't expect this to

441
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Speaker 1: come back.

442
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: And you know how this show works. I think dretching

443
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Speaker 2: overplay her hand.

444
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 3: You're filming a TV show. You think it's not gonna

445
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Speaker 3: come out.

446
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 4: There's cameras there, mother ever, there's cameras. But you know,

447
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 4: first of all, they got her naked wasted again, which

448
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 4: they weren't meaning to do.

449
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 3: But second of all, like that's why she was slippery

450
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Speaker 3: loose mouth. I mean, she was wasted, okay, but it's.

451
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Speaker 4: Like me last I last season though, listen, I'm self deprecating. Okay,

452
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 4: last season when I brought up the videos, I didn't

453
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Speaker 4: mean to. And then I was like, I was even

454
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 4: sitting bed again. We're the cameras still rolling then or not,

455
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 4: and we weren't. We weren't drunk then, okay, we were

456
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 4: just up talking. And I get fired up about Johnny

457
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 4: because everything was not true that was being told about him,

458
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 4: and I was I was losing my marbles by how

459
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 4: many accusations and how I needed to calm down, and

460
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Speaker 4: I'm like Shannon to stop up and lying.

461
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Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to happen. And so anyways, that's

462
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 3: when that came up, and I put my foot literally

463
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 3: like put my foot in my mouth.

464
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Speaker 4: Okay, so I can get that camera or Gretchen probably

465
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 4: had a cocktail too.

466
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 3: Many and then was like, ooh, this is fun.

467
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 4: Let's just get it all out there, and then regretted

468
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Speaker 4: it the next morning.

469
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Speaker 3: That's what I think happened.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say this.

471
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Speaker 1: And they haven't taped the reunion yet on those coming up.

472
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Speaker 2: Listen as of now.

473
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Speaker 1: As of now, I will be surprised and Gretchen's acts

474
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Speaker 1: back next season.

475
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Speaker 2: I just don't see a world in wish she camera

476
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Speaker 2: co from this.

477
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what is the problem

478
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 3: like this, Bravo is its own animal. I don't know.

479
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,719
Speaker 4: They do things sometimes that are just it doesn't make

480
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 4: sense to us, but then they I don't, so I

481
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 4: don't know. I can't even I have tried to project

482
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 4: the future with all of that before. I never thought

483
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 4: I I get I'd never get thought I get about

484
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 4: asked back after ten years.

485
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: So you know, I just I leave it to them.

486
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 4: They obviously know what they're doing because it's our twentieth

487
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 4: season now, So yeah, whatever.

488
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't.

489
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: Project you're right about that. You're right about that about

490
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: that at all. A theme that I thought was super

491
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: said and one of the reasons why I do enjoy

492
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: watching Gina. So you know, Travini's Gina's boyfriend is trying

493
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: to get custody of his children, and when it comes

494
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: to the mother of his children, she's preventing their son allegedly.

495
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: That's what Gina is saying, that she's allegedly preventing their

496
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Speaker 1: son from being around them, proclaiming that he doesn't feel

497
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Speaker 1: safe around Gina and Travis, and Travis has a court

498
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Speaker 1: day coming up.

499
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Speaker 2: It really made me feel sad, and again it is

500
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Speaker 2: one of the reasons.

501
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: Why I do love this show, because we can get

502
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Speaker 1: to the mess and the scandal, the scamp, those nature things,

503
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: but it's these real story lies that I think makes

504
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: oh See so special because I appreciate it seeing Gena

505
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: emok about this.

506
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Speaker 2: Obviously, you know what.

507
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: It's like to be divorced and to try to make

508
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: things work when it comes to co parenting. What did

509
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: you think about what Gena Travis is going through and

510
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: what advice would you give to them?

511
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Speaker 3: I mean, it sinks.

512
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Speaker 4: That's why I said nobody wants to get married to

513
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Speaker 4: get the divorce. I mean, it just is not in

514
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: people's People don't walk down the aisle to get a

515
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 4: divorce and then have kids hoping that they raise them

516
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 4: and broken family. It is the hardest thing for parents

517
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 4: to do is to lose their kids fifty.

518
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Speaker 3: Percent of the time. And I think that. I think

519
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 3: the only.

520
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Speaker 4: Thing Gina and Travis can do is be steadfast and

521
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 4: stay calm and show their truth and court.

522
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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, did they say this is going to

523
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Speaker 3: go to court? Didn't she say? I'm thinking she said she.

