1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace available now on neon Fox Nation. 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: You know what when you have two children missing and 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: you're more worried about curling your hair and putting on 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: neon pink lipstick and blue toneil polish than you are 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: about reassuring all the family members and relatives that those 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: children are okay, that's a problem. Now. Defense attorneys will 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: tell you that means absolutely nothing, but I disagree. Laurie 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: Valo showed up in court in style, defiant, smiling, laughing, 10 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: but never once revealing where are Jj and Tylie, her 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 1: missing children? I Nancy Grace, This is Crime Stories. Crime 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Did you see cult mom Laurie 13 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: Vallo in court? Because I sure did, and she was 14 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: dressed for the occasion. She just didn't come to court. 15 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: She came to court in style, with curls cascading down 16 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: her shoulders, bright hot pink lipstick on a face, full 17 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: of makeup, pink handcuffs, and blue polished toe nails. But 18 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: never once did she turn and look back at the 19 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: twenty plus actually nearly thirty family relatives and friends searching 20 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: for her. Children and say they're okay. I'm their mother. 21 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: I never hurt them, don't worry never. As a matter 22 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: of fact, she came into the courtroom smiling, joking, apparently 23 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: with her lawyers, leaving the courtroom defiant, shin up, shoulders squared. 24 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: Never a word about her missing children, JJ and Tyley. 25 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: But what now? The bond has been lowered from five 26 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: million to one million. That means somebody, I am her husband, 27 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: Chad day Bill, her fifth husband, could step up to 28 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: the polite knock home run putting up one hundred grant 29 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: to get her out of jail. And then what I'm 30 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime stories and first order of business. 31 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Take a listen to this. 32 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: As many in the town of Rexburg demanded to know 33 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: where our seven year old JJ and seventeen year old 34 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: Tyle Valo, who's charged with felony child abandonment, has revealed 35 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: nothing about the fate of her kids. Investigators confirmed Tyley 36 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: was last seen in Yellowstone National Park. There is no 37 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: evidence of Tyle Ryan leaving this park. The FBI is 38 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: now calling on everyone that visited here September eighth to 39 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: look through their photos for signs of the family. As 40 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: Valo's husband, Chad day Bell looked on. Her defense attorney complained, 41 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: Valo has been hounded by the masses. She cannot go 42 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: anywhere without cameras and people scrutinizing her every single move, 43 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: also speaking out JJ's grandparents, Kay and Larry Woodcock, whose 44 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: demand for a welfare check launched the search. Right now, 45 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: all we have one question, where are the kids? Where 46 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: are the kids? Where are the kids? Bring them home 47 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: and be always said at one million dollars if release, 48 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: Valo will have to wear an ankle bracelet. At no 49 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: point during this hearing did Valo or her attorney mentioned 50 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: where the kids are? You're hearing our friends at CBS 51 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: This Morning News. That was Jonathan Wigliotti. Wow, still no 52 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: worried about where the children are? This as bond has 53 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: been posted reduced by the judge from five meal to 54 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: one million? What does that mean? And where are the children? 55 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Are they dead or alive? Joining me an all star 56 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together again. 57 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: First of all, renowned defense lawyer, and you can take everything, 58 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: he says with a box of salt. Troy Slayton, my 59 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: friend from La Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD 60 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: twenty two years, homicide author Seattle's Forgotten serial killer Gary 61 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: Jane Grant Cloyd. I haven't forgotten him. Karen Start, New 62 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: York psychologists joining us from Manhattan. You can find her 63 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: at Karen Start dot com. That's with a C and 64 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: right now to you, Nate Eaton report with East Idaho 65 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: News dot com. Nate, I want to start with a 66 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: bombshell that I'm onto you right now. According to sources, 67 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: Lorie Vallo's brother, remember him, Nate Alex Cox has been linked. 68 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: Now follow me, stay with me, Nate. To the death 69 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: of Chad day Belle's wife. Remember her, Tammy. She's in 70 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: her forties training for a marathon and dies in her sleep. 71 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: Is it true? Nate Eaton that Lorie Tammy day Bell, 72 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: Lorie Vallo's current husband. Dead wife who was worth about 73 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty three thousand dollars life insurance to 74 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: Chad day Bell, said on her Facebook that somebody took 75 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: a shot at her while she was standing in her 76 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: driveway just before she passed away in her sleep. True. 77 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: Not true, Nate Eaton. That is true. That is the 78 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: police before that she called in. She said she got 79 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: home one night, Nancy, it was dark. It was October, 80 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: ten days before her death. Nate, Nate, Nate, Slow, guys, 81 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm just hearing in my ear from Jackie that we 82 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: are now being joined by special guest, Rich Robertson, private 83 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: investigator of our three investigations. Why it's he special, Not 84 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: that you're not, Nate Eating, You've very special to me. 85 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: But he was hired to work on the Laurie Valo case. 86 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right with you, Rich, thank you for 87 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: being with us. Nate Eaton, how can you be so calm? 88 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, somebody took a shot at her. What 89 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: don't think it through, Nate Eating. Remember Laurie and I 90 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: don't want to be inside baseball here. But remember Laurie 91 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: Valo's niece, Bedrow. Her husband says somebody took a shot 92 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: at him. Now, somebody's taken a shot at Tammy day Bell. 93 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: This is not normal, Nate. People don't just get shot 94 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: at in the driveway. No, No, it's not normal at all. 95 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: But back then, don't say I'm very upset. Go ahead, 96 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: back before all this broke. Tammy's getting home, She gets 97 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: out of her car. They live in the country. This 98 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: doesn't happen, and there's a masked man standing in her 99 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: driveway asked firing what she believed with a paintball gun. 100 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: So she yelled for Chad. He came running out and 101 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: the man took off. They filed the police report. The 102 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: police went out to the house. They did some investigating, 103 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: and they believed at the time that it was a 104 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: prankster who showed up in the driveway firing this gun, 105 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: and that it was a paintball gun. It wasn't until 106 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: ten days later when Tammy died in her sleep, as 107 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned, very they called it natural, but now they're 108 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: calling it suspicious that they thought there might be more too, 109 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: that gunman in the driveway. And then, of course, as 110 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned, why didn't they think it was a paint gun. 111 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: Why would it be a paint gun? Well, because based 112 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: on how they thought it was a paintball gun missfiring, 113 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: possibly because no bullets or anything actually came out. It 114 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: was like an air soft kind of noise. How do 115 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: we know no bullets came out because she didn't think 116 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: any bullets came out. Well, she didn't think she wasn't hit. 117 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: She told police she thought it was a paintball gun. 118 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: She actually told the guy, according to her Facebook post, 119 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: she said, what are you doing? Get out of here. 120 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: This isn't funny, This isn't a prank. It doesn't sound 121 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: like a prank to me, Nate. I'm going to circle 122 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: back to you on Alex Cox. But right now Rich 123 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: Robertson Private Investigator are three investigations there in Tempe. Rich Robertson, 124 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: great to talk to you. I've been reading about You've 125 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: been studying you and researching you. How did you first 126 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: get tangled up with cult mom Laurie day Bell. Well, 127 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: I didn't get tied up with her directly. I was 128 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: hired by Brandon Boudreau, who was this is so tangled 129 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: that we need a flow chart for this. Okay. Brandon 130 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: Boudreau is married to Laurie Valo's niece, or was Mary? Okay, correctly, Melanie, 131 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: that's correct and uh. And he himself was the target 132 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: of a drive by shooting, a drive by shooting that 133 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: he thought initially was a paintball gun. But he also 134 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: was outside of his house when somebody in a vehicle 135 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: took a shot at him, and in this case that 136 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: actually struck his car so well, was it a paintball? 