524
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Speaker 4: I don't know if they, but anyway, if there's a

525
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 4: bottle over the battle over the kids, it's going to

526
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 4: go to court. So I just think they have to

527
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: stay I mean, lawyer up with the best one you

528
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 4: can and stay calm and don't don't bat mouth that

529
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 4: other parent, take the facts. Start journaling, like I journaled

530
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 4: everything all the time when I you know, when we

531
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 4: were fifty to fifty and then I got the kids

532
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 4: full time, but I journaled every day, what would happen,

533
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 4: everything in and out. I sent it all to my

534
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 4: attorney every time, like you you have to have the

535
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 4: the you know, the story behind it too to and

536
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: the facts to prove it.

537
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Speaker 3: Heart I feel horrible for.

538
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Speaker 2: Them now, ad adtu.

539
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Speaker 1: That's so interesting because on the real health wots of Miami,

540
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: that is something that Lisa talked about. Her lawyers recommended

541
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: her to do as well as to take note of everything,

542
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: to drink everything, every single thing is it is one

543
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: of the reasons to do that Alexis is to have

544
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Speaker 1: this sort of log of what happens so that you

545
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Speaker 1: can figure a case.

546
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Speaker 2: In a court of law.

547
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, you have to. I mean you

548
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: have to have it.

549
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: And that was the number one thing from the attorney

550
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: was just Alexis journal every day.

551
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: So and I still have them. I mean it didn't

552
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: matter because we didn't have to go to court. It

553
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: just it just they just moved in but which was

554
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: a blessing in disguise. But I did have it.

555
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: So I think that Gina needs to start that today

556
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: and maybe even go back in our memory and remember

557
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 4: certain to go back to texts and look at the

558
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: text from her and Travis Stones and record things from

559
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 4: that so that you can redrag your memory about what

560
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 4: happened in April, you know kind of thing. So it

561
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 4: just sinks that it seeks to be on a television

562
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 4: show and have to you know that that's exploited. But

563
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: you are on reality, so you're right, your personal life

564
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 4: does come out, you know.

565
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

566
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, But she's relatable because a lot of people go

567
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: through this. I mean, look at the doors right in California,

568
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 4: it's like seventy five percent, So a lot of people

569
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 4: can relate to this.

570
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: Which is wild, which is wild, But no, I think

571
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: Gina's so relatable. Again, we saw her battle alcoholism, the

572
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: d UI, this, this relationship with Travis, going through divorce

573
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: from her ex husband, being as thing a mom, getting

574
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: her real estate license. Like listen, I know, Gina Emily

575
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: get a lot of shit on social media and whatever.

576
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: That's that.

577
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: But what I will say is I think Gina has

578
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: always been somebody that's given her reality to the show

579
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: and that should not be taken for granted because a

580
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: lot of these other women do not do so.

581
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Speaker 2: Which leads me to the next topic of the conversation,

582
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: which was.

583
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: The moment Alexis that went left and I did not

584
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: see it coming.

585
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: So the girls are hanging out towards the end of the.

586
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: Episode and Shannon is talking about, you know, what she

587
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: is going through in therapy her her parents. Tama listen now,

588
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: Shannon is evoting, and I'm like, okay, it's nice to

589
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: hear personal story. Talma's like, oh, you know your father

590
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: had a drinking problem too. Is that's something that you

591
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: know you talk on a therapy and Alexis Bellino. Shannon

592
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: lost her shit and felt that Tamera had no right

593
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: to bring this up on television right now, whether or

594
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: not that is something that she kept private. I get

595
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: that because the father is on camera to defit himself.

596
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: So I get it. I get it, I get I

597
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: get it.

598
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: The part that I don't get and I would love

599
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on it. And it then became

600
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: a question of Tamra's intentions in terms of why did

601
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: she bring it up and what we talked about earlier

602
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: that I wanted to relate to this scene is what

603
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: Tamra said at the time of the episode.

604
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't.

605
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: And I said this last week to you about I'm

606
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: getting assists that they want to ice.

607
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: Al Tamra again. I don't.

608
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 5: I did not think for one second that Tamera brought

609
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 5: up her father's alcoholism to relate to the girls and

610
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 5: the audience that Shannon also had to take a problem.

611
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: I thought that was a reach. I didn't get that

612
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: one bad.