137 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: He initially thought it was a paintball just from the 138 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: sound of it, but realized very quickly when it was 139 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: a bullet that hit the upper window. Framework, let me 140 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: understand something, Rich Robertson with me along with Nate Eaton 141 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: with East Idaho News dot Com. Rich pi ar three 142 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: investigations in Tempe. Rich, hold on, let me understand this 143 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: both that I guess you would say the nephew in law, 144 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreau and Timmy day Bell think it was a 145 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: paint gun, but it turned out with Boudreau it's not 146 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: a paint gun. The significance of this is this is 147 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: all tied in allegedly to Laurie Valo's brother who's now 148 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: dead too, Alex Cox. So Rich wasn't the assailant in 149 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: Bedrow's case driving Charles Valo's vehicle. Yes, That's how he 150 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: initially suspected that Alex Cocus it involved, because he recognized 151 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: the vehicle that this this shot came from, and it 152 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: was a gray, gray green kind of jeep wrangler with 153 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: a Texas license plate, and he recognized that as being 154 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: a vehicle that Charles Valow had You he'd actually bought. 155 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Those children, Tyli and 156 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: JJ that are missing are the only ones that really 157 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: know what happened to Charles Valo. Alex coxed the brother. 158 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo's brother killed the husband. Charles Valo and those 159 00:10:46,800 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: children are the only witnesses. They were home Crime Stories 160 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace everybody. For those of you just joining us, 161 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Grayson. I want to 162 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. We've been talking a 163 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: lot of inside baseball on the Lorie Valo okase. But 164 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: let's bring it all home. How in the hay did 165 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: we get right here right now? Take a listen to 166 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: our friend Gretchen Parson said kt V seven, Boise, Idaho. 167 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: All we say, while they found Laurie and Chad in 168 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: Kawai over the weekend, there's no evidence that her children 169 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: were ever there. Hawaii police served Lorie with a court 170 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: order that says she has five days to physically produce 171 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: the kids. Chad, where are Laurie's kids? Mate Eaton with 172 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: East Idaho News was in Kawaii this weekend. Right after 173 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: police served Lorie Vallo and Chad day Bell with two 174 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: search warrants, one for this Black Forward explored the couple 175 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: was driving around the island, and another for their Kawaie 176 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: town home, where the couple's been living. They've been missing 177 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: for four months. You have nothing to say. You're over 178 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: here in Hawaii. Please don't know how long the couple's 179 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: been in Hawaii. Lori and Chad staying mostly quiet before 180 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: ducking into the Kawaie Beach resort over the weekend. There's 181 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: people around the country praying for your children, praying for you, guys. 182 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: Why don't you give us answers. That's great, that's great. 183 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: That's great that they're praying for you and praying for 184 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: your kids. What okay? You were just hearing the voice 185 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: of Nate eating East Idaho News dot Com. Nate, that's 186 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: you running along beside her, going hey, hey, hey, hey, 187 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: where are your children? Here's the deal. She had an 188 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: opportunity in court in the last days to turn around 189 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: and tell all the family that were gathered there behind 190 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: the prosecution on I add the children are okay, She said, 191 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. There's two choices, Nate. Either they are tucked 192 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: away with that doomsday cult group she was sucked into, 193 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: or they're dead. Nate Eaton, bring us up today. What's 194 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: happening right now? Well, right now, Laurie is sitting in jail. 195 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: She has not posted that million dollars bail, but she 196 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: is hoping to be bailed out. The fear today, though, Nancy, 197 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: is that a lot of bill bondsmen don't want to 198 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: touch her. What the fear of? Who Who's I'm not 199 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: afraid at all that she won't get out of jail. 200 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm afraid she will get out of jail. Oh, exactly. 201 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: Most people in our community don't want to see her 202 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: walking free, especially with those two children being missing. So 203 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: she's sitting in jail. The bail bondsman they don't want 204 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: to take the risk of possibly putting up the rest 205 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: of her bail and getting her out of jail, so 206 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: she still sits locked up. They were hoping to get 207 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: her out, you know, days ago, and that hasn't happened. 