613
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: I have to be honest because I have to act

614
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: like Tamar's not my friend right now, and I try

615
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 4: to be objective during this podcast so that the truth,

616
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 4: like I want to tell, I want to speak the

617
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: truth from what I.

618
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: Think the viewers think.

619
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Speaker 4: Okay, I I think in hindsight, and I have not

620
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: spoken to Tamar about this, so I'm totally speaking not

621
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is how she felt, but

622
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: I think she probably regretted it. Alf I think in

623
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: the moment, she one hundred percent was trying to relate

624
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: to Shannon, be kind to Shannon, like help Shannon.

625
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: I think at the.

626
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: After that she probably was like, Yeah, it probably wasn't

627
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: the worst thing to say.

628
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: Because I'm watching it, I'm going, ohugh, oh, you're trying to.

629
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 8: Get back in there, and then you just happened to

630
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 8: just go there. The little you know, could totally be

631
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 8: taken but taken bad. But the problem is Shannon is

632
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 8: very sensitive to that subject. You know, she's defensive about

633
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 8: the subject of alcohol in general because of everyone thinks

634
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 8: she has a drinking problem.

635
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: So I think that that it really went low for Shannon.

636
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: But I also think Shannon is just not going to ever,

637
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: you know, I think Tama's trying to do it for

638
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 4: the show and like, Okay, look, we got to move on.

639
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 4: We're creating a show here, and Shannon's just holds grudges

640
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 4: and stays bitter and is not going to move forward.

641
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 4: I mean, she's not budging at all, like you know,

642
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: and and I do see honestly where Shannon could be

643
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 4: like that was kind of low Tamar. You know, like

644
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: if that was set in confidence, and that's the truth,

645
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 4: that it was set in confidence and not to be

646
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 4: you know, not to be shared on television, which I

647
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 4: didn't watch all the other seasons, so I don't know

648
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: if it got brought up in any other episode that

649
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: you know, her dad had a drinking problem. But anyway,

650
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 4: either any way around it, I kind of see where

651
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 4: it should not have been said. There's other ways to

652
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 4: try to relate with Shannon. But I don't think Tamra

653
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: did it intentionally to start. You could even tell by

654
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: Tamra's personality or like or like like Aura in that moment,

655
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 4: She's sitting there like really concerned and she's like, well

656
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: this if this is festering inside, like you really do

657
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: you know?

658
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: She was coming from a place of caring.

659
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: It sounded like not like because what Tamma's on on camera,

660
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: Tamra on camera, Tamera, Oh.

661
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: That was good? Anyway, that was I didn't I didn't

662
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: know that. By the way, on.

663
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 4: Camera, camera camera, if you can see that, she's like,

664
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: can't wait to throw that napkin in Jin's face, you know,

665
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: or whatever.

666
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: But this seemed like a heart felt, like in the

667
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: moment kind of Tamera.

668
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: You know, first of all, I actual people hunch percent,

669
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: you know. I agree that. That's why I said earlier,

670
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: I don't understand why Shanna felt like that's not a

671
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: good place to break up something about my own father.

672
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: I have as for sin agree with that that's.

673
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: Not Tarra's place to break up anything relating to someone else.

674
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: My biggest thing was I do not think Tamra had

675
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: bad attentions right taking it up to Shannon. I thought

676
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: the same thing you did, Like, she's in the moment,

677
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: she's trying to get back in there, and I think

678
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: what the audience doesn't quite understand, and I think, oh,

679
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you know more about this obviously than

680
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: we do, because you're friends with camera. Shanna and Tamra,

681
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: we're best friends for over a decade and had several conversations.

682
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: And one thing I do know producing these shows, Alexis,

683
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: is unless you tell somebody, do not bring us up

684
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: on camera when I'm about to tell you.

685
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: There's so much.

686
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: Information you know about a person that when you're trying

687
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: to be really the moment, it is sometimes hard to

688
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: say to yourself, oh, but cameras aren't here, I should

689
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: not bring us up because I don't know if that's

690
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: something that's off limits, whereas there's other things I know

691
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: that are off limits.

692
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why I didn't think Tamra was

693
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: trying to be a bad friend.

694
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: I thought that Tamar was like, oh, I know this

695
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: because we talked a lot, and that's why way she

696
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: saw Shanni's reaction, she did not double down on it.

697
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: She did not make excuses for it.