208 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: And then, of course, the search for jj entirely continues 209 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: with no solid leads as of today. I mean, Rich, Robertson, 210 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: and PI are three investigations in Tampe. Rich, when the 211 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: FBI releases the last known photo of your children, you 212 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: got a problem. Think about it, Rich, She Laurie Valo 213 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: cult mom, and that murderer's brother of hers. You know, 214 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: he had an aggravated assault case conviction for tasing Joseph Ryan, 215 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: her third husband, right, aggravated assault conviction for tazing her 216 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: third husband, and then the fourth husband he shoots dead. Now, 217 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: I was looking at that scenario, Rich, and this is 218 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: what I've been able to glean. And you tell me 219 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. My mind is open. I want to 220 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: know more. That the dad Valo comes to the house 221 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: to get JJ I guess visitation. I can tell from 222 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: the body cam when the cops get there that the 223 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: house is already almost empty. There's not a lot of 224 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: stuff in the house. Tells me they're clearing out already. Also, 225 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: the dad gets out Valo to get j J. And 226 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: an altercation ensues with Valo, Lorie Valo's brother Alex, and 227 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: then the little girl Tylie runs and gets a bat 228 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: and gives it to Valo. That tells me that the 229 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: children were on Valoe's side, not the brother. Valo takes 230 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: the bat to Alex and Alex shoots him dead. At 231 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: least that's the story we're getting. What do you know 232 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: Rich Robertson, Well, I believe. I believe the story is 233 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: that that she brought it to Alex. Okay, that she 234 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: brought the bat to Alex, and that Charles took it 235 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: away from tried to she too, he took it away 236 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: from Tylie before she was able to give it to Alex, So, 237 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, and the stories was coming from Hili and 238 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: Alex only. So who knows what the truth is? And 239 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: as you pointed out, the only frankly, the only witness 240 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: to this holds the July situation. Who's left at the 241 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: moment is Lorie Value. You know, I'd be curious to 242 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: find out if she had ever taken those children up 243 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: to Yellowstone before the day that there they go missing. 244 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: Joining you right now, troyce Letton, renowned a criminal defense 245 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: attorney out of La Troy. What got into that judge 246 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: lowering that five meal bond to one million? The judge 247 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: was following the law. She's only been charged with two 248 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: felony counts of desertion. She hasn't been charged with a 249 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: capital crime. There's no evidence of a murder, and the 250 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: only purpose of bail is to ensure somebody's return to court. 251 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: So I think the judge had to do what the 252 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: law says, which is set reasonable bail. Okay, hold on 253 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: a million dollars is completely unreasonable given the charges Cloyd 254 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: Steiger with me thirty six years Seattle PD. I knew 255 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: that's what Troye. Slayton was going to say. I actually 256 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: laid a trap for him, Cloyd, because you and I 257 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: know that the prongs that are looked at by a 258 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: judge when setting bail or bond as I call it, 259 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: is will they commit another crime? I mean, this woman 260 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: has such a string of dead bodies behind her. She 261 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: needs to be in and solitary number two. Will they 262 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: come back for court dates? And here's the problem. She's 263 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: already absconded once Cloyd Steiger. She lied to cops allegedly 264 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: about where the children were. She allegedly enlisted somebody else 265 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: to lie to cops, Melanie Gibbons, and she disobeyed a 266 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: court order to show up in court. So why would 267 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: you give bond. It's not just about the dangerousness or 268 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: the likelihood of fleeing. She's already spit in the judge's 269 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: face by not showing up to court already, So why 270 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: would you lower bond? Well, I you know, again, I'm 271 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: not a lawyer, but I do see that the side 272 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: of that. She's only charged these two crimes, but there's 273 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: so much smoke, and like you said, she's absconded already. 274 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: She left the day after the police bade wild per 275 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: check and ended up in Hawaii, and then she ignored 276 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: a court order. What's the keeper from just absconding again. 