698
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: She said, Okay, I didn't know, but I wasn't trying

699
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: to do that and felt the need to lead this

700
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: scene to crime. But do you think the audience and

701
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: maybe you know more too, that she had Tamar really

702
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: had a brow friendship at one.

703
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: Point they did. They did, and I do agree with

704
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: you on that.

705
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 4: I didn't think about that perspective, but yeah, because like,

706
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: but here's the thing, like Tamara knows a lot about me,

707
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 4: I know a lot about her, and we don't talk

708
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: about those things on camera because we have said those

709
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: exact words to each other, like this is this is

710
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: just between and you, you know, kind of thing kind

711
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 4: of like music off the record when you're talking to

712
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 4: a reporter, you know, it's like yes, So so I

713
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 4: think that I And perhaps it was because it was

714
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: so in the moment that Tamra was like oops, you know,

715
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: I guess now I truely and I should ask her

716
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 4: about this because I haven't talked to her about that,

717
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 4: but I wonder if she did, like after, you know,

718
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: on the drive home, kind of think yeah, maybe I

719
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 4: should have said that, you know, because you have to

720
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 4: go back in your whole ten years of a friendship

721
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 4: and go, wait, what did we say not to say?

722
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: And what did we say? Was okay to say? You

723
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: know so?

724
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 4: And maybe Tamer was thinking Shannon's drinking issue is so

725
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 4: public now you know, the whole world knows it and

726
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: sees it, so maybe it's not a bad thing to

727
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 4: talk about her dad now too, because it is out there.

728
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

729
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 4: I don't know, Carlos. I wouldn't have said it. I'm

730
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: telling you that I wouldn't. If I was in Tamer's

731
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 4: shoes and had known that information, I would not have

732
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 4: gone there.

733
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: So let's just that, get that clear.

734
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, listen, that's why if that not the thing,

735
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: that's why it's so hard with these shows because on

736
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: one hand, we want real friendships and we want broke conversations,

737
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: but when it happened, the other person breaks up the

738
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: fourth wall and says, I'll want that to be probably television,

739
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: which again I get it. Shannon's ninety six year old

740
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: five is not to defend himself. And look, I'm somebody

741
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: who has a dad, thankfully who's still alive, and I

742
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: don't want to expose his business to the world because

743
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: I decided to be a person on camera, not him.

744
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: So I totally get it. The response though, with so

745
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: Jen felt like, no, I believe Tamara did that have

746
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: with bad attention. I think she did it so that

747
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: the world and the girls can relate Shannon's alcohol.

748
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: Looked to her dance and see that it's a pattern

749
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: in the history there.

750
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: Said let me go get to the bottom of thisss

751
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: and went in and legitimately I believed her when she

752
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 4: was like going and she wasn't trying to stir the pot,

753
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 4: she would like camera. I don't remember how she worded it,

754
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: so paraphrasing, but like Tamra, what did you mean that?

755
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 4: What was that meant as a dig? And then when

756
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 4: Tamra says no, then aren't in a good place?

757
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: I don't think.

758
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it seems like they're always bickering on the show.

759
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: But then she goes to Jen, goes to Shannon and

760
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 4: then said, look, I asked her, it wasn't a dick.

761
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: She said, it wasn't a dick.

762
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: So I appreciated Jenn in that moment for actually being

763
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: the one trying to get to the bottom of it

764
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 4: and being objective for a moment instead of being biased.

765
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: You know, I agree, I agree, I agree, and look,

766
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: Shannon's like whatever.

767
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: I believe. What I believe is she left.

768
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Listen, I, like I said to you before, Shannon is

769
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 1: great television. I based on what I saw this episode two,

770
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: I am still going.

771
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: To say this. I think Shannon needs a break.

772
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: Because I'm over the walking away, I'm over not dealing

773
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: with things hit on and really having a conversation. She

774
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: doesn't like Tamra. And look, what I will say is

775
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: is Shannathan fence. I understand because Tamra was not nice

776
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: to her last season and the things that Tamarra said

777
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: to Shannon was not nice.

778
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: And I understand that. But you're either going to move

779
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: on or not.

780
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: And if your stance is and I do not want

781
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: to be friends with you, just stand on business, stay

782
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: on that shit and don't play this sort of like

783
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: dangling situation to where we're fine.

784
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: We're not fine. I'm ready, I'm not ready.

785
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: I think that's confusing for any friend to be like

786
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: where did we go from here? And I based on

787
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: this episode, I just don't think Shannon Tamara would ever

788
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: be friends again.

789
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 2: I think Tamara's trying.

790
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: I think Tamra other still, she did a lot of

791
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: dash shit to her last season.

792
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: But I also think Shannon is not.

793
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: Giving Tamara any sort of any sort of half to

794
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: have a reconciliation, to at least be friends, maybe not

795
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: best friends, but to at least be friends.

796
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 4: Well my take on that is to kind of top

797
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: with yourself, like go along with what you're saying, is

798
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: I think their friendship would never be more more than

799
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 4: a TV friendship at this point.

800
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: I think too much water is at the bridge.

801
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 4: I think that it would be a working relationship, which

802
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: is what needs to happen on these TV shows. Not

803
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 4: everyone can be best friends, not everyone can have a

804
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 4: true friendship aside from the show.

805
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: You have to have the TV friendships and you have

806
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: to have the real friendships.

807
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: So I think that that is what Shannon should try

808
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: to do, is at least have enough kumbaya.

809
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: They're not going to call each other and go off

810
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: for coffee. I mean, let's be real, They're not.

811
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 4: There's I mean, and you're talking about how bad Tamra

812
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: was to Shannon, but Shannon ghosted Tamra when Tamar got

813
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 4: kicked off the show, ghosted her after a ten year

814
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: of friendship, so you know, so I don't know, there's

815
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 4: a lot of there's a lot of things between both

816
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: of them that were wrong and that showed, you know,

817
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 4: and then Tamara never felt like Shannon Barah felt like

818
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 4: Tamar felt like Shannon never actually like reached out and

819
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 4: said how are you?

820
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: How is your life? It was always Tamar trying to

821
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: fix Shannon.

822
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 4: But along those lines when you said Shannon needs a pause,

823
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. Shannon keeps saying in her interviews confessionals

824
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: that she's never been happier.

825
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 3: But yet she's crying every single episode. She's never smiling anymore.

826
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: She's it was even last season. She's just she's not happy.

827
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: So I do feel like she needs a reset button,

828
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: like a little maybe a pause would have her start

829
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 4: getting into her own life, get a hobby, get find

830
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: something else that makes you excited about life again, you know.

831
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean maybe a pause would be good

832
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: for her.

833
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's my think.

834
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to Shannon, I think she's

835
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: had a lot of bad things happen to her right

836
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: and she will always give my grace for that.

837
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: I don't think.

838
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 4: Self induced I have to do Okay, no, no, no,

839
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: let's let's talk about let's talk about it.

840
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: Obviously, I was.

841
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: Going back to the first introduction of what she was

842
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: going through with a divorce.

843
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: Dat years ago. Okay, yeah, like like.

844
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: This the pattern here. Listen it. I may be the

845
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: minority in the situation, that's fine.

846
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: I don't think Shannon has ever healed from David.

847
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 9: I watched the show and looked when a man cheats

848
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 9: only you in that way and the embarrassedment that.

849
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: Followed, and you have.

850
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: Daughters, right, I think that I and you're still filming

851
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: a TV show.

852
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: I don't think Shannon ever had the time to heal

853
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: from David and everything.

854
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: Like you said that We're going to be honest here

855
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: that has been self induced is because of my opinion

856
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: she had she has. She has not allowed herself to

857
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: heal from what her David went through because she never

858
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: all that matters with and I think like most women,

859
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: like most women who deal with infidelity, I do believe

860
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: she thought David would change.

861
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't.

862
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 4: I didn't watch that season, but I heard about obviously

863
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: the news and stuff that I I mean, my heart

864
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: goes out to anyone who gets cheated on, for sure,

865
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 4: and any any marriage that dissolves, because regardless of his

866
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 4: fault it is, or if it's fifty to fifty of faults,

867
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 4: it's not easy and it stinks. So maybe you are

868
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: one hundred percent right that that is what catapulted all

869
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: of the tornado that is around Shannon. You know, like,

870
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: maybe that is yeah, yeah, so that's that's pretty insightful.

871
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: Well, you're not trying to be a like, say, you know,

872
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a long time. I'm talking

873
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: to me a little bit of sightful.

874
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: So hopefully that that gives reasons So listed I'm asking

875
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: for the plause because I think she.

876
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: Needs a year off to heal herself.