277 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: I believe that's probably what would happen if they let 278 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: her go. Right now, Bill Bondsman's apparently not cooperating with Laurie, 279 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: as she says wants to be called miss day Bell. 280 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, listen to kat VB seven 281 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: reporter Misty Englet about what happened in court. The first 282 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: matter of business day is the judge asked Laurie whether 283 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: she wanted to go by Valo or day Bell, to 284 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: which she responded missus day Bell. Now, also in court today, 285 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: the judge lowered her bond from five million dollars down 286 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: to one million dollars. As part of that discussion, prosecution 287 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: mentioned the fact that both JJ and Highly received Social 288 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: Security benefits, and Laurie continued to receive those payments even 289 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: after the kids disappeared and she moved to Hawaii. During court, 290 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: Laurie was seen smiling a few times and seemed very 291 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: at ease through the whole process. After the hearing, her 292 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: older son Kobe Ryan said he doesn't really recognize his mom. Now. 293 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: She can't continue to hide. She cannot continue to hide 294 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: for fifth, the kids have rights too. The kids have 295 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: right climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking 296 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: about the so called cult mom, Laurie Valow. She is 297 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: called cult mom because she has within a few weeks 298 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: after her third excuse me fourth husband being shot dead, 299 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: she remarries to Chad day Bell. To Rich Robertson and 300 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: PI with our three investigations in Tempe, Rich, tell me 301 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: about the cult that Laurie Valo and new husband Chad 302 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: day Bell are part of. Well, we've been it called 303 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: his uh, this kind of broad term. The folks that 304 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: Chad day Bell seemed to be some kind of a 305 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: leader of a small group that included Lorie Valow and 306 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: her niece Melanie and a number of their friends and 307 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: a number of people in Retchburg. They seem to be 308 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: a subgroup of of a larger kind of fringe prepper 309 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: group and all of those folks. Okay, what right did 310 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: you just say? They're uh split off a fringe group. 311 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: So there, it's kind of like off Broadway, then there's 312 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: off off Broadway, then there's off off off Broadway. So 313 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: you're telling me this group they seem to be a 314 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: fringe They seem to be a fringe group of a 315 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: fringe group. Okay. And I've read the divorce papers that 316 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: were filed by now dead husband Charles Valo, and in 317 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: his divorce papers, he says to you, Nate Eden East 318 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: Idaho News dot Com, that Lorie Valo told him she's 319 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: already married, and what does she say, eternally sealed with 320 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: the ancient prophet Moroni, which is um part of the 321 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: Mormon religion, and that she has been chosen to lead 322 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: the chosen one hundred forty four thousand people that are 323 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: going to get to go to heaven. So you know, Jackie, 324 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that rules us out. I don't think 325 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: we're going to make it. If there's only one hundred 326 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: and forty four thousand people going to heaven since the 327 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: beginning of time, I don't think we're in there. Jack 328 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: Of course, I'll speak for myself that she's going to 329 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: lead them to the nie Jerusalem after the war, the 330 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: end war of the world, and if he Charles Valo, 331 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: gets in her way, she'll kill him. I guess he 332 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: did file for a divorce Nate Eton. Yeah, Well, Charles 333 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: was so worried that he went before the judge and said, 334 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: I want custody of the kids because my wife's talking 335 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: like this, that she is a goddess, that this is 336 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: her mission, that she is sent here to Earth to 337 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: usher in the second coming of Jesus Christ, and Nancy 338 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: the world will end on July twenty second of this year, 339 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: and so a lot of people wonder if she was 340 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: preparing for this second coming by doing something with her children, 341 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: by you know, maybe taking dramatic actions so that they 342 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: would be prepared for the second Coming. And I think 343 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: in the coming days, as court documents come out and 344 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: as we get ready for the next hearing, we'll be 345 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: learning more just about what she told others and what 346 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: investigators know as well. Karen Stark, my longtime colleague and friend, 347 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: something just hit me based on Nate Eton East Idaho 348 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: News dot Com said, Karen, you and I have covered 349 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: many many cases together. You're a shrink. I'm a former prosecutor, 350 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: and we've covered a lot of mothers that kill their children, 351 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: and many of them do so for misplaced religious beliefs 352 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: such as I don't want them to live in a 353 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: world of sin. So I'll just go ahead and bast 354 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: ahead and with rock right now, and let to get 355 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: them to go to heaven pure. And I'm talking about 356 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: Dana Lacy. Then you had aunt Andrea Yates who drowned 357 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: all her children to send them to a better place, 358 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: and on and on. We know Laurie Valo was so 359 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: deeply involved with this cult all along. I've secretly believed, 360 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: Karen Start, that there's a very good chance she's got 361 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: them tucked away alive, because she seems so unconcerned about 362 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: where they are or their safety. And I'm sure the 363 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: cops would have looked at their cell phone records to 364 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: see if she's calling someone and checking on them and 365 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: then trace that number. What do you make of what 366 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: you're hearing in those divorce papers, Karen Start, As it 367 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: relates to the safety of the children, but it sounds 368 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: like it's seriously judge Nancy the kinds of things that 369 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: we heard before. It sounds like religious conviction in something 370 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: that would ever makes sense to us that they begin 371 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: to see it's psychosis, but psychosis in this case perhaps 372 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: combined with some kind of strong belief that this is 373 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: what will definitely happen on July twenty second, and that 374 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: she is placed here to be a part of that. 375 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: What frightens me is if it has to do with 376 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: the people that are going and some of them are dead, 377 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: whatever this concoction is, then her children may not be alive. 378 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: And actually she would seem very smug and defiance because 379 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: she would believe that she is doing what's best for 380 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: her children. You know, I noticed in Coordinate Aton that 381 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: she seems very nonchalant, smiling. Have you seen the shots 382 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: of her in Missus, Texas, Because if you haven't, please 383 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: go to crime online dot com. Because I was done. 384 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: She looked awesome in her evening gown and her bikini. 385 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: She's gotten the body of a twenty five year old. 386 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: I guess she looked really beautiful. What I'm saying is 387 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: she strutted her stuff again in court when we're there 388 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: about her missing children, and it just seems so misplaced 389 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: to me. Nate Aton, Yeah, a lot of people said 390 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: when she walked in that she seemed to almost enjoy 391 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: the attention. She didn't look back at Chad, her husband 392 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: at all. She walked right past the grandparents of her 393 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: missing kid, little JJ. She sat down, she smiled, she 394 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: chatted with her attorney. I saw her several times rolling 395 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: her eyes when the charges were being read out. I 396 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: think the most startling thing people were were surprised by 397 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: was her bright red lipstick, which we believe was given 398 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: it her pink red Yeah, I guess it depends yet 399 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: together at you you see better colors than I do, Nancy, 400 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you that that. You know, she sat 401 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: down right away and it didn't seem to really have 402 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: a care in the world and just seemed to kind 403 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: of enjoy the attention, which was odd considering that, as 404 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about, these kids are still gone, 405 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: and her brother's dead, and her ex husband's dead, and 406 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: her current husband wife, her former wife is dead. Well, 407 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: you know what else is Troy Slayton defense lawyer out 408 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: of LA Troy Slayton. We heard her defense attorney whining that, oh, 409 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: she's so famous now, it's tortuous for her. But yeah, 410 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: when she came into court, she was, as my husband says, 411 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: all dolled up, every single movement. If she were to 412 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: be let out, it's going to be followed by the 413 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: pap rozzi, just like any Hollywood celebrity here in Los Angeles. 414 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: So there are men. Wait a minute, Troy. La is 415 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 1: a whole, whole different world. I don't think you can 416 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: compare anywhere else in the US to La. Hi, guys, 417 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace here, we have all worked so hard to 418 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: bring to you Don't Be a Victim, Fighting back against 419 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: America's crime Wave, a brand new book. 