877
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: And I I just don't think she has done the

878
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: work because rightfully so, she hasn't had the time because

879
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: she's been filming ever since that whole situation happened. But nevertheless, nevertheless, listen,

880
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: oh see, is a Katie less season? My last question

881
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: for you, Alexi before ibably let you go to your busy, busy,

882
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: busy busy life.

883
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: My darling, are you missing Katie from the show?

884
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: I am.

885
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm in the minority or the majority,

886
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 4: but I you know, and I'm even a little bit

887
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 4: mad still about her lying about the whole audio and

888
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 4: memo thing. But see how I can get over things

889
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: because I'm forty eight years old and it's like, okay,

890
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 4: it's let's.

891
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: Move on everybody. But I am I. I don't see

892
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: a way that she can be around the women.

893
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 4: It seems like they have iced her out and they

894
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 4: don't trust her enough to have her even in a

895
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 4: realm of work, realm way.

896
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: But of the show.

897
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 4: But I loved her confessionals. I think she's funny. I

898
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 4: love her. Her husband, so I you know, I want

899
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 4: more of him on the show because I think he's

900
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 4: the crack up, you know, and he doesn't.

901
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: Produce her obviously, and he does it.

902
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 4: You know, he is a mate that's like, I'm your

903
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 4: companion and I'm here to defend you, but I'm not

904
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: gonna I'm not gonna.

905
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: Do your job for you or be your business partner.

906
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: So anyway, I just I miss her.

907
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: I do.

908
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: I hope that.

909
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought she's at least it's the reunion, right, Like,

910
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, do you have any intel on that, Carlos,

911
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 4: give us the intel.

912
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: Look at you after we have a good question. You know,

913
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 2: I love that.

914
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: You have friends in high places, honey, So you you

915
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 4: give us a little bit of goose. Like I said

916
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: last week, juseid gossip, give us a lib. I just

917
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 4: hope at the reunion and can speak a little bit

918
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 4: of her mind.

919
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: You know she's not perfect.

920
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 4: We know she has a slippery mouth when it and

921
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 4: and and you know, but I don't feel like she

922
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 4: has a heart like Gretchen has. I feel like Gretchen

923
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 4: came in and is telling why and just in destruction mode.

924
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 4: I feel like Katie simply has loose lips and doesn't

925
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: mean things to slip out when they do, and then

926
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: she back peddles. Well, I think they're totally two different intentions.

927
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Speaker 2: I agree, And look, I think I think I miss her.

928
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you why.

929
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: Number one, I do one thousand, one hundred percent believe

930
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: she'll be ole to you again.

931
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: One percent.

932
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so we get we get to see that for sure.

933
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: I drew you, Alexus. I miss her because at the

934
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: end of the day she added something that was interesting

935
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: to watch, brother than I thought she was a liar,

936
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: and listen, I do think she has lied. However, she's

937
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: not the first the only Housewatch we have lied about

938
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: some feet so so I have never ever ever asked

939
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: for the firing of Katie Janella.

940
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: I will say this, love her, hate her. She brought

941
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: something interesting to the show.

942
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: She it was, and that's why I said to me

943
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: to the audience, she this enigma. My opinion about her

944
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: remains the same. But I never was said give off

945
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: my show. It was more so like if you can't

946
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: handle they, he'd get off the kitchen. But I would

947
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: rather see her fight through getting her voice heard than

948
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: what i've seen now.

949
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: And I'll leave it at that.

950
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: I agree.

951
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 4: I hope she comes on that reunion if what you

952
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 4: say is true, I hope she comes on that reunion

953
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 4: and is strong, bold, has a voice and says her

954
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 4: peace to where the Bramos like, yeah, we kind of

955
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 4: eat her back, you know, And hopefully the other women can,

956
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 4: you know, have a little bit of a shift in heart,

957
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: maybe just a little just I don't know.

958
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: I don't think Heather de Row will ever im was

959
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: shifting heart with her. But we'll see. I mean, Heather

960
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: is pretty, Heather is pretty forgiving, so we'll see.

961
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope, So, I hope, So, I hope so. Well, look,

962
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: let's Melina. I can't think you enough for stepping into

963
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: reality for the King.

964
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: From the OC recap get almot her Dan, Girl and

965
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: I will see you next Friday.

966
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: Bye everybody, frie.

967
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 6: Bye boo.

968
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: Bye.

969
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,

970
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.

971
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Speaker 2: With the Lack Effect Network.

972
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Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at

973
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