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At three 428 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: TV CBS five Arizona, Laurie Vallo's son Kolbe Ryan, saw 429 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: his mom for the first time in months as she 430 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: walked across the courtroom in handcuffs and orange and white stripes, 431 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: being her trying to walk eyes. She's trying to get 432 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: a connection Hill Bob. Knowing she didn't have the kids 433 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: from our priment. That was really hard to really. Laurie 434 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: smiled several times throughout her initial appearance in front of 435 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: a judge in Idaho. Her attorney argued for her bond 436 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: of five million dollars to be lowered for several reasons, 437 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: claiming that none of the charges against her include violence, 438 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: and she has ties to Idaho. A five million dollar 439 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: bond is unreasonable, it's astronomically excessive, and as the functional 440 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: equivalent of holding Laurie without bond. The state prosecutor fought back, 441 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: noting that Laurie left Idaho once she was contacted by 442 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: law enforcement about her kids. Jj N Tilly. This case 443 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: who started as a criminalcation honor, It started as report 444 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: two missing children who are still missing. Right now, Laurie 445 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: Vallo sits in a jailhouse because apparently at least two 446 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: bail bondsmen have refused to help her with her bond. 447 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: This is how it works in most jurisdictions. You have 448 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: to put down ten percent of the bond. So if 449 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: it's a million dollar bond, ten percent of that one 450 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 1: hundred grand, you've got to secure that with either cash 451 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: collateral such as a home that equals up the rest. 452 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: So in this case, it have to be nine hundred thousand. 453 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Rich Robertson, Private 454 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: investigator or three Investigations. You can find them at our 455 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: three Investigations dot com. Rich Robertson. So it's the end 456 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: of the world. And I'm not mocking their beliefs because 457 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: i don't like it when people mock my religion. I'm 458 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: a Methodist and i don't like it at all. So 459 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: I'm not mocking them. I don't believe it, but I'm 460 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:54,239 Speaker 1: not mocking them. Rich Robertson, what you're intimately familiar with 461 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: this case? What do you think happened to JJ entirely? 462 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: That's certainly the sixty four million dollar question. Um, it's 463 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: as as your psychologist was pointing out, that we're trying 464 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: to come up with rational explanations for irrational acts and 465 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: all for all we know they're hiding out in a 466 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: cave someplace for safety. Here safety from who waiting waiting 467 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: till the end of the world. But there's got to 468 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: be somebody taking care of them. If she's got they're 469 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: stowed away, Rich Rob somebody without a TV apparently, because 470 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: somebody who doesn't care what's on the TV. Rich. There's 471 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: only two possibilities. Either she and that brother of hers. 472 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: He's dead now, and I'd like to get the results 473 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: on that autopsy of his. Either she and her brother 474 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: took them out to Yellowstone and kill them, or they 475 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: rendezvoud with someone, and that someone has the children, and 476 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: that someone is most likely connected to their doomsday cult. 477 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: So I would think the cops are tracing every cell 478 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: phone finding out if they're using burner phones to find 479 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: out about the children. Chad day Bell turns around to 480 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: people and goes, they're okay, He said to reporters. I 481 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: believe it was the children are okay, are safe. So, 482 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it makes me think there's something nefarious going 483 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: on because she won't tell where they are well, or 484 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: that she's answering to a higher power than man's law. 485 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's who knows. We don't know what's 486 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: going on inside her head or or the others. I 487 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: mean that she hide out the kids while she's while 488 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: she waits in Hawaii for them. Yeah, I mean, if 489 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: they're in a cave and she's living it up getting 490 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: room service in Hawaii, you know that's quite the dichotomy. 491 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: But Troy Slayton, here's my concern. I mean, you look 492 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: at her. She seems like she's not worried about the 493 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: children at all. That would mean are they okay or 494 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: have they already gone to heaven? But Troy, how many 495 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: times have I said to you, specifically when you don't 496 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: know a horse, look at his or in this case, 497 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: her track record. You've got two dead husbands and I 498 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: still want answers on Joseph Ryan. That's husband number three, 499 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: who died of in a parent heart attack and got 500 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: cremated so fast everybody's head was spinning us Ryan, and 501 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: that would be Tyley's bio dad. Then you've got Valo, 502 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: Charles Valo. He's dead at the hands of her brother, 503 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: who also has an agg assault for chasing another husband. 504 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: So you got Tammy day Bill dead, Alex Cox dead, 505 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: Charles Valo dead, and Joseph Ryan dead. That's a track record, 506 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, That is a track record. I mean, court 507 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: all the time. When prosecutors like you, Nancy say to 508 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: the jury, well, where there's smoke, there's fire. I didn't 509 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: just say that. That's not what I said. I mean, Jackie, 510 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: did I say anything about smoking fire dead? I that's 511 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: a yes, no, no, no no. So, Nancy, just because 512 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: there may be suspicious for dead bodies and dead bodies, 513 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: she has not been accused of those cryings, and she 514 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: has not been charged with those crimes. And she is 515 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: not a suspect in those crimes. Oh, I don't know 516 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: about that. I don't know about that. So I know 517 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: they were worried. Authorities worried, and nothing they dug up. 518 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell, who died in her sleep. I just 519 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,479 Speaker 1: shot at her in the drive, has nothing to do 520 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with her, and also married 521 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: day Bell's husband two weeks later. You're putting too much 522 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: on Oh, she didn't look over at this person. She 523 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: didn't look back at her face. I'm looking at her 524 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: dead body. Ty if she's been investigated for a crime, 525 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: even being around a dead body at a murder saying, 526 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: have you ever been at a murder saying before the 527 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: body was removed, Troyce Layton, I have not, Well, let 528 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: me tell you something. It's something you never forget. And 529 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: we don't have one dead body. We have four dead bodies, 530 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: and we're never going to know what really happened to 531 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan because he got cremated like that. She is 532 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: doing what her attorneys are telling her to do, which 533 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,479 Speaker 1: is concentrate on the matter at hand. She can't look 534 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: back at people in the gallery and start talking to 535 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: them or give give signs of reassurance to her family. 536 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: No matter Sean her son, her son is there she 537 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: says or does, is going to be examined by the 538 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: court and could be used against her in a court 539 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: of loss. She's doing exactly what she needs to be doing. 540 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: Nate Eton East, Idaho news dot com. Did I ever 541 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: tell you about the time that my baby I've got 542 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: too They're both twelve, John David and Lucy. John David 543 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: was lost very briefly on a Disney cruise, and when 544 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: I saw him at a distance, I felt I ran. 545 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: I ran to him and got down on my knees 546 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: and grabbed him. Now, think about it, she had an 547 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: one of her oldest child in court, her son. She 548 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: sees him in court for the first time, and the 549 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: Lord only knows how long. And there was nothing, no 550 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: I love you, no WELLO a kiss, no attempted hug, nothing. Yeah, 551 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: And he came all the way up from Arizona to 552 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: Idaho in hopes of talking to his mother, and we 553 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: talked to him after the court. He said that I 554 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: just want to sit down. I want to talk to her. 555 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: He said. The very first thing he'll ask her is 556 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: where's my sister, where's my brother, where's JJ, where's Tyleie mom? 557 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 1: And as far as you know, that meeting did not happen, 558 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,919 Speaker 1: we do know that she is communicating with Chad. He's 559 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: allowed to video chat with her every day on the 560 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: video chat system. He can't meet with her face to face, 561 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: that he has been phoning in with her video chatting 562 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: with her, So we do know that that's happening instead 563 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: the Morgan County Jail, Morgan County, thank you. And she 564 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: can meet in person with clergy and lawyers, but video 565 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: chat with everybody else. You know that's being recorded, right, Oh, 566 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: everything's being monitored. You're right. And you would think that 567 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: law enforcement is closely paying attention to what they might 568 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: stay between the two of them, and they could possibly 569 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: use that as intelligence us been my privilege. They can't 570 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: do a thing with it. That just means it can't 571 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: come into court. That doesn't mean they can't eavesdrop. Okay, 572 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: here's the deal, guys. These two children who are defenseless 573 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: are either tucked away with some doomsday cult or they're dead. 574 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: Only one person knows the answer, and that's Laurie Valley, 575 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: former Miss Texas contestant. We wait as justice unfalls, and 576 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 1: we pray for their safety. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, 577 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,